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Title: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 15, 2012, 11:07:43 am
Anybody tell me the difference between a laptop, a netbook and a notebook, please?


Ta,



Rich
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Circlip on August 15, 2012, 11:16:39 am
Not a lot, but your wallet/cheque book/credit card will    :-))    {-)

  Regards   Ian.
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: catengineman on August 15, 2012, 11:26:58 am
Manufacture choice of name
bit like calling a mini by Riley elf..
Though in most cases you will find that the LAPTOP will have a full keyboard with numeric key pad where as the net-book note-pad have only the querty keys and the numeric s are under a function option.
I believe. :-)
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 15, 2012, 11:36:18 am
 
Laptop = full product. Desktop in a portable format. usually has CD / DVD drive built in.

NoteBook = Small laptop, usually reduced functionality / speed... very popular with self important managers!

Netbooks = Similar / same as NoteBooks but aimed primarily at Internet use.

Ipads, Addroiod & Tablets = netbooks with touch input screens.



Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 15, 2012, 11:44:34 am

Laptop = full product. Desktop in a portable format. usually has CD / DVD drive built in.

NoteBook = Small laptop, usually reduced functionality / speed... very popular with self important managers!

Netbooks = Similar / same as NoteBooks but aimed primarily at Internet use.

Ipads, Addroiod & Tablets = netbooks with touch input screens.


Although some laptops you might not want on your lap for long without the manufacturers asbestos trouser accessory, as most of the high end laptops throw out a considerable amount of heat (High end processors and video cards get very hot when operating under and degree of load) and some of the ventilation designs are laughable shall we say
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 15, 2012, 11:45:48 am
Aha..it begins to make sense.

Scenario: I have a widescreen laptop on my desk, hooked up to scanner/printer, mouse, external hard drive, etc.

During the evenings I transfer myself from my desk to the sofa to watch tv, but I like to take the laptop with me to keep an eye on the forums, and chat online to the good lady...so I have to disconnect everything in order to do so, and then move everything back at bedtime. A pain in the proverbial...

What I'm contemplating is buying a smaller laptop/netbook/notebook etc purely for the use as above, something around a 10" screen, maybe a touch bigger. Just to keep an eye on the AMS forum, MBM forum, Facebook,  and 'er in Canada.

Any recommendations chaps? Not too expensive, I'm only a poor old pensioner nowadays...


Ta,



Rich

Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: catengineman on August 15, 2012, 11:53:17 am
You could get a net-book with wifi then set up a network so you can use your other items from your net-book while resting.
or you could get something like a Tablet with wifi (samsung do one which is quite good)
just my opinion
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 15, 2012, 12:02:21 pm
I do have a tablet (an Archos 8o G9) which is a great little piece of kit, but it doesn't like Facebook for some reason. It has WiFi, as does my laptop, both of which work perfectly with my BT Home Hub, but the tablet (apart  from disliking Facebook) hasn't got a copy and paste facility, hence the contemplation of a Netbook.
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: catengineman on August 15, 2012, 12:08:02 pm
I do have a tablet (an Archos 8o G9) which is a great little piece of kit, but it doesn't like Facebook for some reason. 

Seems quite an intelligent piece of equipment there  :-))

If you get a net book you will have to make sure it is loaded with an OS that is NOT basic as that OS is almost as much use as a chocolate fire guard IMO
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 15, 2012, 12:17:16 pm
The tablet has Android 4.0 installed with Ice Cream Sandwich (don't even think about it...  ;D)...it is a clever little thing, apart from using the BT WiFi, I also have a 3G dongle for it on the 3 network which is ideal for portable use when I'm out of any BT WiFi access spots. It also has a remote keyboard which is built in the carry case.

Maybe I'd be better off using the tablet and keeping off Facebook during the evenings...
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: justboatonic on August 15, 2012, 01:45:28 pm
Anybody tell me the difference between a laptop, a netbook and a notebook, please?


Ta,



Rich

Basically size and functionality.

Lappie will do just about everything

Netbook basically just for surfing the net and notes etc

Notebook generally a small laptop.

Get a PC Tablet instead!
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Jonty on August 15, 2012, 02:31:00 pm
  Always look here first if you're buying a computer of any kind:

  http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk

  Satisfied customer several times over.
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: NFMike on August 15, 2012, 02:57:29 pm
I do have a tablet (an Archos 8o G9) which is a great little piece of kit, but it doesn't like Facebook for some reason. It has WiFi, as does my laptop, both of which work perfectly with my BT Home Hub, but the tablet (apart  from disliking Facebook) hasn't got a copy and paste facility, hence the contemplation of a Netbook.
My android devices do copy and paste. Its a bit of a fiddle at times but works OK. Just like this:
My android devices do copy and paste. Its a bit of a fiddle at times but works OK. (Using a Nexus 7 at present)
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 15, 2012, 03:02:32 pm
If you can live with a scandinavian keyboard I can do you a good deal on a used baby laptop. (tho I can probably put a UK one on for a few extra )
We have just had a load of ex lease laptops come in that will be on sale shortly
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 15, 2012, 04:05:24 pm
If you can live with a scandinavian keyboard I can do you a good deal on a used baby laptop. (tho I can probably put a UK one on for a few extra )
We have just had a load of ex lease laptops come in that will be on sale shortly

Now I know I'm gonna regret asking this...but what's a Scandinavian keyboard?
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: catengineman on August 15, 2012, 04:39:47 pm
There are a few different places where keys you may know are
Also some are different with accents etc to contend with
I sometimes work on a Scandinavian built ship with all original equipment and BOY can it give you a head ache at times >>:-(
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Lash151 on August 15, 2012, 04:54:23 pm
Just get an Apple Mac ... its much simpler   :-))
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 15, 2012, 05:14:56 pm
Ooh heck, I'm confused already... I'll need an English keyboard to be sure!

Just get an Apple Mac ... its much simpler   :-))

Have you seen the price of an Apple Mac?   Good grief man, I'm on a disability pension...  <:(
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: bikerdude999 on August 15, 2012, 05:18:17 pm
Have you seen the price of an Apple Mac?   Good grief man, I'm on a disability pension...  <:(

But they're worth it!
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 15, 2012, 05:30:04 pm
So they may be, but when you haven't got the money....
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Circlip on August 15, 2012, 05:54:49 pm
The actual keyboard on a laptop is one of the more easily replaced items. If perchance you happen to bathe the keyboard in coffee (DAMHIK) it tends to wash the printed track off the keyboard sandwich. The keyboard can be removed easily and a replacement one fitted by unplugging the flat cable that connects it to the main base unit and fitting a new one. In the case of the one E2V is offering, the English "Conversion" would mean the keyboard can be changed to the same layout you know and luv with a simple replacement.

  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: colin-d on August 15, 2012, 06:21:19 pm
@U-33

why don't you get your self a dockingstation for your laptop... then you can leave all your peripherals connected to the dockingstation, and with a press of a button you can take your laptop with you...

when finished then just put the laptop back into the dockingstation...!!

no need to get a second Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 15, 2012, 06:28:27 pm
Now you're getting technical....and although that may be a good working solution, it still involves unplugging things. And when you have fingers like a pound of Ffyes finest bananas, the less unplugging there is, the better.

I have enough trouble with using touch screens, unplugging and plugging things is adding to the problems....   <:(
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: colin-d on August 15, 2012, 06:34:27 pm
the most dockingstations i know, you dont have to plug or unplug anythng...

the laptop just slides on and "click"

(http://www.computer-restposten.eu/web-shop/catalog/images/htmltext/dockingst.jpg)

(http://www.abload.de/img/ddszcr4.jpg)
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: catengineman on August 15, 2012, 08:27:52 pm
Yes a very good idea but only if your laptop has the docking option which quite a few do not
I have two business machines which do have that option and then there are the other three laptops in the family which do not have that option.
I think most of the general laptops would not have the dock slots as they are aimed at the business end of the market and also carry a higher purchase price because of the added connection abilities
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: AlisterL on August 16, 2012, 04:51:50 am
Rich,

in my humble opinion if you have trouble with touch screen devices then you need something with a keyboard and a netbook would fit the bill. Presumably you will be after a new one and not something preloved - this will allow you to see if the keyboard is big enough before you choose. A new one would also mean the battery is in the best state - almost certainly a 2nd hand job would have a knackered battery.

Another option would be a tablet with an optional keyboard like the Asus Transformer's. However the netbook would also give a familiar Windows OS experience.

There are some really cheap netbooks around that have cheap CPu's - don't get one of those make sure its from a reliable and reputable manufacturer like Asus, HP, Dell, Lenovo etc.

HTH,
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 08:27:20 am
My laptop doesn't allow for connection to a docking station, so that's out of the window.

The decision has been taken, a netbook it will be.  I've taken a liking to this...
http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/sol/shop/technology/computing/laptops_and_netbooks/123188795_samsung_n102_intel_atom_n2100_1gb320gb_101_led_netbook.html?hnav=4294960188 (http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/sol/shop/technology/computing/laptops_and_netbooks/123188795_samsung_n102_intel_atom_n2100_1gb320gb_101_led_netbook.html?hnav=4294960188)


Rich
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 16, 2012, 08:55:59 am
My laptop doesn't allow for connection to a docking station, so that's out of the window.

The decision has been taken, a netbook it will be.  I've taken a liking to this...
http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/sol/shop/technology/computing/laptops_and_netbooks/123188795_samsung_n102_intel_atom_n2100_1gb320gb_101_led_netbook.html?hnav=4294960188 (http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/sol/shop/technology/computing/laptops_and_netbooks/123188795_samsung_n102_intel_atom_n2100_1gb320gb_101_led_netbook.html?hnav=4294960188)


Rich

We have those for sale in the shop here bundled with a mobile broadband package.  Seem to be a reasonable seller and the specs are pretty good, but the Atom Processor can struggle with too many applications running in the background.  If you keep background apps to a minimum and it will be fine for your needs.
Dump Internet explorer and go for either firefox or google chrome as your web browser, both are better suited to the lower "power" of netbooks and the like
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 09:30:59 am
What's this deal you offered me, Essex? Tell me more....   ;D


Rich
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: AlanT on August 16, 2012, 09:40:37 am
Why don't you just use an ipad?.....Best thing ever for "Sofa Surfing"...Instant turn on/off, Access to all the comms programs you need Skype, Facetime etc, and easy to use with Facebook and other Social Rubbish if you must.
Plus you can take it on holiday with little weight penalty and watch films or read a book , Kindle style, plus access the internet for email etc...
Take it to your pond and make a movie of your boat or hundreds of superb quality stills...
I wouldn't be without mine.

Regards

Alan 
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: malcolmfrary on August 16, 2012, 09:41:41 am
A while back I got myself a net book because I had a few jobs for it.  
Top of the pile was to be something to take away with me so that I could keep in touch.  While doing that it gave me somewhere to put my holiday snaps, it was my music store and carried a selection of books.  I picked on the Asus EEE PC mostly for its claimed good battery life, reasonable keyboard and the familiar Windows system.  Increasing memory was pretty vital, it would have been a good idea, and maybe cheaper, to have had the shop upgrade the memory since there is only one slot in there.
At home its plugged into the Hi Fi as a juke box.
It gave me background music and something to read all the way on the flight back from Cyprus.
Quite possibly there are tablets that will do the same job, but cheaper and lighter, but thats progress.
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 09:58:45 am
Why don't you just use an ipad?.....Best thing ever for "Sofa Surfing"...Instant turn on/off, Access to all the comms programs you need Skype, Facetime etc, and easy to use with Facebook and other Social Rubbish if you must.
Plus you can take it on holiday with little weight penalty and watch films or read a book , Kindle style, plus access the internet for email etc...
Take it to your pond and make a movie of your boat or hundreds of superb quality stills...
I wouldn't be without mine.

Regards

Alan 

I have a tablet pc...very nice piece of kit, but it has a touch screen. The ever increasing effects of rheumatoid arthritis in my hands and fingers are making the using of a touch screen increasingly difficult, my fingers are already bent and twisted, and they will only get worse. I can still use an ordinary style keyboard, hence the thinking of purchasing a netbook.

A while back I got myself a net book because I had a few jobs for it. 
Top of the pile was to be something to take away with me so that I could keep in touch.  While doing that it gave me somewhere to put my holiday snaps, it was my music store and carried a selection of books.  I picked on the Asus EEE PC mostly for its claimed good battery life, reasonable keyboard and the familiar Windows system.  Increasing memory was pretty vital, it would have been a good idea, and maybe cheaper, to have had the shop upgrade the memory since there is only one slot in there.
At home its plugged into the Hi Fi as a juke box.
It gave me background music and something to read all the way on the flight back from Cyprus.
Quite possibly there are tablets that will do the same job, but cheaper and lighter, but thats progress.

You're on my wavelength here I think Malcolm...the main laptop handles all the high power stuff, it runs the AMS website and the forum quite happily, and does all I need it too, plus a bit. So, the proposed netbook would only need to be capable of watching over the forums I visit during the evening, chatting to 'er in Canada via Gmail chat, and chatting to the AMS members on our Facebook page.

I have a nice new, all singing, all dancing, digital camera for taking photos, I have a 5.1 surround sound system hooked up to my tv/dvd/cd player for playing music, and I prefer to read a book in it's hardback state, so neither of those uses are on my "must be able to do" list for the proposed netbook.


Rich
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Andyn on August 16, 2012, 10:01:48 am
If it's just internet you're after on the littleun, consider a Chromebook. They're pretty much internet only, and they're designed to turn on and get you on the net as quick as possible.

Some for a few ideas:

 :-))

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/chromebooks/703_7707_70798_xx_xx/1_12/price-asc/xx-criteria.html
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 16, 2012, 10:02:58 am
What's this deal you offered me, Essex? Tell me more....   ;D


Rich

PM sent
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 10:40:34 am
Gentlemen, I am now sorted...I am now the owner of a 10.1" PB510 refurbished Netbook (ok, so it's purple...) for the princely sum of 159.00 delivered to my door.
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/refurbished-netbooks/829_7385_70455_xx_BA00002914-BV00195977/1_12/price-asc/xx-criteria.html (http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/refurbished-netbooks/829_7385_70455_xx_BA00002914-BV00195977/1_12/price-asc/xx-criteria.html)

It might not be the best, it might not make the tea, but according to the specs it will do all I want it to, and maybe a touch more in reserve. And the price was spot on, a major consideration.

Essex...I thank you sir, for the offer, it's much appreciated, I assure you.

Everyone else...I thank you all for your comments, criticisms and guidance. Again, much appreciated.

Many thanks, all...



Rich
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 16, 2012, 11:07:35 am
Nice.... I may have to get one of those for the daughter for xmas as she likes all things purple lol
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 11:09:13 am
I'll have to wear my sunglass shades.... 8)
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 16, 2012, 11:16:17 am
hows about a nice matching case?
http://www.mypurplelaptop.com/cases-bags/purple-bags-cases-sleeves-netbooks.html

Oh and that site also has matching mice memory sticks and even shoes! lol

I would suggest a memory ugrade to 2GB should cost about a tenner and fits by removing just one screw
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 11:22:29 am
Essex...if I have to come over there...   <*<  <*<    %)

Tell me more about the upgrade though...one screw sounds about right for me.
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 16, 2012, 11:48:12 am
simples....
power off and unplug laptop
turn upside down (the laptop that is!  ;D )
on the lower bottom corner you will see a small panel that looks a bit like a rectangle with one of its corners stretched, remove screw
open panel
Insert Memory.  It can only fit one way (unless you really really force it!)
replace panel
replace screw
reconnect and power on

Job done
quick search of ebay gives you this memory
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2GB-RAM-MEMORY-UPGRADE-PACKARD-BELL-DOT-510-NETBOOK-/200646233938

Tho further research can probably get it even cheaper
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 11:53:06 am
It's that simple? Sounds as though I could probably handle that...cheers E2V, you are a true star. I shall go and purchase said memory thingie instantly, if not quicker.


Good man yourself...




Rich
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 11:58:26 am
Memory bought and paid for...it's en route.

Is there anything to do when I turn the netbook back on after adding the memory, or does it recognise the memory upgrade? I'll probably add the memory before I turn the 'book on for the first time, I think.
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 16, 2012, 12:05:19 pm
It's that simple? Sounds as though I could probably handle that...cheers E2V, you are a true star. I shall go and purchase said memory thingie instantly, if not quicker.


Good man yourself...




Rich

yes that simple.... the hardest part is finding a suitable screwdriver lol (the one you need is never where you are certain you put it last time lol)

should be completely automatic

If you have any problems give me a shout
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 12:08:59 pm
Ah yes...the always missing, where is the bl**dy thing, it was here just now screwdriver!

Cheers E2V, I'll keep you informed as to installation success/failure.  ;D


Rich
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 16, 2012, 12:20:02 pm
Ah yes...the always missing, where is the bl**dy thing, it was here just now screwdriver!

you have one of those too? normally to be found in the middle of the workbench in plain sight after spending 20 mins pulling every draw in the house/workshop/garage out
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Circlip on August 16, 2012, 12:40:03 pm
2 things to be aware of, First, make sure you discharge yourself before handling the RAM stick and Two, don't mangle the screw when removing a fitting the RAM in case something goes wrong with the Lappy within the Guarantee period cos you're going to have to take the stick out again before any PC World RTB.  :-))

  Regards  Ian
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 12:41:59 pm
2 things to be aware of, First, make sure you discharge yourself before handling the RAM stick and Two, don't mangle the screw when removing a fitting the RAM in case something goes wrong with the Lappy within the Guarantee period cos you're going to have to take the stick out again before any PC World RTB.  :-))

  Regards  Ian

Ok...another silly question. How do I discharge myself Ian?
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Andyn on August 16, 2012, 12:53:24 pm
Ok...another silly question. How do I discharge myself Ian?

I believe she lives in Canada doesn't she? {-)
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 12:58:20 pm
I believe she lives in Canada doesn't she? {-)

There has to be one...always has to be one.
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: malcolmfrary on August 16, 2012, 02:43:25 pm
Officially, you use an anti-static wristband grounded via its attached wire to a metal earth, such as a water pipe, or, in some cases, the earth pin of a mains plug.  In reality, this grounds one hand, and gives plenty of scope for static to build one heck of a voltage on the other arm via clothing.  Back in the day, at about the same time the firm was issuing "image wear", they started being serious about static, and we got a go with a magic box called static meter (voltmeter with a plastic stick poking out).  By pulling on a new wool pullover, we consistently got a reading of 12,000 volts, static band or not. 
Best practical way of discharging your static is to wear clothing recently laundered, with fabric conditioner in the final rinse, wear the anti static band, and touch the earth connection with your other hand just before handling the component and/or board.  And don't touch the metal bits of the memory board.  The conditioner leaves the cloth slightly conductive, and gives the static somewhere to go, so the harmful voltage never builds.  If you hear a crackling sound when pulling clothing on, you got static.
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: armc40 on August 16, 2012, 03:07:17 pm
Not a lot, but your wallet/cheque book/credit card will    :-))    {-)

  Regards   Ian.


they will 'ere  ......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-NC10-Netbook-1gb-RAM-160gb-Partitioned-HD-/140824559321?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item20c9cc3ed9#ht_500wt_1414 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-NC10-Netbook-1gb-RAM-160gb-Partitioned-HD-/140824559321?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item20c9cc3ed9#ht_500wt_1414)
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Netleyned on August 16, 2012, 04:03:22 pm
Must be the Scandinavian Model  %% %%

Ned
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Tug-Kenny on August 16, 2012, 07:47:44 pm


Don't forget to keep your fingers OFF the circuitry because of static stuff.   O0

Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 07:49:17 pm
Gawd...this is beginning to sound dangerous!
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Tug-Kenny on August 16, 2012, 07:54:57 pm

Perhaps I should elaborate.      :}

The static electricity from your body might be hazardous to the delicate silicon chips in the computer and we are advised not to touch their pins.  You will survive and neither hear nor see anything, but the effects can be costly.

(well you did ask !!)     {-)

Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 16, 2012, 07:57:59 pm
I'm thinking maybe I should take the netbook  and the memory thing to my local PC whizkid and ask him nicely to fit it for me...
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 17, 2012, 06:40:56 am
for just changing a memory stick I ground myself on a radiator or something similar.  Never had any issues and Ive been working on PCs for 25 years.

In all honesty tho I think the ESD card is over played.  there is a slight chance of damage but you would need to be fully charged.
In 25 years of working in the IT industry I have never actually seen any memory chip/stick that has failed due to ESD damage
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: colin-d on August 17, 2012, 08:00:59 am
same here.... never had any of those problems in 30 years of working on computers..

find a spare UK plug.... and a couple of feet long earth cable out of a three core cable...
connect a earth cable to the earth pin in the plug... bear the end of the cable and wrap it round your wrist... stick the plug in any socket of the house and your grounded, no static can build up...
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 17, 2012, 08:11:37 am
same here.... never had any of those problems in 30 years of working on computers..

find a spare UK plug.... and a couple of feet long earth cable out of a three core cable...
connect a earth cable to the earth pin in the plug... bear the end of the cable and wrap it round your wrist... stick the plug in any socket of the house and your grounded, no static can build up...

Of course one does not wire the live a neutral lol
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: colin-d on August 17, 2012, 08:13:54 am
  {-)  {-)  {-)  {-)  {-)  {-)
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: colin-d on August 17, 2012, 08:52:07 am
@ U-33

sorry but i have to correct my self.  <*<

there is also multipurpose docking stations.... for all styles/manufactures of laptops... even ones that don't have the normal docking capability

(http://smallbiztechnology.com/media/dynadock-u-big.png)
http://www.smallbiztechnology.com/archive/2009/01/for-the-ultimate-mobile-warrio.html/ (http://www.smallbiztechnology.com/archive/2009/01/for-the-ultimate-mobile-warrio.html/)
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 17, 2012, 09:08:53 am
Nice bit of kit... bet it has a price to match.

I have always been wary of these as I cant see how USB can trasfer video data for the screen fast enough
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 17, 2012, 09:21:48 am
Colin...that's a highly impressive looking piece of kit. Way out of my league....but thank you anyway.

Now gents, this idea of attaching myself to a piece of wire and earthing myself by plugging myself into the mains....is this serious? Apart from lighting up various parts of my anatomy and frying my sole remaining brain cell, I forsee pain and lots of screaming...
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 17, 2012, 09:27:58 am
yep.... it can be done that way.  If you look at your house earth system, the heating pipes/system are connected to the same earth as your electrical system

so in your situation a quick touch on the radiator before handling the memory will be fine
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 17, 2012, 09:31:07 am
Thanks E2V...as soon as everything arrives I'll give it a try.

I'll email Martin with my last will and testament...
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Circlip on August 17, 2012, 10:13:22 am
The warnings I gave Rich were not to panic you but to be aware that a static build up generated by being in contact with modern materials can be deadly to modern electronics. I too have worked in the electronics industry and been made aware of the precautions "Required" when servicing customers equipment. The second part,, relating to screw "Wrangling", was mentioned cos the number of pieces of returned equipment that "Just went wrong" that looks as though a drill has been used to remove the screws makes it rather obvious that they've "Had a go".  The screw manufacturers change the slot dimensions at regular intervals just to screw (bad pun) you up, at least 4 different types of cross slots to my knowledge, thus the "drilled" observation.

   I'm not saying that you are incapable of removing 1 screw and plugging a board into your impending acquisition but be aware that if you need to reverse the process within the guarantee period, even with a piece of refurbished equipment, it may be a fight to have it repaired within the conditions of the small print if the seller can prove "Illegal tampering"

  Regards  Ian. 
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: justboatonic on August 17, 2012, 10:16:50 am
My laptop doesn't allow for connection to a docking station, so that's out of the window.

The decision has been taken, a netbook it will be.  I've taken a liking to this...
http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/sol/shop/technology/computing/laptops_and_netbooks/123188795_samsung_n102_intel_atom_n2100_1gb320gb_101_led_netbook.html?hnav=4294960188 (http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/sol/shop/technology/computing/laptops_and_netbooks/123188795_samsung_n102_intel_atom_n2100_1gb320gb_101_led_netbook.html?hnav=4294960188)


Rich

Only 1 gb of RAM on that which isnt a lot. You'll need to make use of the memory expansion pretty quickly imo.
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 17, 2012, 10:39:08 am
Thanks E2V...as soon as everything arrives I'll give it a try.

I'll email Martin with my last will and testament...

Don't worry, I've already  done that for you!  
... and don't worry about the taste of almonds in your tea!  ok2

BTW: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=Toshiba%20Dynadock&_sop=15 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=Toshiba%20Dynadock&_sop=15)



Only 1 gb of RAM on that which isnt a lot. You'll need to make use of the memory expansion pretty quickly imo.

Netbooks can be quite efficient in memory use, remember they have a lot less in them than Laptops/ desktops.
 ( NB. Where I work,ALL the desktop only have 1Gig RAM!!!!?!)
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: colin-d on August 17, 2012, 11:11:33 am
I have always been wary of these as I cant see how USB can trasfer video data for the screen fast enough

me too....  %% %%

Now gents, this idea of attaching myself to a piece of wire and earthing myself by plugging myself into the mains....is this serious? Apart from lighting up various parts of my anatomy and frying my sole remaining brain cell, I forsee pain and lots of screaming...

sorry but just had to have a good laugh on that one.... but yes as "essex" has already mentioned... touch anything that is earthed and you should be fine..


Netbooks can be quite efficient in memory use, remember they have a lot less in them than Laptops/ desktops.
 ( NB. Where I work,ALL the desktop only have 1Gig RAM!!!!?!)

Same here were i work
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: essex2visuvesi on August 17, 2012, 11:26:17 am

Netbooks can be quite efficient in memory use, remember they have a lot less in them than Laptops/ desktops.
 ( NB. Where I work,ALL the desktop only have 1Gig RAM!!!!?!)

 :o I guess I must be a lucky man, my work machine has 16gb on windows 7 x64 and the other on the same with Windows 8
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 17, 2012, 12:31:12 pm
Just had a word with my tame computer guru, he agrees with you chaps, just a piece of wire wrapped around my wrist and connected to an earth will suffice...he also suggests holding the memory board with the packet it comes in as well...belt n' braces stuff.

Hopefully the n'book and the memory board will here either tomorrow or early next week...stand by for a report of how the installation went.

Or keep a watch towards the South East of the country for a mushroom cloud....
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 17, 2012, 01:46:47 pm
 
Naaaa, just be sensible.
Wash your hands.
Remove the Notebook battery and AC adaptor.
Open the memory compartment of the Notebook.
Just touch any metal part of the laptop before opening the bag and touching the memory stick.
Insert memory and click home.
When it doesn't fit, turn it around 180o
When it doesn't fit, turn it over 180o

When it doesn't fit, return it and buy the correct one!  {-)
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 17, 2012, 02:21:05 pm
Thanks Martin, I'm glad to see that you have faith in me and my computer building skills... ;D
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: armc40 on August 17, 2012, 04:54:23 pm
Must be the Scandinavian Model  %% %%

Ned


I got it even if no one else did !
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: armc40 on August 17, 2012, 04:57:05 pm
Ok...another silly question. How do I discharge myself Ian?



First....locate your cannon
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Andyn on August 17, 2012, 05:01:28 pm
The 'whack it with a hammer' approach to changing RAM. Please note laptop is already broke, don't do it like this with your shiny new one.

Just to show you how easy it is ;)

http://youtu.be/GYzwKeQrkoA
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Tug-Kenny on August 17, 2012, 05:07:55 pm

There's lovely now.      :} :} :}


Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Netleyned on August 17, 2012, 05:12:56 pm
Isn't it Boyo ;D ;D

Ned
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: malcolmfrary on August 17, 2012, 05:22:15 pm
Quote
When it doesn't fit, return it and buy the correct one! 
Were you watching, Martin?
When I did my netbook I went to the memory site, told it the make and model, let their software have a look and sort out the favoured stick, and ordered it.  Turned up really fast, then I discovered that in the meantime, Asus (bless them) had changed the spec to DDR3.  The company reacted very quickly - I had the right stuff the day after.
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: NFMike on August 17, 2012, 05:26:26 pm

Naaaa, just be sensible.
Wash your hands.
Remove the Notebook battery and AC adaptor.
Open the memory compartment of the Notebook.
Just touch any metal part of the laptop before opening the bag and touching the memory stick.
Insert memory and click home.
When it doesn't fit, turn it around 180o
When it doesn't fit, turn it over 180o

When it doesn't fit, return it and buy the correct one!  {-)

This is what I have done for years and not had a problem. I also do several fingerings of the packing and touching of the metalwork to discharge any residuals and also try to keep part of my flesh in contact with the metal while working (easier on a desktop or tower). But failing that just retouch the metal at regular intervals. Oh, yes, I don't shuffle my backside or feet around while working either - that can recharge you :)

The purpose of the exercise is NOT to earth you, it is to make sure you are at the same potential as the devices you are working on. Earth straps are a false assurance if the thing you are working on is not also earthed - IT my be charged and could backfire into your hand, so to speak. Think about birds sat on an overhead line at 33,000V. If you eathed the birds' tails you'd have frazzled avian in no time at all ...
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 17, 2012, 06:01:23 pm
Thank you, gentlemen...most kind.

I'll just cross my fingers...
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 22, 2012, 09:27:31 am
Update...

Still waiting for the perishin' thing to be delivered...   >>:-(
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 23, 2012, 08:49:08 am
Further update...

The netbook arrived. The netbook is going back.

It's developed a fault in the keyboard, the 'F' key no longer works, and one or two of the others seem to be doing their own thing, so back it's going.


 >>:-(
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 23, 2012, 10:01:30 am
 
How annoying!  >:-o
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: malcolmfrary on August 23, 2012, 10:36:54 am
Back in the days when Dixons was just Dixons, and not everybody else as well, if you took something back that was not working as it should, they would try it, agree it wasn't right, then replace it.  If stuff happened again, same thing.  You got the impression that their version of a refurb was to take the mildly faulty item in, hide it for a while, and reissue it in the hope that the new owner wouldn't notice the problem until after the warranty was out.  Sometimes, you wonder.......
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: U-33 on August 23, 2012, 10:37:03 am

How annoying!  >:-o


Very!
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: Andyn on August 23, 2012, 08:03:18 pm
Malcolm, I'd love to tell you some stories that agree with your statement, but unfortunately they've made me sign a 'Social Media' policy {-)
Title: Re: Laptop/Netbook/Notebook
Post by: malcolmfrary on August 23, 2012, 08:34:37 pm
Malcolm, I'd love to tell you some stories that agree with your statement, but unfortunately they've made me sign a 'Social Media' policy {-)
For those who remember Dixons photographic of old there was a song - "Zoom day my Prinz will come".
Last year my eldest got a laptop from them and bought into their 3 year warranty.  A few months in, the HD died.  He made calls, verified the fairly obvious, and they gave him return instructions, it was all done reasonably smoothly by courier, and he had a new laptop.  I suspect that his old one will become a "refurb", but since the fault was a blindingly obvious dead HD, that will be swapped for a good one, and there will be a happy customer in its future.  If the problem had been a bit more subtle, like a misbehaving keyboard, there might have been a different story down the line.