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Title: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on May 08, 2012, 12:13:17 pm
I just ordered the Graupner Titanic it will be here in 3-4 days, and I will upload plenty of pictures when it arrives  8)
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Neil on May 08, 2012, 12:40:45 pm
you lucky man..........they are quite astounding value,......and look lovely too.
hope you video her on the lake, sailing.
wonder what it would take for graupner to bring out the Britannic in Hospital ship colours with those magnificently ugly boat davits.......now that would be something.
neil.
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 08, 2012, 05:40:31 pm
 ok2
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Neil on May 08, 2012, 06:52:33 pm
Have you bought one Martin........you lucky chap...........there's one in my local shop, and I look longingly at it every time I go there..............it really is a lovely model, and for the price....a steel.
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: 6705russell on May 08, 2012, 07:13:07 pm
I have heard the deck timber isn't "sealed" as such, possibility of warping perhaps if it go moisture in?  Don't know how true......


Russ
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Shipmate60 on May 08, 2012, 07:23:51 pm
It seems all the Graupner RTR are the same.
It pays to use a couple of coats of matt varnish on ALL the decking.

Bob
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on May 08, 2012, 07:37:52 pm
Wow Martin!! She looks nice  :o Do you own one?

I can bearly wait till it gets here! Anyone have more info about the deck timber? I really don't want it to warp and get bad looking..

Edit; i notice my posts have been reset, is it from the forum crash earlier?
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Shipmate60 on May 08, 2012, 07:40:37 pm
I have the Prinz Eugen, worked on a Scharnhorst and seen a few on display that have absorbed ambient moisture.
A small drop of water can cause a blister in the wood, it is that delicate.

Bob
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Liverbudgie on May 08, 2012, 07:44:29 pm
Hope it has "Liverpool" spelt correctly - unlike the example at the Dortmund show.

LB
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on May 11, 2012, 11:34:05 am
Model arrived today with some minor damage after transport, I think it's easily fixable tho. will get pictures up in a couple of hours  :-))
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on May 11, 2012, 03:59:39 pm
Here are some pictures, I'm having a hard time getting the picture to show the boat how beautiful it actually is (My camera skills aren't that good).

The damage are 2 broken cranes, some bent railing, the 2 front life boats and something in the rear mast. It also has "Liverpool" spelt correctly!  :}

(http://i46.tinypic.com/qx8e3d.jpg)
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(http://i48.tinypic.com/295czrm.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/e6y9ue.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/j7gj2f.jpg)
(http://i49.tinypic.com/28993it.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/99oprm.jpg)
(http://i49.tinypic.com/34ra8hk.jpg)
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Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: hama on May 11, 2012, 04:20:53 pm
Hey, she looks great! Congratulations, I bet she will look as magnificant on the water as she does on your pictures.
All the best!
Hama
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on May 11, 2012, 04:34:34 pm
Thank you! I can't wait to try her on the water  :-)
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: mark w on May 11, 2012, 04:42:48 pm

Very nice  :-)). Any chance for some interior pictures?

Mark
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on May 11, 2012, 05:29:58 pm
Ill snap some pics of the interior when i get home on sunday!  :-))
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: alan.gamblin on May 14, 2012, 11:05:44 am
Hello there,
Hate to be a kill-joy but apart from the damage you mentioned I notice also that the foremast appears to be warped.
That aside it has a very nice finish and I like the decking. Having built the Modelcraft 1/350 kit some years back I was curious about what scale it is, on the bed it looks about 4-5 ft in length. Is it adaptable for r/c ?

kind regards
Alan
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Neil on May 14, 2012, 11:21:50 am
a slight re tensioning of the ratlines and rigging will straighten the mast for you..........a bit of overexuberance when tieing off I reckon.

the model looks to be the 1:150 scale and a beauty too.
neil.
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on May 14, 2012, 06:53:36 pm
Thanks for all the nice comments!  :-)

@alan.gamblin

Hey, I just checked and the mast looks straight. It must have been the angle the picture is taken from that make it looks weird/warped. The model is 1:150 and is 1760 mm long!
The model came with servo for the rudder and 3 engines and shafts/props. I have a 2,4 ghz reciever and transmitter so all i need to get her running are batteries and speed controllers (I got no clue how wire everything up with 3 engines  %% )

@Neil

Thanks! :)

Here are some picture from inside the hull:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/1zcedzs.jpg)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/ta1oih.jpg)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2zqfynn.jpg)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2i6cvf7.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/fnmgz.jpg)
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Bob K on May 14, 2012, 08:10:53 pm

(I got no clue how wire everything up with 3 engines  %% )

@Neil


That is a really beautiful ship, and as they say almost ready to run !   Having the shafts and motors installed saves so much hassle.

With a very small rudder and three shafts you are going to need a speed controller for each shaft and a mixer to control them all from one stick.
I would recommend the ACTion Electronics P94 (twin ESC controllers + mixer) plus a single ACTion controller for the centre shaft.
see http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/P94.pdf (http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/P94.pdf) for detail description and how to wire it up.

The integral mixer gradually slows the inside prop as the rudder turns, until at full helm the inside prop stops.  Allows for great maneuverability.

Some nice big sealed lead acid batteries to complete the fit.  You could need several just to ballast her down to the waterline.
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 14, 2012, 10:36:07 pm
Have you ordered the scale iceberg too?  %)
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on May 14, 2012, 11:39:19 pm
@Bob K

Thank's for that information! I't will help me a lot when im going to order the parts  :-)) Fixing all the RC stuff on a single prop vessel was easy, but this looks very difficult to do...

@Martin

Hehe, I don't know if thats possible? The plan was to keep her afloat on the maiden voyage  though {-)
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: mark w on May 15, 2012, 07:13:13 am

ATB,

Thanks for the interior shots. looks like great access. Do you have to add any additional weight besides the battery/batteries? Any idea what the ready to run weight is?

Mark
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: livesteam on May 15, 2012, 07:59:37 am
Hi
She realy looks good! I have to admit, that I had my doubt according the colour scheme when I saw the pictures on Graupner website. But on your pics she looks very accurate to me  :-)) Maybe the antifouling is slightly too red, I guess it should be a bit mor brownish (only to have someting to complain about...).
Enjoy!
Kaspar
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Neil on May 15, 2012, 08:34:36 am
why do some people ALWAYS  have something to complain about??? {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: essex2visuvesi on May 15, 2012, 08:45:17 am
I'm jealous
I asked the wife for one for my upcoming 40th and she said no  <:(
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: livesteam on May 15, 2012, 12:31:44 pm
why do some people ALWAYS  have something to complain about??? {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{

That was ment as a winking sideblow to all the Titanic rivet counters who discuss about white star buff and whatsoever  ad infinitum...
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on May 15, 2012, 09:53:12 pm
In the manual ballast is not mentioned at all, but I don't think the model is heavy enough to sail without.
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: livesteam on May 16, 2012, 07:11:47 am
In the manual ballast is not mentioned at all, but I don't think the model is heavy enough to sail without.

I agree. According to Graupner website the weight is 7,2kg but I guess, this is not sailing weight (?)

To calculate a models displacement one can use the following formula:
[scale³] x [prototype-displacement] = models displacement --> for TITANIC: (1/150)³ x 53'000 (metric)tons = 15.7kg

It would be interesting to know the actual sailing weight of the Graupner Titanic! I guess it should even displace a bit more as the model is some 3cm overscaled in beam (I suppose they did it in pupose to improve the performance on the water).

Cheers
Kaspar
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: dutch on May 24, 2012, 04:43:50 pm
Hello,

I really love this model! Wow!

do you think it's possible to add lights (fiber optics etc) to this model? or would it make her sink because of the weight/penetration of the hull?

have a nice day all!
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on May 25, 2012, 11:12:03 pm
I don't think adding lights would be a problem at all, and it's something I would like to do in the future! :-)
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: dutch on May 26, 2012, 03:13:27 pm
Judging from your pictures, it seems difficult to add light to the stern section because of all the kit/glue in that section of the hull piece.

Can you say anything about the bow? Is it also filled with kit?
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: boathound on June 04, 2012, 06:10:38 pm
What ever you do get yourself some Matt Ronseal and VARNISH ALL THE DECKS. I've lost count how many coats I put on my Graupner Sharnhorst and parts of the stern deck still warp. Also be very careful of the paint especially the red of the hull as it rubs off easily and finding a match is a real "xxxxx". Make sure the tiny screws attaching the propeller to the drive shaft and those in the motor couplings are tight, they can work themselves loose at awkward moments so keep a tiny screw driver handy when you go sailing. Hope you enjoy it and unlike the real thing get much more than a single trip out of her!
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on June 04, 2012, 08:44:54 pm
Hey thanks for the tips! :-) she wont see water before the decks are varnished, and one of the props are allready ruined due to the thread were the screw go are gone... but im looking for brass props to replace alll 3 but im having a hard time finding them.
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: dutch on June 07, 2012, 08:59:53 pm
Hello, I have bought the Titanic last weekend. Great vessel, but indeed easy to damage... I have noticed that, when the vessel is put in the water, the hull needs to be dried afterwards. If not, the paint will get damaged.

It is possible to add light/use fiberglass in all of the port holes, but might be difficult at some places because behind the portholes there is some sort of deck plating.

The next couple of weeks I am planning to carefully dismantle the vessel, so I can add the lights.
I will also fix the inaccuracies that I have found in the Graupner Titanic, in order to make it a more exact replica of the RMS Titanic.
Hahn's Titanic plans and Peter Davies Garner book will be used....

If anyone needs any pictures of any specific part, please let me know!
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on June 07, 2012, 09:16:43 pm
Nice to hear you got the vessel too! And please keep us updated on the process and the parts!  :}

How was the waterline when you had her in the water? do you have to add a lot of ballast?
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: dutch on June 08, 2012, 01:49:08 pm
I added about 7,6 KG of ballast, she stayed afloat. The red part of the hull was still visible above the water line, for approximately half an inch.

Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: dutch on June 24, 2012, 12:34:04 pm
Hello,

The first couple of alterations have been (successfully) completed:

- The capstans on the fore deck and poop deck have been given a bronze top.
- The 2 cranes on the poop deck: The white/brown section of the basis has been painted entirely white (except for the stairs).
- The 2 masts have been painted brown.

Things that still need to be done (among others):

- Build 2 new crane bases for the C-deck section of the stern from scratch, Graupner has it totally wrong here
- Paint the railings of the stairs on C-deck white (on the C-deck where the cranes are)
- Drill or paint the port holes on C-deck, E-deck and F-deck (I'll probably drill them, for I am planning to add lights to the model
- Correct the rigging plan
- Paint the brown doors white, or maybe i'll replace them with white (painted) plastic doors
- change the color of the (top of the) life boats and add ropes and names to them
- Remove the top of the compass, so it gets a square shape
- Add a brown bottom to some of the supports for the cranes
- Remove the (dark) glass from the skylights and replace it with transparant plastic
- Lord Kelvin's sounding machines will be built from scratch
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: boathound on June 30, 2012, 07:57:53 pm
Following this thread with great interest, any chance of seeing pic's of your improvements?
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: dutch on July 03, 2012, 10:22:21 pm
Hello,

Yes, I'll post some pics soon.
The problem is that my camera is at my ex girlfriends, and I still need to go there to get it back :)

It's still a work in progress, and I haven't been able to complete a lot of tasks.

In the meanwhile I've ordered dr Hahn's Titanic Plans on a 1:150 scale (same scale as the model) to search for any inaccuracies.
Sadly enough, I've found many more. Some of them are very difficult to fix, the risk of damaging the model is immense.

Latest discoveries:

- The (grey) color of the roofs of the boat deck houses is incorrect. This should be dark blue (difficult).
- The roofs of both the starboard and portside parts of the bridge house are now white, they should be grey, just like the wheel house
- The morse lamps on top of the bridge are not modelled the correct way
- The telegraphs inside the wheel house, and the ones on the poop deck are completely gold, their sides should be white (with text)
- The portholes on C deck have been painted white, just like the windows just in front of the aft well deck. They are windows and should look as such. The problem here is the wooden construction right behind them inside the hull. It was my initial idea to drill the portholes, but I am not sure this is safe. I am considering alternative options.
- Some brown stairs miss a white railing
- The lamp on the mast is missing
- One of the coal vents on the poop deck points in the wrong directions
- The deck houses on boat deck don't have the brown wooden railing
- There is a door on the hull positioned at the wrong location. Portside, right below the fore well deck. Correct location would be about an inch to the right, and 1 inch below. This can be fixed, for the rivets and doors etc have been glued on the hull (at least in this section)

Earlier found inaccuracies:

- The capstans on the fore deck and poop deck should have a bronze colored top
- The 2 cranes on the poop deck. The white/brown section of the basis should be entirely white (except for the stairs).
- The 2 masts are yellowish, but must be painted brown.
- Cranes on the aft well deck are not correctly modelled.
- Rigging plan is not correct
- The brown doors on the model should be white
- The (top of the) life boats has the wrong color and misses ropes and names to them
- The top of the compass needs to be altered
- Add a brown bottom to some of the supports for the cranes
- Remove the (dark) glass from the skylights and replace it with transparant plastic
- Lord Kelvin's sounding machines will be built from scratch
- Portholes right below the fore deck and poop deck (C Deck) are painted white

The biggest mistake that Graupner is painting the windows/portholes on C deck white.
If anyone has any suggestion on how to fix this, please tell me.

Painting them black or blueish doesn't give me the natural feel I am looking for.

My initial plan was to drill the windows/portholes, but this will weaken the inside structure of the vessel.
That of course could be fixed by adding a plank to it, but I am not sure this is such a good idea.

The other major difficulty is to change the color of the grey roofs at the foot of the funnels (partially).
There are so many small objects there (of which most can be removed, with some controlled force, I took off the cranes to be able to paint them), but I'm afraid some will get damaged beyond repair.

Hope to post some pics soon!

Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Stavros on July 03, 2012, 10:46:04 pm
dutch please dont for one minute this is a dig at you Personally but does it really matter that there as some slight blunders on this model and at the end of the day that what it is,what I am getting at is you will soon become  so engrossed in changing this and that you will loose the enjoyment of this fine craft.

YES i do relaise it is annoying but please dont go down the route of a rivet counter trying to get perfection.You will soon get so fed up you will sell it.


Dave
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Neil on July 03, 2012, 11:06:16 pm
If anyone has any suggestion on how to fix this, please tell me.

yep..............sell it to me, I'd be very happy to take it off your hands for a couple of hundred euros..........so many mistakes on it,.......... and build your own from scratch from Hann's plans.............only then would you be truly satisfied of the accuracy of the model. %% %% %% %% %%
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: dutch on July 04, 2012, 10:12:17 pm
dutch please dont for one minute this is a dig at you Personally but does it really matter that there as some slight blunders on this model and at the end of the day that what it is,what I am getting at is you will soon become  so engrossed in changing this and that you will loose the enjoyment of this fine craft.

YES i do relaise it is annoying but please dont go down the route of a rivet counter trying to get perfection.You will soon get so fed up you will sell it.


Dave

Dave, no worries...i'm not a rivet counter, but certain things will keep annoying me until they are fixed...sadly enough I do not have the time to use Hahn's plans to build a model from scratch, so I will make this one as close as possible to the original. I will not lose the enjoyment of this fine craft, I enjoy changing it, and I love it. I do however believe things can be improved, it will make me love the vessel even more :)
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: dutch on July 04, 2012, 10:13:22 pm
yep..............sell it to me, I'd be very happy to take it off your hands for a couple of hundred euros..........so many mistakes on it,.......... and build your own from scratch from Hann's plans.............only then would you be truly satisfied of the accuracy of the model. %% %% %% %% %%

hahaha...nice try! funny though   %%
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Neil on July 04, 2012, 10:37:16 pm
I can live in hope.............probably die in dispair though. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
neil.
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Stavros on July 04, 2012, 10:38:51 pm
dutch so so glad you didnt take offence at what I said no offence was intended at all,and you saw it that way,so so many model boat owners get so carried away with getting them so so perfect and forget to get some enjoyment and use of it .i know where you are comming from where some of the small innacuracies can really get to you.
Enjoy what you are doing and enjoy your sailing


Dave
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on July 05, 2012, 11:33:41 am

Hi Dutch,

Can you put your location into your Profile please.  Local members might be interested in seeing your Titanic.  (I know I would   :} )

What is the latest price for Hahns plans please.

Regards,

ken
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: boathound on July 06, 2012, 07:10:21 pm
There is a solution to your porthole problem. Go to your local model shop and buy some black "Trim line", then get a hole punch, the type used to make holes in leather belts that come with a choice of hole punch sizes. . Its very tedious but you won't have to worry about getting black paint/ink on the model. Used it for my Graupner Sharnhorst and it looks just fine 2 years on.
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on November 12, 2012, 09:39:05 pm
Been a while since I have updated the topic, but the model has been sitting on the shelf above the TV until now. So I started to varnish the decks I just finished the first out of two layers on the hull. I will start with the first layer on the top section tomorrow.
1 out of two layers.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/x1j7zr.jpg)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/sqtbi8.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2j26nb5.jpg)
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2w56hkk.jpg)


Not varnished at all:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/5pik5x.jpg)
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on November 12, 2012, 09:53:27 pm

Smashing job. She looks great.     :-))


Ken

Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Stormbringer on November 12, 2012, 10:26:39 pm
lovely  :-))
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on November 12, 2012, 10:55:58 pm
Thank you!  :-)
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on November 14, 2012, 06:17:37 pm
Finished the first coat of varnish on all the decks! Not gonna start with the second coat right away as i want it all to be completely dry before I start. I wish I had done this sooner as it makes the boat look so much nicer!
(http://i47.tinypic.com/vg0ayf.jpg)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/t99jjb.jpg)
(http://i49.tinypic.com/fmi9lg.jpg)
I will also fix the railing that looks bad from when it was damaged during shipping  :-))
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2mqnixh.jpg)



Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: adamD98 on November 16, 2012, 01:47:24 pm
Hi there, what a stunning build, absolutely top class. Thoroughly enjoyed looking at your thread.  :-))
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Hawke on November 17, 2012, 11:03:10 pm
Hi, just seen this thread and thought I'd add that I've also got a Graupner Titanic. I've been a bit of a Titanic enthusiast for as long as I can remember and I'm pretty impressed with this model on the whole and am a very proud owner. I don't think I'll be changing too much on my model, particularly where colours are concerned - the photos I have of the real one are black and white so I doubt many people will question the small colour variations!


Haven't sailed mine yet but am just at the stage of cutting and laying sheets of lead ballast in the bottom. Mine arrived pretty much perfect bar a few bent railings and a missing / broken anchor on the port side. The railings were easily straightened out but I still need an anchor if anyone can help?


When I used to be more involved in R/C model boats many years ago I seem to recall that you could buy smoke pellets to pop inside funnels. Does anyone know if they're still available?


Good to see the thread, thank you.  :-)
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: ATB on November 18, 2012, 05:02:08 pm
@adam, Thank you!  :-)


@Hawke, Yes, it's a beautiful ship! I won't be changing anything color wise either, I'm just varnishing the deck timber so it wont warp when it comes in contact with water. I still haven't decided if I will try the model on the water yet. As for the anchor I think you can call the place you bought the model from, they might be able to help you to get spare parts. I got my broken/missing items from the store I bought the model from :-) 
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Hawke on November 18, 2012, 09:04:02 pm
Thanks Adam. Interesting what's been said about the decks. Now you come to mention it the deck veneer running the length of the lower promenade (on the starboard side) is a bit wrinkly in places but, fortunately, doesn't show because it's enclosed. I think maybe I'd better varnish mine too as it's destined for the water.


I've just remembered I also had to straighten out the ladders that run up the front of the funnels, and some of those famous Welin davits.



I've been absolutely captivated by this model and have really admired the detail. I can't stop looking at it. Couldn't believe the accuracy of the deck benches. Heck, even the cast iron end frames have the correct design. There's no doubt about it, for a sad old (not so old, actually!) Titanic nut it's a delight. I always promised I'd build myself an R/C version of this liner one day but I'm not sure I need to now.


Have any of you chaps got any shots of her in the water? Would love to see them.


Graham


 
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: AllanD on May 20, 2013, 09:36:50 am
Can I ask what varnish you used on the decks?
Title: Re: Graupner Titanic
Post by: Nightstriker on July 29, 2016, 10:20:09 am
Has any of you guys built lighting into the Graupner Titanic? I have ordered my model this week and I am already planning some alterations.  :-)