Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: mook on November 15, 2013, 11:04:33 am
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A school in Halesowen has put a ban on its pupils using its local Black Country Accent :o I think this is crazy if they had their way we will all end up speaking with a monotonous one tone accent, it could only happen in this country. In addition I think the Black Country accent is great :-))
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You should try going to the Shetland Isles, I could never understand a word the locals said up there. We asked for directions once, and from what we deciphered, we were to turn right at the Chub centre.
Only after going round Lerwick about ten times did we fathom out we were looking for the 'job' centre...
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I worked in Stourbridge for about 12 months and for the first few weeks I needed an interpreter and I only come from Worcester, about 20 miles away.
Two ladies came into the shop one day and when I spoke to them one said to the other "Ow down't 'e talk luvvly, yow con tell 'e ay frum rownd 'ere"....
Black Country folks - salt of the earth - I love 'em!
Dave
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Bostin ayit ar!
Jerry.
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are they not breaking the laws of discrimination by doing that...........as a parent I would be making a clear and concise complaint to both Ofsted and my local and parliamentary education minister about the school and toote' sweet'
Eaton will be banning scouser footballer's sons next........what will Wayne Rooney say then, gawd bless 'im {-) {-) {-) {-)
neil.
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Well all I can say about Black Country folk is,
yew 5 am bin 4 guddns yew 3 bin both together bay I.
john
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Well I can say I come from a unique city when it comes to accents. Scouse, geordie, cockney, all accents from around the country are spoken across an area. Like all of Tyneside speak with the geordie accent, same for the Fylde peninsula area having the scouse accent, the midlands everyone talks like Ozzy Osbourne etc etc.
I come from Hull and the accent there although sounding awful when compared to some others, is only spoken within the city. Travel up the road to Beverley just 5 miles outside of the city boundary and they have quite a cultured accent compared to my home town. Its unique in not spreading from the city, some would say that this is a good thing when hearing it {-)
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Obviously the school are on a different planet.
Have they not noticed that most advertising on
TV and Radio use regional accents because the
great British public do not trust posh accents.
Ned
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I'm no expert, but I'm guessing two things:
1. It was in the Daily Mail
2. It didn't actually happen.
If local accents were banned around here then the whole place would be silent!
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Was on skynews this morning
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Nobody remember the "Straban" interview? Seem to remember also that Cheryl Tweedy didn't go down very well in America cos no one could understand her. Toss Daily seems to have "Poshified" since the cosmetic adverts.
Wonder what the TRUE story is behind the MEDIA HYPE.
Regards Ian.
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I live smack in the middle of the Black Country and I can tell you that school is getting some stick from the locals at the moment <*<
Can't beat the folk where I I've they are fantastic :-))
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There does seem to be a bit of confusion about the differences between "Dialect" and "Accent" in this tale! BY
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Aynock - " Jow loik me noo 'ouse?
Eli - "Soreroit, bur I day loike they stickyout winders.
Aynock - "Theym bay winders.
Eli -"Well if they bay winders wot am they?"
Great stuff.... :-))
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same for the Fylde peninsula area having the scouse accent,
Not in a million years Brian..................not on the Fylde peninsula we don't!!!! >:-o >:-o >:-o
gawd forbid, and wash yer mouth out wi' carbolic
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Only a ban in the Class room.. Personally I agree
Colley Lane Primary School’s top ten “damaging phrases.”
1. “They was” instead of “they were.”
2. “I cor do that” instead of “I can't do that.”
3. “Ya” instead of “you.”
4. “Gonna” instead of “going to.”
5. “Woz” instead of “was.”
6. “I day” instead of “I didn’t.”
7. “I ain’t” instead of “I haven’t.”
8. “Somefink” instead of “something.”
9. “It wor me” instead of “it wasn’t me.”
10. “Ay?” Instead of “pardon?”
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Absolutely nothing wrong with parents and teachers insisting on 'going to' rather than 'gonna' etc. The local accent really has nothing to do with it.
The proximity of different accents is what amazes me. I live in Huyton and speak with a moderately Scouse accent, only a couple of miles away across a couple of fields the people in Prescot have a noticeably different accent. My wife has a nice accent but I like it better when she isn't speaking to me O0
Dave
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Believe it or not, 'gonna' is a perfectly legitimate contraction of 'going to'. It has just fallen out of usage in British English. But is in common use in American English.
As George Bernard Shaw once said, "England and America are two countries separated by a common language".
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American English {-) maybe we can move the topic to humour.
I guess a lot of what is being discussed is really dialect and not accent ... I think BY mentioned that earlier.
Dave
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And ask ANY American what's difficult about pronouncing the word Nuclear? %)
Regards Ian.
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My partner hails from Cornwall, sometimes I think we need a dialect translator (wonder if Google would be interested) :-)) :-))
It has only been 15 years but am starting to get the hang of his dialect and broad west country accent now!!
Paul...
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And ask ANY American what's difficult about pronouncing the word Nuclear? %)
Regards Ian.
Got Me.. Is this the same as in Aluminium ?.
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They ALL pronounce it New cue lar.
Obviously a different dictionary. Said we should have sent an updated one since the Pilgrim Fathers. %)
Regards Ian.
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Ah Got you, I had the American Language beaten (Not literally ) out of me by my grandparents but now and again I come across a word I'm not familiar with I apparently drift towards the American pronunciation..
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They ALL pronounce it New cue lar.
Obviously a different dictionary. Said we should have sent an updated one since the Pilgrim Fathers. %)
Regards Ian.
Unless your name is G. Bush jr. then it's pronounced NewKiller %%
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There you go Brian,
Pilgrims left Immingham (Ming Ming)
so might have had the Hullygully accent
that doesn't travel by road but maybe by Mayflower.
Ned
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My Stepchlidren in Finland speak 'Essex' English..... much to the annoyance of their English teacher :D .
Their teacher actually annoys me as he has been teaching them a mixture of English and American English.... either teach one or the other >>:-(
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mmmmm have you watched any American video on silver soldering?........they tend to pronounce the material as "so-dar" ..... {-) .....Derek
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I really don't know why the USA is so against 'tourism', they even started a war against it. %)
However I agree with the school's ban, because it's a ban on slang rather than accent. Media hype as per usual then.
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We were always told off at school for using slang words... for example Gissit (give it to me), aint, me instead of my (as in wheres me pencil) and for dropping ones Hs (Holiday becomes oliday)
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My wife is from Yorkshire, and I'm from Glasgow. I don't think I've got a particularly strong accent, but she thinks otherwise.
She once hid a tape recorder behind the sofa and taped the conversation for 20 minutes.
Then she took it out, and played it back. All I could distinguish were a series of muffled grunts.
"Right," she said triumphantly at the end of the playback. "What did you say?"
"Ah don't know. "I replied. "Ah wis talkin' tae you. Wur ye no' listenin'?"
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"I replied. "Ah wis talkin' tae you. Wur ye no' listenin'?"
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Down here I am told I have a beautyfull English accent. :embarrassed:
In England I am told I have a very Australian accent. >>:-(
What's a poor Pom to do? <:(
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Believe it or not, 'gonna' is a perfectly legitimate contraction of 'going to'. It has just fallen out of usage in British English. But is in common use in American English.
As George Bernard Shaw once said, "England and America are two countries separated by a common language".
TT, I'm horrified :o Saying "gonna" is a perfectly legitimate contraction of "going to" is like saying that "yair" is an acceptable contraction of "yes". Americans may think they speak English, but in reality it's only a form of that language. They can't spell or pronounce what to us are simple words, and the sad part is that, due to the influence of American television, the disease is spreading rapidly. I know that the English language is continually evolving, and changes are inevitable, but to accept such appalling contractions as legitimate is just not on, old chap %)
Peter.
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TT, I'm horrified :o Saying "gonna" is a perfectly legitimate contraction of "going to" is like saying that "yair" is an acceptable contraction of "yes". Americans may think they speak English, but in reality it's only a form of that language. They can't spell or pronounce what to us are simple words, and the sad part is that, due to the influence of American television, the disease is spreading rapidly. I know that the English language is continually evolving, and changes are inevitable, but to accept such appalling contractions as legitimate is just not on, old chap %)
Peter.
But then again you Aussies have a few of your own.... like fair dinkum and cobber :D
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Goodness....where did ...saying "gonna" come from? .......sounds like the start of a word one's Doctor may suggest is related to describe a sexually transmitted condition.... <:( .
Now from my extensive readings of Grammar for Lawyers :o ....we substitute the letter o for the letter u ;D & we end up with a word "Gunna" ....... which whilst is not is in the Oxford Concise Australian dictionary is clearly a mutation or abbreviation for the word gunner...which as we all know as being used to describe ..."á Warrant Officer in charge of a battery"
Now this further translates to an Official type of person who assists motorists who have the misfortune of suffering a flat battery in their motor vehicle %)
I rest my case :kiss: ......ain't our English language grand ..........Derek
PS...that's another 10 cents commission please Professor Tulloch O0
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But then again you Aussies have a few of your own.... like fair dinkum and cobber :D
Very true, although "cobber" isn't often used nowadays O0 . "Fair dinkum" on the other hand, is used regularly.
When I first travelled to England, back in 1993, something that struck me was how noticeable the Aussie accent is when in a crowd. It can sometimes sound quite jarring, in fact, occasionally it sounded like scratching fingernails down a blackboard :o , it can depend on the individual.
I am constantly amazed at how such a small country as Britain can have so many regional accents, and it can be interesting trying to pick where a person comes from by his/her accent.
Peter.
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TT, I'm horrified :o Saying "gonna" is a perfectly legitimate contraction of "going to" is like saying that "yair" is an acceptable contraction of "yes".
Again, believe it or not.
Gonna is a standardised contraction. It isn't slang or poor English, depsite what people with a Br English tradition may have been brought up to believe. I actually raised the question in an English teaching class, my American teachers used it a lot, and taught it.
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In fairness, Grammar for Lawyers, has little to do with vernacular English. Rules of legal English are there for precision with a particular purpose in mind, and are not the same as rules for what would be termed as common English grammar and use for any of the main 'standard Englishes'.
I don't know if it is the same today, but the case used to be that the only punctuation allowed in legal English/contracts (in the UK) was a full stop/period.
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best accent of all speaking of the best product here......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjPhopki9sQ
Cornish and proud of it
Mick F
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I can't seem to win either, as when in Australia, I'm told I have a kiwi accent, but when at home in NZ, told I have an aussie accent.
When working in the UK, always assumed by others I was an Aussie.
Why can't we all speak (and spell) the Queen's English, as interpreted by aunty BBC.
Only ever meet one American, who spoke proper English, and he was from Boston.
Love listening to all the various dialects and accents from where ever I went in the UK.
Only twice did I not understand, some one when I stopped and aske for directions.
First day in London, asked a very dapper fellow in a suit, bowler and complete with brolly, very financual district, London, but he turned out to be from the middle east somewhere and only had a few words of English, the other when I stopped in the middle of Union Street, Aberdeen, and asked directions. After 3 attempts, thanked the kilt wearing gent, drove around the corner and asked some one else.
But that was before I actually lived and worked in Abredeen.
cheers
vnkiwi :-))
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Here is a useless statistic, relating to received pronunciation (RP) a.k.a. 'Queens English', that was contained is in my MA applied linguistics materials (c.2000).
Only 2% of the UK population use RP, and only 4% of the English population use RP. That was over a decade ago.
Even Aunty's presenters and news readers uses regional accents now, and have done for many years, posh regional accents usually.
Why can't we all speak and spell like our good Lord did in the King James Bible?
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:} ...& TT suggests.... "In fairness, Grammar for Lawyers, has little to do with vernacular English" :((
This is not quite the case TT...as the whole premise of the book is ensure Lawyers simplify language so as to be able to be understood by both lay and professional
The text also notes........"whilst it is true there is no such thing as legal grammar, concise, correct & unambiguous writing is probably more important in the legal profession than any other"
......& so to ensure some smart ass#ed opposing Lawyer >>:-( didn't bounce back with some semi legal conundrum {-) .....Derek
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O0 brilliant Mick.......only problem from my perspective is that they do not mention tomato sauce on the pasty............Derek :P :P :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjPhopki9sQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjPhopki9sQ)
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Very well put TT.
My reference was based on my experience in the UK way back at the end of the 70's, and found upon my last visit to London some 8 years ago that BBC English had all but vanished from the airwaves, and moving picture tubes.
More's the pity as it was a common denominator which everyone understood, no matter where you lived or the dialect you spoke.
As regards different dialects in NZ, (and in Au) rather than becoming one, I now find it easier to tell where in NZ people came from, as the accents have become stronger, but find it increasingly difficult to understand the 'Americanisms' which have crept into the local language of the young, during my long absence 'overseas'.
Maybe, just maybe, I am starting to show the symptoms of starting to lose some of my youth.
Surely not
cheers
vnkiwi {:-{
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One of my favourite songs from screen musicals comes from the film, "My Fair Lady", in itself an adaptation of George Bernard Shaw's "Pygmalion". In this song, Professor Henry Higgins bemoans the fact the even the English can't speak "properly". The latter part of the song is this
An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him.
The moment he talks he makes some other Englishman despise him.
One common language I'm afraid we'll never get,
Oh, why can't the English learn to set a good example to people whose English is painful to your ears?
The Scots and the Irish leave you close to tears.
There even are places where English completely disappears.
In America, they haven't used it for years!
Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?
Norwegians learn Norwegian, the Greeks are taught their Greek.
In France every Frenchman knows his language from "A" to "Zed"
The French never care what they do, actually, as long as they pronounce it properly.
Arabians learn Arabian with the speed of summer lightning,
The Hebrews learn it backwards, which is absolutely frightening.
But use proper English and you're regarded as a freak.
Why can't the English,
Why can't the English,
Learn To Speak?
http://www.allmusicals.com/lyrics/myfairlady/whycanttheenglish.htm (http://www.allmusicals.com/lyrics/myfairlady/whycanttheenglish.htm)
Peter.
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The French never care what they do, actually, as long
as they pronounce it properly.
French, for the French province has become difficult to understand.
unassimilated people who live in the suburbs of large cities are becoming more numerous.
Their language and SMS destroy all French culture.
And it is inevitable .............................
Even the Bretons of Brittany schools, yet this language is spoken but not written. They invent a spelling and they are happy
Damage, France was "culture" and it becomes a mess
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The film was made in 1964, Gazou, a lot of things have changed since then <:(
Peter.
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yes! I was 21 and all my teeth {-) {-) {-)
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O0 brilliant Mick.......only problem from my perspective is that they do not mention tomato sauce on the pasty............Derek :P :P :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjPhopki9sQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjPhopki9sQ)
SACRILEGE iF ANY AT ALL MUST BE BROWN SAUCE >:-o >:-o <*< <*<
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Well Rottweiler %) ...which sauce would you prefer?.......opps....I left out the HP & Worchester sauce bottles..... they must be hiding in a taller shelf {-) .............Derek
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these bottles?
it's organic ? %) %) %) %) %)
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My dear friend Gazou......maybe about 75% real & the balance synthetic?....but it is the garlic I prefer O0 @ 89% real.....& makes the flavour of food beautiful........ :kiss: :kiss:
& the wine is also good........Derek {-)
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SACRILEGE iF ANY AT ALL MUST BE BROWN SAUCE >:-o >:-o <*< <*<
Or if you are from Essex its braahn sauce
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Have you noticed us Welsh are keeping out of this?
:-X :-X :-X :-X
Or should that be 'we Welsh' ?
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Ned
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Gonna, Wanna, Shudda etc
Would you ever write one of those words in a letter or a formal communication? I suspect you would not because you might reasonably expect the recipient to read it as a sign of poor education and by extension infer other negatives about the writer.
My daughter sometimes uses' gonna' and it is doubly annoying to me because it is always preceded by 'I was'. It is always the start of an excuse for failing to help her mother <*<
Dave
.... Cornish accents :-)) and I quite like The Potteries too.
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Très Cher DERECK
Tell me what the LYCOPENE content in these products
And why the foam wine? it is wine powder?
Garlic for you because it's great, but you can not kiss girls after ......................... {-) {-) {-)
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Gazou....I had to ask Mr Google the meaning of LYCOPENE .....= synthetic red dye to enhance the colour of red food....the concentration in the red sauce is 16mg per 100ml
Bubbles in the still dry red wine?.......maybe they use Lycopene too.....no.... just joking but the bubbles flatten out after 20 seconds...maybe the Stewart crystal had washing detergent still on the surface? ....Derek
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Its a shame to put good wine in Stewart crystal when you could use the best, Waterford of course. The wine will taste much better too. Mick B.
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only in the UK http://imgur.com/r/TeacherTales/1a9YSdw (http://imgur.com/r/TeacherTales/1a9YSdw)
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:o & Mick says ......"Its a shame to put good wine in Stewart crystal when you could use the best, Waterford of course"
Couple of points to consider Mick......
:embarrassed: the Australian dry red I purchase in a cardboard box with a silver bladder & about $2.50 per litre on special
%) I inherited a large collection of leaded Crystal from my dear mum.........her family origin [part Stewart] includes the families of the manufacturers of Stewart leaded crystal all those years ago...so just an assumption on my part that there wouldn't be any Waterford in the collection
You are definitely correct in the presentation.....guests often ask what vintage is the red?.......my response is "probably next years" {-) ..... Derek
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Its a shame to put good wine in Stewart crystal when you could use the best, Waterford of course. The wine will taste much better too. Mick B.
That brings this thread back round in a big circle, 'cos the best crystal is still made here in Brierley Hill in the Black Country, ay it? Or roight! :-))
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The most suitable container for most alcohol is me O0
Being cask shaped I am well suited to the task.
Although, as this is Mayhem, shouldn't we all be using schooners? %)
Dave
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I told you when you here that the least you should do when the Booze was free is to get drunk with class, so we always tried to stop you drinking direct from the bottle & gave you a class glass to drink it from, it worked well too, Mick B.
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A young lady on tv said the word monk. The mon correctly sounding just as in monastery. I have tried this monk only to find it naturally comes out munk ... and if I manage to force monk, it comes out hilariously alien to my ears. I guess I have more of an accent than I figured. Oh, not that I mind at all.
Dave