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Title: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 02, 2012, 03:13:53 pm
Well here goes nothing
 I'm about to start my first build with wood at least I've just orderd the wood pack from traplet but as I'm a bit new to scale builds we're would be the best place to get the fittings ? It's 1/24 scale
I'm yet to find which TID I will build but I do know she will be painted in grey
Also I'm thinking about using a 55 turn crawler motor as these are high toque low speed cans has this been done or am I barking up the wrong tree ??

Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: TailUK on July 02, 2012, 03:27:29 pm
Don't forget there were some cosmetic differences between the first 30-40 TIDs (coal burners) and the remainder (oil burners).  CBs had 2 large coaling manholes either side of the superstructure and a smaller manhole in the bow just forward of the anchor winch.  OBs had a single small manhole, just aft of the bridge ladders and 2 largish rectangular hatches on the bulkhead either side of the superstructure abeam the funnel.
Oil Burners also had a slightly different hatch position on the rear superstructure, the crew access hatches were further forward closer to the skylights. HTH
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 02, 2012, 04:20:04 pm
Thanks TailUK loads of info there I've just got home to sit and study the drawings/plans :-)
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: DaveB on July 03, 2012, 06:47:54 pm
Hi i'm just about to start a 1/24th T.I.D and found this site.
http://www.battlecrafts.co.uk/index.php/deck-fittings
Hope it's some help Dave
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 03, 2012, 07:57:39 pm

Good on you A71, I'm going to follow this build with interest as I really like the look of this kit too.

Lots of pictures and post - don't worry, plenty of server space for you!   :-))


http://shop.traplet.com/product.aspx?c=3717
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 03, 2012, 10:07:43 pm
Thanks for the links guys i will be posting pictures as soon as the pack comes I will also be insting the help of my dad ( A66 ) as he is fantastic with working with wood

Ps he don't know it yet lol
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: TailUK on July 05, 2012, 10:48:00 am
I've been scratchbuilding my TID (when I can find the time) and found these sites interesting.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~tidtug/

http://www.medwaymaritimetrust.org.uk/pages/story01.htm

http://www.steamtugbrent.org/tid-tugs-history.html
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 05, 2012, 02:51:08 pm

How good are Traplet for supplying orders?

I didn't have much joy ordering through them yesterday, no answer on the phone (I don't like the idea of an "automatic / recorded ordering service" ) and no answer to emails.....   :((
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 05, 2012, 09:41:17 pm
I ordered the plan a few months ago and had it in a few days which is good but still waiting for the wood pack to arrive
Thanks TailUk for the links giving me food for thought
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 05, 2012, 10:34:28 pm
I ordered the plan a few months ago and had it in a few days which is good but still waiting for the wood pack to arrive
....

Hmmmm, I thought so.  :((
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: longshanks on July 05, 2012, 10:43:21 pm
Cornwall model boats carry a good range of fittings

http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/ship_fittings.html
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 06, 2012, 01:00:56 am
Tbh Martin I'm not to worried as I have a few things I need to finish of first but as long as I get them sooner rather than later  :-))
And thanks longshanks
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: dodes on July 09, 2012, 09:40:10 pm
Hi A71,
If you are still wondering which TID to model and want one painted grey, a book listing all the TID's in Naval service is "Fifty Years of Naval Tugs by Bill Hannan", ISBN 0 907771 25 4. As not all TID's entered Naval service.
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 10, 2012, 12:01:49 am
Hi dodes thanks for the link :-) and yes I've been looking around the web to find as much info as I can but I will have to order one
I got my head around the plan the other day looks like I might be casting some parts up in resin to speed the build up a little looking forward to getting my teeth into something that's a little out of my comfort zone but I've been modeling for 20 odd years now ( blame my Dad lol ) so hope it should go ok and pick up some new skills on the way

But I'm still waiting for the wood pack :-(
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 10, 2012, 12:16:21 am
Also just orderd the above book :-)
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 10, 2012, 10:27:53 am
Yay my post man :-)
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 10, 2012, 10:45:26 am
Well after opening the box here's what's inside  %)
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/d2d4618a.jpg)
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/15a6f8ab.jpg)
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/141b2459.jpg)
First thing I thought was wow burnt wood smells funky and second why do I have so many formers ??? Turns out I need to double them up which I think is a bit over kill but them I'm kind of used to making things as light as poss
So far I'm impressed with what I have saves a lot of cutting ect
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: TailUK on July 10, 2012, 10:55:17 am
The double formers are necessary.  Rather than planking you're going to pull large pieces of ply around the formers so there's a bit more strain involved.  When I was skinning my 1:35th scale TID I noticed how easily the formers were "de-formed" until I could get clamps on and push everything back to the correct shape.
(http://s13.postimage.org/6kk6z2n0j/DSCF0648.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6kk6z2n0j/)

Doesn't really show the strain on the formers but does give an impression of the shaped plywood skins.
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: scoop on July 10, 2012, 11:01:11 am
Well here goes nothing
 I'm about to start my first build with wood at least I've just orderd the wood pack from traplet but as I'm a bit new to scale builds we're would be the best place to get the fittings ? It's 1/24 scale
I'm yet to find which TID I will build but I do know she will be painted in grey
Also I'm thinking about using a 55 turn crawler motor as these are high toque low speed cans has this been done or am I barking up the wrong tree ??


Hi John, yer barking up the wrong tree mate.....stick a Zenoah or an ASP nitro in it  {-) {-) {-) :}
Cheers
Scoop
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: essex2visuvesi on July 10, 2012, 11:02:22 am
How is the quality of the wood and cutting?
Like the look of the gentlemans racer/runabout they do on there
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 10, 2012, 11:46:01 am
 
I'll have to look at the article again, those holes in the bulkheads look very small for machinery spaces.....
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 10, 2012, 12:06:35 pm
Dry fit lol the cutting looks ok bit of cleaning up to do but all look ok
And thanks scoop that would make it the fastest tid in the south  O0
Thanks tailuk I was wondering if they had messed up and sent me 2 kits  %%

(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/e99e6ecc.jpg)
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/84f33124.jpg)

And yes Martin they do look small I will post some more pictures later after I finish work  :((
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: essex2visuvesi on July 10, 2012, 12:10:57 pm
Something to bear in mind... glue does not like trying to stick to the black bits so you need to sand the surfaces prior to gluing
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 10, 2012, 01:48:30 pm
I got straight through to Traplet today.
They have one in stock.
I've ordered it... Paypal.
We'll see how long it takes!.......
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 10, 2012, 02:32:48 pm
I did wonder about that I worked in a model shop about 7 years ago now and there was and I'm sure still is debates about the black stuff but to be sure I will make sure it's all sanded

Are you also building one Martin ?

I will be casting some parts up in resin if there any good I will send you some  :-))
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 10, 2012, 04:46:03 pm

Are you also building one Martin ?

I will be casting some parts up in resin if there any good I will send you some  :-))

Excellent! thanks.

Yes,  SAND OFF   the burn marks....
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4024.msg70821#msg70821
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2830.msg39430#msg39430
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: Netleyned on July 10, 2012, 04:59:41 pm

I'll have to look at the article again, those holes in the bulkheads look very small for machinery spaces.....

Looks even less assembled.

Ned

Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 10, 2012, 05:24:52 pm
I think the only bit is the rudder that I would like to keep scale in the mag the builder had to build a box to cover the servo ect I'm hoping to keep it below deck level unless I'm feeling keen I could always do as per the full size via chains  :o

Thanks for the links Martin  :-))
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: TailUK on July 10, 2012, 06:23:11 pm
I think the only bit is the rudder that I would like to keep scale in the mag the builder had to build a box to cover the servo ect I'm hoping to keep it below deck level unless I'm feeling keen I could always do as per the full size via chains  :o

Thanks for the links Martin  :-))

The rudder quadrant is exposed on the prototypes and concealed with a grating.  If you look at "George's TID build"

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13720.0    which, apart from making you feel a little inadequate,  shows the rudder arrangement pretty well.  As I'm building a much smaller scale there was little or no chance of my putting the rudder works between the decks so I went with this.


(http://s18.postimage.org/8rvvq0cdx/DSCF0680.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8rvvq0cdx/)

The rudder quadrant is attached to a sail winch drum using Pike fishing line (nylon coated stainless steel) The line runs through 4mm square brass tubes fixed to the deck, The prototype also had box section running to the stern. I pushed some very small diameter plastic tube through the brass to prevent the metal edges fraying the lines. I will use a laser cut grating to hide the "gubbins".

Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 10, 2012, 06:36:55 pm
Very nice tailuk and thanks for the info what scale are you building ?

I'm thinking of extending the rudder post up through the deck and doing the same as you but having the servo connected under the deck on top I'm thinking of running chain through the box section but having elastic on each end hidden if you know what I mean  %%

Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: TailUK on July 11, 2012, 08:38:48 am
Sounds like a good plan.  Building in 1:24th scale there should be plenty of room.  I'm building mine in 1:35th scale so I didn't have enough space.  The idea of dummy chains returned by elastic is clever and should fit the bill.
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 11, 2012, 09:44:16 am
Thanks tailuk after talking to the man in the know we might even make it working but there's a few things I need to sort before I get to that stage
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 11, 2012, 11:19:46 pm
As I'm used to propshafts for race boats but what do you scale boys suggest is my best bet for a scale tug ??

Also I wouldn't mind lights and sound is the Action sound system the thing to go for ??
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: Stavros on July 11, 2012, 11:42:46 pm
Shafts off Steve Model Boat bits or Mark MMB both are dammed good suppliers and I use both of them to be honest with you,as for a sound system I personally use an ACTion P100 Nosiy thing in my Our lass and I cant fault is good quality and simple to use



Dave
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 11, 2012, 11:57:12 pm
Thanks Stavros  :-)) I plan on doing some building over the weekend :-)
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 12, 2012, 11:01:09 pm
Well I've cleared some room in my messy workshop/ studio here's some pictures
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/1ff2e1b6.jpg)
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/4c414460.jpg)
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/7bf0f0c9.jpg)
I'm also a table top wargamer so that's what all the " mess " is
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: essex2visuvesi on July 13, 2012, 07:02:47 am
Do I spot a Tamiya Tractor unit in the last pic?
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 13, 2012, 07:06:13 am
You do indeed bit of a unfinished project it's the aero max but the paint went funny  :((
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 13, 2012, 08:26:56 am
As I have a day off work today I thought I might start but here's a question should I glue the formers together then sand down the burnt edges or sand them all then glue ?? There's now burnt bits on the gluing face  :-)
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 13, 2012, 10:34:34 am
 
Light sanding only, don't make the joints loose.   :-))
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 13, 2012, 02:28:14 pm
Well so far half the formers are glued and the front half of the keel then mr postman came with my book   :}
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 16, 2012, 11:49:26 pm
Well all the formers are glued together and so is the back half of the keel I've measured up the prop shaft and to get the motor to we're I want it I'm going to need a 12" shaft
Only down side is I'm going to have to cut into the keel to let the motor sit far enough down as it looks like the shaft runs almost flat
Now should I cut the prop shaft hole but not all the way through and glue some doubles to each side then once planked finish the hole via drill and file

Also what motor should I use the ideas was to use a 540 55 turn from the crawler type rc cars or should I bite the bullet and order a 500 on gearbox ??
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: essex2visuvesi on July 17, 2012, 05:53:55 am
You do indeed bit of a unfinished project it's the aero max but the paint went funny  :((

well at least you have all the running gear to make a nice Deans DUKW there
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 17, 2012, 07:16:59 am
 
well at least you have all the running gear to make a nice Deans DUKW there

I also started making a low car ( modified truck low and long USA style ) using the king hauler
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: essex2visuvesi on July 17, 2012, 07:25:55 am
Im still trying to find a used tamiya truck chassis for a sensible price
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 22, 2012, 09:24:08 pm
Well bit of an update I've orderd the propshaft and hope to get it in the next few days . Me and the wife unit went away for the weekend to Kent so after a bit googling I found that TID 164 is moored up at Chatham historic docks so with a bit of arm bending we went to have a look. All was great until I was told to go some were else by the staff so we ended up seeing MT Kent had a look around onboard grabbed a few pictures which I will up load . Headed back to the historic dock went in and had a look. Well we found TID 164 unfortunately the chaps who are rebuilding her were just locking up but they invited me back down to go onboard and take some more pictures  :-))
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 22, 2012, 10:29:42 pm
Here is some of TID 164
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/th_IMG_2657.jpg) (http://s1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/?action=view&current=IMG_2657.jpg)
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/th_IMG_2656.jpg) (http://s1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/?action=view&current=IMG_2656.jpg)
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/th_IMG_2654.jpg) (http://s1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/?action=view&current=IMG_2654.jpg)
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/th_IMG_2653.jpg) (http://s1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/?action=view&current=IMG_2653.jpg)
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/th_IMG_2642.jpg) (http://s1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/A711982/?action=view&current=IMG_2642.jpg)

There's loads more but I will upload some more when I get onboard  :-))
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 24, 2012, 07:55:53 am
Got some more done last night and I think I've decided on making T.I.D 32
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on July 25, 2012, 02:10:59 am
Propshaft from MMB came today hope to get it in tonight :-)
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 28, 2012, 01:21:33 am
 
 :-)  Mine  -   www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg384912#msg384912 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg384912#msg384912)
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: john s 2 on July 28, 2012, 09:10:10 am
The Brent tug which is steam powered is moored at Maldon Essex Quay. You can walk right up to it. If you're lucky then you could be invited aboard. John.
Title: Re: TID Tug
Post by: A71 on August 03, 2012, 01:16:53 am
Little update things are moving very slowly as work have put me on the Olympics roster so I'm working lates :-( and I've just taken on another job as the manager of my local wargaming shop. But any way I've been having problems deciding what to power her with and I've decided to for for the mfa torpedo 500 on gear box 6.1 for a few reasons but as the one in the mag had one so shall mine
So I need to contact Mr Action as his site says he sells them.

As soon as I've got that sorted I'm going to drill for the rudder post and then I can get her jigged up on the board

Thanks for the messages and I hope Martin puts up a thread soon on his build