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Title: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: bonehead on May 29, 2007, 08:41:38 am
Has anyone built the Italeri MTB that came out last year? On impulse I have bought one going cheap(ish) and want to covert it to radio, which SHOULD be straight forward but yer neva know...Would like to se what motors someone else has used - I've picked up some high revving ex-scalextric car models but not sure if they can deliver the power. Scale of the boat is 1/35th which is handy for 'crew'!!
Jim
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Robert Davies on May 29, 2007, 09:00:27 am

Scalextric motors (mabuchi 's' cans) aren't that torquey, and need 15v to work well..... 15+ years of competitive slot racing/build/prep experience.....

Mini-Z motors on the other hand, work very nicely at 6 - 7 volts :)

Same can, different wind and slightly different brushgear.

-Rob

ps Build log ongoing here:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=688351
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: bonehead on May 29, 2007, 12:06:08 pm
Many, many thanks Rob. Any info' on where to get the mini-z motors you mention? The kit itself should build into quite a good model - I've found a colour scheme in a book called "S-boote" that shows one in zebra stripe dazzle effect - bit ambtious but I've got the time and in no rush....just as well probably!
Cheer's
Jim
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Robert Davies on May 29, 2007, 02:01:19 pm

All I can find quickly...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kyosho-Mini-Z-Racer-MZW8V-X-Speed-Motor-V-Modified_W0QQitemZ160121145829QQihZ006QQcategoryZ140974QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

-Rob

ps I'm still not convinced of the longevity of a hardworked mabuchi 's' can tho'....
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: riggers24 on May 29, 2007, 05:19:23 pm
Have a look at the ACTion website to see if they can supply you motors and ESC's/mixer all in one go. At least you know they are all compatable.

http://www.action-electronics.co.uk (http://www.action-electronics.co.uk)
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: colin-stevens on May 29, 2007, 08:03:29 pm
in the process of doing it myself. using a couple of MFA 380. no idea how they will perform.
been following the build on this link
http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/builds/it/build_it_5602.shtml
should give a good idea on what it should look like
have fun
colin
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: 2772e on May 29, 2007, 08:26:43 pm

Have a look at John's site.

www.pt-boat.com (http://www.pt-boat.com)

Regards

Simon
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: penfold on June 04, 2007, 10:24:29 pm
hello boaters,i have built and completed this kit and semi succesfully sailed her at beale park on the 6th may
here are some specs;-
  2 x jp power 480 moters(very overkill as i found out)
  2 x graupner 2mm shafts
  2 x propshop props (1011/3)  great looking,not exactly right.
  m/tronics speed controller x1(no mixer or independent control)
   
    one thing i have done and would strongly recomend is to enlarge the rudders as the kiit ones are tiny, i use a half size servo(not micro) operating all three servos
    try to keep the weight down as my boat sits just below water line. i inserted brass tube into the original p brackets an cut the shafts to suit
      i said semi succesfully, on 6 cell ni cads the performance is very fast ,to fast even with 3 large rudders turning is wide, the main problem was water getting in it nkilled two servos !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 i have photos, i am having trouble posting them will keep trying!!!!
give it a go it is an awsome kit,if i can help with any probs i will try
good luck penfold
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: bonehead on June 11, 2007, 07:40:51 pm
A big thankyou and very much appreciated all the feedback on this question - it has helped immensely. Will post some photo's and info WHEN I start the build...winter is gonna be a long one!
Cheers,
Jim
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: ASW on February 01, 2008, 01:38:49 pm
I have finished RC model from Italeri kit. It is excellent boat. Best thing you can do, replace hull from kit by hull from fiberglass. I purchased one, it was 150 grams heavy, so you saving weight of motors and Lipol battery. Model is fast and running EXCELLENT
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Model_Slipway on February 01, 2008, 02:45:23 pm
Peter,

Can one purchase a fiberglass hull for this kit from you as well ? !  ;D

Jackie
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: DickyD on February 01, 2008, 02:56:09 pm
If its so good where are all these photos everyones going to post ?  :-\
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: ASW on February 01, 2008, 05:09:28 pm
Model Slipway  I do not selling or making fiberglass hulls. I get it from your ex friend.You are telling about him, he is making copy of your hulls. He is not.But I do not thing so, he will sell hull to you. Quality is better as excellent
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: ASW on February 01, 2008, 05:11:41 pm
I was ready to post pictures here, but they are to big, so I have make new set of pictures and I will post them here ASAP
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: 2772e on February 01, 2008, 07:09:03 pm

Penfold,

If the motors are a bit of overkill what would you recommend?

I have one awaiting start, the pictures in model boats looked a bit slow and i think weight will be an issue?

Thanks

Simon
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: ASW on February 01, 2008, 07:17:06 pm
Motors are  in size Mabuchi 280 OK with power. 25 mm propellers and LiPol Battery. If you will use plastic hull, you will have problem with weight
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Hansen on February 05, 2008, 06:29:16 pm
I have in my PT boat 3 Mabuchi 280 too. It is great power.I love this model
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Hansen on February 05, 2008, 06:31:36 pm
I used for this model also fiberglass hull, original from kit is to heavy. Fiberglass hull is half one third of original hull weight
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Hansen on February 05, 2008, 06:32:30 pm
Motors installation
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Hansen on February 05, 2008, 06:34:13 pm
front view
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Hansen on February 07, 2008, 04:25:39 pm
Hull openings
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Hansen on February 07, 2008, 04:28:05 pm
Hull opening
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Powered Boat Mouldings on February 13, 2008, 08:50:11 pm
Hi Hansen
             Nice model, interesting colour scheme you have there. I can't say I have seen it before, where did you get your info from?? or is it your own thing? If it is the latter nice one.

Regards Rob.
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Hansen on February 14, 2008, 03:17:33 pm
I have this paint scheme from internet.Hopefully next week I will send here more pictures from action, ice is not anymore on my lake
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Capricorn on March 09, 2008, 01:31:17 pm
Beauty Hansen, and lucky you to have ice out already, got another solid month to go here in Minnesota.  I'd like to know about any other color schemes used for these boats, for some reason I just don't want to paint it green, anyone know?  Where did you get all the sailors?

I also have been building this model, its been going slower (but I've got a month).  I used 3 (cheap) 380's with 1:2 belt drive, and the kits propellers, did oversize the rudders too.  My main issue maybe weight.  (I also put mini airpump on to blow bubbles (exhaust) out the mufflers  {-))

I used 1/16" ss shafts with brass tube bearing set in styrene.  The front bearings got too hot and melted the styrene (too much tension on the belts etc), so I put a flange on the tube and refixed them it should be okay, however I may take them off one more time and get some small ball bearings in the front (belt tension is always going to be there).  I think it's a quality kit, hope Italeri does more of this.  Cap

PS, not necessarily recommeded method for drive system, I'm an experimenter, gearing up electric motors not considered efficient, but I assumed with the small propellers the motors could take it  ::)

(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii92/capricornzzz/th388.jpg)

(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii92/capricornzzz/th390.jpg)

(mufflers) http://s262.photobucket.com/albums/ii92/capricornzzz/?action=view&current=MVI_0647.flv (http://s262.photobucket.com/albums/ii92/capricornzzz/?action=view&current=MVI_0647.flv)

Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: longshanks on March 15, 2008, 09:30:48 pm
Hi Capricorn,

You mentioned figures for the above boat. Italeri are launching figures for both the Elco and forth coming schnellboot. See link

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?CATEGORY=2&DIVISION=&MANUFACTURER=Italeri&CODE=&TYPE=&SCALE=1%3A35&KEYWORD=&NUMPERPAGE=25&order%5B%5D=arrived+desc&order%5B%5D=code+asc

regards longshanks
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 16, 2008, 02:52:14 am

Can't wait to see that go with geared up motors.  :o
I do hear the American are looking for a space shuttle replacement!  ::)



PS, not necessarily recommended method for drive system, I'm an experimenter, gearing up electric motors not considered efficient, but I assumed with the small propellers the motors could take it ::)

Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Capricorn on March 16, 2008, 11:30:05 pm
Thanks Longshanks, good to know, I'll keep my eye's open for them.  It's amazing the figures you can get these days, back when I used to build military miniatures tamiya was about the only decent thing available (that I knew of or could get anyway), now there are countless.  Cap

Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: 212 on March 31, 2008, 08:41:54 pm
I want to see this ship with geared motors included deck and superstructure with all details.Everything is HEAVY
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: rcboater on June 06, 2008, 10:05:07 pm
I'd like to know about any other color schemes used for these boats, for some reason I just don't want to paint it green, anyone know? 

Most of the 80 foot Elco boats were used in the Pacific, and most of them were paintined in various shades of green-- they were, after all coastal forces, and spent most of their days moored at a base on some small jungle island, patrolling at night.


This might help:
   http://www.ptboatworld.com/colorschemes.htm
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: gingyer on June 06, 2008, 10:09:24 pm
squadron signals do a book on PT Boats and there is
a section showing coloured drawings of various schemes
that they were painted in well worth buying.
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: herrmill on July 17, 2008, 09:11:29 am
Does anyone plan to get Italeri's PT-109 version once its released later this year? 

I was told by their export sales manager at the recent Shanghai Model Show its due out after the S-100 which is slated for September.

Chuck
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: rem2007 on September 10, 2008, 12:16:53 am
Quick question about something I saw on Ebay, see link.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lionroar-1-35-Super-Detail-U-S-Navy-PT-boat-003_W0QQitemZ270272217994QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270272217994&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

I have this kit in the wings now and although it is a great kit with fine moldings and some etched brass, was curious about this lot as I'd not run across it before. Any comments :-\.
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: amdaylight on September 10, 2008, 12:47:12 pm
Quick question about something I saw on Ebay, see link.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lionroar-1-35-Super-Detail-U-S-Navy-PT-boat-003_W0QQitemZ270272217994QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270272217994&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

I have this kit in the wings now and although it is a great kit with fine moldings and some etched brass, was curious about this lot as I'd not run across it before. Any comments :-\.


I have just ordered it, it is a significant upgrade, after I saw this review I ordered it ( http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/lionroar/las35003.html ). It doubled the cost of the kit but it has new scale brass props and since I intend to RC this boat I thought it would be great improvement on the weapons on the kit.  O0 I hope this is of some help.

Andre  :)
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: rem2007 on September 10, 2008, 07:01:49 pm
Hmm, well as this was an early birthday present, I 'll have to put my order in for Christmas, what sort of price did you pay for yours?

Robert
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: amdaylight on September 11, 2008, 07:18:47 am
$150.00 plus shipping.  :o :D

Andre
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: herrmill on September 20, 2008, 01:07:48 am
I've seen LR's photo etch kit at their shop in Shanghai - you'll be pleased with your purchase.  O0
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: rem2007 on September 20, 2008, 02:28:45 pm
Do they have any shops in the UK or distributors?
 Wouldn't mind a look see first

Robert
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: herrmill on November 11, 2008, 11:25:58 am
Do they have any shops in the UK or distributors?
 Wouldn't mind a look see first

Robert

Have no idea, but you can email Lion Roar to find out.  http://www.lionroar.net/

Chuck
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Hagar on December 09, 2008, 08:44:24 am
Do they have any shops in the UK or distributors?
 Wouldn't mind a look see first

Robert

Have no idea, but you can email Lion Roar to find out.  http://www.lionroar.net/

Chuck

Could only find this set on e-bay. Their own website had no mention of it that I could find.
One thing that we should think of is customs and excise or what ever you call your blood sucking tax departments.
If I were to purchase this up grade, 103. plus postage = 115.00 + duties =136.00 PLUS VAT @25%  >>:-( = 171.00 Add to that any surcharges that the post office might feel that they have incurred. It apparently costs extra to hand a taxed package over the counter than it does an untaxed one <*<

In view of this if there is some one that knows of a place in Europe that sells these, please speak up.
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: rem2007 on December 09, 2008, 06:10:28 pm
yeah, because Christmas is almost here, I left the dec Marine Modelling mag open on the kitchen table all weekend to the article on the Spectrum 5e, think she got the hint? {-)
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: patrolboat on December 10, 2008, 07:40:15 pm
if your after a 1/32 elco 80 torpedo boat try looking at
www.nautical-marine.co.uk they do a good 1/32 scale model a bit better than
the italeri but a bit more expensive but you pay for whot you get
they are also doing a 1/32 perkasa fast patrol boat
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: amdaylight on December 10, 2008, 09:25:15 pm
Do they have any shops in the UK or distributors?
 Wouldn't mind a look see first

Robert

Have no idea, but you can email Lion Roar to find out.  http://www.lionroar.net/

Chuck

Could only find this set on e-bay. Their own website had no mention of it that I could find.
One thing that we should think of is customs and excise or what ever you call your blood sucking tax departments.
If I were to purchase this up grade, 103. plus postage = 115.00 + duties =136.00 PLUS VAT @25%  >>:-( = 171.00 Add to that any surcharges that the post office might feel that they have incurred. It apparently costs extra to hand a taxed package over the counter than it does an untaxed one <*<

In view of this if there is some one that knows of a place in Europe that sells these, please speak up.

I found a store in Germany that carries it, at least I think it is in Germany, here is the page for the kit from Loin Roar ( https://shop.modellmarine.de/product_info.php?products_id=362&language=en&osCsid=eae5565483c207cdf49c4a8e0ec592b9 ). They are listing in in Eruos so that is a good sign.

I hope this helps,

Andre
over yonder in Portland Oregon
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Hagar on December 13, 2008, 09:32:12 pm
Do they have any shops in the UK or distributors?
 Wouldn't mind a look see first

Robert

Have no idea, but you can email Lion Roar to find out.  http://www.lionroar.net/

Chuck

Could only find this set on e-bay. Their own website had no mention of it that I could find.
One thing that we should think of is customs and excise or what ever you call your blood sucking tax departments.
If I were to purchase this up grade, 103. plus postage = 115.00 + duties =136.00 PLUS VAT @25%  >>:-( = 171.00 Add to that any surcharges that the post office might feel that they have incurred. It apparently costs extra to hand a taxed package over the counter than it does an untaxed one <*<

In view of this if there is some one that knows of a place in Europe that sells these, please speak up.

I found a store in Germany that carries it, at least I think it is in Germany, here is the page for the kit from Loin Roar ( https://shop.modellmarine.de/product_info.php?products_id=362&language=en&osCsid=eae5565483c207cdf49c4a8e0ec592b9 ). They are listing in in Eruos so that is a good sign.

I hope this helps,

Andre
over yonder in Portland Oregon

Thanks Andre Once I get Christmas out of the way and findout if I still have a job, I will look into that.115 thats what 80?
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: dougal99 on December 13, 2008, 09:41:10 pm


Thanks Andre Once I get Christmas out of the way and findout if I still have a job, I will look into that.115 thats what 80?

Nope. At today's quoted exchange rate it's about 107  >>:-(
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: John @ WEM on January 16, 2009, 05:48:16 pm
Be aware that the color callouts in the Italeri instructions are wrong for that camouflage measure.
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Mark47 on January 26, 2009, 09:58:10 pm
Just a note on colour.

They did experiment with zebra stripe (black and white) on a couple of boats then returned to olive. It was in an old copy of marine modeling or model boats magazine. I had a photo copy of it years ago but with three house moves since it has disappeared.

Mark
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: jchk on January 27, 2009, 03:17:36 pm
I have a PT596 too and want to share with PT Boats lovers.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596007.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596008.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596009.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596010.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596013.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596014.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596015.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596016.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596017.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596018.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596019.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596020.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/jchik/PT109/PT596029.jpg)
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Mark47 on January 27, 2009, 05:36:02 pm
I have a PT596 too and want to share with PT Boats lovers.

Nice job. :-))

The camo paint scheme you have used was also in the article I am referring to.

Mark
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Capricorn on January 29, 2009, 03:21:21 am
That is fantastic jchk!  Looks like it has plenty of motorpower %%.  Will you have some video?  Cap
Title: Re: Italeri ; ELCO 80' Torpedo boat PT596
Post by: Andre ZS1AZ on February 01, 2009, 12:44:53 pm
Nice piece of work.  Is that the one from the Model Boat plan?  I will be starting mine once I have a bit more of the Bismarck done as I am quite a bit behind.  Cheers...Andre.