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Title: HMS Bulldog
Post by: sinjon on May 04, 2007, 05:31:26 pm
Its my birthday in a few weeks time and I am thinking of a new boat. At Ally Pally this year I saw a model of HMS Bulldog on the Mayhem 'lake' - fell in love with it straight away, there are two choices for me - Deans Marine @ 605mm, or Metcalf Mouldings @ 1220mm, has anyone built either? or recommendations for either. The prices are very similar, although the Deans looks like a full kit, and Metcalf just a hull, plan and sheet. I must admit I like the sound of the Metcalf - any thoughts?

Colin
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: Cargo on May 04, 2007, 09:51:10 pm
I think sirma has this corvette too  ???
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: PSSHIPS on May 04, 2007, 09:59:33 pm
We don't but, we do most of the fittings for either scale.
 I hope this helps.
 Paul...
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: Cargo on May 04, 2007, 10:01:14 pm
 hull and fittings  ;)

http://www.sirmarmodelships.com/showship.asp?ID=6

i personaly think the deans ship is a bit to small.
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: PSSHIPS on May 04, 2007, 10:03:50 pm
BULL DOG, JAN! NOT Bluebell???? NUMPTY!
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: Cargo on May 04, 2007, 10:05:33 pm
 ;) OOPS

 ;D
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: PSSHIPS on May 04, 2007, 10:06:49 pm
Thats, OK then, Jan,  ;D :D ::)
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: Cargo on May 04, 2007, 10:08:02 pm
but its a flower class corvette or not???  :o
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: malcolmfrary on May 04, 2007, 10:12:23 pm
From Deans siite,
"Name ship of the class of four, this coastal waters hydrographic survey ship was constructed by Brook Marine and launched in 1968."
Post-dates the wartime Flower class by twenty-odd years.
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: Cargo on May 04, 2007, 10:17:32 pm
Was on the wrong tail, HMS Bulldog was this vessel...  ;)
 
(http://deansmarine.co.uk/ProductPics/Bulldog.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: PSSHIPS on May 04, 2007, 10:18:40 pm
C'mon, Jan?? Can anyone tell me of a Flower called "Bulldog"?
 Malcolm is correct, have a look on the internet and search for RN dog class survey ships, survey ships, coastal or anything like that?
 I can tell service craft or warships is not your thing?
 Paul...
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: Cargo on May 04, 2007, 11:12:39 pm
I had a book about german submarines and i remember there was a vessel named Bulldog, a sub hunter, sinking around 17 subs...   
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: PSSHIPS on May 04, 2007, 11:18:59 pm
Still got nowt to do with the question asked, nothing to do with a modern RN survey ship, If I was going to model it, I would do the 1/48th version, it will sail in almost anything, whereas the 1/96th one is easily swamped by passing RTR toy boats.
 Staying on subject, I would go for the Metcalf one to be honest mate! Scale/ size, wise anyway
 Paul...
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: Cargo on May 04, 2007, 11:19:59 pm
The ship in that book was a Black Swan sloop, HMS Starling (U66), and was sinking 11 german subs. My brain was playing tricks on me ;)

Sorry for going ot but as i mentioned it befor... i was on the wrong tail :D
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: PSSHIPS on May 04, 2007, 11:21:37 pm
Must be Jan :o
 Try and get some "most" needed rest!
 Paul...
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: APAXTON on May 05, 2007, 12:58:20 am
i agree with psships with the bigger bulldog, as i have the 1/48 scale bulldog and my  friend as deans 1/96 you can only sail the 96 scale one in certain water conditions,  i guess it depends on the space you have and where you are going to sail the model.
regards Al
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: sinjon on May 05, 2007, 06:29:43 am
Thanks Paul & Al, Iwill go for the Metcalf Mouldings Bulldog, I will be in touch with Sirma once I have the hull.

Colin
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: Tom@Crewe on May 05, 2007, 08:29:08 am
IDEA! You could make HMS Helca, Bulldogs sister ship (I think), here's a picture of her during the Falklands War a different livery than the standard HMS Bulldog
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: PSSHIPS on May 05, 2007, 08:57:41 am
Hi Tom, the Hecla was a totally different class of survey ship, there were also four of those, Hecla, Hydra, Herald and the fourth one escapes my memory, the Buldog's sister's were, Beagle, Fox and Fawn.
 I hope this helps.
 Paul...
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 05, 2007, 09:17:24 am

I have several pictures of the Metcalf Mouldings Bulldog if wanted....
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: sinjon on May 05, 2007, 10:04:28 am
Yes please Martin. I have only seen the one model at Ally Pally, and a couple on the Metcalf site.

Colin
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: kendalboatsman on May 05, 2007, 10:51:58 am
Good Morning Martin,

I would also like to see those photos of HMS Bulldog.

Clive :)
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: sinjon on May 05, 2007, 04:32:41 pm
Martin - what a set of fabulous pics. I could kick myself for even mentioning Bulldog, I bet by the time I order from Metcalf, there will be a six months waiting list, perhaps I can claim commission!
Its everything that I remember, such a perfectly proportioned boat, I just want this awkward Bank Holiday to be over, so that I can have a chat with Metcalf Mouldings, and get my order in.
Thanks again Martin. (and Paul)

Colin
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: cdsc123 on May 05, 2007, 05:53:18 pm
How about doing her as a yacht, as she is now;
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: PSSHIPS on May 05, 2007, 05:57:48 pm
Flippin eck, she's hardly recogniseable, when did that happen? I knew she had been sold like the rest of the RN, but, flippin eck!
 Paul...
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: cdsc123 on May 05, 2007, 06:16:37 pm
2001, see below;


from uboat.net, the 6th HMS Bulldog did indeed play a very important role in the anti-submarine war ;


Navy: The Royal Navy
Type: Destroyer
Class: B 
Pennant: H 91 
Built by: Swan Hunter and Wigham Richardson Ltd. (Wallsend-on-Tyne, U.K.): Wallsend 
Ordered:   
Laid down: 10 Aug, 1929 
Launched: 6 Dec, 1930 
Commissioned: 8 Apr, 1931 
End service:   
Loss position: , 
 
History: Sold to be broken up for scrap on 15 Janaury 1946. 


9 May, 1941
HMS Bulldog was responsible for the capture of U-110, her Sub Lt David Balme finding the Enigma code machine ciphers and code books. U-110 was taken on tow and Bulldog kept her afloat for 17 hours then let the towline slip. The intention was to tow U-110 into Iceland but Admiralty realised this would have been a massive error of judgement. In the event, allegedly, U-110 resolved the matter herself by sinking.

26 Jun, 1944
The German submarine U-719 was sunk in the North Atlantic north-west of Ireland, in position 55º33'N, 11º02'E, by depth charges from the British destroyer HMS Bulldog.





From Wikipedia, note that Bulldog was a Coastal Survey vessel, not an Ocean Survey vessel like Hecla;

Seven vessels of the British Royal Navy have been named HMS Bulldog, after the bulldog:

The first Bulldog was a small 4-gun vessel bought in March 1794 and sold later in the same year.
The second Bulldog was a 16-gun sloop launched in 1782 but converted to a Royal Navy bomb vessel in 1798. She was broken up at Portsmouth in December 1829.
The third Bulldog was a wooden steam powered paddle sloop launched in 1845 but ran aground in 1865 whilst attacking Haiti as part of a punitive raid against revolutionaries who had seized the British consulate. Unable to get her off of the reef, the British blew her up.
The fourth Bulldog was a third class gunboat of the Ant-class, sold for scrapping in 1906.
The fifth Bulldog was a Beagle class destroyer scrapped in 1920.
The sixth Bulldog was a destroyer launched in 1930 and scrapped in 1946. She is most famous for the actions of some of her crew in making the first capture of an Enigma machine.
The seventh Bulldog was launched in 1967 as the lead ship of the Bulldog-class coastal survey ships and sold in 2001 for conversion to a private yacht.

Ocean survey vessels

HMS Hecla
HMS Hecate
HMS Hydra
HMS Herald
Coastal survey vessels
HMS Bulldog
HMS Beagle
HMS Fox
HMS Fawn



Regards, Christian.


Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: PSSHIPS on May 05, 2007, 06:23:23 pm
Thanks for that matey!
 Paul...
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: cdsc123 on May 05, 2007, 07:08:11 pm
Pleasure. Here's Fulmar ex Fawn awaiting sale and conversion in Turkey;  http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1584351/0

and here's Titan ex Beagle in Monaco; http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1446395/0

and here's Bulldog in NZ; http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1336456/0

Sorry, I should have clarified the then and now photo above is Titan ex-Beagle, not Bulldog. The photo is from Servicepals.
 
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: PSSHIPS on May 05, 2007, 08:48:33 pm
Very interesting that Christian, thanks a lot, what a mess the Turkey one!
 Such a shame too, I did some refit work on Beagle in the 80s when I was in the RN at Rosyth.
  Paul...
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: cdsc123 on May 05, 2007, 11:46:31 pm
It's Bulldog I'm more worried about, the latest news is bad;
http://www.shippingtimes.co.uk/item180_bulldogfire.htm
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: PSSHIPS on May 06, 2007, 08:44:04 am
It sounds like poor old Buldog doesn't want to be a yacht huh?
 Paul...
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: malcolmfrary on May 06, 2007, 11:17:36 am
There's some history of an earlier Bulldog here -
http://www.cronab.demon.co.uk/INTRO.HTM
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: sinjon on May 06, 2007, 12:21:50 pm
I have just been through my old copies of Model Boats, and in the January 2004 issue, there is a six page review by Dave Wooley, of the Deans Marine Bulldog. I will still do the Metcalf version, but loads of photographs, Bound to be useful.

Colin
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: jenno on November 09, 2007, 09:51:12 pm
Hi Martin,
              I'd love to have a set of photo's of the bulldog, i need all the help i can get.

                         thanks
                                     jenno.
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: Martin (Admin) on November 11, 2007, 02:27:00 am
Photos in first post updated.

Martin  O0
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: Bunkerbarge on November 12, 2007, 12:03:40 am
Here's a few shots of a very nice example in her grey days
Title: Re: HMS Bulldog
Post by: Cargo on November 12, 2007, 10:57:55 am
Beautyfull  O0