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Title: F1 - 2013
Post by: hopeitfloats on March 15, 2013, 06:01:35 am
no sign of DC commentating this year. darn. i like that man.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 15, 2013, 10:10:40 am

1st race this weekend!  :-))

What are the rule changes this year?

Has BBC got any races live this year?


.... Damn Sky!  >>:-(
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Circlip on March 15, 2013, 10:25:16 am
No, damn poison dwarf, still, has to find a few millions for the dowry'
 
  Did it on the beeb before tho'
 
  Regards   Ian
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Bob K on March 15, 2013, 10:48:01 am
As usual, BBC will only be showing half of the FI races live, with text commentaries for others and edited highlights later in the day (after you have failed to avoid finding out the result.)
 
Only other option is SKY, who will be showing the lot, in between adverts.
However, you first need to buy an HD television, then upgrade your SKY package to both HD and SKY Sports, which is a lot of money just to watch the races that the Beeb are not covering.
 
F1 is one of my main TV highlights.  Rarely watch much else on BBC.  License fee compulsory.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Capt Jack on March 15, 2013, 11:42:11 am
If you have HD you get the F1 channel included, you don't have to buy the Sky Sports package.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: heritorasphodel on March 15, 2013, 12:14:58 pm
I think I actually prefer Sky's coverage to the BBC. Granted there are adverts, but not during the race, and you get all the practices as well that the BBC don't have time for. And since we already had sky HD, it was a very nice surprise to find out we didn't need sky sports as well.


But on the subject of the races, who do we think will win the championship this year? I don't think there are any major rule changes, they'll come next year with the V6s.


Andrew
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: malcolmfrary on March 15, 2013, 01:15:05 pm

Only other option is SKY, who will be showing the lot, in between adverts.
However, you first need to buy an HD television, then upgrade your SKY package to both HD and SKY Sports, which is a lot of money just to watch the races that the Beeb are not covering.

HD not quite compulsory on Sky - channel 406 works OK.  I'm not sure that HD would make a noticeable difference to me with my eyesight anyway.  Of course, new buyers of Sky will almost certainly be firmly directed to HD.

Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Neil on March 15, 2013, 11:08:54 pm
I would rather stick needles in my eyes,.............. wasps down my throat,.................... and barbed wire up my backside than contribute to anything that the Murdochs have had any control over in the past.
 
 The only sky I'll watch is that  which is above my head. >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
 
and if that means I'll miss the GP season...................I can find much more pleasurable things to do at much cheeper a cost too.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: derekwarner on March 16, 2013, 01:19:22 am
Wollongong is only about 500 miles from Melbourne....if I stand on my balcony I may be able to hear the roar of the engines in about 1/2 an hour
Here is the reported cost of tyres for the F1 season.........€19.5m  would keep all of us in model steam components for a long lifetime...... :o
.
Sources suggest that the original figure of €5m per team for a season has been dramatically reduced to just €1.5m. That is far more acceptable to the smaller teams, who this year – like everyone else – have been getting Bridgestones for free.
If as planned there are 13 teams next year, that figure would give Michelin a handy €19.5m with which to kick start its programme...........  %%  ...... Derek
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: irishcarguy on March 16, 2013, 03:29:11 am
I admire most of the drivers & the engineers that build & develop the cars but the politics leave me stone cold, they are a bunch of VERY bad people.  F1 needs a house cleaning from the top down. Mick B...
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: heritorasphodel on March 16, 2013, 05:11:41 am
Just turned on for the start of the programme. It's been 10 minutes and the 'We're really sorry for this temporary fault' message has just gone down. Oh, fun...

Apparently Melbourne's just had a power cut and a thunderstorm.

And gone again.

Andrew
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Circlip on March 16, 2013, 12:47:44 pm
My sentiments exactly Neil  :-))
 
  Seems the good old weather can't be controlled by them.
 
  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: derekwarner on March 16, 2013, 12:56:34 pm
Goodness.......  >>:-(
1. our mother nature is the same as controlled by our universal God....no point in suggesting or blaming we in OZ....... >>:-(
2. the poll position shoot out race has been postponed until 1100 in the morning...................Derek
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Circlip on March 16, 2013, 01:05:47 pm
Chill Derek, referring to the two poison Dwarfs.  :-))
 
  Regards  Ian
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Norseman on March 16, 2013, 04:57:28 pm
Cars and Bikes .... round and round and round they go  :P

Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: dave301bounty on March 16, 2013, 07:04:33 pm
There has been a massive outage in Melbourne ,plus a huge load of water has dropped .fi cancelled  4 now .?
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: reg on March 16, 2013, 07:17:54 pm
Watch MOTO GP much better and much more fun  :-)) ;) O0
                                                                                                 REG
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: dave301bounty on March 16, 2013, 07:41:43 pm
you got a point there .
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: heritorasphodel on March 16, 2013, 08:06:49 pm
The qualifying has been moved to the 11AM local time, midnight GMT, with the hope the rain will have stopped by then. From what they've said, the race will go on as normal.


Andrew
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: tobyker on March 16, 2013, 10:18:58 pm
why is Moto GP less fun now, and F1 slightly improved?  SUZI PERRY, that's why!
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Peter Fitness on March 16, 2013, 10:24:45 pm
Is it true that transferring the F1 drivers into boats was considered??? {-) {-)  The good news for the fans is that it is expected to be dry in Melbourne today.


Peter.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: irishcarguy on March 16, 2013, 11:41:36 pm
They sure had a "smashing" time yesterday, I don't think I have ever seen so many crashes. However Vettel played it cool as usual, no heroics just steady as she goes, best driver in F1 hands down.Mick B.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: hopeitfloats on March 16, 2013, 11:57:11 pm
i think its only because he has the best car. look at schumacher the last couple of seasons. not so good car and very little success yet at his peak he was the best driver. the common link again was he had the best car. and i realise he was out of racing for a couple of years but he was among the fittest drivers on the grid all the same. just my thoughts and not looking for an  argument with anyone..
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: hopeitfloats on March 17, 2013, 12:41:31 am
qualifying  results. vettel, webber, hamilton, massa, alonso, rosberg, raikkonen, grojean, di resta, button. couldnt understand why mclaren signed up  the mexican perez. i thought there would be plenty of drivers in the current lineup who performed better than him, then i read an article where mclaren are looking for a new sponsor and a mexican billionaire was a prospective sponsor. of course they denied that was the reason he was signed. yeah right.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: heritorasphodel on March 17, 2013, 04:33:08 am
In all fairness, there were relatively few crashes. Sky showed the 1999 Australian GP last night, where two cars caught fire on the grid, three then stalled, one never left the grid due to a gearbox failure, both McLarens retired due to mechanical faults, the two Prosts wiped each other out, Villeneuve's rear wing fell off for no reason, giving Schumacher a puncture 14 laps later, and so on and so forth.


Out of 22 cars at the start of the race, 1 didn't start, 13 retired and only 8 finished. Schumacher last, Eddie Irvine winning for Ferrari.

I think they said last year that the perfect F1 combination would be Adrian Newey (Vettel's race engineer and the guy who designed his car) and Lewis Hamilton, but Christian Horner (Red Bull team principal) has said he will not pair Hamilton with Vettel.

Andrew
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: essex2visuvesi on March 17, 2013, 07:52:58 am
Well deserved win for Mr R this moring


Alonso would have won had he not had that silly beard.  If he shaved before a race the weight reduction would gain him a tenth a lap :)  :}
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: irishcarguy on March 17, 2013, 08:25:38 am
Mr R & Lotus ran a perfect race, Timi is brilliant when he is on form but he is erratic. Vettel did not have the best car several times last year but he is still world champion three times in a row. Unfortunately it is getting more like Nascar every year, it is no longer a motor race but a tyre endurance test. At this level the teams should have their own choices on what tyres they run.The powers that be are trying to make it so everyone comes over the finish line at the same time giving the impression that the racing & the teams are equal. Having raced , taking away an advantage you worked hard to get over sometimes many weeks or months to me is unfair, after all it is in the end a test of who can put the best performance together. That's what I always though when I raced. Mick B.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 17, 2013, 09:32:42 am
SPOILER ALERT!

RACE RESULTS! - Do not read if you are going to watch it on BBC later today!
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Capt Jack on March 17, 2013, 04:57:47 pm
Should of put that at the top Martin.   :-))
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Neil on March 18, 2013, 12:17:40 am
Should of put that at the top Martin.   :-))

I watched it again on highlights just to see if someone else won {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 18, 2013, 12:31:35 am

Excellent BBC introduction on 2013.
Interesting race I thought!
Sutil  did really well! (Didn't realize why he was out last season - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Sutil#Shanghai_nightclub_incident_and_assault_conviction )

So, 2013 is the season of the tire wear!
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: derekwarner on March 18, 2013, 12:38:36 am
Naturally we had full coverage here in OZ.......but one of the elements in the amazing 2.5 second pit stops [for four tyres] was we didn't get the see the refuelling .... >>:-(  ...I don't quite understand how they achieved this in those few seconds.........Derek
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: hopeitfloats on March 18, 2013, 06:11:59 am
no refuelling now unfortunately. refuelling stops is one thing they should bring back. there was always plenty of action during them and at worse if its a boring race its something to liven it up a bit.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: essex2visuvesi on March 18, 2013, 06:54:52 am
One day they might get back to racing like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhxMnYlkHeI
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: heritorasphodel on March 18, 2013, 07:26:13 am
The problem with refuelling stops is the cars then just drive flat out for the whole race. Since they now run with less fuel than they need to complete the race at full speed they have to slow down which leads to more overtaking and more strategic racing.


When refuelling stops were standard the pit stops would take almost 10 seconds, and the wheel guys could take their time, but now they have to work fast. This way you get pit stop incidents when the wheels don't get fitted properly.


The best pit stop was Hamilton's last year, where they changed all 5 wheels in 3.3 seconds.


Andrew
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Circlip on March 18, 2013, 09:32:52 am
Bring refuelling back? Oh yes, very amusing watching the pit crews beating the fire out due to the sealing baffle in the hose sticking and splashing fuel all over  %)
 
  You want exiting? change the steering wheel so it just has a horn button in the centre, gear change on a stick and three pedals.
 
  See the Beeb have gone sicko phantic again over one of the Petro err Mercadees drivers, the other one seems to have been given Micheals car.
 
  Regards  Ian
 
  Notice first bit of rule bending went unpunished, "Someone" reversing back onto track in qually one.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: heritorasphodel on March 18, 2013, 12:19:06 pm
The reversing manoeuvre was not against the rules, as it was deemed to be in a dangerous area. The rules say that if a car becomes stuck in a dangerous area they are allowed to reverse out of danger and back on to the track when the immediate vicinity is clear, as to bring in a recovery truck would necessitate stopping all traffic.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Circlip on March 18, 2013, 12:36:19 pm
Mansell, Estoril, wheel dropped of in pits???  The "Dangerous" area was a straight on Saturday AND off the track. Having said that, he was allowed to carry on despite flapping rear bodywork  %)
 
  Regards  Ian
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Capt Jack on March 18, 2013, 03:09:03 pm
Just after coming out of a corner and the car right on the edge of the track and the line all the other cars would be taking ?, so quite dangerous, so instead of yellow flags and 5 mins or more of lost time getting the car off the track, a quick reverse while it was clear, a smart move.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: irishcarguy on March 18, 2013, 03:31:10 pm
I guess that was why Mclaren was able to win, fancy having 5 wheels, what an advantage. SORRY I just could not resist that one. Mick B.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Arrow5 on March 18, 2013, 03:39:59 pm
Tyrell used to have a six wheeler F1 car. O0   Much less known was the March with the multi wheels at the back.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Bob K on March 18, 2013, 03:47:18 pm
The 1965 Honda RA273 was an incredibly complex V12.
 
I would love to have a car I didn't have to put petrol in, but wouldn't fancy having to change the tyres every 25 round trips to work  %%
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Arrow5 on March 18, 2013, 04:07:23 pm
OK Bob there is the car of your dreams, no heat generated, engine has no moving parts, fuel does not burn, used on one of the fastest dragsters in the USA during the 70s...how was it powered ?
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Netleyned on March 18, 2013, 04:21:20 pm
I guess that was why Mclaren was able to win, fancy having 5 wheels, what an advantage. SORRY I just could not resist that one. Mick B.

Yeah but they gave the nut that holds the wheel to Mercedes  %%

Ned
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Bryan Young on March 18, 2013, 05:48:36 pm
All very interesting I'm sure. But the new girl in the pit lane is very pretty....and seems knowlegeable. BY.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: essex2visuvesi on March 18, 2013, 06:10:42 pm

The best pit stop was Hamilton's last year, where they changed all 5 wheels in 3.3 seconds.

Andrew


There's kids in essex that will have the car 3/4 stripped in that time  :D
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: irishcarguy on March 19, 2013, 01:03:37 am
Now you have to be an expert on the rules, what ever happened when first past the post without a rule advantage was the winner. It is obvious to me that the tyre rules favour certain teams. When I raced I won my fair share, but the rules also kept changing. It was like they looked at what you had done to gain an advantage & then made a rule to negate that advantage, after 19 years battling the rule book & losers protests I retired, in all that time I never lost a protest against me. I can say also I NEVER cheated once. I just ask what has happened to good old fashioned racing, where the fastest man or woman was the winner, completing the race in the shortest amount of time. Sorry, rant now over. All three drivers in Melbourne deserved their place on the podium, possibly in a different order though. I might be biased as I think Vettel is the best, he is on a level with Jim Clark & Arton Senna. Mick B.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Norseman on March 19, 2013, 01:15:14 am
I think Vettel is the best, he is on a level with Jim Clark & Arton Senna & Mick B.
There you go - now it looks much better with that small punctuation change.  :}

Dave
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Peter Fitness on March 19, 2013, 05:38:02 am
Jim Clark, Mick :o  now you're showing your age O0  Here are 2 shots of him, one on a parade lap in a Holden station wagon, and the other in action on the track. Both were taken by me at Lakeside, Brisbane, in 1965. One of the slides is showing its age too.


Peter.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: irishcarguy on March 19, 2013, 06:20:23 am
Hi Peter, I always thought Jim was the best by far in his day. I was on a ship coming to Canada when he got killed in Germany . A very strange thing happened, we had 250, give or take 4 or 5 Scotish nurses also on the ship.The night before he got killed there was a Fancy dress ball on board & I loaned my racing gear to one of the nurses dressed with a sign that said Clark, she finished second. I never ever loaned any of my gear to anyone after that. It had a profound effect on me for a long time. I would have liked to see him race but never did. Thank you Peter for the photos. Mick B.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 19, 2013, 09:24:19 am
OK Bob there is the car of your dreams, no heat generated, engine has no moving parts, fuel does not burn, used on one of the fastest dragsters in the USA during the 70s...how was it powered ?

a four wheel bicycle?!
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: heritorasphodel on March 19, 2013, 09:51:35 am
Racing nowadays just takes different skills. Both Stirling Moss and Jackie Stewart have said before that if you put them in one of the modern F1 cars they wouldn't know how to race. They also said you can't compare racing drivers over the eras. Clark and Moss, while excellent drivers of their time, cannot be compared with drivers like Schumacher and Vettel because they race in entirely different circumstances.


But I agree with you Mick, Vettel probably is the best currently. Like a decade ago it was Schumacher, a decade before that it was Senna, and way before then Clark and Fangio. But Raikonnen deserved that win as an apology for getting lost in Brazil  :-)


Andrew
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Arrow5 on March 19, 2013, 09:58:44 am
That would be a quadcycle Martin but no it was a proper full-size  dragster that could have had a blown V8 or similar instead of the powerplant I mean. Besides the pedalist would generate heat.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: essex2visuvesi on March 19, 2013, 12:38:54 pm
I would argue that John Surtees certainly has to be up there with the best, not only did he win the f1 championship in 64 he also won  the 350cc motorcycle world championship in 1958, 59 & 60 AND the 500cc world championship in 1956, 58,59 & 60


Only chap ever to be both F1 and what is now MotoGP world champion




Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Circlip on March 19, 2013, 12:39:41 pm
He didn't get lost, some numpty locked a gate that was open for practices, qualifying and previous Brazilian GP's. He'd used it before.
 
  Regards  Ian
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Martin (Admin) on April 14, 2013, 05:34:29 pm
 I must say, this year's BBC pre-race features is almost masterful!
 eg: 'How to do a pitstop': http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rxjtq/Formula_1_2013_The_Chinese_Grand_Prix/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rxjtq/Formula_1_2013_The_Chinese_Grand_Prix/)  20:20 in
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Circlip on April 14, 2013, 05:40:15 pm
Suzy Perry is embarrassing, has an organism every time she mentions a long ago world champion.
 
Pity the race wasn't one lap longer.
 
   Regards  Ian
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: irishcarguy on April 14, 2013, 06:39:44 pm
Once again it desended into a race about tyres. They are now deciding every race, It is no longer about the fastest driver or the fastest car on the day . We all saw Vettels superior skill & driving ability when he had the right setup but in the end the rules took any chance he had of winning away. It may be good for T/V ratings but for those of us that have raced, boring, boring boring.  I predict that the day will come when F1 will question what it was thinking in its pea brained way at this point in the sport, Mick B. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Arrow5 on April 14, 2013, 09:39:56 pm
Man of the match..the Flying Finn :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Bryan Young on April 14, 2013, 10:37:45 pm
Man of the match..the Flying Finn :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Totally concur. BY.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: heritorasphodel on April 15, 2013, 12:23:26 am
You know something must be going wrong if bits fall off the car and find it works without them! For those that didn't see it, Raikonnen tapped Perez's rear wheel knocking off almost half the vanes on the front wing and damaging the nose, but still managed to come in second. Makes you wonder why Lotus fitted them in the first place.


In my opinion greatest kudos goes to Daniel Ricciardo, finishing in the highest position he's ever gotten after qualifying higher than before (both 7th). Close second is Jensen Button, who managed 5th with what is not a particularly good car. And, grudgingly, Vettel who reduced the gap between himself and Hamilton from 13 seconds to 0.2 seconds in four laps, and would have taken third if the race was a lap longer.


Andrew
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: irishcarguy on April 15, 2013, 06:46:15 am
Button deserves a better car, He is the smoothest driver in F1 right now & can stretch his tyres farther than any other driver & to top it off he is a good sport too. The Finn is brilliant when he wants to be, it remains to be seen if he is committed to winning the championship. I thought the same as you Andrew, I think a lot of the add on's are for show & the damage to the Lotus proved it, they had no effect on the performance that was visible anyway. Mick B.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Martin (Admin) on April 15, 2013, 09:04:40 am
 
I liked Coulthard's quip about Webber: 'If it wasn't for bad luck, he'd have no luck at all!'
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: malcolmfrary on April 15, 2013, 09:08:22 am
There's probably an element of show in the aero bits n bobs, but they were probably put there for more than just sponsorship space, even if the effects are probably deep in the land of diminishing returns.  I can't help wondering where Kimi would have finished if he hadn't lost whatever extra the bits were giving him.  Might have been much worse on a different track or different conditions.  Then again, performing like that why he was a champion, and it shows he's still got it.
What is a pity is that it has been necessary to deliberately design tyres to wear out rapidly - racing is supposed to improve the breed, and while introducing an element of an obstacle race into the proceedings has increased the number of variables into the event, the entire circus does take a step back from being a competition of excellence.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: nick_75au on April 15, 2013, 10:16:20 am
Im a Webber fan, for obvious reasons, not a fan of that pesky German but he can drive. Kimis a classic I wonder if some bits will be taken off the car for next week, and well done to Ricciardo ;)  hope he can get some consistency this year.
Cant watch any of the practice sessions here (legally  %) [size=78%]) for love or money[/size]
Nick
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: derekwarner on April 15, 2013, 10:37:59 am
 :o ...on this evening's news in OZ.......
Webber will leave F1 & the RED bull &  has signed with Porsche for 5 years in the Porsche world series.......series which includes Le Mans....... O0 Derek
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: nick_75au on April 15, 2013, 10:44:35 am
Yet Porsche deny the deal %)


He must be doing something for the team else they would not have re-signed him this year.


Nick
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Circlip on April 15, 2013, 11:00:22 am
Seems to be ensuring that the latest upgrades are fitted to his and the sister teams cars? %)
 
  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: inertia on April 15, 2013, 11:17:01 am

I liked Coulthard's quip about Webber: 'If it wasn't for bad luck, he'd have no luck at all!'

Not quite original though ..................... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9QKHkY3rew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9QKHkY3rew)

(Not the best-known version, but quite the best IMHO)
DM
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: hopeitfloats on April 15, 2013, 12:53:05 pm
Once again it desended into a race about tyres. They are now deciding every race, It is no longer about the fastest driver or the fastest car on the day . We all saw Vettels superior skill & driving ability when he had the right setup but in the end the rules took any chance he had of winning away. It may be good for T/V ratings but for those of us that have raced, boring, boring boring.  I predict that the day will come when F1 will question what it was thinking in its pea brained way at this point in the sport, Mick B.

if the tyres were made to last a race it would be boring because the same 2 or 3  drivers would win every week by 10 seconds. at least tyres at present provide a bit of interest in that wrong choices can be made etc. thats why i  would like to see refuelling come back. it adds another twist to the plot. i know the racing  purists wont agree and fair enough, but if the race was supposed to truely decide the best driver then the cars would be manual transmission, no hi tech gadgets on the steering wheel and no telemetry along with all the other tricks they have on hand.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Martin (Admin) on April 15, 2013, 01:31:10 pm
What fuel do the F1 cars use these days?
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Circlip on April 15, 2013, 02:07:43 pm
Quote
What fuel do the F1 cars use these days?

  Bull***t
 
 
  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: essex2visuvesi on April 15, 2013, 03:39:15 pm

if the tyres were made to last a race it would be boring because the same 2 or 3  drivers would win every week by 10 seconds. at least tyres at present provide a bit of interest in that wrong choices can be made etc. thats why i  would like to see refuelling come back. it adds another twist to the plot. i know the racing  purists wont agree and fair enough, but if the race was supposed to truely decide the best driver then the cars would be manual transmission, no hi tech gadgets on the steering wheel and no telemetry along with all the other tricks they have on hand.


True... I think that's why some of the single marque race series have much closer and exciting racing
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: hopeitfloats on July 08, 2013, 09:18:32 am
are there any other  F1 fans having trouble getting enthusiastic about this season. I just cant get into it. same winners every week. getting very boring. lucky we get IRL  televised to supply a bit of real open wheel racing action.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Circlip on July 08, 2013, 09:43:01 am
Politics, money and the poison Dwarf have tainted the "Sport". The best driver is winning again. Pity the worlds best driver was pushed out, yet again. Only to be substituted by a one trick pony, still, he's a good talker and with the BBC fawning all over him perhaps they can publish different results. F1 is cyclic, same old, Ferrari ALWAYS winning, McLaren ALWAYS winning, Williams Etc.
 
  Don't forget the alternative, Moto GP. Unfortunately Dorma is using the theifalstone fillosoŁy so that's now loosing its glitz.
 
  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: malcolmfrary on July 08, 2013, 11:32:46 am

  Bull***t
 
 
  Regards  Ian.
But highly refined BS.  Therefore even further separated from reality than regular BS.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 08, 2013, 12:57:39 pm

Vettel certainly seems to be the best driver out there.... well the driver that seems to be most attuned to his car
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: U-33 on July 08, 2013, 01:20:57 pm
I'm so glad that I'm not an F1 fan, same old thing every weekend. Why don't they use the old fashioned Spedeworth short circuit way...fastest qualifier starts from the back, like a reverse grid idea. Halve the number of race laps to make the top drivers work for their money.


I like my drag racing, always have and always will, but more recently I've got back into tractor pulling...now that's motorsport.
Title: Re: F1 - 2013
Post by: irishcarguy on July 13, 2013, 06:38:36 am
The actual racing is very good & close, you can put it down to the tires but Vettel is still the class of the field. In Germany he gave Hamilton a lesson in starting, he says little he lets his driving do the talking. The best of the British drivers is Button, he is smooth & still quick in a much slower car. Hamilton will not get pampered at Mercedes like he did @ McLaren, for 30,000,000 pounds each year they expect results. I don't think he knew what he was getting into. Alonso is good but not as good as he was before.Timi really wants to win this year & he has the skill but not the passion of Vettel. It is an interesting year & I favour Vettel to win again.He is the best young driver to come along since Senna, Mick B.