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Title: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on January 23, 2013, 06:15:54 pm
Ive spoken about it in a few threads, so heres my incarnation of the maggie m
 
it was started slightly before RJR, but stopped and forgotten about, due to other comitments. I started off following the instructions closely and then had a change of heart, i wanted to modernise into something resembling what it looks like today.
RjR was doing a great job with his, most other maggie m's kind of follow the kit, this inspired my thread on whether to stay true to the kit or not.
 
At the moment i have detailing to do from the wheelhouse to the stern, another coat of white, and ill need to try and fix window surrounds to narrow the window posts, as these were according to the kit and are a bit chunky, one of teh drawbacks changing you mind halfway through  %)
 
(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7721/dscn9054g.jpg)
 
 
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1554/dscn9055f.jpg)
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 08, 2013, 12:09:17 am
So im in the final stages now, just some minor touches. I need to add domes the liferaft cannisters supplied are way out of scale so i need to manufacture something for that. I have to make the trawl doors and just finally add the nets to the drums etc....a few decals still to go.
 
Im going to seriously think about weathering, im thinking very subtle
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8103/8454817290_47fec18163_z.jpg)
 
 
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8390/8454818098_fd88b795dc_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: Capt Podge on February 08, 2013, 01:00:32 am
That's a bonny looking model you have there Chris - well done.  :-))
 
Weathering's a personal choice - just be careful not to overdo it.
 
Regards,
 
Ray.
 
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: Norseman on February 08, 2013, 01:01:08 am
Looking forward to your weathering Chris
I hope to pick up some decent tips ....

but no copper coins please  {-)

Dave
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: Neil on February 08, 2013, 10:53:18 am
a lovely job.........I've always liked the Maggie M...............she makes into a superb model, and so many variants of the 87 footer to choose from if you don't particularly want the Maggie M.
 
you've done a lovely job there.
neil.
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on February 08, 2013, 11:58:50 am
Very tidy model.
As a proponent of weathering everything, that is almost too nice to slap rust on :-))
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: adamD98 on February 08, 2013, 03:57:08 pm
A lovely looking model indeed. Well done  :-))
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 08, 2013, 08:01:09 pm
Cheers guys
 
Dave... i see you were up late again  {-)
 
unbuiltnautilus.....it is a dilemma i like clean, but i also like used and well worked.....
 
Neil.....it is a very versatile kit, a friend of mine had a Maggie m he was wanting rid of and ive helped him out my plans are to renovate it into "ARKH ANGELL" K616 which used to be run from the orkneys....like you say there were dozens built and operational particularly here in scotland.
 
captain podge.....ill certainly not be overdoing the weathering ive seen an example on here recently where the guy weathered it to a rust bucket....way ott.....
 
im thinking of dulling in areas, with perhaps a hint of rust stain, not real rust as such....im hoping it will be subtle enough, but still have a realistic look....
well it looks decent in my head  %% {-)
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: Neil on February 08, 2013, 09:48:16 pm
will I see you sailing it on the Largs pool this summer chris.........hope so if you up that way during early august.
 
neil.
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 08, 2013, 10:20:55 pm
yes every chance
 
now im a bit more in the swing of model boat clubs and meets...i shall be planting my posterior at events....its all the more handy now i have a couple of boats ready {-)
 
its maybe a long shot neil......a year ago i bought some model boat bits of a guy in your area, he had a pegasus 3 that he called "lady paige"....he was a nice fella said he couldnt do modelling anymore as his arthritis in the hands was making it difficult.....dont suppose its a small world and you know who im talking about lol....
 
ps the lady paige needs a fair bot of tlc  :D
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chipchase on February 08, 2013, 10:33:08 pm
 You have made a lovely job of her Chris; I will be watching the weathering progress with interest. To be honest I have never had the nerve to attempt weathering in case I make a right mess of it after spending months on the build. 
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 08, 2013, 10:42:01 pm
im the same chipchase
 
its something that really can go wrong and ruin it all. Its exciting but nerve racking at the same time. I will be spraying a few test panels and trialing before i go any where near the boat.
 
i can always rest with the notion that fishing boats are painted by fishermen not painters...and for that true authentic look it can be rough as a badgers erse  :-)
 
you will be in a similar position, amity cries out for a gentle weathering....too pristine and that aint jimmy lol {-)
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chipchase on February 08, 2013, 11:08:13 pm
 I have been brush painting the bulwarks under the shelter deck today and looking at the finish I am certainly no painter, it might look a bit better after a good night’s sleep.
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: Neil on February 08, 2013, 11:12:49 pm
yes every chance
 
now im a bit more in the swing of model boat clubs and meets...i shall be planting my posterior at events....its all the more handy now i have a couple of boats ready {-)
 
its maybe a long shot neil......a year ago i bought some model boat bits of a guy in your area, he had a pegasus 3 that he called "lady paige"....he was a nice fella said he couldnt do modelling anymore as his arthritis in the hands was making it difficult.....dont suppose its a small world and you know who im talking about lol....
 
ps the lady paige needs a fair bot of tlc  :D

what was his actual name Chris, can you remember.
neil.
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 08, 2013, 11:27:20 pm
sorry neil...it would be a pure guess
 
he lived in thornton clevleys....he made a dolls house ...he had a number of projects highly unfinnished....totomares....inshore crabber hull....had small plastic boats like the rnli £ 40 arun small czech police boat......meh it was a long shot  :-))
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: Norseman on February 09, 2013, 10:04:08 am
Re weathering. I guess the only way I would ever try it is with some material I had painted side by side with the build in the same colours. At least I would have a little preview of the dried states before attempting to weather the model.Pristine is lovely on most models but I always like to see fishing boats weathered.

Dave
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 20, 2013, 12:53:11 pm
Ive made some trawl doors based on vonin cobra. They looked nice and sleek freshly painted
 
however ive made my first attempt at weathering  :embarrassed: 
I still have some minor rust detailing to do on the doors
 
ive based it on one day fishing, which if i carry on i will weather the boat the same way
 
thoughts..should i leave it for future builds, as im not convinced to do it on the boat
 
cheers
 
Chris
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1176/dscn9063r.jpg)
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: Guy Bagley on February 20, 2013, 05:10:44 pm
voyager did a weathering thread on this forum,it was fantastic... - take a look and follow the advice and try weathering on a bit of scrap first.... its a simple step by step process but voyager's hints and tips work !
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: hazegry on February 20, 2013, 07:32:31 pm
check out my Carol moran thread I weathered my tug and it really takes it to another level. I was disappointed with how much it looked like a toy boat at first the weathering took care of that now it looks like a real working tug.
 
I would love to see one of these all weathered up its def on my build list for the future.
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: carisma on February 22, 2013, 08:43:53 am
great job chris, looks fantastic.
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 22, 2013, 11:44:20 am
ok im going for it, probably over the weekend
 
hazegry you are right yours really did need depth to the colouring, and you did a great job.
 
so ive done the trawl doors, now the boat needs to catch up, a few days fishing at sea is the look im going for, so there will not be overly rusted areas.
 
it is very possible to get carried away, however i also know that the boat wouldnt be allowed to rust viciously in any areas, many quick fix paint jobs happen throughout the year to preserve as much integrity as possible.
 
new rust is very bright, older or deeper rust gets darker, thats the simple moto of rust. I dont see alot if any rust around stanchions as a lot of people like to do, in fact the space where the stanchion is tends to be cleanest on the hull. Very little rust will be forward of crane gantry. Hatches may have light streaking, the mast may have light streaking. The hatch where the net gets emptied will have some wear and tear on the hull.
 
Im going to let loose on shading, as this is predominant in the first week or so after painting...
 
So its good in my head, ive talked about how im going to approach it...lets see if these hands can make it happen :embarrassed:
 
ill update shortly
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: ixion on February 22, 2013, 04:52:04 pm
Subtle is the name of the game when weathering Chris, don't forget the weathering needs to be to scale also! I have the Maggie M done as yours is and she is weathered, I can post a pic on here if its OK with you (its your thread). Mine is modelled as she is when working as a Guard vessel so no trawl doors.
 
 
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 22, 2013, 05:15:03 pm
You can post away ixion  :-))
 
 
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 22, 2013, 05:24:53 pm
this is approximately what im going for
 
(http://www.trawlerpictures.net/uploads/gallery/album_331/med_gallery_615_346_1323700405_38481.jpg)
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: ixion on February 22, 2013, 05:33:56 pm
You can post away ixion  :-))

Thanks, this my MAGGIE M
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 22, 2013, 06:23:50 pm
you have made a good job of her ixion, i think you showed me a bow version in another thread, you have updated her when she gets updated
very nice :-)) ....
 
so trawl doors finnished.....
 
(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2010/dscn9067.jpg)
 
some other small details added
 
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7324/dscn9071f.jpg)
 
 
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7301/dscn9068e.jpg)
 
 
working on life canisters next to the glue....still have domes to do...nets etc
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on February 23, 2013, 04:29:54 pm
heres some rust I photographed earlier this month...
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: GAZOU on February 23, 2013, 05:17:11 pm
 ok2
please? are African masks?

Sorry but this is too violent
 
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 23, 2013, 06:39:33 pm
thanks unbuiltnautilus
 
good contrast there, some creeping through the white, the piece at the back been corroding away awhile.
 
i think when we weather we need to keep our point in time and stick to it...that photo highlights how much more brown there is than various shades of orange. the sun is coming out, that picture would look different after a spell of rain then the sun coming out. Or maybe after 4 dry days on the trot.
 
The point in time i have has alot more shades of orange.... like the example below
 
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5137/5463133337_593afaa3fc_z.jpg)
 
trouble is ive never used a wee sprayer...i plan to get a hang of the techniques later on i think it would be invaluable...however im stuck with brush now
 
 :-))
 
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: hazegry on February 24, 2013, 12:59:00 am
for my rust I used a Iron based paint by model masters that may help you.
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 26, 2013, 05:52:59 pm
Well darn ive gone and done it
 
The photos dont show the blending properly there is 6/7 shades of rusting, and ill probably add a couple darker tones, it is decent to the eye  {:-{
 
however im tinged with sadness.....i made the decision on the trawl doors to weather, the wife and 4 year old daughter dont like weathering and prefer new look.....i always thought id like a bit of realism so some weathering to make it more real.....it did look good untouched lol....
 
oh well, still some further weathering to do........dunno how i feel about it tbh. ...perhaps if in doubt again keep it clean
 
(http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/9618/dscn9074k.jpg)
 
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4328/dscn9072p.jpg)
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on February 26, 2013, 06:23:55 pm
Try a tiny amount of dark brown, Humbrol Chocolate or similar, chase it in with a damp brush and work it into the cracks and recesses. Possibly also feather the outer edges of your rust with a similar technique but using the lighter rust colour you have used already. I have recently used a similar method on my Nautilus using artists oil paints.
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=38072.msg422995#msg422995
Or try these images of my now sold CHANT tanker.
Its all down to not overloading the model with paint, but building it up in stages. Problem is, practice makes perfect..

Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 26, 2013, 06:39:24 pm
Thanks unbuiltnautilus  :-))
 
Very smart images, suits the scale
 
 
my weathering was done today, ill let it dry and add darker tomorrow, the feathering will be done then also.
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: NFMike on February 26, 2013, 07:58:37 pm
Chris, they may look 'smart' unweathered, but they don't look like real boats. I was at a model show Sunday and a local boat club had a display of about 20 boats - none were weathered and all looked like models of boats.

As has been said before, you don't need much to at least give a 'real world' look.

That tanker above is great. That's about what I'll be aiming for when I get nearer the end of my current project.
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 26, 2013, 08:12:06 pm
Ok much happier now  :-) :-) :D :D
 
i just wasnt happy, something wasnt right, it was all to heavy, heavy colours even though it was all thinned and well mixed with lighter shades etc
 
major breakthrough, i thinned the whole lot down it wasnt to dry, ive got the look i want now, im doing no more
 
thinned and wiped away all the blending, leaves me with subtle rust and texture im looking for ( like the picture earlier in the thread )
 
ill post a picture later.....learn something new everyday
 :-))
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 27, 2013, 02:08:36 am
well i had it alot better, below the waterline would need to be done, in truth i wasnt sure where i was going to stop as the decks aswell, to keep the look consistant

well ive admitted defeat this time, its all weathering or not at all......

so its all off, ive left faint wethering on the rear deck where the net shoots are.....im not disappointed anymore, i was humming and heying before i did it, i tried it, learnt a few things
tried some other things, meh

im happy with the start of season paint job lol :-))

cheers
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on February 27, 2013, 02:36:46 pm
Good to hear, nothing worse than being dis-satisfied with the end result. Now you have started down the long and slippery slope of weathering though........its too late, you will be out with the rust again ok2
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on February 27, 2013, 04:29:20 pm
i may tackle it again in the future,  {-)
 
im going to seal the boat up to the white, leaving many areas to age by themsleves, there are a lot of metal parts which aint brass, chains on the doors are real chains in the nets will be real...so there is an element of naturality..
 
i do think ive stumbled across one of the holy grails of scale weathering though.....put colour where you want it....allow to dry for a bit ( not too dry ) then ..thin.. thin and wipe away ( i used old t-shirt ) i also dabbed and created quite a nice mosaic of rust .....i was amazed, i was tempted to leave it...but sod it she'll be clean looking  O0
 
ill post final pics later once ive finnished netting, sealed and thrown it on the water
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on March 04, 2013, 11:05:07 am
So Maggie had her maiden voyage as a completed model.
 
she has had test runs for running gear, but ive had to do changes for ballast....
 
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8382/8527875004_c391a2a9c2_z.jpg)
 
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8521/8527875522_84e6759652_z.jpg)

Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: chris gillespie on March 04, 2013, 11:08:34 am
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8087/8526761373_1cc507bf69_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: adamD98 on March 04, 2013, 11:15:47 am
Looks great on the water Chris - top job  :-))
Title: Re: Maggie M by chris gillespie
Post by: Norseman on March 04, 2013, 09:56:34 pm
Sure looks good Chris and I have enjoyed the build thread too.

Dave