Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: trawlerman on June 04, 2012, 07:37:33 pm
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1959 launched at selby by Cochrane & sons as Navena for J Marr & son Fleetwood and registered FD172.....after 10 years she was sold to P&J Johnstone Aberdeen and in 1973 was wrecked at Copinsay in the Orkneys, all the crew were saved......I scratch built the model at a scale of 1/32 with an o.a.l.of 53 inches, it has working radar scanners,lights.horn and engine sound....I have a few internal jobs to finish before the launch.........Trawlerman :-) :-)......Sorry about the fuzzy photo,s :embarrassed:
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Very nice model indeed - what motors did you use to spin the radars?
I'm just asking because I was reading a thread the other day about radars.
Dave
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thanks norseman.....the motors i used ,one i have had for years which turns at 28 rpm and the other which turns at 33 rpm i got from modelling timbers i think it cost a tenner ........I think they look better when they turn at different speeds....rod :-))
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and now you've given me a conundrum Rod %%
I feel the answer should be obvious to an idiot but I really can't decide {-)
If you have a small oval radar dish and a larger bar type radar, and both rotate at 30rpm
............ would they appear to be rotating at a slightly different speed?
Dave
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Now then Dave.....the answer to your conundrum is............I,ve no idea......I would think you might get away with it if you set them about 30 or 40 degrees apart......Rod :-))
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1959 launched at selby by Cochrane & sons as Navena for J Marr & son Fleetwood and registered FD172.....after 10 years she was sold to P&J Johnstone Aberdeen and in 1973 was wrecked at Copinsay in the Orkneys, all the crew were saved......I scratch built the model at a scale of 1/32 with an o.a.l.of 53 inches, it has working radar scanners,lights.horn and engine sound....I have a few internal jobs to finish before the launch.........Trawlerman :-) :-)......Sorry about the fuzzy photo,s :embarrassed:
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1959 launched at selby by Cochrane & sons as Navena for J Marr & son Fleetwood and registered FD172.....after 10 years she was sold to P&J Johnstone Aberdeen and in 1973 was wrecked at Copinsay in the Orkneys, all the crew were saved......I scratch built the model at a scale of 1/32 with an o.a.l.of 53 inches, it has working radar scanners,lights.horn and engine sound....I have a few internal jobs to finish before the launch.........Trawlerman :-) :-)......Sorry about the fuzzy photo,s :embarrassed:
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1959 launched at selby by Cochrane & sons as Navena for J Marr & son Fleetwood and registered FD172.....after 10 years she was sold to P&J Johnstone Aberdeen and in 1973 was wrecked at Copinsay in the Orkneys, all the crew were saved......I scratch built the model at a scale of 1/32 with an o.a.l.of 53 inches, it has working radar scanners,lights.horn and engine sound....I have a few internal jobs to finish before the launch.........Trawlerman :-) :-)......Sorry about the fuzzy photo,s :embarrassed:
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Lovely and nowt wrong with the photos either :-)
Dave
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she looks well on the water Wodney........pitty you didn't take your mobile with you...then you could have phoned me {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Thanks Dave.....She performed well , first time out....Rod
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Thanks Neil...Rod........PS thats why i didn;t take the mobile {-) {-) {-) {-)
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suppose it saved you from a ducking in the pond...........I've already been in for one.................your turn next {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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NO CHANCE....i can;t swim :-)) {-) {-) {-)
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It's about time you started your step by step build guide of your new trawler/drifter Rod.............I'm sure there will be a lot of interest in it from the very start of the build.........
come on, don't be shy.
neil.
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Yes neil i just might.....Rod :-)) :-)) :-))
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it'll keep ya out o' mischief %% %% %%
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I'd certainly watch Rod O0
The Three Fleetwood Trawlers Build :o {-) Only kidding.
Dave
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Thanks Dave...But i can,t start until some person returns my camera.....Rod {-) {-) {-)
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who's nicked yer camera then matey {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
can't bring it back this morning .......ain't got me car...........it's gone for new boots and tracking <:( <:( <:( <:( <:(
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Hi Rod,
beautiful model.
The transom stern gives it a fairly modern appearance.
Didn't know that transom sterns were introduced in fishing vessel design as early as in the late 1950s.
From there it seems a little step to the stern ramp trawler. But this seems to be a side trawler yet. Maybe a design of the transitional period?
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there were a few in Fleetwood with the transome stern.very quirky at the time.........played havoc on us kids sat on the beach trawler spotting, lol %% %% %%
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Thanks Deadwood...Never thought about it before but now you mention it you could be right, although when they went to stern fishing the vessels lost all their character, like trains[ steam to diesel ]......Rod
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Thanks Deadwood...Never thought about it before but now you mention it you could be right, although when they went to stern fishing the vessels lost all their character, like trains[ steam to diesel ]......Rod
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QUITE good !
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and now you've given me a conundrum Rod %%
I feel the answer should be obvious to an idiot but I really can't decide {-)
If you have a small oval radar dish and a larger bar type radar, and both rotate at 30rpm
............ would they appear to be rotating at a slightly different speed?
Dave
I cannot remember which is which, but I think the small oval dish is X Band Radar and the larger bar scanner is S band. May be 180 degrees out, but one is a long wavelength and one a shorter wavelength radar output. (Google will give the definitive answer). The longer wavelength can see through the screen clutter and rain better than the other and from seeing them both in action many times, I believe the larger bar type scanner does actually turn slower than the smaller one so no probs.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
John
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Sorry Trawlerman, forgot to say that your model is a lovely looking example of a trawler from that era.
Very well done.
Congratulations on a well executed model.
Cheers,
John
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Thanks Tim & Yorkie for your comments they are much appreciated........
Rod
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With the red tint in the pic, it appeared to be a shot of a real boat !
The colours chosen for the model are quite good and go well to make it appear a real boat.
I am compelled to resume work on a Mountfleet model I started last summer though I rather doubt I can match the realism of your museum quality build ...
(http://s10.postimage.org/fups8dfw5/P6270014.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fups8dfw5/)
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Hi Tim....I think that looking at your previous builds you won,t have any trouble with that, looking forward to this model build with interest...Rod :-))
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Hi Rod,
any thoughts on building a model of the Jacinta? I am sure it would gain an exceptional amount of interest,locally and everywhere? even him up the road!
Mick F
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And here is three pics showing the weathering %) http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/search.php?query=Jacinta&x=17&y=10
Oh, as Mountfleet Models were mentioned - they were at Haydock today and the bussiness is up for sale (I'd love a Boston Typhoon)
Dave
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Hi Mick & Dave....Super pictures, she looks a bit weather beaten. I was onboard her last week and she looks a bit better now just having had a complete re-paint, I visit her a lot and i have a brew with her skipper and crew and listen to all the yarns, so if i built a model i would have more than enough information plus a free run of the ship for photographs.....Rod :-)) :-))
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And here is three pics showing the weathering %) http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/search.php?query=Jacinta&x=17&y=10
Oh, as Mountfleet Models were mentioned - they were at Haydock today and the bussiness is up for sale (I'd love a Boston Typhoon)
Dave
100K and the business is yours Dave. a lot to pay for your own Boston Typhoon though {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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Hi Mick & Dave....Super pictures, she looks a bit weather beaten. I was onboard her last week and she looks a bit better now just having had a complete re-paint, I visit her a lot and i have a brew with her skipper and crew and listen to all the yarns, so if i built a model i would have more than enough information plus a free run of the ship for photographs.....Rod :-)) :-))
WELL GET ONE BUILT THEN.............stop yer muckin about!!!!! {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Helllo....Who,s rattled his cage {-) {-).....Rod
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BIG brother is watching you! I suggested Jacinta because she is right on your doorstep,and as you say you can get all the info you need.It would look good in the museum dispayed alongside you know whose Ann Leticia Russell.Its a good cup of coffee in their too! I was watching a programme on the Quest channel this afternoon,called Sea Quest,about treasure hunting.I feel sure the boat they use is an ex trawler?
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Hi Mick...I missed that but no doubt it will be on again before long, it could be an ex-trawler,the almanac will know....Rod :-))
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A classic Fleetwood trawler, well apart from her stern! My uncle Tom was a trawlerman from Milford Haven. Sadly missed after an accident.
I always had a soft spot for the SSAFA because of her name (didnt know it was an abbreviations!) when I was a kid. Saw her sail in and out past the Jubille Quay and up the channel a fair few times. I remember when Jacinta was new too. I sure she arrived with a sister or very similar ship but cannot remember her name.
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I remember when Jacinta was new too. I sure she arrived with a sister or very similar ship but cannot remember her name.
Her sister was the Fyldea, FD 182, But she didn't stay long.... stayed in Fleetwood from 1973 ( a year after Jacinta arrived ) to stay only until 1978 when she was sold to a company in Newfoundland and renamed "Fermeuse"
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Hi Neil with all this build chatter going on I was wondering when your next build is going to start, & what will it be ?, how about a Boston Typhoon. I am missing your 3 lifeboat build a lot, it was the best one on here for all the time you were building them, Mick B.
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http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1197714
Is that the right one Neil?
(Hi Mick)
Dave
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Her sister was the Fyldea, FD 182, But she didn't stay long.... stayed in Fleetwood from 1973 ( a year after Jacinta arrived ) to stay only until 1978 when she was sold to a company in Newfoundland and renamed "Fermeuse"
A-ha! http://www.fleetwood-fishing-industry.co.uk/2008/10/mv-fyldea-fd182/ (http://www.fleetwood-fishing-industry.co.uk/2008/10/mv-fyldea-fd182/)
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the programme I mentioned can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxNy-7D1B9A which shows a couple of glimpses of the ship
Mick F
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yes, that's the right one guys.
as for next build Mick...........i am not sure at the moment........a few ideas in the pipeline but have my workshop to tidy before I start...........and it WON'T be three at the same time, lol
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Well get it sorted then. He talks a good tidy..Rod {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Hey Neil
Haven't you had a long time hankering for a Manx boat? (the name escapes me)
Dave
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Hey Neil
Haven't you had a long time hankering for a Manx boat? (the name escapes me)
Dave
yep I have Dave......but even those two I can't decide which to build or what scale to build in as I my fingers are full of arthritis these days and can't manage small scales any more..........
but it'd be a todd up between King Orry3 of 1913 or the twin stacker Viking..the record holder still for the fastest crossing from IOM to Fleetwood....special interst as my grand dad was on the ship the day she made that crossing.
so still undecided.
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Hi Neil if we have to wait until your shop is tidy I don't think I will live that long LOL. You seem to do beautiful work among the mess, have you reached the floor yet ?. Mick B.
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Hi Neil if we have to wait until your shop is tidy I don't think I will live that long LOL. You seem to do beautiful work among the mess, have you reached the floor yet ?. Mick B.
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Rod & Neil, hopefully with this should be a photo of the ship I seem to think is an ex trawler, She is now used for exploration,on the programme listed above and is now called "odyssey explorer"
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1 of 3 sistership built for Marrs of Hull , she's originally the Farnella H135 ( sisters were Cordella and Northella , Cordella sunk off Greenland 8 or so years ago fishing for shrimps the Northella never went back fishing after the Falklands but went onto long term RN charter being scrapped at India about 10 years ago ).
Plans might be hard to come by but you could start by trying the archivist at Lloyds of London ( I got the plans for my families trawler from them , they keep a set of plans for all boats insured by them over the years ) or try contacting the guys at http://www.hullmodelboatgroup.co.uk/ as they might be able to get plans for you
Photos of her abound on the internet as both a trawler and as the survey ship she is now ( lots of high res photos on shipspotting.com , quite a few photos on Trawlerphotos )
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Thanks Davie for the information much appreciated, I am now building a drifter with plans borrowed from my mate in Stornoway because having located the source of Cochranes & Cook Welton & Gemmell i was quoted £45 a sheet +£5 scanning. I know they won,t be free but thats a rip off......Rod
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£45 a sheet +£5 scanning.
WOW !
That Does sound like an investment Sir...
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1 of 3 sistership built for Marrs of Hull , she's originally the Farnella H135 ( sisters were Cordella and Northella , Cordella sunk off Greenland 8 or so years ago fishing for shrimps the Northella never went back fishing after the Falklands but went onto long term RN charter being scrapped at India about 10 years ago ).
Plans might be hard to come by but you could start by trying the archivist at Lloyds of London ( I got the plans for my families trawler from them , they keep a set of plans for all boats insured by them over the years ) or try contacting the guys at http://www.hullmodelboatgroup.co.uk/ as they might be able to get plans for you
Photos of her abound on the internet as both a trawler and as the survey ship she is now ( lots of high res photos on shipspotting.com , quite a few photos on Trawlerphotos )
Dave, this description you have posted, is it of the Navena, or of the Oddysey Explorer,please,as I am not sure.
Thanks,
Mick F
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Hi Tim Not bad prices eh How can someone on a state pension afford that.? Perhaps some banker can treat me out of his bonus....£150...Oh dear :(( :((..Rod
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Odyssey Explorer Mick
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Thanks Davie, got it now!
Mick F
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who is this man????
could he be the same one that fell asleep in the back of my car and at the Bl;ackpool show over the weekend %% %% %% %% %% %% %% %% %%
In fact it looks as though he's asleep there.............how does he build award winning trawlers when he sleeps so much O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
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THATS NOT ME I always considered myself handsome.....Rod :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
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it's a face only a mother and a dog could love {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Trawlerman, I keep meaning to ask, ( perhaps its mentioned and I missed it ), what color/manufacturer is this particular shade of tan paint above the red on the hull ??
Tim.
(http://s17.postimage.org/as2wffyd7/navena_001_Copy.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/as2wffyd7/)
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Hi Tim...I went down to the heritage trawler JACINTA in Fleetwood docks and matched the paint with a tin that they had [ the 2 ships belonged to the same owners ]. all i know is the real paint is rubberised, but i,ll try and find out the shade for you.....Rod
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{-) aren't monitors fun ......... that Tan you mention has a suspiciously pink tinge on this laptop O0
Dave
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I am not sure, but I think the main colour of the Hull has been mixed with Nicotine yellow? {-) {-) {-) :-))
Mick F
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Ha Ha Ha.....I don,t know what you mean....Rod {-) {-) {-) {-)
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he's just started roll yer own so the colour will now change to a tar brown {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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You can go off people you know.......Rod <*< <*< {-) {-) {-) {-)
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I would like to Thank Ron.
A friend of the family was one of the blokes who built the real MT Navena FD172 & her sister ship in the 50's.
He's not a well man and his dream is to build a rc model of the Navena.
Ron has agreed to help us out supplying him with the plans to build her.
Can't thank you enough mate. I will pass your number to him on Thursday. You are going to make a old boy very happy.
How nice is this, some one that made the real deal will be chatting on the phone to the chap that has built the perfect model.
Just goes to show there are great people still out there, that are willing to help people.
I approached Ron today about building Navena. With out any questions he agreed to help someone that built the ship.
"THANK YOU" Ron Your a true gent.
Can't wait to give our friend the plans.
Just goes to show what type of people you boat builders are. True gents!
Cheers Phil
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I will second that! he really is a great bloke,and very helpful.Hilarious too!His dear lady wife is just the same.A good modeller indeed.All he needs is his daily dose of porridge to encourage him.Just one small thing,I think you mean ROD rather than Rob?
I for one am glad to have met him.
Mick F
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SORRY!!!!!! I mean Rod NOT Ron Rob etc....I'm tired.
Still a great guy.
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Thanks guys...No problem, it,s a pleasure to help and i am looking forward to chatting with him...Rod :-)) :-))
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.All he needs is his daily dose of porridge to encourage him.
Mick F
any one who eats porridge butties needs his bumps feeling, I'm sorry to say............. %% %% %% %% %% %%
as for being helpfull.............well i'm going to embarrass him now.......... :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
I've known Rod since he came to Fleetwood from Whitworth area,Rochdale in the 1980's and we wind each other up mercilessly, but I remember one day in 1991, we ( my wife and I) were going on holiday and taking a model of a boat up to Aberdeen where the new owner was to pick it up.
Rod told me to ring him when we got there to make sure we were safe and sound............I phoned him about 19.30 hours and wound him up........I told him that I'd blown my car up, whilst trying to make the ferry in Aberdeen.
Without a moments hesitation, thinking I was serious, Rod said.........."give me about 30 minutes to get a tow rope together from work, and I'll be up in the early hours to tow you home........."
Now I can't print the expleatives that rang down the phone when he realised I was laughing and winding him up.........but without hessitation he would have made that journey for us, without flinching............and he doesn't like driving!!
I couldn't ask for a better friend than Rod..........he's a real diamond geezer.
Neil.
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I wish you would all give over :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: