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Title: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 11, 2013, 03:11:52 PM
Well, I suppose that I had better start my new project now that the lifeboats have been finished and sailed ( well, one at least, as the other has found a new home and I don't want it to sink before the new owner has taken delivery of it, lol)
My choice of new project ( or my daughter's to be honest) is one of Caledonian MacBraynes ( Calmac for short) inter Island roll on roll off car/passenger ferries that plied their way between Wemyss Bay and Rothesay on the Isle of Bute for a good 30+ years before being taken out of service a few short years ago to go for scrap.
There were three vessels in the class whish were called "The Streakers", and they were called Jupiter, Juno and Saturn. Sadly the Jupiter and Juno went for scrap some time ago but the Saturn remains tied up at a marina in Roseneath on Gareloch off the Clyde, opposite Greenock.
Below are some photos of the three ships whilst still in service, and I think that they have a particularly nice "dashing" look about them with a good flair at the bow and a lovely sheer to the hull.
I have sailed on them numerous times over the years with my family and always thought that they would make a good project, especially with twin Voith Schnieder propulsion units powering them.
So here it is, a joint project between myself and a friend called Andrew Petre' who lives close to Glasgow.
My daughter chose, out of the three vessels, the  MV Jupiter for me to model for her in her last guise before being taken out of service, but below are some shots of all three boats, to give you a flavour of what they all looked like in their hayday, and happier times.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 11, 2013, 04:33:08 PM
And so to the model.
The hard work has been done, and all by my friend Andrew Petre'.
Andrew is a senior Camera Operater with the BBC Scotland Television service, and saw my request for anyone with plans of the Jupiter to contact me. That was some time ago and we have become friends over the airwaves over the past 8 - 10 months, and finally met up in Glasgow at BBC Pacific Warf last Saturday, when Andrew gave us a guided tour of the BBC studios, which, to be honest, blew our minds..........I have never been to a more fascinating place in my life, and Andrew showed us things that we would never see again in a lifetime.....A BIG THANKYOU , Andrew.
and so back to the build.
 
Well, Andrew has done the hard job, and that is to produce the plug for a fibre glass mould, and it is made to a scale of around 1:45 so 1.48 scale fittings if available for anything will not feel out of place.
But the first job will be to ready the plug for taking a GRP mould in order to take a few mouldings from.
 
This will be a direct copy from the plug, as the rubbing strakes and beltings on all three boats were different........they will be added to the moulding of  boat choice once the relative owner chooses which boat he/she wants to model. The hull comes out at 59" or for the  euro price.......   1.5 mts length over all.
This first part is a little ad hock as I can't describe how Andrew made the plug excepting to say that it was built conventionally from centre keel, frames and plank on frame with polyester filler to give shape.............my normal choice of build method for the plug.
 
All fittings I shall be making and moulding before casting, in multiples, using methods I have  used before on my lifeboats but will for those who don't read lifeboat postings, re iterate when and where I go through a new process..............and, apart from the first pics of the plug that Andrew produced, and it is excellent, I'll now get down to it, and it may be a week or so before I post again and start the process of producing a split mould for the hull.
 
Just one more thing before I go away and get busy..........I will also be producing a set of moulds for the superstructure of the ship, and any other large part that will help the possible builder of future boats to a quicker easier build.
 
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 11, 2013, 04:43:49 PM
And finally, before I go any further, I have been following all posts on here about setting up of Voith Schnieder units, and am well aware, after also reading the article in this months Model Boats mag, about the limitation of throw and other aspects including rpm of motors etc, but I have another problem..............
 
My VSPU's are not set up in the boat like any other tractor tug.............they are set up longitudinally one at each end of the ship, and both units are unitary on the motion of forward and astern movement....ie........both units go forward together OR  astern together, but both are independent in motion port to starboard. i.e. they can both go port together, or starboard together, or one port whilst the other starboard.
Now it doesn't take any reader of this to realise I am a total numpty at this game..........but even I realise that I am going to need a mixer or more than one mixer to simulate all this electronic wizardry.............so please..........Dave ( Inertia ) will you please have a think as to how I can do this set up on my boat please, and if there is anything on the market can you please steer me to it.
 
But basically what I want is to one  TX stick on my radio gear to operate forward/reverse on both motors together, AND  operate left/right on one motor, and the other TX stick to operate engine revs and left/right on the second motor.................am I asking too much..........I haven't a clue.
 
Many thanks to all for info received.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Shipmate60 on August 11, 2013, 04:58:31 PM
Neil,
When driving these type of ships it was usual to use 1 VS Unit for power and the other for steering.
The steering Unit could also be used for power too.
Happy days on these ferries I used to live in Wemyss Bay!!!!


Bob


PS and Largs
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on August 11, 2013, 06:02:19 PM
Well,welcome back Cap'n.
You did warn us that your next model was not going to be a Lifeboat,and you were not kidding!
Not my type of ship,but I am sure your build will be as interesting and informative as ever.
I very much look forward to your future postings.It has been quiet on here for the last two weeks! ;D %% %%
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 11, 2013, 06:16:44 PM
Neil,
When driving these type of ships it was usual to use 1 VS Unit for power and the other for steering.
The steering Unit could also be used for power too.
Happy days on these ferries I used to live in Wemyss Bay!!!!


Bob


PS and Largs

Cheers, Bob.
 
No, apparently they did have their voiths linked......got irrefutable evidence via a video of the captain on the bridge of Jupiter talking about them and saying that they were actually linked as an accident happened apparently with a ship at one point that had a similar set up and one unit was going astern independently whilst the other was going ahead with consequences.
Also have a friend in largs who is skipper of Loch Riddon in summer and does relief skipper around the fleet in winter............he actually sailed on Saturn and Jupiter, and also confirmed they were both linked to one motion for and aft..
 
And cheers, Mick..................yes told you it would be different.
 
Now though I have a bigger problem that the voiths................as this model is for my daughter Mollie...........she seems to have taken an interest in what I have put..........and has already pointed out several spelling and grammatical mistakes.......................so I am going to have to watch my self on this one.............or will get it in the neck from her, lol.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: TugCowboy on August 11, 2013, 06:20:18 PM
Neil (and Mollie!)


Great topic for a model, have always fancied one of these ferries as a subject for RC.
Look forward to seeing more of the build.


Alex
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 11, 2013, 06:24:38 PM
How long were you up there for Bob......................we just love the area, and may one day retire to that part of the world, once the kids have gone through their exams and further training.
 
I don't think there is a better coastline for views and shipping anywhere that I have visited before...........just wonderful.
PS.......anyone fancy buying a real Clyde class lifeboat...know of one for sale.....only 100K...the Gardner 8L3B marine engines are worth more than that on their own.......see here  http://www.nelsonsboats.co.uk/boatdescription.html?BoatID=203 (http://www.nelsonsboats.co.uk/boatdescription.html?BoatID=203)
 
we were on board her last Wednesday for a cruise on the Clyde with the owner Iain Crosby and she purred like a kitten
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 11, 2013, 06:25:17 PM
cheers Alex.
Hope to make a start in the next week or so. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: gingyer on August 11, 2013, 06:49:04 PM
When you set it up
Can you put a steering servo on each unit but
Have them facing opposite ways and connected on a Y lead
So if the front servo is pushing left the rear servo is pushing right


The only problem is you wouldn't be able to move sidewards as if docking


I may be totally wrong as I haven't done this before :embarrassed:
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 11, 2013, 06:55:05 PM
that's the problem Gingyer.......with hard tackle I would loose out on the total manoeuvrability that I want..........I want her to behave as the real ship in every way, sideways, diagonally, every which way and the only way I think I'll be able to achieve this is electronically......gawd forbid, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: gingyer on August 11, 2013, 06:59:47 PM
Or a 4ch radio with each stick controlling each unit
And a bit of brain power to work it right knowing me I would have it going
Round in circles but not forward %% %% [size=78%] [/size]


It's a shame my dads cousin is no longer with us as he was an engineer
On these ships with mal-cac and I spent a fair bit on them going to
Dunoon to see family
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on August 11, 2013, 08:52:14 PM
Hi Neil
 
Glad to see you made it home safe and sound with the family. The weather was very kind while you were North of the border! Delighted you all enjoyed the tour of the studios, you've had a wee insight into how things are made. :-))
 
Strange seeing the hull I've been working on 'at your end' so to speak, but delighted I've been able to help you. I'll be watching closely as you work your magic!
 
As we discussed I'll email you very soon with some pictures and a couple of web links.
 
Kind regards
 
Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 11, 2013, 09:12:32 PM
Thanks Andrew.....the visit, was just superb..........hope to see you again in the not too distant future with the moulds and mouldings, and return the plug.
 
Take care and don't run over your toes with one of those cameras, lol..........they were awesome.
 
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Shipmate60 on August 11, 2013, 09:17:26 PM
Neil,
Most VS ferries can and do link the VS Units together for passage.
On maneuvering/docking they should always be unlocked.
Several docking accidents have occurred when the mate has forgotten to decouple the units.
When coupled the steering effect is reduced but ahead/astern power is not.
I have worked on VS tugs (Single and Twin) and VS Wightlink and Red Funnel Ferries and Dodes on this site has driven most of them them.



I moved up to Largs in 1982 and lived in the Greenock area for just over 15yrs.
That is where I was a member of Largs, Greenock, Glasgow South and Glasgow Richmond clubs.
Some extremely good modellers up there and I knew Ginger when he was just a wee boy!!


Bob
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 11, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
cheers Bob..............so really I could use the two sticks on a 6 channel tx to operate both motors independently, without too much wizardry which confuses me so much, lol
 
Never been to the other 3 clubs, but I always find Largs model boat club such an incredibly friendly club to visit
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: gingyer on August 11, 2013, 09:47:09 PM
and I knew Ginger when he was just a wee boy!!

Bob


And that wasn't yesterday {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Shipmate60 on August 11, 2013, 09:47:22 PM
A long time ago I was one of the original members who started the Largs Club.
The Greenock water is certainly far bigger and the Glasgow clubs have larger membership.


The VS Units can be used in any way you feel comfortable.
I would suggest full control on each unit taking 4 channels then you can drive her as you like using fore or aft for steering


Bob
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 11, 2013, 09:49:55 PM
where is the Greenock club water, lads...........for reference when I'm up there next year.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Shipmate60 on August 11, 2013, 09:51:56 PM
Ther Murdieson Dam.
When you head from Largs To Greenock (Do you ever use the Old Largs Road?) it is just off Dunlop Street the higher road through greenock.

Some good lads there, when we docked I took a few over our ship.

Bob
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 11, 2013, 09:57:55 PM
is that the one that leads up from Brisbane glen road and over the tops to the top of Greenock where you get the most incredible views of the clyde...........if so yes...........will key in the road on google maps and see where you mean.
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 11, 2013, 10:16:41 PM
Found it.......when do they meet, Bob.
 
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Shipmate60 on August 11, 2013, 10:19:08 PM
Sunday afternoon and Wed or Thurs evening, there are a few members on here so might be able to confirm.


Bob
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: irishcarguy on August 12, 2013, 08:56:51 PM
Its nice to see you back Neil, & I am really looking forward to your new project, I will be glued to the forum. At present we have Dave Martin (Norseman on the forum) & his better half Jenny staying with us for a couple weeks & so far they are having a great time. Yesterday Dave saw the biggest train he has ever seen going through the Rockies. (He works on the railways in U/K) I really like the new project you are undertaking but did not expect any less from you. Have you any pictures of the lifeboats just finished with the crews all in place & painted, it would be nice to see if you have. Thanks again, Mick B.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 12, 2013, 09:17:58 PM
hi Mick..................no, haven't finished the crew yet...........in fact not done anything to them other than spray them all satin black..........neil.
 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: cjcj121 on August 12, 2013, 10:21:38 PM
Interesting model subject . Gonna keep my eye on this  :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Sandy on August 13, 2013, 04:39:02 PM
I saw Andrew today here at the BBC and he mentioned this thread.
 
Nice to see this being built. I was on the 'Isle of Arran' (Calmac's stand by ferry) some months ago fixing their server and the Saturn was moored alongside at Rosneath. I guess she will end her days there.
 
I am assuming, being a Model Steamer Club boat, she will be 48th scale?
 
All the best
Sandy
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 13, 2013, 05:03:27 PM
Hi sandy.........I think Andrew has built the plug to around 1:45 scale so I won't be changing it........I have the plans full size to hull so will be following them for everything.
think we know each other from Shipsnostalgia if I'm not mistaken.
 
Yes, went to Rosneath last day of our hols last Friday, and twisted the arm of the Operations Manager at Calmac to allow me to take some photos of her from the Jetty, on the condition that I didn't publish photos of her......"I went on a guided tour" in absentium of the owner of the Rosneath marina so as I promised, I'll keep the photos of Saturn private, sorry.
 
neil (nhp651)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Sparky on August 13, 2013, 11:11:15 PM
Neil -- I'm so sorry to hear that you've been b------d about by some selfish individual,
you were only trying to do your best for them, lower the stress levels by continuing to
build your models to your usual high standard !, :-)) :-))  and keep the photos coming !
 
(after reading your earlier post)
 
Vic.         ok2
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 13, 2013, 11:17:52 PM
Cheers Vic..............it'll be a week or so before |I get down to the ferry in earnest as I am re fitting some grab lines to one of my older lifeboats at the moment ready for a few sails this summer ( what's left of it..........so the Jupiter will wait a few days.
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on August 14, 2013, 10:33:20 AM
Hi Neil and Sandy
 
The reason the hull is the scale it is was driven by the size of the Graupner Voith propulsion units. At 1/48 scale the hull would have been a little too small to fit them in. The difference in scale won't be that noticeable on the water with other models. The stern unit will still be fun to fit though....... but that's another story....... {-) 
 
Regards to you both
 
Andrew
   
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Sandy on August 14, 2013, 10:58:23 AM
Hi Neil and Andrew,
 
My plan with the 'Sound of Shuna' was to have a strategically placed pair of containers or trucks on the car deck...  :-)
 
All the best
Sandy
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: dreadnought72 on August 14, 2013, 11:28:44 AM
Just wading in, here.

Remember those camera pedestals you saw? They're maybe the answer to "how" to operate twin VSs.

In normal camera mode the peds are in "crab": all wheels turn together, controlled by the steering ring. The ped moves ariound the floor without changing its heading.
In not normal mode, the ped can be put into "steer" which locks two sets of the three wheels, and the steering ring controls the third set, allowing you to just change the heading.

So what if ...

You use two channels (X/Y) to control the direction of thrust of both units, and one switch to allow you to enter crab or steer.

In steer mode (the default for sailing around the lake) the forward and aft VSs are inverse linked to the steering input - if the forward one thrusts left, the aft one thrusts right.

In crab mode (the best for parking up and setting off) the steering input is common to the forward and aft VSs - both thrust left or right.

There's a way to do this with a home-brewed mixer, taking input from the receiver and pumping out whatever PWMs are required for control.

Andy (ex-BBC cameraman, who lives near Glasgow  %) )
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 14, 2013, 12:27:03 PM
sorry Andy.......not being technically minded, you lost me on the first sentence.
 
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: dreadnought72 on August 15, 2013, 12:16:07 AM
I'll try again!  :embarrassed:

For all your control needs, you only require two channels (that's one x/y stick) and a switch. Here's how it could be made to work (the following feels "intuitive"):

The switch allows you to select "crab" or "steer".

"Crab" moves the hull around without changing the hull's heading. Left/right, forward/back. And any angle inbetween. In this mode, the VSs do the same thing. The angle of the stick (measured from vertical = forward) determines the angle the hull will move, while the distance the stick is from the central position determines how much thrust to apply.

"Steer" drives the boat as normal. Forward/backward thrust depends on the stick's "y" displacement, while the "x" displacement adds side thrust, acting in opposite directions on the two VSs. This would allow you to turn on a sixpence (stick centred on the y-axis, but not centred on the x-axis), and drive the boat in a "rudder-like" manner.

So how would it work, technically?

On the boat the receiver decodes the switch state and the two channels - these two are output as "pulse width modulated" signals.

Using a microprocessor (arduino, pickaxe, raspberry pi - there's loads out there, around the £30 mark) you feed in the receiver output. Add some maths. And output pwm signals to your twin escs and the four servos that control the VS collectives. The programming required is not difficult, and if this approach (or something like it) is the route you'd like to take then I'd be happy to go into more detail on this side of things for you.

Andy, proud owner of a new Arduino - slated for turret control on a big, grey battleship some on the forum may recall.  O0



Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 15, 2013, 09:50:56 AM
a little clearer andy........but could you draw me some diagrams please......might be able to understand it better if I have that help.
 
cheers, neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: dreadnought72 on August 15, 2013, 11:24:48 AM
Better than a diagram!

Try this wee app (http://www.thefreckledfish.com/demo.html). It's written in Flash, so you'll need a non-Mac platform to try it out. If that link doesn't work, try this one (http://www.thefreckledfish.com/demo.swf).

There's a two-axis stick you can drag about, and a switch which can be clicked. The output of the controls are shown on the VSs - the black bar on each VS is the push from each. (And all in 8kb!)

In the real thing, as software is producing the outputs required for the escs and servos controlling the "collectives", this could be modded to best suit the requirements of the boat - such as " somewhat less" steering when in steer mode, to avoid it driving like a shopping trolley.

Andy


Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on August 15, 2013, 11:41:24 AM
Now that's very clever!! :-))
They say a picture paints a thousand words! Brillaint Andy!
 
Regards
 
Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: dreadnought72 on August 15, 2013, 12:06:50 PM
Many thanks!

Now then: is Neil convinced?!  ;)

Andy
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: trawlerman on August 15, 2013, 12:29:56 PM
Neil might not be convinced but I am, I,m convinced its going to be 6 months to build and about 20 years to get the drive to work. He,s going to be round our house every day saying how depressed he is...Cheer up Neil  ...Rod  :-))    :-))   %%   %%   {-)   {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 15, 2013, 02:25:36 PM
Many thanks!

Now then: is Neil convinced?!  ;)

Andy
Yes andy........I'm convinced......however.........I have one problem with that in that I need both voiths to work together on forward and reverse but independently on the sideward movement, so that the boat can pirouette when needed, and those apps, don't show from one stick that I can do that
 
been pricing up an R16 tx/rx set today........ouch!!.......
 
as for you wodney............................yoo pyonker {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: dreadnought72 on August 15, 2013, 03:36:08 PM
It does - shove it into "steer" and move the stick left or right!  :-))

I've been tinkering with the maths in the meantime. Demo version #2 will be along shortly.

Andy
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 15, 2013, 03:58:17 PM
ah yes...........I see now....it wouldn't work first time round on the steer.......was just using the crab switch, lol.........
 
brilliant................now how do I transfer that to electric wizardry.......please help. ta.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: dreadnought72 on August 15, 2013, 04:20:38 PM
Here's version 2 (http://www.thefreckledfish.com/demo2.html).  And here (http://www.thefreckledfish.com/demo2.swf), if that first link doesn't work for you.

Subtle differences: the full "square" of the stick movement is now enabled for the "crab" mode. That means you get 100% power only at full deflection, which would make for more accurate handling.

And in "steer" mode, I've toned down the steering at full ahead and full reverse - you get 20% "throw" when at full speed, compared to 100% when slow. This means less shopping trolley when motoring about, but full pirouette when stationary or at slow speed.

The thing is, once the basics are done, tweaking the specific constants in the programming allows for all sorts of mixer rates to best suit the vessel/operator/conditions.

As to transferring to electrical wizardry: an on-board microprocessor takes PWM inputs from the receiver. It crunches the info using a program*. It outputs PWM signals to the ESCs and four servos.

A board like the Arduino (~£30) can handle the PWM inputs and outputs with a huge amount of accuracy and a high clock speed: you get a simple "single stick and switch" input which maximises all the functions of a twin VS on the boat, without having to master octopus-like levels of stick-control.  :-))

*programs need programmers. But programs are simply recipes written in a machine-friendly language. The examples I posted use a language called ActionScript, and took well under an hour to produce. I'm currently learning how to program the Arduino, and would be delighted to offer a hand when A/ I've mastered it, and B/ you're ready to go sail-by-wire.

Andy
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on August 16, 2013, 01:03:36 AM
A black art for me  ;D ....Question.......would a servo slow down be used on the control the rate of motion/change of direction to both drives? ......Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: dreadnought72 on August 16, 2013, 01:59:48 AM
No servo slow down required - it can be programmed into the software.

Andy
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 16, 2013, 06:57:19 PM
well, I'm going to put that mind boggling part of the  project to one side for the moment whilst I think about it and get on with preparing the plug for moulding.
 
So, today I started by making the small plinths which will be moulded into and as part of the hull, and these were made from 6mm ply in the first instance.
 
They are actually not a scale part of the hull of the real ship but when moulded in, will give a flat base on which to put the flange ring of the Graupner VSPU , which in turn takes the actual unit.
 
also by lowering the position o the VPSU by giving it the extra depth it may alleviate the need to make a dummy piece of load where the motor part of the Vpsu could protrude through the deck.
 
But then again a modification from brushed to brushless motor purely for size might have to be thought of later, before the deck goes on............either that or a longer belt for belt drive.
 
I have also faired down the two skegs as shown on the plans for better water flow to the Vpsu's, and thus aiding better water flow.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Netleyned on August 16, 2013, 07:12:38 PM
Come on Neil VS PU each time or we will be more confused than you
when the build is doing basin trials %% %%
Unless VPSU means Very Posh Speed Unit :-))

Looking forward to the build.

Ned
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 16, 2013, 08:22:13 PM
whoops....sorry ned.....dyslexia rules, ko
 
must take more care %% %% %% %%
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: dreadnought72 on August 16, 2013, 09:38:43 PM
I hope you do go brushless. Not least because THAT's a black art to me - yet with VSs you only need "forward" ESCs, which might improve the "affordability".

Looking forward to seeing this build develop!

Andy
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 16, 2013, 10:20:56 PM
been chatting with Andrew this afternoon (Pioneer, my cohort in crime  build), and it is one way of getting the motor underneath the rear deck, to go with a brushless motor as there isn't a great deal of space, and as the vspu's don't need a great deal of revs, and the fact that they only need forward motion on the motor......reckon it might be a good idea.. plus both units could run off small output/physical size motor each,and one esc between them.......it would help greatly the electrical wizardry set up.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on August 17, 2013, 11:13:36 PM
Glued the boss's onto the hull today, using polyester filler, did a little filling of a few small uneven bits to the plug, and sanded all down................and then I couldn't resist it..

 Why build only one Calmac ferry when you can build two.

 I bought this little landing craft look alike ay a car boot earlier this year for a fiver, and although it's a little twisted it's nothing that can't be straightened out in the build, and it is the same scale as the Jupiter..........so am going to build it as a little inter island ferry called Eigg
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Arrow5 on October 16, 2013, 10:05:29 AM
Nice, have a look at the new Cromarty Ferry for next project  O0
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on October 16, 2013, 10:45:02 AM
Hey Neil,
I'm coming up tomorrow,can you dust my stool off please?
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on October 16, 2013, 10:53:05 AM
 %) .....1/2 your luck Rottweiler.......to spend time in that DUSTY workshop  O0 .....do enjoy your visit :D ....but  just one question.......
 
Neil.........do you make cups of tea for your visiting guests?  {-) %%   >>:-(   :kiss: ......Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on October 16, 2013, 11:51:32 AM
%) .....1/2 your luck Rottweiler.......to spend time in that DUSTY workshop  O0 .....do enjoy your visit :D ....but  just one question.......
 
Neil.........do you make cups of tea for your visiting guests?  {-) %%   >>:-(   :kiss: ......Derek

for you Derek, coming that far I'd even make you a bacon butty {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on October 16, 2013, 11:53:52 AM
I can answer that for him,yes he does make tea or coffee,and if you are really lucky you get an egg barm as well!
He is a great host(and a great bloke too)
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on October 16, 2013, 11:55:07 AM
I've had a few personal upsets to deal with the last couple of months which have depressed me somewhat to the stage where I couldn't be bothered with doing anything other than with my kids but now a re mortgage has been sorted, I am a fighter and will bounce back.........it's almost time to get back into the build process. O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on October 16, 2013, 11:57:01 AM
anyone know of a nice blonde lady, good figure and pretty face, 45 - 60 years old with plenty of dosh to spend on an old git like me.........point them in my way please. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on October 16, 2013, 11:59:43 AM
try Battersea Dogs Home?  {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: GAZOU on October 16, 2013, 12:34:05 PM
 :-)  NEILHello

I have your business!
My neighbor is blonde, 40 years old and has a pretty good pink face
It is much like Piggy.
You will not be stolen, it weighs 147 kg
and has extensive experience
 
(http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/15/37/42/64/20766110.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=3183&u=15374264)
 
this photo will destroy after thirty seconds if you do not contact Séverine
 
 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on October 16, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
:-)  NEILHello

I have your business!
My neighbor is blonde, 40 years old and has a pretty good pink face
It is much like Piggy.
You will not be stolen, it weighs 147 kg
and has extensive experience
 

this photo will destroy after thirty seconds if you do not contact Séverine

pure class Gazou..........pure class............love the lady {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 18, 2013, 09:01:51 PM
Well! I haven't found a pretty blonde yet, but will keep looking, lol
 
so mind back onto the real job,..................
 
and today was a day with the filler........first the hull sides to fair them in where I had changed the shape of the hull at the stern, and then fabricating a strange skeg shape to the hull, as shown in a picture of her sister ship Raasay.
 
Note also the strange "Y" shaped prop shaft supports that will have to be fabricated and soldered up at some stage...........happy days again, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: irishcarguy on November 18, 2013, 10:12:04 PM
Mick I was thinking ( always dangerous) that with a pen name like yours you would know where all the bad girls,or is it dogs slept, you bad boy. Lets not get our Neil into trouble or at least anymore than he can do himself. Neil I think you learned your boat building from a plasterer, lovely work though, Mick B.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 18, 2013, 10:31:46 PM
that's pure art, matey.........what you can do with a bone handled knife..................just amazing {-) {-) {-)
 
don't tell the misses............wooops!!!! don't need to, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on November 18, 2013, 10:50:23 PM
Hullo Neil....I know looks or angles can be deceiving  %) :o ...but does the faired stern hull have enough upward sweep?
From the real vessel image......the actual stern [corners] has virtually zero draft to the waterline......
I still think the young lady's image courtesy of GAZOU is just beautiful.........Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on November 18, 2013, 11:06:01 PM
can you really imagine Neil and Miss Piggy in a romantic setting on the beach,running toward each other then.....wham both lying flat on their backs.At least piggy has a hand up her ar#e to help her up,Neil will have to float out with the tide (lol?) %) %) :D :D
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 18, 2013, 11:12:44 PM
can you really imagine Neil and Miss Piggy in a romantic setting on the beach,running toward each other then.....wham both lying flat on their backs.At least piggy has a hand up her ar#e to help her up,Neil will have to float out with the tide (lol?) %) %) :D :D
Mick F

you have a very perverse mind to think that one up matey............I'm worried about you,  {-) {-) {-)
 
Derek...............been thinking about that, and although it's going to be a stand off scale model, I think I'm going to add about 10mm to the bottom of the boat to give it a little more draught.......will have a look tomorrow and see about adding a couple of blanks.
 
going to lie down in a darkened room now.........can't get those thoughts and images of mick's out of my mind. %% %% %%
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: GAZOU on November 19, 2013, 08:21:03 AM
 ;)
I showed the pictures of the hull to my neighbor.
She is happy in the interest of NEIL.
When my neighbor NEIL will see her rub her back against the hull.

Severine is the name of my neighbor wants a picture of NEIL
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 19, 2013, 10:20:27 AM
is she under 60, all her own teeth,  slim,  and mega rich, Gazou {-) {-) {-) {-)
 
if so pass the pic on..............but tell her..................I'm the good looking one on the left with the transmitter in hand....stood up, lol not the other geezer on the right...............haven't a clue who he is.............just took one of my boats for a sail at Blackpool %% %% %%
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on November 19, 2013, 10:24:47 AM
Just waiting to see if the beautiful Miss Piggy :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: materializes here Gazou for Neil  %) ........so poured a beer & guess what?.... bubbles......... {-) Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 19, 2013, 10:29:33 AM
that looks good and cold, Derek........could just fancy one of those.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on November 19, 2013, 10:38:42 AM
amazing how I could consume about 200 ml in one minute!  {-) ........no.....bull sh#it....mabe 200 ml in 10 seconds? :embarrassed:  ......Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: GAZOU on November 19, 2013, 11:23:03 AM
Sometimes I go to my neighbor's room before dinner ........................ That's what there is on the bedside table! ! ! !

I do not care, I'm not jealous
 
(http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/15/37/42/64/my_lov10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=3256&u=15374264)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 19, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
Sometimes I go to my neighbor's room before dinner ........................ That's what there is on the bedside table! ! ! !

I do not care, I'm not jealous
 
(http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/15/37/42/64/my_lov10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=3256&u=15374264)

I'm getting worried about you Gazou ........think you've been eating too much Blue cheese. lol  {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on November 19, 2013, 12:06:06 PM
I hope when you saw the photo of piggy, you had your boxing gloves on when you went to bed Neil? (I think they save you scratching your tender skin!) ;D ;D
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Norseman on November 25, 2013, 12:03:34 AM
Hmmn?
I am strangely attracted to the thought of a girlfriend that tastes like bacon.

Also I have just had an odd image of Gazou laying there saying "Goodnight miss Piggy, turn the light off Neil"  :o

Dave & Beer
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 25, 2013, 08:32:33 AM
think you need to lay off the sauce matey, if it makes you think like that...............I would have thought Pork scratchings would have been more near the mark, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on November 25, 2013, 11:16:53 AM
Dave, would you be dreaming of breakfast in bed then? ;) ;)
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Norseman on November 25, 2013, 04:52:43 PM
The management regrets a temporary lack of service ....  {:-{

How about some boat stuff Neil before Mick B gets up in Canada ... the class are already getting out of hand  O0

Dave
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 25, 2013, 06:47:56 PM
haven't done any in days matey.........just had no time sorting "things" out, if ya know what I mean
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: irishcarguy on November 25, 2013, 07:42:48 PM
I am up Dave & feeling better too. Get on with the build Neil I have nothing to do but to watch it right now. Dave I think you have a dirty mind but very interesting, Mick B.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on December 06, 2013, 03:05:13 PM
only a tiny bit done recently but have now fitted the false bottom onto the boat. this will allow me to position the twin prop shafts under the counter more easily. it was made from a piece of 15mm ply and has been faired in at the stern, but have now run out of filler so will do the rest, later, and then sanded down. I have no idea as to what paint was used to give it it's Olive Drab green look, but presuming it was brushed enamels I will then sand down to bare wood before sanding sealer and spray paints are used.......it's coming on, and circumstances change next week and so I'll then have a greater time to give it's bigger counterpart, the Jupiter much more time..........yippee.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Norseman on December 06, 2013, 03:14:31 PM
next week and so I'll then have a greater time to give

Aren't you forgetting Xmas , the red suit, kids and chimneys? You'll be far too busy ... I would just like a Chant hull please Santa  :}

Dave
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on December 06, 2013, 03:38:54 PM
you mean like this here..........this was me at a kids party, of the staff of the school I used to teach at in Canberra by the side of Lake Burley Griffin, in Canberra, itself in 1976.....things don't change what ever hemisphere we are in, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on December 06, 2013, 04:39:39 PM
Oh yes they do... you dont need the false padding now to fill out the suit!!!!! {-) {-) {-) %% %% :P :P
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on December 06, 2013, 04:43:50 PM
cheeky sod..........you know me too well, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Netleyned on December 06, 2013, 04:50:58 PM
I thought it was Rudolph that had the red nose. {-) {-) {-)


Ned
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on December 06, 2013, 04:58:40 PM
In thirty four years, I have never noticed that before, lol.......trick oh the light, or may have been sun burn from lack of use of zink block, {-) {-) {-) :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on December 06, 2013, 05:00:56 PM
and I'm still doing it, lol..........just been asked to do the local school kid's party on the 19th, lol....it's great seeing the little one's faces that believe :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on December 06, 2013, 05:40:27 PM
reminds me of the forgotten Reindeer.Everyone remembers Rudolph the red nosed reindeer,but one who never gets a mention is Henry the BROWN nosed reindeer.He was always pulling Santas sleigh, in the second row behind Rudolph.He could run as fast as Rudolph,but his brakes were no where near as good,hence the brown nose! (think about it lol) Thanks to Mrs Brown for that one.
Father Christmas has a bit of a rival  but this one gives out RNLI flags,and lollipops to the children.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: trawlerman on December 06, 2013, 05:53:07 PM
Ho Ho Ho....When you do your santa bit, PLEASE do not try to get down the chimney......Ho Ho Ho  {-)   {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on December 06, 2013, 06:06:38 PM
I thought you'd dropped off yer perch matey............we ( rach and I ) have had bad coughs for weeks and so have stayed away whilst they improve.

you'd fit into the same suit though...mind you ya'd have to grow yer hair some, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 10, 2014, 08:06:22 PM
Well, back to the build.......have finally got over Christmas and a new year and back to a little model making.........

the Jupiter has had blocks of timber glued to the cross frames to take the centre piece of timber to take the flange for the grp mould.............moukld making is soon to follow.yippeeee...............a legal high at last..........can just smell those vapours,  %% %% %% %%
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 13, 2014, 05:09:45 PM
the start of something BIG..............today I got down to it, ordered my grp resin, gelcoat and matting from Glasplies in Southport and will pick it up after our trip to the Passport pffice in Blackburn...........umph

today made the flange that will form the joint for the two part mould.
For anyone who followed my recent lifeboat builds turn off now, but for those who didn't.....

My Moulds............ when ever I make a mould I ALWAYS  use a mould that is in at least two parts........sometimes 3 or even 4 parts have been used in the past, and although this sort of mould shows mould lines, it makes for far easier extraction of the moulding if you can peel away the parts from the moulding rather than prising the moulding out of a one piece mould.....with resultant damage or deformity to the hull, and damage to the mould which you might use again, as this mould will be.

to facilitate this I use moulds with flanges on them that can be bolted together to hold the mould in one piece for actual moulding.

the flange was today made first in  card to make sure they fit where they touched, and then drawn onto MDF and ply( anything lying around) and then glued together from the three parts to make one complete flange.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 13, 2014, 08:37:25 PM
WAXING UP..

the hull plug is now being given a series of coats of NONE SILICON based release agent wax bought from Glasplies especially to do the job.

please, if you want to attempt a mould yourselves..........DON'T be tempted to use a cheaper type wax polish that you might use for furniture polishing............they almost always contain a silicon and this will quite probably react with the gelcoat when applied giving a rippling or orange peel coat to the mould which will replicate itself on the moulding and all your hard work preparing a good plug will be for nowt

I will probably give this plug 8 - 10 coats of wax over the next day or so.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 15, 2014, 06:03:22 PM
the plug is now ready to mould.......I attached the flange to the backbone of the boat today, firstly fixing at both ends with screws. the large one going through to the center bar of timber was put in purely to hold the flange upright as the weight of it was tending to pull it over and away from the keel.....no mysterious point there at all.

the flange screws were then covered in moulder's plastecine to aid the removal of the flange from the first moulded half. and then the flange was backed up from behind with lumps of plastecine, and a few on the moulding side just to keep the flange in place initially...........

once the flange had been backed up, the gaps on the hull between keel and flange were filled with more plastecine to give a mould with no gaps.

tomorrow before moulding, the plug will be given a coating of PVA release agent, just to make sure everything separates later.

now on to moulding, and hopefully the gell coat and first half will be carried out tomorrow.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on January 15, 2014, 08:04:09 PM
Hi Neil

Great to see your progress with the plug prep! Looking forward to watching the next stages as the mould takes shape.  :-))

Trust this finds you well. Been busy up here............. coughs and colds etc!  <*<

Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 15, 2014, 08:15:32 PM
Hi Andrew, things have finally settled at home personally and I now feel a new impetus to get into the workshop without worrying about other things..........will call you in the next day or so for a chat, about life but hopefully I will be able to start pulling a few moulds out of the mould for us by next week...first side of the mould will be made tomorrow, and then the second half the day after.......be curing by the weekend with any luck.

How are you, and are you busy at work.

I took the kids up to Erskine and Oban a couple of weekends ago.................chucked it down all weekend, but still good to get up to the Holy land

Speak to you soon.

neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on January 15, 2014, 08:40:18 PM
Hi Neil

Glad things have settled down for you. I'm fine thanks, had a cold that won't go away! Annoying at the best of times but particularly when you have taken a week of annual leave!! I'm in studio the next couple of days doing a gameshow pilot programme so will be clutching multiple packs of Hall's Soothers. This month isn't too busy work wise so have had a chance to catch up around the house, some modelling too when I can. I'm finishing off a homemade Vacform unit to help me vacform a particularly difficult part for my car ferry the Caledonia. Will let you know how that goes!

I'll try and give you a call during one of our studio breaks in the next couple of days. Glad you made it North, even if the weather was mince. Oban is lovely even in the rain! And of course lots of CalMac activity too! :-)) :-))

Speak soon.

Andrew 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 15, 2014, 08:45:30 PM
my daughter and I mollie ( Rachel was dog walking and shopping with friends) stood on the dock side with water dripping off our noses watching the comings and goings of Loch Riddon to Lismore, and still we enjoyed ourselves. lol

look forward to hearing from you.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 16, 2014, 11:53:13 AM
Gelcoat on the first half of the mould was on before 09.00 this morning...this gives a nice smooth surface for moulding up against , and it the only thing on the polyester resin moulding method that is relatively impervious to water.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 16, 2014, 11:56:48 AM
Now for the grp layers.............normally with one of my lifeboats where there are gentle curves I would slap a full half of a mould on in one go............but here we have some very tight sharp edges around the keel and the plinths for the Voith Schnieder units, and so I have put one layer on to that area and around the flange joint and left to go off before adding more layers.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 16, 2014, 07:15:49 PM
Have just been asked by a member via pm, and I don't think this is breaking a confidence on such a message, and it was how I got my plug to the condition ready to take a mould......

I answered:  getting a hull to that stage is just a lot of hard work, sanding, filling, more sanding, more filliing etc, and then once you think it's ready.....numerous (10 15 coats of) sanding sealer to harden the timber up, and then wire wool to bring it down again....finally a spray of grey primer to highlight any dents rises and other imperfections.........more filling and sanding, and then another grey primer.....if all well, a filler primer, and then rub it down with wet and dry to a (hopefully ) perfect finish, before waxing and polishing before gelcoating and laying up the mould.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 16, 2014, 07:20:58 PM
the first half of the mould has now been finished, the flange trimmed up and another coat of wax given before adding the blue PVA  release agent and ready for the second half moulding tomorrow.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 17, 2014, 03:06:20 PM
second half of the mould went swimmingly this morning...........no hassles, no problems and everything fit together perfectly........looks like the practice paid off with all those lifeboats, and I've now got the hang of it %% %% %%

After the grp had set I cleaned off the top of the mould where it meets the bulwark lines with a power file.

and then the heavens opened, and what the English cricket team had been praying for for weeks happened..........rain stopped play >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 17, 2014, 03:12:12 PM
then it was down to sanding the flange and the mould to get rid of painful grp"Needles", and if you have ever suffered from those, you know what I mean <:( <:( <:( <:( <:(

at this time I also marked and drilled holes in the flange to take the 6mm roofing bolts before I split the mould
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 17, 2014, 03:19:09 PM
Finally I split the mould, using nylon wedges and a wooden mallet..............there was a satisfying "POP" when the mould broke away from the plug.

I never get over the thrill of this happening, knowing that by hearing this, the mould will probably be a good one.

I cleaned it up a little and then bolted it together temporarily to allow it to cure straight and true without warping.

will clean it up tomorrow and then start waxing up ready for the process of pulling a hull out of it,

I love it when a plan comes together. {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Liverbudgie on January 17, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
and then the heavens opened, and what the English cricket team had been praying for for weeks happened..........rain stopped play >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(

Wot rain? Been lovely down 'ere.

Nice job BTW though.

LB
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 17, 2014, 05:51:30 PM
Wot rain? Been lovely down 'ere.

Nice job BTW though.

LB

to much for me to stand outside with an electric power file, Jon..........my hair's curly enough {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on January 17, 2014, 07:02:23 PM
Hi Neil
 
Good to finally catch up this afternoon. Have just managed to find a computer free at work and login to have a look at the latest stages in the moulding. Looking very nice indeed!
 
Great work! :-)) :-))
 
Looking forward to seeing the first hull being laid up.
 
Regards
 
Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 17, 2014, 07:32:46 PM
won't be long now Andrew........can see these ships doing that famous figure of 8 pulling away from the quay side sooner than you think, lol
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Post by: Neil on January 18, 2014, 01:57:08 PM
I must either build smaller models, or get a bigger bath tub................starting to clean the residue from the mould thast was picked off the plug when it separated.......nice warm soapy water and a brillo pad or two will do the trick, plus a lot of elbow grease.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 18, 2014, 06:27:58 PM
Just amazing what a little warm water, a brillo pad and some elbow grease will do.........the mould is now ready for waxing up............next stop a hull or two...........great stuff.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: nemesis on January 18, 2014, 09:27:14 PM
Hi Neil, Don,t tell me that you going to laminate in that room. Altho we have all done it sometime. "yes dear, I know dear, but who bought the carpet, dear". I think I would leave it a while longer to cure out before doing the other side, imho. Are you making your own Voith units? Good Luck,  Nemesis
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: nemesis on January 18, 2014, 09:30:37 PM
Hi Neil, Stupid me, I should have read the prior postings on this thread, Sorry,  Nemesis
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 18, 2014, 09:32:00 PM
have to admit, have done it in the back room Once, lol....never live it down.......

no, the voiths are graupner ones......the newer type with longer blades.....haven't the skills or knowledge to make my own.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 19, 2014, 08:14:44 PM
Next stage is to wax up the mould,paint with the pva release agent, let it dry and bolt together using the 6mm roofing bolts before painting in a gelcoat ready for laying up a first hull tomorrow. ahh, it's good when a plan comes together, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: GAZOU on January 19, 2014, 08:48:39 PM
 {:-{

you pass the gel coat inside the hull?

I've always seen outside
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 19, 2014, 09:01:50 PM
no Gazou.....you are viewing the mould here, into which the hull moulding will be made...and the gelcoat will then be on the outside of the moulding.....sorry didn't point it out clearly enough. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 20, 2014, 10:17:58 AM
I laid up the first moulding inside the mould early this morning with just two complete layers of 300gm glass fibre chopped strand matting. I wanted this to be a light weight hull as I don't know how the two Voith VSp units are going to perform with such a long model.
I waited for the resin to start going off and then trimmed it up around the bulwark edges with a Stanley knife.

I here people commenting regularly about mis-shapened hulls and what has the manufacturer done with the moulding for it to get this way........I have included the last two photos to show that a perfectly straight hull can give a perfectly straight mould, only for the mould to "contract" when a moulding is laid into it and contorts during the curing process...........It's natural for the grp and resin to do this, and no fault of the moulder. this deformity will be taken out when putting the deck beams into the boat hull............simples.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: vnkiwi on January 20, 2014, 10:23:57 AM
But surly Neil, your mould should have a flange along that edge, which would prevent this?
I didn't notice the absent flange before.
 {:-{

sorta like this hull at top, from the mould at the bottom left
 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 20, 2014, 10:25:49 AM

Are you sure you meant  Surly.  or would you like it corrected to  Surely.  ?   :}


Ken



Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 20, 2014, 10:35:04 AM
Hi Kiwi............I know a lot of people put a flange around the tops of their bulwarks, but I have never done that myself.

Once the flange has been cut off the moulding it will contract when curing anyway, as it is a process of the curing,, and if one layer is laid up with a little more catylist than the previous layer, it becomes even more evident, so ( only my opinion I must say) I have always thought that adding a cutting flange for trimming was a waste of time and effort.

neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: vnkiwi on January 20, 2014, 10:42:56 AM
Kenny, Surely, I'm a surly grumpy old man, or they think so at work anyway.

Neil,
Just wondered, not seen that way before, but gives you a better edge to trim to. Always found the lip flange, gets in the way when trimming, so may try your way next time.

Not a lot of experience with Polyester, usually work in epoxy, which is a whole different ball game, as it don't shrink from the mould. Makes for some interesting extraction methods if one don't get the mould shape right.
The above mould and hull are polyester, but not made by myself, just laidup from my plug.
 :-))

Thanks for your quick replies, time for me to hit the hay.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 20, 2014, 08:50:21 PM
what a great morning I had........three wedges at the bow end and the mould popped off the moulding like a boil on a teenagers face, lol.........washed off it looked just dandy, and the second mould was waxed release agent added and gelcoat applied before tea time......hopefully a second hull out by tomorrow evening.

and you can now see why they were called the "steaker class" from the shape of their hulls.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on January 20, 2014, 09:32:29 PM

Brilliant Neil! That hull looks amazing. :-)) :-))

The split mould really helps the process. I've struggled in the past to encourage a hull to come out a mould. <*<
Lots of effort and then at last a 'crack' and out it comes. Your method is much less stressfull!

Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 20, 2014, 10:09:17 PM
It is that Andrew......well worth the effort to make one in two halves, and it prolongs the life of a mould if you don't stress it out by heaving and shoving to get a moulding out of it. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on January 21, 2014, 01:09:15 AM
......."Lots of effort and then at last a 'crack' and out it comes".....  {-) ....goodness sounds like child birth...... O0.
Some 40 odd years ago whilst attending the birth of my first child.....the Doctor said......"you just stay up that end of the bed.......don't worry....   ;) if you feint we will just walk straight over you".....   <*<
Sorry Neil........couldn't resist.......Derek....... [proud father of 3 daughters]
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 21, 2014, 01:33:49 PM
Now I have a good mould, it's just like shelling peas, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on January 23, 2014, 02:33:22 PM
Hi Neil

Been tinkering with the computer to generate the graphics for Jupiter. Thought you'd like a look!

The dimensions of every letter can be adjusted as required. Placed on the plan the sizes of everything except the Gaelic translation of 'Jupiter' work well. Once I have a hull I can see if the Caledonian MacBrayne logo requires an upward bend or if the Hull shape will naturally carry the logo that way. Once I'm happy I'll send you a paper print out for you to check at your end before arranging the cutting of the lettering by my friend at work. The letter shapes will of course be cut from the correct colour vinyl, the letters have been created with a vector programme and are a 'road map' for the cutter to follow. The thruster warning disks on the hull can also be created this way, I just need to draw them!

Andrew
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Post by: Neil on January 23, 2014, 04:24:07 PM
She'd finished her homework Andrew so took the chance.................they look superb. Neil.

Beginning to see them on the water plying their trade......great stuff. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 24, 2014, 02:15:17 PM
Yesterday I dug out the bench saw to do some money saving..........cut some lengths of obeche into 12 x 12mm strips and 12 x 28mm strips for the deck supports..........the amount I cut probably saved me around 12 quid at the timber merchant........but must remember I am now getting older and my back takes the brunt.......had to spend the rest of the night in bead and half this morning because I pulled something in my back and now doped up on Co Codamol......was it worth it...........YES! I suppose.

I also marked out the position of the main car deck ready for the support beams.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on January 24, 2014, 09:36:43 PM
Neil,
 
Shock horror is that an American Dewalt  :o :o :o {-) {-) {-)
 
Thats why your back is out. O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 24, 2014, 09:41:45 PM
is that matey.........a good one too......cost me 200 bucks second hand from a guy who used it once to cut some floor boards...........it's have been cheaper for him to buy a jig saw {-) {-) {-)
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Post by: Rottweiler on January 25, 2014, 12:51:58 AM
You're making progress Neil,and its looking good. Just thought I would add "Tidy Mind = Tidy workplace.
You must have an x rated mind my friend! O0 O0 {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) %% %%
Mick F
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Post by: Neil on January 25, 2014, 09:50:15 AM
I resemble that!!!!!!!!!!!! %% %% %% %% %%
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 25, 2014, 10:56:11 AM
started on the main ladder frame for the car deck last night and cut to length the two main side supports and the cross members, and then ran out of time.
the essential point of this is to get the thing square so that all the bulkheads and cabins will line up eventuallu............so I used the age old cabinet makers method ( taught to me by my granddad who was a master cabinet maker and pattern maker) and that is if a simple method of diagonal cross sticks......measure from one corner to diagonal corner and make a mark on the sticks. put the sticks in the opposite diagonals and if they are the same, the interior is square.....if not, you adjust the positioning of one side (in this case the beam support) by half the length that it was out by.......... and then re measure........ and readjust if further needed until both diagonals are the same. then mark the spots where the timbers go and glue....I used 2 part epoxy for this.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 25, 2014, 12:40:40 PM
more deck beams have been added and a plate fore and stern for support....the for'd deck will be higher than the position shown but the main deck will run straight through to the bow to give rigidity to the hull...I don't like flimsy models..need to be chunky for when this clumbsy old sod drops them, lol

Now the big question .........as toy can see, the Voiths have been put into position...the bow one will be fine when the thing is sunk into the hull, but the stern one is going to cause problems in that the motor in present position will come above deck line............does anyone know where you can buy much longer toothed belts for the Voiths so that I can re position and invert the motor to fit under the deck, please.

cheers, neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: hama on January 25, 2014, 04:49:55 PM
This build is SO interesting, really  enjoy it! Can you build a gearbox where The motor is and have a shaft to the motor?
All the best!
Hama
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 25, 2014, 04:51:41 PM
not that technically minded Hamma, but I am going to give this all some thought once I have the Voiths sat in correct position. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: slinger on January 25, 2014, 04:57:34 PM
Neil, have a look at MFA/comodrills, they seem to have quite a selection of toothed gear belts? Graham
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 25, 2014, 05:19:11 PM
Neil, have a look at MFA/comodrills, they seem to have quite a selection of toothed gear belts? Graham

thanks graham........will do...........have bought off them for my Clyde lifeboat for belt drive on the motors and forgot about them.................they gave excellent service too, if I remember.

neil
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on January 26, 2014, 12:02:40 AM
Hi Neil
 
Just leaving the office after a very long day..... Celtic Connections concert at the Hydro venue in Glasgow.
 
Had a quick scan of your progress today, looking good!
 
I have a link to a potential longer replacement belt. I'll post it when I have a chance tomorrow. I always new the stern Voith would be an issue and thought the answer would be to move the motor away from the propeller and invert it to lower the height. The forward Voith is well safe as the car deck only goes just forward of Mid ships with only accomodation forward. The foredeck giving tons of headroom above the unit.
 
I'll post the link tomorrow.
 
Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on January 26, 2014, 10:26:42 AM
Although it's already there, is it really necessary to "Sync" the motor to the drive unit? could the drive be replaced with round belts and pulleys?
 
  Regards   Ian.
 
  Alternatives :-  http://hpcgears.com/ (http://hpcgears.com/)
 
                       http://www.rpmechatronics.co.uk/shop/index.php (http://www.rpmechatronics.co.uk/shop/index.php)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: John W E on January 26, 2014, 10:38:13 AM
Hi Neil have a look hear for the belts
 
http://www.hpcgears.com/products/pulleys_belts.htm (http://www.hpcgears.com/products/pulleys_belts.htm)
aye
john
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Seaspray on January 26, 2014, 10:44:44 AM
Neil
John is right do try them as the Meteor is fitted with their pulleys and ribbed belt. See if you can speak to one of the technical guys as I did and he worked out what I needed and works a treat

Watching your build as I have a fibreglass hull build coming up, which I've never done 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 26, 2014, 11:02:37 AM
thanks for all your help guys....think Andrew and I will be very happy to look at these solutions. cheers, neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on January 26, 2014, 06:28:42 PM
As promised here is the link to add to those posted below. Thanks for all the interest guys.

http://www.ondrives.com/p/9036/630-2gt-6

The above link is as far as I can see is the same belt as used by the Voith units. The diameter of the belt in the link above (63cm) would move the motor 18cm away from it's current position mounted on the propeller. Not sure about gears as a solution as they may introduce noise into the equation where a toothed belt is near silent.

This extended belt solution has been done before in a ferry model that was featured in model boats in years past. It was a white double ended ferry with an amazing array of features including working hydraulic bow/stern visors lights etc. I have never managed to find out more on this model as the article stated that the Voith propellers had both had their motors relocated by changing the belt length. A similar restriction on height of the car deck was the problem there too.  If anyone remembers the model or knows the builder do get in touch. If memory serves The article was about two brothers and a second diving support model in the  process of being built?

Neil, I've printed the relevant Bridge sheets for you and will pop them in the post tomorrow.  I'd forgotten how much camber she has!

Andrew

ps
I'll also send the sheet of logos for you to see.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 26, 2014, 06:53:55 PM
thanks Andrew.........appreciate that......

been working feverishly today reinforcing the main car deck, and the upper deck, strategically putting cross members at the points where the superstructures will go. I have decided on my model to have a flush hatch at the stern for the read Voith access, plus possibly another near to the side ramps for the batteries, and the top wheel  superstructure will lift to give access to the bow Voith. I am doing this so that the lower part of the superstructure can be fixed in place and the join between the side of this and the bulwarks will be permanent.
although all supports were but jointed, the first two pics show the joint made for the first cross beam to fit into the side supports, and all other support members were held with thin 1.0mm pieces of ply, glued underneath to gith support to the butt joints.........it looks heath robinson but is quite strong when all decks are glued on. the final part of this ladder frame work will be to lay a gusset of polyester filler under the side beams to give both support and a watertight  seal between deck and bulwarks.........I'll do that tomorrow.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: wicker on January 26, 2014, 08:19:23 PM
Neil what do you fasten the wood to the grp with is it 2 psrt epoxy or araldite
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on January 26, 2014, 08:30:37 PM
Wasn't advocating using gears Andrew, if you look at the links Bluebird and I posted they supply more than just gears and in fact there is a section relating purely to timing belts and pulleys. We were using them in industry long before gropener used them for toys.
 
  Regards   Ian.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 26, 2014, 09:49:05 PM
Neil what do you fasten the wood to the grp with is it 2 psrt epoxy or araldite

two part epoxy Charlie......araldite always comes out too stringy and messy for me

neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on January 26, 2014, 09:56:26 PM
Hi Ian

Sorry, I was typing out loud so to speak! I had been looking at the links you both posted and at the range of 90 degree bevel gear housings as well as the timing belts wondering if they were an option to place the motor on it's side and still drive the belt.

There is of course no need to sync the units to the motor, however the teeth in the belt provide drive without being under undue tension.  I guess the design was to relieve stress on the motor bearing. The teeth on the propeller housing are an integral part of the moulding so a belt with that spec will be required.

Thanks for the links, a plan will unfold I'm sure. :-))

Regards

Andrew



Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on January 27, 2014, 01:27:46 PM
Another to consider and not as "Gratey" as straight gears is worm and wheel? Also, reason for mentioning round belt and pulleys is that by adding a couple of small diameter turn around pulleys, the drive motor axis can sit horizontally.
 
  Regards   Ian.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 27, 2014, 04:53:54 PM
sorry guys..........but  the whole of the Voith unit would have to be de constructed and rebuilt for use with geared drive........something I am certainly not even contemplating. neil
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 27, 2014, 08:42:07 PM
I have just about finished the support beams for the two decks, and have been putting in beams to support the combing for the top wheelhouse and bridge today. I also constructed the wheel house out of 6mm mdf and obeche front. then tilting the table on my band saw I cut the rounded shape of the front of the wheelhouse. eventually it will be clad with cartridge paper to highlight the positions of the window and door recesses, and then moulded in GRP.

it is positioned in the photos just about where it is on the model
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on January 28, 2014, 11:36:09 AM
Just seen "Bauer s" ad for the Voith Neil. With the new tech. drive motor it looks shallower and with a new motor mounting bracket, longer belt and a "Pancake" motor the height could be reduced but the sticky up control bits in the centre of the unit are still a problem.
 
  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 28, 2014, 01:16:11 PM
thanks Ian.....think I have it sussed now........been onto the links and found a belt, and am just starting to seat the holder ring for the VSPu and it will give me head room for the UJ on the top and allow me to invert the motor and fix to a bracket.

started that process this morning. thanks all for your help
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 28, 2014, 09:23:48 PM
I have been procrastinating for too long now on getting the VSPu's set into the hull, and so decided to do so today, starting with the stern unit........also it will give me a better idea of what I have to do motor wise for the unit.

started by marking out the circle to be cut from the grp mould, and drilled the perimeter of the hole with a 2mm bit...........and then using the side of the drill bit as a router I joined the holes and made a bigger hole.

Once this was done I fit the locating ring for the unit, and it fit where it touched.........so out came the dentists  reamers and I cut the grp back for the ring to fit in properly.
They will be set in with polyester filler tomorrow.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 28, 2014, 09:40:07 PM
same was done to the bow unit, and then it was time to get out the motors.........the nearest I can find in my stock of motors is a little torpedo 300 12volt which under no load turns around 3000 rpm at 12v........just wondering if it will be beefy enough to turn the Voith, or whether it might be down the road of a brushless which is a lot squatter.........the units don't need a great deal of revs and don't work on a speed controller....they run at a constant speed, it's the pitch of the blades that gives the speed and direction in the end, so both motors working on micro on/of switches will be order of the day. the torpedo's are pictured with the 540 that came with the unit.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on January 28, 2014, 10:27:26 PM
Hi Neil

Great to see the business end of the Voith units now protruding from the hull. Brilliant!

The headroom for the rear unit looks good from what I can see in the pictures. Very neat chain drilling Neil. :-))

The Bridge unit is looking great too, would never have thought of your method of cutting the sweeping angle required.

Looking forward to the next stages of your build.

Regards

Andrew
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Post by: Neil on January 28, 2014, 10:43:26 PM
 :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on January 29, 2014, 02:44:21 AM
 :o..       .'so out came the dentists  reamers and I cut back for the ring to fit in properly'

Goodness  :o.....looking good Neil......but about all I can say I a bl##dy glad you are not my dentist......... {-) ......Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 29, 2014, 07:48:19 AM
:o..       .'so out came the dentists  reamers and I cut back for the ring to fit in properly'

Goodness  :o.....looking good Neil......but about all I can say I a bl##dy glad you are not my dentist......... {-) ......Derek

wish I earned their money matey {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: gingyer on January 29, 2014, 10:04:04 AM
Neil,
the rear voith motor can you not look to see is you can rotate the unit slightly and position the motor so that
when it sits above the deck it just so happens someone has parked a vehicle there  :-))

Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 29, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
That is the other possibility as a last straw Gingyer................don't really want to do that but it might come to an Eddie Stobart truck having a false bottom in the trailer or tractor  unit, lol  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: John W E on January 29, 2014, 10:52:06 AM
hi ya Neil
 
here's a thought for ya and a possibility and you may have already thought of it; is there enough room for you to suspend the motor underneath the motor mount and use spaces between the motor mount and the face of the motor to give you the distance that you require to allow you to get the belt in - and around the main drive.  Or is there not enough room between the bottom of the boat and the motor mount?
 
The other alternative could you laminate another bulk head in next to the unit and mount the motor on that? with some form of tensioning for the belt.
 
aye
 
John
 
 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 29, 2014, 08:26:43 PM
I'll have a look at that john, as I can make the spacers from plasticard, but in the meantime Ondrives have been looking for me and have  some of the longer ones in stock or delivery in 6 - 8 weeks which isn't bad as the voiths will be the last things to go in anyway.

Today have been making card templates for the decks and have transferred them onto 1.5mm ply for the car deck and foc'sle deck and 2mm for the flying bridge upper deck.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 30, 2014, 10:17:03 AM
Now, it's beginning to look like a ship.......all three decks have been added and are in the relative correct positions so I can get a "feel" for the model and how to progress...........next job will be to cut out the access holes for the interior gear and workings......watch this space, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: inertia on January 30, 2014, 11:08:11 AM
Neil
PM sent ref Voith operation.
DM
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 30, 2014, 12:01:20 PM
and received Dave.....many thanks for the input and info..........will be back to you in the near future. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 30, 2014, 06:44:27 PM
spent an hour or so making an adjustable bracket to invert the motor ( sadly the moulded plastic one wouldn't allow the motor drive sprocket to sit low enough to line the belt up with the main drive sprocket on the Voith..............

the bracket works fine, but sadly the motor still won't sit into the hull.........now it's too b****y low and would need a hole cutting out of the bottom of the hull................errr.......not a great idea or success, lol................so the only other thing is to spend some money on a longer belt. and mount the motor independently of the unit.........see what throws out tomorrow when I phone the manufacturers of the belt that's supplied with the Voith unit. the whole thing actually sits straight and the belt runs true ( had it under motor power in the workshop) but it is all loose at the moment and looks a bit heath robinson to tell the truth
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on January 30, 2014, 07:32:14 PM
Ya need someone with a lathe Neil. The drive line on the main pulley needs lifting.
 
  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 30, 2014, 09:15:39 PM
nah mate......just need longer beltz..........can't be that hard to find..........going to contact the manufacturer of the original belts tomorrow as I have look on their web site and they do do longer ones.
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: John W E on January 30, 2014, 09:20:50 PM
Hi Neil
Can the main pulley be turned over to give you that bit extgra height?  Or, is it fastened to the brass insert?  I have just had a look to see if I could find an enlarged diagram of the makeup of these things and I didnt realise you were redesigning £150 approx. of stuff. yeeee gads my man :-)
 
Garn canny.
 
aye
 
John
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 30, 2014, 09:30:37 PM
no John........it's quite a complex bit of engineering from what I can see, and all moulded into the being of the machine......have just emailed America, where the parent company lives asking for help with longer ones, and explained what they were for.............so hopefully if they can supply that will be the easy option. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on January 31, 2014, 01:11:27 PM
Pity, that during design, with a bit of forethought, the pulley could have been molded at the top of the central boss and the now underhung motor would have been clear of the hull. The highest point would still have been the operating gear, and yes, I know Neil has replaced the motor, but so have the new manufacturers but it still suffers from the same problem.
 
   It is possible to mod the existing but would require a lathe.
 
 
    Regards   Ian.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 31, 2014, 02:29:09 PM
It is possible to mod the existing but would require a lathe.
 Regards   Ian.

beyond my capabilities Ian..much easier to find a new belt.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Stavros on January 31, 2014, 06:20:27 PM
Neil try SHG for longer belts
 
Dave
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 31, 2014, 08:14:30 PM
Been on the phone this afternoon to Denver Colorado, and to the manufacturing company Gates..the very very helpful guy called Tony in their Technical sales told me of all the replacement belts for that series, including pitch and size of teeth and gave me the European sales managers phone no. and email address for him. Emailed him with all my requirements but realised that with time diffs in the Netherlands where he is based, even if he was in his office was around 16.00 hours so might have to wait until next week for a reply........but Tony in Denver told me that they make the belts in increments up to 800mm long, so am on the right track with that. thanks stav.........but they are just such a specialist belt that I thought I may as well go to the top of the tree first instead of starting off on the lower branches.

cheers, neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: irishcarguy on January 31, 2014, 08:25:17 PM
Hi Neil long time no chat. I hope things are good with you, I just struggle along as best I can, I have just changed doctors & am seeing some improvement already.I have been following your build & must say it looks very good. On that note if you send me a drawing of what you need made with all the dimensions I will give it a shot at making it for you, I have got much better at using the lathe & milling machine. Don't forget the offer of a holiday is there for you any time you & the girls want to take it. If you send me your phone # I will give you a call & we can have a chat(my nickle). Cheers for now, Mick.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on January 31, 2014, 08:32:02 PM
Skype and dropbox are your friends.
 
  Regards   Ian.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: ray123 on January 31, 2014, 09:06:16 PM
hi neil  here is a couple of photos of the new brushless voith units from bauer ''germany''  as you can see there a lot smaller than the 500e/600 motor   hope you find your belt! regards ray
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 31, 2014, 09:39:53 PM
hi neil  here is a couple of photos of the new brushless voith units from bauer ''germany''  as you can see there a lot smaller than the 500e/600 motor   hope you find your belt! regards ray

they are very neat Ray , but sadly still wouldn't rectify the problem that I have with inverting the motor to fit under the deck..........think the longer belts are the only thing that are going to help me sadly, but thanks for the info and help, from you all out there............I really appreciate all help...........will just have to wait for this gent mr Deboeck to get back to me.
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 31, 2014, 09:42:52 PM
Hi Neil long time no chat. I hope things are good with you, I just struggle along as best I can, I have just changed doctors & am seeing some improvement already.I have been following your build & must say it looks very good. On that note if you send me a drawing of what you need made with all the dimensions I will give it a shot at making it for you, I have got much better at using the lathe & milling machine. Don't forget the offer of a holiday is there for you any time you & the girls want to take it. If you send me your phone # I will give you a call & we can have a chat(my nickle). Cheers for now, Mick.

great to hear from you Mick.........it costs me nowt to call you.....all international calls are free with my package so send me your phone no. and I'll ring you later tomorrow.......it's my daughters birthday tomozz so will be tied up most of day but will phone evening our time if you around.....

tell you the truth, I don't think I need anything making though so long as I can get hold of the longer belts, that I now know are manufactured. cheers, neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on January 31, 2014, 11:31:05 PM
Hi Neil

Have dropped you an email. Just spotted your post.

Many Happy Returns to the Birthday girl for her big day tomorrow! Hope you have a great day and indulge in lots of Birthday cake!  :-)) :-)) :-))

Very best wishes to you all.  O0

Regards

Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 01, 2014, 12:02:04 AM
thanks Andrew........will pass on your best wishes to her.
cheers, neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 01, 2014, 09:38:57 PM
Well, I am known for telling my builds warts and all, and here's a great big wart..........a real cockup on a major scale...........but am not changing it  now as have gone too far.

but first, the progress......put my fillet of polyester filler under the side support beams to give water tight integrity and support for the decks on a colossal scale......they won't budge without help from a nuke..........and here goes the problem..........I knew that there is quite a camber on the deck cross sectional wise, but in my haste to press on for my daughter who wants to take it, at least partially finished up to Scotland on our holidays this august, I have made the big mistake of not reading the plans properly, and have put the position of the side longitudinal supports at the height of the top of the camber.....6mm too high........it will make a little difference to the general look of the model, but to take it all out would mean a total rebuild and am not going to do that...............so am going to leave the main car deck without a camber, and trust to hope that fellow modellers can live with it, as I and my daughter can.......but I haven't told her anyway. to put a camber beam on top of the existing beams would change the whole aesthetic look  of the model with spaces between the car deck  boat deck and bridge top all totally wrong.......

I also cut out the areas which are going to be made into flush hatches for access to the boat's internals and started adding the parts needed to make those flush decks water tight.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on February 01, 2014, 11:09:36 PM
Hullo Ray......I searched the WEB for ...."brushless voith units from bauer 'germany'' ...however a ZERO result  >>:-(............... just whenever convenient could you please post a link to the Bauer location...............Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on February 02, 2014, 01:06:43 AM
Hi Derek

Just spotted your post. Link to the page requested below.

 http://www.bauer-modelle.de/modules/wsShop/article.php?article_id=401275&location_id=152

Hope this helps. :-))

Regards

Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on February 02, 2014, 01:33:26 AM
Thanks Andrew........when I translate the paragraphs........[the whole page freezes in translate]  >>:-( .....there are many references to Bauer having access to the original Graupner design & documentation etc....which would be reassuring for intending purchasers.....Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on February 02, 2014, 01:54:32 AM
Hi Derek

Yes, they seem to have acquired the plans and production rights. They have also teamed up with L&B who manufactured the units for Graupner in the first place. All very good news. :-))

Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: hmsantrim on February 02, 2014, 03:09:10 AM
 Hi Derek.
 page translation for ya  used google translation tool
 url for tool if you want...https://translate.google.co.uk/ (https://translate.google.co.uk/)
 Frank.
   
Voith Schneider Propeller with BL motor. The VSP was revised at Bauer models. - Newly developed, tailored to the performance of the VSP brushless motor. 2Stück 2RS bearing (stainless).
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Voith Schneider propellers with brushless motor
• The injection molds of Graupner VSP 2358 were taken over by the manufacturer L & B through us.
• Furthermore, all remaining VSP's were taken.
• Since we have all manufacturing documents and material lists, the VSP's will continue to be built in high quality.
• The packaging has been changed
• The Voith Schneider propeller can only be obtained from us.
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   The VSP was revised at Bauer models.
  It is a newly developed, tailored to the performance of the VSP brushless motor used.
  There new 2RS bearing (stainless) are used. The bearings are sealed for.
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scope of delivery:
- 1 Voith Schneider drive with brushless motor
 - 1 Einklebering
  - 6 stainless steel screws
  - 2 aluminum ball joints
  - 2 threaded rods
  - 2 clevises
  - Sealant
  - Instructions in German
  The item is in stock   The drive is also available as a complete set with controllerspare Parts
- wings
- Retaining Rings - Timing belt
description

Scale model wing propeller drive for driving and controlling of ship models.
◦ The change in speed is at a constant engine speed, only by changing the angle of attack of the wings.
◦ Due to the thrust control the direction of travel can be changed through 360 ° at constant motor rotation direction.
◦ the generation of thrust and the thrust direction change is made solely by the adjustment of the propeller blades.
◦ It is necessary for the engine only a pure forward speed control. ◦ All features correspond to the model-VSP
uptime
The results in us operating time of the VSPs and the servos are at present about 500 hours without failure or inaccuracy in the provision. We found no signs of wear at controls of the disassembled VSP's.
We use the ring limiter of Graupner HoTT mc-systems.
lubrication
this material is water lubricated. Do not use lubricant on the plastics.
With our VSP's the space between the bearings with lithium-soap-based grease is sealed.
It is water safe and smooth running and is not dissolved by water.
Only use lithium grease lubrication possibly. Do not use mineral oil or silicone lubricants. This leads to the destruction of the plastic.
The speed of the VSP measured at the impeller should be about 650-700U/min. Make your remote control the engine speed to max. To 9000 rpm. Avoid prolonged dry running!
Specifications:
Drive motor: G-Power 281575
Operating voltage VSP: 12V (6-12 V)
Number of blades: 5 pcs
Wing length: 50 mm
Wing Circle Ø: 65 mm
Overall height (m. engine): 130 mm
Einbbauhöhe in the fuselage Einklebering: 80 mm
Required opening in hull: 84 mm
Weight (m. motor) (with Einklebering): 355g
A current at idle: 0.44 A
A current at full load: 1.01 A
Recommended controller VSP CONTROL.  The drive is also available as a complete set with controller
 
If you have problems in setting your VSP in the model or other problems with the VSP's have you may contact Bauer models
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 We have used in our Velox / TENAX test models, the low-cost Servo DES 657 BB, Graupner Best.Nr 7935. As with every revolution, the leaves are continually adjusted and the servo is thus constantly in the thrust and traction, please only use higher quality ball-bearing servos with carbonite or metal gears.
The VSP is a energieegffizienter, robust low-speed. To achieve the lowest possible noise, a toothed belt is used for the translation.
  For easy installation in the model, the supplied mounting ring is glued in the hull, in this can the VSP tighten slightly. Due to the positioning of the main shaft in two 2RS ball bearings, the VSP is largely waterproof. All other highly stressed parts are made ​​of metal or high quality stock plastics. Thus, in the corresponding maintenance for a long service life. The wings can be exchanged at a possible damage.
 For controlling 2 servos are required.
 The control lever is pivoted by two attached metal ball heads M2, which are screwed to the control lever.
 
 
 

 
 

 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Shipmate60 on February 02, 2014, 09:57:37 AM
Neil,
Would an MFA 90 degree gearbox help?


http://www.mfacomodrills.com/gearboxes/bevel_gearbox.html


Bob
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 02, 2014, 01:53:06 PM
that certainly looks an interesting bit of kit Bob.............just depends on the output shaft diameter, as to whether the sprocket on the motor supplied would fit onto it. cheers, neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on February 02, 2014, 09:29:37 PM
Have asked Umi to post a photo she  included on the American forum that shows a stripped down unit, food for thought.
 
  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 02, 2014, 09:31:56 PM
argghhh........frightening.............don't wanna look. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 02, 2014, 09:38:22 PM
been wondering how to do the main cabin area for a while, and so took the plung to fabricate it in wood in rough form so that I could play around with it for ideas..........have decided I an going to mould it in GRP which will hopefully be the easiest way of constructing the  superstructure. I fabricated it from obeche and ply.

I also added more to the hatch structure.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: cos918 on February 02, 2014, 10:13:15 PM
Hello
i have been watching this build from the start. i real like the way you have shown a step by step process on making and molding a hull. You have answer a lot of questions I had on the molding process. You build is looking great.

john
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 02, 2014, 10:49:33 PM
thanks John.....always happy to help. O0 :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on February 03, 2014, 07:45:27 AM
Circlip suggested that this photo of a disassembled drive might be
useful to those needing to see some of the workings.

 :-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 03, 2014, 07:49:41 AM
OH my Gawd, Umi.........that's frightening..................don't let me look again, %% %% %% %% {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: vnkiwi on February 03, 2014, 07:57:24 AM
Brilliantly simple piece of engineering.
Damn I bet that took some time to work out and reduce to that simple.
Thanks Umi, Circlip and Neil.
cheers
 :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: inertia on February 03, 2014, 08:48:30 AM
that certainly looks an interesting bit of kit Bob.............just depends on the output shaft diameter, as to whether the sprocket on the motor supplied would fit onto it. cheers, neil.
5mm. There's a fully-dimensioned drawing on MFA's website.
DM
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on February 03, 2014, 11:52:54 AM
Thanks Umi, much appreciated.
 
  Regards Ian.
 
  And yes, Bauer could have modified it quite easily.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 03, 2014, 02:06:40 PM
5mm. There's a fully-dimensioned drawing on MFA's website.
DM

to big therefore for to allow a drill out of the centre of the existing sprocket on the motor supplied.....they are about 3mm dia with very little metal left on the outside to drill.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Shipmate60 on February 03, 2014, 02:53:05 PM
So fit a reducer on one end.
It only drives the belt and if mounted as a complete unit with the motor could incorporate an adjustment.


Bob
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 03, 2014, 04:54:33 PM
I'll bare it in mind Bob.................just hoping that I can get hold of the belts I need first.....would save a whole heap of trouble..........but been busy today on other matters so haven't done much today at all, modelling wise.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 03, 2014, 09:39:38 PM
Been dabbling tonight with the main superstructure.............I constructed the sides and front plus pinned and glued the deck in place so that the sides of the superstructure faced up to the existing sides of the hull. I then layered masking tape to all the areas where filler would touch up to and filled in.........now the superstructure needs sanding down to take shape to a finished line.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 05, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
It's looking a little better now that it has been trimmed down, sanded and final small amounts of filler have been added...........soon I'll be able to clad it with card to add detail of windows etc ready for moulding in grp.......it now also fits to the existing bulwarks which will make it easier to join to the hull without much of a problem.

it's also nice to get out some good old fashioned tools like a chisel and mallet to trim some timber down to level.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on February 05, 2014, 09:10:40 PM
Hullo Neil.....that mallet is certainly not of common design  :o........in the dim dark past I can visualize an upholstery mallet being of similar bottle shaped construction...... :embarrassed:

Any ideas on its origin?.............Derek

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=wooden+mallet&biw=1920&bih=932&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=QqfyUoMXiruRBa-QgPAD&sqi=2&ved=0CFEQsAQ
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 05, 2014, 09:27:33 PM
it was given to me many years ago by an old wood carver/sculpture.....so I presume it had origins in that sphere, matey.........it's a very (dare I use the now common phrase which half the users don't have a clue as to what it means) Tactile implement and far better and nicer to use than a normal mallet.
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on February 05, 2014, 11:04:06 PM
 
It is also far easier to use than the 'conventional' mallet, as no matter how you pick it up it is ready for use :-)) :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 05, 2014, 11:17:09 PM
exactly matey. :-)) :-))
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on February 05, 2014, 11:18:16 PM
Ä little copied text......"Summary:Mallet used by Eva Schubert, circa 1996, to carve and sculpt wood in her studio in Nunawading. This mallet was a favourite tool of Eva's in her wood sculpting work as is evidenced by the amount of wear on the tool. She used it to chisel away wood in the carving process"

Description: Wooden mallet with turned handle and cylindrical head. Head worn with use to an inward curve. Head worn away quite significantly through use Mallet is of a dark timber, darken and polished handle from use. No manufacture labels or marks'
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 06, 2014, 12:33:41 PM
well, finally tracked down those elusive longer belts to re position the motors for the Voith Schnieder units, via a US and European lead, and the company that is supplying them is http://www.brammer.co.uk/ (http://www.brammer.co.uk/)
the can supply me with belts 430mm (longer by 142 mm) immediately which I have now ordered .....have ordered one for you Andrew if you want it, (if not will keep it as a spare)

they also do longer lengths but have a 6 - 8 week wait..................just wanted to get the job rolling.
so all is well gives me an extra 3" length so I can re position the motor well away from the unit.
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on February 06, 2014, 03:27:04 PM
Hi Neil
 
Well done on tracking down the belts! A bit of detective work by the sound of it! Thanks for ordering a second one too. :-))
 
Just having a quick look at the build before heading off on my travels. Spent the morning packing the camera kit for flight, not a favourite job.
 
You're making great progress, I'll keep looking in while I'm away, Wi-Fi depending....... <*<
 
Regards
 
Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 06, 2014, 04:37:19 PM
Have a great trip Andrew.........anywhere near Soursk in Russia, if so you could say hello to someone for me   ???

neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on February 06, 2014, 04:51:22 PM
Hi Neil
 
Sadly nowhere near my destinations of Belgrade and Budapest. Heading for airport now.....
 
Regards
 
Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 06, 2014, 04:52:45 PM
c'est la vie.
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 07, 2014, 01:56:51 PM
the main superstructure has now been filled and sanded to my satisfaction and have started building up the upper wheelhouse ready for moulding. the top part of it which has been added since the other photos were taken is purely the wind break on the top of the wheel house, but I thought it easier to make this as one with the grp mould and then just add a top deck of ply, than to get a thin plastic( or Ply) wind break made to contour to all the curves and shapes.

this will all be sanded, filled, sanded again and then clad in card to pick out the windows and door ways before moulding.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on February 07, 2014, 09:20:11 PM
Hi From Serbia!

Just looking in quickly at the end of a very long day. Looking really good Neil. Unmistakeable profile of Jupiter with the wheelhouse mounted. Brilliant! :-))

Havn't had much chance to eat today so off for some 'nosebag' now!  {-)
 Will be watching progress.

Regards

Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 07, 2014, 10:13:53 PM
cheers Andrew..........I think this was the best way of doing the superstructures o that it would be an easy build.

have a great trip in Serbia. Neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 08, 2014, 08:44:18 PM
marked out the positions for the windows and doors for the superstructure..the relief positions of these will now be glued on in card before sanding sealer is added and then waxed up and moulded in grp. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 09, 2014, 10:52:41 PM
the cabins have been marked with card to highlight the positions of the windows and doors for the ship now and tomorrow will be sealed with cellulose sanding sealer and then polished up ready for moulding in grp.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 11, 2014, 12:57:09 AM
did a bit of actual modelling last night rather than just slogging away preparing plugs....made the wondows for the superstructure ready for moulding........once the mouldings come out of the rubber moulds, the centres which are at present blanked off will be  cut out to leave the frames nicely reliefed....all made from plasticard
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 11, 2014, 02:34:13 PM
and todayYippeee..my replacement belts for re positioning the Voith Schnieder motors came........plenty long enough to put the motor virtually anywhere in the hull. lol....just the job.......perseverance paid off in the end.
thanks all for your comments on that one. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 13, 2014, 05:34:31 PM
well, sadly after paying 40 quid for three belts....................the motor I had in line for powering the Voith has absolutely no power or torque......so left with three long belts, no motor to power them and fed up to the teeth..........bah humbug... >:-o >:-o >:-o >:-o >:-o >:-o
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on February 14, 2014, 10:57:55 AM
Hi Neil,

Just started the journey home. Managed to get onto the WiFi at Budapest airport. Been a good trip, very tired now though. Longest day was 14 hours the rest around 11hours. Looking forward to a weeks leave once I'm home.

That's disappointing that the motors are not powerful enough. With the longer belt added would the origional motor work? The plug for the wheelhouse looks great. Looking forward to seeing the resulting moulds. Once I'm home and rested I'll give you a call. Trust this finds you well.

Regards

Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: ooyah/2 on February 14, 2014, 05:37:14 PM
well, sadly after paying 40 quid for three belts....................the motor I had in line for powering the Voith has absolutely no power or torque......so left with three long belts, no motor to power them and fed up to the teeth..........bah humbug... >:-o >:-o >:-o >:-o >:-o >:-o

Neil   P.M. sent.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 15, 2014, 08:12:06 PM
eureka......have found a small motor with bags of torque.........so have soldered  a tube onto the output shaft to take the larger inner diameter of the sprocket for the belt............and will then organise a mounting block to fix the motor too. I have aklso soldered new leads onto the motor and covered them with epoxy to set in place, so that the wires wont fall off.......epoxy is a good insulator for such things.

also have made the flanges for the superstructures, fitted those to the superstructures, filled with plastecine and they are now ready for making moulds ..........ahhh, back to the fibreglassing......things are getting nearer.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 20, 2014, 05:13:56 PM
not done anything since my last post as the kids are on half term hols......but I did buy these little chaps and chapesses off ebay the other day.cost me 11 quid for just over 100 resin figures needing painting......and at approx. 1:48th scale will fit admirably onto Jupiter and bring it alive..........hey ho..........a painting I will go, lol.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: warspite on February 20, 2014, 05:23:29 PM
Looks like an orgy  {-)  - woops gonna get sensored now
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 20, 2014, 05:41:54 PM
 {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Netleyned on February 20, 2014, 05:53:11 PM
They look good Neil.
Are they going to have names
like a certain Tyne ferry passengers?

Ned
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: slinger on February 20, 2014, 07:51:47 PM
Well done Neil,
I had an nearly bid for them as a friend wanted some figures for his model of SS Nanking? I forgot the time when they were due to finish.  Glad I didn't end bidding against you :-))
Graham
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 20, 2014, 08:16:55 PM
that would have been embarrassing, Grahem.....I plan to put one of each into a mould eventually, nudge nudge wink wink, lol O0 O0
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: slinger on February 20, 2014, 08:29:06 PM
Scale them up a bit then we could use them as survivor's for the 45' Watsons :-))
Graham
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 20, 2014, 08:36:14 PM
Scale them up a bit then we could use them as survivor's for the 45' Watsons :-))
Graham

now where could I get one of these 3d printers, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on February 20, 2014, 11:32:18 PM
 
I think you can buy them  %) %) %) %) :o :o :o
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 20, 2014, 11:38:49 PM

I think you can buy them  %) %) %) %) :o :o :o



hate to think of the price, raaarty........would need another mortgage I think, lol.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 02, 2014, 06:49:56 PM
needed a break from all the hassle of the rear motor.......and still not solved but had a little bit of a spurt today and so have just laid up the gelcoat on the first side of the two superstructures..........get the matting laid up tomorrow, or maybe a first layer even tonight, see how it goes...neil
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on March 02, 2014, 10:31:58 PM
Hi Neil

Sorry I've not had a chance to catch up. I'm in the middle of the next series of Eggheads at the moment. I don't 'bob up for air' until next Sunday when I have a weeks leave booked. :}

Trust you're all well. I'll keep looking in when I can to see your progress this week.

Regards

Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 02, 2014, 10:58:37 PM
Hi Andrew,.....first bit of the boat I've done in two weeks, and sadly I'm coming to the conclusion that the 40 quid for the longer belts is a waste of money as the much smaller motors needed to fit under the deck don't have anywhere near the torque or revs needed to spin the voiths...............so it's looking like I am going to have to disguise the motor supplied above deck.....probably inside the body of something like a truck or coach as deck cargo......bit of a pain but can see no solution........other than brushless and then that mean finding a brushless motor with exactly the same dia output shaft to take the sprocket, and also mix the electronics for two different motors on one boat............something else that I myself personally can't be bothered doing ( please no suggestions as to how I could, as am at the end of my patience, motor wise, and any more feed back will only confuse and cause more stress, which I cannot handle at the moment.
cheers, neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 03, 2014, 11:18:17 PM
got the first side of each superstructure laid up this morning and also the rubber moulds for the window frames..........so things moving on slowly.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 04, 2014, 04:30:55 PM
all moulds now ready and finished for waxing and taking moulds out of............problem is, half a roll of my matting has disappeared somewhere, so will have to go and by a couple of meters to make the cabins with...ceste la vie.
Title: A TALE OF WOE.
Post by: Neil on March 05, 2014, 01:47:02 PM
ACT IN HASTE, REPENT AT LEASURE.......

always wondered what my mother used to mean by that until I started model making at a very young age...........and today it came back to haunt me......

I Didn't spend enough time stippling the matting and resin together into the gelcoat on the superstructure moulds........to tell the truth, I made an 'bottom' of them, but rather than remake I cut out the air blisters that had formed between gel coat and matting and have filled those areas with some more liquid gelcoat resin............However before I picked out the blisters to reveal the hollows, and using a metal scribe to do this, I gave a coat of wax all over the mould......this is to stop the new gel coat from sticking to the old stuff and needing a good sanding off, instead of now being able to use my pencil sander just to cut down the new gel to the level of the walls of the existing mould....... all seems ok at the moment, as the gel is going off.......will sand down later today when it has cured........put in a little more catylist than normally used for the process to give it a "kick".

sadly there were some small, and some not so small blisters....................

Hate it when a plan doesn't come together. lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: cdsc123 on March 05, 2014, 04:39:56 PM
I am interested to know more about the gelcoat you using in the repaired areas. Does it contain a wax or other sealing agent to allow an air cure?
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 05, 2014, 04:52:17 PM
just the normal gelcoat that I use as the surface cover for all my moulds cdsc..it's very seldome that I have ever needed to repair a mould, but I rushed these through as I hadn't done anything for awhile, and mucked them up..........have used the gel before for repairs on small mouldings and works well, given a couple of days to cure at air temp in a warm garage.

neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 12, 2014, 01:33:30 PM
finally got round to laying up the two cabins today.........just laid up 1 layer of 1oz chopped strand matting around all the window areas and the tops, to give lightness to the top hamper of the boat and two layers around the bottom rims for a little strength around the combings.......sadly one layer bubbled after I had left it to go off, and so have cut the bubble, and put some resin/gelgoat mix in to fill it up before sanding off when cured..however..........did a stupid thing and tried top hasten the "going off" time by using a hot air gun.......took my eye off the process for a moment, and the thing caught fire, lol....quickly put it out but will have to wait to split it to see if I have damaged the mould...........hope not.............

lesson is.............DON'T TRY TO RUSH GLASS FIBRE WORK!!!!!!..........it'll go off in it's own sweet time, naturally........lesson learned. <*< <*< <*< <*< <*<
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 12, 2014, 10:14:16 PM
and the other part came out too..........will clean them up when I have made the three sets needed.second set in the moulds at the moment, and will get the 3rd set done tomorrow, and then get down to building the boat........hopefully.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 13, 2014, 05:07:58 PM
all mouldings finally finished, and now all the grp stuff and moulds can be put away ready for taking to Scotland and their new owner.

I can now start to actually build the model and sit at night making the fittings for casting..........this is what I call enjoyment, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on March 13, 2014, 10:37:04 PM
Hi Neil

Blimey you've been busy!  :}

The mouldings look fantastic, looking forward to seeing them when we are able to arrange it. :-))

Been tasked with painting the kitchen while off on 'holiday' this week.
Nearly finished, typing this between coats of emulsion.... {-)

Going back to work next week for a rest I think!

Regards

Andrew   
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 13, 2014, 10:40:12 PM
no rest for the wicked, matey, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 18, 2014, 10:56:29 AM
the final decision has been made and I am now not going back on my decision...............am reverting back to the original layout and fittings for the stern Voith Schneider unit.....the motor will protrude through the deck and I will be disguising it with something or other........up for debate and thoughts though......either a lorry, coach or a large packing crate on a bogey ( no not that type of bogey)..one with wheels, lol..........but before I started any alterations I fitted the retaining rings for the Voith Schneider units into the hull, using polyester filler to seat them and glue them in, making sure that they were level and that the Voiths, as per the real ship had a slight incline of each unit to either for or aft depending on which one it was.

But first I even had to make alterations to both fore and aft deck supports.......but the frame work was built like the proverbial s*** house anyway so the loss of a little won't be noticed.....used a saw and at the aft end my invaluable power file to shape around the motor unit.......and will eventually work out a hatch to waterproof this area and ability to put in a flush deck.(all good fun designing and trouble shooting as you go along........haven't a clue at times what to do........and good for the old brain matter to have to think on the run............

but the big question to all you Voith PU experts is.........the aft motor and Voith need me to put the servos and arms to the "joystick" at an angle of around 45 degrees to the right angle.as shown in the very last photo( the bow Voith is fine)..............will this angle of "attack" for the servo's make any difference to the way the transmitter unit operates the correct direction of the vpu.........or do I have to have the joy stick attached to the Vpu at the proper right angle setting.......makes it a whole lot easier if I can have it as shown in the last photo of this set.
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on March 18, 2014, 12:08:05 PM
Needs to be like 030 Nail or you'll get an offset drive. Consider the "Joystick" where the ball joints are fastened to.
 
  Regards   Ian.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 18, 2014, 02:11:29 PM
that's my initial thought ian.............but would it??...............I wonder more and more about it. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on March 18, 2014, 03:55:25 PM
The unit needs a "Reference" stationary point so with the motor mounted fore and aft and the joystick on the Voith unit vertical, it should keep the drive in "Neutral". From that position moving the position of the top of the joystick into another position should drive in that direction. Note I'm referring to Voith "Joystick", not the transmitter.
 
  If you couple it up with the servos as in 028, to achieve forward movement you have to drive both servos as opposed to just one, same for sideways movement. Could be that the vee tail mix function may work but why make life difficult when with a bit of extra effort you can make it b****y impossible?
 
   It'll give DM something to think about though.
 
  Regards   Ian.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 18, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
am going to redesign the hatch so that I can fit the servos in as per the bow Voith on a 030 configuration...that'll be far easier than panicking around when the model doesn't go the way I want it to, lol......meanwhile have made the little servo retaining boxwes from plasticard (3.mm thickness to give some beef to them ajnd they will be sat on blobs of filler to anchor them to the hull.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on March 18, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
Don't have this problem with a prop  %)
 
 
  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 18, 2014, 04:12:43 PM
damn right you don't ian, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on March 18, 2014, 08:02:02 PM
OR a LIFEBOAT !! O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 18, 2014, 08:37:37 PM
right there mate....think it's back to lifeboats after this one lol. O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Circlip on March 18, 2014, 10:23:53 PM
Nil illegitum Voith schniderundum.   :-))
 
  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 19, 2014, 04:40:54 PM
Nil illegitum Voith schniderundum.   :-))
 

on Ians perfect translation of the situation into latin that I was myself trying to put into words, I have indeed redesigned the aft car deck in order to fit the servos at 030 position to the Voith unit.....not pretty but this can all be disguised by vehicles on the deck and also made watertight in the end.......but just thought I'd put some photos of the redesign so far.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 20, 2014, 06:36:18 PM
and the first part of the watertight flush deck hatches have been made this afternoon. with the diagram self explanatory.

The parts attached to the actual hatch covers will be attached tomorrow.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 21, 2014, 11:25:45 AM
started with the midships hatch.......easier as a straight quadrilateral to mark out.............first marked the corners where the deck uprights are positioned within the hatch combing onto the hatch top, and then turned the top over and remarked it on the underside to get the exact positions of the combing drops which are attached to the hatch top ( are you all following me, lol)........

then I redrew the lines which the combing drops would take, cut pre slices 4mm ply and glues in place with 2 part epoxy.....hopefully this will now fit perfectly into the hole in the deck...............I said hopefully because it usually never does and slight trimming with a sander is needed.......but hey ho...........I am not a brain surgeon so can work to the nearest inch, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 21, 2014, 11:27:39 AM
and after slight adjustments the hatch now fits like a glove.

now onto the complicated one at the stern?????
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 22, 2014, 03:02:29 PM
the aft hatch has now been laid with the down drops that fit into the grooves made by the combings in the hull recess.....I laid this out on a flat surface and weighted it down with old batteries so that it wouldn't twist and warp when the glue was drying. and then the strips of ply were glued and held with clips until well cured ...it fits well first go but needs a little trimming to fit perfectly......will do that this evening whilst watching tv.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 27, 2014, 12:19:19 PM
have now sealed around the base plate for the Voith schnieder units to stop any chance of ingress of water around the units, and fitted the retaining boxes for the servos to operate the joysticks on the units.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 27, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
then it was a case of fitting the superstructures temporarily and also cutting the hole in the top of the wheel house so thet the upper deck can be fitted..........position as shown by the grp piece removed. to do this, I drilled around the area to be cut out, and then reamed out using the side of the drill bit.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on March 27, 2014, 03:58:52 PM
spent today drilling all the little holes for the windows, doors and access through the main superstructure to the for'ard Voith unit.

In hind sight I should have drilled and reamed out the windows before I cut the hole in the roof of the wheelhouse.....would have been less flexing whilst drilling the windows.....aw well, you live and learn.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on April 02, 2014, 02:22:00 PM
I have finally worked out where and how the cabins go on the lower car dack and the upper decks and so have  now been able to glue the main car deck down using clips and old batteries...............I used aliphatic wood to wood glue which is waterproof  and will be left to set until tonight. it looks more like a container ship at the moment than a car ferry, but all that weight will keep the deck from lifting. meanwhile I'll start measuring for the lower inner cabin....a lot will have to be done to the model, detailing wise before the next layer goes on so will be slow progress from now on.as quite a bit of the detailing goes under the shelter of the next deck and will be inaccessible once the next deck goes on.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on April 03, 2014, 07:23:25 PM
managed to get some marking out done today to seat the inner lower car deck cabins.
it's a methodical way when space is at a premium but with the use of 6"  & 9" steel rules plus trusty engineers squares plus a 12" rule, managed to find centres and then mark out the positions for the cabin and bulkhead.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on April 03, 2014, 07:26:51 PM
then it was down to cutting the bulkhead and small offset cabin out of 3mm ply and gluing in place with 2 part epoxy glue.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Tim B. on April 10, 2014, 02:20:26 AM
Grand effort here, I am following closely from afar ~
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on April 10, 2014, 09:19:13 AM
Cheers tim.work stopped now for ten days at least.off to ballycotton in county cork eire  for a week with my kids on saturday to see my beloved RNLB Mary Stanford which has just been rescued for  restoration.aand a few other sites.includind a visit to ballycotton lifeboat and station.sp enjpy yerselves on here without me getting up to my bolshey old grumpy self lol.  Neil
 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on April 25, 2014, 04:28:41 PM
finally got round to doing a bit of work on it....made the two engine room housings that the funnels sit on, glued them in place with 2 part epoxy and then cut out the main car deck ramp doors.

the blocks of wood inside the two housings are to locate brass tubes into which will allow eventually the removable quad mast to slide into when on the lake, but able to be dismasted for carrying in the car.

Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on April 25, 2014, 04:34:12 PM
cutting the sections out for the ramps was easy using a drill for the horizontal cut close to the deck and my trusty piercing saw for the verticals .
the last bit of cutting will be the rhomboidal cut outs of the bulwarks and upper casing..yet to be cut in template form first.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on April 25, 2014, 05:55:38 PM
beginning  to take shape nicely now Neil.Good to get you back on a build.
Hope you had no trouble with the Leprachauns while you were in Irish waters!    %% %% %%
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on April 25, 2014, 06:03:30 PM
Hope you had no trouble with the Leprachauns while you were in Irish waters!    %% %% %%
Mick F

cheers Mick.........on the contrary I have never meta a more wonderful group of friendly people in my life........we had a wonderful time. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: cjcj121 on April 30, 2014, 12:30:00 AM
Fantastic build have enjoyed following it ...
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on April 30, 2014, 04:21:42 PM
thank you Cj.....always encouraging  to know.

done a little more today.........

first cut as template for the side openings to the bulwarks and shelter decks where the passenger gates are for the gangways for foot sloggers..........

then it was a case of methodically and carefully marking these out as any mistakes would be a glaring mess.

also contrary to the plans, the two forward openings are the same size, same length and height where as the aft one is same length but of a lesser height than the other two.

the gates are all same width.

the rear ramp was also marked and all were cut out in my usual way of pilot holes and then reaming out using the side shank of the bit

I also marked up for the hull belting onto the hull, and cut the first layer from 1.5mm ply........this will be glued on tomorrow using 2 part epoxy.

all goes well, and hopefully once the first layer of belting is attached and set, a square stringer of obeche will be glued and pinned with brass pins to the wooden layer and then sanded to shape.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on April 30, 2014, 11:34:46 PM
Nice chuck key you have there Neil...... {-) .....Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on April 30, 2014, 11:41:07 PM
geeezzz  matey.....you got eyes like a dunni rat, lol............it's the only one I know exactly where it is, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on May 01, 2014, 12:27:55 AM
geeezzz  matey.....you got eyes like a dunni rat, lol............it's the only one I know exactly where it is, lol

Neil,
 Well done looks like you are learning from experience. %) %) %)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 01, 2014, 08:24:54 AM

Neil,
 Well done looks like you are learning from experience. %) %) %)

experience...............................ummmm...........taken a long time coming, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on June 18, 2014, 05:20:33 PM
I can't believe it's been 7 weeks since I did anything on my daughter's Jupiter..................and looking back at the last post didn't do much then either........'bout time I got cracking........

anyway today I have been putting the first layer of the hull protection belting onto the ship.........it was marked out weeks ago, so only had to drill between the marks to give the glue some key holes to adhere into and then glue on the pre cut strips with two part epoxy..the stern curve was facilitated by steaming the strip in a kettle and then bending whilst still moist and holding in place till it dried......then glued and held with masking tape.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on July 15, 2014, 07:10:38 PM
and another 4 weeks on and only managed to get some  protective belting onto the hull...........as Michael Gove says............I MUST DO BETTER,LOL
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Tim B. on July 18, 2014, 05:30:34 PM
This one's really coming along !
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on July 18, 2014, 07:44:25 PM
ever so slowly though Tim.........might get a quicker build once autumn winter comes.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: wicker on July 18, 2014, 09:31:39 PM
Come on Neil ready for the show in Blackpool
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on July 18, 2014, 09:36:26 PM
Come on Neil ready for the show in Blackpool

yuuuup.............probably the 2020 show, if it's still running, {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: wicker on July 18, 2014, 09:54:14 PM
something to look forward too

Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Seaspray on July 19, 2014, 07:57:02 AM
Hi Neil

See if you can beat my record of 12 years to build a model l.o.l
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: wicker on July 19, 2014, 08:25:26 AM
I know a lad thats been 27 years and the model is not finished yet--think he has lost interest

Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on July 20, 2014, 03:13:29 PM
"A sudden thought came too my head"..........so the old poem says ( of origin I cannot remember)

what to do with the aft motor for the aft Voith Schnieder Pu.............and then whilst walking around Fleetwood's Transport sunday I met upon a man who had a stall.......

Now you see it, Now you don't!!!

the rest is explained in photos.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on July 20, 2014, 03:15:20 PM
after all, the old ferry is taking some vehicles to a classic car rally  {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: wicker on July 20, 2014, 03:30:12 PM
That looks good --what scale is the ferry

Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on July 20, 2014, 03:33:43 PM
It works out at around 1:46 scale Charlie..........and the model truck is 1:50 so not far off........and I'll be using any vehicle I can get between 1:43 - 1:50 for cargo including an Eddie Stobart of some variation, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: wicker on July 20, 2014, 03:39:03 PM
I have 1-50 articulated lorries might just look one out for you

Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on July 20, 2014, 03:42:26 PM
thanks Charlie..........I appreciate that................will pay you at blackpool when I see you.

cheers, neil.
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Post by: wicker on July 20, 2014, 05:35:16 PM
Neil you will have to e-mail you address so I can post it down to you
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Post by: Neil on July 20, 2014, 06:22:55 PM
Charlie, that's very kind of you

cheers, neil.
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on July 20, 2014, 10:16:08 PM
Neil,
 
Nice that you have now introduced an Aussie flair to your model,  %) %)  no doubt influenced by your sojourn to our shores, O0 O0
Keep up the good work  :-)) :-))
 
 
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Post by: Neil on July 20, 2014, 11:36:00 PM
Neil,
 
Nice that you have now introduced an Aussie flair to your model,  %) %)  no doubt influenced by your sojourn to our shores, O0 O0
Keep up the good work  :-)) :-))

yep indeedy matey...........

would have bought one with Milo or vegemite on it, but couldn't find one {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Post by: Neil on July 23, 2014, 12:13:43 PM
I'm enjoying this bit.............taking me back to my childhood and expectancies of Christmas day when I was 11 - 12 yrs old.........and waiting for santa to come..................and before you lot rib me about the old man in a red coat............yes I do still believe in St Nich, the Loch ness monster, yeti, big foot UFO's and ghosts, %% %% {-) {-) {-) {-)

and I can now relive my youth by buying a load of dinky and corgi cars and trucks to put on my ferry as cargo...........a couple of trucks and a couple of old classics next..........on their way to a highland Cowel Games classic car rally.
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Post by: GAZOU on July 23, 2014, 01:29:40 PM
Neil has to knit a swimsuit for the swimmer of the wolkswagen
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Post by: Neil on July 23, 2014, 01:59:39 PM
nice bikini will do, lol {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Post by: derekwarner on July 23, 2014, 11:43:47 PM
No GAZOU  :o........that ferry is heading over to France where Neil has started a new club....called     "NNC"

You have probably guessed......"Neils Nudist Colony"....... {-) %% .....

Apart from that...the driver of the GREEN V-dub looks like a bloke >>:-( he would look a little strange in a bikini ........Derek
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Post by: hmsantrim on July 24, 2014, 01:01:40 PM
RE: Neil has to knit a swimsuit for the swimmer of the wolkswagen....wondered why these vessels were known as STREAKERS... {-)
 Frank
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on July 24, 2014, 08:45:36 PM
 
 :o :o :o :o
 
Whew, thanks for the explanation.
 
Thought the mods had let some 'explicit' content slip through, but it is only the modeller being accurate and faithful to the original.  O0 O0 O0
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Post by: hmsantrim on July 24, 2014, 10:18:01 PM
RE: only the modeller being accurate and faithful to the original... all he needs now are some seagulls for the "Poop deck"... {-)
 Frank
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Post by: Neil on July 24, 2014, 10:29:06 PM
you lot get worse. {-) {-)
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Post by: Neil on August 10, 2014, 07:57:36 PM
the car deck is filling up especially with my favourite cars, especially a reminder of my own early classic cars.............just got to get hold of a triumph vitesse convertible in Valencia blue, a triumph tr6 in white and an mg b or c in numerous colours, lol, plus another semi trailer that my mate Wicker is sending me and we'll have a full load.
Meanwhile I visited the local model boat club at Largs whilst on holiday last couple of weeks.......and I cannot praise those guys for their friendship enough.......made me and my old friend Iain Crosbie ( ex owner of the Clyde lifeboat I modelled 3-4 years ago) so welcome when we visited, that one member had made a model of Jupiter, the boat I am modelling............and photos I took of this model will be immensely helpful when I come to detail mine.............I'll add some photos of the Largs member's boat after my own.
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Post by: Neil on August 25, 2014, 09:09:08 PM
the reason why I am filling the car deck up at this early stage is so that I can work out a method of fixing them all, in order for me to be able to lift off the two access hatches for the interior, and also to stop light fingered people ( I am very cynical and untrustworthy since I had a trawl door nicked from one of my trawlers some years ago down at the lake at Fleetwood, and earlier this year a lifering and breaches bouy pad from one of my lifeboats this summer)................and when I see on ebay that the little caravan attached to the MGB on the front of the middle row now sells for £85.00 as it's a rare collecters item ( I bought it 25 years ago with the MG for a tenner) I am not going to have my nice collection stripped within minutes whilst my back is turned..................

sadly I have ,as I have got older begun to trust less and less.........a bad trait I know...........but one that protects my property.

I have tried to include some of the old cars/vehicles I have driven and owned over the years........................however one sparkling mistake but modellers licence is on the car deck................a mars bar to anyone who can guess what the none genuine mistake is!!???, lol
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Post by: Arrow5 on August 25, 2014, 09:59:58 PM
Too many left-hand drive cars :embarrassed:
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Post by: Rottweiler on August 25, 2014, 10:07:21 PM
Neil, when you buy most car models they used to be screw mounted on to the base packaging? I would have thought some of your models could be screwed up from underneath the deck to stop theft and easier transporting?
Mick F
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Post by: Neil on August 25, 2014, 10:29:24 PM
Too many left-hand drive cars :embarrassed:
nope that's not it Arrow.......sadly most of these models are now made by Cararama ( an Italian company I think.......and they all come LHD.....mind you, ya won't see that small detail from 30 ft out..........no, there's a more glaring anomaly.
and yes, Mick...you are right....what I plan on doing is to make small blocks of wood to glue to the deck, and a threaded screw will be glued through it into the underside of the car.............the block will be painted same green as the deck, and glued to the deck thus anchoring the vehicle from light fingers making off with them.
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Post by: derekwarner on August 26, 2014, 12:30:57 AM
Neil....is the red car with the white roof the same scale as the white car with the black roof?........Derek
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Post by: Neil on August 26, 2014, 12:37:10 AM
yes mate........both the same scale, and it is those two cars.....(the red one is the one I own and drive at the present) that are the anomaly???.............but why,??
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Post by: derekwarner on August 26, 2014, 12:50:07 AM
are they Frog cars Neil? ...will you be deporting one or both of them back to Frogland?

Our dear friend GAZOU may have something to say about this  {-) ...Derek
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Post by: Neil on August 26, 2014, 12:53:01 AM
they are in fact Italian, Derek................Fiat 500L..........a little 500 on steroids......great cars and bags of space. neil.
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Post by: derekwarner on August 26, 2014, 01:26:30 AM
oh dear...I got the nationality wrong..... :embarrassed:

is 500L......500 litre volume capacity within the vehicle?........or 500CC engine capacity  :o & keep your steroids to yourself  :police:

In 1972...I purchased a new  FROG car..... a Renault 12TL...she was white in paint & beautiful  :P :kiss:.....however I would never consider an Italian job with one FWD gear & 10 reverse gears  {-)

Anyway....back to the question???? what is the anomaly?......... Derek
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 26, 2014, 01:36:43 AM
 
Derek,
Aska da question, whilst both cars, ala Italiana are the same scale, are they the same scale as all the others??????????
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Post by: carlseawolf on August 26, 2014, 08:04:52 AM
a great model , and ty for the master class in making hull moulds
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Post by: GAZOU on August 26, 2014, 09:35:46 AM
Derek

Derek of the immigrants we have it enough!
All Brittany and Atlantic coast is full of English in ........ and the rest of France ......................

I am going to emigrate into England, I would give lessons of kitchen

For the Australians it is too late ................ to eat frogs in phosphorescent gelatin it is necessary to be Australian

Neil : I would have parked the lorry ROBART in the middle of the ferry

The ferry is going to tilt
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Post by: Neil on August 26, 2014, 11:35:29 AM
the original fiat 500's indeed did have a little 500cc two cylinder engine, and then they released the retro 500's about 4 years ago but with modern 3 and 4 cylinder engines......the 500L is a pumped up people carrier with similar quaint retro lines to the baby fiat....mine has a 1300 diesel engine....and so much space inside...........

the anomaly is...

the Fiat 500L was released onto the market in the UK in December 2012........the Jupiter that it sits on sadly was scrapped in October 2011................but who cares other than rivet counters, lol
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Post by: Neil on August 26, 2014, 03:58:30 PM

Derek,
Aska da question, whilst both cars, ala Italiana are the same scale, are they the same scale as all the others??????????
yes raaarty.........all at 1:43 scale except the stobart truck which is at the slightly smaller scale of 1:50........but this makes it approximately 20 mill too short for the others.........and I ain't quibbling about that. neil.
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Post by: Neil on August 26, 2014, 04:00:52 PM
a great model , and ty for the master class in making hull moulds

thanks carl...........that's what we are all here for, to help others where we can.

cheers, neil.
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Post by: Neil on August 26, 2014, 04:14:20 PM
Derek

Derek of the immigrants we have it enough!
All Brittany and Atlantic coast is full of English in ........ and the rest of France ......................

I am going to emigrate into England, I would give lessons of kitchen

For the Australians it is too late ................ to eat frogs in phosphorescent gelatin it is necessary to be Australian

Neil : I would have parked the lorry ROBART in the middle of the ferry

The ferry is going to tilt
there's another one to go on it yet gazou.......but the weight of the other vehicles compensate for it.............as for coming to England and emigrating...you can come and take over my kitchen any time.........I have two hungry teen daughters and now a Pug puppy that eat anything, lol

aww......isn't she cute, lol
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Post by: Rottweiler on August 26, 2014, 04:38:07 PM
Oh Dear,Neil,at first I thought you had dyed your hair and then I read wot u av rote. No wonder they say a dog looks like its owner !
Captain PUGwash lives on! lol O0 O0 O0 :} :} :} ;D ;D ;D
Mick F
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Post by: GAZOU on August 26, 2014, 04:56:42 PM
Rottweiller

Quote
No wonder they say a dog looks like its owner

Of what side look you?

To the left or has right with its small snub nose   {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)

(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/15/37/42/64/neil10.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=3534&u=15374264)
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Post by: Neil on August 26, 2014, 06:06:17 PM
yer both cheeky sods {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Post by: Netleyned on August 26, 2014, 06:10:38 PM
Must think  'I am a sheep I eat grass  %%

Ned
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Post by: Ardnave on August 26, 2014, 08:15:45 PM
Hi Neil,
I'm quite new on Mayhem, just had to say how much I'm enjoying this build thread. I knew the Jupiter, Juno and Saturn well, the upper Clyde still seems strange without them.
Large vehicles were often over on the port side (after embarking via the stern ramp) so they were in a good position to drive off the stbd ramp at Dunoon. If there were several large vehicles a bit of shuffling on the car deck would be required. Latterly there were lanes painted on the stbd side for cars.
I have some photos of the streakers, I will find & post
 looking forward to your next instalment,
regards
Clark
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Post by: Neil on August 27, 2014, 12:40:04 PM
thanks for the info Carl.........thought I was right with positioning as from memory taking some trips on the streakers before they went for scrap, I can remember the jostling of cars vs trucks and coaches from gourock to Dunoon............both I and my daughter thought they were the best looking ships I the fleet, and still do................a couple more to go on yet and then photograph them before starting the build in earnest.
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Post by: wicker on September 02, 2014, 07:33:33 PM
Parcel on it way at last--see you in 7 weeks
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Post by: Neil on September 02, 2014, 08:59:40 PM
thanks very much Charlie, and look forward to it. neil................I owe you a beer or two. neil.
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Post by: Neil on September 05, 2014, 07:28:03 PM
well, thanks very much for sending me that superb Articulated lorry Charlie.........arrived safely this morning and now positioned on the car deck...........I think I'll have to do a little adjustment to the load so that the vehicles that are to fit over the access hatches to the interior don't impede other areas and that the hatches can be lifted easily.

Once organised they will eventually be fitted permanently to the deck with screws and small blocks...................but the car deck is now full. neil.
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Post by: wicker on September 05, 2014, 07:54:31 PM
Looks good there better than lying in my shed gathering dust
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Post by: Neil on September 05, 2014, 08:13:38 PM
cheers Charlie..yer a star. thanks. neil. :-))
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Post by: Neil on October 30, 2014, 04:31:23 PM
Well,after nearly two months I have finally finished my lifeboat plans for Dae Metcalf and my Thames Class lifeboat moulds and mouldings for Mike.......and a few other odd jobs including a little tidying of the workshop.......yes, don't all faint, lol

and so I got back to the Jupiter........First job was to re position the port side fenders at the stern.........they had mis placed them selves when I originally glued them and needed to be re aligned to match the starboard side.

Once done I filled the gaps between the deck and bulwarks with polyester filler.

Finally I marked out the starboard side wash ports aft of the funnel ( port side tonight.)

Had a problem here in that I have no stern shots of this boat and was in debt to Onara for posting some pics of the ships on a thread unrelated to this, and would have given me a good location shot for the wash port as it sweeps around the stern.........Went to look at the shots this afternoon, and sadly they have been removed, so am stumped until I can find others............but again, sadly I have searched the internet for some shots.....to no avail........c'est la vie
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Post by: Ardnave on October 31, 2014, 10:35:35 AM
Hi Neil,
Maybe these will help,

Clark
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Post by: Neil on October 31, 2014, 01:27:06 PM
cheers Dave......perfect. I have now been able to finish the stern scupper  slots off and also the bow ones including the hawse holes..............I have also taken the chance to file down to the marked lines all the grp on the viewing ports and all slots in the bulwarks..........look better now.

all the half rounded ends to the scupper ports was achieved with an old round file that I used to sharpen the blade of my chain saw with...........but it can also be easily achieved with a piece of sanding paper rolled into a tight tube. neil.
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Post by: Neil on November 02, 2014, 09:39:09 PM
I am getting down to some detailing before the rest of the hull is ready at the moment, but felt that it was the right time.

I am undecided as to whether to make the three ramps as working features ( never been one for working features on a model as they tend to go wrong in the salt water that I  sail on.............but because I am thinking about them, I have also thought about their construction, and so that my friend Andrew can also save some time, I have decided to make the ramps from plasticard and them mould them in Polyurethane resin for durability, and so tonight started on the Ramp base brackets whish will attach to the hull......these have also been made in plasticard and will be moulded in Poly resin.

the stern ramp is much narrower than the waist port and starboard ramps.

neil.
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Post by: Neil on November 04, 2014, 09:54:21 AM
new recruit.......my little pooch has decided to help with the motors for the ramps..............but doesn't quite know what to do with them yet, lol
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Post by: Rottweiler on November 04, 2014, 10:36:04 AM
Shes probably trying to work out your wiring Neil! (now where does this red one go?  {-) {-) {-) {-) cant see any use for it so I will eat it) %) %) %) %) %)
Mick F
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Post by: Neil on November 04, 2014, 01:15:18 PM
she stands a better chance of getting it right than I do, Mick, lol {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Post by: Neil on November 04, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
a step by step process for making the stern vehicle ramp...........all made from 1.8mm plasticard.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 05, 2014, 12:23:57 PM
well, spent nearly 5 hours last night constructing the rear ramp for the  Jupiter......and then got a text this morning from my Mentor Andrew...........to say that the Jupiter ramp has a different configuration to the Saturn which I based the ramp on................I do wish these ship builders would make em all the same............well at least the new ramp will be an easier one to build, lol

even the Juno and the Jupiter are different in that the Jupiter has some "filigree" running across the width of the ramp, whilst the Juno doesn't.............so I will this time construct the ramp without the "filigree" and mould that plate separately so that it can glued on afterwards.
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Post by: Neil on November 05, 2014, 12:31:47 PM
and now looking more closely at the photos of Jupiter I realise that I am going to have to cut a recess into the hull at the stern so that the brackets and plate will sit into..............oh well.........that's scratch building for you, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Tim B. on November 06, 2014, 02:04:07 AM
What an amazing amount of detail to tackle, the biggest modeling job I've ever seen ...........

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Post by: derekwarner on November 06, 2014, 02:44:12 AM
Afternoon Neil........ ok2

A colleague 30 years ago built a 1:48 model of the Australian Iron Duke [RoRo] with a Naviere stern ramp.....

Beautifully detailed ramp but it did not have sufficient weight of mass to lower on the scale number of wire falls after it was pushed out over centre

Not sure if you have completed some ballast calcs...& I understand lead sheet in the vertical plane does not aid for stability....but if the ramp is to function.....you may need to consider adding mass to it

Keep us posted with pics of the build  :-)).......Derek
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Post by: Neil on November 06, 2014, 08:02:11 AM
thanks for that info Derek.....you've just convinced me..........they are going to be static, lol

and thanks for the comments tim....  think I am getting rid of the most detail first and then the rest is plain sailing. lol.
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Post by: hmsantrim on November 06, 2014, 01:46:24 PM
Hi neil.
 been "ramping" up  the pressure have you.. {-)   ok `I ll get me coat then..
 Frank
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Post by: Neil on November 06, 2014, 04:01:03 PM
think after that comment Frank............it's a case of you walking the ramp plank {-) {-) {-)
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Post by: hmsantrim on November 06, 2014, 04:03:32 PM
 Hi Neil.
  won`t be the first time I`ve been called a "Plank".  ;D
  Frank
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Post by: Neil on November 06, 2014, 04:09:20 PM
it has taken me ALL DAY just to think of that pun, Frank..............I don't think I can manage another in 24 hours, lol. {:-{ %% {-) :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
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Post by: hmsantrim on November 06, 2014, 09:05:57 PM
 Hi neil.
 can`t think of another pun what aboot just another ramp-ant modeller.. %%
 
 Frank.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 06, 2014, 10:16:11 PM
Hi neil.
 can`t think of another pun what aboot just another ramp-ant modeller.. %%
 
 Frank.
I wish I were Frank........with some nice blonde or redhead...........not fussy, lol %% %% %%
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Post by: Neil on November 06, 2014, 10:25:51 PM
so, onwards and upwards.............4 more hours tonight and the revamped ramp is almost ready, just the top bracket pivots to put on once I have made the top flaps to the ramp, and will start these tonight, finishing them off tomorrow............all this will then be put into rtv rubber moulds to take mouldings off.............then onto the side port/starboard ramps............will just make one of those which can then be moulded for both sides.

the "filigree" was made using my trusty compass cutter......a great little asset for the workshop.
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Post by: Neil on November 07, 2014, 05:37:10 PM
and todays offerings are the top ramp flaps which are a bridging ramp from main to the harbour ramps...........these will be hinged to the top of the ramps.......the thinner one is for the port and starboard side ramps........and only one thinner flap fits at the end of the row of five flaps on the wider ramp......which I'll be making next.
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Post by: Pioneer on November 07, 2014, 06:34:37 PM
Hi Neil

Looking great!  :-))

I'll try and follow progress this week from foreign parts...... Wi-Fi access depending of course....  <*<

Best regards

Andrew
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Post by: Neil on November 07, 2014, 07:17:41 PM
 :-)) :-))

you be careful out there man!!. have a great trip........did you get to see Loch Seaforth arrive in Greenock today??

Mollie was watching it on Marine Traffic most of the day, and plenty of photos apparently on Twitter, lol
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on November 07, 2014, 09:18:28 PM
Unfortunately I couldn't get down to see her arrive. :((

I followed her progress online as she made her way from Germany over the last four days. For those wanting to see some pictures, the forum on Ships of Calmac is a good place to look. :-))

She'll be lying at Greenock for some time as the port infrastructure for her is not finished yet. I hope to pop down on my return from assignment and have a look myself. She's huge by all accounts. I must say I like the paintwork.......it's a talking point. :} Not everyone likes the paint finish though.

Andrew
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Post by: Neil on November 07, 2014, 09:23:41 PM
Mollie calls her saggy bum, lol.........and I don't think the white painted ramp will stay white for long, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 09, 2014, 09:46:40 AM
main side ramps now almost finished...............out to the Cenetaph in Poulton now, and then back to do a bit more whilst watching the penultimate grand prix.........missed quallies yesterday, who's on Pole.??
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Post by: Netleyned on November 09, 2014, 09:50:01 AM
Herr Rosberg <*<


Ned
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Post by: Neil on November 09, 2014, 10:00:47 AM
cheers ned..............should be exciting then, lol.............if hammi takes him off next two races, yippee, lol {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)

pay back time, %) %) %) %) %)
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Post by: Neil on November 14, 2014, 11:47:14 AM
finally got the two ramps ready for moulding and will make the mould boxes from Lego this afternoon.

Have shortened the hinge brackets to fit and added the brackets for the hydraulic rams which will all be moulded onto the ramp.

just a slight amount of sanding smooth before they go into the moulds though.
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Post by: hama on November 14, 2014, 02:42:31 PM
Nice! :-))
Hama
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Post by: Pioneer on November 14, 2014, 06:00:26 PM
Hi Neil

That looks fantastic! Brilliant work. :-))

All going well over in Europe, now in Prague in the Czech Republic. As usual very long days but that's what happens when we work abroad. :-)

Need to scoot as meeting the rest of the team for dinner....

Regards

Andrew

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Post by: Neil on November 14, 2014, 09:30:13 PM
thanks guys.................and Andrew, enjoy your meal. neil.
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Post by: Peter Fitness on November 14, 2014, 09:32:53 PM
It's looking great Neil, immaculate work as usual. :-))


Peter.
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Post by: Neil on November 14, 2014, 09:39:58 PM
cheers Peter........slow progress on this one I'm afraid................never built a ferry before..........all new to me. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: carlmt on November 14, 2014, 10:27:20 PM
Call that slow progress Niel? You should see my efforts on the Free Enterprise ferry...........
 
Lovely work you have done there mind.......I am enjoying this tremendously.
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Post by: Neil on November 14, 2014, 10:47:10 PM
cheers Carl.........it is slow by my past builds.........but hopefully might get going a bit more once these ramps have been located and the whole thing is settled......a bit of rejigging and designing for them to fit properly. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Capt Podge on November 14, 2014, 11:27:39 PM
Hi Neil, what's the orange coloured material you're using on the ramps ? (just curious) :D
 
Regards,
 
Ray.
 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 14, 2014, 11:37:52 PM
hi Ray,
if you look on Models by design web site at the mouldings for the Clyde class lifeboat, you'll see he advertises a "Y" class rib to go with the Clyde mouldings.....the boat is actually an early D class rib with the flat nose............I made the tooling for it to be vac formed along with the moulds for the Clyde..........and the orange plasticard I am using are the remnants of 16 D class ribs that I had moulded at Blackpool and the Fylde college 4 years ago.........it's just normal HIPS (high impact polystyrene.............similar to ABS)but I bought it ready coloured orange to help painting the ribs afterwards.

some one really should tell Andy Grigg that it is a D class boat and not a Y class.................4.5 inches too long for a Y and a bit misleading to those wanting one for their Tamar or other fast lifeboat, lol {-) {-) {-)
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Post by: Neil on November 16, 2014, 12:44:37 AM
all moulds for the two different sized ramps are now in their mould boxes and ready for the first halves of rubber to be poured in........that'll come later today.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: carlmt on November 16, 2014, 10:53:28 AM
Niel - Quick question if I may?
 
What do you use as a 'separator' or 'barrier' for the two halves of the mould?  What I mean is, what product is used to prevent the rubber from sticking to the plasticene and the component?
Cheers
Carl
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Post by: derekwarner on November 16, 2014, 12:19:39 PM
Goodness Carl....... %)....he used McEWANS  CHAMPION Beer  as the release agent.......{-) ...... Derek
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Post by: Neil on November 16, 2014, 12:38:12 PM
and by gum it's tastey too................

carl.................I used to use a spray release agent that I bought from Tiranti's in Reading, but for some reason they stopped supplying it because they said that Royal mail and other couriers wouldn't transport it.............but I have my own ideas.........the last two batches I bought, wouldn't allow separation of the rubber and I lost two moulds...........but the guy at Tiranti's told me that Vaseline was a perfect release agent.............and for the past few years have been using that.............smeared on my fingers and thinly worked into the rubber before the second layer of mould added and it works better than any spray release agent I ever used.

the rubber doesn't stick to the plasticene or the master.........it will only stick to something of like.......i.e. more silicon rubber
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: carlmt on November 16, 2014, 04:20:11 PM
Thanks for that Neil - I had better explain to my better half why there is a pot of vaseline in the workshop before she finds it!!!!!!!
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 20, 2014, 07:56:38 PM
well, the RTV rubber moulds turned out well except for the stern ramp mould............this didn't go too well..main reason was that when mixing the rubber and catalyst I tend to put a very small amount of tap water into the mix.........this rubber best cures when in a moist warm atmosophere such as an airing cupboard with emersion tank (an air drying room for our US cousins).......and because I don't have one, I asked the tech guys at Tiranti's ( font of all knowledge moulding wise) what I could do.........add a little water....similar amount to the catalyst to help curing.......sadly this time the water didn't mix too well, and left air bubbles in the area of the lattice work on the ramp.................so had to repair it.
 I cut some strips of plasticard and inserted it into the mould to make a grid pattern, and then mixed a little rubber and repaired the air holes ......turned out ok, but would have been better first time round, lol.....

 an then I cast a mould in polyurethane resin..............seemed to turn out ok, and with a little sanding they'll look a whole lot better.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 20, 2014, 08:03:19 PM
once the moulds had been repaired I cut out the air release tracks in them for ease of moulding.


and then finally some moulds were cast.....they turned out quite well, with minor blow holes to one of the mouldings.......second ones should be better as I can rectify where they went wrong
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 20, 2014, 08:22:45 PM
Finally I got to grips with the rebates for the bottom brackets to the ramps.

 first I marked out and then drilled around the area to be cut out......then I reamed out between the line of drill holes.

 Using a chisel I drove down from the deck and cut out the grp.

 Finally cutting the rebate back, square and flat with my trusty vibro file to fit the brackets in.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: cos918 on November 20, 2014, 09:27:50 PM
Hi
the ferry is looking real good and is coming on very well. Can I ask what the advantage of the resin ramp over the plastic card master ?

john
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 20, 2014, 10:54:03 PM
Hi John,

simple reason really, My friend Andrew who originally supplied the plugs for me to mould the boat, wants to build a model, and so does his friend............and as such I said it would make the moulds for him to reproduce his fittings..........in as much, a semi kit of her would be built........and also two of the wider ramps are needed per boat........easier and more time saving to make a mould from one ramp than make two ramps.
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: cos918 on November 21, 2014, 06:00:41 PM
Thanks . Makes sense . Over winter I am hoping to re-do the ramp on my ferry. I am going to be using brass and copper clad sheet

john
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 21, 2014, 09:41:27 PM
that sounds very interesting John..........hope you put some photos on. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Tim B. on November 26, 2014, 03:57:12 PM
This be True and Comprehensive model making at it's best, everthing designed and made by the builder ~
 
Not oft found these days !
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 26, 2014, 10:11:17 PM
thanks tim................I try my best, lol.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: thething84 on November 27, 2014, 12:13:52 AM
looking great. think i have just spent about and hour or more flicking through your progress from the beginning. I only hope to make something which is near this level of modelling one day.
 
Well done will continue watching your progress.
 
James
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on November 27, 2014, 12:16:23 AM
thanks James. :-))

neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on December 12, 2014, 04:18:44 PM
I have been working slowly on the Jupiter......have made a start on the main anchor windlass.......made totally from  plasticard and milliput..........needs some sanding to the main power unit and then the warp drums and the anchor drums and brakes doing.

I also couldn't resist bringing into the mix another lifeboat.........I picked up the Alanger Oakley class boat at 1:48 scale some years ago and it sat in my workshop since.........so today decided to dig it out and motorise it, using servo motors........been fitting the prop shafts which I will run a little thread on lifeboats shortly..........but think it will look nice on the low loader as deck cargo on the Jupiter..........just couldn't resist, lol
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Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 12, 2014, 04:47:19 PM

Very nice.      :-))

ken

Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on December 12, 2014, 05:05:01 PM
cheers Ken.............it's been 50 years since I made a plastic kit and am thoroughly enjoying it. neil. :-)) :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Stavros on December 12, 2014, 09:13:47 PM
Neil seen this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151512068959#ht_306wt_1190 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151512068959#ht_306wt_1190)
 
Dave
 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on December 12, 2014, 11:09:05 PM
cheers Dave........will show my daughter that one.................she'll want me to buy it for her. neil.
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Post by: Rottweiler on December 12, 2014, 11:30:24 PM
Pick up only on that one Neil!!!
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on December 12, 2014, 11:32:54 PM
 aye.....that'll  be my "reason " for not buying it for her, lol %% %% %%
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 02, 2015, 01:31:22 AM
BLIMEY, 2015 ALREADY.............. and only the basics done on this old girl...................must get a stonk on if I'm going to get the thing finished for this summer.............

been putting this job off for quite some time as it always ends in sore fingers and monotonous cutting and sanding down.............the Bulwark support stays..............don't know yet how many this vessel takes but I have cut just over 110 of them to make sure.

the height was measured and a strip of 1.5 plasticard cut to that height. then the stays were marked out, and a score line was made for each............56 per strip.
broken off in pairs, the inner water way was cut from them and then these in turn were broken apart.
Finally all were sanded flat.

Tomorrow I will glue the outer flange on to the edge that protrudes from the stay once it has been glued to the bulwark.thank goodness that job Is done!!!
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: carlmt on January 04, 2015, 09:39:52 PM
There's dedication to detail!!!!  :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on January 04, 2015, 09:54:53 PM
I thought Neil was cutting his Christmas carrots all fancy this year til I read the script! Lol
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: carlmt on January 04, 2015, 09:56:27 PM
I thought Neil was cutting his Christmas carrots all fancy this year til I read the script! Lol
Mick F
{-) {-) {-)
We need a 'like' button on this 'ere f'rum.........
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 04, 2015, 10:15:05 PM
added the outer flange last night to all 110 of them that I cut, now onto the cruciform bollards.making four of those so I can mould all eight in two castings.....

then onto the Colborne fairleads and the warping fairleads at the stern.....am going to leave the drilling of these till tomorrow.

the photos below show the beginnings of the cruciform bollards.

the base's cut out with the upright bollards ( made from old knitting needles) marked and scored using a small pad saw and my trusty V block.The use of the needle file is to mark centre for drilling for the horizontal bars.

then the horizontal bars cut to length from plaststruct, and then the end cappings for the bars cut from different diameters of plaststruct.
tomorrow after drilling they will be glued together using cyano and then put into a mould for casting.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 04, 2015, 10:18:41 PM
more carrots for you mick. {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Tim B. on January 05, 2015, 12:28:20 AM
Simply Amazing that every little bit is hand made ....
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Post by: derekwarner on January 05, 2015, 12:33:36 AM
mick....just for you  {-) ..... Derek

Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on January 05, 2015, 01:32:42 AM
you are so kind but Neigh,I cant take them sorry,I have a sore throat which makes me horse.
Sorry it is 1.30 am lol :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: ;D ;D ;D :kiss:
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 05, 2015, 11:59:33 AM
wot a donkey you are.............

why do they call you donkey??


ee ore, ee orr, ee orrways calls me donkey {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 05, 2015, 12:02:22 PM
Simply Amazing that every little bit is hand made ....

never buy anything if I can make it, Tim...I'm a scrooge like that, lol

also........don't feel I've built it if I buy parts, unless of course it's a full kit, which I enjoy building...........someone else has done the hard work then, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 05, 2015, 05:37:43 PM
so here is, ( apart from filling in the holes on the ends of the bars with milliput ) the four cruciform bollards that I will be moulding.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on January 06, 2015, 12:00:14 AM
more carrots for you mick. {-) {-) {-) {-)

C'mon Neil you can't fool us Aussies, <*< <*<  they are peppermint lifesavers O0 O0 {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 07, 2015, 11:27:48 PM
have to admit..have used polo's in the past for lifebelts on 1:48 scale boats.....but bit to big for that purpose, lol............and there's only so many I can suck before I get fed up of sucking, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 07, 2015, 11:31:56 PM
tonight, got down to making the masters for the goose neck vents that adorn the bulwark sides....so much easier to make them from plastic when cold moulding RTV rubber rather than masters in brass......and very much quicker..............and I knew those old cocktail swizzle sticks would come in one day............only took 15 years to find a use, {-) {-)

the rounded goosenecks were heated over a candle before bending.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 10, 2015, 08:10:23 PM
made the warping fairleads and the main warping capstans yesterday but because of talktalk's lousy service couldn't post till tonight......I do like a little turning in brass......gives me great satisfaction.
someone might notice that the third one has a different shaped bollard on it...a rounded top......this is intentional as it is/was a powered bollard,

the capstan will be cast in resin in two parts.
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Post by: Pioneer on January 10, 2015, 09:59:51 PM
Hi Neil

Brilliant work as always..... :-))

Great to see these details coming together and seeing the process thanks to your careful documenting.

I'm still struggling with next to no voice..... {:-{
The family are loving it!  {-)

I'll be in touch once I find my vocal chords again.

Kind regards

Andrew



Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 10, 2015, 10:49:39 PM
Hi Neil

Brilliant work as always..... :-))

Great to see these details coming together and seeing the process thanks to your careful documenting.

I'm still struggling with next to no voice..... {:-{
The family are loving it!  {-)

I'll be in touch once I find my vocal chords again.

Kind regards

Andrew

thanks Andrew, was going to ask you how your new year was.....but it sounds as though you have been rough. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: irishcarguy on January 11, 2015, 03:44:51 AM
Hi Neil, Happy New Year & all that Jazz.i Despite the fact that I have been quiet I have followed your thread & it is setting a new standard. I admire your work & your work ethic too. A lathe is a helpful tool & nice to see you using it.  (I can see you found it under the pile that was on top of it.)  As you already know I went all out after waiting & saving for years & got both a Lathe & a Mill, unfortunately they now sit idle most of the time(I bought all the tools for both machines as well) I try to use them when I feel a bit better but I don't have the patience now & standing is very hard after an hour or two.The way you use everything at your disposal amazes me all the time, you are one very inventive man & a credit to our forum & our hobby. Thank you. Some day soon you should come & visit I can guarantee you will go home heavier than when you arrived. Good luck to you and your daughters in the new year & many more years to come, just keep the BOAT buildings coming, Cheers Mate, Mick ( in Canada )   
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 11, 2015, 10:37:39 AM
thanks for those lovely words Mick and all the best to you and your good lady too......

was only talking to the girls yesterday about your invites to Canada, and they said that they would actually like to go sometime.........so I told them to get saving their pocket money and once I have paid off the credit card, which is jaw busting at the mo, we would like to take you up on your offer...........my younger daughter, Rachel went to the pics last night because the rest of the family were going to the pub to see her older brother off as he goes to Canada in a few days for a couple of years or more, and it  inflamed their fancy to travel, and especially to Canada...........so you might see us knocking at your door....especially if I can sell my lifeboats, lol

take care my friend and have a good year...get doing some of those speedline models...could be new collectables soon, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 12, 2015, 05:33:38 PM
there are more vents on this ship than in Sherlock Holmes's Cromby...a lot of different varieties........three more including the main engine room extractor vent ( made in four parts, of which two were vent supports for my Watson lifeboats with modifications to fit the trunk of the main vent).....plus another Hose/filler connection.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 13, 2015, 04:06:41 PM
the main up / down companionways from the  car deck to the upper deck have now been made....the thinner one which is the port and starboard companionway has been modified from an old one I made for the Clyde class lifeboat interior and I just added more treaders between the existing ones. the larger double one which is the main central companionway wan made of the same material and glued together with plastiweld. both these will be put into open moulds as easier to cast intricate parts with thin plastic walls ( no split halves) and moulded in polyurethane resin
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 14, 2015, 09:25:06 PM
because of the top hamper of the vehicles going on the car deck on this beastie, the rest of the fittings are to be made lightly.......the lockers made today are all hollow to keep weight down rather than make from blocks of obeche as I normally would........and more to come........just getting round to making them.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: carlmt on January 14, 2015, 10:09:00 PM
I love this attention to detail  :-))
 
Fascinating to watch a craftsman at work  O0
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 14, 2015, 10:12:18 PM
after looking at all your work on the ferry carl, especially those companionway stair cases.........I feel more like a boggit and scarper than a craftsman {:-{ {:-{
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Peter_s on January 14, 2015, 10:13:17 PM
A fascinating build Neil! :-))  Really impressed and slightly in awe of the detail and hand crafting! Loving the  pics! Something to aspire to! O0 O0
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 14, 2015, 10:19:49 PM
thanks guys.....appreciate the comments............guess we are on a losing battle now as scratch builders though, when you see the beautiful fittings being turned out on 3D printers.....and if I could afford one, think I'd be going down that route too, especially on such items as the companionways.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Peter Fitness on January 15, 2015, 12:12:48 AM
You're getting quite good at this caper Neil, you should consider taking up model boat building as a hobby {-) %%


Peter.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 15, 2015, 12:18:18 AM
You're getting quite good at this caper Neil, you should consider taking up model boat building as a hobby {-) %%


Peter.
I thought I was till I saw all carl's 3D printed fittings...........back to the drawing board, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Peter Fitness on January 15, 2015, 12:29:06 AM
Neil, I have found that, no matter how good we are, or think we are, there's always someone better. In your case you don't have too much to worry about, you're doing a great job O0


Peter.
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Post by: carlmt on January 15, 2015, 05:56:25 AM
Neil - I can assure you, the only skill I have in this regard is to be able to visualise something in 3 dimensions and then get it down on a drawing.  I find the actual crafting of solid objects extremely difficult and often a disaster!
 
The 3D stuff is all the creation of a machine...........
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 15, 2015, 06:52:22 PM
Neil, I have found that, no matter how good we are, or think we are, there's always someone better. In your case you don't have too much to worry about, you're doing a great job O0


Peter.

thanks guys, but I think you are too kind peter and carl........this is basic stuff I am making at the mo. neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 18, 2015, 11:20:17 AM
all detailing has now been added to the lifebelt , fire and other lockers along with oil header tank and W/T escape hatches except for the levers on some which can be added by small bore brass wire later.

the detailing was made by various sizes and shapes of Plastruct extrusions.

all will now be moulded where possible.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 18, 2015, 10:44:26 PM
still working out whether I can mould all the larger lockers as they all have open bottom ends, and hollow, but have put all the bitts, capstan and other lockers and goosenecks into mould casting boxes.......will pour rubber into them tomorrow.........some are split moulds whilst others will be single moulds with the moulding poured in from the top.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: carlmt on January 18, 2015, 10:51:30 PM
This is absolutely fascinating for me!!!
 
Is that plasticine in half the moulds Neil? How do you press the part to be moulded into it without it breaking? Here I am thinking of the stair units.

One further question if I may - how do you decide between what parts will have split moulds and which will not?
 
As you can guess, I am about to embark on this little exercise soon with the Free Enterprise parts.....  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 18, 2015, 10:56:16 PM
This is absolutely fascinating for me!!!
 
1)Is that plasticine in half the moulds Neil?

2)How do you press the part to be moulded into it without it breaking? Here I am thinking of the stair units.

3)One further question if I may - how do you decide between what parts will have split moulds and which will not?
 
As you can guess, I am about to embark on this little exercise soon with the Free Enterprise parts.....  :embarrassed:

Hi Carl,


1)  yes it's plasticine.........I use modellers/moulders plasticine.....bought it years ago from Tiranti's in Reading, but you can use children's play plasticine ( but not playdo)but it's far more expensive pound per pound that moulders p.

2)I put the plasticine into the mould first, and then put the mould box onto the radiator to warm up.......just a little and then press the master into the plasticine and finally go around the edges with a thin scriber or end of a needle file to make a close fit between the plasticine and the master.

3)I chose those without a split mould such as the boxes and the bitts and capstan because they have all flat bottoms and it was the bottom of each master that touches the plasticine and will be open once the rubber has set......will show you that bit tomorrow when I have poured the rubber and it has set......it will explain easier in photo form.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Pioneer on January 18, 2015, 10:59:27 PM
Hi Neil

My goodness you have been busy! The masters look fantastic. :-))

Looking forward to seeing the moulding process, something I've not tackled so far!

Managed to get my voice back.....now in Sweden with work until Friday. I'll be in touch once I'm back home again.

Regards

Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 18, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
yes, Andrew.....I must have missed an email from you...........what has been wrong with your voice..........have you been unwell?
neil.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: carlmt on January 18, 2015, 11:09:26 PM
Thanks for the explanation Neil - will look forward to tomorrows instalment..
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Post by: Pioneer on January 18, 2015, 11:14:23 PM
Hi Neil,

Yes, I sent an email just after new year.... Must be hovering in the www somewhere!!

So I guess...Happy New Year! :-)

Was floored by a throat infection and lost my voice while developing a wonderful cough. Mostly recovered now and working hard once more. Currently in Uppsala just North of Stockholm before heading to Denmark on Tuesday and then home once more.

Trust you're all well.

Andrew
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 18, 2015, 11:36:19 PM
Andrew..............sorry, never got that..........a belated happy new your to you and your loved ones too.......and sorry to hear about your illness...............touch wood I have been free from such things this year.......clearly the flu jab worked well................
a little update....we were up in Glasgow two days before Christmas for mollie to have an interview with Clyde Marine Training, she did far better than the one in late November at Fleetwood Nautical college.and her future is looking more positive by the month.lol.

take care over there..........far too bloody cold for me, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: hmsantrim on January 19, 2015, 04:46:40 AM
Hi neil.
RE: were up in Glasgow two days before Christmas , interview with Clyde Marine Training.
was that their new premesis in Hillington estate you went to for that.
 
frank
 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 19, 2015, 08:46:44 AM
think so frank...........junction 26 of the M8..............lovely new building  opened early last year 2014.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Marks Model Bits on January 19, 2015, 09:10:59 AM

3)I chose those without a split mould such as the boxes and the bitts and capstan because they have all flat bottoms and it was the bottom of each master that touches the plasticine and will be open once the rubber has set......will show you that bit tomorrow when I have poured the rubber and it has set......it will explain easier in photo form.

Hi Carl, the way I decide if it is to be a split mould or not is to look at the master and see if the fitting once cast will come out of the rubber mould easily, if it won't a split mould will be needed. I recently produced an O gauge resin truck kit for another company and the cab actually required a 3 piece mould to reproduce all the interior and exterior details.

Mark..
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: hmsantrim on January 19, 2015, 12:35:22 PM
think so frank...........junction 26 of the M8..............lovely new building  opened early last year 2014.
so was this you visiting in stealth mode in case you were spotted  {-)  if you had went 10 mins along the road to junction 24 you could have  stopped off and said hello and had a beer.  Bet you got dragged off to the Braehead shopping centre instead... O0 {-) {-)
 
 Frank   
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 19, 2015, 12:52:30 PM
aye....we had a quick trip round braehead, frank...........can't keep the kids away from primark at the end of the mall............sadly I used to go in smiths/menzies just inside the doors whilst they were shopping......but they closed it down this last summer........ >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(..........I'm stumped for something to do now, so sit in the chairs on the upper floor, people watching, lol {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on January 19, 2015, 03:15:31 PM
they're all in there somewhere, lol.....just letting the RTV rubber set and cure before I dismantle most of the boxes.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: carlmt on January 19, 2015, 07:44:43 PM
Better than any book is this  O0
 
So - what would you recommend for a newbie to this moulding lark then Neil? I guess Tiranti would be my port of call for supplies, but what exactly would I be asking them for? {:-{
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on January 19, 2015, 08:20:05 PM
May I just say that it appears that sadly Neil will NOT be able to reply or add to this thread due to recent happenings.My apologies if I have received the wrong information.
   I would stress that it is NOTHING to do with his health
Those of you who can contact him please do so that he can explain for himself.
Cheers
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: carlmt on January 19, 2015, 08:25:26 PM
THAT'S rather worrying Mick.
 
I am unable to contact him directly, but I do send him my very best wishes and hope that he is OK.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on January 19, 2015, 09:25:09 PM
Rottweiler........you have a PM from me  %)...Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on February 18, 2015, 05:46:50 PM
Well folks,
 
 I am back after serving my penal sentence of 30 days in Jankers, and am actually amazed at the amount of building work I have done on the model and housework I have too, lol.
 
Never knew how time consuming writing a build log was, and can now understand why some eminent members only ever post to contradict others,and don't get down to building anything themselves. Lol
 
With this in mind, this post will be the last on this thread that I will make as it would take me too long to write the catch ups from where I left off, to where I  am now. However should anyone wish to read what has been done to the model in the last 30 days, then they can go to here.....   
 
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1974468&page=16#post30550244
 
And here.....
 
http://www.thercmodelboatforum.com/t701p100-jupiter-a-caledonian-macbrayne-ferry#8937
 
And if they have anything they wish to ask me, they can either email or PM me on here or ask on the other two forums.
 
I am now going to slide into a life of obscurity.
 
However, I would just like to tell you all a little story and happening in my life, that happened a few years ago and which until now only very few of my closest friends have known.
 
I  had written a good number of articles, both as reviews and freelance of scratch build models for model boating magazines, when an editor of one of them, rang me up one day and asked if it was true that I was out of work and looking for something different.It was also after I had helped Frank Hinchliffe develop and design his first 3 model kits for Mountfleet Models.
 
The answer of yes, prompted him to tell me that as yet not known in public circles he was going to retire within a period of time, and wondered, because of my style of writing, and my educated background and considerable knowledge of model boating, yachting ( because of where I lived in Fleetwood) and other such matters, whether I would like to be the next editor. of the magazine. I sadly had to decline as I told him that Hemmell Heampstead where the magazine was based at the time, was far too far from Fleetwood and I couldn't even consider re locating. Also I had never had anything in the way of editorial skills nor computer skills to do such a job.
 
 He told me that he would be my mentor until and after his retirement, and it was a changing world in which I would probably be able to live at home and commute just once a week or fortnight to the "office".
 
Sadly at the time and my family circumstances I didn't feel brave enough to take the plunge into uncertainty and declined his offer.
 
I now think back and in hind site wonder where both I and others would be today, had I not taken that fresh leap into the unknown. I wonder for others what it feels like to know that they were second choice.
 
So the purpose of this little but true tale is.......If you get the chance to do something new, out of your comfort zone and completely alien to you,......TAKE IT...........you don't know how it will turn out and how you can influence your own and other's lives that you come into contact with along life's highway.
 
And finally I would just like you to ponder over a collection of 3 quotes that I have had in my mind for years after a debacle I had with some church goers once, many years ago.............
 
“Those who plead their cause in the absence of an opponent can invent to their heart's content, can pontificate without taking into account the opposite point of view and keep the best arguments for themselves, for aggressors are always quick to attack those who have no means of defence.”
― Christine de Pizan
 
 
And this one from Noel Coward......
 
“It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit.”
― Noël Coward


"A man cannot make comment to influence others if he has not  firstly made sure his own life is in order and beyond scrutiny."
- Anon


All three of these quotes remind me of a word called Hypocrisy!
 
Happy modelling folks............I will be around occasionally.
 
And thanks for the support I have received from my friends on here.........you ALL  know who you are.
 
Cheers.,
 
Neil.
 
TOPIC THREAD NOW CLOSED  as far as I am concerned!
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: hama on February 18, 2015, 06:43:11 PM
Don't really know what happened here, but I enjoyed your build very much and will follow it elsewhere. Thanks for sharing!
All the best!
Hama
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on February 18, 2015, 07:05:34 PM
So  there you go folks.This forum has lost one of its best contributers,  in a man who not only knows his stuff,but is very willing to share it with each and everyone.He has always been a great help to me,and over the many years I have known him,has become a good friend,and as for myself,I am PROUD, to have him as a friend.Neil is a one off,and long may he be so.
I hope the one person on here who knows who he is, is feeling very smug with himself.I emphasize,it is NOT, Martin or any of the Mods,but the one person knows full well who he is
If I am banned from here so be it,I have not contributed a lot as I am not a modeller with any building skills,but what little I do have I have been helped by this page.
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Netleyned on February 18, 2015, 07:11:20 PM
The one person should be the one leaving
Not Neil.
Not any sort of contribution compared with Neil
Ned
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Stavros on February 18, 2015, 08:25:18 PM
Well  i  am totally DISGUSTED with this as I and I'll guarantee a lot are not members of the groups that have been mentioned....thanks a lot you moron who causd Neil to do this


Dave
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on February 18, 2015, 08:59:55 PM
I too am disappointed, not personally as I can follow, join & talk with Neil at a new WEB location :-))...however I am disappointed for MBM and more so any new member joining who will not have the pleasure of viewing such build threads from this builder based on years of experience

Neil... %) just in case the new WEB site requires a referee when joining....could I use your name please  O0...see you in the new place.... Derek

Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: slinger on February 18, 2015, 09:23:54 PM
I am another one sorry to see this happen :((  Neil has given me a lot of help and advice for my preference to the older style lifeboats, casting my own fittings etc.  Again I will follow your builds and advice elsewhere and hope to meet up with you soon and have that cup of tea we never got around to having O0
Graham
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: irishcarguy on February 18, 2015, 10:49:28 PM
I too will miss him & of course his wonderful build threads lumps & all. To say he was generous with his help & time is an understatement. In one of the things he did for me, he went out & bought me my lifeboat crew & mailed them to me far away in Canada before he was paid even. Many times he has given me a lot of help on the phone & by Email as well. I am not aware what transpired to him to be given the suspension ( a stiff one too ) but I personally ask the mods to fix if, knowing Neil as I do it would not have been one sided. Lets bury the pride & ego's at least this once & get one of our best members back where he belongs, To be fair we all have rough edges & when we are pushed too far we all react. Neil has always called a spade a spade of which there is far too little of these days, the thought & word police are everywhere. It is well past time that the long suffering MAJORITY stood up & fought back. Mick B.   
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on February 18, 2015, 11:15:53 PM
I too am bewildered   :(( :(( and could say a lot but won't, click on the bottom link in Neil's post and lo and behold he is a Moderator.  :o :o :o
This beggars the question why is he  held in higher esteem elsewhere O0 O0  and not here, so why in heavens name would he come back  <:( <:( <:(

At the end of the day NO ONE is indispensable, reading between Neil's lines, Model Boats Magazine features in here somewhere??

If we called a spade a spade, there would be no need to come to conclusions, make assumptions etc, correctly or incorrectly as it would be plain what has been said.

Political correctness just doesn't cut it anymore. <:( <:( <:(
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 18, 2015, 11:25:55 PM
I think it is a bit unfair to equate Martin and the moderators with 'thought police.' Martin puts a huge amount of personal effort in keeping this site up and running for all our benefit and has to deal with difficult people and situations. He certainly has my support even if some people seem to have a problem with this and prefer to make unconsidered comments without knowing all the facts.
Colin







Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on February 19, 2015, 12:14:27 AM
I have already exonerated Martin and the Mods, and the facts that people are drawing conclusions from, have already been listed  by Neil above.Methinks ,that someone is aiming to get THIS thread locked before all catch on ?
You can see for yourself the popularity that Neil has on here by the support now,and the many THOUSANDS of   replies to his postings and build logs.
I know the facts as they stand.AND I am fully aware of the guilty person,and as a matter of principle I will NOT reveal his name under any circumstances.
The Honorable thing to do would be for that person to resign from the forum quietly,but I cannot see that happening.
With that,unless any further comment is made directly about me is the end of my discussion on the whole sordid affair.
Thanks for your support guys.
Mick F.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on February 19, 2015, 01:29:33 AM
Rottweiler...if I could refer to my copy of "Grammar for Lawyers".....[which infuriated certain members some years back]...to suggest of one doing 'an honourable deed' also requires that...that person must be honourable in the first place .....I rest my case..... Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: vnkiwi on February 19, 2015, 01:44:00 AM
Well said, both of you, Mick and Derek.
 :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Ardnave on February 19, 2015, 05:35:39 AM
Neil,
I will catch up with your interesting and informative build elsewhere  :-))
All the best

Clark
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on February 19, 2015, 05:48:42 AM
Well said, both of you, Mick and Derek.
 :-))

Agree also  :-)) :-)) :-)) O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: irishcarguy on February 19, 2015, 07:10:39 AM
I would say as I was the member that used the phrase or words( though & word police ) that no where did I mention Martin or the mods, & I think you knew well what I was pointing at. We are getting to the point where you need a Lawyer standing beside you before opening your mouth especially when that statement has any racial or political overtones just to name just two of the many items we could add to that list of items on that list. There was a time we have had free speech, in my book sadly it is long gone. That creates a sad state of affairs No one raised an issue about what was said & most of us went back to what it was that we did. Nobody can make a law that will make me like certain people & I hope to die that way. To get to the reason Neil was banned it would have been nice to see what caused the reasons in the first place, Then we could have used our collective judgment & make up our own minds, wrong or right. Right now what have we  got ?, Lots of rumours that do not help anybody to come to their own conclusion. In the middle of this is one of our best members that has done more to help than any body but our mods & MARTIN. I personally would like to see those involved Fix their differences, & just not because I am missing a great build by one of the best builders to ever grace our Forum. Mick B,.

   
 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Footski on February 19, 2015, 08:03:11 AM
I too will deeply miss Neil's contributions. Having worked along side him as a Moderator of another model site, it has always been a real pleasure to log in and read what he has been up to. He is without doubt one of the best.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 10, 2015, 05:30:35 PM
I'm back, and have had two months to think about things, and find that the only people who I have been hurting by not continuing this build are those who were enjoying it, not the persons who I had the spat with, and so I am going to restart the thread.

I won't be catching up on what I have done the last 4 months, but it was mainly fittings and a little deck work but you guys know where the threads have been continuing.............and the build starts basically now that all the fittings have been moulded, and so as soon as I have done some work on the model I'll be posting here.
but just a shot or two taken a month ago of the model as it looked before I started to get the fittings together.

(oooops, nearly forgot how to post some photos, lol {-) {-) {-) %% %% %% %% {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ )
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 10, 2015, 05:33:36 PM
however, I would prefer, Martin if the person/s who I had the spat with, please have the courtesy of NOT  posting on any of my threads again unless it is of a helpful and constructive nature, and not just waffle.

Thank you. :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Tim B. on May 10, 2015, 05:50:55 PM
I'm back

Yessssssssssss !
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on May 10, 2015, 06:16:05 PM
Quote
however, I would prefer, Martin if the person/s who I had the spat with, please have the courtesy of NOT  posting on any of my threads again unless it is of a helpful and constructive nature, and not just waffle.
Thank you.

I will second that!
Welcome back my good friend,NOW  watch the interest build up!
Mick F
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 10, 2015, 06:25:55 PM
however, I would prefer, Martin if the person/s who I had the spat with, please have the courtesy of NOT  posting on any of my threads again unless it is of a helpful and constructive nature, and not just waffle.[/size]Thank you.
I will second that!
Welcome back my good friend,NOW  watch the interest build up!
Mick F


wot on erf woz that post matey..........my eye sight is bad enough without subjecting it towritten word I cant even see, lol
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Netleyned on May 10, 2015, 07:35:21 PM
Welcome back Neil

Ned
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 10, 2015, 07:39:13 PM
cheers ned, can't keep a bad man down,  {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: wicker on May 10, 2015, 07:41:43 PM
welcome back from me too
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 10, 2015, 07:48:34 PM
thank you too charlie..........this is all very humbling., thanks.
neil.

Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Stavros on May 10, 2015, 08:08:19 PM
 NICE TO SEE YOU BACK O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
 
 
Dave
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: slinger on May 10, 2015, 08:20:14 PM
Same from me, nice to see you back Neil :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))

Graham
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 10, 2015, 08:21:43 PM
 :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 10, 2015, 08:33:05 PM
Duplicates removed.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Rottweiler on May 10, 2015, 08:37:13 PM
Duplicates removed.

 :-)) :-)) :-)) :police:
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on May 10, 2015, 11:24:57 PM
 :-)..... "had two months to think about things"   %)

Well with all that contemplation time >>:-( ...at least you could have tidied up the workshop a bit.........& wire tie that bl**dy chuck key to something special {-)........ Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 10, 2015, 11:32:34 PM
:-) ..... "had two months to think about things"   %)

Well with all that contemplation time >>:-( ...at least you could have tidied up the workshop a bit.........& wire tie that bl**dy chuck key to something special {-) ........ Derek


sorry derek but as well as the chuck key i've now lost the dyson somewhere in there, lol......daren't look...........don't know whar beastie might be lurking............lost the goldfish the other week............might have grown big teath and be lurking somewhere. %% %% %%
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 10, 2015, 11:35:21 PM
at least you could have tidied up the workshop a bit.............     


anyway...........been busy, thinking what insults i can add to my book of one liners ready for publication. {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Tug-Kenny on May 11, 2015, 11:12:54 AM

Welcome back Neil.  Have a nice time.   :-))

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 11, 2015, 01:47:08 PM
cheers Ken,


neil. :-))
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Capt Podge on May 11, 2015, 08:22:59 PM
Great to have you back on here Neil - I'm finding this build fascinating and, who knows, I might be inspired enough to try my hand at moulding, sooner rather than later.
 
Just keep it coming... :-))
 
Regards,
 
Ray.
 
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 11, 2015, 09:26:40 PM
thanks ray..........will be getting down to casting later this week.......hope to have some fittings out by weekend. neil
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 20, 2015, 02:16:49 PM
finally got down to somwe casting, and not in my usual style of looks ok, will be ok, I actually invested in a small set of digital scales that cost me 7 quid from asda. I also invested in a couple of jugs which I  marked A and B for the two resins and plenty of margarine, cream cheese and other assortment of little mixing pouring pots.
I was fed up of not mixing the exact amounts of each, giving rubbery or bubbly castings because of the imbalance of resin to hardener that I was judging by eye...........

and guess, what.............the mixes went great.

I am also using a new resin ( polyurethane none brittle) from another company and it is far less viscous that the stuff I was using from CFS and actually pours very well.........almost like water up until it goes off..........and hopefully this will help when I pour the split moulds with the large and small thin parts.

It also sets white rather than cream in colour.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Neil on May 20, 2015, 02:41:04 PM
Now then...............I have just pulled the first castings out of the  moulds........and was very very pleased with how my new resin has cast..........the replication of the small detail that I am these days capable of working at 1:43 scale is excellent.........might not please some, but I am happy with the outcome........so onwards and upwards and will now knuckle down to making the three sets needed for me and my friends, who are needing them.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: BFSMP on December 04, 2016, 03:43:29 PM


Neil sent some photos to me this morning of his Caledonian MacBrayne ferry that he was /is still building, albeit slowly at the moment.

However it took a momentous step forward yesterday when, whilst having some radio gear checked out in Cheshire, he took the hull of the boat to New Brighton and gave it a "tank Test" as he called it in the Model yacht lake on New Brighton promenade, as it is too big to fit in his bath.

He thought that those who had been watching the build in the past might like to see it taking to it's natural element after so long. And not a leak in site, but plenty of ballast needed.

I think he was exuberant and has given him the enthusiasm to overcome his lethargy and crack on with the model.

Jim.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Capt Podge on December 04, 2016, 05:36:20 PM
Thanks for posting the pics Jim, it's great to see her on the water, even without the upperworks, vehicles etc..

Hope to see it in it's completed form sometime in the not-too-distant future. :-)

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on December 04, 2016, 08:07:48 PM
Jim....please pass the remark on to Neil..... "that many are still watching"  :-))  ....

.... ok2 also that his build thread for this vessel has approx. 51 thousand views O0

Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: BFSMP on December 04, 2016, 08:29:58 PM

Jim....please pass the remark on to Neil..... "that many are still watching"  :-))  ....

.... ok2 also that his build thread for this vessel has approx. 51 thousand views O0

Derek


Where does it say that, Derek.


That is amazing. I will tell him next time I speak with him.


Jim.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: ballastanksian on December 04, 2016, 10:07:00 PM
Firstly, it amazes me that you can miss a topic despite being a member for nearly three years!

Secondly, while reading it and being inspired by the good step by step tutorial on GRP moulds and moulding, it was a roller coaster of a ride as first you left because someone was a daft biffer and then luckily for us you came back and showed us your excellent ship taking to the water  :-)) She looks lovely and cannot wait to see further progress shots.

Re tidiness, the sawdust and odds and sods help absorb spillage of tea dna resin I find :O)

How is your daughter doing at College? I hope all is well.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on December 04, 2016, 10:13:39 PM
Jim.....OK...you can tell Neil.......I will e-mail this same image to him......BTW, please ask if he has found that chuck key yet {-)..... Derek

PS....look at the top RH of the image......Read 51017 Times...... O0
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: BFSMP on December 04, 2016, 10:48:26 PM

Firstly, it amazes me that you can miss a topic despite being a member for nearly three years!

Secondly, while reading it and being inspired by the good step by step tutorial on GRP moulds and moulding, it was a roller coaster of a ride as first you left because someone was a daft biffer and then luckily for us you came back and showed us your excellent ship taking to the water  :-)) She looks lovely and cannot wait to see further progress shots.

Re tidiness, the sawdust and odds and sods help absorb spillage of tea dna resin I find :O)

How is your daughter doing at College? I hope all is well.


Sorry, Sir.


I don't think Neil is coming back, as he just wanted me to put some pictures of his model actually on the water after so long for those who had been following it, and from what Derek in Australia said previously, there were a lot.


He hasn't intimated to me that he wanted to make this a regular posting on his behalf.


I do know that he makes rare updates on two other forums though if anyone is interested in the progress.


Jim.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: BFSMP on December 04, 2016, 10:51:28 PM

Jim.....OK...you can tell Neil.......I will e-mail this same image to him......BTW, please ask if he has found that chuck key yet {-) ..... Derek

PS....look at the top RH of the image......Read 51017 Times...... O0


what chuck key was that, Derek?


This is a new one for me.


Jim.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: ballastanksian on December 04, 2016, 10:52:15 PM
That is sad  :(( I will have a look and see how things are progressing. Thanks Jim.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: BFSMP on December 04, 2016, 10:55:37 PM

That is sad  :(( I will have a look and see how things are progressing. Thanks Jim.


No problems, Ian.


Jim.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: BFSMP on June 22, 2017, 08:42:30 PM


As promised, neil has sent me photos of the finished model of his Caledonian Macbrayne ferry, MV Jupiter. he sent them to me this afternoon and asked me to post them on here for those who both followed the original build and those who thought he would never finish it.


So here it is in all it's glory.


Hope you like it.


Jim


Sorry, to have missed this acknowledgement, but he asked me to say that without Andrew Petrie allowing him to take the original hull mould off Andrew's [ Pioneer on here] plug , and without the enormous help from Dave Milbourn [aka Inertia] or all his help in setting up neil's digital radio and Voith Schneider units, he would probably never have finished the model.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Netleyned on June 22, 2017, 08:47:05 PM
Another magnificent model Neil :-))
Please pass this on to him Jim,
and thanks for posting the photos.


Ned
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: Capt Podge on June 22, 2017, 08:49:32 PM
Hello Jim - yep, I've been in the background following the build on the other Forum and I'm really glad, after all he's been through, that he found the heart to complete the model.
Please pass on my congratulations on his outstanding efforts and I look forward to his next one.

...and of course, special thanks to you for keeping it going on here as well. :-))

Best Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: derekwarner on June 22, 2017, 11:36:15 PM
Hullo Jim.....that is a very nice vessel & congratulations to your mate Neil for the completion images

Back in the year 2013, Neil kept on complaining he lost his drill chuck drill key...so I posted over a metabo keyless chuck....I wonder if was ever delivered?? :((...as the address was a little sketchy  :-X

Derek
Title: Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
Post by: BFSMP on June 22, 2017, 11:39:03 PM

Hullo Jim.....that is a very nice vessel & congratulations to your mate Neil for the completion images

Back in the year 2013, Neil kept on complaining he lost his drill chuck drill key...so I posted over a metabo keyless chuck....I wonder if was ever delivered?? :(( ...as the address was a little sketchy  :-X

Derek


I know nothing, but will ask him tomorrow.


Jim.