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Title: Rotating turrets
Post by: spooksgone on June 04, 2012, 02:09:11 pm
Hi all. My next project is going to be a scale shipyard 1/48th Fletcher class destroyer. At nearly 8 feet long it will be crying out to have as many working functions as possible. Does any body know the best way to make the gun turrets rotate? I am starting to gather the parts for this build all ready.
Cheers all
 
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: TailUK on June 04, 2012, 03:29:02 pm
Modified servos? Although how you wire them is a mystery to me.
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: howyson on June 04, 2012, 04:02:03 pm

Some info and links on modifying servos at:-

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=18707.msg335103#msg335103


Howard
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: deadbeat on June 04, 2012, 04:14:31 pm
Try this from Action Electronics.

http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/mixers.php

look at Servomorph

I haven't used it yet but may well do in the future sounds just right for the job!
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: john44 on June 04, 2012, 07:46:30 pm
Hi deadbeat, you can use standard un - modernized servo,s or mini/micro servo,s . You just fit a pulley on the servo & a pulley  under the turret.
The pulley on the servo needs to be 5 times the size of the pulley on the turret to give the angular degrees needed. I  use this set up on my PT15 through a ACtion servo morph to slow the servo,s down, and both guns work of 1 servo-morph
via a Y lead.
If you mount your servo/pulley in between 2 gun,s to get them to turn the same way you will have to put a twist
on the rubber band to one of the guns.( like a figure 8 ).

hope this helps

john
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: spooksgone on June 05, 2012, 07:43:05 pm
Just had a thought, I remember building the Nichiomo 1/200th scale Yamato, back in the early 80's the turrets where all contrlled by a simple motor and a cam type system. Failing that, back to a simple push rod system. wow, how time moves on.
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 05, 2012, 08:02:31 pm

Just make sure you use quality servos, bearings etc. as with age and wear, they will get all 'juddery' and look terrible when moving!
Smooth, smooth, smooth!
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: spooksgone on June 06, 2012, 08:48:39 pm
Thanks for all of the info guy's. lot's of food for thought.  It looks to me that the servomorth might be worth a look, thank's Deadbeat.
Thank you all
Phil
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: Harquebus on August 11, 2012, 04:22:13 pm
Seems all the rotating turrets I have seen are servo controlled with linkages and pushrods and have to be operated with a slow thumb to replicate the slow, smooth and heavy turning seen on the real warship. Furthermore, the turrets return to "neutral" when the stick is released. Is there a way to have a turret rotate to a certain point and stop there?

Those RC tanks have that function and one can drive around with the turret "stuck" at a certain angle until one moves it again. Not sure what the servomorph does; perhaps I need to look in that direction(?).
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: John W E on August 11, 2012, 05:39:06 pm
hi there

this may be of interest to some requiring rotating turrets and cranes etc.    I have just finished a kit which I bought from Technobots - its for a servo expander - its called a servo control unit.  It increases the standard servo movement to 180 degrees but also it has the option where you can move the servo to any position on the 180 degree arc and when you have reached the point you want the servo to finally be at; you then release your tx control stick to central position and the servo will stay at that fixed point which you left it at - until which time you move the tx stick back to that position - then the servo will move.

the only downside to this, as far as I am aware - Technobots only do this item as a kit as far as I can see and I would class it as a kit for the experienced Electronics person as it is built on strip board - there is no resistor colour coding write-up (you have to know your resister colour codes/which you can get from the web) and you have to do a lot of link wiring on the board as well as strip cutting.

The other thing is you have to pay extra for a case, which I didnt realise at the time - but - for £12 (without the case) not bad I s'pose.

I will put a link on shortly.

aye
john
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: John W E on August 11, 2012, 06:09:33 pm
http://www.technobotsonline.com/servo-slower-by-alan-bond.html

 :-))
aye
john
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: ACTion on August 11, 2012, 07:38:05 pm
http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/P96.pdf (http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/P96.pdf)
£14 built and tested..................oh, and  with a case.
Suit yourself.
DM
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: bikerdude999 on August 12, 2012, 09:26:18 am
http://www.technobotsonline.com/servo-slower-by-alan-bond.html

 :-))
aye
john

Looks good, might have to give 1 a go!
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: dodgy geezer on August 12, 2012, 12:21:50 pm
AFAICS, what it does is change the standard proportional servo control into 'progressive' control.

Anyone here old enough to remember that?   :D :D
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: Circlip on August 12, 2012, 12:23:46 pm
 :-))   "Wesclox" alarm clock conversion.

  Regards  Ian
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: ACTion on August 12, 2012, 01:42:47 pm
AFAICS, what it does is change the standard proportional servo control into 'progressive' control.

Anyone here old enough to remember that?   :D :D

Throttle and elevator trim servos with seven wires? Reed banks? Six-lever trannies? Centre-tapped DEAC packs? Oh yes, quite  old enough thanks.............unfortunately (and so are you, D-G  :P).
Dave M
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: john44 on August 12, 2012, 06:12:56 pm
I havent got a clue what you are on about, a reed bank is on the sides of the lake isnt it?
as for the rest they could have found it on Mars.

just shows Im young or just late into RC. {-) {-)
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: ACTion on August 12, 2012, 06:55:25 pm
just shows Im young or just late into RC. {-) {-)
Or both! Never mind. If you really  want to know about that sort of stuff I'm sure there's plenty on t'interweb about it. "You young buggers don't know you're born......"
DM
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: dodgy geezer on August 12, 2012, 07:40:03 pm
One of my servos...   :-)) :-))


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Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: john44 on August 12, 2012, 07:54:23 pm
One of my servos...   Thumbs up Thumbs up

1 of your servo,s :o how big is the boat? {-) {-)

john
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: ACTion on August 12, 2012, 08:25:48 pm
Blimey - a Mighty Midget! I made a Galloping Ghost servo from one of those - worked a damned sight better with our Fleet GG set than the fancy Rand LR3 and cost about a fifth as much.

(Note to Forum Ring Wraiths/Nazgul/Death Eaters/Moderators:

Sorry to go off topic but it does seem to have run its course. You'll forgive a couple of old f^rts from reminiscing, surely? If not, Duramites to the lot of you!)

Dave M
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 12, 2012, 08:35:45 pm

Love it.   All interesting stuff.



ken
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: dodgy geezer on August 13, 2012, 08:22:43 am

1 of your servo,s :o how big is the boat? {-) {-)




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Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: spooksgone on September 20, 2013, 10:31:06 am
Well I finally got around to buying a servo morph from the components shop, Installed it in my v+w [rear turret] and it works a treat. Certainley will be getting some more for my next project.
Thanks guy's
Phil
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: Geoff on September 20, 2013, 01:36:49 pm
Quick question though, does it actuially allow 180 degrees rotation or a little less? The info seems a little contradictory, so really the question is for someone who has actually purchased it.
 
Also is the movement smooth or a little jerky?
 
Looks really interesting and easier than my method. (see Warships underway "how too page")
 
Cheers
 
Geoff
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: rsm on September 20, 2013, 02:39:52 pm
It depends on the servo. If it has physical stops on the gears it probably won't go that far. If you want 180 degrees or more get a sail winch servo and use the servomorph to stop it travelling too far. Component shop have some sail winch servos that are about the same size as a standard servo and are cheap. It works smoothly for me.
Regards,
Roger.
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: Harquebus on September 20, 2013, 05:30:09 pm
Well I finally got around to buying a servo morph from the components shop, Installed it in my v+w [rear turret] and it works a treat. Certainley will be getting some more for my next project.
Thanks guy's
Phil

Can I get a demonstration of that?  O0

So this enables a full broadside and can leave the turret there until you center them again?
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: Rob47 on September 20, 2013, 06:45:12 pm
my solution for Tiger is to use a gear wheel and turret drive from 1/16 scale tank, no wires to worry and it will trav as slow or fast as you want without the need for servos
 
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: Harquebus on September 20, 2013, 09:25:38 pm
my solution for Tiger is to use a gear wheel and turret drive from 1/16 scale tank, no wires to worry and it will trav as slow or fast as you want without the need for servos

Well, the turrets from 1/16 tanks (Heng Long being a favorite) have a set speed and so should the warship in question. A slow, lumbering speed would be best. For smaller scales or width concerns in our slender battlecruisers and destroyers, I don't think the retrofitted turret ring from a HL tank, et al, will always fit.
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: grendel on September 20, 2013, 09:56:54 pm
reversible motor with a worm drive to a turret ring maybe (a good worm drive can be found on telescope mounts) motor can be run from a speed controller or a pair of microswitches.
Grendel
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: BrianB6 on September 21, 2013, 12:51:27 am
I have one in my 'Dorina' on the 4" turret.
It only rotates about 160 degrees but that might be because it's driving a 1980's 'Sanwa' servo.   Quite smooth.
On my Patrol Boat I used a miniature 'Robbe' 1:500 motor driven by a Mtroniks 10 amp speed control which means it can turn at any speed over 360 degrees.   "Watch out on the Bridge"
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: Rob47 on September 21, 2013, 05:04:29 pm
Well, the turrets from 1/16 tanks (Heng Long being a favorite) have a set speed and so should the warship in question. A slow, lumbering speed would be best. For smaller scales or width concerns in our slender battlecruisers and destroyers, I don't think the retrofitted turret ring from a HL tank, et al, will always fit.
Its not the whole turret ring just the gear wheel which fits under deck, on Tiger plenty of room and bearing in mind the 6" turret is mounted well forward
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on September 21, 2013, 05:18:47 pm
http://www.modelradioworkshop.co.uk/products/turret-servo-controller

Very good, does what the Technobots one does, but its built. Only does 160 degrees, but has a servo slow down built in too. Got one its great. Didn't respond earlier, too busy slapping my head with my hand repeatedly :-)) Actually, only just looked at the post :embarrassed:
Check out his range...good gear.
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: hmsantrim on September 22, 2013, 06:01:25 am
Hi.
  Turret rings here for ships
  frank
                   http://stores.ebay.de/mgs-mechanics?_trksid=p2047675.l2563 (http://stores.ebay.de/mgs-mechanics?_trksid=p2047675.l2563)
Title: Re: Rotating turrets
Post by: Pondweed on November 02, 2013, 12:12:58 am
One of my servos...   :-)) :-))


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