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Title: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 01, 2012, 05:57:56 pm
Hi

Just had that e-mail that we all love to get except for my wallet :-) Model Slipway has just advised that my kit of the Vliestroom is ready to be sent :-) :-) :-) Now it's getting real. Hopefully my attention span can last long enough to give you a good build log of my progress.

My model is going to be bare bones, in that I'm not having any extras in the radio control side. Why? well money realy it's taken me a year to save up for this one!
Well I'm really looking forward to this one....
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: catengineman on February 01, 2012, 06:06:34 pm
Never say never,
Take your time on the build and you will want to add this and that (I do)
trouble is some of my ideas are as costly as the boat in its self.
Keep an eye out for the little bargain which can be modded to fit your build and increase the enjoyment many fold
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 01, 2012, 06:14:16 pm
Yeah you are probably right there.. We shall see as time goes on. I usally do take my time with builds no point in being rushed with something like this.
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 02, 2012, 11:09:31 am

You'll enjoy this build.  I regret selling mine. She's a great ship.

Any build questions will be welcomed.


ken

Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 02, 2012, 06:13:55 pm
Thanks Tug-Kenny

Your build was one of my inspirations for getting the kit! I must say that I am so happy with the service from Model slipway so far
they always go the extra mile for you, like providing extra blank  sheets of styrene encase you want to make extra parts!! and providing links to builds on websites. Amazing!! It's the complete opposite of another well known English kit manufacturer who I wont name
where the Hull arrived damaged, with parts missing, 80% of the white metal parts were misformed, The instructions were like deciphering the Hieroglyphics and they did not want to have a bar of it!

I'm looking forward to my Vliestroom... It should be posted soon so this time next week I should hopefully be reviewing the contents.
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 08, 2012, 06:10:50 am
My Vliestroom arrived today in quite a big sturdy box! I'll post photos soon after I get over the excitement!  :}
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 10, 2012, 06:00:07 pm
For those who might of thought.. Where the heck are the funnels or exhaust! Well I found them on this picture, they exit through the
stern bulwark. While not represented on the model this will be an easy addition to include. Photo from ship nostalgia.
(http://s8.postimage.org/uv90duxq9/Holland_2007_067.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/uv90duxq9/)

Sorry I still need to get to upload photos of the model, will get around to it I promise :-))
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on February 11, 2012, 12:50:30 am
Any build questions will be welcomed.

Hi Ken
if I remember correctly (and I have had some magic mead tonight) I don't think I ever figured out where the exhausts were on the Vliestroom?
I don't mean you forgot them, just that I couldn't see them? Or am I just mixed up?

Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 17, 2012, 10:38:32 pm

Hi Everyone

Sorry I have not been at my computer for a while. I have not done too much yet as I am waiting to get some supplies. I have started pottering around cleaning up some of the white metal parts. As you can see from the picture I have pinned up the plans for the ship,
My room has a real shpyard feel to it now :)

I noticed in the instuctions that they provide some styrene sidings to glue to the inside of the hull for the Bulwarks etc, Has anyone else used these? I've just noticed that most people seem to be just happy with sanding & filling the inside of the Bulwarks?


(http://s7.postimage.org/5zfwb60t3/image.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5zfwb60t3/)
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: colin on February 18, 2012, 07:55:56 am
I always glue a sheet of styrene on as a siding it saves a lot of filling and sanding, give a large bonding area to the grp and is a lot easier to fit deck strips bulwarks etc to.

Regards
Colin
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 18, 2012, 09:51:54 am
thanks for that advise Colin it makes good sense, I probably should make it as simple as possible for myself :)
I,ve been working on one of Buoys for a bit of practice. Will do my best to put up some photos soon.
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: grzegorz75 on February 18, 2012, 11:09:57 am
Heloo

All parts of the white metal is good to do from scratch, for example, with styrene. Will be better made​​, and work with them will give much satisfaction.

Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 18, 2012, 06:31:19 pm
Thanks for the advise. This is pretty much my first large scale ship so I probably will leave the white metal fittings for this one,
I know it's not the most perfect material to work with so maybe in the future I can do more on my own. [I do however love the work that you do on your models and have especially enjoyed the Aziz. You have a great eye for detail.]
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 24, 2012, 09:49:41 am
Found this helpful photo of the Bridge of the near sister ship Schuitengat
(http://s16.postimage.org/jq4sq5s41/824523.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jq4sq5s41/)
Even though it's not the Vliestroom I'll probably take elemants from this picture and use it for my model.

Photo from Shipspotting
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on February 24, 2012, 07:34:45 pm
Hi Mike
Just out of interest I spent a while looking for images of her bridge
and I came up blank. That quite surprised me - ho hum. {:-{
Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 24, 2012, 08:44:57 pm
It's takes a lot of digging on the net to get anything, Not too much on the Vliestromm out there apart from the model
I've got photos of the three ships in the class and there are minor details between them all. I gather that at some time
the Vliestroom underwent a bit of a refit. i.e. repaint [does anyone know what that yellow green paint colour is?] Also
it received some extra ventilation/fans at the stern, which also changed the orientation of the stern companionway.  so is a bit different.

At the moment I'm really collating research and tools before I really make a start.
Dave, I take it you have made the Vliestroom? is the build on this website?

Michael
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on February 24, 2012, 11:37:39 pm
No not made it  (but I like it) - I just thought I would try and find it for you.
I like digging about for info. Hence the name the flag, name the ship games.
I'm looking forward to following your build ...... links to the research too :-))

Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 25, 2012, 02:00:35 am
Dave, Anything you can find will be most welcome :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 25, 2012, 10:44:48 am
Found these links to be very helpful  - From Marine Traffic
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=244964000

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=244579000

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=244652000

From Shipspotting.com

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/search.php?search_title=Schuitengat
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on February 25, 2012, 12:37:12 pm
Hi Mike

I think you will like some of these  :o ........... well not that good but certainly  :-) :-) :-)
(my wife is in my ear now, she's trying to convince me to go out for a meal tonight with people I barely know  <:( ................. please shoot me in the head with a hilti gun)

http://www.debinnenvaart.nl/binnenvaarttaal/afbeeldingen/schepen/diverse_schepen/waterstaat-details02.html details
http://www.debinnenvaart.nl/binnenvaarttaal/afbeeldingen/schepen/diverse_schepen/waterstaat-interieur02.html#messroom interior
http://www.debinnenvaart.nl/binnenvaarttaal/afbeeldingen/schepen/diverse_schepen/overheid/schuitengat-harlingen-29-mei-2010-foto-eelke-klein-05799.jpg large format
http://www.debinnenvaart.nl/binnenvaarttaal/afbeeldingen/onderdelen/ankerspul/schuitengat-harlingen-29-mei-2010-foto-pieter-klein-0233.jpg large format anchor detail?
http://www.debinnenvaart.nl/binnenvaarttaal/afbeeldingen/schepen/diverse_schepen/overheid/details/schuitengat-harlingen-29-mei-2010-foto-pieter-klein-o.jpg
http://www.debinnenvaart.nl/binnenvaarttaal/afbeeldingen/schepen/diverse_schepen/overheid/details/schuitengat-harlingen-29-mei-2010-foto-pieter-klein-n.jpg large format Davit
http://www.haagsemodelbootclub.nl/vliestroom/ details
http://modelismenavalradioc.nouvellestar6.com/t2115-vliestroom-by-model-slipway worth a look in parts but not in English --- might find some links there?

Regards Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on February 25, 2012, 04:05:14 pm
Missed this one off http://www.haagsemodelbootclub.nl/vliestroom/vliestroom2.html
Also clicking Groot Formaat buttons gets you larger images for my previous posts images

Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on February 25, 2012, 04:09:26 pm
Jeepers  <*< - forgot this too http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/fr/showallphotos.aspx?imo=8802650#top_photo
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 25, 2012, 07:54:13 pm

(my wife is in my ear now, she's trying to convince me to go out for a meal tonight with people I barely know  <:( ................. please shoot me in the head with a hilti gun)

I really feel for you there.. Chin up and it will all be over :-))

Thanks very much for the links it is most helpful, :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) especially interior shots.. One thing I've noticed is that on the ship as built the exhaust
exited much lower in the hull. You would think that it would get a lot of backwash being so low- maybe one reason they diverted it higher later on. I'll post some photos show you can see what I mean :-))
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on February 25, 2012, 09:00:28 pm
Just noticed from the images that the ships both havea different crests

Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on February 25, 2012, 09:16:26 pm
I've Highlighted were the exhaust on the original ship is
(http://s17.postimage.org/87tuisey3/Showing_exaust.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/87tuisey3/)

And as now.


(http://s18.postimage.org/pzjplufg5/Exhaust_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/pzjplufg5/)

They are both port & Starboard as well
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on February 25, 2012, 09:55:20 pm
Thanks that had been puzzling me for a while.  :-))

Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Michael 1979 on March 02, 2012, 08:12:10 am
Does anyone know where I might get some 1:40 scale figures? I am planning in livening my model up a bit, But I know that this is not a standard scale.

Thanks
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on March 02, 2012, 11:51:54 am
http://www.ontracks.co.uk/index.php?page=catalogue&cat=540

1:43 scale is quite close Mike  :-)
24 unpainted seated passengers for 25
18 unpainted pedestrians for 21
16 unpainted assorted for 21
Not looked any further

Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on March 19, 2012, 10:08:21 am
Here is a couple of quick pictures that I took, I know they are a bit crappy but please bear with me, I was just excited that mayhem was back up and running again :-)
I've been doing the buoy's so I can give myself some practice first with styrene again.
(http://s12.postimage.org/d44oxr1p5/2012_0319_FEB20120304.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/d44oxr1p5/)

The two other buoy's.. been enjoyable so far to build. The sketch you can see there is a template that I used to cut out supports for the
navigation buoy.

(http://s7.postimage.org/7dl325ixj/2012_0319_FEB20120305.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7dl325ixj/)

I promise that my next photo's will be of better quality.

Regards
Michael
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on April 08, 2012, 10:18:00 am
I will be starting work on the hull soon, I am wondering before placing the plastic inserts for the inside of the Bulwark is it best to sand the fibreglass down otherwise I can imagine there will not be an even surface to glue to?

I've been working on the superstructure at the moment which has been quite enjoyable so far I have a few pictures to upload on my camera so there will be more photos to see soon.

Regards
Michael
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: dougal99 on April 08, 2012, 11:34:22 am
i assume you're talking about plastic sheet to give the inner bulwarks a smoothe surface. Yes I would sand the fibreglass down to get rid of high spots. Then score it gently with a knife and the also the plastic sheet to give a key for the glue.

Cheers

Doug
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on April 08, 2012, 10:11:16 pm
Hi Michael

I've just found you again post meltdown :-))
Keep up the good work.

Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on April 26, 2012, 08:22:26 am
Sorry for it being such a long time between posts, I've been quite sick lately so have not had the chance to be on here.
I've started assembling the superstructure which has been quite good, and my pin vice has been put to good use pre drilling all the holes for railings etc.

I found it a bit difficult to line up the wheelhouse windows which was probably something that I did wrong, with a quick message to Model slipway it was all sorted out.

I did position extra 6x3 rod to strengthen joints etc on the model. It has been a most rewarding project so far, with fewer problems than I anticipated as yet anyway :-)

(http://s7.postimage.org/6frx5zcbr/2012_0410_FEB20120415.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6frx5zcbr/)

(http://s13.postimage.org/5oz0e1w0z/2012_0410_FEB20120416.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5oz0e1w0z/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/795pyhj91/2012_0410_FEB20120417.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/795pyhj91/)

(http://s15.postimage.org/h0p3ie05j/2012_0410_FEB20120425.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/h0p3ie05j/)

(http://s15.postimage.org/5cv1nub0n/2012_0410_FEB20120426.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5cv1nub0n/)
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on April 27, 2012, 07:16:33 pm
Sorry to hear you were ill Michael - I hope you're all over it now.
It hasn't affected your build quality - it all looks good to me.
I'm looking forward to your detailing - I'll keep popping in anyway.

Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on April 27, 2012, 08:22:08 pm
Thank you Dave for your concern, it was nothing overly serious or life threatening :-)
thank you for the kind comments on my model, I've progressed a bit more now than the photo suggests
I've got to really get more photos on.
You maybe wondering why I have not started on the hull, well I'm still saving up to buy the Radio control gear as money is quite tight these days, so I do not want to do any work on it at the moment before getting all the gear.

One area I have not had much experience is in bending small dia brass wire. I'm fine for doing longer lengths, with my homemade
jig. (block of hardwood and nails :embarrassed:) It's the small stuff I have trouble with. i.e. Handles for the hatches.
Any suggestions? I've had a couple from Ken already. What do you guys think?

Regards
Michael
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: catengineman on April 27, 2012, 08:34:48 pm
Two pair of point nose pliers used as hand vise's
you will be able to use one as the angle former the other as the leverage to bend and to keep the rod as straight as possible except where you want it bent

Works for me   :-))
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on April 28, 2012, 09:27:27 am
I wonder if one grade of Brass is more suitable than another for rails?

Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on April 28, 2012, 12:07:38 pm
There's different grades of brass?? Having not worked with brass rod before I'm none the wiser. But the rod supplied with the kit seems quite tuff to bend. I do the small things like handles be bending a length slightly longer than is needed and then cutting to the required length.

Here are some more photos that I took today. This lot shows the wheelhouse windows lined up better.
I've been adding some detail parts like hatches etc. Stuff that can be added without making painting too difficult later. It's been a fun challenge so far, I've made my first hatch with brass handle. Not perfect but I like it anyway :-))
(http://s7.postimage.org/qf6iirko7/2012_0428april0038.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qf6iirko7/)

(http://s13.postimage.org/bv8rwzjb7/2012_0428april0039.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bv8rwzjb7/)

Unfortunately my macro function on my camera seems to have stopped working :(
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on April 28, 2012, 12:13:55 pm
Next week I'll be getting some filler to work in the gaps, I've also found that my pre drilled holes for the railing seem to be 1mm too low when compared with the stanchions, So I'll just fill it up with plastic and drill again. Unfortunately as you can see I've already glued on a section of the railing into the bridge side. I'm going to have to keep this as is along with the other side [so it looks even] and then fix up the other holes.

Until next time.
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Darren on May 01, 2012, 09:31:22 am
Still don't no if I should get this kit, could I ask u what this kit is like please and how is the plastic card to work with
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: irishcarguy on May 02, 2012, 08:50:21 am
Hi Darren, I am building the MS Tamar with plastic card & I find it a little difficult. However I am sure it is mostly a matter of learning to use it though ( first time for me ). You can of course copy the parts on to ply if you so wish, you would just have to be aware of any weight difference. I am sure that there are members on here that can advise you better than I can. Good luck with your purchase, if you do buy this kit you will not go wrong buying from Model Slipway, the service is the very best & you can also find wiring diagrams to suit on ACTions web site done by the man himself, Dave Milburn, & he is also very helpful. Mick B.
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on May 02, 2012, 09:14:45 am
Hi Darren

This is my first time building a kit like this [well I lie I had an aborted attempt with another kit from a well known English manufacturer. The kit arrived damaged and the white metal fittings were of very poor quality & none of the pre printed parts fitted together well.], before I got my kit I was wondering the same thing about how I would handle the plastic. But I do find the plastic card to be good to work with and very forgiving of any mistakes.
It pays to read the building steps very closely. [you do have to have a good visualisation of what it is going to look like]
A lot of the parts for the superstructure are CNC cut which makes life much easier. For the other parts as long as you have a good sharp Stanly knife and steady hand you can't go wrong. I follow the instructions by making a couple of runs with the knife and then from the other side 'push the part out'. [putting your fingures where the cut is.]

To be honest I'm finding working with brass harder, but it's nothing that can't be overcome.
The crew at Model Slipway are great and have given me a lot of great advise, I can't overstate how happy I am with the kit it's great.

If you get the kit I know you will not be dissapointed.

Regards
Mike

Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Darren on May 02, 2012, 10:21:33 am
Okay thanks guys there's a few of us in the club that may be buying one these
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on May 02, 2012, 07:27:46 pm
there's a few of us in the club

Yes pregnancy will give you strange cravings  {-)
Which club are you in Darren? Good is it?
I'll have to join one - trouble is there are lots to choose from.

Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Darren on May 03, 2012, 05:50:00 am
A club in Swindon no one has ever brought a slipway kit in the club so we are all a don't no
What we are getting in to with them as I have only ever built wood kits or scratch built my own I'm wait till one the other guys in the club gets him first his names Darren as well so I will see if there crap I won't get one lol I got my eyes on a bigger kit at moment
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on June 07, 2012, 06:51:13 am
Hi Everyone

I'm taking a small break from my modell for a couple of weeks, I have not done too much lately just preparing the hull and sanding lots of P38 filler  :-) I will try to put up some pictures soon.

Thanks to those that are following this build.

Regards
Michael
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: grzegorz75 on June 08, 2012, 06:34:44 pm
Hello .

    **********
DELETED by Moderator.

ken



Greetings from Polish Euro 2012  :-))
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on June 09, 2012, 02:20:55 am


My apologies if the the images are not 100% clear. I anyone has any suggestions on how I can make them clearer.
 
Let me know. I think maybe do them in better lighting?
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on June 09, 2012, 03:00:05 am
Hi Michael

I can see what you are doing ok. I have a cheapo camera and latey the focus has been hit and miss too  <:(
so I can guarantee you won't be getting any complaints from me :P

Dave {-)
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on June 09, 2012, 04:16:27 am
Thanks Dave,

You always have kind comments to make. I promise to everyone I will endeavour have the clearest photos I can.
 :-)

Michael

P.S oops just noticed my spelling on my post before was not the best, please excuse it, I forgot about spell check :)
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on June 09, 2012, 09:31:00 am
Nothing wrong with your Pictures , the build is good , it is nice to see someone posting a build on this site these days , O0

grzegorz75 get a life >>:-(


Peter
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on June 10, 2012, 06:29:53 am
Thanks Ken, Now that we have that out of the way lets get back onto the build :)
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: irishcarguy on June 10, 2012, 08:03:18 am
Your photos are fine Michael & I am following your build with interest. I like the ship you are modeling,it is a little different than most & now I know that there are ships specially for laying buoys, thank you. Mick B.
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on June 11, 2012, 09:12:40 pm
Hi Michael / Mick

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=35237.0

plenty of links on that thread that might help with detailing.

Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: grzegorz75 on June 13, 2012, 08:46:17 pm
I'm sorry Michael. 

 I did not want to offend anyone.

 I just wanted to insert Michael better quality pictures. I built this model, I know a lot about him and I would much advise. These models do not have much in the network, so it interests me more. I am a user of other polish sites in the network, and there we try to show a large and clear images, so that others can help you do better, etc. I'm just a guest here, and no member of the household, so I will not change the rules and habits. I should not write this post on 06.08.2012, and was misunderstood.

 Again, I apologize.

Yours sincerely Grzegorz75
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on June 23, 2012, 08:51:11 am
Hi Everyone.

I apologise that I have had no real updates lately. The Shipyard funds are a little low at the moment and I need to get some gear so I can start work in the Hull.

Regards
Michael
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on June 23, 2012, 10:17:04 am
Hey Michael - no need to apologise. You are doing us a favour by taking the trouble to post the build.
 {-) and you will never be slower than me - I move like a snail with a sore foot {-)

Dave
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: michael 1979 on October 21, 2012, 09:37:53 pm
Hi Everyone

I'm going to be back on board, no photos to how at the moment but there will be soon. Thanks for being patient with my "building holiday". Well I did get a couple of other projects out of the way so I was still busy in a way.

Michael
Title: Re: My Vliestroom Build
Post by: Norseman on May 05, 2013, 10:49:04 pm
Hi Michael

Did you ever get back around to your Vliestroom build by any chance?

Dave