Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: RJR on August 11, 2012, 10:17:29 pm
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About 5or 6 weeks ago my Dad and I took a trip to Model Slipway and picked up a "Maggie M" kit. He is building a Model Slipway "Our Lass II" and very kindly purchased this for me so I would be a companion builder :)
I took a week or so to digest the manual then also had a week out taking 60 teenagers camping, but by fitting in an hour here and there have made significant progress. The next few posts will hopefully bring you up to date.
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And this last picture brings you up to date with today's progress.
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I realise as an older kit there may have been numerous threads about this kit, if there is any interest in this thread I will continue with more updates. The previous catch up posts have been picture heavy with little text, if you have any questions please feel free to ask
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It's looking very good so far - please keep posting progress!
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Nice looking build :-))
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Very nice job, keep the pictures coming. I really like the paint job.
Wilhelm
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Inside the wheelhouse ....
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Your workmanship is first class all the way keep it up, I am looking forward to seeing it on the water, Mick B.
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How did you do the floor of the wheelhouse... looks very nice
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irishcarguy... you're too kind
essex2visuvesi.. I drew lines to mark the plank edges with a pencil, then painted every other plank with a jar of "sleeper grime" enamel paint. The secret is to paint very badly but between the lines. Its a case of getting it streaky but in a uniform way, in line with the grain. The reason for every other plank? When you fill in the missing ones, any over paint just makes the first ones look darker, making the distinction more pronounced.
Tonight's update.
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The water slides added, and the wheelhouse window frames lined in green. The frames will need a bit of tidying up.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/59seatsandwheel.jpg)
Inside the seats are made painted and fitted.
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really taking shape , good job there :-))
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Thank you Stormbringer.
On one of the previous pictures I had part assembled the net winches, they got sprayed black last night, lightly weathered and assembled tonight.
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Between drying on the above, I assembled the white metal parts for various other winches and sprayed them blue. They will need all the details picking out in due time.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/63variouswinches.jpg)
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Thursday and Friday Mrs RJR and I took the youngest teenager and her friend camping to Bridlington. Had cracking weather on Thursday which made for a good day on the beach and more importantly a chance to wander around the harbour and nosey at the trawlers ;) Most of which had SH numbers.
At first glance they looked pretty pristine till you got alongside and it became apparent that rust is a big part of any working trawler no matter how shiny the wheelhouse looks from a distance !
So this afternoon I decided I couldn't leave Maggie with out a "light" weathering. I have started at the stern, the mid to forward section will need the handrails fitting before any rust is applied. I had already assembled the trawl boards so they were the starting point. They are only hanging on for theses pictures and need the chains fitting.
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It's starting to look like how I remember it.
As a Scarborough lad it brings back some memories. Should build one myself really but it wouldn't be as good as your's
Loving the rust stains, keep it up.
Ali
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I drew lines to mark the plank edges with a pencil, then painted every other plank with a jar of "sleeper grime" enamel paint. The secret is to paint very badly but between the lines. Its a case of getting it streaky but in a uniform way, in line with the grain. The reason for every other plank? When you fill in the missing ones, any over paint just makes the first ones look darker, making the distinction more pronounced.
I don't know how I missed seeing this nice build - anyway it will be all the better when you finish your weathering.
and that was a nice clear explanation you gave - even I could follow it O0 {-) I like simple.
Dave
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Ali, if it looks like you remember her I must be getting something right.
Dave, thanks for finding and following my thread.
Tonight's update.. I have spent the last few days working on the mast and anchor. The spare anchor still needs a coat of paint and I guess it will look a little "newer"
Now I have made the decision to weather I am doing it as I go along rather than leaving all to the end.
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What an amazingly cool model !
I Very much envy your ability to GO TO Model Slipway and meet with those fine people !
I live in California, I have bought several Model Slipways kits and have had many emails with them, but to meet them would be Great fun.
Well done !
Tim
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Thanks Tim, it was a interesting visit to Model Slipway, you don't expect such a well set up business behind a domestic bungalow.
We were treated like royalty on a tour and shown all the processes from castings to packing. If anyone thinks a model kit is expensive, you don't after seeing how labour intensive the production is.
This is my first Slipway kit but my Dad has built the 10 hatch coaster, Wyforce tug, Aziz and is currently building Our Lass 2.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yu56F4btqCg/TI3Rwp3PdrI/AAAAAAAAAGM/97D6L01I2Es/s1600/long_shot_Coaster.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yu56F4btqCg/TJHoStXow_I/AAAAAAAAAJE/8oY2-Nvk4X4/s1600/winnerofthesept2008clubnightphotocomp_110908.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YOrXqqYZ9Z0/TxZ29pd8jRI/AAAAAAAABxg/sswcw0bRulI/s1600/Maiden+voyage+2009.jpg)
I'm working on him to start a thread here for his current Our Lass build, but he cheats, he has a little helper ;)
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RJR that little figure looks Quite good !
Where did you get that wee Chap ?
And, another question:
I am looking at the rudder construction, looks complex to me ( double hinged ? ) ..
Did you Gents experience difficulty in making it operate smoothly ?
Tim ( in California )
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The figure is a "converted" Tamiya pit crew member that I gave a milliput hi vis vest and a more appropriate paint job.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/G%20scale%20indoors/SDC15989.jpg)
He served his time working for me with some 1/24 railway scratchbuilds
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/garden%20railway/SDC17290.jpg)
But as my last boat was 1/12th and this one is 1/32 he has moved to Dads house to help with the 1/24 Our Lass construction
The rudder went together really easy as most Model Slipway castings do. These close ups may help.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/Becker1.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/Becker2.jpg)
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Hi RJR
Yes I liked the figure too, quite realistic - but I think he showing us his gout toe {-)
Dave
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Gutted Dave !!!
All this time I thought he was paying an interest in our modelling...
He gained quite a cult status on a well known model railway forum. There was even concern for his well being when I posted this picture!
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I'm happy to report all was well, it was just a bad case of a wobbly baseboard.. :}
Ps the reason for this non progressing banter, I'm on holiday in bonnie Scotland :-)
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Too many Stout Ale's ....
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Tanglefoot Methinks
Ned
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Classic picture that has prompted a few "captions" {-)
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As a side note Dad and I have added a thread here in working vessels for his Our Lass II build
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Its always easier to model things when you understand what they are and how they work. Despite spending hours surfing the net I can't find anything relating to " net pools " . Maggie has two long thin net pools down either side of the aft deck behind the net drums. What are they for? Emptying the nets into? Soaking the nets in? Draining the nets? Most pictures I have found don't seem to suggest many trawlers have them?
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Storing nets that are not on the drums RJR , ie spares when the working net is damaged they can shoot the other stored net and carry on trawling while repairing the other
Could also be where they haul the net into when running it through the powerblock rather than taking it onto netdrum
if you look at the stern of some boats with open decks you can still sea ponds for storing nets usually at deck level aft of the net drums oor powerblocks
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Thanks for that, wbeedie.. makes sense now
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No probs , wished I could have given a definitive answer but not having seen the vessel in the flesh doesnt help but those were the probables
Willie
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A very informative thread and a quality build!
Keep up the good work, John and all the Diddy men
Bob
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Nice looking build and boat. The Maggie M or Our Lass are on my list of future builds. Yours looks great.
Bruce
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Thanks Bruce...
I will soon be back from Scotland and the build can continue. The wiring has been done it just needs plugging in then I think it will be time to get her in the bath for ballasting. The plan is to run from a 6v 10AmpH battery which will add 1.8kg. I have a second dead battery that refuses to charge ( old age ) which I can use as another 1.8kg at the opposite end , then make up the difference.
Duckie has been experimenting with some vertical blind weights that we salvaged for his Our Lass build, which seem quite promising. They are easy to handle , and easy to store in a compartment in the hull, also easy to adjust to trim.
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I'm back in action and work has resumed !
Last night the electrics were added, a straight forward receiver , ESC , Servo setup. Then it was into the bath for ballasting. My plans to use a dead battery as ballast are not going to work, as I cant find space at the back where I can get the weight low enough. So its back to lead from a church roof ! I must clarify I do maintenance on a lot of church buildings as my day job, so I get odds and ends of lead legitimately ! In the next two pics she is sitting too high with the aide of a couple of cans of chopped tomatoes to weigh her down (242g each)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/80bathtest.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/81bathtest.jpg)
At various points today I have assembled and painted the power block, which is now fitted.
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I will have to get my head around the handrails next.
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What outstanding weathering, real talent shown here.
I Must build one of these at some point !
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Thank you god your kind words Tim
Tonight I had a spare hour so started what I have been dreading ... The handrails !
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Hi RJR, they look well done to me, have you glued them on ?. Mick B.
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Ok, the pitfalls of iPhone auto correct, my last post should have read " thank you for your kind words Tim" I wasn't getting all evangelical on you all !!
Mick yes they are super glued on.
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The rails are looking good, nice and neat!
Duckie
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Thanks Dad :)
Hand rails nearly all stuck on
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/82rails.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/83rails.jpg)
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(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/85rails.jpg)
I found this the trickiest bit of the build as each of the 3 horizontal rails for every section was a slightly different shape to the one above or below it.
I know some people make them removable to allow for spraying, but in the end I decided that for me it would be easier to had paint them in situ rather than get them to hold a shape then refit them.
Ps does any one know how to make a thread have more than one page, this is getting a bit long to scroll !
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Don't knock it RJR, I'm sure with a build of this calibre people won't mind scrolling down to your next part of this very nice First Kit Build, there again I'm slightly biased.
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In between puppy minding and assisting at a BBQ for 200 hungry teenagers today I managed to get a few coats of white on the handrails. I think they probably need at least one more coat to make the white "solid"
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/86paintedrails.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/87paintedrails.jpg)
Then they will get a quick satin lacquer spray followed by a dose of rusting.
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Hello John
Those handrails look lovely......Nice and straight in all directions.......Handrails maketh the boat
It's a shame to add the rust!
Bob
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May you be forgiven for that EMBC, I thought you always liked weathering on your boat!.
I thought I might do a bit of weathering on my OL2 this time and there you are changing your mind.
Duckie
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Looks good even on an iPhone in Malta with dodgy wifi O0
I like weathering on fishing vessels - Malta has lots and all seem to be well rusted
.....Page length is auto set I think.
Dave
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well its page 2 now :-))
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With the matt white applied to the handrails by brush (about 4 coats) then dusted over with clear lacquer to seal and give a uniform finish, it was time for some weathering. The colouring will look better in natural light and it still need some dabs of darker rust in places.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/88weatheredrails.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/90weatheredrails.jpg)
Next up, having looked at some pictures of a power block I realised that as provided the kit is two square, the real thing creates a rubber V for the net to be run through. Here it is as built from the kit
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/91powerblock.jpg)
While replacing a toilet ball valve washer for work I realised the washer was the solution,
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/92toiletballvalvewasher.jpg)
With a little trimming round the outside and the centre cut out it made a nice rubber chamfer like this.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/93powerblock.jpg)
It should look okay by the time there is some net on it.
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Over the past couple of days I have been tinkering with bits and bobs
Lettering on the radar dome.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/95%20furuno_zpsbb31446b.jpg)
Additional details on the deck, the new bits are mainly the black ones.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/96%20deck_zpsf2db57fc.jpg)
Life boats
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/97%20lifeboat_zpse1bf38c3.jpg)
The trawl boards are now chained and attached too
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/98%20trawl%20boards_zps8632d60a.jpg)
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I have folowed your build with great interest, and like your sense of details and weathering. I just want to draw your attention to the rigging of the trawl doors which does not look correct. If you look at some of the photos in the link below you will see that the doors in real life is rigged with a three point bridle on either side - the bridle on the outside of the doors angle goes to the trawl wire, and the bridle of the inside of the angle goes to the trawl itself.
http://www.dmbl.dk/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=71&rowstart=20
Sorry to interfere - only thinks that such a nice build deserves to be rigged the correct way.
Kind regards Niels Hansen
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Thank you for following along and taking the time to share some information Niels, my knowledge of trawlers is limited to what I have gleaned while building this ( hence not a lot ). Spent ages trying to work out how to rig the trawl boards. I even went to a harbour ony to find most were stored on board unrigged, not hanging. Every picture I can find of the real Maggie is to unclear or it working as a Guard vessel. In the end I made it up. Thanks for the link I will try and get my head around the pics and rework mine to suit.
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(http://s15.postimage.org/ox686glxj/IMG_0169.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ox686glxj/)
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Hope that my cardboard door will give you an idea of the rigging.
Same thing both sides of the door, but mirrorred, meaning that you have a vertical chain in either end of the door.
The line going out of the picture is the trawl wire going to the trawl winch, and the 3 legged bridle is chain.
On the back side the wire could be a piece of rope of taifun wire long enough to reach the net drum to be connected to the end of the trawl lines when trawl has been rolled out.
Sorry about my grammer, but English is not my mother tongue.
Niels
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That's really helpfull thank you ! And as a second language your English is excellent.
Perhaps you can help with another question , as the last picture of the aft of the model shows, the boat has two net drums, but the only winch that is visible Is the one on the wheelhouse roof. ( remember I said I knew nothing of the real thing ) either that is not the net winch and they are somewhere out of sight or the boat is designed for single net trawling with a spare net on a drum?
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I am a former trawler captain myself - stopped 25 years ago, but still have an idea how it works.
I would think that the wire winches are located under the aft upper deck as they are not to be seen. The small winch on the wheelhouse roof is for sure the winch for the "trawl eye" cable. I am not sure about the english name, in Denmark we called it a "net sonde". It is a echo sounder transducer attached to the opening of the trawl, then a long cable to the winch on the roof connected to a monitor on the bridge, allowing the skipper to see if any fishes goes into the trawl. This winch automatically keeps the correct tension on the cable when in use. This cable could easily be as long as 300 to 400 fathoms.
The vessel could be rigged for single or dubble trawling. Single trawling means one spare net drum. Dubble means no spare. Both systems needs two trawl doors, and if dubble trawling you would have a chain weght, say 300 kg between the two trawls, and the a third wire winch for the middle trawl wire.
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Happy to help
Niels
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74JPxAXEsQ4&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL0Wp0E_tZY&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSqIFmzqI1o&feature=channel
Three links to videos showing how the trawl doors are working.
Niels
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This is all very informative, thanks again. watching your video link I see now that the trawl door chains need to be rigged in such a way that the doors create the correct affect to part the trawl keeping the mouth of it open, the three chain bridle keeps the door angle correct in the water.
Would I be correct in assuming that the feed from the trawl wire under the aft deck could reasonable be seen to come out from either gantry and through the block as I currently have them, then connected to the doors. the bridle from the opposite side of the doors would then be fed round the aft of the boat and along the aft deck to the trawl on its drum. As per this marked up picture but with the door rigging corrected.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/98trawlboardslayout_zps09cc05ea.jpg)
Red lines - under deck winch to trawl doors
Blue Lines - trawl doors to trawl
I will have to modify the trawl doors as they currently have 4 lugs on one side (concave) and only two on the other side (convex)
On a different note while getting my head around the above I have had some relaxing working on the lifeboat cannisters
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(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/100lifeboat2_zps81bf99c7.jpg)
John
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really coming on and looking excellent :-))
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John,
It could be that the wires goes through the gantries to the deck. If so there would be a steel pipe say 150 - 200 mm diameter (dimensions in scale 1:1) build into the gantry to lead the wire.
I am not sure if I should read your blue lines as double lines or single ones, anyway it should be only a single line from each trawl door.
Niels
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Is there anything across the opening in the rails on the Port side, to stop men being washed overboard!, like you not very conversant with fishing boats, but seeing the TV programs its very rough in the fishing area's, never mind paying the price for fish and chips after seeing them programs.
Good modelling, how about showing your Plasticard trains on the Any Other Hobbies section?.
Duckie
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John
Your model is lovely, super and splendid
You`ve added the rust, but.........What about the muck and grime in every nook and cranny?
It`s a bit too clean at the moment
Bob
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Niels, the double blue line was just me being over enthusiastic with the "electronic" pen. I had planned on them being single. another question if you don't mind. With the doors rigged as discussed they would then hang differently on the side of the boat, almost 90 degrees from as they are now. Do the doors hang purely by the chains or are they hung on a bracket as well to stop them clattering. If on a bracket the chain could be modelled loose and the doors kept as is.
Duckie, the gap in the rail is where a gate goes, but to be honest it looks like a standard rail that can be folded down onto the deck. when in the "up position" it just looks like a continuation of the rail either side.
Bob, towards the end it will get a bit of a "dirty wash" Unlike rust, I find dirt more general, while still adding new details if it is toned down at this stage the new bits would stand out !
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John,
When at the fishing grounds the doors are released and hanging in the bridles - in a 60 degree angle or so, ready to be run out.
When not in use during steaming to and from the fishing grounds the doors are lashed in the position you have placed them, so that is OK as you have done.
Often you would see a rope across the deck between the two doors for the lashing.
What made me react was just the missing bridles, which disturbed my eyes. Apart from that minor detail everything looks really good.
Niels
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Just to make it all clear. The bridle you will see when the doors are in the lashed position will be the one leading to the net drums, the one leading to the trawl winch will be just hanging on the inner side of the door between the door and the bulwarks.
Niels
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Attempt 2 ... after my lessons from Niels I have reworked the trawl board rigging with what I believe better reflects how they should be. The boards now also have lashings to hole them in place whilst under steam to appropriate fishing grounds.
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Whilst in the sunlight I also took the chance for a couple of front end gratuitous shots, including the new chain on the top of the jib.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/105lifeboatsoutdoorshot_zps5a18d7b9.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/106foredeck_zpsb53cf37c.jpg)
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Hopefully I have got it right now.
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Just as should be :-)).
Niels
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Just as should be :-)).
Niels
THANKS :}
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Looking very nice John, hope you are putting it into the building competition at the club this year?, I know you will be adding detail to the build for weeks to come though.
Those life-rafts look very neat with the straps holding them in place, It all looks good but the attention to detail with those life rafts caught my eye.
Duckie
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Anything else done recently??
Duckie
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Sorry for the lack of updates ! On our way home from Holiday we collected this little fur ball..
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So a lot of evenings have started with the intention of doing some modelling and have ended with playing with a puppy instead....
But this week has seen some progress. The glazing is now in, but thanks to the canopy glue Duckie lent to me you can hardly see its in !!
I have also painted and fitted this little Side Roller Assembly, which involved chopping out the two lower hand rails, I hadn't realised they shouldn't be there.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/108siderollers.jpg)
The ladders to the roof and associated roof hand rail are fitted and painted
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The main hatch front deck rails are fitted and painted too.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/110foredeckhandrails.jpg)
In theory she is now ready to go on the lake, having been ballasted and wired for some time now. I will see how brave I am and what the weather is like this Saturday.
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Shouldn't it smell of fish John? O0 {-)
Dave
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The section of rail you have missing should be continuous
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It does smell of fish ! 1/32 fish !
Dave, if you mean the missing section of side rail, that your little man is looking at, its where the fold down gate section goes, I haven't got round to making that bit yet ;)
If you mean the third side of the centre deck hatch, behind the little guy, that's artistic licence, as one side of the rails is part of the removable battery access hatch and the other is on the fixed deck, connecting with a third side between the two is a bit tricky. I may end up using a chain so it can be unhooked.
With the possibility of taking the puppy and the boat to the lake this weekend, I thought I best double check the ballasting after the recent addition of white metal details and also make a final check i had no leaks ! In the end I just needed to transfer one small bit of lead ballast from stbd to port to trim things out a bit. Ran the motor for a few minutes and had no visible leaks up the prop shaft. She is not complete but ready for sea (lake) trials.
Here she is in the bath tonight.
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Just looked at this build; I hate people with talent ;). Wonderfull craftsmanship, love what you have done with the pilot house, and the weathering :-)). Keep it coming.
Mark
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As you say John, you knew that the rails round the hatch would have to be a bit of a mock up when you put the extra hatch in the front didn't you, the chain across would be the answer if nothing else springs to mind!.
Mark which way the battery goes in as sometimes they are heavier one way than the other and could upset your balance.
Duckie
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As anticipated and hoped Saturday came with no rain, so the planned maiden voyage took place.
I loaded Maggie and the puppy in the car and Mrs RJR and our youngest came along too
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/115loadedinthecar.jpg)
We met my dad (Duckie on here) at the Lake with his camera. he also provided the champaign for the launch !
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/SAM_1676.jpg)
Having established she wasn't about to sink to the bottom I cautiously cast off.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/SAM_1671.jpg)
With a gentle motor hum from deep in the hull Maggie came to life and began to power herself away from the landing stage
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/SAM_1670.jpg)
Then with an increase of power she was off to join the ducks and geese across the lake
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Handling was excellent thanks to the Becker rudder and she could muster a good turn of speed
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/SAM_1668.jpg)
Mrs RJR taking the helm, I would have brushed my hair if I had known I was going to be in the pictures
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/SAM_1677.jpg)
Although the lakes cafe proved more of an attraction for my two ladies
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While testing her out we had a minor hiccup, after about 10 minutes she came to a halt about 15' from the landing stage and wouldn't respond. Initial thoughts were a loose universal to motor shaft connection as we could hear motor noise. Duckie gallantly rowed out in the clubs rescue boat and towed Maggie back in. Turns out my engineering was not called into question.. The prop had dragged some polythene bag into the kortz nozzle and left her with no propulsion. After untangling the obstruction she was back in the water and running fine again.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/120Etherowfirstsail.jpg)
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To all that have followed this thread Thankyou. To Duckie who bought me the kit as a wedding anniversary present THANK YOU. Maggie is not complete, she still has several details to add but she is now a working part of my little fleet. A video will follow very shortly with more updates of the detailing will follow in the coming weeks
John
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As promised a Video of Maggies Maiden Voyage
http://youtu.be/su8W9XmDOxU?hd=1 (http://youtu.be/su8W9XmDOxU?hd=1)
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She does sit well and look good on the water.
Bob
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Smashing job Mr T. What a pleasant video. Boating at it's best. :-))
ken
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At the risk of boring, a few pictures of yesterday from my camera. The last batch were taken by Duckie
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(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/118Etherowfirstsail.jpg)
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(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/116Headingout.jpg)
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I spotted the little botte at the launch - nice touch :-))
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looks really good on the water :-))
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Noooooooooooo ................
Sorry - I spotted your little bottle - not your little botte :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
Phew - just closing the closet door again - close call there
Dave
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that came out great man
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Congrats :-)). Wonderful job. Wish the shipping wasn't so high, I'd love to have one of those here.
Mark
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Not posted for a while, life has taken over from modelling but that happens sometimes. I did sail Maggie a couple of weeks ago and thought you might like to see a shot of her docked.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/johntealon30/Maggie%20M/MaggieM.jpg)
I need to get a bit of motivation and get cracking on adding some more of the details, like the nets !
Question... Nearly every model of Maggie I have seen has the nets draped over the power block. Given her condition of trawl doors rigged and hanging out what would be an appropriate way of modelling the nets.
Stored on the drums
One on the drum one being wound on the drum via the power block from the net pool
Thoughts?
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The previous Maggie M post have been retrospective, from now on they are current.
Last week I took Maggie to the Etherow Model Boat Club meeting, it was the annual building competition and I thought I'd enter her for a bit of fun. I don't think she will win anything, having seen the standard, but you never know.
I had hoped that I would get an evening to do some detailing before the judging, but it didn't happen. I did however get a couple of hours over the weekend. As the picture above shows Maggie now has nets !!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tun2quvvLv4/UKqdcadIc3I/AAAAAAAACkg/FIZrNzmBeFI/s320/IMG_1720.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LwIKPW95epQ/UKqdmf7HvrI/AAAAAAAACko/Qm-K8-iRvhg/s320/IMG_1721.JPG)
The string of buoys in the first picture are retaining chains from the bottom of vertical blinds, clips trimmed and painted yellow and orange.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-q4XXrTdfHg8/UKqd_kCydiI/AAAAAAAAClI/F3wPUWNd0Ec/s640/IMG_1725.JPG)
I also added fixed and flexible piping to the Powerblock
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Some of the rigging on the mast and boom
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_84FMHcJrB0/UKqeFw3mM2I/AAAAAAAAClQ/YQndeamkN8k/s320/IMG_1726.JPG)
Its a shame these bits weren't done before judging but that's what happens when li
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Very nice. :-))
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Like the net buoys look just big enough without being over the top, same as the weathering, just enough without covering the excellent build.
As you say shame you couldn't get some more detailing before the judging, but family should always come first hey!.
Duckie
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she is looking great mate and of course theres always next comp :-))
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Its a shame these bits weren't done before judging but that's what happens when li
Yes, I do see you are short on time :)
Nice work - I'm all in favour of weathering models, otherwise they just look to me like, well, models.
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RJR won 2 x 3rd prizes at the club awards night, 1 for his Semi scratch built day fishing boat and 1 for this Maggie M build, not bad for his first year in boat building I would say, there again I'm biased.
He has yet to post his bits he didn't get round to doing before the judging, which could have made a differance hey, your slipping John!.
Duckie.
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Hi RGR
Love your build, just about to start Maggie May. Looked at your paintwork, could you advise what paint you used and what colours, Slipway way state Humbrol but don't give any colour numbers, once again a great build
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A first class build RJR & very thrusting to let the boss sail her, you must be planning something subversive but I won't ask, whats next on the agenda. Keep us posted & thanks again for sharing, Mick B.
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Will you take on another fishing vessel? I have enjoyed following this one.
Dave
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great build
we stored our spare nets in the net rack ( under cover ) so they don't wash over board in bad weather
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I know this is quite an old post but I'm finding it very useful as I embark on my Maggie M build. I'm a complete novice in this area never having built a boat before. The thing that is bugging me right now is how best to make provision for access into the hull of the completed model so that the battery can be taken in/out, the control gear can be adjusted and the ballasting can be set up whilst at the same time making all of the decking and superstructure securable when sailing.
I wonder if anyone can provide advice and/ or photos of how it's done?
Any contributions would be most welcome.
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Sorry for the delay in getting back to you ROTR I cut an extra hatch in the foredeck in front of the wheelhouse it has the forward hatch built onto the additional hatch
http://rjrmodels.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/maggie-m-deck.html (http://rjrmodels.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/maggie-m-deck.html)
The build log is documented on a blog
http://rjrmodels.blogspot.co.uk/p/maggie-m-build-log.html (http://rjrmodels.blogspot.co.uk/p/maggie-m-build-log.html)
If you have any other question drop me an email johntealon30@yahoo.com