Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: Armo61 on September 20, 2012, 05:36:03 am
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Hello, Shipmates,
Well after doing the Jiangki II, the Sovremenny and the PT Boat, I knew that I had in my cupboard the first ship in R/C that I had ever bought.
It had been fairly stripped down and Hijacked for parts for reasons I can't remember or just plain stupidity at the time.
So I looked her up and thought to myself, as my modelling skills have improved slightly since I started in this hobby, that I would in fact save her.
I did not even know it was a class of aircraft carrier until I looked up a thread, I think it was in amongst the Sovremenny information and saw an article about blokes converting something they called a Kiev. Well I found that this Aircraft carrier I have in or had in the cupboard is the same TOY one they had been mentioning and working on with good results.
I have some pictures of the start of the putting her back together with a lot of the pieces missing, but I am managing to find bits and pieces hoarded over the years from other so called Projects which are fitting her and will make her actually look like a KIEV.
In the pictures I show the Hull and I have now installed Motors, stuffing tubes, shafts and props.
I have also manufactured a few pieces of metal to re construct things like Antennas of which there was none left on the carrier.
I refitted and mended broken pieces of plastics on missiles, spotlights and other thingies I don't know the name of.
The paint on the Decking is of water colour only and can be wiped off when ready. I am searching for the correct colour for her topside decks and not the runway which I will do in either a Dark green, or Khaki or the Dark Grey.
The colour on the Deck is Sienna Brown but perhaps a Tan would suit.
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Continuing on, at this time I have installed the 1/16th tank stuff to make her work Vector Style this will change as I am trying to get her all ballasted up correctly.
I was very lucky indeed, as the local tyre fitter here had gone to the tip and when I went to dispose of my rubbish there in a box was a large amount of lead weights looking at me saying TAKE ME HOME, the flat kind used for balancing wheels, some even with the weight written on them. What a great find for ballast. Some still having the sticky backs on the lead.
I have also ordered Mig29's for my Kiev restoration and also the Helix KA29 helicopters which would have been used on board along with the Migs.
They will not be updating to the SU33's until a later date due to costing.
So here is a start and will get this aircraft carrier now back in to the fleet to join the other ships for the billabong.
The Aircraft you see are F14 tomcats which are from the Nimitz and a Seaking Helicopter. I used these as the F14 are similar in size etc to the Mig29 and so the decision and scale of 1/350 which I would say on this Carrier is very close to the mark
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(http://s11.postimage.org/8dhekxmfj/Lanzhou_Destroyer_044.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8dhekxmfj/)
There will be more to follow as we slowly progress.
Charles :}
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Blimey charles at this rate your going to have a bigger fllet than the royal navy
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Glen it is just old stuff I had around. Until I got the Nimitz as a gift they were all going to the tip.
Thank goodness for that present which rekindled the flame mate and this Forum of Model Boat Mayhem where I can talk like minded modelling with fellow enthusiasts.
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Well shipmates, I did some more research into my Kieve Russian aircraft carrier tonight and BLIMEY, firstly it's a BIG thank you to the Forum members who taught me how to research and also why.
I am going along merrily trying to make these models very scale like in appearance and also, what I add to them, and here's me ordering Mig29's and Ka29's for the Kiev and she never had them as far as my Wikipedia source said.
So coming to add to my collection on the wall for future use is Mig 29 and KA Russian Helicopters. Looks like my 1/350 and 1/700 trumpeter aircraft collection is growing.
So back to the Kiev, who apparantly had a fleet of 12 Yak - 38M Fighter Aircraft and 20 Kamov KA25 or KA27 Helicopters.
Now thank goodness for Trumpeter who although do not make a YAK - 38 VTOL fighter they do make the YAK - 41 Freedom Fighter VTOL which is exactly or nearly the same but actually never went into production due to Russian Budget costs.
I also found the KA27 made by trumpeter also.
I have now ordered and paid for those Aircraft for the Kiev so thank goodness I will be keeping with the Russian Aircraft of that period.
All paints etc for all models mentioned in forums have now been ordered and paid for so Waiting Waiting Waiting, and, I can't wait to get cracking once again.
I just have to see if my matge can do the Russian eq
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Here is correct post I must had done something wrong re last one sorry.
I forgot to mention that I took all that stuff out of Kiev and have now started the correct R/C install.
Well shipmates, I did some more research into my Kieve Russian aircraft carrier tonight and BLIMEY, firstly it's a BIG thank you to the Forum members who taught me how to research and also why.
I am going along merrily trying to make these models very scale like in appearance and also, what I add to them, and here's me ordering Mig29's and Ka29's for the Kiev and she never had them as far as my Wikipedia source said.
So coming to add to my collection on the wall for future use is Mig 29 Fighters and Helix Russian Helicopters. Looks like my 1/350 and 1/700 trumpeter aircraft collection is growing.
So back to the Kiev who apparantly had a fleet of 12 Yak - 38M Fighter Aircraft and 20 Kamov KA25 or KA27 Helicopters.
Now, thank goodness for Trumpeter, who although do not make a YAK - 38 VTOL fighter they do make the YAK - 41 Freedom Fighter VTOL which is exactly or nearly the same, but actually never went into production due to Russian Budget costs.
I also found the Kamov KA27 made by Trumpeter also.
I have now ordered and paid for those Aircraft for the Kiev, so thank goodness I will be in keeping with the Russian Aircraft of that period.
All paints, Railings in 1/200 and 1/350 etc for all models mentioned in forums, have now been ordered and paid for so Waiting Waiting Waiting, and, I can't wait to get cracking once again.
I just have to see if my mate can do the Russian equivalent of Kiev, as I see it is displayed up near the bow of the carrier, I think in yellow. He did a good job on the Sovremenny Decals and her Russian name is Circumnavigate, so let me hope he can do another one for me.
Charles %)
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The Kiev had the Yak38. For some reason Trumpeter do the prototype Yak141 that was to have replaced the Yak38 if the USSR had not collapsed.
The 4th ship in the class originally called Baku is being rebuilt for the Indian navy with a ski jump like the Kuznetsov, when this eventually enter service(the boilers have failed on builders trials again!), it will operate Mig29's. Google images for "ins vikramaditya" to find photos and drawings.
I'm also about to start rebuilding 1 of these and I found these -
http://www.euromodels.co.uk/index.php?CATEGORY=4&SUB=4&THISPAGE=6&RADIOSORT=4&PICFILE=7844&STKNR=7844&STRH=2975&ORDN=2538&RNZ=849615
http://www.euromodels.co.uk/index.php?CATEGORY=4&SUB=4&THISPAGE=6&RADIOSORT=4&PICFILE=7843&STKNR=7843&STRH=2975&ORDN=2491&RNZ=368956
I think it would need 2 or 3 of the railings set.
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Thanks for info Niall,
I will keep it in mind if I choose to do either a Russian or PLA carrier to use up some of these spare Migs etc I am acculating.
I think the model I am rebuilding is a bit older for this modern radar as looking at info the radar and systems seem in scale and not too bad.
My Kieve is all masked up and reworking the complete colour scheme, flight deck markings and colour schemes and also all upper decks.
Aircraft and Helicopters have been marked in Ebay as posted so they should not be too long in arriving.
I have a complete listing now haha of all correct colour schemes, boy did they try a few out with these Kiev's and aircraft but i have finally settled for one which apparently she came into life with so I will keep her as that.
I thought i would give some specs on the YAK aircraft as part of this rebuild also.
Specifications for the Yakovlev Yak-38
Length: 50 ft 1 in
Wingspan: 24 ft
Height: 14 ft 5 in
Wing area: 199 ft²
Empty weight: 16,281 lb
Max takeoff weight: 28,700 lb
Powerplant: 1 x Tumansky R-28 V-300
turbojet, 15,000 lbf
Powerplant: 2× Rybinsk RD-38 turbojets,
7,870 lbf each
Performance
Maximum speed: 795 mph
Range: 807 miles
Service ceiling: 36,089 ft
Rate of climb: 14,760 ft/min
Armament
Guns:
GSh-23L 23mm gun pod (GP-9).
This gun could be carried in one or
two PUK-23-250 pods fixed under
the external pylons of wings.
Bombs:
2x FAB-500 or 4x FAB-250 under
pylons, two incendiary ZB-500, or
2x nuclear tactical RN-28.
Rockets:
various types of rockets
(up to 240 mm).
Missiles:
2x anti-ship or air-to-surface Kh-23.
Each missile weighed 628 lbs,
was radio controlled and had
6 miles of range. The
Kh-23 requires a guidance pod
on one of the pylons. R-60 or
R-60M air-to-air missiles could
be carried under the external pylons.
Other:
external tanks.
A: The 'Forger' had a system to automatically eject the pilot if the engine stopped while the thrust was angled below the horizontal. B: A hinged door opened behind the cockpit to feed air to the lift jets, which exhausted out of a hatch at the bottom. C: The Yak-38 was very basically equipped, with only a simple weapons sight and no radar or radar warning systems.
D: The Yak-38 came as something of a surprise to NATO, first appearing in the Mediterranean in the summer of 1976 aboard the carrier Kiev. E: Although intended only for vertical take-offs and landings, the 'Forger' had double-slotted flaps and a braking parachute. F: The Rybinsk RD-38 turbojet lift engines on the Yak-38 were very susceptible to ingestion of exhaust gases back into the engine which would cause them to shut down, or lose power.
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Hello Shipmates,
Today is Kiev and Sovremenny Day so, you could say Russian Navy day for all works at the Armo Shipyard.
I have 2 pictures on Kiev which I am currently working on at this time and this is some of the Superstructure and the reworking of the Flight Deck markings to be correct.
I will be doing Sovremenny (Circumnavigate) later on during the day.
Too hot to do any gardening so will carry on.
(http://s8.postimage.org/uctk448ep/Jiangki_II_015.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/uctk448ep/)
(http://s8.postimage.org/qhq61jp8x/Jiangki_II_014.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qhq61jp8x/)
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Glad you have done your research; saves me the trouble and you the embarrassment. :D In other words I had a good chuckle at your flight deck full of MiG-29's which you have discovered were never carried on the Kiev class (I don't think the Kiev could provide enough runway without the ski-jump bow). With that being said, I am really liking the Indian Navy's ongoing trials of the refit ex-Admiral Gorshkov (ex-Baku) now known as INS Vikramaditya. Now that's a handsome craft. I think they got a good deal despite all of the problems that carrier has had. She has very few miles on her despite her 30+ years.
Niall, those PE sets are in 1/350 scale. Have we determined this "Kiev" is in 1/200 scale, more or less? If so, I think the size difference in that detail set is prohibitive. But then again :-X Just thinking out loud.
-Harq
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I BELIEVE the 1/350 will suit the Kiev.
On trying a squadron of F14 they looked perfectly in scale and not oversize as some of the supplied aircraft were.
We shall see when the Vtol kits arrive.
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As yesterday was Kiev and Sovremenny day yesterday I thought I would just add these pictures to the Kiev forum of what is happening so far. 3 ships are shown all currently getting close to the finishing line so I can take em out and actually enjoy them in the water.
Still waiting for parts. they didnt come today Friday so will see if any parts arrive Monday.
I am seriously awaiting more glue and have now completely run out so will be a painting weekend and finish off Nimitz flight deck as the paint for that did arrive yesterday.
Just got to tidy up the white on the flight deck markings now that its dry and that is another job done on Kiev. More painting on Superstructure to come and also the bow and other decking.
Sovremenny just needs some parts glued on the decks painted in that red brown colour or tan I am not sure flags put on the flag staffs and then she is ready for the water.
She has already undergone her sea trials previously so I know what she is like as we say in Aussie
Bloody beaudy mate hahaha.
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Harquebus, in 1/200th scale the Kiev would be 1365mm long; in 1/350th scale it is 780mm long.
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Armo they are coming on a treat mate :-))
i finally got round to fitting the pe brass mast to my Sovremenny last week makes a big diferance 8)
hopefully get some pics of it this weekend tho
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Sounds great stormbringer, I was thinking of ordering from White Ensign glad you said it made a difference.
By the way 755 her name in English is CIRCUMNAVIGATE.
Just for interest. The railings came today for Kiev in 1/350 I don't know if they are correct, I will consult the Lillie's but if not I have 2 other sets to come one in 1/350 and one in 1/200 which are for Sovrrmenny. I will check sizing then if ok will order another couple for the Fletcherand one for spares.
What Sovremenny are you doing?
I am tempted to leave my decks blue gray looks ok to me as all others seem to have gone redbrown in colour.
I know russkie colour is the Brownie colour buy I can say my ship was sold and redone by China.
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Both the Kiev and the Minsk are spending their retirement years as floating tourist attractions and still retain their reddish-brown deck colour as standard.
The Kiev is a luxury hotel and the Minsk is the centerpiece of a military theme park known as.... Minsk World. {-) {-) {-)
Some satellite pictures:
http://maps.google.com/maps?&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=39.155273,117.808692&spn=0.002458,0.005686&t=h&z=18
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&g=Severodvinsk&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=22.553663,114.237009&spn=0.002928,0.005686&z=18
In order to have authentic operation, you have to permanently moor your Kiev in the lake or pond of your choosing. You can retain the motors, batteries and "guts", just no operation allowed. %%
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Haha, I like that would save me a few dollars on radio stuff
Yes very good. Spent yesterday and today while watching Bathurst car racing on Nimitz remember her haha.
Will report later on that forum.
I did order Red/Brown paint so should be ok then. I also notice either olive or Khaki on her upper deck also along with the dark gray and with her Vtol being a Blue should be very colourful.
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I say paint her as you see fit, I was only trying to illustrate their current state.
I only wish they had refurbished both of these vessels instead of allowing them to stagnate; they appear to be very capable carriers, especially so with the modernization of the flight deck as the Indians are doing.
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Any one building one of these models should chack out this 1/144th scale build(it is the 1 that was in Model Boats Magazine) -
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=5903
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Yes I have painted her up now and the aircraft came on friday that is the 41's and the 29 helo's so will get a blue gray colour scheme ready for the jets and helo's are pretty nearly the same. I did not think there were so many colours that the russian navy used but I did have to find Russian green for part of the flight deck. But coming along slowly now.
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Hello Shipmates,
Sorry when I said painted her up, I might have been misleading in my comment.
I am painting away merrily and slowly when I choose for a break from Nimitz now and believe me lots of work still to be done.
Yes the aircraft have arrived. Kamov Ka-27's and Ka-29's and the Yak-141 Freestyle the closest I could get to the VTOL aircraft.
I have to get my colour scheme correct for them.
I have a Blue grey paint on hand which should be the correct paint for the 141's, but some pictures show a deeper blue, others cammo and others ???.
On the box from trumpeter is a combination of Blue grey and a darker grey so I guess its really up to me on which way to go.
I don't know how deep to make them blue (I have seen a really dark blue on some of them) if I choose to go that way, or just Blue/Grey them as the paint does dry with a bluish tinge to it.
I perhaps will put one together and paint it to see how she comes out.
Work so far.
(http://s14.postimage.org/wgtfjgztp/Nimitz_020.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wgtfjgztp/)
(http://s14.postimage.org/smzzabihp/Nimitz_021.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/smzzabihp/)
(http://s14.postimage.org/aa4fwvecd/Nimitz_022.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/aa4fwvecd/)
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Hello Shipmates,
just advising work continues on Kiev. New pictures will be shown soon.
The aircraft have arrived and are nearing completion and paintwork is also nearing completion.
Charles./
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Paint Paint Paint. I need this paint to arrive haha then we could get somewhere. Ah well cannot rush these things can we.
I have had an idea for the R/C to get me out of it fairly cheaply so that will help also.
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I've got 1 of these models from E-Bay a while ago. I plan to make it as a waterline model not RC.
The best reference for the Kiev is Dave Wooley's 1/144th scale build here -
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=5903 (http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=5903)
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Yes. If you do as good a job as this you will be aok haha. Here is me still trying. Thanks for info also Niall.
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I don't know, never did fancy the idea of hacking a beautiful (yes I said beautiful) hull in half just to make it appear as if it's 'at sea'. Can't think of another instance with model cars, model tanks, model aeroplanes or anything else where this is considered an option or, shall we say, widely practiced. Make it RC and... leave it on the shelf Niall.
{:-{ ok2 :-) :-) :-)
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I don't know, never did fancy the idea of hacking a beautiful (yes I said beautiful) hull in half just to make it appear as if it's 'at sea'. Can't think of another instance with model cars, model tanks, model aeroplanes or anything else where this is considered an option or, shall we say, widely practiced. Make it RC and... leave it on the shelf Niall.
It should be possible to make a waterline display of a complete hull. Need a fairly deep base and and for some hull profiles like this one a bit of ingenuity. In fact lots of possibilities, but I'm sure they've all been done before.
I might even try that on my own r/c boat.
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ive noticed in the posted people going on about water lining the hull. why cut the bottom off its .
get some 2 inch thick polystirn. take measurment of the lenght of the hull an slowly cut in the to the foam . an you put the model in the to the foam . make shore it fits right.
take it out . paint up the foam. an build a wooden box for the foam to sit in . an place the boat in to the foam. im shore the gentleman who done this beautiful model . will have no problem in paint foam, so atleast then it looks like in the water an a nice sunny day you can put in it the real water.
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This.
I have seen a diorama that someone built whereas the model was not waterlined but placed in a frame, the model nested within a plexiglass/acrylic "sea" where one could view the hull above and below the waterline from a sideview vantage point. I think the model was situated in a green/blue plexiglass/perspex "sea" and with light above, one could see the hull (illuminated by tinted green light) below. Looked splendid. I've also seen displays like Oci has mentioned (the best of both worlds) but I guess the decision lies in the builder. To each his own... :(( ok2
Waterlining the hull might probably be the best decision as it is much more "toylike" down there.
It should be possible to make a waterline display of a complete hull. Need a fairly deep base and and for some hull profiles like this one a bit of ingenuity. In fact lots of possibilities, but I'm sure they've all been done before.
I might even try that on my own r/c boat.
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Great suggestion really the foam. I like the display idea also from Harquebus with the lighting would look great then say in an old fish tank now that would be a show piece.