Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: MickK on May 28, 2012, 08:30:05 am
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I might be getting old {:-{, but do aircraft have the same port and starboard lighting protocol as boats?
ie Port = left =red
Stb = right =green
Cheers
Mick 8)
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Yes, last time I looked in the dark ! 8)
MikeK (almost the same, not quite ! %% )
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...and do they change when flying inverted %) ? (planes not boats)
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...and do they change when flying inverted %) ? (planes not boats)
No they look the same from Down here %) %) %) O0 O0 O0
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No they don't. Still green and red, but as far as I know the arcs of visibility don't apply. The main light on an aircraft is the anti-collision light....the bright red flashing thing. BY.
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...and do they change when flying inverted %) ? (planes not boats)
or backwards like old Isle of Mann steamers?? %% %% %% %%
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I think the anti-collision light is a white strobe on an aircraft and yellow rotating flasher on a hovercraft which is nearly an aeroplane if I remember correctly.
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So what is
the bright red flashing thing somewhere on the top?
That nearly blinds you when standing next to it.
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Depends on the aircraft. Cessna have a red flasher on the tip of the tale. Always on when ignition is on.
Likes of the Piper's, they have strobes on the wing tips.
But otherwise, yes same lights as a ship as far as red and green goes. We have a landing light(s) usually on the nose and a strobe somewhere.
Captain Dan :)
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I am currently building from a kit and the guy who does the graphics for the boat picture on the box is clearly unaware of the protocol as the RHS of the boat has a red light. (Foreign kit!)
This happened some time ago on the cover of a Model Boats magazine as well!
regards Roy
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I am currently building from a kit and the guy who does the graphics for the boat picture on the box is clearly unaware of the protocol as the RHS of the boat has a red light. (Foreign kit!)
This happened some time ago on the cover of a Model Boats magazine as well!
regards Roy
Not unknown for the printing industry to shove a slide in back to front resulting in a mirror image. I recall Thunder Tiger producing their ARTS fishing boats with that particular error.
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Thanks for the replies! :-)
We now have 2 differing answers, reply #2 and Reply #5 {:-{
I ask the question because I thought they were the same (Red Port, Green Stb) :-))
I was watching a plane last night, it could have been an Airforce plane, flying fairly low, down the coast, close enough to hear it, but it was dark, so I couldn't see it in detail, (maybe the last surviving Hercules.) O0
The RED light was visible, the plane was heading south, and was east of where I was sitting, and out over the sea from where I was sitting. (I live on the east coast)
If the protocol is the same for aeroplanes as it is for boats, this thing must have been flying backwards. %% %%
Mick
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigation_light
Perhaps the southbound plane was flying inverted? Maybe a bet?
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I've definitly gone GaGa %% %% <:( :embarrassed:
Next time I get the oportunity to see a plane reasonably close at night, I'll get the binoculars to make sure of what is going on! :-))
Mick
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Running lights should surely be reversed if a ship is going astern for some distance - our car ferries used to enter Newhaven stern-first when they started in 1964. The aft bridge wings were equipped with 'reversed' nav lights and the masts with reversed steaming lights.
Mind you, if a ship isn't so equipped and isn't going so far, then I guess it's just a case of the observer being aware. I've backed Meeching up the harbour at night to get back to her berth rather than turning around twice, no changes of lights then.
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To cope with the 7 mile sea trip from Circular Quay in the city of Sydney to Manley....[OZ places] ....many years ago we ordered double ended ferries O0
One engine room.....one boiler room.......two bows & two props & two deckhouses
The captain powered the vessel into the ferry terminal.........then simply went to the alternate deckhouse to take the vessel away for the alternate 7 mile trip
Vessel running lights I understand were a 24/7 requirement...& when the captain assumed control from the alternate deckhouse, the lights switched over
We have a member Southsteyne2.......who may offer a further comment on this ..... ok2 ......Derek
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I've got my computer back from the hospital now. {-) At least they copied the entire contents of my old hard drive onto the new one! :}
I can understand ferries etc having issues with lights going backwards and fowards, but not an aeroplane in the sky! %%
I'm still waiting for an opportunity to look at one flying past'
Mick
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I've got my computer back from the hospital now. {-) At least they copied the entire contents of my old hard drive onto the new one! :}
I can understand ferries etc having issues with lights going backwards and fowards, but not an aeroplane in the sky! %%
I'm still waiting for an opportunity to look at one flying past'
Mick
Were not Harriers capable of going backwards????????????
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To cope with the 7 mile sea trip from Circular Quay in the city of Sydney to Manley....[OZ places] ....many years ago we ordered double ended ferries O0
The current diesel powered Manly ferries are all double ended, similar to the earlier steam driven ones. Attached is a shot of the Narrabeen arriving at Circular Quay, and the wash from both the fore and aft props can be clearly seen, as can the two wheel houses.
Peter.
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Peter,
That brings back memories of my time in Sydney up to early 60's. O0 O0
Remember the "Showboat" that used to go out side the heads on excursions, wow what a ride.
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And never forget the South Steyne with her running lights always running... :o
http://www.southsteyne.com.au/history.htm ....the very first sea trip I made........maybe 50 years ago....
Much more interesting & romantic than warships................ :embarrassed: @ sea
"Showboat".....was she not from the Captain Cook Crusing Fleet of vessels from the early 60's?....... motor & propellor driven with false side wheels? ...Derek
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Derek,
A beautiful ferry,
Here is the 'Showboat'
http://www.billbottomley.com.au/car_punts/ch6.pdf
The Showboat also followed the Sydney to Hobart yacht race down the harbour and out the heads to sea a short distance down the coast.
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I can just remember going for a trip on the Showboat, "Kalang", probably in the late 40s. I left Sydney as a 16 year old at the end of 1953, and it was well before that. I have a photo I took on that trip of the Spit Bridge, but I can't find it at the moment. It's probably in a box, as I still haven't unpacked everything since we moved :embarrassed: I really must get around to doing that (unpacking) %).
Peter.
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Here is a photo of the South Steyne I took in November 2009. I have posted it on the forum before, but that post may have been lost in the meltdown.
She is used as a floating restaurant/function venue, and its web site is here http://www.southsteyne.com.au/index1.htm (http://www.southsteyne.com.au/index1.htm)
Peter.
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Beautiful photo.
Getting a bit old now, but if i recollect correctly, there was a similar Manly ferry, North Head.
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Yes....here she is ..."North Head"...just approaching the Opera House & I am sure with her running lights RED & GREEN on O0 ....Derek
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Ah memories. :-)) :-))
Now all we need is a photo of the mothball fleet and all is complete. O0 O0
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Remember taking a trip over to the other side of the harbour in the 60's - that's about it ! can't remember the name of the ferry or where we went, except there was an aquarium next to where we got off !
Mike
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Remember taking a trip over to the other side of the harbour in the 60's - that's about it ! can't remember the name of the ferry or where we went, except there was an aquarium next to where we got off !
Mike
Mike,
That was at Manly.
The two ferries, South Steyne and North head only traveled the Circular quay to Manly run.
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The two ferries, South Steyne and North head only traveled the Circular quay to Manly run.
The Curl Curl and the Dee Why (both named after Sydney beaches) were two other Manly steam ferries I remember. They were built by Napier and Miller of Glasgow in 1928, and sailed to Australia via the Suez Canal under their own power.
The current diesel powered Manly fleet consists of four vessels, all named after some of Sydney's northern beaches, Queenscliff, Collaroy, Narrabeen and Freshwater, and all built in the Newcastle NSW area.
This video of the Freshwater crossing Sydney Heads in rough weather is worth a look. I have been on a Many ferry in similar conditions, and it's quite a ride O0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skQeGxFnyCA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skQeGxFnyCA) and another http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZoSJ6blBRk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZoSJ6blBRk&feature=related)
Peter.
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Peter,
Those were the days, often got a soaking standing outside on a bad day on the older ferries, Curl Curl, Dee Why, North Head or South Steyne.
Back then you would wait and choose which ferry to ride on and if a glutton for punishment go back and forth on the same ferry for another run.
Don't suppose it would be allowed these days.
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Hi guys not 100% sure but I believe the timber panels near the running lights on double ended ferries were slid over to cover when approaching from astern
Cheers
John
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No they don't. Still green and red, but as far as I know the arcs of visibility don't apply. The main light on an aircraft is the anti-collision light....the bright red flashing thing. BY.
Arcs of visibility do apply to aircraft Brian - for the same reason they do on boats. Not sure why you say the 'main light on an aircraft is the anti-collision light' though {:-{
Mark.
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Arcs of visibility do apply to aircraft Brian - for the same reason they do on boats. Not sure why you say the 'main light on an aircraft is the anti-collision light' though {:-{
Mark.
Probably the biggest, brightest and most noticeable, apart from the landing lights when they come on.
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Not sure why you say the 'main light on an aircraft is the anti-collision light' though
Because at aircraft speeds (typically 10x ship speeds) by the time you can see the nav lights it'll be far too late.
The rule is basically the same though - if it's coming at you you both turn to starboard to avoid colliding.
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Speaking of the North Heador the South Steyne , it was a relaative of mine who took one of them over over to Australia , and at the time it was some sort of record for the passage
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Further to last post it was the South Steyne commanded by Captain Robert Mitchell Beedie MBE and he would have been my third cousin but have been trying to find the info of how the record was attained
Pedder and Mylchreest Ltd. of London was entrusted the task of delivering the ship 12,000 miles to Sydney. Captain R. M. Beedie was the master for the sixty-four day voyage. During the voyage, the South Steyne performed well and found no difficulty in the monsoonal conditions.
http://leithbuiltships.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/ship-no-267.html
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:-))wbeadie thanks so much for the great post I grew up in Edinburgh so nice to read now about the shipping industries there as I was too young to know about them
Thanks
John