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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: B.B on August 25, 2013, 06:47:12 am
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Hi there , the photo's I will be putting up are of a 50' trawler that was based in our home port of Brunswick heads N.S.W Aust, back in the 60's to early 70's. The original vessel was built by K.F.Barlow's Boat Building Yard in Ballina N.S.W, Iv'e never been able to obtain the plans for her, so with a few photo's of her (and bit of memory {:-{ )I drew plans up trying to get as close as I could .
The first photo is getting set up, the next of the stern section (I couldn't put the shaft and rudder stock in at this stage as I didnt have them) next photo cutting the frames out with a jigsaw (all my model gear Band saw ,sanders etc are back in my home town of Byron Bay, staying near Cairns N.QLD at present, so have had to purchase few cramps etc to be able to do this build ).next showing the shape of all the frames, then frames in position, and the last is fairing the frames ( so no highs and lows) before starting the planking......
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BB....that brings back an interesting name....."K.F.Barlow's Boat Building Yard in Ballina" ...it was on the river on the town side behind the Pub......about 30 years ago I considered [with a colleague] a 1/2 share in purchasing the business which included the slipway & associated slipway work etc
I got cold feet as it was TOO good to be true :o ....... my colleague purchased the yard & from memory a few years later went broke <:( .......... Derek
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Hi Derek you probably did the right thing as the slipway part of it had fallen into disrepair not enough business with the decline in boats and as you would know all the rules and regulations (like eveything in our lovely country a nanny state ) can't even dredge the build up of silt in any slipways ,to many greenies and do gooders these days,they ended up filling the slipway section in, the people who eventually bought it built the Chanderely section of it up and then moved out to the Industrial area in larger premices retaining the Barlow name ....
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HI BB
LOOKS great
subscribed :-))
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BB.....the name Mike Swift ...may answer some questions.........I think Mike relocated from the river to the industrial park .....over the river further up & to the left ...when driving north O0 ..
Last I knew....Mike was working for SANTOS...........Derek
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This is gonna be good!
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Thanks Bob and Martin I hope the Forum enjoys viewing it.... :-) ......
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Hi back again, I forgot to mention the model is 1:16 scale 3/4"=1' giving her a length of 37 1/2".
1st photo shows the hollow heal and deadwood section with the garbad planks attached, letting the 2nd and 3rd plank take a natural curve around the frames and slightly up, then further back on those 2 planks cutting a slot in the bottom of each plank away to nothing at the ends, to allow for the stealer plank to fill this area, same at the bow with these planks,(this is how we plank the Real deal), next photo of S.b side with one of the stealer planks ready to be fitted, notice the shape of the front of the plank, (we normally attach a butt block on the inside of the hull in between the ribs), but on the model I have it fixed to the frame (easier to glue). I just use super glue, have done for years never had any troubles with it, except when I have glued my finger or fingers, then you break out in a cold sweat while trying to twist it around trying to get unstuck :embarrassed: . The bow photo shows sections of planking around her belly and along the main deck level, I then average each plank out between each section to be filled, so that each plank will be wider around the middle section of the model , and the bow and stern ends of the planks will be tapered, that way you won't end up with any feathered end planks (running away to nothing or wedge shape).
Next photo shows last plank being attached in to fill the original gap I had,last photo is of the hull 3/4 planked, taking shape....( well back to the shed)...
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Lookin' great :-)) I'll be watchin' this one.
Mark
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Great build, BB :-))
As a matter of interest, one of our club members, who was one of the founders, and original president of the club, is Peter Barlow. He's a member of the family that ran the slipway for many years, and worked there for a while as a young lad. Another club member also worked at the slipway for several years.
Keep the photos coming O0
Peter.
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Hi there Peter, I had seen some of Peter's models in the local paper over the years ,I was told by someone ? that he was from a diferent Barlow family , thanks for that info now I know he is related to Kieth Barlow.
When you first welcomed me to Mayhem Peter I said I would make contact with you when I got back ( to the best area on the coast) I haven't made it back there yet, would be good to meet up with you when I finally get back, cheers.......
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Superb craftmanship!!!!! :-))
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Thanks guy's
the next photo's are starting to install the ribs in the bow section, then my cheap steamer, after steaming (half boiling half steaming) I would cramp them in position ,left them over night , then glued them into the hull, then a stern and bow view of the model.
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You're welcome any time, Brian. I've moved back to our farm at Wyrallah, but still go to every sail day when I'm home (we are in Hervey Bay at the moment) and, because I'm the model boat club president, I go to the monthly meetings at the Ballina RSL club.
The build is a credit to you O0 What sort of timber are you using?
Peter.
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Hi Peter, thanks for that, sounds like you are away with your caravan, the planking and decking is all Lime wood I get it from Modellers-Shipyard and other bits and pieces from Float-a-Boat, and with the help and advice from Bob (Old Shrimper) the motor etc from Cornwall Model Boats, which is on its way (well I hope it is :-)) )........
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This is proper modelling. Well done. :-))
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Hi there, some more photo's of the build (excuse any spelling mistakes as I haven't mastered hoe the Spell Check works :embarrassed: ) this is my second attempt to send this off, I lost it all so here go's again {:-{ . The first photo shows fillers between the ribs, and extra blocks (probably bit of an over kill) so as I have no void areas when drilling holes for the staunchon post pegs, then the Deck cover strip, which will have the holes for the staunchon post, I know you normally have a square staunchon hole but as of yet I haven't been able to find a square drill bit ;) , slowly the staunchon post being installed, because of the size of the post I have used tooth picks for the pegs ( when I have larger staunchon post I file the ends to a dowel shape which makes a stronger post)Once I have all the staunchons in position I attach the first bullwark plank with it's scuppers already shaped which strengthens it up, no worries of accidently breaking a post off, the last photo shows a space one of a few stealers which will go in so as you don't end up with planks flying high around the shoulder of the raise deck area, and being cut off with feathered edge planks ,then relying on the top sponson to hold it all together, sorry if Iv'e rambled on (will only send half the photos this time and the other half strait after ?????).....
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Hi sending the other 5 photos to go with the previous print
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Hi there, some more photo's of the build (excuse any spelling mistakes as I haven't mastered hoe the Spell Check works (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/embarrassed.gif) )
It's quite easy really. When you click on spell chick it shows the letter with the mis-spelt word highlighted {-)
Ken
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Hi Ken , I have the red line under the word Iv'e tried right clicking on it, like with my emails and it gives you the right spelling (is it suppose to do some thing like that????)
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Don't right click but choose to click the spell check box. It offers suggestions. You can choose to acceptor or ignore. When all the spelling is correct it says so, then your ready to post.
Hope this helps
Ken
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Ok I'll try that, thanks for that...
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love the detail BB
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Brian,
Do I detect a carpentry/wood background or is it that you have just dome this all before.
Looking good :-)) :-)) :-))
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RAAArtyGunner ....it's also the speed of the build.....amazing O0
But I reckon he must buy that horrid GLUE >>:-( in 5 litre drums.........but couldn't see any evidence of it on the bench...........
One question BB....will you glass the hull externals & internals?........... %) Derek
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Hi guys, have been around boats all my life and helped my Father build a 68' prawn trawler in the late 70's and have been fishing on our boats in the Gulf Of Carpentaria and refitting them ( jack of all trades master of none)up untill midd 09 when we sold our last boat, I have made a few models over the years while at sea ,but this is the first build in 7-8 yrs. Not that fast, started this build at the start of June, the motor and electrics arrived from Cornwall Model boats 2day ,I can see why every one installs or pre fits the running gear before the deck gos on. With the glue (Selleys Super Glue)what glue do you guys use, hopfully I am on my last one now at 62 tubes, I wasn't game to ask Bunnings if they would sell it in the box as they would think I was a habitual glue sniffer %% , nearly forgot ,yes I have put 2 coats of Fibreglass resin inside , none on outside just oil base enamels.......
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BB.. all sort of as expected.......brilliant building skills.....& good to see our OZ spirit accepted %%
I have a personal dislike for superglue >>:-( .......[1986 new SUPER glue from USA locks the eye of Australian naval defence supervisor] <*<
Polyurethane glues have been my choice over conventional PVA [white glue].........
Keep the build images flowing.....you are doing a great job ...... :-)) Derek[/color]
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Hi there Derick I presume you can get from Bunnings? I never use PVA glue as its not what you call waterproof. Will put some more photos of the build up, first photo getting an even inside line around the raise deck cover strip,and for my decking pitch seams I using a plastic cover off a folder, just have to make sure you sand both sides well for the glue to stick, then starting on the raise deck area, and fitting the last decking filler before skimming off the plastic strips, then a view of the raise deck with a light coat of estapol (when I say light coat I like to thin the first coat of estapol or varnish with turps, sinks in and drys fast for a base especially when using undercoats etc )next photos are of the main deck area, and then start of the false deck area at the stern as to be able to get to the steering gear, and decking the false deck, the last photo showing bits n pieces for the start of the wheel house frame........will send photos in couple of post.
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2nd lot of photos
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FANTASTIC work!!!! I wish I could build my models as clean and highquality as you can! :-))
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I use ZAP superglue (cyanoacrylate or CA), in both the thin and thick forms. It's available from most model shops or can be bought on-line. Exterior grade PVA is fine too, but I always coat the inside of the hull with resin to waterproof it, and often the outside too. I have never had a problem with water affecting the wood but, when you think about it, unlike full sized boats, our models are only in the water for a very short time.
Peter.
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FANTASTIC work!!!! I wish I could build my models as clean and highquality as you can! :-))
you aren't the only one, you should see the rest of his collection
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Thanks there Missyd, hi Peter is the ZAP super glue you use pretty much the same as what I'm using ?, the cheapest place I,ve been able to purchase it is at Bunnings in a double pack at $3.78.
Well here's some more photos, the first is work or play area, this is a good example of why you don't throw any thing away,well most things, my 2 work benchs are the old solar panels we took off the house last year ,one sitting on an old burnt out deep freezer we had on one of the boats and a prawn washer sitting under the other one, then starting to fit the wheelhouse 2gether, then the wheelhouse's back awning going together, then the hull with it's first of 3 coats of primer over the thinned out coat of estapol, then cutting out the side awnings, I miss my band saw,I use 1.5mm ply for all my superstructures etc, haven't got into the plastic card or what ever its called yet, then the hull and the wheelhouse, making it so as when it is lifted off also the trawling A frame will be attached coming off all 2gether to be able to get to the battery storage area directly under the wheelhouse, then a photo of the brine box this will have a sorting tray lid on top of this, this will also lift off so as to be able to get to the motor and shaft coupling etc.
The last photo shows the style of the A frame gantry for trawling with the boats in the early days had as they were only towing 1 large net, ,note the wheelhouse's side awning, I made a mistake, didn't take enough notice of the shape of this from the photo I had to go by, so I had to splice another piece into it to obtain the correct shape , as they say measure 2wice cut once, its pretty right ?......
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If your workshop was in England the model would be blown away & the floor flooded. Love it. Geoff
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Brian, the glue I use is this. I used to get it from Tower Hobbies, but lately I buy it locally (The North Coast Hobby Centre, in Lismore) as the freight from the USA has become too expensive. I keep it in the fridge, as it goes hard after a while if you don't, especially in the warmer weather.
Peter.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCX50&P=ML (http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCX50&P=ML)
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCX42&P=ML (http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCX42&P=ML)
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Hi Geoff sounds like you are or have had some extreme weather, its been great here around the 26 deg C now about 29 will start to heat up a bit here now. Hi peter gees thats a lot better than what I've been forking out for it ,oh well live and learn.
Well here go's some more photo's to bore you with first one cutting out the life rings ( still miss my band saw) , then skimming down the thickness of the ply for the bucket holder frame, next is the bucket holder,life rings and carly raft less their ropes, then undercoating the trawl winch, navlight box's, fairleads etc. Starting to undercoat the inside of the bulwarks (can you guess the colour) ,there was a large percentage of Brunswick Heads boats painted Orange , our boats were white and grey then later white and blue, then a few more pieces going under the brush, and the hull getting another undercoat on her bottom, and the last is of an oil feeder pipe soldered into the stern tube, the threaded valve will have a cap and air breather attached, I used an old shrouder valve out of an old FDC unit off the boat and removed the centre out of it ........
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One thing that annoys me with planked decks. Modellers read about 3 planks between joints on a frame, ok but then they use planks all the same length. :o This results in a diagonal pattern across the deck, not real looking to me. I am glad you know the proper way yours look great. :-)) Geoff
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Hi Geoff, yeah you never see parallel joints on decking I don't think Survey would allow it like, on hull planking on the real deals the joints have to be staggered quiet a few feet apart, but I must admit it is tempting to use just one run of decking without cutting a perfect length of plank up.
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Hi again, some more photo's,first shot is of the back bone of the rudder, next stern tube with it's oil feeder and breather,next photo of the rudder sides (skimmed one side of the ply for both sides) then the nearly finished rudder, still has a s.s shaft to be placed in the bottom of rudder it will swivel in a copper pipe that has been placed in the heel. Next hand rails soldered in position, prior to being cleaned up and the round copper flanges for the feet and after they are soldered on, and the last shot of the stern tube fitted and secured in position....
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hi BB
you may wont to put a guard over the end of the stuffing box to stop grease /oil flying round the nice buildges
cheers
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Oh well Bob, it will only throw out in one direction (reverse) at this stage till I can get you to fine tune my RC :embarrassed: .....
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Hi, back again,showing it's overhead rigging attached to the A frame now attached to the w house awning( as it will all lift off 2gether), shot of the w house and bits n pieces.
Start of the boat's stand, bits n pieces for the stand, the base I use a chopping board (new one), cut and shape the sides. the 2 pieces that look like over size paddle pop sticks that the Doctor would enjoy sticking down your through while you said Arrrrrh will have the models's name on these, then the model stand less the name tags, then painting the outside edge of the deck's cover strip ( no , not using orange Vegemite), then the w house with most of it's fittings on it and it's windows installed, next the battery holder for the 12 V battery, then showing where the battery holder lives under the w house , positioned in the beafiest section of the boat roughly 1/3 from the bow, and the last photo with her bottom painted, catch you later.......
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Very cool. It gets better and better :-))
Mark
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Thanks Mark, glad you like it.......
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Absolutly fantastic work!! Thanks for showing!
Hama
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Hi back again,thanks Hama, well decided to knock up a set of 7' x3' trawl boards the size she use to tow (5 1/4" x 2 1/4" ) made from ply,limewood,copper & brass, showing all the copper straps drilled and cut out, then attaching the back pulling points, next shot showing 1 board completed the other with it's fixed spider (pulling point) & wear shoe to be fitted, next the finished items, then the trawl boards painted with the made up light shades and the nav lights made from copper and brass ready to be painted.
Next shot showing the hull, starting to install the go go gear, next the battery box with the motor base (motor MFA 919D 540 type 6:1 red) and with the rudder servo frame, next showing the underside of these items, should be strong enough, and the last photo of the rudder servo and arms installed.......
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next photos attached
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Hi there some more photo's attached, showing the underside of the motor base with motor's holding down bolt's nuts recessed, then showing the plate covering them so as no chance of the nuts being pushed out, ready to be tied down for the transport to Bob's (Oldshrimper) tank testing facilities, if you don't here from me again on this Forum you will know things didn't go well.... :embarrassed: ......
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Very nice BB..... but a few questions :((
1. do you take a six pack around for the day @ old shrimpers test tank?
2. are the tests conducted with old shrimpers assistants on call {-) ....being the under 25 year old bikini clad safety officers?.....
3. that's a mighty big trailer for such a little vessel.........don't you have room in the motor home for transport?
4. is that an IVECO motor home?......................... %) ......Derek
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Hi Derek, answers to your Questions, Q 1 actually I don't drink beer,never fancied the taste of it, I'm a coffee addict %% .Q 2 if Oldshrimper has some of those assistances their ( that's a bonus) I don't think my fiancee would allow me to be going :(( , Q 3 What, do you think the trailer may be a bit of an over kill ? :o yep too many girly things in the motor home, Q 4 Yes it's an Iveco Winnebago Esperance , bought it in 2011 ,nice to drive and to camp in O0 ...................
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it just needs some buckets in the racks , wont pass survey tomorrow other wise
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Arrrr geees , I think you may have picked up some bad ideas from those Surveyor's over the years ( don't check in the w house as there aint no Life jackets either) ;D ......
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well for a sponge roll with cream i may look the other way :-))
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See , how easy is that , maybe I should have tried that when they use to come aboard (buggar) >>:-( ......
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Hello!!!
Really a great job :-)) , congratulations
Best regards
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Lovely job Brian, it really looks the part :-)) Don't forget to visit us when you're next down our way - and bring Madonna with you O0
Peter.
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No worries Peter will do, some more photo's here I am holding the finished product, couple of stern views then the splash test, with all the running gear including the 12 V battery she still needs 800 grams @ side of the motor to lift her nose and drop her tail, the last shot showing Bob ( Old Shrimper) supervising the launch. I wasn't going to mention why there is no action shots of her but we had one of those unforseen electronic teething moments when the ESC decided to die on us <:( , ( they are no different to the real ones ,they have a mind of their own ,,,boats,not ,females, well thats not true either ).........
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The splash photo's......
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Looking good :-)) :-))
and to put Derek's mind at rest where are the lifeguards %) %) %)
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It's hard to get good help these days , they didn't turn up :(( ....
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Hi there ,well we did get to see her steaming around before the power supply decided to spit the dummy after a couple more runs, the photo's show the extra weights (900gram @ side) she performed well at full lock sat up strait and no bouncing around like a cork ,very happy,she weighs in at 7.4 kg or 16.28 lbs.........
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Fantastic job, Brian, she looks great on the water :-)) It doesn't appear that the fishing would be too good though, the water's far too clear {-)
Peter.
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Thanks Peter, yeah we need a decent downpour flush all the silt and neutrions out, but i don't think Bob would appreciate muddying up his flume tank :-) .......
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Hi BB I like your test tank. I would dare to guess that Bob was a very successful fisherman in his day & he has certainly built a very large & expensive test tank, LOL. Your boat is very nice & you have made a nice job of the build too. Mick B.
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irishcarguy
yes but the )*^#$^*( GFC put and end to it all
other wise id be out cruising in a 1.000 " cruise ship like we did for the first two years of retirement ( life was good then )
do you have some fast cars ?
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Hi Mick thanks for that, yes Old Shrimper was at the top of his game, he definatly knew his stuff, but ,we all became the endangered species with all the rules and regulations ,we have to many tree hugers with to much say in this country ( they wouldn't even make good shark burly).She's a good testing facility, actually its nearly good enough to swim in. O0
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Hi Bob, sorry for the delay in replying to your question on having fast cars. I have had a few, a Cooper "S" was a lot of fun. I raced it & an MG Midget. I never liked American muscle.I liked making small things go fast. Today we have a VW Golf GTI, you should take one for a test drive, it will blow your mind, it is a real sleeper but I warn you, you might wind up buying one, Cheers, Mick.
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OK VW has a very poor rep out here due to the injector and gear box problems they have had (engine suddenly losing power in traffic and getting shunted up the rear by whos ever following ) witch they don't fix under warranty down here (people have spent up to $10 ,000 to fix them )they ended up recalling a few thousand as the gov shamed them in to it
so the sales have dropped
yer mini are great had an 850 one back in the 70 s , i was just wounder thats all i have a 700 hp LS3 supercharged v8 Australian muscle chev motor though
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This is a superb build from start to finish. The quality of the build is exceptional and I think it deserves to be included in the Mayhem Build Masterclass section of the forum. Well done! :-))
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ill second that :-))
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Thanks for the kind words guy's, just glad you liked the build.....
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This build is a display of first class workmanship all the way. It is one of the best builds we have had in awhile & I for one have really enjoyed it. Keep it up, I will be looking forward to your next build, you are heading in the right direction for a masters class award & at this rate it should not be too long before you achieve it, thank you for sharing. Mick B.
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Hi guys have some video of the model ,when we went out to a nice little watering hole to test the 2 models out Old Shrimpers Tug and my trawler,no smoke signals from them this time ;)
http://youtu.be/hx8t7blRMww (http://youtu.be/hx8t7blRMww)
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nice vid :-)) Boat looks great in the water, size is impressive.
Mark
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why is he going so fast?
it is for water skiing? ok2
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all the trawlers down under are used for week end water sport when not fishing
O0
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all the trawlers down under are used for week end water sport when not fishing
O0
Yeah right {-) {-) {-)
It looks very impressive on the water, Brian :-))
Peter.
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Thanks guy's , happy with its performance ....
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why is he going so fast?
it is for water skiing? ok2
Cos water and wind don't scale.
SY Medea model suffers from same problem, absolutely superb build but due to size, slight ripples on water produce a "Bobbing" effect.
Regards Ian.
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Brian has joined our club, and brought Madonna over for a sail yesterday. She certainly drew many favourable comments from the other members :-)) The second photo, taken by Brian, is my Grand Banks cruiser attempting to push a disabled vessel to the shore while Madonna looks on. The rescue was successful.
Peter.
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Do you mind me asking what kind of paint your using I like how it goes on and the finish you get without having to use an airbrush.
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Ok......... Now I'm jealous. I wish I had half your skill.
Absolutely superb all the way through this build......... and what result !!!!
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The paint is just your basic oil base (out here from Bunnings or Masters) I put it on as quick as possible making sure to leave no brush strokes,I did have to give the white on the hull 2 coats as I did get caught with the humidity (at Cairns, N Qld) I had to paint her about 5.30am before the it started to warm up......