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Title: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 09, 2013, 11:38:50 PM
 Well like most people I have been after a Sound system that will do an engine sound for a model boat that increase's in RPM and to run other sounds like klaxons fog . . horns. . guns. .  etc.
 
Well most of you will know there is a few out there but how about some thing cheap that you can play around with and put the SOUND of YOUR boat engine on a SD CARD and it does NOT require an amp. . .

 Well I have in the pipe line a nice little gizmo that has been re worked by a friend to play YOUR engine sound for YOUR boat. .
 The only skill set you need is to save a sound file of YOUR engine etc. onto the SD card and play it Via your RX.
 Yep you can switch it on and off increase sound play another track etc. Its almost done and hope to post a video soon
 And did I mention its. ..  LOUD
 
Most of you will have possible seen them already but this all works from the RX so you can switch it on play next track turn it up and down . .  SWEET and all from your Transmitter  :-))
 
will work in cars. .  boats. .  tanks . .  planes etc.

 
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Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Rottweiler on November 10, 2013, 12:40:18 AM
mmmm could be interesting!
Mick F
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 10, 2013, 03:32:04 AM

 http://www.modelsounds.co.uk/ (http://www.modelsounds.co.uk/)
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 10, 2013, 11:53:14 AM
Very true Martin . .
 
Its the same thing but now lets take it a step further and add some more electronics to work ALL the functions ( and no not servo's )
Lets add a small electronic board that's smaller than a servo to work ALL the switches and just plug into the RX so no servo to connect to the on off switch or another servo for volume etc.
And as many of you have seen and heard these Sound systems you know how good they are.
Now like model sounds site with all the servos added to the switches it becomes a bigger unit but in our case it will still be a smaller unit by far so if you have limited room its a must so things like planes  and Boats or Tanks or what ever your model is I think we are looking at a 3" space maybe less and NO AMP . .  ill keep you all posted and hope to post a video very soon
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: john44 on November 10, 2013, 04:26:46 PM
mmmm could be interesting!
Mick F

john44
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 10, 2013, 05:56:00 PM
OK, now I'm intrigued!
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: philk on November 11, 2013, 12:16:19 AM
someone in the wirral is selling loads of these on ebay at the mo
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 11, 2013, 01:20:09 AM
selling as in bid or buy it now  ?
Because we need to buy a few and mod them ?
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Rottweiler on November 11, 2013, 01:31:16 AM
think he means these £19.99 buy it now and £5 postage or bidding starts at £18.99
Item number  141112171557
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Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: TheLongBuild on November 11, 2013, 07:38:37 AM
Got mine for 8pounds exactly the same from ebay shipped.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: inertia on November 11, 2013, 09:02:45 AM
Well like most people I have been after a Sound system that will do an engine sound for a model boat that increase's in RPM and to run other sounds like klaxons fog . . horns. . guns. .  etc.
As far as I am aware this unit does NOT vary the speed of the engine with throttle control. Neither does the manfacturer make such a claim for it, so beware if that is what you are looking for.
DM
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 11, 2013, 10:07:36 AM

  a nice little gizmo that has been re worked by a friend to play YOUR engine sound for YOUR boat. .
 
Ahh come on guys Please read the what I have put. . .
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: malcolmfrary on November 11, 2013, 04:50:50 PM
Having read what was put - no mention of the speed control having any effect on the sound.  A recorded sound on an SD card of a motor varying speed might take some keeping sync with.........
Having heard one, they are good and loud, but I'll bet that pretty soon there will be a complaint from somebody that his sounds muffled, probably because it has been mounted in what is effectively a sealed box.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Netleyned on November 11, 2013, 05:08:25 PM
They do sound good, but being a loop, a tug with steam
sounds just repeats itself.
The steam blows off and engine telegraph bells ring
regardless of what the tug is doing.
Gets boring after a while.

Ned
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 11, 2013, 07:15:26 PM
oh dam and I thought it was going to be a good little gizmo but alas A recorded sound on an SD card of a motor varying speed might take some keeping sync with and its boring after a while . . . . :((
 
Ok Ill scrap the idea then . .  thanks for the feed back that has saved me loads of R&D  <:(
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: craggle on November 11, 2013, 07:23:30 PM
I have one of the Model Sounds versions and think it's great.
It sounds rather good under the deck as it does kind of muffle the sound but I think it sounds better under there than it does in the open, after all the engine on the real boat is under the deck.

Mine is a steam engine sound, no horn and telegraph so it just chugs away which is pretty realistic for a steam engine in a big tug, you don't tend to rev steam engines up and down too much.

Stick with it chap, A revving version with a diesel engine sound on it may well be on my shopping list in the future. :-)

Craig.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Liverbudgie on November 11, 2013, 07:39:26 PM
Most if not all steam engines are virtually silent anyway - so what's the point?
LB
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: craggle on November 11, 2013, 09:05:55 PM
Personally I think it adds a bit of fun to an otherwise lifeless model. I fitted lights, smoke unit, a rudder and a motor to it too, pointless really but I like them.  {:-{


Craig.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Rottweiler on November 11, 2013, 11:16:23 PM
Keep going and bring it onto the market.something new and inventive is always welcomed. Dont listen to the knockers.
Good Luck.
Mick F


Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 12, 2013, 10:03:07 AM
  A recorded sound on an SD card of a motor varying speed might take some keeping sync with.........

So all the ones out on the market now then don't work as in they all lose sync . .  hmm who would have thought that  :o
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: malcolmfrary on November 12, 2013, 10:28:58 AM
There are some that do change the sound according to the throttle setting, usually gets a mention prominently in the information.  Since it isn't an easy trick, they tend to be priced accordingly.  But the general rule is that if such a feature does not get a mention in the makers information, it probably isn't there.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Stan on November 12, 2013, 11:09:20 AM
HI Gazza. I am a little confused these units look very similar to some already available. Are you going to be marketing them? What are the major differences with your unit and what sounds will be available. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ .
 
Stan
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 12, 2013, 02:35:29 PM
HI Gazza. I am a little confused these units look very similar to some already available. Are you going to be marketing them? What are the major differences with your unit and what sounds will be available. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ .
 
Stan
As from the first post I know a chap who is an electronic wiz kid  :-))  He has taken one of these units apart and RE WORKED it so it can speed up with the throttle and down again. . But for some reason unbeknown to me most  people have NOT read WHAT I HAVE put saying it cant be done . .
Just  because they don't know how to do it  . . does not mean it cant be done . . . .
 
When people say its been re worked that's what we mean re worked  to do some thing else that it was not meant to
 
So this may sound blunt on my part but its not meant to be so We have 2 working units to offer
ONE is JUST the engine sound so it speeds up like a motor in my case a gas turbine for a Perkasa taken off you tube . .  (Sounds sweet) as having any thing else on it will speed up as well so this CANT be done but purely engine revs only
 
the other is just purely for sound on a ship like a klaxon . . Bofour guns. .  Oerlikon or what ever else you can think of
HE HAS ALREADY DONE IT . . . IT WORKS FINE
 
Will he make more to sell . .  don't know but mine works fine running this sound below is a REAL perkasa sound track with real Perkasa Guns . .  I added the Klaxxon for a bit of funn as im still looking for the whoop .   whoop noise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwqDeLZD7t0&feature=c4-overview&list=UUOsS3MNZhDX8S0z_OUdlPhQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwqDeLZD7t0&feature=c4-overview&list=UUOsS3MNZhDX8S0z_OUdlPhQ)
 
But when this is all controlled from your TX its a nice cheap gizmo for any model . .  Boat . .  Tank .  . Plane  etc
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: malcolmfrary on November 12, 2013, 09:34:02 PM
To recap what was said in the OP -
Quote
Well like most people I have been after a Sound system that will do an engine sound for a model boat that increase's in RPM and to run other sounds like klaxons fog . . horns. . guns. .  etc. Well most of you will know there is a few out there but how about some thing cheap that you can play around with and put the SOUND of YOUR boat engine on a SD CARD and it does NOT require an amp. . .  Well I have in the pipe line a nice little gizmo that has been re worked by a friend to play YOUR engine sound for YOUR boat. .

What was wanted was mentioned, true, it was mentioned that a reworking had happened as well.  I don't see any mention of syncing engine speed sound to motor speed.  The statement does stop short of that, so the only reasonable conclusion is that, since it is not specifically mentioned, it ain't there.  This is a textbook example of how to create a misunderstanding.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Rottweiler on November 12, 2013, 10:26:43 PM
Well I think it is very clear NOW what the guy has done or intends to do,shall we now stop this pettiness of what was said,and encourage him to get on with it and see where it goes. The final product will give the choice of liking it and perhaps buying it,or not liking it and not buying it.
SEEMPOOLES!
Let the guy get on with it without all this before you even know what its going to be like
Thanks,
Mick F
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: vnkiwi on November 12, 2013, 10:29:47 PM
Well said Mick
 
 :-))
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 12, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
To recap what was said in the OP -
  I don't see any mention of syncing engine speed sound to motor speed


"I have been after a Sound system that will do an engine sound for a model boat that increase's in RPM "
 
Some one tell me if this is translated in any other language other than English so I under stand I made a mistake ?  {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Rottweiler on November 12, 2013, 11:16:14 PM
Come on Gazza matey,I have tried to still the waters.Please now keep up the building of the item,and just let us know what happens when you get there?
cheers,
Mick F
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 13, 2013, 12:28:09 AM
Hey up Mick . . .  :-))

yea just trying to clear questions up but ill get back to testing and playing
Thanks for all the Pm's . . . " to crack on"
 I cant believe how much intrest you all have. . So Like me I guess your all fed up paying over the top for sound units that go CLICK. . CLICK  {-) .

When will they be available. .
good question errrr
Well I guess when we have finished trial's and then its going to be sourcing the little fellows. .  then finding a company to make the PCB for all the switch gear to go on  . .and then my mate to make it all up and test each unit  I don't know what to say to you all at the moment
Some where in the UK there is people selling these units some at £8 and some at £50 but who has the most and who can supply them.
.
I don't want to sell some at £xx and then some at £yy  so the cheaper we can get them for then the cheaper my mate can knock them out for I guess
I have 6 orders up to now as people have pledged I want on and I think I will have to have a serious talk with my mate to see when he can start doing the boards and then RE WORKING them.
Then its down to the user to get a micro SD card and put on there sound track or for him to do it and them that would be extra I guess . . 
I will have to post back ASAP when we have had a chat and got things sorted as I'm no business man just a chap with 100's of ideas and a vision and a mate who is a Whizz at electronics
 
So thanks for all the support I was going to scrap it. .  but a quick phone call to my mate and to set up a what the hell do we do know approach will be posted soon I promise
 
all the best Gazza
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: inertia on November 13, 2013, 08:44:21 AM
So Like me I guess your all fed up paying over the top for sound units that go CLICK. . CLICK  {-) .

Do you have any specific type in mind here or is this just a general smear on your part? First rule of business is that rubbishing the competition is not guaranteed to attract customers, especially when you don't yet have a product to back it up.
Ref the product, I very much look forward to hearing a decent bass sound (e.g. for a lifeboat) from a 2" speaker mounted in an aluminium can.
Caveat vendor?
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 13, 2013, 09:24:43 AM
Thanks Doc or is that Dave  :-))
Not smearing any one if a unit says its a XXX engine and goes click click its not an engine sound is it
Don't have a product to back up  ;D
 
Stand by for Action! We're about to launch Stingray! Anything can happen within the next half hour!"
 
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Seaspray on November 13, 2013, 09:33:47 AM
Seen this unit or one like it some time ago. Emailed the company (U.K)  to see if it could increase the engine sound speed sync with the stick. They said no but put me in touch with a Canadian company where the unit did.  Don't have the link anymore. Good luck to the reworkers
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Circlip on November 13, 2013, 09:47:18 AM
Seems like a simple question Gazza, If you move the speed stick on the transmitter to increase the motor speed, does the sound unit sound increase in speed????
 
   Can only be a one word answer, no ambiguity, Yes OR No  ??
 
   Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 13, 2013, 09:53:04 AM
Ian YES. . . . a thousand times YES it increases in RPM with the stick
 
Ok Mods   :police: can you delete this thread I will scrap the idea and just use it my self and if any one wants one then to PM me
 
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 13, 2013, 09:55:25 AM
 
I remember speaking to Jim Casey ( JJC sound units) some years ago regarding proportional throttle to sound, he said, 'one of the most difficult aspects to reproduce is the changing "tone" of the engine, ie, the type of sound an engine produces at idel, mid range and full throttle are usually completely different, you can''t just speed up an engine sound from idle to 3,000 rev and expect it to sound right.'

BTW: Inertia knows what he's talking about!

Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 13, 2013, 10:05:30 AM
and again please delete my post and ill tell my mate he does not know what he's talking about  :-))
 
Most people want to hear a reving engine on a electric boat weather it sounds 100% the real thing I don't know but a Jeremy cricket clicking sound is not a reving engine .sorry people its just not 
 if it revs up and sounds OK and that's what they want so be it
 if you want to sit and debate with a sound analyzer and say no its not quite right then we can all do that the Action electronic unit is a  NICE UNIT. .  I love it but the price is just to much  as then you need more stuff adding to it like an amp and a speaker etc the unit is now a big thing to get in a boat. .  plane or car or a tank . .
 I have not heard the sound unit my self and if it revs with the throttle stick if so then it works. . yes
 and the one I'm doing with my mate MUST work as well will it not  :-))
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on November 13, 2013, 10:24:57 AM
Brilliant idea, no idea how to deal with the public....good luck, you are going to need it :-))
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Circlip on November 13, 2013, 10:27:03 AM
No mention of stick control until post #22 Gazza.  Good Idea but don't rant at those asking questions. A demo of the unit mounted in a boat in water would have been a better use of hugh tub rather than a scope display.
 
   Regards  Ian
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 13, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
Well like most people I have been after a Sound system that will do an engine sound for a model boat that increase's in RPM

Ian its in the very first post mate if you increase rpm then the sound does as well
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: TheLongBuild on November 13, 2013, 10:46:11 AM
If every person who comes up with an idea was put off nothing would be built.
Yes there May ba versions already out there but there is always room for more...
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: hopeitfloats on November 13, 2013, 10:48:53 AM
I have an action unit and they are an excellent product. I don't think they are too pricey for what they do and aren't that big. sure you might struggle to get it in a 12'' boat with the rest of the radio gear but most of us are in to larger models. as has been said  gazza. ignore the knockers and keep up the R&D.  if your product turns out as good as the action units they will sell but I wouldn't expect to become a millionaire out of it.  inertia  is the only one allowed that  honour so I have been told. {-)
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: GAZOU on November 13, 2013, 10:54:18 AM
a good video!

and everyone will be happy
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: malcolmfrary on November 13, 2013, 11:06:57 AM
Saying you have been looking for a system with a given set of characteristics, then saying that an existing unit has been reworked does not actually equate to "and I now have one that does the job" unless those words actually appear. 
In the commercial world, leaving the customer to guess at possible implications in advertising copy generally leads to disappointment on both sides.  What might be blatantly obvious to the writer can often have a totally different meaning to the reader who is using that writing as the source of information.  That's just an observation from experience writing instruction leaflets in my past.  And re-writing them.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: inertia on November 13, 2013, 11:43:00 AM
I wouldn't expect to become a millionaire out of it.  inertia  is the only one allowed that  honour so I have been told. {-)

If you can find it then we'll go halves, eh? It'll save me any further looking. As Richard Branson said (I paraphrase him) " The only way to become a millionaire in this business is to start with a billion".
Gazza
It's a long hard road from a bread-boarded gizmo on your mate's test bench to a shelf full of finished stock with customers hammering at the door for more. Good luck, because you'll need a bucketful of it. You'll have to deal with prototype testing; any modifications; sourcing components and/or assembly; a website and all the other marketing treats; customers who don't or won't read the instructions and/or who think the thing will do something which it doesn't; returns of units which are not faulty - o, and back-bedroom heroes on Internet forums sniping at your prices and sneering at your product. Then there's the VAT man, the Income Tax man, the bloke from the HSE who wants to see all manner of EU-based certificates and check that you aren't using lead-based solder and make sure your fume extractor is up to spec for the job; the local authority who want you to pay business rates for your garden shed workshop; the customer who is going to sue you because his one year old grandson choked while trying to eat one of your products; the idiot who telephones at 3.20am from Australia because he's forgotten you are halfway round the world away; the pests from alleged magazines trying to sell you advertising space; the endless spam E-mails from countless Chinese manufacturers of anything even vaguely to do with electronics; the accounts woman from the magazine that you DO use who keeps pestering you to pay an invoice for an advert which you didn't order and which they never published.... and all you aspire to do is to sell an excellent product as cheaply as possible. 
Don't think I'm trying in any way to discourage you, mon brave, but sometimes I'm rather glad I have retired from this silly game.
Ref ACTion sound system - the first 100 Noisy Things were the hardest to sell; the rest have sold themselves.
DM (not Doc)
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Rottweiler on November 13, 2013, 12:12:23 PM
Wow Dave,no wonder you sold up matey! and there was I thinking you listened to Deep Purple all day!
Enjoy your retirement my friend,lol ;D ;D ;D O0 O0
Mick F
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: mersey dave on November 13, 2013, 12:25:54 PM
Gazza, for anyone who tries to introduce a product onto the open market you have to invest a lot of cash and time into the product. On top of this you would have to show that not only the product but most important you need to show that you can sell the product to the pubic, now from what I have seen on this topic you do not have the attitude needed to succeed as you have shown that you don't know how to deal with constructive criticism and what would worry me is if I purchaced one of these sound units and was not happy would I just pushed aside or face lots of abuse. Now as far as having a go at Dave (Action) that's a big no...no....you don't  do that to someone that's managed to produce many things that now sell them selves as the word soon spreads when something of such quality comes on the market.......and you will learn that bad news travels around just as quick. So the way in which you have handled this topic may well of killed off any hope you had.

Regards Dave.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: GAZOU on November 13, 2013, 12:36:48 PM

 
 {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Dave has it all to forget the idiots of French who do not understand assembly instructions O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Big Ada on November 13, 2013, 12:37:23 PM
Ah, Sound systems, do you remember as a kid sticking a bit of cardboard in by your back brake on your bike and as you peddled it flicked on the wheel spokes and made a " engine " sound and as you went faster so did the " engine ".
Now theres a cheap " Engine " sound system for you to stick in your "Toy" boat.
 
Len, ( Tongue in cheek )
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: inertia on November 13, 2013, 01:12:25 PM

 {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Dave has it all to forget the idiots of French who do not understand assembly instructions O0 O0 O0
Jean-Pierre
Yes - but you guys do it with such Gallic style! Anyway, you always sent your questions via Jackie W for translation and any excuse to flirt with her is welcome!

Len
One of the most convincing "budget" sound systems is Mike Mayhew's tin-can rattler, which uses a flap of tinplate turning with the prop shaft and one of those things that John West rejects (minus its contents, of course) as a resonator. Totally awesome, dude.

Mick/Mersey Dave
Ta, m'ducks. I'm still trying to bring electronics to the masses but these days it's just at the shows or via 'Model Boats' articles. Seems to be working - many folk at the weekend's show expressed enjoying the one I did for the MB Winter Special. We soldier on................

DM

....and it's Jimminy Cricket. One non-customer once described the sound of the small ACTion diesel engine simulators as 'demented penguins'. Fair enough, but they don't pretend to be real - as is made clear in the catalogue and on the show demo board. They are for small models (e.g. Slipway's Puffer) to give the effect of an engine sound. Big models deserve real engine sounds, and that costs a lot more to achieve.
Bon chance.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 13, 2013, 01:15:45 PM

I saw that 'system' on a model puffer, a couple of 'cable ties' on the UJ, at 0o and 90o.... after a while it did .... "emulate" the frequency of an engine.... sort of!!

There was one boat on the water at Warwick that sounded like it had a chainsaw in it!
 But it was just a bad shaft of something.

Another boat I heard with a terrible racket coming from the transmission, I asked the bloke what kind of sound unit he was using, he said, "Sound unit? What sound unit?"


Quote
Ah, Sound systems, do you remember as a kid sticking a bit of cardboard in by your back brake on your bike and as you peddled it flicked on the wheel spokes and made a " engine " sound and as you went faster so did the " engine ".
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: TheLongBuild on November 13, 2013, 01:20:57 PM
If you can find it then we'll go halves, eh? It'll save me any further looking. As Richard Branson said (I paraphrase him) " The only way to become a millionaire in this business is to start with a billion".
Gazza
It's a long hard road from a bread-boarded gizmo on your mate's test bench to a shelf full of finished stock with customers hammering at the door for more. Good luck, because you'll need a bucketful of it. You'll have to deal with prototype testing; any modifications; sourcing components and/or assembly; a website and all the other marketing treats; customers who don't or won't read the instructions and/or who think the thing will do something which it doesn't; returns of units which are not faulty - o, and back-bedroom heroes on Internet forums sniping at your prices and sneering at your product. Then there's the VAT man, the Income Tax man, the bloke from the HSE who wants to see all manner of EU-based certificates and check that you aren't using lead-based solder and make sure your fume extractor is up to spec for the job; the local authority who want you to pay business rates for your garden shed workshop; the customer who is going to sue you because his one year old grandson choked while trying to eat one of your products; the idiot who telephones at 3.20am from Australia because he's forgotten you are halfway round the world away; the pests from alleged magazines trying to sell you advertising space; the endless spam E-mails from countless Chinese manufacturers of anything even vaguely to do with electronics; the accounts woman from the magazine that you DO use who keeps pestering you to pay an invoice for an advert which you didn't order and which they never published.... and all you aspire to do is to sell an excellent product as cheaply as possible. 
Don't think I'm trying in any way to discourage you, mon brave, but sometimes I'm rather glad I have retired from this silly game.
Ref ACTion sound system - the first 100 Noisy Things were the hardest to sell; the rest have sold themselves.
DM (not Doc)

And all that is just the Morning.. %%    I hope they feed you at these shows when your with CShop..
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Circlip on November 13, 2013, 01:33:36 PM
Quote
Saying you have been looking for a system with a given set of characteristics, then saying that an existing unit has been reworked does not actually equate to "and I now have one that does the job" unless those words actually appear.

  And although slightly off post, but does illustrate the ambiguity of the English language, Anybody else got the latest communication from Uncle Richards empire? The one that justifies them increasing their service by another £3.75 per month? In the three "What we've added" boxes top and bottom boxes are free but middle one is available but at first glance (SWTSMBO thought so) looks to be free.
 
   Anyone in a specifying role today HAS to cross the i's dot the T's and underline the Z's or risk litigation.
 
   Inertia's description applies to ANY business operator cos lots of "Customers" are s**ts, T'internet only means they can get at you quicker
 
   Regards  Ian.
 
 
     
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: GAZOU on November 13, 2013, 01:38:22 PM
Dave you are an unbeliever, you have betrayed our secret >:-o <*< {-) {-) {-)
but you're happy you sold me many kits

You would sell a lot more if you had records in French. Yes but you're retired and your successor should records in French
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: TheLongBuild on November 13, 2013, 01:52:45 PM

  And although slightly off post, but does illustrate the ambiguity of the English language, Anybody else got the latest communication from Uncle Richards empire? The one that justifies them increasing their service by another £3.75 per month? In the three "What we've added" boxes top and bottom boxes are free but middle one is available but at first glance (SWTSMBO thought so) looks to be free.
 
  Regards  Ian.
 
 Not just Virgin..  Bt as Well same 6%
   

 Not just Virgin..  Bt as Well same 6%

 
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Circlip on November 13, 2013, 02:22:16 PM
Yer, but you've got SOLE coverage of MOTO GP next year.  >>:-(
 
   Regards(Diss)   Ian.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: inertia on November 13, 2013, 02:32:42 PM
Dave you are an unbeliever, you have betrayed our secret >:-o <*< {-) {-) {-)
but you're happy you sold me many kits

You would sell a lot more if you had records in French. Yes but you're retired and your successor should records in French

Jean-Pierre
Vous êtes un homme très stupide. Même un idiot vieil Anglais comme moi sait que le mot français pour "brrrmmm!" est toujours "brrrmmm" et non "le brrrmmm". Nous n'avons pas construit un empire par l'apprentissage des langues locales, vous savez! Vive la France anyroad up, m'duck!

Larry
Do I look as if I've been starved?? I only found out about working in the afternoons after I'd retired from the Civil Service.......  %)

Dave M
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Steve Dean on November 13, 2013, 02:49:08 PM
Gentlemen, gentlemen let's all take a deep breath !!!!!
I've been following this thread since the beginning and I've come close on several occasions to chipping in as I could see this was getting close to Martin having to put his moderators hat on and remove the topic.
Gazza, my friend, good luck to you in what you are doing but PLEASE heed the words of other contributors. They are trying to offer you wise council.
Most of us are aware that there are 'cheap & cheerful' sound units on the market but as long as they do at least what the manufacturer claims, then it is not a problem. If you want more accurate sounds and sophistication, i.e. proportional sound to throttle position, then this is available at a price.
Some of you will be aware that I recorded, mixed and created some of the sound sets that are available from ACTion for the 'Noisy Thing' but I am equally as friendly with Mark Thatcher at Models Sounds and therefore have 'no axe to grind' with any party.
In a unit like the 'Noisy Thing' the sound (known as a sample) is held in memory and is triggered from the transmitter. In the example of the 'Noisy Thing' it can store an engine start, engine run (proportional) and an engine stop sound. To create the sound of the engine speeding up this is achieved by increasing the rate at which the engine run sound is repeated (known as looping). This can have some inherent problems as increasing the speed of looping changes the pitch of the sound. Sometimes it's OK and sometimes it can sound demented. To get it right can sometimes take me many hours in my studio and workshop to get the sound acceptable. Those of you who have heard my trawler will know how great it can sound when you get all the variables right.
Gazza …… continue with your developments and I wish you well …… there is a price point level in the market for a range of products. We must all never loose sight that out there in model land there are people who feel that folk like me who use 8 channels of radio control that operate 14 functions in a model are complete 'nutters' AND they could be right !!!!!
Just to amuse you all, Dave and I have talked about an even more sophisticated unit (the technology exists) but the price would be such that it would have a very limited market and therefore is not really commercially viable.
Never loose sight that you get what you pay for …….. now go make some noise !!!!!
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Circlip on November 13, 2013, 03:13:43 PM
Yes Steve, and at the end of the day it's only a TOY boat and would look silly draggin a Bose or a B & O Dalek behind it    O0    {-)
 
 
     Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Seaspray on November 13, 2013, 03:41:50 PM
Ah, Sound systems, do you remember as a kid sticking a bit of cardboard in by your back brake on your bike and as you peddled it flicked on the wheel spokes and made a " engine " sound and as you went faster so did the " engine ".
Now theres a cheap " Engine " sound system for you to stick in your "Toy" boat.
 
Len, ( Tongue in cheek )

Great fun So it was either the old mans fag packet or a playing card ( the best) with a spring loaded cloths peg on the spokes
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 13, 2013, 03:58:15 PM

This is called 'The Village Pump', in America, 'water cooler moment', or in the IT world - R & D!!!
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Steve Dean on November 13, 2013, 05:26:29 PM
Steady on Circlip …… you can't call my models TOYS !!!!! They are highly sophisticated pieces of extreme model engineering …… I know, we'll call them BIG  :-)) TOYS !!!!!!


And as for your reference to Bose ……. my latest project which is an Alien in his rocket ship (its a fun creation) has more sound effects than Doctor Who !!!!  Its a 'Noisy Thing' on steroids (or should that be asteroids)!


It even fires green plasma …… this will enable me to exterminate Dave and Ian at Component Shop and then beam up Natasha and take her to the dark side of the moon.


Must go …. it's time for another gallon of my medication !!!!
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Stavros on November 13, 2013, 08:59:27 PM
MODS this needs closing this is going to end in tears mark my words on this .................someone here has one heck of an attitude problem.......thats all I am going to say ......................
 
 
Dave
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: TheLongBuild on November 13, 2013, 09:19:19 PM
Jean-Pierre
Vous êtes un homme très stupide. Même un idiot vieil Anglais comme moi sait que le mot français pour "brrrmmm!" est toujours "brrrmmm" et non "le brrrmmm". Nous n'avons pas construit un empire par l'apprentissage des langues locales, vous savez! Vive la France anyroad up, m'duck!

Larry
Do I look as if I've been starved?? I only found out about working in the afternoons after I'd retired from the Civil Service.......  %)

I claim the 5th amendment

Dave M
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: davidm1945 on November 13, 2013, 10:23:25 PM
As from the first post I know a chap who is an electronic wiz kid  :-))  He has taken one of these units apart and RE WORKED it so it can speed up with the throttle and down again. .
 
When people say its been re worked that's what we mean re worked  to do some thing else that it was not meant to
 


I don't pretend to know much about this, but surely the original unit that has been "re worked" would be covered by some sort of patent. I would have thought that the manufacturer would require permission to be sought ( and royalties paid ) before the modified unit could be offered for sale.

Dave.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: derekwarner on November 13, 2013, 11:52:44 PM
Circlip.......I have never understood why people rave about the Bose product  :o ...however Bang & Olifsen systems and also the B&W speaker systems  were  :kiss: music to my ears.......
Unfortunately the latter were just a little too large to be installed in a model vessel......
Martin....I have heard of the Village People but not the Village Pump  ;D ....Derek
 
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Circlip on November 14, 2013, 12:33:57 AM
Because Derek we have bred the Walkman generation whom have an inability to talk to each other but converse by SHOUTING, EVEN WHEN SAT BESIDE EACH OTHER and who think LOUD is good.   %%
 
  Regards  Ian
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Gazza on November 14, 2013, 01:02:30 AM
@ mersey dave. .
Now as far as having a go at Dave (Action) that's a big no...no....
Where did I have a go at Dave . . PLEASE QUOTE WHERE I DID . .  I did not as you say have a go at any one please stop with the . .  assume. .  as u and me comes to mind here as per the norm.
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Selling the product . .  its a hobby if My mate sells 1 a week so be it. . he has no intention of opening a shop . . well i dont think so any way
its a sound unit just the same as MODEL SOUNDS are selling just under a differant logo . .  and the rest off ebay.
Why would it go wrong why do you think you would be pushed a side ? if it dont work then it needs charging its that good a unit ask any one who has one.
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and this one i love it . .
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"you do not have the attitude needed to succeed as you have shown that you don't know how to deal with constructive criticism "
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The so called constructive criticism from most peoples point of view not just mine goes some thing like this
I will just show a real easy example as i cant think of a dumber way to put it but from the very first post I stated that. . .
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Will do an engine sound for a model boat that increase's in RPM and to run other sounds like klaxons fog . . horns. . guns. .  etc.
AND now lets take it a step further and add some more electronics to work ALL the functions ( and no not servo's )
Lets add a small electronic board that's smaller than a servo to work ALL the switches and just plug into the RX so no servo to connect to the on off switch or another servo for volume etc.
Now please tell me whats SO hard to grasp i have already explained it so a Nine year old could understand
 
But looking at the posts it goes some thing like this . . . .
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THIS  product will be pink . .  is its pink . . yes its pink. . .  if I bought one would mine be green. .  no it would be pink. .  you state its been re worked will the re worked one be Yellow . .  no it will be pink. .   
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So the way in which you have handled this topic may well of killed off any hope you had.
killed off PMSL . . in just private PM's alone its worth doing. .  im not into making Money im in it to help others who want some thing im a hobbyist not a Richard Branston. . What ever my mate sells them for its His I dont see a bean out of it ( and before you all ask about a bean i mean a penny  PMSL )
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Regards Gary
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MODS this needs closing this is going to end in tears mark my words on this .................someone here has one heck of an attitude problem.......thats all I am going to say ......................

Dave

your not wrong there Stavros  :-))
 
 

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I don't pretend to know much about this, but surely the original unit that has been "re worked" would be covered by some sort of patent. I would have thought that the manufacturer would require permission to be sought ( and royalties paid ) before the modified unit could be offered for sale.
Dave.

OK so you just bought a micro switch from Maplins and now its being RE worked by a servo in your boat to switch on some lights. . . so what do you think do you need to pay royalties to Mircoswitch  and if so then there is an awlfull lot of people in trouble
Or the washing machine packed up and you got another motor from another machine with a different name. . 
Now . .  do you pay royalties to the other company etc.
 
in a word NO not really its there to be used in what ever manner you bought it for
 
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: derekwarner on November 14, 2013, 01:27:51 AM
Guys...... {-) ..I can also see this thread going up in a POOF of smoke...... O0 ...
 :P  spelling was intentional as smoke [itself] does not have a sound ...be it decibels of sound pressure level or sound quality from B&W speaker systems  :kiss: ....Derek 
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Norseman on November 14, 2013, 04:12:18 AM
I can't help noticing that threads on noisy things   sorry, rather on 'sound systems' seem to cause more arguments than the banned subjects of religion and politics put together. If we could just get a smoke generating sound system with a universal joint built in then we could have a fine old time.

Just live and let live I say, and let the actual buyer of any product beware.

Dave
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Netleyned on November 14, 2013, 07:17:32 AM
Have to be Black smoke %% %%
Then it would be perfick :-)) :-))

Ned
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 14, 2013, 07:18:42 AM
 
Everyone had their Tuppence worth now?
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: inertia on November 14, 2013, 08:09:49 AM

Everyone had their Tuppence worth now?

Let's hope so.
Title: Re: NEW. . . .model sound system
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 14, 2013, 09:25:22 AM
Locked.

  Interesting discussion I thought.