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Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: regiment on August 20, 2013, 07:54:14 pm
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in todays newspaper petrol up by 5 p a ltrie by the end of the month. so to frack or not to frack .that is the question i am not really bothered at 82 and 6 mths plenty for me
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That's fracking bad news {-)
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They can frack away as much as they like on Budgie Towers estate.
LB
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Fracking wont cut the cost of fuel, the only thing to cut fuel cost would be to lower the fuel tax , tax makes up most of the cost
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Hi All
Well maybe after next Sept. Englandshire could be paying £ 10.00 plus a gallon , >>:-(
Timo2
P.S. What will happen to the Blue Bit on the " Union Jack " ( you will have to take then OFF ) {-) {-)
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Yeah happy days. The monkey off our back at last!! Hopefully it will be a yes vote and if it isn't well we can have a rerun for England to vote for independence.
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In OZ....this "fracking" to bring natural gas to ground level is causing serious debate.......
The against vote maintain it will damage the water table & ruin cropping land....Australia may be large in size, but has a very small % of land suitable for cropping
Not only that ...we see documentary evidence in the media of a woman turning on her kitchen sink tap & then igniting the gas in solution in the water
The fore vote suggest that if the gas is left untapped, Australia will run out of [gas] energy within 6 months %%
What do the Pollies think......... >>:-( we have just signed a contract to supply Japan with enough LNG for 50 years at GIVE away prices <*< ....................Derek
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I would think that most of you are talking third hand about this .......sadly here in Carleton we are just 3 miles as the crow flies from one of the main fracking sites in the UK, and have already suffered a greater % rise in earth tremors to what is normal for this area................and what has this idiot government said.................it's harmless.............you'll benefit when the gas prices go down............
trouble is, if it continues, we won't have decent houses to live it.......they'll be full of subsidence cracks and unsaleable...........count yerselves lucky if the fracking question is only a talking point with you....
we are living with the practicality already.........and not a single protester to be seen.......why....because it's not in the suberbs of London, and we are forgotten up here.
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...we see documentary evidence in the media of a woman turning on her kitchen sink tap & then igniting the gas in solution in the water
This has been completely disproved as being a result of fracking but it suits people to pretend that it is. Unfortunately a lot of people are very gullible and believe anything they are told,
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This has been completely disproved as being a result of fracking but it suits people to pretend that it is. Unfortunately a lot of people are very gullible and believe anything they are told,
I would love to know who completely disproved the origins of these visible by products of fracking, Colin.....maybe scientists (although totally independent I'm sure %% %% ) employed by the companies involved in fracking or governments taking back handers from such companies...........
However, sadly your words are of little comfort or re assurance to those of us that live in close proximity to Cuadrilla drilling rigs as I am, and are suffering already from problems proven to be results of this misguided attempt to find another source of none reusable energy.
as the old saying says........"you can fool some of the people all of the time!!!!!"
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Cuadrilla says that it is in Britains best interests to allow fracking..............In who's best interests.............certainly not mine, yours or any other member on this forum...............we won't see any benefits........just as we saw no benefits of North sea oil or gas........the only ones who benefitted from that were the big power companies and the government..
Just as Cuadrilla said that my local area would benefit from the storage of billions of cubic feet of gas in underground disused salt mines in the over wyre area......making this area a potential bomb on a magnitude of 100 Hiroshima neukes..............
So please don't imply that people who don't want this are gullible just because they don't digest what miscreants who bend the evidence put forward in support of fracking try to impose........may be it's those who believe it's not harmfull to the environment are the gullible ones.............I don't want it in my back yard...........if you do, let them dig up Surrey, but don't force it on those who don't by calling them gullible and not knowing what it involves..... I find that a little insulting from a man as educated as you are. <*<
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Disappointed to read such comment suggesting as an open & shut case which "has been completely disproved" >>:-(
The following Australian ABC 4 Corners program highlight's various concerns.....
I have relatives living in Appin which is approx. 18 km from Wollongong on a low plateau and the area is now being subjected to fracking.........
These families have lived in the area originally as timber [cedar] cutters for 175 years.....the methane in the water is a new occurrence
I have seen methane gas burning in ground water in a similar manner as shown here........Derek
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CE0QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2F4corners%2Fstories%2F2013%2F04%2F01%2F3725150.htm&ei=LwEUUuKIIu60iQf3gYHQDg&usg=AFQjCNFlFJhbl_5zi4gvUkokOSTY3ydx3A&sig2=ziT8uhCN0pYnRq3o9wEoww (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CE0QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2F4corners%2Fstories%2F2013%2F04%2F01%2F3725150.htm&ei=LwEUUuKIIu60iQf3gYHQDg&usg=AFQjCNFlFJhbl_5zi4gvUkokOSTY3ydx3A&sig2=ziT8uhCN0pYnRq3o9wEoww)
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Most of the coal seam gas (CSG) exploration and mining areas in Australia, where fracking is carried out, are in relatively unpopulated regions. The main concern, as Derek pointed out, is the risk of contamination of the underground water supply, which a lot of rural Australia depends on. The problem for the layman is that both sides of the argument are telling lies when it suits them, so it's very difficult to make a well informed decision. I simply don't know enough to decide. It doesn't affect me directly as there are no CSG fields anywhere near me, but I do understand the concerns of those who could be affected.
I think that many of those opposed to CSG are doing so simply because they don't know enough, and are taking the approach that it is better to be safe than sorry.
Derek, seeing methane gas burning in ground water is a little different to seeing it coming out of a household tap. Most reticulated water has been stored in some kind of storage facility - tank or dam, etc - and has been filtered or otherwise treated. I would think that these processes would remove any possible chance of the gas entering household pipes.
Peter.
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Peter.......the video of the woman lighting her kitchen sink tap water was I believe also from an ABC program some 12 months ago...I searched, but could not find it
To my mind, the ABC 4 Corners episode portrayed a balanced view of the situation....as Aunty always does....... O0 .....Derek
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8
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Not only that ...we see documentary evidence in the media of a woman turning on her kitchen sink tap & then igniting the gas in solution in the water
you scare me
I light a cigarette in the toilet
and the explosion can throw me into heaven? :-))
this woman is a witch, I see her broom against the wall {:-{
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I said that the instance reported has been completely disproved and a fraud. Plenty of confirmation in the more respectable papers and online such as:
Fracking will cause your tap water to catch fire.
The movie, Gasland, set this rumor ablaze. One particular scene shows a man lighting the water pouring from his kitchen faucet. The fact is tap water could be lit on fire long before fracking came about due to naturally occurring methane pockets in the ground. If your water comes from a well and the drilling was done poorly, you stand a chance of having flammable water. Investigators later checked (http://washingtonexaminer.com/gasland-powers-big-green-myth-making-about-fracking/article/39926) the man’s house and found the methane in his water was due to the way his well was drilled, fracking played no role. Additionally, when the filmmaker was confronted by the director of the pro-fracking film FrackNation (http://fracknation.com/about/) about why he failed to mention the fact that tap water could be lit on fire regardless of fracking, he claimed the information “wasn’t relevant.”
There is lots of stuff under the earth which seeps up quite naturally, radon gas in Dartmoor for example which is slightly radioactive and can collect under buildings. Methane commonly reaches the surface in various parts of the world and can be ignited where it emerges. The Orcacle at Delphi was emitting inflammable methane from the water back in ancient times but I doubt if the Greeks went in for fracking very much in those days.
There was an article in one of the more accurate newspapers recently giving a more balanced view of the process. On one hand we have people saying the process is perfectly safe and then there is the mass hysteria predicting the end of the world being put out by the meeja and tabloids. Rumour is being quoted as fact and the whole thing is out of hand.
I live just 35 minutes drive from Balcombe where the rent-a- mob is currently in residence and I can report that we have experienced no earthquakes whatsoever so far. Anyway, the company is drilling for oil not fracking and we have a number of small oil wells over the South of England, particularly in Dorset, which have been going for years with no noticeable environmental impact.
I'm afraid it just irritates me when people credulously repeat things without doing a bit of checking the facts.
I'm sure there are risks associated with fracking and they need to be assessed and managed but the quality of debate on here is not going to help very much in that respect.
Colin
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http://www.watershedsentinel.ca/content/fracking-natural-gas-affects-water-quality (http://www.watershedsentinel.ca/content/fracking-natural-gas-affects-water-quality)
Drilling for oil and gas is one thing. Pumping fluid down the hole to create damage to extract gas is something else entirely. Along with the gas (which is just another fossil hydrocarbon) really dirty water is also extracted, and needs to be put somewhere. While it can be theoretically separated and re-used, some will escape and directly pollute the surface water. While it is claimed by the authorities that those who will profit from the process that "its over a mile down, it can't possibly have an effect on ground water" there is no hard evidence to show that it does not rise once disturbed.
Like Neil, I live just a few miles away from the Singleton fracking site, and also have lived here over 60 years. I have heard of 2 earth tremors locally in that time, both since the start of testing. An odd coincidence.
Some interesting reading, if a bit dry, here - [size=78%]http://www.counterbalance.org.uk/recent/frackwat.htm (http://www.counterbalance.org.uk/recent/frackwat.htm)[/size]
It seems that we will get fracking whatever - there is money to be passed around, planning authorities will be told what decisions to reach, and will be denied any means of policing the results.
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:o .....disappointingly I read more of an interesting observation & a twist on a turn offered by Mr Bishop here earlier today.....
"but I doubt if the Greeks went in for fracking very much in those days" ........
<*< ..........Derek
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It's a sobering thought, the population of the UK increased by 419000 in a single year 2011-2012. and with this single trend a greater demand for energy . We are decommissioning old coal fired power generators with out direct replacement to comply with our EU obligation to tackle climate change which presently accounts for 43% of our energy needs ,The UK has 16 reactors generating about 21% of our energy needs and all but one of these will be retired by 2023. , we are increasing our levels year on year of imported natural gas from unpredictable and unstable supplies which along with our own diminishing supplies accounts for approximately 25% of energy production and renewable energy accounts for 11% . Although there has been record investment in North Sea Oil UK sector the value and production is falling year on year. So how do we keep the lights on?
Bowwave
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Re treating mucky water, the company at the bottom of my garden will be rubbing their hands, they already make a lot from a chemical that allows you to get two pints of water into a pint glass. (Same stuff babies nappies are loaded with to stop "Leaks")
Gas in water lines? At times of heavy rainfall we suffer from the opposite, water in the gas lines puts my neighbours central heating out.
Regards Ian.
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but the quality of debate on here is not going to help very much in that respect.
Colin
Only in your opinion Colin, ????
think the level of and maturity towards the debate has gone reasonably well so far!!......or am I one of the gullibles you talk about.
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Methane is odourless, tasteless and lighter than air, therefore, it rises and dilutes readily in atmosphere. It is very difficult to detect. The smell we associate with our piped natural gas is deliberately added to make escapes easier to detect.
Our defunct coal industry accepted methane as a routine hazard and the mines contined. There was no outcry concerning subsidence which was also a risk in mining areas. At the time the risks associated with our mining industry were accepted since the benefits were for the common good.
Can we afford not to frack? I don't think we have any choice but to gain expertise in this new industry and take the benefits for the common good. The risks at each potential operating site obviously need to be carefully assessed.
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that's fine perkasaman.......but I now stand tall and say I'm a NIMBY
you want it, you allow it where you live and when the cracks in the houses start to appear, don't blame me for the dive in their resale prices.
neil.
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do not know what is worse fracking or wind turbines.. got our fare share here in cornwall.. half the time not working. so here hoping the children of today have plenty of candles might need them
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I must confess to being light on what is involved in the whole process . I prefer balanced analysis to rhetoric but this article is well worth a read it is balanced and pulls no punches but like all processes there are risks and advantages , http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/343202/description/The_Facts_Behind_the_Frack (http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/343202/description/The_Facts_Behind_the_Frack)
Bowwave
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do not know what is worse fracking or wind turbines..
Well I know which one costs us a fortune even if they are not working >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
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Just a simple question.
When digging coal the thickness of the seams is pretty well known....as is the depth they'll be found at. That is, to about 3000ft.
Similarly with oil fields (except that men don't go down and dig it out), but don't they tend to be deeper than coal seams? After all, the oil fields used to be coal seams at one time.
The question....if these gas bearing strata are at or deeper underground than oil fields, is there any way their actual depth of strata can be measured? After all, if the layer is only a few feet deep and over a mile underground, I for one can't imagine much, if any, surface disturbance. BY.
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Don't forget that Devon and Cornwall have their own problems associated with Radon.
Don't worry lads, some Doylen in the Lords stated that "There's plenty of desolate landscape in North Yorkshire" for the frakkers. %)
Regards Ian.
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If I recall correctly the Coal Boards and individual house insurance covered the liabilities of building damage due to subsidence. Legal searches were and are routinely required of Coal Board records when properties were/are bought/sold in localities where underground work was known to have been carried out. The northeast of England as well as other areas are honeycombed by such workings but life goes on. As far as I can tell fracking does not involve removing strata underground as in the case of mining. Cracks in buildings can be caused by a very large number of factors. Hence the modern practice of building house and flats on concrete rafts or bases. I think that there is a lot of scare mongering in evidence and some reactions border on near hysteria.
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Don't forget that Devon and Cornwall have their own problems associated with Radon.
Don't worry lads, some Doylen in the Lords stated that "There's plenty of desolate landscape in North Yorkshire" for the frakkers. %)
Regards Ian.
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I were in the Frackers Arms in Goathland last weekend %%
Ned
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:-)) Just remember when there is a lot of money to be made common sense goes out the window,I don't trust the lot of them.Ray. :-)) :-)) :-))
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The powers that be have a knee jerk reaction
to the Euro rats.
Put Solar Cells on your roof. Yeah what's happened to that?
Wind Farms Shall we or shan't we?
Fracking Now that's a good idea for now.
They have a rethink, pull the funding and carry on
propping up the Ferrari sales to Bongo Bongo Land.
Ned
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I have a fair idea what happened to the PV solar cells - When I had a visit and got a look at the spreadsheet that the rep hoped to amaze me with, the figures just didn't add up even before the government tightened its fist. Basically, it showed the income from the system starting a year early, which skewed the figures enormously. Probably basically over-optimistic, as well. Technology will move on with the things, reducing costs of the units and installation, and no doubt their efficiency, but it hasn't happened yet.
With fracking, if it was a case that the shale beds were beneath the stockbroker belt, and the people who were going to take the benefit were actually taking the physical risk and were happy to do so, no problem. If the country actually benefits, win. If the entire crowd vanishes down a hole in the world or chokes on foul water, no great loss, almost a win. And that Doylen in the Lords didn't know the difference between the North West and North East. He said it was a slip of the tongue, but I suspect that the only slip was revealing that the group who order our lives collectively couldn't find their own backsides without a road map and a mirror. Somebody else's, maybe, but not their own.
A mine has a finite amount of removed void, and is very specifically known for any area where it exists. Unexpected subsidence still happens.
With fracking, nobody has a clue what size and shape hole in the underworld is going to be created. With mines, there is an established framework to deal with problems. No such thing with fracking, but there is every likelihood that there will be a heck of a lot of denial paths for the commercial interests to enable them to avoid paying for the damage that they will have created. As long as the money people are not touched, they will not give a hoot about the ruination of the lives of people at the bottom of the pile.
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WELL SAID MALCOLM, WELL SAID :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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:o ..I think Malcolm should be nominated for a miniature literary Pulitzer Prize O0 for that short but succinct exposé .......
I particularly like the bit..... "somebody else's, maybe".... :embarrassed: ........................Derek
PS...just thinking...if we have a Master Class build folder here on Mayhem......could the Moderators not consider a Master exposé folder with the award being the Mayhem Wurlitzer Prize.....
Tug Kenny would certainly be familiar with the Wurlitzer {-) {-)
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Peter.......the video of the woman lighting her kitchen sink tap water was I believe also from an ABC program some 12 months ago...I searched, but could not find it
To my mind, the ABC 4 Corners episode portrayed a balanced view of the situation....as Aunty always does....... O0 .....Derek
Derek, the good old ABC has a history of presenting biased views on controversial news stories in recent times, and have been caught out twisting, or even falsifying the facts to suit their needs.
Peter.
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And just to add fuel to the fire (Arrrrrrrrr) The frackin companies can't guarantee to employ UK workers %)
Regards Ian.
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Strangely fracking becomes a controversial issue yet shale gas extraction has been around for many years. The extraction of coal has been the course of many deaths directly or indirectly and remains a big problem in areas that suffer from subsidence issues through old deep level mines plus so called unacceptable levels of CO2 yet we still use coal . Oil extraction and transport is one of the single biggest issues for the environment asks BP. Renewables especially on shore wind farms is a growing issue for environmental pollution and damage to wildlife especially bird migration patterns which over a period of time may have a serious impact on agriculture. Hydro generation alters water courses and has an impact on fishing and land erosion. Nuclear has the potential to destroy the environment completely yet we need to replace our existing stations. All of our power generation has risks and we except those risks so we can heat our houses, drive our cars and take part in this very discussion. Personally IF the science is right and the method of extraction carried out in accordance with the science then fracking should pose no more of a risk than any other form of energy production .
Bowwave
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Someone care to remind me of the name of the water pumping station that exploded in the Ribble valley area some years ago, killing several people and seriously injuring others from a party of visitors to the station. The cause was, oh yes, a build up of methane!
LB
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Abbeystead
sadly one of our member's Uncle was killed in the explosion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbeystead_disaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbeystead_disaster)
neil.
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The cause was, oh yes, a build up of methane!
LB
Which seeped into pipework, - from mine workings.
Regards Ian.
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As far as I can see, the the disadvantages of fracking have been grossly over exagerated by the fluffy bunny brigade, The tremours in the Fylde aere, were at 2M, which is more than usual, typically, they will be iM or less. When the coal industry was in full swing much larger tremours were felt in Lancashire and yorkshire than will be ever produced by fracking. I for one, want to be able to keep warm in years to come, regardless of cost, we need energy security here in the UK, and with the wat things are going in the Middle East at the moment, I think the sooner we have energy security and independence the better.
Inof re fracking fro Birtish Geological Survey website...http://earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/research/earthquake_hazard_shale_gas.html
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Quote from the link - "Magnitudes of the earthquakes during hydraulic fracture stimulation in reservoirs such as the Barnett Shale are typically less than 1 ML. This suggests that the earthquake activity observed at Preese Hall is rather unusual."
[/size]So, the fact that test fracks produce bigger quakes than expected, what was expected was larger than an "allowable maximum", and production fracking must, by its nature, be more active, is not a worry?
[/size]The production companies do not have a good environmental reputation without very solid regulation in place, and there isn't any at the moment. The powers that be, sitting in comfort well away from the everyday reality of most of us, will be telling the local planning authorities what to approve, but these authorities will, at the moment, have no power to check on what is actually happening until well after the event, and even then, the burden of proof is no longer with the company, but with the injured parties.
[/size]Quite apart from inducing tremors, there is the bigger question of the toxic slurry which is going to be produced. Worldwide, there are plenty of recorded instances of groundwater being polluted and rendered unfit for irrigation of crops or the use of livestock. Contrary to common belief, our food does not originate on supermarket shelves, it comes from crops and livestock. Anybody bought any Knott End cockles lately? Of course not, those beds were poisoned by outflow from the Hillhouse PVC plant many years ago, and it's likely to be another 20 years before the mercury works its way out of that bit of the ecosystem. The answer to that was to truck the contaminated slurry over to the salt mines and pumpit back down there, forming a closed cycle. If the same were to happen with fracking slurry, there is doubt that, if the trucks were to run on methane, there would be any left over for sale.
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Typeface too small to read, how does one make it bigger?
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Just enlarge it...... O0 this is the first line.........Derek
Magnitudes of the earthquakes during hydraulic fracture stimulation in reservoirs such as the Barnett Shale are typically less than 1 ML. This suggests that the earthquake activity observed at Preese Hall is rather unusual."
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Thanks Derek, How did you do that, I had to copy and paste it to word....
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Here is the last line Nick.........enlarged through this WEB site text options........not sure about the intermediate lines........ :D the actual text is from Malcolm............etc........Derek
Quite apart from inducing tremors, there is the bigger question of the toxic slurry which is going to be produced. Worldwide, there are plenty of recorded instances of groundwater being polluted and rendered unfit for irrigation of crops or the use of livestock. Contrary to common belief, our food does not originate on supermarket shelves, it comes from crops and livestock. Anybody bought any Knott End cockles lately? Of course not, those beds were poisoned by outflow from the Hillhouse PVC plant many years ago, and it's likely to be another 20 years before the mercury works its way out of that bit of the ecosystem. The answer to that was to truck the contaminated slurry over to the salt mines and pumpit back down there, forming a closed cycle. If the same were to happen with fracking slurry, there is doubt that, if the trucks were to run on methane, there would be any left over for sale.
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Why thank you Derek, I am, however, not blind, 14point would have been fine......
Size has now been reduced
Ken
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Sorry about that - it looked OK before I left it and pressed enter. There has been a few occasions lately where spurious resizes have crept in, usually a small size difference, this time to the smallest legally possible. Redone the right size.
Quote from the link - "Magnitudes of the earthquakes during hydraulic fracture stimulation in reservoirs such as the Barnett Shale are typically less than 1 ML. This suggests that the earthquake activity observed at Preese Hall is rather unusual."
So, the fact that test fracks produce bigger quakes than expected, what was expected was larger than an "allowable maximum", and production fracking must, by its nature, be more active, is not a worry?
The production companies do not have a good environmental reputation without very solid regulation in place, and there isn't any at the moment. The powers that be, sitting in comfort well away from the everyday reality of most of us, will be telling the local planning authorities what to approve, but these authorities will, at the moment, have no power to check on what is actually happening until well after the event, and even then, the burden of proof is no longer with the company, but with the injured parties.
Quite apart from inducing tremors, there is the bigger question of the toxic slurry which is going to be produced. Worldwide, there are plenty of recorded instances of groundwater being polluted and rendered unfit for irrigation of crops or the use of livestock. Contrary to common belief, our food does not originate on supermarket shelves, it comes from crops and livestock. Anybody bought any Knott End cockles lately? Of course not, those beds were poisoned by outflow from the Hillhouse PVC plant many years ago, and it's likely to be another 20 years before the mercury works its way out of that bit of the ecosystem. The answer to that was to truck the contaminated slurry over to the salt mines and pump it back down there, forming a closed cycle. If the same were to happen with fracking slurry, there is doubt that, if the trucks were to run on methane, there would be any left over for sale.
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I have memories of Preesall as my Grandparents
retired there when my Grandfather retired from
the City of Manchester police force.
I didn't connect it with the fracking controversy
until reading these posts.
Ned
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As Malcolm notes......"There has been a few occasions lately where spurious resizes have crept in"....& this is exactly what happened when I posted
Despite numerous attempts...... <*< the system would not let me resize the text down.......................this is not the first time I have experienced a text font sizing/colouring glitch........
Now that the original text is available, possibly a Moderator could delete my large font size postings .....Derek
Now done
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Nick.......that word .....[/b][/font]appearingat the end of my text indicates some sort of embedded error in the original posted version
This sounds similar to that as explained by Malcolm.......as I too am not blind....... %) .........Derek
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We are getting a lot of this lately.
I have put it down to the various devices that folks use to post their letter with. I have often been tempted to Edit the extra words out of the posts but felt it might have been misconstrued as interfering.
I will from now on be removing the words "Font" from posts. Any questions then you only have to ask. :}
I might add that before posting it's always a good idea to PREVIEW the post before sending it. I always do, as my spilling is not up much.
Cheers
Ken
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Thanks Ken, you are a font of knowledge %% %%....
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My pleasure.
I do like an easy to read site. %)
Ken
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Another view on protesting fracking (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/23/friday-funny-fracking-protestors-and-their-petro-sourced-belongings/). I am neither for nor against as yet but do believe we are leaping into a territory where the results of our actions are still not fully understood...
Smithsonian articles (http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/smartnews/2013/03/oklahomas-biggest-ever-earthquake-was-likely-man-made/) content makes some interesting reading.
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Earth tremors off the Fylde Coast today <*< <*< <*<
Ned
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But this is stated by those who know best that this was half way across the Irish Sea, many miles away from the fracking area. Honest, Guv.