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Title: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: midori gaoka on February 10, 2013, 10:04:07 AM
Hello everybody,
 I have just completed a french lifeboat SNS 143 "Les trois grunes", and now it's time to repair my ferry. She is an old ferry from Brittany-ferries, but still in their fleet nowadays. I made this one 10 years ago, and after some exhibitions and let it in hands of a personn from my ex club who didn't take care of it, I had to refit it.
 The scale is 1/100, give an 1.52 m length and 26 cm beam. I  repaired at the beginning the funnel which is very impressive on the boat.
 I hope this subject will  interest  you.


Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: cos918 on February 10, 2013, 11:15:53 AM
Hello
The work on the funnel is very good. I do like the detail you have done on the rear of the funnel. I can not wait to see the rest of the ferry. There are a far few ferry modlers on here.

john
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 10, 2013, 11:26:18 AM
 
Nice job. Very realistic!   :-))
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: carlmt on February 10, 2013, 03:11:29 PM
Nice work Midori......... :-)) :-))
 
Looking forward to this one........
 
Carl 8)
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 10, 2013, 03:55:35 PM
Yes, post some photos of the full model. I have travelled on her many times and she is a very comfortable vessel.
 
Colin
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: midori gaoka on February 17, 2013, 08:03:40 PM
Thank you very much for your comments,
If I had to refit the main boat , I had to do the same thing for lifeboats. Each one is made in plywood, unhappy it's a little bit to heavy. Davits are made in plasticard.
To be followed

Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: cos918 on February 17, 2013, 09:52:56 PM
very nice. the detail is very good. I can not wait to see the whole ferry.

John
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: Norseman on February 18, 2013, 12:22:12 PM
Hi Midori

I'll tag along with you; I really like your work.  O0

Dave
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: adamD98 on February 18, 2013, 01:19:59 PM
Likewise - Very nice work. Look forward to more from you.  :-))
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: hama on February 18, 2013, 06:39:29 PM
Loved your lifeboat, can't wait to see this one.
Hama
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: deadwood on March 11, 2013, 08:24:08 AM
Hello Midori,

Judging by the pics from your refurbishment works on funnel and lifeboats the whole model of the ferry promises to be a feast for the eyes.

Come on, show the drooling visitors to your thread here at last some pics of the model in its entirety instead of just those cruel bits of homoeopathic doses.


Ralph
 
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: midori gaoka on March 23, 2013, 06:36:23 PM
Hello everybody,
 As you wish, some more photos about the bretagne are coming. I have just received 2 sheets of stickers "Brittany-ferries". I would like to stick those this weekend.
Bye

Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: hama on March 23, 2013, 07:14:30 PM
Wow :o Thats one fine looking ferry model! Thanks for showing.
Hama
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: RMH on March 23, 2013, 07:22:05 PM
Ferries aren't really my thing but that is a very nice looking model
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: cos918 on March 23, 2013, 09:53:32 PM
Very very nice. Do you have a lot more to do on the refit?

john
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: Ferry cross the Mersey on March 23, 2013, 10:56:17 PM
Beautiful job. She's looking great. Keep the updates coming.
 
Thanks Antony
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: deadwood on March 23, 2013, 11:37:43 PM
Awesome model. Very well built!

Wonder how you managed to obtain plans of BRETAGNE from her builders.
When I wrote to Chantiers de l'Atlantique a couple of years ago in search for plans of another vessel which was built there I never have received an answer.
 
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: midori gaoka on March 24, 2013, 08:48:00 AM
Hello Deadwood,
 I get the "Bretagne" plans from both brittany-ferries and les chantiers de l'atlantique. The ship builders send me plans before STX acquired them. Maybe, after that,  have they changed their communication policy ?

Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: deadwood on April 13, 2013, 01:55:34 AM
Is the NORMANDIE the sister of BRETAGNE?

I have just looked for new arrivals at hhvferry.com and was pleased to discover NORMANDIE's GAP here (http://www.hhvferry.com/normandie_orig_ga_dpx.html).
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: Colin Bishop on April 13, 2013, 08:59:19 AM
Normandie is a slightly later ship than Bretagne and built to a different design. Bretagne was originally intended for the Spanish route although she has spent much of her time on the Portsmouth/St Malo run.
 
Normandie was designed for the Portsmouth/Caen route which she shares with her slightly larger running mate Mont St Michel which is similar in her internal design but quite different externally.
 
Brittany ferries have never built or acquired two ships of the same design!
 
Colin
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: deadwood on April 13, 2013, 09:32:39 PM
Thanks Collin.

Meanwhile I had verified by comparing the main dimensions from their respective Wikipedia articles of BRETAGNE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Bretagne) and NORMANDIE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Normandie) that the latter is slightly longer.
Anyway, it is utterly inexplicable to me that nowhere ever the length between perpendiculars (LPP) is stated, and that never it is mentioned which length is meant when a length is stated
(though it is obvious to me that most likely the length over all (LOA) is meant)
Not even Britanny Ferries' own website (http://www.brittany-ferries.co.uk/fleet/cruise-ferries/normandie/history-specification) is making unambiguous statements,
let alone the vessel's builders (http://arctech.fi/references/others/) who should know better than anybody else.

I require the LPP as a reference length for my DELFTship scaling.

But I took measures after having loaded the GAP image in GIMP and by proportioning arrived at an LPP of 147 m for NORMANDIE.

Another highly appreciated measure for me is the (volumetric) displacement, or the block coefficient.
But you find this even more rarely than the LPP.
So I have to develop the lines from some gut feeling, thinking that NORMANDIE's CB must be somewhere between 0.6 and 0.7.
So I will go by the appearance of the sectional area curve (SAC) during the fairing procedure to decide when to stop adding volume.


Regards,
Ralph
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: Colin Bishop on April 13, 2013, 09:48:09 PM
My interest derives from travelling on them many times over the years. I don't think that modern ferries are particularly attractive for modelling purposes although Bretagne and Normadie are better than most. Bretagne is a particular favourite of ours as we like her internal layout and she has taken us on many enjoyable French holidays. Arriving at St Malo at low tide on a sunny summer morning is one of life's really positive experiences.
 
Colin
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: hiboumarin on May 02, 2013, 03:07:32 AM
Hello
Very good job for this model. I know very well the mv Bretagne after seven years on board. Now i sailling on the mv Mont saint michel. The big difference between bretagne and Normandie / Mont saint michel is the double ramp for most faster desambarq. if you need somme picture of bretagne tell me wich one you want.
JoŽl
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: midori gaoka on May 02, 2013, 08:54:39 PM
Thank you everyone for your encouragements.
 I must admit sometimes the "Bretagne" refit give me the way to dispair. I have done the same work 2 years ago with the "Barfleur".Since the last time, I've glued the mast, stick the "Brittany ferries", the ship name, and the bow thruster decals. My next step is propulsion. I don't know which kind of motor I need, speed graupner 400,500 or 600 ?, with which reduction 2/1 , 2.5/1 or 3/1 ? and which kind, gear or drive belt ? Does anyone know if a diesel sound unit exist for this kind of model. Lastly , I wonder if I make a mechanism to move lorries outside the boat.
Soon more photos

Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: wartsilaone on May 02, 2013, 09:10:08 PM
Great work Midori,


Puts my modelling to shame. The Barflueur looks fantastic on the water and I'm sure the Bretagne will look even better.


Ali
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: Colin Bishop on May 02, 2013, 09:33:52 PM
Just booked a 24hr excursion on Bretagne for 13th May, returning to Portsmouth 07:30 15th May which gives us all day ashore at St Malo with the car on 14th May. Car+2 and a 4 berth cabin each way for £99!
 
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The big difference between bretagne and Normandie / Mont Saint Michel is the double ramp for most faster desambarq.

Bretagne's car deck 5 is alsways a pain as it takes ages to get off and the cars are really packed in together. Rest of the ship is great though.
 
Colin
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: Rottweiler on May 02, 2013, 10:53:29 PM
 A couple of really nice models you should be very proud of!
Could you please state your location?
Thanks,
Mick F
 
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: cos918 on May 03, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
Hi
A motor you want to think about is the Graupner 720. They are not cheep bt very good . Low RPM very high torque and very low amps pulled about 5 to 7 ah stall.
For trucks you could RC a 1:87 HO truck.
Your model of Bretagne is very nice. I do Like your Barfleur model. I have X2 1:1250 models of her. Did you ever take Barfleur to the Beale boat show in the UK ?

John
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: sharkbite0 on May 03, 2013, 09:46:57 PM
stunning is the only word i can say
you are a verry talented person and the boats are a credit to your skills  :-))
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: midori gaoka on May 04, 2013, 07:59:28 AM
Hi,
 That's true John,  12 years ago, I brought the "Barfleur" under brittany ferries colours. But now ,my model has changed after 2 years of a heavy refit. Do you think we can R/C an 1/87 lorry ?
Joel, I return to france on the Mont saint michel wednesday. It was a real pleasure. My next project is a part of cherbourg quay, with a foot passager berth and car/lorry berth as well.  And after that ? a towsend thorensen kit, a fishing boat or mont saint michel 1/100 ? I really don't know. I let you a photo of one of cherbourg 's passager berth scale 1/100.
Thank you for your post
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: cos918 on May 04, 2013, 10:44:30 AM
Hi I thought I rember seeing Barfleur there. From what I can rember is was a great model and impressed me very much.
 I am working on MV Celestine at 1:100. I am looking in the futher to get a 1/87 truck and RC it so it can drive on and off. I have seen some web sites in germany and poland that sell parts etc and show models that have been made in to RC. I will try and find the web sites again and send you the links. There was some 1/80 RC truckes made by Kyosho which were very nice but have been out of production for a long time and are no longer avaible.  http://www.hlj.com/product/KSH69286W/Rad.I am not sure but these might be avaible  http://www.hlj.com/product/KSH66081S/Rad

John
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: carlmt on May 20, 2013, 07:21:01 PM
Wonderful, wonderful model is this Madori - you have given me ideas  O0   O0   O0
 
As a coincidence, I spent this last weekend aboard her, in the company of cos918 (John), just enjoying the vessel as a part of a ferry enthusiasts weekend.
 
Here she is just after arriving in St. Malo:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/DSCF4133_zps6c3a46d3.jpg) (http://s513.photobucket.com/user/carlmtflo/media/DSCF4133_zps6c3a46d3.jpg.html)
 
During the crossing, we had the opportunity to visit the bridge (and in fact were invited back to the bridge to observe our passage up the Solent to the berth in Portsmouth :
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/DSCF4238_zps823b382d.jpg) (http://s513.photobucket.com/user/carlmtflo/media/DSCF4238_zps823b382d.jpg.html)
 
Additionally, we had a visit to both the engine control room and the engine room itself:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/DSCF4185_zps3c1b7dcc.jpg) (http://s513.photobucket.com/user/carlmtflo/media/DSCF4185_zps3c1b7dcc.jpg.html)
 
One of four V12 diesel engines.
 
The port propshaft:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/DSCF4181_zpsad7bf825.jpg) (http://s513.photobucket.com/user/carlmtflo/media/DSCF4181_zpsad7bf825.jpg.html)
 
Spare cylinder liners:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/DSCF4187_zps25944dd8.jpg) (http://s513.photobucket.com/user/carlmtflo/media/DSCF4187_zps25944dd8.jpg.html)
 
And the engine control room:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/DSCF4189_zps047c011f.jpg) (http://s513.photobucket.com/user/carlmtflo/media/DSCF4189_zps047c011f.jpg.html)
 
All in all, an incredible weekend for a ferry enthusiast, and a wonderful ship to experience.
 
I will definitely be travelling on her again  :-))
 
Carl
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: wartsilaone on May 20, 2013, 07:35:46 PM
I don't suppose you got some plans Carl.


I wish I could make it with you on your trip, so much more than the average ferry journey. the engine room visit is a rare thing. it must have been fascinating.


Ali
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: carlmt on May 20, 2013, 08:13:04 PM
Not on the day Ali, but going by the friendliness of the crew - and they really were extremely accommodating, polite and friendly - I dont think it would be a difficult task through the offices of BF.
 
As for the engine room, it was incredibly hot and deafeningly noisy - ear defenders are madatory!!!!  And I was quite surprised at the lack of guards to the rotating parts (propshaft, engine clutches etc.).
 
There is talk of a trip on the Nord Pas de Calais being organised - most certainly one to take as she doesnt take regular passengers....only trucks.  It would be good to have you along mate  :-))
 
And that goes for any Mayhem member who would fancy such a trip  O0   O0
 
Carl
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: wartsilaone on May 20, 2013, 08:17:41 PM
I'd love to add Nord Pas De Calais to my collection of ferry small ships.


I think I could make that trip. Easily do it in a day. If you hear anything let me know.


Thanks Carl,


Ali.
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: cos918 on May 20, 2013, 08:28:02 PM
Hi all
Me and carl went on this weekend gone on a trip orginesed by ferry publications. As you can see from the photos what a trip x2 bridge vists one on final approach  X1 engine room vist. All I can say is THANKY YOU VVVVVVVVVVVVVery  much Brittany ferries. I would recomend they to any one and the food was to die for. MV Bretagne may be an older ferry but she is a great boat .
Midoriyour model is so accurate and you compair it to the real ship.
As for RC lorries go on this thread and go to post 11. There are some links there some work some dont. But from there you can find suppliers for parts.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1303531
John
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: midori gaoka on August 26, 2013, 07:58:03 PM
Hello everybody,
 I have decided to work on the boat stern. As you can see ,I' ve made a small mecanism to push and pull a lorry. I 've prefered this one to an electric one. Electricity is not my cup of tea. I have painted few figures on different bridges because on this kind of boat there is always someone outside . And I wanted to give "life" to my model.
Eventhough, I did not send many photos last weeks,I still working on my model.

 
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: cos918 on August 30, 2013, 07:52:30 PM
Hi Midor
she is looking good. I do agree people on a model look real good. I like your idea on the lorry. The detail on the stern ramp is great. I love the fingers on the ramp real nice touch.

John
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: midori gaoka on September 01, 2013, 08:48:45 PM
Thank you John,
 I am working on different fittings such as windscreen wipers , lights, antenas...I have got lots of works on the mast as well.
Next photos to come
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: Brian60 on January 08, 2014, 02:00:20 PM
Lovely model. We travel quite often on Brittany Ferries albeit onboard the Cap Finisterre or Pont Aven, in fact we have the Cap booked to return to Spain on the 23rd of this month. Like someone else mentioned certain decks are a pain to get off, On the Cap its deck 5 the lowest car deck. If you are one of the first vehicles onboard it can be very awkward. It is the bowels of the ship (lowest car deck) and once into parking, you have to reverse out 50mtrs or so to be able to turn around and drive out. As this is deep in the bows of the ship it is a narrow space as well.
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: midori gaoka on January 09, 2014, 06:39:05 AM
My model is nearly completed. I'm looking for some life raft containers. Now, I'm working on life cherbourg's berth number 4

Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: midori gaoka on January 09, 2014, 06:41:14 AM
Some more photos
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: Ferry cross the Mersey on January 09, 2014, 04:16:27 PM
Superb model but your photo's are too small as I would like a bigger view of the ship & your linkspan.
 
Thanks Antony
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: cos918 on January 09, 2014, 05:44:27 PM
very nice. the link span looks great. Are the two ferries the same scale?

john
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: midori gaoka on January 09, 2014, 05:46:53 PM
Sorry for the photo's size.
I 'll try again.
I hope it works.
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: McGherkin on January 09, 2014, 05:49:29 PM
I've sailed on Bretagne, nice ship. And a great model!

Bretagne spends, or at least spent, quite a bit of time on the Plymouth-Roscoff route too.
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: type82 on June 18, 2014, 08:56:45 PM
Your bretagne is amazing. I live in Portsmouth and see the Brittany ferries everyday on the way and on the way home from work. and always wondered if anyone would build one of them. I would love to see the Normandie built.
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: lankyandy on July 07, 2014, 02:07:31 PM
they are both fabulous models. I saw a normandie model somewhere in northern france about 10 yrs ago, cant find any information or photos online on it though
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: lankyandy on July 07, 2014, 11:04:45 PM
Also faller do a HO scale road system that can be automated.it runs on wire embedded in road and magnet in truck/cars I believe. Very effective on model railway not sue if it could be modified for your needs.
Title: Re: M/V Bretagne under refit
Post by: hiboumarin on September 06, 2014, 10:21:07 PM
Hello.
No problem to see some picture of Normandy model....

http://www.la-passion-du-maquettiste.com.fr/normandie_fichier.html (http://www.la-passion-du-maquettiste.com.fr/normandie_fichier.html)

Have a nice visit