Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: sinjon on May 04, 2007, 05:31:26 pm
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Its my birthday in a few weeks time and I am thinking of a new boat. At Ally Pally this year I saw a model of HMS Bulldog on the Mayhem 'lake' - fell in love with it straight away, there are two choices for me - Deans Marine @ 605mm, or Metcalf Mouldings @ 1220mm, has anyone built either? or recommendations for either. The prices are very similar, although the Deans looks like a full kit, and Metcalf just a hull, plan and sheet. I must admit I like the sound of the Metcalf - any thoughts?
Colin
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I think sirma has this corvette too ???
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We don't but, we do most of the fittings for either scale.
I hope this helps.
Paul...
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hull and fittings ;)
http://www.sirmarmodelships.com/showship.asp?ID=6
i personaly think the deans ship is a bit to small.
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BULL DOG, JAN! NOT Bluebell???? NUMPTY!
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;) OOPS
;D
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Thats, OK then, Jan, ;D :D ::)
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but its a flower class corvette or not??? :o
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From Deans siite,
"Name ship of the class of four, this coastal waters hydrographic survey ship was constructed by Brook Marine and launched in 1968."
Post-dates the wartime Flower class by twenty-odd years.
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Was on the wrong tail, HMS Bulldog was this vessel... ;)
(http://deansmarine.co.uk/ProductPics/Bulldog.jpg)
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C'mon, Jan?? Can anyone tell me of a Flower called "Bulldog"?
Malcolm is correct, have a look on the internet and search for RN dog class survey ships, survey ships, coastal or anything like that?
I can tell service craft or warships is not your thing?
Paul...
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I had a book about german submarines and i remember there was a vessel named Bulldog, a sub hunter, sinking around 17 subs...
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Still got nowt to do with the question asked, nothing to do with a modern RN survey ship, If I was going to model it, I would do the 1/48th version, it will sail in almost anything, whereas the 1/96th one is easily swamped by passing RTR toy boats.
Staying on subject, I would go for the Metcalf one to be honest mate! Scale/ size, wise anyway
Paul...
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The ship in that book was a Black Swan sloop, HMS Starling (U66), and was sinking 11 german subs. My brain was playing tricks on me ;)
Sorry for going ot but as i mentioned it befor... i was on the wrong tail :D
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Must be Jan :o
Try and get some "most" needed rest!
Paul...
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i agree with psships with the bigger bulldog, as i have the 1/48 scale bulldog and my friend as deans 1/96 you can only sail the 96 scale one in certain water conditions, i guess it depends on the space you have and where you are going to sail the model.
regards Al
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Thanks Paul & Al, Iwill go for the Metcalf Mouldings Bulldog, I will be in touch with Sirma once I have the hull.
Colin
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IDEA! You could make HMS Helca, Bulldogs sister ship (I think), here's a picture of her during the Falklands War a different livery than the standard HMS Bulldog
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Hi Tom, the Hecla was a totally different class of survey ship, there were also four of those, Hecla, Hydra, Herald and the fourth one escapes my memory, the Buldog's sister's were, Beagle, Fox and Fawn.
I hope this helps.
Paul...
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I have several pictures of the Metcalf Mouldings Bulldog if wanted....
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Yes please Martin. I have only seen the one model at Ally Pally, and a couple on the Metcalf site.
Colin
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Good Morning Martin,
I would also like to see those photos of HMS Bulldog.
Clive :)
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Martin - what a set of fabulous pics. I could kick myself for even mentioning Bulldog, I bet by the time I order from Metcalf, there will be a six months waiting list, perhaps I can claim commission!
Its everything that I remember, such a perfectly proportioned boat, I just want this awkward Bank Holiday to be over, so that I can have a chat with Metcalf Mouldings, and get my order in.
Thanks again Martin. (and Paul)
Colin
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How about doing her as a yacht, as she is now;
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Flippin eck, she's hardly recogniseable, when did that happen? I knew she had been sold like the rest of the RN, but, flippin eck!
Paul...
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2001, see below;
from uboat.net, the 6th HMS Bulldog did indeed play a very important role in the anti-submarine war ;
Navy: The Royal Navy
Type: Destroyer
Class: B
Pennant: H 91
Built by: Swan Hunter and Wigham Richardson Ltd. (Wallsend-on-Tyne, U.K.): Wallsend
Ordered:
Laid down: 10 Aug, 1929
Launched: 6 Dec, 1930
Commissioned: 8 Apr, 1931
End service:
Loss position: ,
History: Sold to be broken up for scrap on 15 Janaury 1946.
9 May, 1941
HMS Bulldog was responsible for the capture of U-110, her Sub Lt David Balme finding the Enigma code machine ciphers and code books. U-110 was taken on tow and Bulldog kept her afloat for 17 hours then let the towline slip. The intention was to tow U-110 into Iceland but Admiralty realised this would have been a massive error of judgement. In the event, allegedly, U-110 resolved the matter herself by sinking.
26 Jun, 1944
The German submarine U-719 was sunk in the North Atlantic north-west of Ireland, in position 55º33'N, 11º02'E, by depth charges from the British destroyer HMS Bulldog.
From Wikipedia, note that Bulldog was a Coastal Survey vessel, not an Ocean Survey vessel like Hecla;
Seven vessels of the British Royal Navy have been named HMS Bulldog, after the bulldog:
The first Bulldog was a small 4-gun vessel bought in March 1794 and sold later in the same year.
The second Bulldog was a 16-gun sloop launched in 1782 but converted to a Royal Navy bomb vessel in 1798. She was broken up at Portsmouth in December 1829.
The third Bulldog was a wooden steam powered paddle sloop launched in 1845 but ran aground in 1865 whilst attacking Haiti as part of a punitive raid against revolutionaries who had seized the British consulate. Unable to get her off of the reef, the British blew her up.
The fourth Bulldog was a third class gunboat of the Ant-class, sold for scrapping in 1906.
The fifth Bulldog was a Beagle class destroyer scrapped in 1920.
The sixth Bulldog was a destroyer launched in 1930 and scrapped in 1946. She is most famous for the actions of some of her crew in making the first capture of an Enigma machine.
The seventh Bulldog was launched in 1967 as the lead ship of the Bulldog-class coastal survey ships and sold in 2001 for conversion to a private yacht.
Ocean survey vessels
HMS Hecla
HMS Hecate
HMS Hydra
HMS Herald
Coastal survey vessels
HMS Bulldog
HMS Beagle
HMS Fox
HMS Fawn
Regards, Christian.
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Thanks for that matey!
Paul...
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Pleasure. Here's Fulmar ex Fawn awaiting sale and conversion in Turkey; http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1584351/0
and here's Titan ex Beagle in Monaco; http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1446395/0
and here's Bulldog in NZ; http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1336456/0
Sorry, I should have clarified the then and now photo above is Titan ex-Beagle, not Bulldog. The photo is from Servicepals.
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Very interesting that Christian, thanks a lot, what a mess the Turkey one!
Such a shame too, I did some refit work on Beagle in the 80s when I was in the RN at Rosyth.
Paul...
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It's Bulldog I'm more worried about, the latest news is bad;
http://www.shippingtimes.co.uk/item180_bulldogfire.htm
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It sounds like poor old Buldog doesn't want to be a yacht huh?
Paul...
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There's some history of an earlier Bulldog here -
http://www.cronab.demon.co.uk/INTRO.HTM
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I have just been through my old copies of Model Boats, and in the January 2004 issue, there is a six page review by Dave Wooley, of the Deans Marine Bulldog. I will still do the Metcalf version, but loads of photographs, Bound to be useful.
Colin
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Hi Martin,
I'd love to have a set of photo's of the bulldog, i need all the help i can get.
thanks
jenno.
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Photos in first post updated.
Martin O0
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Here's a few shots of a very nice example in her grey days
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Beautyfull O0