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Title: Windows 8
Post by: TheLongBuild on January 08, 2013, 01:20:55 am
So , Who has upgraded !!  and do you like it. %%
I have just finished upgrading as I was able to get a cheaper copy off the back of the unfortunate demise of Comet. I was not intending to upgrade just yet, however my computer decided that it was not going to see the new year in but did give me warnings so was able to backup Emails etc., Main files are on a separate drive but that has promoted me to start to back them up as well..
My initial reaction was what the (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11159.0;attach=115774;image)$(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11159.0;attach=115774;image)$&^y LL Is this rubbish and was about to revert back to W7.
W8 would not recognise my 2nd optical drive or even the main Hard drive, but I decided to persevere, and have most things up and running again  :-)) it seems  8) not that I don't trust MS !!. Have now found a use for the Microsoft windows key.. :} as it now seems to do something useful.
Overall I think it has potential, will get some getting use to in navigating around the system but we must move on and its not vista, next step Solid state drive..
Once I have worked out the apps bit I am going to see if I can make me a Mayhem app to have on the front page.. ok2
Larry R.
Ps
Is it me or does the first emicon look like its on speed, not that I know what that is..
 
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: essex2visuvesi on January 08, 2013, 05:22:46 am
It's not too bad once you get the hang of it, and its far better when used with a touch screen display.  My wife's new laptop has it and she is slowly figuring it out.
The main issue she is finding is that the Metro version internet explorer is even more hopeless than the normal one, it struggles with many websites and from what I can see doesn't allow tabbed browsing.
She has been trying the firefox metro browser and that seems to be a bit better.
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: barriew on January 08, 2013, 07:39:42 am
I intend to grab a cheap download copy before the end of January, but I may not install  immediately. I like trying new things,  but would prefer a spare PC to try it out  on. My copy of Win7 is getting sluggish at times, so  I need to  re-install in any case, so thought Win8 was worth a try.
I'm not convinced about the value of touch screens on a desktop PC though. Its OK on my Android tablet, but for real work I prefer a desktop, but then the first computer I used was fed with punched cards {-) %% {-) %% .



Barrie
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: grendel on January 08, 2013, 07:59:20 am
the wife got a new laptop with it on and the first 2 days I just hid as she was screaming at it, but she seems to have got the hang of it now, as for me, I have vista on my laptop and xp on my work machine and printer server (this runs a 10" touch screen that is old style and probably coming up for 8-10 years old (was originally the control screen for a scanner copier)).
being a clever dick I can run all my machines from my laptop (using a remote access program) and when working use a similar system to link to my computer at work (as I work from home now).
most of my (expensive) working software would have to be  replaced if I upgraded so I will be sticking with what I have for now.
Grendel
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: Artistmike on January 08, 2013, 08:41:37 am
A bit like Grendel I have a home network for work and play and that is currently being run on XP still. I manage to run what I need currently on these by maxing out the machines with as much Ram as XP will take and using good graphics cards so I've not yet felt the need to move up to a newer version of Windows.

I am considering it though, Adobe for work is fine and running my train and ship simulators is OK at the moment but if I want the latest versions I'll need a bit more oomph ! I'm not sure though whether I'd go to Windows 8 as Windows 7 in a suitable machine would do everything I need and more..... The only real difference on Windows 8 is the touch facility and I don't need that so I just don't need to go the more expensive route really..... I've also not heard anything that really makes me say ' I definitely want that !'

I wonder which way the next iteration of Windows will go ..... This poll on Computeractive was pretty definite about what their readers thought of Windows 8 .. http://www.computeractive.co.uk/computer_active/poll/2259/do-you-have-windows-8 (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/computer_active/poll/2259/do-you-have-windows-8)
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: pettyofficernick on January 08, 2013, 09:20:06 am
XP for me all the time, my PC runs fine and I feel that there is no need to change just to increase the profits of Microsoft, I have 4 gigs of ram and a Geforce 9500 GT with 2 gigs if video ram and I have no issues whatsoever. I built my computer about 8 years ago and it is still going strong. :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: essex2visuvesi on January 08, 2013, 05:12:32 pm
Suprisingly windows 8 performs better on lower spec machines than windows 7  :o


Quote from: grendel on January 08, 2013, 07:59:20 am
the wife got a new laptop with it on and the first 2 days I just hid as she was screaming at it, but she seems to have got the hang of it now,


LOL sounds familiar! I did offer to reformat her laptop with W7 but she has got the hang of it now and is actually starting to like it. 
I can see the advantages for the "browser" user, but it's a real p.i.t.a if you need to do some "proper" work on it
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: Netleyned on January 08, 2013, 06:03:21 pm
Quote from: pettyofficernick on January 08, 2013, 09:20:06 am
XP for me all the time, my PC runs fine and I feel that there is no need to change just to increase the profits of Microsoft, I have 4 gigs of ram and a Geforce 9500 GT with 2 gigs if video ram and I have no issues whatsoever. I built my computer about 8 years ago and it is still going strong. :-)) :-)) :-))

Is it plank on frame or fiberglass hull??

Ned
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: pettyofficernick on January 08, 2013, 06:54:04 pm
Quote from: Netleyned on January 08, 2013, 06:03:21 pm
Is it plank on frame or fiberglass hull??

Ned

Neither, It was built by the 'Bread and Butter' method...... :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: meechingman on January 08, 2013, 10:04:34 pm
I'm with Nick. Still on XP with 4GB RAM. Not a flicker of a problem in the 4 years since I built this one.


PC professional son has just built a new PC so I'm inheriting a hard drive and another 4GB of RAM, for which I have the vacant slots. I will then dual boot via the BIOS, so I effectively have my existing very stable XP set up and a new Win 7 one. Although my CPU is only clocked at 2.4 GHz, he's been running his identical system at 3.8 GHz - that's some overclock. As there is also a spare CPU, It won't matter if I toast this one!


But Win 8? I think not, I'll let it settle for a year or two - and maybe even skip to Win 9.  :}


Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: TheLongBuild on October 17, 2013, 10:59:09 pm
Having got used to W8 and IMHOP its not that bad if you work with it   :-))
 
Microsoft have released as a free upgrade W 8.1 this has to a degree re-introduced the start Button as well as a few other bits  8)
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: Peter Fitness on October 18, 2013, 06:46:02 am
I'm using Windows 8 simply because my new lap top (touch screen) came with it installed. I don't mind it and have had no real problems other than backwards compatibility with some programs. My biggest gripe is that it refuses to run Flight Simulator 9 or even Flight Simulator X, after installing the software it informs me that it is unable to run it >>:-(  I have looked on the internet and found that while some people are able to run it, many are not. I'm thinking of trying to get hold of an earlier machine with XP installed, and also with a decent graphics card.


I was going to buy a new desktop PC but decided on the lap top, which I use at home with a 21" external monitor, using the lap top as the keyboard. When we go away I can take the lap top with me and all my files are then at hand.


Peter.
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: Martin (Admin) on October 18, 2013, 01:51:12 pm
 
This laptop has Windows 8 - hate it!   >>:-(

Personally I think Microsnot misread their target audience again ( Vista, Windows phone ) and have pushed out an ill conceived product.  I'm hoping it's better on a touch screen or tablet but on a standard it's terrible and completely out of sync with P and Windows 7. It is fast, I'll give it that but switching between tasks is tricky,  can't seem to close apps down, search function doesn't exist in many apps, everything is an addon, move the mouse too far and idiot pop ups, very irritating "start" screen, Shutdown is a multi click faff, etc, etc.

I notice Steve Balmer (Microsoft 'Monkey man')  has "retired"....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23815316
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: TheLongBuild on October 18, 2013, 01:53:59 pm
Download 8.1  Martin... You Will learn to Love it    8)
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: chipmonk on October 18, 2013, 03:29:08 pm
Hi there all, to add my observations. I am staying with win 7. for a desk top system win 8 isn't worth the upgrade. My system started running slowly (10mins to boot) so as it needed a reinstall. I added a SSD (solid state drive) and did a fresh win7 install and WOW it goes like lightening (45 seconds to boot). So will I be putting win 8 on it? NO WAY. ;)
Cheers Chris M
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: bj on October 18, 2013, 04:07:05 pm
You can downgrade to Win 7 64 bit PRO if your Win 8 software came with a new PC
See http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en-gb/licensing/sblicensing/pages/downgrade_rights.aspx#fbid=oySpy0toWJY (http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en-gb/licensing/sblicensing/pages/downgrade_rights.aspx#fbid=oySpy0toWJY)
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: davidm1945 on October 18, 2013, 04:52:00 pm
  Hi All,
It is my opinion that :-
Windows 95 was full of bugs and rather than fixing them Microsoft brought out Windows 98.
 Windows 98 was full of bugs and rather than fixing them Microsoft brought out Windows 2000.
Windows 2000 was full of bugs and rather than fixing them Microsoft brought out Windows ME.
Windows ME was full of bugs and rather than fixing them Microsoft brought out Windows XL.
Windows XL was full of bugs and rather than fixing them Microsoft brought out Windows Vista.
Windows Vista was full of bugs and rather than fixing them Microsoft brought out Windows 7
Windows 7 was...............Well you see the pattern emerging!

 
The problem with computer programmers is that they write programs to show other computer programmers just how clever they are to be able to write such complicated programs, rather than to show the user how easy it is to use the program. (Discuss!)

 
Yes, I am using Windows 8 and if you delete all the nonsensical, unnecessary rubbish (mostly applications) it can be made to work quite well, I just envy my son who has an Apple Mac!

 
Dave
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: NFMike on October 18, 2013, 05:10:20 pm
Quote from: TheLongBuild on October 18, 2013, 01:53:59 pm
Download 8.1  Martin... You Will learn to Love it    8)
Car salesman: "Buy this car ... You Will learn to Love it"
Potential customer: [Exits scene, with haste]




Microsoft have been alternating acceptable (95, XP, W7) and poor (98, Vista, W8) for some years, so W8 being a bit of a mess was no surprise. We went from XP to 7 which is fine for us (and an SSD certainly improves it), so if we have another MS system it would be W9 or whatever it is called.
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: TheLongBuild on October 18, 2013, 06:47:18 pm
Well I'm Liking 8.1 at the moment  :-))
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: Netleyned on October 18, 2013, 06:51:50 pm
Has Bill got you on commission?   %%

Ned
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: TheLongBuild on October 18, 2013, 06:59:00 pm
I wish.. %)

I did not like it at first, but learnt how to adapt and get round things, I missed the Start button, but when you started to use it more all the items are there just in a different area.  As regards programmes, Games etc not working well that has been the case from day 1 after an upgrade.. But then VHS cassettes won't play in a DVD player ! , I view it as much the same.. Annoying, admittedly at times but inevitable..  %% %%

Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: derekwarner on October 18, 2013, 09:11:18 pm
Isn't it nice how Mr Gates programs our lives  >>:-( ...appears he has me planned in until January 14, 2020 .......that's if I last that long  {-)  .......Derek
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* Support for Windows 7 RTM without service packs ended on April 9, 2013. Be sure to install Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/install-windows-7-service-pack-1) today to continue to receive support and updates.
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 18, 2013, 09:48:39 pm
 
One wonders what would have been had you all stuck with XP ?????????????
 
Been to Windows 7, back to XP pro with SSD. Starts in 30 seconds great improvement.
 
Of course they will not fix anything as long as you consumers race out and buy windows, 9, vospa, 10, extra, 11 etc,etc.
 
There was brilliant article written about technology, and in particular iphones, which are up to iphone 5, only because people buy them because of, "I want the latest and greatest mentality" and the consequent wastage of old phones etc.
 
We need to KISS more.
 
 
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: grendel on October 18, 2013, 10:28:54 pm
in the very early days hard drive space was a premium, people wrote the code to take out as much as they could and still work. then bigger hard drives became available, so the code got untidy, so more features could be added, new features replaced the old way of doing things, but the embedded code remained, you could still do things the old way too, eventually programmers just added new features willy nilly, old code was left in and software became slower (well the machine ran faster so nobody noticed)and more bloated with useless code, thus developing into the systems we have today.
Grendel
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: Martin (Admin) on October 19, 2013, 03:04:36 am

looks Windows 8.1 has just been officially released to the public:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24564738
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/meet
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: derekwarner on October 19, 2013, 03:43:47 am
Yes Martin...........in stores 18/10 [yesterday] in OZ................for just $148.00........for all those millions of poor souls world wide inflicted with another MS catastrophe
Is there a free upgrade? .....like Win7 SP1..............or only a saleable item? <*< >>:-(   %% .................... Derek
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: Martin (Admin) on October 19, 2013, 04:18:56 am
 
..... downloading the free service pack now...

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/meet

     It's HUGE!
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: derekwarner on October 19, 2013, 06:31:19 am
Well Martin....congratulations.... {-) looks as though you have spoken to someone in the Microsoft Avenue  Redmond VA ....publicity Dept  <:( :P to get a nautical image into their home page  ........nice battered Stdb bow on the waterline shown there  %) %) %)  .....does this represent anything?................... O0 .....Derek
 
 
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: TheLongBuild on October 19, 2013, 08:02:51 am
Quote from: derekwarner_decoy on October 19, 2013, 03:43:47 am
Yes Martin...........in stores 18/10 [yesterday] in OZ................for just $148.00........for all those millions of poor souls world wide inflicted with another MS catastrophe
Is there a free upgrade? .....like Win7 SP1..............or only a saleable item? <*< >>:-(   %% .................... Derek

Nope it is a free upgrade if you have Windows 8

As Martin says it is a large update so looks like they have re-written a lot of stuff..


Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: TheLongBuild on October 19, 2013, 08:08:35 am
Quote from: RAAArtyGunner on October 18, 2013, 09:48:39 pm

One wonders what would have been had you all stuck with XP ?????????????
 
Been to Windows 7, back to XP pro with SSD. Starts in 30 seconds great improvement.
 

Out of interest what size SSD do you have and how much room does the OS take up ?.
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: grendel on October 19, 2013, 08:17:26 am
I always liked the microsoft advert - windows, a world without walls..... if you dont have walls, why would you need windows?
grendel
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: Martin (Admin) on October 19, 2013, 11:10:52 am
 
Windows 8.1 not looking too bad!?!!  :o
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: Bob K on October 19, 2013, 11:16:41 am
If you are into Smartphones and your main uses are social networking on Facebook and Twitter then Microsoft appear to have created Windows 8 just for you.  However, a desktop is inconvenient for telephone calls and camera use.   
 
No doubt market research into what users actually wanted was opted out to the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation, who will be first against the wall when MS shares collapse.
 
According to the Hitchhikers Guide on Sirius Cybernetics based products "it is very easy to be blinded to the essential uselessness of them by the sense of achievement you get from getting them to work at all."
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: derekwarner on October 19, 2013, 11:51:11 am
Bob K said.......... "Sirius Cybernetics Corporation, who will be first against the wall when MS shares collapse" :(( .....
According to our OZ listings......Microsoft lost US$14.00/per share last week or ..........US$2.5B in lost script?  Derek

 
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: Bob K on October 19, 2013, 12:24:19 pm
So true Derek.
 
Sadly the PC manufacture industry is also in collapse, IMHO mainly due to customer reluctance to take on post-XP operating systems.  Does anyone listen to customer feedback?   I will ask two questions :
a)  Why has MS never included even a basic backup application?
b)  As the world’s leading authority on their own system vulnerabilities why are we obliged to buy third party anti virus software?  It should be part of the O/S.
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: NFMike on October 19, 2013, 12:55:24 pm
Quote from: Bob K on October 19, 2013, 12:24:19 pm
So true Derek.
 
Sadly the PC manufacture industry is also in collapse, IMHO mainly due to customer reluctance to take on post-XP operating systems.  Does anyone listen to customer feedback?   I will ask two questions :
a)  Why has MS never included even a basic backup application?
b)  As the world’s leading authority on their own system vulnerabilities why are we obliged to buy third party anti virus software?  It should be part of the O/S.
I doubt if O/S dissatisfaction has much to do with the decline in PCs - it's the rise of other more portable hardware that is the main cause.

MS has to be a bit careful with anti-trust/monopoly accusations with what they supply as part of the OS - look at the grief they got over IE - so a lack of optional packages is no surprise. Apple is a relatively minor supplier so can get away with being much more exclusive.
But saying that there is a basic backup in Win7, though I think it is just a disc image utility.
And you are certainly not obliged to buy third party AV software - there are a number of free AV packages including MS own (Security Essentials), which incidentally caused a cry of 'foul' from the AV vendors when it was introduced.
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: NFMike on October 19, 2013, 01:01:54 pm
Quote from: TheLongBuild on October 19, 2013, 08:08:35 am
Out of interest what size SSD do you have and how much room does the OS take up ?.
I'm not RAAArty but we have a 240GB SSD and Win7 takes about 33GB.
You do need to have a reasonable amount of 'unused' disc with current SSDs so it can 'wear-level' and use spare space when parts eventually become knackered, but we do perhaps have an excess of excess  :-)
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 19, 2013, 01:31:06 pm
Quote from: TheLongBuild on October 19, 2013, 08:08:35 am
Out of interest what size SSD do you have and how much room does the OS take up ?.

From Disc mangement,
 
C, capacity 55.89, percentage free 70%
D, (SATA)  186.31  "        "        "   92%
 
D is for programs etc, operating sytem, XP, on C.
 
Hope it makes sense.
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 19, 2013, 03:15:29 pm
Quote from: Martin (Admin) on October 19, 2013, 03:04:36 am

looks Windows 8.1 has just been officially released to the public:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24564738 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24564738)
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/meet (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/meet)


Be afraid.... be very afraid!


Just spent the morning sorting out issues this "upgrade" has caused to perfectly working systems
But it's Saturday and overtime rates apply.... even for remote support :D
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: HawkEye on October 19, 2013, 08:46:53 pm

Ah! Windows 8 - perhaps you should have a look here -

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/08/22/germany-warns-windows-8-is-dangerous-is-microsoft-a-giant-short/

For all other versions of windows there's this link -

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/microsoft-programmed-in-nsa-backdoor-in-windows-by-1999.html

What about giving one of the MANY distributions of Linux a try!

Operating system -Free
Office Packages - Free
Video / Graphics editors - Free
41000 other packages - free

There are plenty of flavours to appeal to almost everyone. For those a little scared of it...I recommend one of the Linux Mint versions,KDE is my favourite,it feels a lot like windows,is extremely elegant and incredibly stable, a quick demo can be found here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtuRC5jZT8Q

Linux Mint 13 ( old versions )- KDE vs MATE vs Cinnamon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW9CNk3V2cc

And for those that say...I need to run software that only runs on windows...There's a program called Wine that will run a lot of windows programs or you could always elect to dual boot during installation.

Please PLEASE people! Shed your misconceptions! Try Linux, download a version and run it from cd, see if you like it ( no changes are made to your computer unless you install ).
Like everything new.. there is a learning curve with Linux , and like everything else the more you put into it the more you get out.
If you have a new laptop....you need disable UEFI in the bios.

No need for anti virus or malware protection, but Linux is vulnerable to corrupted code from source just like any other OS.
However, it will not go unnoticed.
All the code gets gone over again and again by thousands of developers who have to modify their own packages to suit any changes made.
People will know very quickly if malicious code gets inserted.
I don't know how Linux could ever be compromised without a solution spreading through the community like wild fire.

Posted using Firefox on Linux Mint KDE

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0

HawkEye

Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: grendel on October 19, 2013, 09:33:08 pm
just spent all day trying 5 different linux distro's on my desktop, 1 was wrong processor, another failed to run, an older version booted up to an unreadable desktop, - that was ubuntu, tried another couple of live disks, loaded ok, but selection menus didnt display properly, if its going to be that fussy I will stick with XP on the machine (all live CD's worked fine on my laptop) unfortunately I dont have a linux compatible version of my CAD software either.
I used to dual boot my laptop with ubuntu, but most specialist software I run is windows based.
Grendel
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: HawkEye on October 19, 2013, 09:42:28 pm
I've just discovered this so thought I'd better post it to save some people a lot of problems  {:-{

Microsoft took its Windows RT 8.1 ( tablet version ) update offline until further notice on Saturday, after users reported that it resulted in bricked devices and lost data.

http://mashable.com/2013/10/19/microsoft-removes-windows-8-1-update/

HawkEye
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: w3bby on October 19, 2013, 10:23:16 pm
Just soooo MS, crap system and disastrous upgrade. Had to go to W7 at work, updated and lost nearly all my fonts. Known issue, tried all the fixes and still no fonts... Wish my XP system hadn't dumped....
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 19, 2013, 10:24:48 pm
Am told by users and Gurusalike, which I was not aware of, that XP needs to stay as there are lots of diagnostics used in Mining Automotive and the like which run only on XP.
 
Well at least here in OZ. My Guru, Microsoft accredited etc, 'sells" win 7, yet when I complained about, installed XP Pro on my Win 7 machine.
 
So the question remains the mining and automotive users need XP, some are actively still sourcing and replacing laptops, for field use with XP.
 
They have no intention of dumping XP????????????????????????????
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: grendel on October 20, 2013, 08:55:48 am
not just mining and automotive, in the electrical industry a lot of the relay programming software is only XP compliant - the new operating systems changes in the way things work make them incompatible with the interfaces to the relays, I had a similar problem with an automatic upgrade to internet explorer 9, it stopped several programs working, so I had to uninstall and roll back to ie 8, even though I dont use it as a browser, but still it messed up my software.
Grendel
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 20, 2013, 09:38:36 am
 
It then raises the question that as there is definite need for XP if only for industrial usage and there is a need to maintain it as such.
 
Really dumb marketing to shut it down eventually.
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: Circlip on October 20, 2013, 01:55:53 pm
According to one report, there are 45Million users world wide who are not considering changing from XP after the cut off date.
 
  Regards   Ian.
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: NFMike on October 20, 2013, 10:43:37 pm
The only real risk with keeping XP is security, especially once MS stop all support (and expecting them to continue free support ad infinitum is not reasonable).
Continued users will generally fall into one of three categories:
1/ Standalone computers that are never networked, or only to closed networks where malware is very unlikely.
2/ Computers which are 'supported' by competent users with hefty anti-malware systems to prevent infections.
3/ People who don't know or don't care about malware.

One would hope that industrial and commercial systems would fall into category 1 or 2, but sadly a lot are 3s and will probably come a cropper at some stage - like Iran's nuclear refinement systems.

There is an expectation that the number of XP systems will drop significantly by next summer, but there will probably still be 10 million or more active IIR the figures correctly.
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: malcolmfrary on October 21, 2013, 11:27:10 am
For those poor souls unfortunate enough to have paid perfectly good money for a Surface RT when they thought they were buying a computer, http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/software/3474520/microsoft-yanks-windows-81-update-for-surface-rt-after-blue-screen-of-death-reports/?cmpid=HTML-N211013&olo=newsletter
You do have to wonder what they are smoking in Redmond when MS's own upgrade trashes what they claim was their very own flagship product.
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: U-33 on October 21, 2013, 01:57:28 pm
I bought a Surface RT...what a piece of junk it is. I've lost the home screen, the display has gone completely mad, and the icons are so small I can't see them. I wish I'd never bought the thing now.   <*<
Title: Re: Windows 8
Post by: malcolmfrary on October 21, 2013, 07:26:21 pm
Just seen this - http://www.majorgeeks.com/news/story/microsoft_releases_recovery_image_for_winrt.html (http://www.majorgeeks.com/news/story/microsoft_releases_recovery_image_for_winrt.html)
It fixes MS's RT cock-up, but you need a good link and a proper PC to make it work.  It's a 3-and-a-lot Gig download.