Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: DarrenCarter2 on August 15, 2013, 12:45:09 pm
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A bit of a joke really I listed something on here for sale and its been removed because it was on eBay where does it state in the rules it can't be on 2 websites it says it cant be duplicated which doesnt mean it cant be on multiaple websites and my comments that stated facts were removed sort it out moderators >>:-(
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Your question was correctly answered in your previous listing, see below :o :o :o
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,44392.msg448971/topicseen.html#msg448971 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,44392.msg448971/topicseen.html#msg448971)
The rules are the rules O0 O0 O0
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My eBay listing and the listing on here was completely different so that rule doesn't apply
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It states eBay listings are not to be duplicated......
Correct me if I'm wrong duplicate stands for same as
My listings on eBay and here were different there fore I didn't break any rules
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If it was for the same item then it has been duplicated.
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Oh dear, ambiguity rules. By the same token, where was the item posted first?
Perhaps the rule should state that "for the duration of the item being posted for sale on MBM, it cannot be posted on any other for sale site"
Regards Ian.
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Colin I'm sorry but that's not how that reads I have had people who aren't even in to model boats or no me that well read the rules and they even stated they don't see what i have done is a problem,
I listed it in all good faith and honesty trying to make some money as my hours have been cut at work and I'm getting married in less than a weeks time so I'm struggling for money I don't personally want to sell as I wanted one for ages but I need to put other things first,
As far as I'm concerned the rules state no duplicate of eBay listings well my item wasn't duplicate it was just listed differently maybe the rules need to be re worded because just saying duplicated means a complete copy of
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Hi Darren, from what I remember of the ad (could be wrong) you didn't mention Ebay in your post, someone else did and put the link up? Am I correct or going senile?
Paul.
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Hi Paul yes u are correct I never mentioned eBay Neil who commented did and added link to it
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YAYYYY I'm not senile!! %% %% %% %% %%
Paul..
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Darren,
It isn't a problem you have decided to overule the owner of the site in open forum.
You have been awarded a yellow card from me.
You can go study those rules closely.
Continue with this open dispute and a red card will be the next sanction.
Bob
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And u wonder why our hobby is dieing out and youngsters don't want to get involved when u have petty crap like this, I believe I am a loud to have a freedom of speech your rules need changing there not worded correctly simple
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I find that Martin is a very approachable person :} , if you had simply put your item for sale on here first saying that if not sold with 10 days or so it will go onto ebay or such auction house then there proberly would have been no query..
Rules are quite clearly worded
3. Ebay listings are not to be duplicated here without prior consent of a moderator.
You may have not put the link up but it is on ebay so therefore duplicated..
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Well done Darren you have now been awarded a red card.
This is a ban of 30 days initially.
Bob
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thank god for that.................No need for arguments when you blatantly cross the line and then challenge the rules..........If we all challenged the rules then this site would be C*** as you want to call it.
grow up, grow a backbone, admit you're wrong when, and if you finally return as a member willing to follow the rules of the club........... and enjoy what is on offer here........that's what they are there for, to keep things running smoothly.
By the way.......enjoy your wedding.
neil.
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must forgive Darren, it is stressed! %) %) %)
he will get married and get married is stressful! {:-{
he needs money! this is the beginning :((
this is just the beginning! >:-o
if it goes well it will be the woman on the back a few years.
If it goes wrong it will be the woman on the back of his life. >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( <*< <*< <*< <*< <*<
And he will never have money to buy a model! <:(
It's stressful is not it?
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I imagine he'll find more interest on Flea Bay than on Mayhem...........but a lot more rules to argue about, too!
DM
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The rules are clearly worded Long Build but it doesn't say "MBM listings are not to be duplicated on fleebay". Chicken/egg ?
The devil is in the detail, how do you think perps can wriggle out of common sense judgments?
Regards Ian
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Seems to have been busy day! {:-{
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The rules are clearly worded Long Build but it doesn't say "MBM listings are not to be duplicated on fleebay". Chicken/egg ?
The devil is in the detail, how do you think perps can wriggle out of common sense judgments?
Regards Ian
Maybe
But to come on ranting and raving with only a low number of posts were a simple email to the site Owner or mod would have solved it. :-))
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The impetuosity of youth?
I fall into the Victor Meltdown group.
Regards Ian.
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The impetuosity of youth?
I fall into the Victor Meltdown group.
Regards Ian.
so do I..................UNBELEEEEEVABEL!!!!!! %% %% %%
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{-) My wife say's I am beginning to look more and more like him every day hmmmm not sure how to take that,still I have had my rant for today feel better now,Ray. {-) {-) {-)
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so do I..................UNBELEEEEEVABEL!!!!!! %% %% %%
Sure I saw your name in an old mag the other day, Have to see if I can find the article.
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Ah falling foul....... %) %)
So it can be up to a moderator ?, what would constitute such an exceptance to have both here and ebay ?
I recently fell foul....shades of grey id say....in "MY" thread somebody wanted to sell me a boat not what i asked for...i merly pointed out he was expensive..... I got the Huge rules imploded in my post...apparently i was flaming war and scuppering his sale....i mean really !!!! if i had gone on his thread then id accept that ruling...but he came to my thread >:-o
Im also watching closely the super douper multiple sale thread, im sure someone recently got their knuckles whacked for having multiple sales in a thread starter....but yet the rules are per post %% {:-{
Saying that generally everything is nice and cosy, sometimes their are bursts of pmt going about...normally about the middle of the month ok2
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Ah falling foul....... %) %)
I recently fell foul....shades of grey id say....in "MY" thread somebody wanted to sell me a boat not what i asked for...i merly pointed out he was expensive..... I got the Huge rules imploded in my post...apparently i was flaming war and scuppering his sale....i mean really !!!! if i had gone on his thread then id accept that ruling...but he came to my thread >:-o
No as it was a question on your post and outside the sales thread IMHOP then I can't see the problem with that but would need to see the thread.. 8)
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Mayhem is a fairly unique 'snug' on the internet, some people don't get it straight away.....
It's no fun having to deal with arguments because sales go wrong hence the rules which experience has taught us .... {:-{
( grammar?)
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you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all people all of the time or some thing like that <*<
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One thing that is forgotten in all this, is,
What is the intent of the statement/rule. O0 O0 O0
Whilst you may be able to argue there is some ambiguity in wording/meaning, spelling etc, what is the intent.
Result guilty, next case please. %% %% %%
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One thing that is forgotten in all this, is,
What is the intent of the statement/rule. O0 O0 O0
Whilst you may be able to argue there is some ambiguity in wording/meaning, spelling etc, what is the intent.
Result guilty, next case please. %% %% %%
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Its no easy sometimes
I was a moderator on football manager/ champ manager forums....maybe some of you aint young enough to know what that is :P {-)
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One thing that is forgotten in all this, is,
What is the intent of the statement/rule. O0 O0 O0
Whilst you may be able to argue there is some ambiguity in wording/meaning, spelling etc, what is the intent.
Result guilty, next case please. %% %% %%
Parallel sales have caused ill feeling and arguments in the past.
We had people make an offer for an item for sale on Mayhem, only to get gazumped on ebay. Unhappiness results.
Hence the rule.
Many members have put an item up for sale on Mayhem first, to give fellow members first chance of buying. If they cannot get the sale on here, they have then remove the item from the Mayhem sales board and then put the on item on ebay.
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The sad thing about all of this is the explosion of self-righteous indignation which occurred when the would-be seller was told of his transgression. Not "Oops! Sorry! I never realised". Just a nasty, badly-spelled and ill-tempered rant which said essentially that everybody and everything was wrong except him.
This sort of attitude is sadly more prevalent these days - see the thread about dangerous cyclists.
I've been on the receiving end of it when asking a youth to put out his cigarette on the top deck of a bus; when braking sharply to avoid running over a dog (which should have been on a lead - much like its owner) and even when leaving a straightforward message on our answering machine advising callers that we had sold the business (quite what prompted the caller to tell me I was a foxtrot whisky is beyond me).
I don't know what the cause of this is and even less what the answer might be. To Darren I would say that rules are not made as a personal slight to you. Funnily enough you aren't actually that important in the greater scheme of things. Next time you feel like lashing out at someone or something just stop and ask yourself why - and also what sort of a berk you're going to look. There are four thousand people here who have pretty much that sort of impression of you already. Well done, you.
DM
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what it is that democracy? %) %) %)
it would only be wrong against 4,000 people who are right O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
it must comply with its due {:-{ >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
this is how people live without education , here , in France, it's the same
every man for himself
try holding the door for a lady, it goes without saying thank you, and whoever holds the door is an old fart
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Some appalling posts in this thread. Gloating over a person being banned is in poor taste.
All this could have been sorted out by a swift pm from a moderator.
Good luck to you Darren, I hope you sell your boat soon and you and your intended enjoy your wedding.
Alan
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There are four thousand people here who have pretty much that sort of impression of you already. Well done, you.
You speak for yourself - not the rest of us. Darran, I hope everything goes well.
BTW: You should have run the dog over, breaking heavily in a situation like that could have caused a serious accident in which humans could have been injured.
LB
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I believe I am a loud to have a freedom of speech ...
I am mindful that Darren has been banned and can't reply, so agree that some of the posts above are a bit harsh.
But no, none of us has freedom of speech here. Not here nor on most other forums. This and they are mainly owned and run by private individuals (Martin in this case) who take all the risks and responsibility. You and all of us are in his sitting room and we abide by his codes of conduct or get shown the door.
I don't agree with certain things on various forums, but if a (polite) request that they be changed is unsuccessful it's a case of live with it or walk away.
Ultimately neither being in a hurry or ignorance/not understanding the rules is an excuse to break the rules without dispensation, as any policeman pulling you for speeding will make clear.
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It seems a shame that some cannot or will not abide by the rules.
As TT has said in the past we had parallel sales on eBay and on here.
An offer was accepted on here then the eBay price shot up so seller sold on eBay.
This led to a lot of bad feeling so the rule was imposed.
Some members have been here a long time and have seen many of these "spats" which soon gain momentum when any member who has fell foul of the rules have to "have their say" in support of the original poster.
They get very boring, duplicated posts and sometimes other members getting banned as they get rather excited.
The role of the Moderator is to ensure that the Forum is run in the way that Martin (The Site Owner) wants.
If in doubt read ALL the rules of the Forum that is what they are there for.
Martin is the final arbiter and any decision can be appealed to him personally but be aware that MOST decisions are discussed with Martin and the Mods beforehand.
Bob
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none of us have the right to be on this site,
its martins and he makes the rules simple.
if you dont like martins rules then you do have the right to not to come here any more.
we all like and love this site with martins blessing
the rule is ok coz its applyed to every one and all the time.
which part of this do members not understand.
Regards Howard.
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Yeah Howard! The Forum is my 'living room', so to speak! ;D
NB: The mods are a lot like Swans behind the scenes ... and are only on a small retainer of $65,000 per annum. O0
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Yeah Howard! The Forum is my 'living room', so to speak! ;D
NB: The mods are a lot like Swans behind the scenes ... and are only on a small retainer of $65,000 per annum. O0
OOOOH can I be one then please.
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a mod I mean, not a swan {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Interesting analogy
The swans i know are overly grumpy, awkward and unfriendly......yet when they are 20 feet away seem quite graceful and gay ok2
lol
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gay
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Regards Ian
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Gay: (old money) Having or showing a merry, cheerful, happy-go-lucky, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music.
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65,000 dollars a year :o
I think it is expensive per kilo
is a moderator, not a pretty girl :kiss:
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%% $65k a year WOW I think I will give up knitting Shreddies and come and join you,Ray. %% %% %%
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That's what they pay Martin to be in his Gang %% %% %%
Ned
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we'll get everyone to agree, I come to 64,000 and I do my food
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Martin is making things sound better than they are. >:-o $65,000 is only about £41,500. <:( Not so good now, is it. >>:-(
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Martin is making things sound better than they are. >:-o $65,000 is only about £41,500. <:( Not so good now, is it. >>:-(
It is if you live down under in Oz O0 O0 :-)) :-))
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But like our jolly MP's we of course enjoy expenses at least twice our salary to keep a country pile near Wicksteed in case we do attend the Mayhem Weekend.
First Class travel to and from Martins Meetings and of course a decent hotel for the night and rented limo.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww then I wake up!!!!!
Bob
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I'll still take it please........ %) %) %) %) %) %)
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I'll still take it please........ %) %) %) %) %) %)
So will I. My pay cheques must go missing in the mail {-)
Peter.
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>:-o
curious! 41500 £
there is always a guy who rocks the house
soon we'll have to give money
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Hey! I get a free trip to China any time I want.
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Disappointingly.... :(( I see both members & moderators changing what was a serious WEB point ruling into fun & games laugh show......... >>:-( .........Derek
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Agreed....Humour is often used to divert attention from difficult situations that could have been avoided.
Alan
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I also agree the way to defuse a sense situation is with a laugh,sometimes people take themselves too seriously and we all need to lighten up at times,I like a lot of Mayhemers like the funny topics as well as the more informative posts, long be it as it is at present,happy sailing everybody,Ray :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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The best way this situation could have been avoided would have been for the original poster not to have challenged the rules in the first place. The rules are there because Martin, the site owner, set them, and the moderators uphold them. Martin has explained why he introduced the rule in question, and any further discussion is quite unnecessary. Any resulting light hearted banter should not be a cause for concern to anyone.
Peter.
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on a forum talking about serious things
the model is a serious thing
but it is a hobby
too serious modeler is not fun
and we are the model for fun
I love the English designers exhibitions because I always have fun a lot. I've made some good friends. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:
And Martin is there to put a good atmosphere with his good character and beautiful shirts :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
As this forum :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Laugh that's life and he who does not laugh is sad (the truth) <:(
poor sad
Laughter is the right way to enjoy life. O0