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Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: DickyD on October 04, 2012, 04:30:37 pm

Title: Titanic II
Post by: DickyD on October 04, 2012, 04:30:37 pm: Titanic II, the multi-million pound replica of Southampton's ill-fated liner, will set sail from the city on her maiden voyage in 2016.

The date was announced by the Australian billionaire, Clive Palmer, who is funding the construction of the ship, when he revealed that detailed plans and designs for the vessel will be made public in New York in a few weeks time.

Mining magnate, Palmer, said: “The first voyage remains set for 2016, with the ship due to sail from China, where she will be built, to Southampton ahead of her maiden passenger crossing to New York.''

The businessman intends to hold a gala dinner on the retired aircraft carrier USS Intrepid in New York harbour on Tuesday, December 4, where guests will be treated to a dinner from the same menu as Titanic passengers on the day she sank in April, 1912.

At the event further features of the new ship will be disclosed although it is already known the vessel will mirror her predecessor's dimensions, measuring 885 feet long, and more than 173 feet high, and weighing 40,000 tonnes.

Titanic II will have 840 cabins and nine decks and retain the first, second and third-class divisions of the original White Star liner, which sank, 100 years ago, with the loss of 1,500 lives after striking an iceberg on her maiden voyage.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9966395.Titanic_II_to_set_sail_from_Southampton_in_2016/
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: Netleyned on October 04, 2012, 04:36:20 pm: Where is the iceberg being fabricated?
Is the band being auditioned on the X factor?

Ned
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: F4TCT on October 04, 2012, 04:41:02 pm: I can't decide if this could be branded as dis-tasteful or not.

Wait and see what happens I guess.

Dan
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on October 04, 2012, 04:55:44 pm: What a fantastic idea, I cannot wait to see this sailing down the Solent...hang on, whats wrong with this bloke, tasteless or what...but I want to see it...aaaaargh!!! %%
My head has just exploded..........
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: cos918 on October 04, 2012, 05:47:58 pm: will be intresting to see his plans as SOLARS regs have changed a hell of a lot since the first ship was built ,Life boats and were they are placed will not be the same. Once the novitaly has worn off it will be intresting to see how this ship will perform on a financial bases

john
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: mikearace on October 04, 2012, 05:49:19 pm: Well here is hoping for a few things. 1 - she is luckier than the first one. 2. Her skipper takes heeds of warnings of icebergs. 3. She is better designed so that she can withstand more than four compartments flooding.

Putting aside all the nostalgia and mystique about her, the simple basic fact seems to be lost over the years that from start to finish she was an utter disaster of design and build and when sailed.
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: ardarossan on October 04, 2012, 06:00:49 pm: Whilst reading the news report and thinking this is wrong for so many reasons, an image of that infamous and cultured Australian, Sir Les Patterson popped into my head, and then it all made sense...

(http://s17.postimage.org/keqngc5jv/Sir_Les_P.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/keqngc5jv/)
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: grendel on October 04, 2012, 06:28:07 pm: perhaps they should build it as a submersible, then they could recreate the iceberg incident on each crossing?
Grendel
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: Bryan Young on October 04, 2012, 10:04:58 pm: And yet...and yet....
There have been so many (countless) moans and groans about the physical horridness and cloning of modern cruise ships and liners that I thought you may all have cheered the appearance of an old fashioned liner that is built to modern standards.
You can't have it both ways!
Just thinkk. Open Promenade decks. Room to move around without being in a shopping mall. Sounds good to me.
Personally I'd prefer to see one of the classical P&O or Orient liners being re-created. But whatever, think before you carp and I for one wish for its success. BY.
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: Peter Fitness on October 04, 2012, 10:58:46 pm: Call me cynical, but given Clive Palmer's record I will believe it when I see it. He's obviously a very smart man, and has made piles of money, but he is given to making rash and controversial statements, so I will wait and see.

Peter.
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: Colin Bishop on October 04, 2012, 11:17:26 pm: If it is eventually built it won't be a real replica due to current safety standards and the level of comfort that modern passengers require. I believe the real Titanic had shared bathrooms for even some first class passengers. Essentially it would just be a pastiche.

The old 'classic' P&O and Orient liners looked nice on the outside but a lot of their internal accommodation fell far short of standards expected today. What gave them their elegance was their beautiful sheerlines and that meant that every cabin had to be individually constructed to fit the curvature of the hull, just not possible these days when cabins are prefabricated and just dropped into place. Having travelled on Queen Mary 2, I still have reservations about her external appearance and proportions but once aboard she is a fabulous vessel in every respect and the Britannia restaurant must be just about the most impressive room you will see at sea these days.

Colin
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: CF-FZG on October 05, 2012, 05:08:56 pm: Wasn't this announced months ago??
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: Peter Fitness on October 05, 2012, 10:37:50 pm: Quote from: CF-FZG on October 05, 2012, 05:08:56 pm
Wasn't this announced months ago??

Yes, earlier this year.

Peter.
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: Brian_C on October 06, 2012, 11:05:37 am: sounds like a load of hot air to me,,, let me know when keel laying ceremony starts {:-{
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 06, 2012, 01:18:08 pm: He has a reputation here in Queensland for not following through. O0 O0
His previous announcement was to run for Parliament, didn't happen. :-)) :-))
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: Peter Fitness on October 06, 2012, 10:43:53 pm: Quote from: Brian_C on October 06, 2012, 11:05:37 am
let me know when keel laying ceremony starts

I wouldn't hold your breath.

Peter.
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: meechingman on October 07, 2012, 09:50:39 pm: Quote from: CF-FZG on October 05, 2012, 05:08:56 pm
Wasn't this announced months ago??
Like April .....1st? :D
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 07, 2012, 10:04:12 pm: Quote from: meechingman on October 07, 2012, 09:50:39 pm
Like April .....1st? :D

Close {-) {-) {-)

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/travel-news/clive-palmer-to-unveil-titanic-ii-design-in-new-york-20121003-26zde.html
Title: Re: MORE NEWS ON TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: DickyD on October 25, 2012, 06:18:38 am: Australian billionaire to reveal Titanic II blueprint in Southampton

5:10pm Wednesday 24th October 2012 in News

Titanic II plans to be unveiled in Southampton by billionaire

BILLIONAIRE, Clive Palmer, the Australian industrial magnate building a replica of Southampton’s ill-fated liner, Titanic, is to visit the city next month.

While in Southampton he will unveil blueprints for this project and also reveal further details about the vessel, due to arrive in Southampton for her maiden voyage in 2016.

“My time in the city will be very important to me as I am only too aware of the highly significant place Titanic holds in the history of the local community,’’ said Mr Palmer.

At a reception at the city’s Grand Cafe, which is part of the former South Western Hotel where many of Titanic’s passenger stayed before embarking, further features of the new ship will be disclosed.

It is already known the vessel will mirror her predecessor’s dimensions, measuring 885 feet long and more than 173 feet high, although she will be slightly wider to improve stability.

The businessman’s visit is part of a global tour to publicise his scheme to construct the 40,000 ton copy of the White Star ship which sank, with the loss of 1,500 lives, on her first trans- Atlantic crossing from Southampton to New York after striking an iceberg a century ago.

According to Mr Palmer, who has formed the Blue Star Line to build Titanic II, the ship will be constructed in conjunction with Finnish design company, Deltamarin, and Chinese shipbuilders, CSC Jinling Shipyard.

“Titanic II will have 840 cabins and nine decks and retain the first, second and third-class divisions of the original White Star liner,’’ said Mr Palmer, who hopes to visit the berth in Southampton’s Eastern Docks, from where the original ship departed in 1912.

“The first voyage remains set for 2016, with the ship due to sail from China to Southampton ahead of her maiden passenger crossing to New York. She will be every bit as luxurious as the original, but will have state-of the- art technology together with the latest navigation and safety systems.’’

Titanic II, which will be powered by diesel engines, have a larger rudder and be equipped with a series of bow thrusters, cannot be an exact replica of the original vessel as she will have to meet stringent, 21st century, maritime rules and regulations.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10004867.Titanic_II_plans_to_be_unveiled_in_Southampton_by_billionaire/
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: derekwarner on October 25, 2012, 06:30:43 am: Richard.....& all other Mayhem members.....the Australian identity Mr Clive Palmer is well known in OZ for reportedly making grandiose plans & then changing his mind at the last moment when a newer vision %) appeals O0

If the Titanic II eventuates and is a faithful reproduction of her internal design......in this day & age who would want shared bathroom & toilet facilities with hundreds of others? >>:-(

I will be surprised if she is ever built...........but will eat my words if it happens. :embarrassed:......Derek
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: Neil on October 25, 2012, 08:00:49 am: I am a true ~~septic~~.sceptic and a cynic.............but I would like to believe that this project would reach fruition

neil
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 25, 2012, 11:09:09 am: Derek,

you are aware that Clive is one of Queensland's favoured sons who can do no wrong %) %) %)

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Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 25, 2012, 11:13:50 am: Quote from: derekwarner_decoy on October 25, 2012, 06:30:43 am
.the Australian identity Mr Clive Palmer is well known in OZ for reportedly making grandiose plans & then changing his mind at the last moment when a newer vision %) appeals O0

He suffers from Shiny ball syndrome then
http://www.therisetothetop.com/davids-blog/do-you-have-shiny-red-ball-syndrome-turn-it-from-red-to-green/
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: derekwarner on October 25, 2012, 12:14:45 pm: Goodness {-) ...I might get moderated here

raaartygunner......it was only a few weeks ago he threw a few $M into the pot & wanted to knock Julia off <*<..............sorry.............I mean to enter politics & get the top job as PM of OZ

essex2visuvesi ....I really have no interest in the shiny colour of this...... or any other mans balls...... :} {-)

Derek :-))
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: NFMike on October 25, 2012, 09:43:46 pm: I wonder if he would have a slight change of mind and actually build it in Southampton. There are some metal bashers there with a big shed looking for work, and I'm sure they'd be happy to build something else beginning with a T.
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: Bigfella on October 26, 2012, 03:11:29 am: Although Clive Palmer is an eccentric I think this project will come to fruition. It will be a modern ship below decks with all the safety bibs and bobs and the luxury in the cabins that only people like Clive can afford. After all Palmer likes making money.
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 26, 2012, 05:04:30 am: Quote from: Bigfella on October 26, 2012, 03:11:29 am
Although Clive Palmer is an eccentric I think this project will come to fruition. It will be a modern ship below decks with all the safety bibs and bobs and the luxury in the cabins that only people like Clive can afford. After all Palmer likes making money.

Generally from minerals ie mining, but he could surprise us all
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 26, 2012, 07:41:21 am: You Never Know, Clive has delivered on the resort with Dinosaur so who knows, Titanic II next

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/palmer-coolum-resort-on-sunshine-coast-welcomes-first-of-a-proposed-150-dinosaur-attractions/story-e6freoof-1226503921168
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on February 16, 2013, 01:28:19 pm: Clive might build it after all????

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/clive-palmers-learns-lessons-of-titantic-and-includes-safety-deck-in-replica/story-e6freoof-1226579516065 (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/clive-palmers-learns-lessons-of-titantic-and-includes-safety-deck-in-replica/story-e6freoof-1226579516065)
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE (Trademark application)
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on February 20, 2013, 10:48:01 am: This will be interesting,

http://www.watoday.com.au/travel/travel-news/clive-palmer-to-trademark-titanic-gigantic-20130218-2engo.html (http://www.watoday.com.au/travel/travel-news/clive-palmer-to-trademark-titanic-gigantic-20130218-2engo.html)
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: U-33 on February 20, 2013, 11:20:32 am: "He owns a dinosaur..."

What's he got, a T Rex in his garden? That's what I call a guard dog!

Rich

Oh...cancel that, just read the story about his wildlife park. He does have a T Rex in his garden...

I'll get me coat.
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on February 20, 2013, 04:17:56 pm: I am considering a trademark application for the word 'PILLOCK', so, beware fellow Mayhemmers :}
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: Netleyned on February 20, 2013, 04:24:51 pm: So you will be the only guy allowed to be called a pillock :embarrassed: :embarrassed:

Ned
Title: Re: TITANIC II MAIDEN VOYAGE
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on February 20, 2013, 04:28:00 pm: And I shall defend my rights through the courts so watch it matey O0

May not have thought this one through properly, but I do own a dinosaur.
Title: Titanic II
Post by: Bryan Young on February 25, 2013, 02:05:38 pm: Surely I can’t be the only person on this forum to read the “Sunday Times”?
Anyway, this is the gist of a story that appeared yesterday…..
The Chinese shipyard CSC Jinling of Nanjing is upgrading its facilities preparing to build the “replica” of Titanic. It’s a 3 year project and is expected to cost more than £350m. At 885’ long and 187’ high, it will have 9 decks and 840 cabins to carry 2,400 passengers and 900 crew. Although the ship will attempt to faithfully replicate the originals exterior the interior will be modern high-tech. As will be the underwater part of the hull.
The ship will be operated by a subsidiary company of Australian mining billionaire Clive Palmers “Blue Star Line”.
Title: Re: Titanic II
Post by: Klunk on February 25, 2013, 02:25:48 pm: this was on here last year Nov/ Dec time! ;D
Title: Re: Titanic II
Post by: Klunk on February 25, 2013, 02:31:15 pm: http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=39881.msg398632#msg398632
Title: Re: Titanic II
Post by: cos918 on February 25, 2013, 04:43:55 pm: Bleave it when I see it

John
Title: Re: Titanic II
Post by: heritorasphodel on February 25, 2013, 05:44:50 pm: He wants to be able to say "I own the Titanic". In the process he is degrading her memory.

Andrew
Title: Re: Titanic II
Post by: ardarossan on February 25, 2013, 06:11:48 pm: Quote from: heritorasphodel on February 25, 2013, 05:44:50 pm
... In the process he is degrading her memory.

Andrew

It's an insult to all those that were lost, and/or lost friends/relatives/loved ones on the 'Titanic', but the original ship, it's owners and operators, have little to be remembered for.

Unfortunately, the passage of time often redefines an event, issue or story, and the same has happened with the 'Titanic' story.

I'm just trying to figure how BY Has managed to miss the original thread about this when it's cropped up?! %%

Andy
Title: Re: Titanic II
Post by: Rottweiler on February 25, 2013, 09:21:11 pm: all the respect for those who died went by the board when the wreck was pillaged for whatever artefacts that could be salvaged from the depths.
Mick F
Title: Re: Titanic II
Post by: Peter Fitness on February 25, 2013, 09:32:36 pm: Quote from: heritorasphodel on February 25, 2013, 05:44:50 pm
He wants to be able to say "I own the Titanic". In the process he is degrading her memory.

Andrew

I can't see how building a replica of "Titanic" degrades its memory, or dishonours those who died in the tragedy. I would have thought that the opposite could be true - building a replica honours the original vessel. Isn't that we we do, in effect, when we build a model of a particular ship?

I have to say that I will be surprised if it actually happens, although it's looking more and more likely. Clive Palmer has had some grandiose ideas before that have come to nothing.

Peter.
Title: Re: Titanic II
Post by: Bryan Young on February 25, 2013, 09:51:22 pm: Quote from: adross on February 25, 2013, 06:11:48 pm
It's an insult to all those that were lost, and/or lost friends/relatives/loved ones on the 'Titanic', but the original ship, it's owners and operators, have little to be remembered for.

Unfortunately, the passage of time often redefines an event, issue or story, and the same has happened with the 'Titanic' story.

I'm just trying to figure how BY Has managed to miss the original thread about this when it's cropped up?! %%

Andy
I didn't "miss" it at all......I just wanted to steer clear of all the arguments and simply give an update that appeared in yesterdays Times. I've got no interest whatsoever in joining the Ayes" or the Nays"....just a simple, unbiased bit of new(?) news. So leave me out of this one. BY.
Title: Re: Titanic II
Post by: Bob K on February 25, 2013, 10:49:42 pm: (http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n626/bobkiralfy/pigflyingicon_zps8d711a1f.jpg) ?
Title: Re: Titanic II
Post by: ardarossan on February 25, 2013, 11:23:18 pm: Quote from: Bryan Young on February 25, 2013, 09:51:22 pm
I didn't "miss" it at all......I just wanted to steer clear of all the arguments and simply give an update that appeared in yesterdays Times. I've got no interest whatsoever in joining the Ayes" or the Nays"....just a simple, unbiased bit of new(?) news. So leave me out of this one. BY.

Sorry BY, It was an assumption based on the fact that the article you included didn't really provide anything that hadn't already been covered, especially by DickyD (good on yer, matey) back in October 2012, and less in the way of 'latest news' than Raaartygunner added last week with the inclusion of a link to all the 'Titanic' trademark applications now being sought - Titanic III? Really?

I wonder when the lazy 'Sunday Times' journo' will learn of that tit-bit and write a follow up?

Andy
Title: Re: Titanic II
Post by: Jonty on February 27, 2013, 10:32:51 pm: I have this project to build a full-size passenger carrying replica of the R100 airship - remember you read it here first.

Psst, anyone like to buy some shares in this infallible money-maker?
Title: Re: Titanic II
Post by: Peter Fitness on February 28, 2013, 01:37:38 am: Quote from: Jonty on February 27, 2013, 10:32:51 pm
I have this project to build a full-size passenger carrying replica of the R100 airship - remember you read it here first.

Psst, anyone like to buy some shares in this infallible money-maker?
As long as you promise not to use Hydrogen (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/cheesy1.gif)

An article in the press here yesterday reported that the new Titanic would have 3 classes, and the passengers in each class would not be allowed in areas allocated to the other 2 classes. Clive Palmer stated he would travel 3rd class because he "likes bangers and mash" (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/shocked.gif)

Peter.