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Title: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 20, 2007, 07:55:23 pm

Hi everyone.

I have finished  (are we ever finished ? ) the Model Slipway's  'AZIZ'  and renamed her  the  'Red Pelican'.  This was the name given to her when she went to the East for that Sultan chappie.

I started her in October 2006 and must confess I have been rushing this last week to complete her.

I have taken a dozen pictures for you to see, and hope to bring her to the Gathering next Saturday. I only have a large box to build so as to protect her.   :D

Here is the first batch ............


Cheers...Ken


Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 20, 2007, 07:57:58 pm


Here are the second lot............   Ken

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: catengineman on May 20, 2007, 09:06:52 pm
Hi Tug Kenny,

Pray tell me what type of switch gear yuou have installed next to the receiver unit as shown in picture 11?

If this is not a switch then what is it ?

And a really good build job completed I like all the detail

Richard,
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: jenno on May 20, 2007, 09:23:28 pm
Very nice model Kenny...... When are you going to bring her up to Bryn bach park, Tredegar.

                        See you soon
                                                  Jenno.
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 21, 2007, 10:17:38 am

Hi Richard

The switch gear is on a servo and is controlled by the Skysport 6 rotary knob on Chanel 5.

By turning it anticlockwise it switches on the fire hydrant motor.  By turning it clockwise it turns on the lights  (all 16 of em !!) I am thinking of designing a way to have several switch points here, so that I can tun on the night lights only and then the deck lights as I rotate the knob.   I thought perhaps an old wave change rotary switch mechanism then I could maybe have a foghorn somewhere in the turning circle. :)

I have left off the fire pump at the moment as there is not enough time to do it properly. I am in the middle of building two  springer tugs for the meeting.  My wife says I should build the hulls for selling, but as they take a week to make, I don't think that would be profitable  ;D

I shall try and get up to Bryn Bach Park as soon as I can get away, Jenno. Thank you for your compliments. It's really nice of you to say. The postman looks in the workshop most days to see if I'm still awake, but apart from that, it's quite a lonely life.


 
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: catengineman on May 21, 2007, 12:29:19 pm
Hi, Tug Kenny, my next questions regarding the switch on the servo

Where did you get it from? or is it hand made? what current would it handle?

My home made jobs dont look anything as neat as that though I do tend to over build with the electrical side of things as Im used to higher voltages etc,

Richard,
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 21, 2007, 12:50:07 pm

HI Richard

I bought it at a show somewhere.  It consists of just the top bracket with the two switches. It it screwed on top of a standard servo.  I would estimate that the switches could handle a few amps.  Try Westbourne models.  Hope this helps.


Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: catengineman on May 21, 2007, 12:58:45 pm
Thanks

Richard,
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Robert Davies on May 27, 2007, 05:15:52 pm

Nice red submarine Kenny! :P

Joking aside, I hope all is well when It's all dried out.

It was a very 'graceful' departure beneath the waves though..... ;)

Regards,

-Rob
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Colin Bishop on May 27, 2007, 05:45:04 pm
Going down and coming up!
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: boatmadman on May 27, 2007, 06:21:04 pm
what happened? Why did it try to sink?

Ian
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Colin Bishop on May 27, 2007, 06:25:06 pm
I think it was Rollover Week! Tight turn at speed, water came onto the working deck, found its way below and down she went. Hopefully not too much damage when she's dried out Ken.
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: big-geoff on May 27, 2007, 08:14:33 pm
It was worth the trip for the sinking alone.

Could have been given a bigger trophy, though the prize of a mini sub was appropriate.

Great weekend

Whens the next one ;D

Big-geoff
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 27, 2007, 08:32:30 pm

                               THE PELICAN THAT SANK


I finally dried my tears and graciously accepted the "Best sinking trophy"

Many thanks to Martin & Bradders for the medal and the prize of a  SUBMARINE.  It will be treasured forever. I shall never forget my wonderful weekend at Wickstead.  It was a fantastic time, and I urge you all to come next year.

It just goes to show that you must not change the name of a ship, else bad luck befalls you !!.

My 'bullet proof' Springer was a great success and the impromptu game of football, in the poring rain, was the highlight of the year.

So much fun and enjoyment by grown men was a sight to behold. Thanks to all those that took part.  Your pictures will follow when I dry the camera out. It did drop in the wet grass during the rain storm at the previous panic moment.  (They are on the memory card but it refuses to let anyone see it.......  I'm not surprised at this !!!)



                         Here is a report on the sinking as given by the 'Pratt' Captain  .............

Colin was right about the working deck.  It is just above the waterline.  It was pouring down with rain and I decided to rush the old girl back to dock and executed a tight turn on full twin turbos.

She leaned hard a'port and dipped the decks in the water.  Once the deluge started she just filled up and the stern went under.  I could only watch, as control was completely lost, and I think I may have shouted something out.  ;)

My thanks to the lady that came over to say she knew where it was because the lights were still on under water.

My gratefull thanks to the gentleman that 'donned waterproofs' and waded in to rescue her, as shown in the picture..


I now have all the bits safely in the warm and will be   " Reviewing the situation"  as the song says.   ;D

All this has not dampened my enthusiasm and thanks for all your comments. It really is a great club of people we have here.

I can't wait for the next  "meet".


Cheers...Ken



 

 






Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on May 27, 2007, 09:23:27 pm
Your a true model boater now Kenny  ;D nice to have met you and look forward to the next time
                                                                          cheers
                                                                                BobB ( wet but happy )
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Marks Model Bits on May 27, 2007, 09:26:20 pm
I see you have not changed your name to SUB- KENNY yet!!!!! ;D ;D ;D

Let us know what still works when it dries out..

  Mark.
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: poll on May 27, 2007, 09:43:22 pm

      Hi All.   Good wet day.  Thanks Kenny for the entertainment, Hope all is dry and well.

       Cheers,

       John.        POLL
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 27, 2007, 09:50:24 pm


Glad you all got home safely. It was indeed great to meet the faces behind the names.

The pictures look good on the camera. I'm really upset that I cannot access them yet  ( I promise to show them as soon as I can)

My new way home  (motorways instead of shortcuts though busy towns)   took me over 3 hours in the pouring rain. I stopped off in a motorway cafe and had a KFC dinner at 3 o'clock.   ;D   

           I saw the wood coffee stirrers mentioned by 'Tigertiger' and asked if I could have a few for my next boat ( which will be wooden and not sinkable).     I think they gave me them out of sympathy for an old bloke.  Anyway, they are smashing bits of wood and are too good for their intended task.   Ideal for model uses, I thought. ;)

I don't suppose the comment will ever leave me now, but at least I'm a happy chappy for getting into this hobby. I shall stay surface bound.  ( especially after the tongue lashing from my bride of 40 years.  I told her they were supposed to get wet.  ;D ).


Cheers...Ken       

ps  .....   lot of mail coming through tonight chaps.  What a get-together eh !!!      Great ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: wombat on May 27, 2007, 09:56:39 pm
Hi Kenny,

Sorry to hear about the sinking, I hope there is no permanent damage.

Your's must shift some - flat out mine barely rolls if thrown into a turn.

Sorry I missed it all, but other things got in the way - like sorting out rainwater butts for SWMBO.

Maybe next year

Wom
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Shipmate60 on May 27, 2007, 09:58:29 pm
Ken,
Most would try and save the boat, you grabbed a camera!!  :)
Classic.
I hope she dries out ok.
Nice to met you by the way.

Bob
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 27, 2007, 10:09:12 pm

Thank you Wombat. 

I dare not look at it again today  (brings back too many memories  ;) )  I have been advised that it it will dry out OK.  I removed the Rx and shook it !!!.   Horrible to think that a thousand pounds was lying under the sea !!!

Bob, I put the camera down when the realisation hit me and now thats gone the way of the boat !!


I'm off for a whisky and soda now and a lie down.  I shall keep up up the log, don't you worry   ;D ;D ;D ;D


Cheers everyone

Ken
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: wombat on May 27, 2007, 10:12:20 pm
Just remember, plenty of clean water on the Rx and servos and let them dry for a couple of days. You may find the camera and card come back to life after a while. If water has got under the SMT chips, all you can do is wait for it to dry out. If you can lay your hands on a pie warmer and gently bake them at 40 to 50C it may help.

Wom
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: boatmadman on May 27, 2007, 10:14:13 pm
If you have any demin water - battery water - its better than tap water - no salts in it.

Flush with that then rinse with meths - worked for me after a sinking - all ok

Ian
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: chingdevil on May 27, 2007, 10:17:58 pm
Kenny
I was sorry to see you tug transform into a sub. You are a great guy and kept laughing, well almost during the diving exhibition. If you can not get your pictures off your camera card pm me a guy I work with has the software to do it.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 28, 2007, 12:21:55 pm

Opened up the shed today and went in with trepidation.

All is well.  The boat dried out in the night and you will never believe it, but there is no damage.    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The Rx is sitting comfortably on the radiator and will be tested in a few days. The motors work and even the lights come on.   ;D

Model Slipway don't half design good boats. Can't wait to start their next one. ( Vliestroom)    8)

Unfortunately when I took some pictures, they were blurred. Methinks the 300 pound camera is water logged, so that is sitting on the radiator as well.  I have the memory card out nice and safe, so hopefully pictures will be saved.   :(

If I have a renaming ceremony back to  AZIZ will my luck change ?????

All the best

Ken


Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: wombat on May 28, 2007, 12:27:01 pm
I remember a skectch from "Round the Horne"

"Don't go on that ship, it be cursed ever since the duchess drowned at the naming ceremony"
"What's it called"
"The good ship Help Glub Glub"

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Colin Bishop on May 28, 2007, 12:34:48 pm
That's great news Ken. Don't change the name, just make the deck watertight!

Colin
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 28, 2007, 12:38:02 pm


Very good, Wombat,  smiled at that one.



I have just been printing off Colin's  Milion Dollar Picture.

Says it all. Brilliant, Colin.  Never did buy you that pint.  I've got some waterproofing ideas already. Never give up at the first hurdle

Ken
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: bigford on May 28, 2007, 08:06:15 pm
kenny glad to hear the aziz is ok...
 did so go down fast or was it slow and drawn out type of sinking  :o
some day i'll build an aziz
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 28, 2007, 09:00:33 pm

Hooray ...  the camera is working.    ;D ;D ;D ;D


Here are the  " Sinking pictures ".   I then dropped the camera in the wet grass.


Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 28, 2007, 09:02:03 pm

Got her home and cleaned her up


Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 28, 2007, 09:03:54 pm


I seem to have won a Prize.   Thank you Martin.   Much appreciated.


Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Marks Model Bits on May 28, 2007, 09:08:19 pm
Hi Ken, glad you have got the camera working some nice pics of Phil getting wet. Hopefully your boat will do the same.


 Mark.
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 28, 2007, 09:31:48 pm


Cheers Mark.   I'm a happy bunny now, and all is well with the world.

Tomorrow I'm opening the Vliestroom box.  oooooh!!!!!!!!


Ken
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: bigford on May 29, 2007, 02:50:30 am
wow that third pic is the first time i've seen the aziz next to a person
she a big one  ;D
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 29, 2007, 10:05:59 am

She certainly is, Bigford.

A time consuming build that you will find rewarding. 

Because of her size, she went down slowly and made a scene suitable for the 'movies'.   It really was graceful.   Time to get the camera and run round the lake to film her.  It was a sight to behold  :D

I shall stay with her new name as     'wot else'   could go wrong.   ;D ;D ;D

I'm opening the 'Vliestroom' box today and will start a new Blog.  Anyone built her.  I would appreciate your comments and advice please.

Cheers...Ken         the pending SUB man



 
 
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Marks Model Bits on May 30, 2007, 10:42:46 pm
is the boat out of intensive care yet?
mark.
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 30, 2007, 11:39:52 pm

HI Mark.

Yes, the boat is recovered. Hardly any trouble, much to my surprise.  It all works as normal and I hope to take her on  'Tour'  soon.   ;D

The crane came off in my hand  (insufficient glue !!) so that has been re fixed.  She is resting on the shelf at the moment watching me fix prop tubes to  'Vliestroom'.

I'm leaving the  Rx for a while to get dry before I test it as I have a second Rx I'm using in place.

Might trip over to Cwmbran lake Sunday to see the action


Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Ghost in the shell on May 31, 2007, 07:25:26 pm
ken, be careful bud its deep i think!!

take some lead out of the stern as well, yours may be a tad tooo low.  also get some foam and fill every space you can with the stuff and add a couple of bulkheads if it can be done
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: John W E on May 31, 2007, 07:40:00 pm
Hi ya there Ken

Although we didnt actually meet and shake hands, which is a great shame, because you always seemed to be flying cheerfully around the lake.   Hope there isnt any unseen damage to the electrics of your Model.  I would give her a good bath test before putting her back into lake especially if our Stavros is there  ;D.

aye
John E
Bluebird
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 31, 2007, 11:12:54 pm

Good idea for bulkheads, Ghost.  Might do something like that. I also think I'll raise the rear deck lift-off section on deeper fillets so the water can go aft and away easy around the sides.
Don't want to go the foam route as I need to access the gubbins.  :)

Hi John. Cheers for that. You can rest assured it will be tested a bit more for next time. I'm proud of my little  (?)  boat as she is the first of my fleet.  ( do I need weapons for Stavros ??)   8) 8)


Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 31, 2007, 11:26:13 pm
What about foam blocks or bubble wrap?
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 31, 2007, 11:29:01 pm

I had brought tons of bubble wrap in the trolley. What a good idea. I'll look into it.


Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: kendalboatsman on June 01, 2007, 08:23:31 am
Hi Ken,

If you have some full size boat builders in and around Newport you could go scrounge/buy some of their buoyancy foam offcuts from them. I did that from a boat builder/dealer in Penrith. Good stuff and a lot neater to use than the normal polystyrene packing foam.

Clive :)
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: John W E on June 01, 2007, 09:59:43 am
Hi ya there Kenny - food for thought

Is it possible to create an inner flange out of either plywood or thick plasticard on the inside of your aftdeck hatch?

Ive posted a couple of pics of how I overcame the problem on the Seaforth Conqueror when I built her.  I used the elastic bands what we get from the postie when he delivers letters to form a seal.  I create a thick flange out of 1/4" timber on the hatch lid to press down on the elastic bands.  Then as you can see, Ive used brass screws - some days I will have to paint these and camouflage these in.

What I did to test it, I laid toilet tissue inside the hull, screwed the back deck down and then put it in the old test tank THE BATH and submerged the rear end OF THE MODEL  ;D for a few minutes.  I then removed the model from the bath and then removed the hatch - I then looked for seapage on the tissue paper.  There wasnt a great deal, very little in fact.

Its worth a try though.

With it being screwed down, the hatch only takes a couple of minutes to unscrew.  Hope this is of some help.

aye
John E
Bluebird
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: SteamboatPhil on June 01, 2007, 01:30:16 pm
Ken, I,m glad she's OK now, I would just like to say to Bigfoot, not only is she big, she was bl**dy heavy when full of water, still at least I know my watch is waterproof !
Phil
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on June 01, 2007, 08:08:46 pm

Thank you Phil.  The hero of the day.  I was taking off my shoes when I saw you getting the 'wet gear' on.  Cheers

Also, thanks John for the elastic band feature.  Great idea.  I also collect these on my morning walks with Mutley. I was going to make some trouser braces with them but was told the trousers would bounce up and down as I walked.   ;D

When I get back to repairs and mods, I will photo them for you to see.

Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: funtimefrankie on June 01, 2007, 08:48:45 pm
You have to watch those red bands, they soon start to degrade. I've a nice collection for holding glued things while they dry and they are all starting to perrish.  I think I read somewhere that they are bio-degadeable.
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Colin Bishop on June 01, 2007, 08:58:27 pm
You could try that self adhesive foam backed pastic draught excluder for windows, it's supposed to be weatherproof and compresses down to almost nothing.
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Stavros on June 02, 2007, 06:54:04 pm
Bluebird what can you possibly mean with especially if our Stavros is there  . Please explain I am really hurt!
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: John W E on June 02, 2007, 07:39:26 pm
Stavros, I hope you are not hurt  ;)  Has my memory gone that bad, who was it that lost a lovely model in a great lake to the great depths, never to be found again. ;D ;D

With you around my friend the monsters from the deep might come and snatch TugboatKenny's model  ;D ;D

aye
John e
Bluebird
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: kendalboatsman on June 03, 2007, 10:05:47 am
Hi Ken,

It's a bit late for the Red Pelican but for future builds you could put all the electronics in airtight plastic containers and that would a, protect them and b, add a bit of positive buoyancy. I have a collection of plastic electrical waterproof boxes I purchased to use on future builds and I intend to do that for my TID tug. Sadly the HDML I have is too small for me to do that with so I will pack it with foam.

I had a HFM 590 Yacht sink and someone else rammed and sunk my Sesqui fast electric so I learned my lesson there. ;D

Here is a photo of some of the boxes with a 2ch receiver and my HDML Hull for comparison. The rule is 12" and the background hull is the TID tug.

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w251/kendalboatsman/2007_0603sun0005.jpg)

Clive
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: wombat on June 03, 2007, 10:27:54 am
Try "Look and Lock" food containers - they have a lid that is held on by 4 clamps. Pop the clamps and the lid just pops off. Sealing is airtight because of a rubber gasket.

You can get them from Lakeland plastics, or do a searh in the net

Wom
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: J.beazley on June 03, 2007, 11:15:13 am
Just an idea,

in my fast electric boats (c.clee victory bat boat) i have used polystyrene blocks in the bow and either side of the motors with a big block stuck to the inside of the lid.

just in case it does eventually decide to turn turtle there is always the bonus that it SHOULD ??? stay afloat long enough for recovery.

Jay
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: boatmadman on June 03, 2007, 02:10:26 pm
I try and cram in as much bubblewrap as I can!

Ian
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on June 03, 2007, 04:31:58 pm

Thanks for all the ideas guys.

When I modify her, I will show you the results.


Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Stavros on June 04, 2007, 11:51:30 pm
Bluebird the penny has finally dropped I could not work out what you meant YOU ARE FORGIVEN  ;) :D :)
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: titoneri on June 07, 2007, 12:52:22 pm
I have to say after reading all the goings on about the sinking it has to be said that I have built 2 of model Slipways Aziz and if ballasted correctly that is well balanced down the centre line with all the weight low down plus making sure the removable deck is sealed down it rides the water wonderfully rough or calm waters even in a tight turn it only leans over with about 8mm of under waterline showing. The same goes for my Vielstroom. At the last get together friends and myself had a total of 7 Aziz on the water at the same time and we all followed the same manufactures instructions with no sinking no shipping of water and very similar internal setups and no water inside the hull whatsoever.

The other point I think should be clear it must be down to the individual who has total control of build and placement of ballast not a fault with the product (Model Slipway).

Was the deck sealed, is it watertight from deck downwards and ballasted correctly more importantly making sure the ballast cannot move about. Come on let the cat out the bag and be honest tell us. I have never had problems building and sailing Slipway Models.
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on June 07, 2007, 02:21:21 pm


Hi titoneri

You are correct.  I put my hand up to admit I did not latch the deck down.

I placed her on the water and switched on the electronics and must have been distracted. I just placed the deck on top and sent her on her way.

You can see the deck floating with her cargo of air tight boxes in the first picture on report number 29  (page 1)

I also can't speak too highly of Model slipway, and am enjoying building their models, to the 'spec'  with proper ballasting and ensuring the fittings are all secure.

I plan to sail her through a waterfall next, just to test the ultimate unsinkability. Hope to have pictures of the event.  ;D


Cheers...Ken


Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: FullLeatherJacket on June 07, 2007, 11:41:22 pm
I understand from Model Slipway that one customer has cancelled his order for an Aziz kit on the basis that he "doesn't want a model that sinks". For once I'm at a loss for anything else to say.

FLJ

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: titoneri on June 08, 2007, 09:32:50 am
Well Kenny

I will speak very highly of model slipway they dot the eyes and cross the Ts and have never had any problems.

It is very sad that a quality company such as Model Slipway have lost a purchase due to one incident not the fault of the product what so ever. I for one always looks forward to building there kits.

I strongly advise the purchaser to reconsider the Aziz like all the others in the range it is a sound kit to buy, build and enjoy and think who else produce a oil rig supply ship with all the quality detail, plans and instructions at such a good price.

Solid quality british products are hard to come by.

knock yourself not the manufacturer who is certainly not to blame.





 
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: kendalboatsman on June 08, 2007, 10:50:45 am
I understand from Model Slipway that one customer has cancelled his order for an Aziz kit on the basis that he "doesn't want a model that sinks". For once I'm at a loss for anything else to say.

FLJ



Model Slipway are my preferred kit supplier and I just bought a FSB Tenby off them, prior to that I had a Conserver kit which I had built to deck level.before the project got shelved and eventually sold on due to no building space.

If that customer cancelled an order for Aziz for that reason should they even be building any model boats ??? ??? They can all sink at some point be it user error ;D or damage inflicted by other pool users. Incredible ;D ;D


Clive :)
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: spoons on June 20, 2007, 03:59:46 am
Hi kenny!
Sorry to hear about your scuba trip with the aziz, she is a mighty fine vessel at least it was in shallow waters that she went down im sure you would of been gutted if any mayjor damage had occured. keep up the good building work and i look forward to seeing your next build.
stu
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: wombat on June 20, 2007, 08:48:35 am
After just having lost a boat to sinking  >:( >:( >:(

To cancel an order for a model boat because of someone elses sinking is somewhat akin to cancelling an order for a model plane because someoneelse crashed theirs - or cancelling the new car because you saw someone else back theirs into a bollard.

The low stern on the Aziz does make it important to ensure the hatch is down firmly and to watch the speed (otherwise the wash breaks over onto the aft deck), but this is very much the nature of the beast.

Wom
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on June 20, 2007, 11:05:50 am

Hi Everyone

                             Aziz is rebuilt.

As I mentioned earlier, it was my fault entirely.

Reading through your letters, it occurred to me that my turn of English confused some people. When I said " I can't speak too highly of Model Slipway"  it means the the 'Highest praise ' possible. They do indeed make the best models around, and I am on  'Boat number two'  at the moment.

I am really sorry that gentleman decided against a boat on the grounds that they sink.  No harm happens when they do as they are designed for the water anyway.  I agree with Wombat's statement. It does put it in to perspective, and urge him to reconsider. They are interesting and time consuming to construct, and the pride of sailing them is to behold.  (especially when you win medals !!)

We had a little 'Sail'  away from prying eyes, and she looked gorgeous. I would have filmed her but the camera isn't well.   ;D



Cheers...ken





Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: chingdevil on June 20, 2007, 12:47:32 pm
Hi Ken

Glad to hear the Red Pelican is back in the water with no harm done after its wash at the Mayhem Weekend, you were really proud of the boat and the susequent medal keep up the good word. Will we see some pictures of the new build???

The other Brian
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: spoons on June 20, 2007, 11:56:56 pm
On the upside at least the inside has had a good clean out.
stu
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 01, 2007, 08:40:47 pm

OK ...............  we are back in business.    ;)

I have modified the rear deck to prevent water ingress.  This was done by fitting a raised edge around the rear deck with angle plastic  (from B&Q). The internal structure braces were raised to allow the new section to sit flat across and form a rigid base. Note the concrete block doing the job overnight.   ;D

The removable green deck with the fittings was fitted with the matching angle plastic to sit over the raised deck. The whole lot was Epoxied with a slow cure epoxy mix. (the commercial stuff, real boats are made with)

This was allowed two days to dry and then was painted green to match up nice with the boat.

When I do the waterfall test, I will know if I require an insulating pad around the internal rim or not.

Here are a few pictures of the modification.

Cheers...Ken

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 01, 2007, 08:42:22 pm


The finished result  ...........................

Will it float ? ? ?

Ken

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Ghost in the shell on August 02, 2007, 10:47:52 pm
any model boat will sink if not careful, and any model plane will crash, to simply not purchase one because it MAY sink, well thats crazy!
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: TorViking on August 14, 2007, 11:16:32 pm
Sorry guys just gotta say there is no such thing as a bath test! It's a domestic test tank.
I thank you
Andy ;D
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 14, 2007, 11:31:09 pm

Well everyone ..... it floats to the line.  (as they say )

I'm just sorry i had to deviate from the drawings slightly. I am looking for a waterfall to test it through.  8)

Not really. She's sitting on the shelf watching the progress of Vliestroom and the new Springer tug. yes, I've got rid of the speedy built deck house and gone for scratch build plastic.  It's great fun designing your own, cause you don't know when you've made a mistake.   :D

Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on September 09, 2007, 08:56:44 pm
Took her out today to the Cwmbran Modellers Open Day.    O0

All went well.  Sent her out to the middle and maneuvered all over the place. Wonderful boat. I highly recommend the model to anyone considering making her.   O0 O0

I took a few shots as per below and also a movie which will be added to one I am making for  U-Tube. This consists of all the stills, and includes later movies of the build, finalising with today's sail past.    8)

Todays little  run will be the climax and end of the build.  I'll let you know when it's up and running.


Cheers...Ken



So good I printed it twice .....  Sorry about that ....Ken

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Martin (Admin) on September 10, 2007, 01:51:34 pm

Something wrong Kenny.....  ???

Ah I recogniser now!  O0


You're never going to live that down are you?!?!?  ;)
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: gribeauval on September 10, 2007, 02:47:52 pm
New Sound module fitted????

DIVE! DIVE! DIVE!
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on September 10, 2007, 02:59:00 pm
I did notice when the original sinking took place there where no Life boats rushing to save the crew ...

Peter
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on September 10, 2007, 04:02:44 pm
No but Kenny was praying for the crew by name ............receiver,servo,speed controller and so on :laugh: 
                                                                                                Cheers
                                                                                                   Bobb (nice to have met you by the way Peter
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on September 10, 2007, 07:25:37 pm


                        Wonderful    O0



Thanks to everyone for your comments. I enjoyed them all.  Some beautiful artistic licence representations at times.

I don't anywhere now without my Escape Pod .   ;D

The movie comes out soon .......  and it will be free to watch.   8)

Thanks for your support and advice    ...............   Ken




Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on September 10, 2007, 07:26:41 pm


The POD


Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on February 14, 2008, 08:05:05 pm

Change of design ....................

What with the Wickstead "Do" coming up and a sail promised, I looked at Red Pelican again.

I thought the new deck was sitting rather high and spoilt 'Laurie's' design, so I took it all apart, and decided to do it again.

I have removed all the electronics and ripped the rear deck apart. The idea now is to fit the computer control module I've made for the other boat. ( Three speed controllers. One receiver. four fuses. One five volt regulator. Inputs for 12 volts and 6 volts, all in one box, type job). This means of course, that I can only 'rig' one boat at a time now.

Taking the rear deck apart was hair raising as the epoxy was solid. I have cleaned all the edges and removed the modified brackets.

The idea now is to secure the whole deck and have an access hole in the centre and cover it with the hollowed out container boxes. These will be fitted around a new raised edge and will be water tight to two fathoms.  (anything to save buying waders !!)

I shall continue tommorrow, as the cold weather cut short my day. Photos to follow.

Ken

 



Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on February 15, 2008, 08:06:03 pm

Here is the modified design. 

I have used hollowed out containers from Model Slipway, which have been glued together, side on. These now slip over the raised edge of the centre hole, which is at least an inch high. Should take some flooding with gusto.  8)

I have changed the deck colour to mid brown, as the green was a bit too much all over the decks.

I ripped off the funnel decals as the painting was a bit runny, and resprayed them before replacing, on a re whitened funnel stack.  (got a bit dirty during her baptism of wetness !!). All the little parts which broke off, have now been replaced and I await a new imitation 'planked' deck to complete the look.

Had a very busy day today, so relaxing with the 'ol wine'  (I'm finding the web pages a bit stroppy tonight. Is it me ?)

Ken



Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: banjo on February 15, 2008, 08:20:08 pm
Looks handsome..

Do you think those containers would have been secured to "elephants feet" or something?
You could model lashings to secure them and the hole and doubly make sure the H2O stayed on the outside>>>

 ;)
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 15, 2008, 08:23:46 pm
Looks quite effective Ken. Is the "container" hatch cover latched down - you don't want it floating off! A quick and dirty way is to drill a small hole or two through the base of the container cover and the hatch coaming and then fit horizontal pins (e.g brass panel pins) to stop it lifting. Just pull them out when you want to take the cover off.

Yes, the Forum is a bit slow tonight - it was yesterday too...
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: banjo on February 15, 2008, 08:25:57 pm
Snap
Colin
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on February 15, 2008, 08:32:24 pm

Well spotted Colin.

Hoping to secure down somehow. I like the lashings idea but this won't be the actual fixing, just the look.

Should I fit expanded foam inside, then at least I'll save something from the pond ?   {-)

Ken

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: banjo on February 15, 2008, 08:35:12 pm
Some chain and bottle screws from the yachty world would simulate lashings perfectly..
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on February 15, 2008, 08:38:25 pm

Great idea

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 15, 2008, 08:42:07 pm
As long as the cover is fairly close fitting the coaming should keep the water out to most intents and purposes but you do need to latch it down. As a belt and braces option you could put some cling film across the hatch opening. Foam is a last resort, the idea is to keep the wet stuff out rather than keep the boat afloat after it has got in and drenched the R/C gear, motors and batteries etc. In fact, looking at it again, could you make a flat plastic card or plywood cover that just fits on top of the coaming with a bit of rubber or something to form a a seal. This could then be screwed down onto wooden supports fitted inside the hatch. The containers would then just fit over the top. That would be easy to do and make it pretty well watertight.
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Ghost in the shell on February 15, 2008, 11:13:37 pm
hatch hidden by containers, nice idea!  piece of advice, use a laccy band around two epoxied fixings to hold it down.

also DONT TRY HIGH SPEED TURNS, thats what caused the rear end to dip last time and down ye went
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on February 16, 2008, 05:05:58 pm

Thanks guys.   O0

Latest 'mod' will be perspex glued to the insides of the drain holes and across the entrance way, mid ships.   8)

Been busy painting the glue joints today and it looks great. Have to get her ready for the Bridgend show (April 5th) as our club is going, and I'm on the stand for two days. Might take all three boats.   ::)

ken



Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Ghost in the shell on February 16, 2008, 06:02:26 pm
the rear hatch of Nord Icelandia is held down by a lip under the front, and a pair of screws at the rear. 
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: bigford on February 23, 2008, 02:24:48 pm
kenny

  some how i missed the refitting  she looks VERY nice!!
100% nicer now that the rear deck is back to it's proper hight O0
 the sea box's are also a very neat trick
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on February 23, 2008, 03:55:00 pm

Yes, she looks more proper, as they say. I'm still thinking about securing the boxes. I've been sidetracked by other boats, and house decorating. ugh !!  gotta keep her happy.

Ken

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Stavros on February 25, 2008, 05:19:57 pm
Topic cleaned up By Admin

Stavros
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Hansen on March 01, 2008, 04:28:25 pm
I have finished Arif too,it is excellent working tug,BUT I had also a lot of problems with water in the hull. A LOT of water. First, I was thinking, it is picking up water by electric pump for monitors, but after first experience i plugged pump and water was still there.Around 2 quarts.And she picking up water very fast.I was lucky , all electronic was high, so it was dry. After removing large working deck,installed on double site tape, I find out water in deck construction. So this way water comming in.Problem is, working deck is very low, so I installed inside the hull new frame,just under existing deck. With large cover, installed on silicone. In one corner is drain pipe going out of hull, so area stays with out water.And this works.My next step was sealing all details going throe rear deck from inside.Again silicone is great seal for it. since this, I never had potential submarine with name Arif, it is good tug and very powerfull with two Speed 700 motors.SO I saved my investment of money and time to this tug just with additional waterproof cover under working deck. Sometimes is good idea think  before, what will happend on maiden voyage
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 03, 2008, 10:33:18 am

Sorry to hear about your leaks. Am I right in thinking that you have not sailed her yet and these are stationary tests in water?

Sealing around the rear deck is vital, as this is quite low to the water. Mine is sealed to the hull , and is quite watertight. My problem was, the hatch cover was not screwed down and water came in the centre access hole. I now have a ridge around this hatch, so water can flow around the deck and escape over the sides.

Another route for the water could be the rear of the cabin under the funnels. There is another raised section here to allow the cabin to be lifted. Have enough height on the ridge around the deck, here?

You mention sticky tape. Surely not around the water sections.

Two quarts of water (half a gallon!!) of water pured in. This sounds horrendous. Is the hull cracked?

Any chance you could post some pictures please?

All the best

ken

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Hansen on March 03, 2008, 11:48:53 am
I am out of home, I will put here some pictures on end of the week. After half submarine  experience with name AZIZ , hull did not cracked.I am surprise, because polyester resin is not good choice for boat hulls.Resin is NOT waterproof.For this reason from outside is gelcoat. But since tug boat is not diving anymore, everything goes Ok.
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: bigford on March 07, 2008, 12:12:54 am
hey kenny here is a ebay # for small turnbuckles 380002888925
the guy's name is wingertaz. i was thinking you might be able to use these to
chain down your sea containers  on the aft deck O0
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 09, 2008, 07:32:20 pm

Thanks for that. I've been over to check them out. I emailed Wingertaz, but his mail box is full and it came back.

I wanted to know how they secured to their relevant sections. ie: how do you attach the 1st bit to the deck and then the 2nd bit to the lid.  Anyone have any drawings, or can suggest the way please.

I did come up with a sealed Nut in the deck and a threaded screw down the side of the box through a fixed washer.  (sounds worst than it is)  (which, of course, is what you've suggested)

Cheers...Ken

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: dms toucan on March 09, 2008, 07:56:30 pm
Try west bank models blackpool he has a big selection of turnbuckles I think he also sells on Ebay
Martin
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: DickyD on March 09, 2008, 08:16:39 pm
Try west bank models blackpool he has a big selection of turnbuckles I think he also sells on Ebay
Martin
Think you mean Redbank Models Martin.  O0

http://quantrum.co.uk/redbankmodels/index.php
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 09, 2008, 08:23:11 pm

I just went to Red Bank Models and had a look. Turnbuckles have two threaded pieces coming out of a centre tube. The idea, by the look of it, is to twist the centre part to draw the ends closer.

This would work on the boat by clipping them over hooks and twisting the centre to draw the the cover down to the deck.  I'll get some and try them out.


Cheers...Ken

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 09, 2008, 08:35:06 pm
Could be a bit fiddly though. I have a deck hatch on my latest model and I'm going to use a trick taken from my 1:1 scale boat to "lock" the cockpit lockers. Just attach a small eye to the underside of the hatch cover and another to the bottom of the hull as nearly directly underneath as you can get. Tie a length of cord to the eye on the hatchcover, thread it through the lower eye and then run it forward to somewhere under where the superstructure lifts off and cleat it off. Obviously you need enough cord to allow the rear deck hatch to lift off without the free end disappearing under the deck but this method is quick, simple and secure.
Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 09, 2008, 08:39:40 pm

Good idea , Colin.  I've ordered four turnbuckles from Gary. I did think of loosing the cover in the case of accidents, and will have a connecting wire link permanently inside the cover.

Ken

Title: Re: Ken's AZIZ, 'Red Pelican'.
Post by: Martin (Admin) on September 01, 2018, 03:22:20 pm
Topic renamned  :-)