Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Full Scale Ships => Topic started by: Martin (Admin) on May 11, 2007, 06:16:45 pm
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Welcome to the "Real" ships section!
You guys must have loads of photos of ships, boats, submarines, yachts, etc, etc
Well here's the place to post them!
( For more into on posting photos on the forum: Click Here (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2277.0))
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Is this one big enough Martin?
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Heres one for you:
Clipper Adventurer leaving Portsmouth June 2005
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Kirsten, Southampton Water, November 2006
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I was going to to put these up as sample pictures but you obviously haven't got anything better to do.... ::)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/MartinFrance20030041a.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/P9137064.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/P9136984.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/P9137074.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/TugProps.jpg)
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This ones not going anywhere :(
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Is that a submarine in the foreground?!?!?
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This ones going nowhere too.
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A real ship
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Heres a nice little launch at The RYS Cowes
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1: part of a ship!
2: British Spey
3:British Reliance, later to star in Superman 2
4: unknown in Barrow docks
5: HMS Cumberland in Barrow docks
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Is that a submarine in the foreground?!?!?
Yes Martin, it's an old Russian one. They probably got it on EBay.
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Yeap, definitely a sub there!
Russian I'd say, possibly Foxtrot class which were the largest diesel-electric subs, 3 engines, she could even be "Scorpion" judging by the colour of the white paint.
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/queenmary.jpg)
http://www.queenmary.com/index.php?page=scorpioninformation (http://www.queenmary.com/index.php?page=scorpioninformation) ;D
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1: unknown
2:unknown c**k up
3:rudderman
4: ww2 sub taken during ww2 in Barrow waters
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Kirsten, Southampton Water, November 2006
So much for keeping a good lookout...what was the visibility from the bridge like? Minimal. And people wonder how ships can collide!
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Ashgarth in Birkenhead docks
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judging by the colour of the white paint.
??? ??? ???
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Two more.
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It's funny that modern cruise ships, although much bigger, don't look anything like as impressive as the traditional liners.
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Windermere Steamer.
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Blast from past and a couple of Queens.
Am I allowed to say that ? ???
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There you are Holmsey my mast is taller than yours. :P
Richard ;)
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The preserved 1930's Estonian Navy Vickers-built submarine and an early 20th century icebreaker in Tallin.
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Remember the Manxman.
She has now had a survey and the hull is sound, Another small step towards restoration.
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A tense moment
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It's funny that modern cruise ships, although much bigger, don't look anything like as impressive as the traditional liners.
That's because older ships were ships and built to look right. The modern cruise liner is designed to cram as much into available space as possible and ends up as a slab-sided barge with pointy ends and accommodation plonked on top.
Barry M
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Another You Tube clip: the Tay Ferries I remember from my school days. If we really ran, we could do a round trip (not getting off at the Fife end) in 5 minutes more than our dinner break. We had to be a bit tricky getting back into school, avoiding teachers, etc! Judging from cars etc, I reckon I would have been in primary school when this film was made – well before our later escapades.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oUJHosx64c
About halfway though the clip - is than a PUFFER in the background?
Bobdoc
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Solent 2005
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A couple more from my travels - Malta, this time.
A lovely "steam yacht" moored in Sliema Creek and a traditional "dghajsa" - albeit with outboard!
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Solent 2005 again
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Heading South. Next stop Perserverance Harbour, Campbell Is to service the weather station.
Bob.
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Taken in Rhodes, Greece. June 2006
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o27/telinengland/DSC00658Medium.jpg)
Taken in Conwy, North Wales. July 2006
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o27/telinengland/DSC00675Medium.jpg)
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Sydney Harbour
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It's funny that modern cruise ships, although much bigger, don't look anything like as impressive as the traditional liners.
One thing that has always put me off going cruising in one of the modern monsters is what kind of mayhem would result in the case of a major emergency away from land. Containing an emergency is hard enough with a trained crew never mind one with 6000 passengers to contend with. We had the ocassional exercise using the LSLs, local fire brigades and dozens of volunteer passengers. It was always treated by the "passengers" as a great laugh until we listed the ship 10 degrees or so. Very much real panic I'm afraid...and because of the list the rescue services could'nt get their gear on board. And this was just in Portland harbour! A major emergency will happen one day, and I'm afraid it will be another "Titanic" no matter how "it" is tackled. Count me out!
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Just being on board a ship with 5,999 other passengers would be enough to put me off!
Incidentally, during the recent Sea Diamond emergency it apparently took 3 hours to evacuate the passengers which was in part due to the list as Bryan mentions. Obligingly, the ship remained afloat long enough to allow this to be done. These big cruise ships are essentially fair weather vessels which rely on forecasting to avoid storms. When they do get caught out they don't take the weather well judging by some of the clips I have seen. Too shallow draught and too high sided. The Berlitz Cruising Guide makes the point that older, deeper draught "traditional" ships are more sea kindly.
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I've always said that booze, fags and flaking out in a bunk after too much of both was a recipe for disaster and that was with small crews on cargo ships. Just think how much more this multiplies on these enormous cruise ships where they encourage the passengers to 'enjoy' themselves .................God forbid, one of theses days.
MikeK
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Rescue/salvage of these beasts is a subject that is already exercising minds in the salvage industry. The interest is to a certain extent financial (salvage awards to reflect effort) but the practicalities obviously have to be worked out. Not for me - I prefer my ships compartmentalised and the huge open spaces in modern passenger vessels always make me wonder about damage-condition stability.
Barry M
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Taken at the Tall Ships on the Tyne 2005
My pal gave me a copy cd of all the pictures he took on that day. There are 256 pics on there so if anyone is after a specific picture of a sailing ship there is a good chance I will have it !
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Taken in Sydney Harbour Nov 2005, I was told it was delivering Toyota Cars.
The other Brian
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A thing of beauty eh ! ::) ::)
MikeK
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Beauty is not the first word that sprang to mind when saw it ;)
The other Brian
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Just two pics
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Endeavour in Hobart
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Enterprize in Hobart.........
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Hi Cbr, whats AESD when it's a t home??? That looks velly intellisting Mr Bond. :)
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Here are another 3 pictures all different
Bob
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How do you get more than one picture at a time?
Bob
Hold it. I found out all by myself.
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Mogsy,
It is a stealth type design for a submarine......
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CBR900 no its the large scale model for the projected Litoral Combat Ship ( DDX ) that the US Navy were going to build. It is a stealthy ship with pop-up gun's ( 6 or 8 inch on rising platforms below deck ) and a large arsenal of Tomahawk cruise missiles , Harpoon missiles and anti-aircraft missiles
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For your Delectation
LB
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Some more.
LB
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Liverbudgie
It is nice to see working boats that look like they do some work :D :D
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Some working boats in Illfracombe Oct 2006
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Thanks Davey for pointing out my error........
Roy
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Called Bareki,. the last timber tug still in us in Australia. Part of the Australian Heritage Fleet.
The other Brian
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Just being on board a ship with 5,999 other passengers would be enough to put me off!
Incidentally, during the recent Sea Diamond emergency it apparently took 3 hours to evacuate the passengers which was in part due to the list as Bryan mentions. Obligingly, the ship remained afloat long enough to allow this to be done. These big cruise ships are essentially fair weather vessels which rely on forecasting to avoid storms. When they do get caught out they don't take the weather well judging by some of the clips I have seen. Too shallow draught and too high sided. The Berlitz Cruising Guide makes the point that older, deeper draught "traditional" ships are more sea kindly.
5,999? I presume you meant me to be the 6.000th?
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Taken in Sydney Harbour Nov 2005, I was told it was delivering Toyota Cars.
The other Brian
A pal of mine was Captain of one of the large car transporter ships. He says he was never so lonely in his life. Only the CH.Engineer spoke English and half of the crew could'nt understand the other half. He had a nervous breakdown. And the money was'nt all that great either...nor was the non-existent (but promised) pension. At least the RFA delivered "the goods"!
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Actually the only vessel to come anywhere near the 6000 mark is the new Genesis class of passenger vessels currently due out in 2009 from RCI.
A more normal figure at the moment is around 3000. We have a total of 3600 crew and passengers.
As I mentioned on the thread regarding the Sea Diamond ships nowadays are inherently designed to float with two of thier vertical watertight compartments flooded but should they sink they are designed to sink in a vertical attitude. Why the Sea Diamond was listing so much I cannot even imagine but this concept has been designed into liners and passenger vessels since the Titanic where one of the big problems was that they couldn't fill the few boats they had because on one side they were sat against the hull and wouldn't drop and on the other side they were too far away from the ship.
Just to also try to get the numbers into context. No matter what the situation may be involving passengers or the public in any emergency the biggest loss of life will be as a result of panic. That can be on a London Bus, The Mersey Ferry or a transatlantic liner.
How many of you use supermarkets, theatres, cinema's or even a shopping mall? Who works in a large office building, uses the subway or even a train? In any of those situations no amount of fire regs or the training of the attending staff will prevent panic and the subsequent loss of life.
I can assure you that per head of passengers there are an infinately greater number of trained crew to at least try to deal with the situation than you will find in any of the situations mentioned above.
It's very easy to judge based on one incident but ships, companies and crews are as varied as everything else is in life.
Also remember that it is only the emergencies that go wrong that are reported. You don't hear about the emergency situations on ships that were successfully dealt with do you?
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Great...but does it matter that I do not beieve you? Supermarkets have car parks. Ships have an awfull lot of water around them. (You are never more than 2 miles from land).
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Actually the only vessel to come anywhere near the 6000 mark is the new Genesis class of passenger vessels currently due out in 2009 from RCI.
A more normal figure at the moment is around 3000. We have a total of 3600 crew and passengers.
As I mentioned on the thread regarding the Sea Diamond ships nowadays are inherently designed to float with two of thier vertical watertight compartments flooded but should they sink they are designed to sink in a vertical attitude. Why the Sea Diamond was listing so much I cannot even imagine but this concept has been designed into liners and passenger vessels since the Titanic where one of the big problems was that they couldn't fill the few boats they had because on one side they were sat against the hull and wouldn't drop and on the other side they were too far away from the ship.
Just to also try to get the numbers into context. No matter what the situation may be involving passengers or the public in any emergency the biggest loss of life will be as a result of panic. That can be on a London Bus, The Mersey Ferry or a transatlantic liner.
How many of you use supermarkets, theatres, cinema's or even a shopping mall? Who works in a large office building, uses the subway or even a train? In any of those situations no amount of fire regs or the training of the attending staff will prevent panic and the subsequent loss of life.
I can assure you that per head of passengers there are an infinately greater number of trained crew to at least try to deal with the situation than you will find in any of the situations mentioned above.
It's very easy to judge based on one incident but ships, companies and crews are as varied as everything else is in life.
Also remember that it is only the emergencies that go wrong that are reported. You don't hear about the emergency situations on ships that were successfully dealt with do you?
Great...but does it matter that I do not beieve you? Supermarkets have car parks. Ships have an awfull lot of water around them. (You are never more than 2 miles from land).
I'm not quite sure what there is to believe or otherwise. I simply stated a few facts and put forward another point of view. It doesn't take any believing.
As for supermarkets the whole point is getting to the car parks and our longest passage is 260 NM, although the relevence of that completely escapes me.
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A few years ago I was working In Chichester, One day the local Sainsburys went up in smoke the heat melted the carpark... it was lucky that there were not too many in the store at the time, even with the smoke and flame some customers wanted to keep on shopping you cant belive what reaction you get from some.
My point is I would rather be involved in an incident at sea than have my life in the hands of a achned youth who dosent give a dam earning minimum wage.
Big Geoff
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A few years ago I was working In Chichester, One day the local Sainsburys went up in smoke the heat melted the carpark... it was lucky that there were not too many in the store at the time, even with the smoke and flame some customers wanted to keep on shopping you cant belive what reaction you get from some.
My point is I would rather be involved in an incident at sea than have my life in the hands of a achned youth who dosent give a dam earning minimum wage.
Big Geoff
That was pretty much my point Geoff but don't mention that to Bryan, he won't believe you!!! ;)
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Nice to look at - not too sure about working on one !!
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T.S. Royalist leaving Cowes Yacht Haven, March 2007
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Taken this afternoon at Ellesmere Port
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This thread now has so many pictures it takes forever to load, even on my relatively fast broadband connection. Can we start a new one, please?
Rick
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Some more for looking. Cromarty Firth.
Bob
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Three from the Tyne, taken this afternoon, a rare sight on the River these days lads
aye
john e
bluebird
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heres a few pics i took tuesday morn of SAGA RUBY. EX VISTAFJORD entering the river tyne for the first time since she was launched back in 1973, and still has the lines of a real cruiseliner, not these 10 storey high block of flats on water. brian_c
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saga ruby
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Brian_c,
Now thats what a cruise ship should look like, not a multi storey carpark....... ;D ;D
Roy
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Ships seen in Lyme Bay and The Solent today:
HMS Mersey looking closlely at drifting yachts in Lyme Bay
Gipsy Moth IV arriving in Cowes
Largs Bay off Gilkicker
Illustrious at rest
Holmsey
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Flippin eck Dave, you were lucky to see some RN vessels stil operational, you sure they still belong to the RN? Or have they been sold yet? >:( ;D
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Some more RN ships, HMS Cornwall from about 15 feet.
Bloody noisy when your berthed next to her for 2 nights!
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Flippin eck Dave, you were lucky to see some RN vessels stil operational, you sure they still belong to the RN? Or have they been sold yet? >:( ;D
Paul
There are 3 sad looking Type 42s off The Hardway and Fearless and Intrepid are still moored off Priddys Hard. Mersey looked good in Lyme Bay as she stalked around us in the dawn light.
Holmsey
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That is a great picture of the mersey mate (another one of my old ships).Could make a nice picture to hang on the stairs or the toilet as that is the only place im allowed navy stuff.
Stu
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MGB 81 off Lymington this afternoon:
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Ah,,, that looks like the very boot that I caught a glimpse of during ch5's programme about PT Boats last eves. No tape available and couldnt watch as I was attempting to wrestle the rugrats into bed at a timely hour in a futile attempt to impress Mrs Mogsy at her homcoming. Wish I'd kept them up to watch tales of daring do now.
Did anyone view this (what would seem like a) televisual feast of Naval speed ????
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Sunning ourselves in Osborne Bay near Cowes yesterday when this went past, we had a grandstand view.
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Colin that is a georgious view
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Beautiful ship! I took quite a few pics but it was quite difficult as we were bobbing up and down and I was perched on the front of the boat hanging on for dear life. Here's a couple more:
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from an era when cruise ships looked like cruise ships, styled by ship designers, and didnt look like floating housing estates
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Beg to differ. They arent cruise ships they are liners. Dont make them anymore. :(
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If we want to be really pedantic I can assure you the QE2 is officially registered as a Cruise Liner so the real Liners in effect have already long gone.
Like it or not, and I'm one of the ones who don't, the QM2 is also officially registered as a Cruise Liner.
If you compare the hulls of the two there may be a significant argument for considering otherwise but the class of ship is still being built. I would be the first to admit though that a hull of the shape of the QE2 will never be built again. No one could afford either the luxury of the fine hull form costing you revenue generating space or the thickness of the plate which has helped her to survive for nearly fourty years.
Lovely shots Colin, get them while you can. I have been toying with the thought of one last trip on her but I'm sure it would only end up being depressing!!
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Watching her go by, she gave off an impression of gracefulness and power that modern cruise ships just can't match. (Makes 'em all look like RTRs! ;))
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It's also interesting to note that her engines are twice the size of a lot of ships many times bigger than her. This makes running her very expensive but nothing can come close to her for speed.
In the older days of the 5 day transatlantic crossings, when she cleared the Isle of Wight and the old man pushed her up it was just like accellerating in your car. The 9 MAN engines would all, one at a time, automaticaly start up, parallel and go on the board and share the load while the 45 MW main motors slowly build up speed and start to push that superb bow through the Atlantic faster and faster. An amazing experience.
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she's been decommissioned now by cunard, and is in dubai i think now, probably a floating hotel like her grandmother is in SF
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she's been decommissioned now by cunard, and is in dubai i think now, probably a floating hotel like her grandmother is in SF
??? ??? ??? Well I saw her on Tuesday afternoon heading out on a cruise to the Western Med which is when I took the pictures. She's not due to go to Dubai until October 2008. As far as the original Queen Mary is concerned, she's still moored as a floating hotel in Long Beach, California where I stayed on her in 2001 - not SF!
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Some photos I took on a trip to Newcastle NSW, at the mouth of the Hunter River. It's a big coal exporting port, and often has over 60 bulk carriers anchored off shore waiting for a berth. Occasionally one ends up on the beach, as did the Pasha Bulker recently.
Peter.
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A few of many I took at Portsmouth on Monday. The RN frigate is HMS Kent which put to sea just after I got to Gosport.
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A few of many I took at Portsmouth on Monday. The RN frigate is HMS Kent which put to sea just after I got to Gosport.
Nothing you did I hope Colin ;)
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No Richard, they were just awaiting my arrival before casting off.
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Cracking pix, Colin.
I once heard a question on a radio programme about the distance the QE2 could travel on one gallon of fuel. Six feet, no less!!
You've just reminded me of a holiday on the Isle of Wight in the early fifties. It was magical to see liners like the United States, France, and the Queen Mary coming up the Solent. I was on the GTS Tanker Auris in 1958/9 when she re-engined at Cammell Laird's and did her trials on the South coast. I climbed up one of the giant cranes at the opposite side of the berth to the Queen Mary where we were tied up and lost my nerve. The view of the Queen was beautiful from the jib with all deck lights on but I sat up there half the night too scared to climb down. Ah, sweet bird of youth. Thanks for the reminder, Colin.
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You're welcome Kiteman1. My Dad used to take me down to Southampton in the early 60s when I was still at school. You could get a pass to view the Queens if they were in dock but once you were through the gate you could go anywhere. I saw all the great ships of the day including the ones you mentioned plus Andes, Caronia, Olympia and many more. And because we usually went down on a Thursday, (Dad gave me a sickie from school and there was a weekly steam hauled service from Surbiton), we'd finish the day by watching a Union Castle liner sail for the Cape at 4pm.
If you are still in that area, have you seen the wonderful model of the docks which is on shop in Southampton maritime Museum and depicts their heyday in the 1930s?
Colin
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Aircraft carrier
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If you are still in that area, have you seen the wonderful model of the docks which is on shop in Southampton maritime Museum and depicts their heyday in the 1930s?
Colin
You're right Colin, well worth a visit. O0
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To answer your question, Colin, I haven't been to the Southampton area for over forty years. I now live in the Midlands about smack in the centre of the country. Unfortunately the better half regards boats as naff, but every time I see a merchant ship I get the urge again. You can never get the sea out of your blood once bitten.......... :'( :'(
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You're right there Kiteman :'(
Still miss it after 27 years.
Nige
(4th eng)
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Colin what are the parking cones around the grey warship does he get a ticket if he stays too long and where do they put the wheel clamp O0 ;D ;D ;D
Stavros
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They mark an exclusion zone around the aircraft carriers, keeps the bad people away, yachties and gin palaces. There is a Police launch that drifts around as well. I believe you get two warnings and then you are eating hot lead!!!!!
Holmsey
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Puffer VIC32 is still cruising the Caledonian Canal (and the West Coast.) She came through Muirton Locks today. Got a wee walk-around and look inside,saw the new boiler and then camera battery went flat !!!!! If you want a nostalgic steam trip see www.savethepuffer.co.uk
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Thought some people might like to see the latest state of play on Monitor M33 being restored at Portsmouth. Quite a lot of progress over the last few months.