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Title: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 10:51:57 AM
Due to popular demand ( well Dicky moaning at us in another thread entitled Model Boats or Not.  :embarrassed: ) I'm going to put here the current build I'm working on of the Sea Scout by Vintage Model Boats, alias IPEngineering. But first some background.

Many are familiar with the original Sea Scout, designed and produced as a kit way back in the 1950s by Les Rowell, along with some other famous boats.   It was as a child I yearned after one of these but never actually built one and having seen some excellent restorations of these earlier models on here and with Vintage Model Boats and the current Lesro Models getting together to produce a new laser cut version, I decided I just had to make one for the pure nostalgia.  My wife kindly bought the basic boat kit for me for Christmas from Vintage Model Boats and it's that that I'm working on now.

Now I didn't take a photo of the kit when it arrived so I'm posting a copy of the photo posted by BJ to show just what arrives in the post (Hope that's OK BJ ).......  :-))

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-20.jpg)


Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 11:00:48 AM
Now I've been modelling all my life, everything from boats to 00 gauge railways to my G Scale Garden Railway, see below, and that's involved a fair bit of scratch building and kit building but I'm very much the table top modeller, no workshop and basic tools so you'll have to forgive the lack of expertise and I hope the enthusiasm makes up for it.  In the process I have built railway kits by IPEngineering and used their parts in some of my scratch builds so I'm aware of how they do things and like the way you can ring and get help if and when needed, so I have no problem in recommending them on that score ... my garden railway below where it's nearly all built by me, especially rolling stock.  :embarrassed:

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/ealr74.jpg)

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/aealr5.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 11:08:39 AM
So, back to the Sea Scout....

The first thing I noticed was the quality of wood and laser cutting, all top notch ! .... There are no plans, though they are available for an extra charge but there's a well illustrated booklet and notes on the build, which will more than suffice for an experienced builder and although they do state this model is for those that have built before, with care a beginner with a bit of guidance should be able to attempt it, I would have thought.  There have been a couple of small points that need clarification and perhaps a little more attention to detail but I'll mention those as I get to them... In all though it's been going together well and I'm more than happy with it.

Now the basic kit has no running gear or fittings, but these are available should you wish to go down that route but I'm going to be detailing the boat somewhat differently and putting a bit more power in so I'm sourcing those parts myself. Below is what the boat would look like if you stuck exactly to their build though.

(http://www.vintagemodelboats.com/ppimages/pp183685f5.png)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 11:15:13 AM
Vintage Model Boats recommend Super Glue or 5 minute epoxy but I'm using Aliphatic Glue throughout and with a judicious use of clamps and pins it's gone together easily and very strongly.  The construction is done without a baseboard, which I've not found a problem, though I will mention later one place that extra care is needed but I overcame the problem and so far so good.... so.. now on with the build !  :D

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 11:31:43 AM
The first small problem I encountered was with the instructions, shown below, for the two free standing bulkheads assembled after the first two which are held in place by other parts of the brest hook and bow reinforcing parts.   Without a baseboard or any way of ascertaining what should be square to what and to stop these frames from moving and ending up in the wrong place. I temporarily slotted in the two cabin side pieces and transom while those frames glued to the keel, which made it far easier to locate everything., the boat then being as in the photo above and thankfully square  :-).

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-21.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Circlip on February 07, 2012, 12:17:15 PM
Strange, the original Aerokits had "Doublers" on either side of the keel between the formers so that the formers were held square. A bit offside that you don't get a copy of the plan with the "Kit"

   Regards   Ian.


 How does the bottom skin join onto the keel?
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 01:07:30 PM
Ian

There are indeed doublers but if I had followed the instructions, these wouldn't have been added till later in the build. I don't think with this boat that they would have sufficed to stop the formers being held in the right place but by temporarily popping the cabin sides on, it seems to have accurately held everything in place while they glued.

To an extent I agree about the lack of plans but they are available at an extra cost if desired and I have to say I'm managing without them so far.... At least splitting the cost of the kit the way they have, does give you options which if you're trying to save pennies, would help.
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 01:24:25 PM
The basic framework of the boat all goes together quite nicely. At this stage, although a stand comes with the kit, I made a somewhat stronger one using the parts given to get the shape right. I know these can get a fair bit of wear and tear so this stronger one will be my working one till I make a somewhat nicer job of a display version.

The doublers were installed but I modified mine as I intended putting a fairly chunky Graupner 600 Speed 8.4V, complete with water-cooling in and to this end I wanted a more substantial engine mounting system than the one provided. I also like everything in the way of motor assemblies to be easily removable in case of changes, breakdowns or the like, so what I've done is to build in a small bed with four bolts Araldited in situ, which have rubber shock absorbers on top and on this the motor will be installed, bolted onto a flat bed with a Graupner mount on top.  This way the motor is easily removable should I wish to change it and there is a degree of noise suppression with the rubber mounts helping stop vibrations.  It also allows for some adjustment of the motor position in order to get really smooth running, .... photos below.....

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-4.jpg)

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-11.jpg)

Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 01:34:08 PM
Another small potential problem I identified when fitting the chine strips is shown ringed below.  The transom is very curved, so when sanding the strips to get the correct profile for laying on the skins, a lot of material is sanded away on the top strip, leaving the strip adjacent to the transom very thin and in danger of breaking.   I noticed on looking carefully at the instruction photos that they had doubled up the chine strip in this area but made no mention of it in the instructions. In fact I only noticed it when I had made the modification myself, prior to fitting the skins.

A beginner may miss this and leave a potentially weak spot that may fail either when clamping the skins for gluing or later when using the boat. I've marked the spots below where I reinforced the strip during the build.

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-19.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 01:48:16 PM
In the well I'd also made slight changes to the way the floor goes in. I intend having it fully removable and it will also have seats etc. fitted. As well as that I want to put a door on the face of the cabin so as this will be slightly proud, I needed a strip in front of it so that it didn't stop the floor dropping into place. This will all be more obvious when I finally get the well furnished and planked.  At this stage I also built the removable section that goes over the steering servo

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-6.jpg)

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-8.jpg)

Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 01:58:59 PM
By now the basic hull framework was just about finished, I'd also installed a 9" propshaft with M4 threads either end from Riverside Models the specification of which was as follows :-

" These shafts all have stainless steel inner shafts complete with stainless steel nuts and thrust washers both ends. All shafts are threaded approximately 1/2 down both ends.
Outer tubes on all shafts are heavy duty brass tube 8mm (5/16) O.D. 6mm I.D. Bushes are 12mm long special leaded bronze type plain bearings, which incorporate approximately 3mm of thrust each end. "

The boat looked like this, about a week ago and then it was just a question of spending a couple of days sanding it all down to make sure that the skins lay nice and flat against the chine strips and bulkheads, as we all know a lot longer job than we expect but worth it when it comes to laying the skins on !  O0

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 02:05:22 PM
I also constructed the roof which went together nicely and took very little sanding and adjustment to get a really good fit.  I may well attach it to the boat with some sort of elastic, come running time, just in case winds get the better of it but I'll see later. I also intend modifying it later by adding a screen and mast of some sort but that's for the 'tarting up' phase of the build.  :-)

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-9.jpg)

Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 02:11:30 PM
One other nice aspect that's been thought about with the bulkheads is that presumably both to keep weight down and to provide access, holes have been made along the base and sides. This makes the installation of wiring and tubing for water cooling the engine a doddle and is a nice little addition to the tidiness of the boat , see below.

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-16.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 02:31:14 PM
A servo mount is provided and after drilling the rudder hole, the mount was fitted and tested with the rudder temporarily in place and it all seems to fit OK.  I've not as yet glued the rudder tube in but it takes a standard 'medium' ruder and I've worked out that using a 40mm standard prop I should just have enough room to get the water intake for the motor cooling in the right place, if I'm precise. It will be tight but should work !  %%


(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-17.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 02:50:17 PM
Fitting the skins was worrying me a tad but as I said I spent a lot of time in sanding and fairing the chines and bulkheads so that they would lay as well as possible. The instructions  from Vintage Model Boats said to soak the skins in water for an hour prior to fitting them so that's what I did.

I started with the bottom skins, each was soaked in the bath then placed on the boat and much time spent pinning and clamping to get them to lay perfectly, which they did very easily. I did one at a time and each was left to dry for a day and then when unpinned and unclamped I was delighted to see that they maintained their shape beautifully. It was then an easy matter to put aliphatic glue on the frame of the boat and re-clamp and re-pin the skin, without it attempting to escape this time !. No stress, no problems and after a half an hour it was glued fast.

Each skin is provided over size so it's then a simple matter of cutting the excess down and doing a final sand to shape.  The only aspect that may prove troublesome for a beginner might be at the bow where the top and bottom skins meet and change from being at right angles to one another to adjacent.   Again, the procedure is explained in the instructions and the fact that the ply skins take so well to being shaped by soaking means it's easy to take your time and get it dead right, prior to gluing.  Tip to beginners ..... only apply glue when you're one hundred percent sure that parts fit together !  ( Note to self... take notice of tip for beginners.  %% )

Anyway, having done that four times it starts to look like a boat rather than a skeleton !

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-18.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 03:07:01 PM
Next I started to lay what to me will be the sub decks. These are intended to be the final decks as far as the VMB company are concerned but I've bought myself various 0.6mm Mahogany and Sycamore veneers which I intend to use to lay as planking to make the boat look as nice as possible.

These 'sub' decks provided again are over sized and after making sure the chines and deck supports are sanded to take them I started gluing them in place, making sure I have a nice fit around the removable piece aft over the steering servo. All again went smoothly and that's where I'm up to so far .........      Although the basic structure is nearly there, I now have all the decorative woodwork, planking, painting and final engine and electrical systems to install, so it's all going to be a while yet, in fact I've hardly started this build log, lot's more to come though a bit slower as it will be in real time from here on in and I'm not that fast a worker...  :embarrassed:. .....  

To date though I'm really pleased with the way it's going and with the quality of the wood and laser cutting that's gone into preparing it.    Oh and if anyone has anybody has any bright ideas to help, chip in... I'm always happy to accept good advice  :D

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-14.jpg)

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-13.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Flash22 on February 07, 2012, 05:33:24 PM
looking good was thinking of getting one of these kits from lesro later in the year (holiday near christchurch in a few months) have you decided what colour scheme your going for ?? also what prop are you going to run or you having a play to see whats suits the boat ???

I wonder is if a brushless setup would go in this without over powering the hull
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 05:53:00 PM
looking good was thinking of getting one of these kits from lesro later in the year (holiday near christchurch in a few months) have you decided what colour scheme your going for ?? also what prop are you going to run or you having a play to see whats suits the boat ???
I wonder is if a brushless setup would go in this without over powering the hull

I'm still working out the colour scheme, I want it to reflect the period but perhaps with a bit of a twist (more on that to follow later).....   I've got a few props to try , with this set-up a standard two blade 40mm should do it but I have a few options to try when I get it on the water....

I've avoided brushless as I know absolutely nothing about brushless motors and battery/charger set-ups  %% .... perhaps less than that.  :embarrassed:  .. I think the motor I've got should give it a reasonable turn of speed but the way I'm building it, it's easy to change the motor if I do fancy giving it another try.  ok2
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Dannysfod on February 07, 2012, 07:57:29 PM
Hi mike, great building blog. I'm looking to purchase this kit in the next few weeks and I M a beginner to model boating but not to ip engineering. Like you, I have a garden railway and I have many of their kit built wagons and coaches!

Tis building blood has shown me thing to look out for as a beginner which is really useful.

Keep th tips coming and I'll let you know when I start my build!

Kind regards

Daniel
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 07, 2012, 08:40:29 PM
I'm looking to purchase this kit in the next few weeks  ....................... Keep the tips coming and I'll let you know when I start my build!

Kind regards  Daniel 

Daniel, Glad to hear someone else is having a go at it.  :-))  If you have any questions at all when you get going, just give me a shout, if I can help I'll be glad to and I'll be continuing this blog till it's in the water.... hopefully.  :}. 
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 10, 2012, 02:14:03 PM
I put the last pieces of the sub deck on and then decided to start with the woodwork.. I want the transom to be varnished with the name of the craft in gold lettering so I decided to apply the first of many veneers to the boat. Not having done these before I read up quite a bit of what others had done..... and then just sort of did it my way.  %%

I firstly cut the veneer roughly to shape using very sharp scissors. Then I put aliphatic glue onto the transom and spread it thinly with a piece of scrap wood, making sure there was enough all over and that it reached completely to the edge all round. ... I then placed the veneer on the transom ........  and it immediately curled up !  :((   So, I then placed the boat vertically on a very flat surface so that the transom and veneer were pressed together and popped a 6v lead battery in the boat to make sure that they were together very tightly ... and went and had a cup of tea  :D

An hour later with trepidation I had a look and was pleased to see that they had glued beautifully together but, before I started trimming the veneer to shape, I put two coats of Eze Kote onto the veneer with the hope that it would stop it splitting while I trimmed it and cut it to shape, the .06 veneers are lovely and light but delicate to work with ! I did this work with a brand new scalpel blade and I'm pleased to say that worked very well too, the Eze Kote had toughened up the veneer making it very easy to cut and sand it to the shape of the transom without a single split ......  First bit successful !  :D

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-22.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 12, 2012, 03:51:38 PM
Planking started using the same technique, using 0.6mm Mahogany and Sycamore veneers.  ... Could be a long job, caulking will be done when it's all finished............................  O0

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-23.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: MikeA on February 12, 2012, 09:29:48 PM
This has been a great read and i expect will continue to be a great build thread. The boat looks beutifully crafted and it doesnt matter if your a slow builder because it shows in the quality. I myself am a VERY impatient fast builder and have to confess my boats look like floating dog turds. I have to comment though on the propeller that i feel that a 40mm will be too large, i had a 42 on a direct drive 8.4 graupner speed 600 and it smoked. Of course the pitch will come into consideration and its possible that your motor may not struggle like mine did. In the end i settled for a 34mm prop powered by an 8.4v nimh battery.
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 13, 2012, 07:27:59 AM
This has been a great read and i expect will continue to be a great build thread. The boat looks beutifully crafted and it doesnt matter if your a slow builder because it shows in the quality. I myself am a VERY impatient fast builder and have to confess my boats look like floating dog turds. I have to comment though on the propeller that i feel that a 40mm will be too large, i had a 42 on a direct drive 8.4 graupner speed 600 and it smoked. Of course the pitch will come into consideration and its possible that your motor may not struggle like mine did. In the end i settled for a 34mm prop powered by an 8.4v nimh battery.

Thanks very much for that Mike and I'm very grateful for your thoughts on the propeller. I'm fairly ok when it comes to sticking bits of wood together but the whole technical stuff on the power train is a bit beyond me at times, especially as I've not built anything remotely fast before and most of my models have had sails!   

I bought a couple of different pitched props at this size to see how well they coped but after you've said that I may start of with something a little smaller. It will always be easy to increase the size if it's underpowered but I don't want to end up with the darn thing getting too hot !   I will also perhaps have to rethink the water cooling intake position a little, if only by a couple of mms so that if I do need to come down a size in propeller, the intake isn't out of the propwash....... All this technical stuff will do my head in.  :o  ... It's great to get other people's input though while I'm building it as it can be a bit difficult altering some things later on, so thanks ....  :-))
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: MikeA on February 13, 2012, 08:55:40 AM
if the propeller is well matched and your running sensible voltage (dont know what that is) then overheating may not be such a problem, the water scoop doesnt neceassarily need to be in the prop wash either just as long as its pointing forward into the oncoming water resistance, but that depends on the speed of the craft.  %%

what water pickup have you got?
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 13, 2012, 10:16:22 AM
if the propeller is well matched and your running sensible voltage (dont know what that is) then overheating may not be such a problem, the water scoop doesnt neceassarily need to be in the prop wash either just as long as its pointing forward into the oncoming water resistance, but that depends on the speed of the craft.  %%

what water pickup have you got? which hopefully

I've not actually bought the battery yet so that one is up for debate ...though I do have the engine I've mentioned.... The Graupner 600 8.4v which I'm hoping should give it a nice but not terminal speed  :D  At the moment I have this water intake and outlet set which I got from Cornwall Model Boats  (http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/5511772.jpg).... which I'm hoping should do the job but again it could be changed...  :-)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: MikeA on February 13, 2012, 10:40:15 AM
I used those water pickups they do the job well. I found though that their was a bit of plastic flashing in the scoop of the pickup which was blocking the intake. Right inside the square hole. So i used a drill bit to rebore and clean up the stem and a small file and stanley knife to clean up the square hole so as water can flow nicely as its a bit of a sharp 90 degree turn.

Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 13, 2012, 11:47:00 AM
I used those water pickups they do the job well. I found though that their was a bit of plastic flashing in the scoop of the pickup which was blocking the intake. Right inside the square hole. So i used a drill bit to rebore and clean up the stem and a small file and stanley knife to clean up the square hole so as water can flow nicely as its a bit of a sharp 90 degree turn.

Cheers ! That's just the sort of thing I need to know, I'll check all that before I fit it.   O0
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Norseman on February 13, 2012, 08:14:13 PM
Hi Mike

I can see you have put a lot of thought into your modifications
list, and she looks good so far - and I am sure will be great when
finished.

I was looking at the photos of the rudder post hole (in replies 8, 9, 13).
There doesn't seem to be much meat left on the ply? Would a little
reinforcement be needed? or is it really ok? Always hard to tell from photos.

Dave
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 13, 2012, 08:33:54 PM
I was looking at the photos of the rudder post hole (in replies 8, 9, 13). There doesn't seem to be much meat left on the ply? Would a little reinforcement be needed? or is it really ok? Always hard to tell from photos.
Dave

Hi Dave

Actually it's as per the makers spec and quite a bit stronger than it looks at the moment and once the rudder tube is epoxied into place it will toughen up even more.  However I do intend to reinforce the whole area before she goes on the water, but as the position of the inlet for the water cooling is going to be rather crucial, I'm going to get that in first and make sure I'm happy with its position before I do that particular job ... then I can make sure its going to take all the stresses and strains that are likely to arise .... I hope !  %%
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Norseman on February 13, 2012, 09:14:30 PM
Ok Mike - rudders get the odd hard knock and that's why I mentioned it.
Yes - it makes sense waiting to sort the placementof the water scoop first.

Dave
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 14, 2012, 03:03:00 PM
The decking goes on apace, quite a slow pace tbh but there's no hurry or so I keep telling myself  %%...  I've kept the mahogany on the deck to just the King Plank and on the stern, as I intend to fix a 3mm varnished Walnut top rubbing strake and toe rail which will be plenty of colour on the deck when the black caulking is in. Another day or two should see the Planking itself finished and then it will be on with the caulking.   :o

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-25.jpg)

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-24.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 17, 2012, 10:24:06 AM
Well, the deck planking was finished and now comes the nerve-racking part, the caulking !  The deck was given about five coats of Eze-Kote and allowed to dry and then I made up a mix of a fairly dark wood-filler and black acrylic paint and liberally applied it to the deck with an artist's palette knife.  The worst of the surplus was then scraped of with a silicone spatula (from the kitchen  :embarrassed:) and the lot left to dry ..

I am now going to check that it's dry and then sand everything back to the wood .......I'm going, and I may be some time   :((........

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-26.jpg)
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 17, 2012, 02:12:00 PM
Phew .. that was a job and a half !  :o   Still, it seems to have done the job, I've also popped a couple more coats of Eze-Kote on to the deck to  protect the surface and I'll soon be cutting it back with some very fine wet and dry before getting the first of many coats of Varnish on but first I want to get the top Walnut rubbing strakes on, so they blend well into the deck surface when being varnished......  One of the more stressful jobs over with though and a quick photo to show what it looks like....  :D

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s253/Artistmike/Sea-Scout-27.jpg)



Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on February 17, 2012, 03:46:01 PM
I have used that caulking technique once to good effect, similar thoughts entered my head omce the model was buttered up. One of our older members then suggested using a Stanley knife blade as a scraper to remove the mess, and 'by eck' it worked..The moral being, always listen to your elders, there's certainly a number of them in boat modelling circles! Very nice build of a classic design, keep up the good work :-))
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 17, 2012, 07:52:55 PM
I have used that caulking technique once to good effect, similar thoughts entered my head omce the model was buttered up. One of our older members then suggested using a Stanley knife blade as a scraper to remove the mess, and 'by eck' it worked..The moral being, always listen to your elders, there's certainly a number of them in boat modelling circles!

Yes, I used a blade to start with which did it good job of removing the worst of it but as these are thin veneers I thought I'd better be careful and wet wet-n-dry did the job nicely .  Anyway I'm glad that little job is over with , there are easier jobs.. !    O0
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Dannysfod on February 19, 2012, 04:38:09 PM
Hi mike,

Can I ask, what is the advantage of the water cooled motor you have? I was looking to purchase the motor supplied by vintage model boats as a new comer to the hobby but if there are advantages for your method, I would look at purchasing the motor you have.

Kind regards

Daniel
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 19, 2012, 06:04:06 PM
Hi mike, Can I ask, what is the advantage of the water cooled motor you have? I was looking to purchase the motor supplied by vintage model boats as a new comer to the hobby but if there are advantages for your method, I would look at purchasing the motor you have.
Kind regards Daniel

Well Daniel,  .... and at this stage this is all theory as I'm winging this as I go,  .... I've seen a couple of rebuilds of the early Sea Scout that used this sort of sized motor to give the boat a bit more .. oomph, ... so to speak,  %%  and the result of that is that a motor like this tends to get a tad hot, the water-cooling is there to assist that problem .

If this is your first build you might initially like to go down the route that Vintage Model Boats advise, to get it on the water with a tested system from them that definitely works and then perhaps, make some alterations later, should you wish....  Anyway, if I get mine on the water before you, I'll let you know how advisable the idea is.  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 20, 2012, 03:03:14 PM
I fitted walnut rubbing strakes instead of those supplied, as I wanted the varnished wood effect next to the sycamore. I've then used the wood supplied to make two spray rails along the chine joint which I've seen on the original versions. They should aid the boat and also act as additional rubbing strakes when needed.  Also added a couple of bits of walnut trim and just about to start in the well detailing that next as well as working out the best way to fix the walnut toe rails .... it's all go !  :D

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Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Norseman on February 20, 2012, 09:17:31 PM
Those spray rails give her a sort of rakish look - a nice addition.

Dave
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Dannysfod on February 21, 2012, 06:44:25 AM
It looks good that Mike, I like what you have done with the planking.
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 28, 2012, 10:35:47 AM
As I have a specific crew and use planned for the Sea Scout (more of that later  :embarrassed:)  the next job was to pop a bench seat and driver's seat in for the skipper and crew which was carefully sized and made to fit them, luckily the figures are roughly in the 1:12 typ of scale I'm building to. All of this being built onto the designed removable floor that came with the model.

Having raided the "bits box" , the folding back chair was made using some scrap wood, brass rod, aluminium tube and a steel washer. The bench seat carcase was made of some scrap timber too and then covered in veneered planking, as was the floor and faux engine hatch. The lid of the bench seat is removable as it's intended to hide some elctrickeries in there later.  :-))  Next job will be the cabin door and instrument/wheel panel which will all be fixed to the bulkhead

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Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: dodgy geezer on February 28, 2012, 12:41:38 PM
I note that there seems to be less of a gap between the planking in the cockpit, compared to on the deck?

I have never planked a deck with veneer strips, and wonder how you arrange the gap. Do you glue each plank down with spacers between? Are the planks beveled? or is it just done by eye?
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Norseman on February 28, 2012, 01:00:02 PM
the figures are roughly in the 1:12 typ of scale

Hi Mike

That looks nice ,and you have me hooked now wondering about the 'crew' (don't tell me yet though). I
like small boats to have figures

Thought I'd ask you about the figures though. Now I understand how if a real boat is 12m, then the 1:12
model is 1m and how to scale the figures ..... because you have a known dimension. I'm trying to work out
figure sizes for my old 1950s Hales Spraymaster runaround and I don't know what scale she is supposed
to be. 24" long, 8 1/4" beam, 2 1/2" freeboard. If you have any idea a pm will do rather than mess your
thread up

............ and I'm interested in what DG just asked O0

Dave
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on February 28, 2012, 01:37:40 PM
I've done the decks with a more "decorative" caulking effect that was done using a thin plasticard spacer to judge the distance between each plank, whereas the well planking is virtually a butt join, it seems to give about the right sort of look that I'm after.  Planking with veneers seems to work well but there is just the tendency of the veneers to curl when they are wet with glue that you have to overcome, so have plenty of clamps to hand. The Aliphatic does grip quite well though so it doesn't take long to set in place and then the plank has a good waterproof base.

Dave as far as scale is concerned with the Sparymaster, I've no idea as to what the exact scale is and therefore unless anyone else has the info, you're going to have to just go with what looks right but I would have thought that the scale has got to be about similar to the Sea Scout and therefore a figure of between five and six inches would look about right or the same scale as most standard doll's house kit.  If you know anyone with a doll's house you could 'borrow' a figure to try it in the boat  :}

Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on March 05, 2012, 09:05:04 AM
I wanted to put a small instrument dial on top of the wheel/console unit I'm building so a quick scour around with Googly images produced a few suitable ones and after a quick photoshop montage modification job I came up with this ..... the build of the console is under way........

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Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on March 06, 2012, 11:21:21 AM
Whilst building the steering console, I decided that it would double as a place to have the main on/off switch for the electrical systems. On the basis of "If anything can happen, it will " I like to have that switch easily to hand in case of problems..    %% The size of all these parts being scaled to fit the skipper when he's installed later.

Also following my general principle that anything mechanical or electrical should be easily accessible for maintenance or replacement purposes, I made the unit a stand alone one that just bolts to the main bulkhead and I've drilled a hole in that for the electrics to the switch to pass through. ... The skipper's strategically placed duster on a hook hides the switch when operational  :D  Cabin Door also knocked up out of mahogany veneer with a walnut stripwood surround and brass bits out of the bits and pieces box for a handle.   All woodwork, as I go along, is being given a protective coat of Eze-Kote ready for varnishing later.


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Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: wavedancer on March 11, 2012, 11:10:32 AM
I have been reading this with some intrest as i too am building the sea scout , and one comment that has been made and I do, agree upon is the fixing  for the motor which to  my mind spoils a well thought out construction of the said boat.........That said I will adapt a different engine mount and run the sea scout on a 545 motor.....pictures to follow at a later date
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on March 13, 2012, 06:48:01 AM
I have been reading this with some intrest as i too am building the sea scout , and one comment that has been made and I do, agree upon is the fixing  for the motor which to  my mind spoils a well thought out construction of the said boat.........That said I will adapt a different engine mount and run the sea scout on a 545 motor.....pictures to follow at a later date

It's great to see another version is on it's way and I'm looking forward to reading your thread and seeing photos of your build.  :-))

One thing I may have not made clear, it appears, is that the current engine mount and bed is a temporary one that is there to allow me to make the multiple adjustments to the power train that I'm sure will be necessary.  Not having the faintest idea how this engine will work in this boat with the current prop, batteries, cooling, coupling etc. that I've chosen, I've made the whole thing totally removable and adjustable so that when the boat is finished and ready for the water, I can run tests.  ..... At that stage it will be a simple matter to make change anything as the motor comes out very easily for disassembling the total drive system.

When I've tested everything then and only then, when I'm sure everything works, will I build and install the final engine mount.... which though it will still be easily removable, will be of a more solid and aesthetically pleasing construction..  :D
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on March 19, 2012, 01:41:32 PM
Well, while the forum was down I actually got a bit more done to the boat ! ...  :D

I've mainly been concentrating on the bits of detail as you can see. The brass flagstaff holder and flag I purchased but knocked up the staff itself from some walnut I had knocking around as was the screen base and post. I made the screen itself from 1mm acrylic and the white surround to it is some 1mm Plastruct U section. The wooden upright of the screen has a brass rod hidden in it's construction that goes right through the roof to keep it strong and rigid. Fairleads are commercial brass ones and the Sampson Posts again made from wood and bits of brass I had knocking about.  I made new handrails as they needed to be shorter and as I wanted them in varnished wood I thought they would look nicer in Mahogany than the ply ones supplied.

I'm just about at the stage now where I need to throw some paint on it !  :D

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Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on April 01, 2012, 10:42:58 AM
I haven't posted here for a while as I've been busy putting on many coats of paint on the boat and I'm not yet even half way there! Still it's starting to look a bit better so a quick photo to show the process.

It's quite difficult at the moment to show the correct colours in a quick photo but the hull is actually a nice antique white/ cream colour that I produced from mixing two Eze-Kote colours, the White and Creme De La Creme, which has produced just the typical fifties/sixties look I was after, these coats were all hand painted on. The cabin Sky Blue is also Eze-Kote rather typical of the boats I see here every day on the quay.    Next job will be to paint inside the well and get the red underwater colour painted on, probably by Spay Eze Kote this time.   All gloss surfaces will be then sprayed with a Clear coat to finish it off but in the meantime, back to the red......

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Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on April 24, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
Finally there's been a nice enough day to get outside and give the bottom of the boat a spray ! ... I took advantage of it even though it was a little cooler than I wanted but it's unlikely that we are going to get decent temperatures this side of midsummer's day !   Paint is Eze-Kote enamel again and seems to have gone on very well, two coats so far and I may leave it at that with just a few coats of Clear on afterwards, as it's covered extremely well.....

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Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on April 29, 2012, 03:29:55 PM
Latest job on the boat has been to put the name on the Stern that BarrieW had very kindly cut for me in gold vinyl and made a brilliant job of ! Thanks Barrie, you're a star  :-))   I've also put some  gold strip at the anti-foul junction and one higher on just to liven up the boat.

The Skipper and crew as you can see have been aboard to check progress   :D  and next I have the final varnishing and painting to do as well as fitting windows and then all the electronics, propshaft, rudder etc., which have been trial fitted but now need to be made permanent....

I have plans for a few extras to the boat for W&G including some sound if I can work out how to do it but I shall make sure the darn thing works OK before I get to that stage  {:-{.... I'm hoping this is all going to be done before my grandson comes over from Japan,  the boat is being built for him to hopefully sail at my club with his grandpa.  :-)


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Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Norseman on April 29, 2012, 09:32:55 PM
Hi Mike

Just found you again post meltdown - my you have cracked on.
Very nice it is too - love the crew.

Dave
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: bj on May 05, 2012, 10:44:28 AM
Ivan has made himself a fabulous flat pack high level  boat stand.  Shame I did not take a picture of it last week when I saw it.
Wonder if he will add that to his web site for the kits? He also had about five new kits with him ready to add to his web site. He has also made himself a neat little boat on the same "Lesro" lines that he calls Mr Tom.
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on May 24, 2012, 11:09:22 AM
Having now managed to get many coats of varnish on the hull, without too much in the way of fluff and debris, the boat has now gone through a quick trial in the domestic testing facility with some positive results :-

As you can see it all fits in quite nicely with room left for some additional electronics planned later, I'm only using a short 2200 mAh battery pack at 9.6v as the size is perfect across the hull. For prolonged running I shall just buy another of the same to swap over when it runs down. Trials at the club will determine just how long it actually runs for in practice..... The Speed Controller is an Action P80, which seems to be perfect for the job, again, trials will determine exactly how well it performs but tank tests look good.  :-))

The Receiver has been tucked away safely under Gromit's seat, which has a removable top and is well away from other electrics and water and the Receiver Battery is hidden under the Well Deck in a waterproof container as it's down near the bottom of the boat.

Just a few more bits of detailing before the lake trial, I've ordered some cream cotton fenders for a bit of safety and I already have cleats to affix when I work out where they need to go to put the bow fender etc. in the best position.

Not long now then before the official sinking launch!  %%

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Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Nordlys on January 07, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
Hello Mike,
I have read all through your build post on the Sea Scout and what a pleasureable read
it has been - Have you finished now? I note there are no entries after May 2012.
I have two Sea Scouts from the original kit issue. One is complete and running the other
will be one of my refurb tasks when the spring arrives.
I have installed a Graupner 600 7.2volt motor as this revs somewhat higher than the 8.4v version. However I note you are running on 9.6v!
Recently took on board large amounts of water in a reversing movement in error! But all electrics seem to have survived!
Nordlys...
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on January 07, 2013, 06:27:34 PM
Have you finished now? I note there are no entries after May 2012.
Nordlys...

Yes Nordlys, the Cruise-O Matic is now finished and up and running, regularly !  %%   ... In fact to end the build log I'm just waiting for my nephew to come out with me, with his video camera, in order to get a decent video of it on our club lake to put on here, which hopefully will now be quite soon if only this rain would stop..  >:-o

It really is a great little craft, loads of fun and yes, on 9.6v it's what one might call ... a little frisky ! .... In fact the powers that be in our club have relegated me to the half hour on Sunday's on the lake when fast boats only are allowed on the water, so as not to put the others in jeopardy !  :embarrassed: Which can't be bad for what is basically an old design in wood and a small one to boot. .. Wallace would be proud !  :D

Two Sea Scouts from the original kit issue ! .. Wow lucky chap !  :o Do do a log on here when you do the new refurb, I'd love to see that and have you any photos of them at the moment ?? .. Les Rowell  designed some great boats and the more on the water the merrier as far as I'm concerned, especially the originals. Back in those days I was a young chap who couldn't afford what I thought were the greatest kits going, I'm only pleased eventually to have done this one and am hoping to do another this year ... I've done a lot of scratch building over the years since then but these have a real place in my heart.

Great to hear from another Sea Scout owner !  ok2
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Nordlys on January 07, 2013, 07:41:58 PM
Mike,
Here are two photo's of my Sea Scout in the colours of Frankel
the racehorse (upholstery)
I gave the boat to my son who sails her on Tobacco Dock and Spirit Quay
in Londons Docklands.
She is back with me now for an overhaul following the water intake episode.
It too moved very fast and would need some room! Your club were right to be cautious with you!
Resized these photo's for this site so hope it works ok.
Sorry, can't get the pictures to upload. Used to work ?
 
 
 
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Nordlys on January 07, 2013, 08:14:13 PM
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Mike,
I think this might have worked.
Nordlys.
Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Artistmike on January 07, 2013, 09:46:31 PM
That's looking really great nordlys, like the colour scheme ! .. You've gone for the same sort of cream, two tone look that I thought was of the period and tried to achieve. I think your son has more room in docklands than at my club lake, I tend to run out of room pretty quickly and full reverse gets a fair bit of use on mine too to stop it at the other end..  :D . Another quick photo of mine ..

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Title: Re: Build of Vintage Model Boats version of the Sea Scout ....
Post by: Nordlys on January 07, 2013, 10:50:01 PM
Hello Mike,
Yes, they are very much the colours of that time - 60's, very nice. I have my battery below the steering wheel compartment, being just 7.2v its that bit shorter than an 8.4v and fits very neatly across the boat - midships.
I rather like the idea of a gold stripe too - its very suited to the colours you have chosen.
You have given me many ideas for when I begin work on my 2nd boat.
Thank you! Its a model to be very pleased with.
N.....