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Title: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on June 18, 2007, 04:16:07 AM
hey guys i want to get a 1/75 scale smit rott and use it as a template to upscale
to 1/50.   i'm guessing if i took all the hull parts and inlarge them on a photo copyer
that would work???
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: Shipmate60 on June 18, 2007, 10:51:55 AM
bigford,
The theory is fine but some coppiers arent as accurate as you think.
For anything being rescaled, draw or place a coloured square in a corner, when the copy comes out  check that this is still square and the correct size.

Bob
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: -KEMO- on June 18, 2007, 11:07:48 AM
Hiya,
      if you want a 1:50 Rotterdam hull go to this Dutch site,

      http://users.skynet.be/florisjan/smb/page/E/slepers.html


      they have them.

Keith.
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on June 29, 2007, 12:06:02 AM
the smit rott is on her way to me  first thing to do is finish  the
amsterdam,banckert and the streched nederland :P ::)

as to the duch site i e-mailed 3 times never got a responce  :'(
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on July 05, 2007, 11:42:18 PM
got the rotterdam today  ::) i'm introuble!!!!!

ok so if enlarge the parts 150% on the copyer. what do i do for the math problems
i have a spacer that is 77mm long i need to enlarge to xxx

would it be 77mm x 150% =115.5 mm
this is going to be a slow go
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: Tug-Kenny on July 06, 2007, 10:24:58 AM

You could end up with a metre ruler all marked with new sizes.  This would cover all the dimensions as you measure them.

I've just re read that and it sounds confusing, but I'm sure you know what I'm getting at.  Make a new false ruler.

Hope this helps

I have the original Rotterdam still waiting in it's box and am a bit apprehensive about doing it in the original size, so I admire your pluck.  ;D


Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on July 21, 2007, 04:09:14 AM
i was looking over the parts for the rotterdam
and found i'm missing 2 sheets of wood for the b deck

i went to billings site and fired a missing parts request to them
will i hear from them or just get the new parts in the mail???
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on July 27, 2007, 10:03:20 PM
i spoke to ray at p.m. hanson  in canada
and told him of my problem.. he put (ken billings himself) on the
phone to help fix the problem.  Ken is a very nice gentleman from
denmark who figured i was missing 5 sheets of wood
from the ship. Ken  said they would check in canada for the parts or
ship them to me from europe  :eek: great boat great company
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on January 12, 2008, 05:25:17 PM
well after 6 months i got off my butt and went to staples and had them
enlarge my frames  :D 150% is huge. $30.00 for double coppies  >>:-(
i figured that  the boat would need extra frames due to the new lenth
going from 35'' to 52.50''  :D
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on January 13, 2008, 04:39:48 AM
here's a pic of the enlarged bow frame at 1/50 scale
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/150.jpg)
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: barryfoote on January 13, 2008, 08:28:15 AM
Impressive start Bigford. I did a similar thing with a period ship and it worked out fine. Keep the piccies coming in

Barry
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on January 27, 2008, 07:12:03 AM
frames all cut out but one i missed the #9 frame it was never enlarged :'(
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tugrott14.jpg)
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on January 28, 2008, 11:09:36 PM
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tugrott112.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tugrott111.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tugrott110.jpg)

i cut the keel today. i need to get 1/4 strip wood from the hobby shop for the frame spacers
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 29, 2008, 04:53:26 PM

Looking good.   O0

As you know, I was thinking along this route, but sadly, have now sold her on. I shall be watching with interest and cheering you on. 

Well done so far

Ken

Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on January 30, 2008, 05:08:18 AM
kenny let me tell you 1/50 is way nicer to work with then the 1/75 scale
the replacement parts that i got are laser cut and the windows  :D there [] []
window shaped O0

i got the stern deck cut tonight out of 1/8 midwest ply
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on January 31, 2008, 01:06:29 AM
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tugrott119.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tugrott113.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tugrott115.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tugrott114.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tugrott117.jpg)
both scales are present 1/75 and 1/50
i just found this pic i wonder what scale this is??
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/71867864.jpg)
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: Stavros on January 31, 2008, 05:51:48 PM
All I can say is I WANT IT


Stavros
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: dms toucan on January 31, 2008, 08:15:18 PM
Hi
John Wilson of the Wirral model boat club has a Smit Rotterdam at 1/32nd
Martin
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on January 31, 2008, 09:16:47 PM
pic PLEASE!!!!! {-)
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: Stavros on January 31, 2008, 09:19:45 PM
Where did you find that piccie


Stavros
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on January 31, 2008, 09:47:07 PM
russian web site i think could'nt read a lick of it {-)
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on January 31, 2008, 11:40:03 PM
 a e-mail from martin

Hi this is the tug it uses washing machine motors to drive it
unable to post on mayhem
regards Martin
PS its over 7ft long
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/IMG_66757footrotterdam.jpg)
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on February 01, 2008, 10:56:03 PM
or this
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/bigasshunter.jpg)
http://www.smgijmond.nl/
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on May 26, 2008, 05:34:18 AM
i must be the slowest builder you lot know  ;)
heres a update
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug029Small.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug030Small.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug031Small.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug034Small.jpg)
bigger is better
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: Roger in France on May 26, 2008, 05:42:10 AM
No, your not that slow!

In any case all good things come to those who wait.

Looking good.

Roger in France.
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on July 09, 2008, 04:50:58 AM
update :D
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug049Small.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug048Small.jpg)

billings did not give me enough planks to skin a 1/50 ship and none of the hobby shops
have the right size planks so i went with 3'' sheets,this works so much better ;D O0
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: barryfoote on July 09, 2008, 07:36:33 AM
Looking good, envious of your skill I am!!

Barry
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on July 10, 2008, 03:52:47 PM
after glassing the hull how important are the frames?
i want to trim a few down to fit the batterys
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: offshore1987 on July 10, 2008, 05:49:12 PM
So how much are you charging me for this model once its done?  ::)

plzzzzzzzz lol

looks fab though  O0 keep up the good work
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on August 18, 2008, 04:10:52 PM
strange thing happened yesterday :o i went to staples to enlarge some
parts, well  :o i told the girl to enlarge the parts 150% and she did.
      well it looked like she made the parts 350%  :o :o  now i know for the
hull and first deck i copyed everything at 150%  but now i'm wondering
if i made a mistake with my math or did the staples girl just mess up real bad!!!
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: DickyD on August 18, 2008, 04:57:15 PM
strange thing happened yesterday :o i went to staples to enlarge some
parts, well  :o i told the girl to enlarge the parts 150% and she did.
      well it looked like she made the parts 350%  :o :o  now i know for the
hull and first deck i copyed everything at 150%  but now i'm wondering
if i made a mistake with my math or did the staples girl just mess up real bad!!!
My son used to work for Staples so it's a fair bet they messed up.
Yours does look 50% bigger than original or the original looks 2/3 the size of the new one, so I would think you are probably OK. O0
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: Hagar on August 19, 2008, 01:53:31 PM
 O0 Great work so far. Looking forwards to seing the finnished project.

Have often wondered why Billings did the Rotterdam at 1:75 and the Nederland at 1:33  ???

Just picture the pair of them together at 1:33 scale......

The missus will never go for it! >>:-(
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on September 01, 2008, 04:06:57 AM
UPDATES O0
work is so slow on this ship with cutting the 1/75 parts then sanding
then enlargeing them to 1/50 :D
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug062Small.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug066.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug063.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug065.jpg)
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: Tug-Kenny on September 01, 2008, 01:03:38 PM

Smashing ....... well worth the effort.    O0

ken

Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: TugCowboy on September 01, 2008, 11:04:54 PM
That's a model that will draw the crowds wherever it goes!
I'm very jealous!

Alex
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on September 27, 2008, 09:38:26 AM
WELL its about time...........
 
 i get a phone call today  my korts,props and motors
made there way over from germany :o :o 3 months :(
the props are 60mm rivabo brass 4 blade and happy hunter
motors
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug070Small.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug072Small.jpg)
the props are on the smit hunter
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug071Small.jpg)
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: barryfoote on September 27, 2008, 10:43:02 AM
Mark

Now the fun starts amigo....Keep it going....

Barry
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: TugCowboy on September 27, 2008, 10:45:48 AM
Them props and Korts look the business!  O0

alex
Title: Re: upscaling a smit rotterdam
Post by: bigford on September 29, 2008, 03:26:07 AM
well there almost there
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug074.jpg)
i had to cut LARGE holes to let everything hang loose
now i patch up the holes