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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Submarines => Topic started by: BailingBen on June 12, 2012, 10:02:12 pm

Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: BailingBen on June 12, 2012, 10:02:12 pm
im weathering my new sub and feel its going brilliantly just came from my 1 to 1 lesson with ubn and feel have made a good start on one side      the paints i am using are humbrol matts 147,86,33,62 and a humbrol clear colour 1322

the black 33 will be used for dry brushing
the  grey 147 to  cover up muck up 
the brown 86 will be a wash / dry-brush for the decks to show the wood shining through
the 62 for the general rust
and finally the 1322 clear color which will be used to build up rust around the edges

pictures tomorrow afternoon kk
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: BailingBen on June 12, 2012, 10:46:39 pm
thinking about it i probably coulda used a better title but cant change it now   :((

some picys of the first sides first layer of the multi layer build up


(http://s17.postimage.org/3vz3drc7f/004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3vz3drc7f/)

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Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: spooksgone on June 14, 2012, 10:03:31 am
Hi there KK. How far away from you is the Fratton bargain shop, or is it still there? You should be able to get a jar of paint from there called "breakdust" it is what the model railway modelers use on their rolling stock. Excellent colour, just like rust.
Cheers.
Phil
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: U-33 on June 14, 2012, 11:24:39 am
When I added the weathering to my X craft, I put it outside my workshop and covered it with steel wool, nuts, bolts, in fact anything metal...then left it out there in all weather for a couple of weeks or so. After that, I brought it inside, and from at least six foot away, gave it several light coats of an aerosol silk varnish to seal all the naturally formed rust onto the hull.

'er indoors thought I'd gone mad, but I liked the effect it gave.


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: triumphjon on June 14, 2012, 04:41:35 pm
fratton model shop is his second home !
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: offshore1987 on June 15, 2012, 12:04:52 am
Oh man cant wait to see this sun on the lake, always loved the look of  the u47s  :-))

Could you just not put aload of metal shaving on the sub then duck in the salt water and leave it for a few hours to dry?

Dan
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: spooksgone on June 15, 2012, 07:26:10 am
Better still, buy half a pound of nail's, put them in a tin can with some water. leave for a couple of months. Give the can a shake, take out the nails, let what's left in the can dry, and then brush the powdered rust on too your model. Drust we used to call it.
Cheers
Phil
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: offshore1987 on June 15, 2012, 04:58:59 pm
Better still, buy half a pound of nail's, put them in a tin can with some water. leave for a couple of months. Give the can a shake, take out the nails, let what's left in the can dry, and then brush the powdered rust on too your model. Drust we used to call it.
Cheers
Phil

Making him wait two months  %% he woulda got something new in 2 weeks lol

Dan
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: triumphjon on June 15, 2012, 07:17:07 pm
thankfully some of us have patience , others cant wait that long ! im sure i could scrap some of the surface rust from my clutch drive plate before i skim it next week ?
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: BailingBen on June 15, 2012, 11:45:22 pm
NAH IM GD IM PAINTING IT ALL THE WAY
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: spooksgone on June 17, 2012, 04:48:25 pm
Ok, I know this is not a sub, but a target! I have just started to weather the destroyer. I know that some bit's need to be toned down a little, but for a few hour's work, I think that it will be ok. KK, How are you getting on with the weathering of u47? Some one told me a long time ago, that rust is a living thing, you have to think about all of the differnt stages. Pop down to Portsmouth harbour, there must be some thing there you can have a good look at. Hope this helps,
Cheers.
Phil
(http://s8.postimage.org/4velge2yp/Wether_to_weather_or_not.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4velge2yp/)
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: BailingBen on June 18, 2012, 11:42:45 am
thats nice  :-))   i think you need to tone down the anchor rust abit though

u47 is going ok    ive weatherd the other sides and the rest of the deck now i will be putting a bit of paint to the gun not rust just to make it a bit more interesting
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on June 19, 2012, 09:32:07 am
always check your reference material before passing comment on others work. Or failing that, pop down the Camber Docks for ten minutes and look at the state of some of the fishing boats, and they only journey into the Channel, not the North Atlantic.... :-)
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: BailingBen on June 22, 2012, 07:43:08 am
really the rust would be that deep
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: triumphjon on June 22, 2012, 07:50:41 am
quite possibly ,remembering the vessels surroundings , and the crossing it was making during its service period , as allan has sugested , go around to the cambers and look at the states of the " local " fishing fleet , make notes AND TAKE LOTS OF PHOTOS  for future reference on weathering rust !
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on June 28, 2012, 05:42:14 pm
Well, it went on the water at our display last weekend, and you know what? It didn't sink ( mind you it didn't submerge either, but that is still to come. ).
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Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: BailingBen on June 29, 2012, 11:15:39 am
the only problem was range just because I hadn't put a proper aireal on it which it now done.
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: triumphjon on June 29, 2012, 04:24:40 pm
why cut corners just to get on the water ?
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: BailingBen on June 29, 2012, 07:22:59 pm
every things in place, just waiting for ubn to get organized     {-)
Title: Re: weathering a type 7 u47 from robbie (by krafty ) masterclass (first attempt )
Post by: BailingBen on June 29, 2012, 08:19:49 pm
ok :-)) lets try again shall we ?       everything is drilled glued and in place i am just waiting or some insulATED PIPE  from unbuitnautilas but he is so disorganized he annoyingly  keeps forgetting    >>:-(    only joking  ;D (cheeky face)

and no it hasnt finished patience is a virtue the force will be with you soon young one
Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: BailingBen on June 29, 2012, 08:20:42 pm
and may i add the sub hasnt sunk and is fully oppy
Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on June 30, 2012, 10:30:05 am
http://www.theassociationofmodelsubmariners.com/t791-submarine-weathering-masterclass-by-alan-taylor
Heres one I did previously....
Painting the Red October to follow on this forum as soon as I get a chance to put it together, meanwhile Krafty needs to get the paintbrush out again. Lets see some dark washes and pencil plating detail next.
Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: BailingBen on July 03, 2012, 03:43:43 pm
will do ubn ta everyone
Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: Norseman on July 04, 2012, 10:00:17 am
Hi KK

I'm just interestested to see what you do and how it all works out.
Just do it at your own pace and in your chosen way and I'll keep looking into your thread.
I hope it all works out just the way you imagine it.

Dave
Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on July 04, 2012, 12:22:44 pm

I have moved Merriman's build to a separate thread.

ken

Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: armc40 on July 04, 2012, 12:25:47 pm
Thank you very much Ken....it WAS beginning to grate slightly

Bill
Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on July 04, 2012, 12:28:35 pm

My pleasure.   It wasn't easy and I'm sure there are some omission's.  I've removed irrelevant comments.  Feel free to add corrections if the thread doesn't flow right.

ken

Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: BailingBen on July 04, 2012, 04:18:51 pm
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Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: Norseman on July 04, 2012, 05:48:51 pm
Cheers for the KK - nice to see you back on the job.

Dave
Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: merriman on July 04, 2012, 07:09:14 pm
Now you're cooking.

David
Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on July 04, 2012, 08:15:13 pm

I like the rust lines. Very authentic.    :-))


ken

Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: BailingBen on July 07, 2012, 10:43:05 am
I went to get some of ubn pics and the ones I wanted sent there where are they ??
Title: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on July 07, 2012, 11:18:03 am

    Can you explain a bit more please.

ken


Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: BailingBen on July 07, 2012, 02:04:40 pm
Well, it went on the water at our display last weekend, and you know what? It didn't sink ( mind you it didn't submerge either, but that is still to come. ).
(http://s9.postimage.org/iw3nsrcyj/display_026.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/iw3nsrcyj/)

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i can see these ones but the post with me and the other submarine isnt there  {:-{  oh and when i said sent i meant arnt my phones predictive txt must of kicked in
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: Subculture on July 08, 2012, 05:03:53 pm
These need to be ballasted down to decks awash to dive realistically as a dynamic diver.

Any higher and they need stupid amounts of speed to get under. Unfortunately the waterline shown on the  box art is highly misleading.
Title: Re: Re: Weathering a Robbe U47 type 7 sub.... first attempt!
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on July 09, 2012, 08:56:44 am
These need to be ballasted down to decks awash to dive realistically as a dynamic diver.

Any higher and they need stupid amounts of speed to get under. Unfortunately the waterline shown on the  box art is highly misleading.

More ballast added yesterday, in a fresh water tank. followed by a trip to the local salt water lake. The model nearly submerged on the one working motor. It should have more than ample power with both motors working. We needed to be sure the model was waterproof before adding any more ballast, now those pesky leaks seen to be sorted we can get a bit more ballast on board.
The missing photos from our last display.
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