Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: hmsantrim on February 11, 2014, 04:41:46 pm
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see on the news to-day now that flooding has neared London Mr Cameron has called out the reserve forces for sand baging and pumping water and all the other poor beggars are left to get on with it. Dont think they will be having a regatta at Henley this year as its all under water. Guess they wont be voting conservative in the South of England next election after this mess gets cleared up.
Think its gone from sur la mer to dans la merde
Frank
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Now that it's close to home and affecting the
mega rich in the Thames Valley the Gang
will have to do something.
The Somerset levels are not front page now
that the riverside swimming pools of the r&f in
the Thames are being filled with sewage.
Ned
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I have a friend with a house close to the Thames in Surrey which is at very high risk of flooding if it hasn't already, she is not mega rich. I also recall working as a volunteer helping to distribute blankets back in the 1970s when the area flooded then. The people I came into contact with were not mega rich either. My parent's place was flooded out twice leaving a filthy mess and no, they weren't mega rich.
So I find this sort of sniggering at other people's misfortune rather pathetic. I was in Kingston yesterday and the amount of water coming town the Thames at fast running speed was pretty sobering. Being flooded is a frightening experience and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, or laugh about it either.
Colin
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Not sniggering Colin.
Just commenting on the fact that a lot more
was being done for the Thames Valley
than the Somerset Levels who have had this since
Christmas.
Ned
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I live in the thames valley and am far from rich in fact unemployed >>:-( I agree with Colin, also as far as the levels versus thames valley, I think population may have somrthing to do with it.
2,180,200 thames valley bucks, berks and oxfordshire, not including surrey.
120,000 is what i can find for the levels.
http://rdpenetwork.defra.gov.uk/funding-sources/local-action-groups/somerset-levels-and-moors (http://rdpenetwork.defra.gov.uk/funding-sources/local-action-groups/somerset-levels-and-moors)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Valley_Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Valley_Police)
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2,180,200 thames valley bucks, berks and oxfordshire, not including surrey.
120,000 is what i can find for the levels.
Exactly! And I have read somewhere that there are around 600 or so people/homes in the most badly affected area of the Somerset Levels. The situation there is certainly awful but it would appear that even had the rivers been dredged as everyone is calling for it would still have been insufficient to cope with the volume of water that has fallen in the area.
The number of properties and people affected in the Thames Valley is many times greater and the clear up costs will be proportionately higher. With limited resources available they need to be applied to where they will do most good but in reality when you get rainfall on the scale we have had recently there is only so much you can do. If you keep the water out of one place it goes somewhere else, it's a force of nature.
Unfortunately the 'blame culture' seems to have taken hold, irresponsibly fanned by the popular press. A disaster has happened so somebody must be to blame! Short of blaming the Almighty, that is rubbish. When an area floods, the water comes up with frightening speed everywhere at once. You can sandbag your front door but it will come up under the floorboards or along internal walls. In most cases you simply cannot keep it out. All you can do is to move your valuables upstairs and stack as much furniture you can on your dining table etc. A bit unfortunate if you live in a bungalow!
People are saying 'something must be done' but just what do they expect apart from evacuating elderly people to a place of safety? The whole thing is on such a scale that you can only hope to mitigate the effects to a marginal extent such as managing the waterflow in the Thames with the Thames Barrier. (and maybe shooting the reported looters!)
So associating the relief activity in the Thames Basin with the need to protect rich Conservative voters is just a bit insensitive not to say totally inaccurate.
Colin
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Who mentioned Conservative voters?
Ned
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Who mentioned Conservative voters?
Ned
Guess they wont be voting conservative in the South of England next election after this mess gets cleared up.
Frank
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Ned, I think your reference to 'The Gang' referred to David Cameron & Co and not to the Italian Mafia.
A lot of ordinary citizens are going through a very unpleasant experience and I'm not altogether sure that you quite grasp that.
Colin
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Colin
In December we were told to leave our homes
when the North Sea surge and gales were to
flood our homes
Don't tell me I have no idea
Ned
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Well I've just been put on emergency standby to assist with filling sandbanks and anything else that the RAF can think of. We even had our PT session cancelled and ordered into our Camouflage kit in preparation just incase. Looking at the weather report I can understand why, RAF met reports and the BBC clearly show massive rain and snow showers expected tomorrow with gale force winds to mix in too!
So you might see me or my fellow techies up to our knees in water or snow clearing East Anglia don't forget to give us a wave!
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Colin
In December we were told to leave our homes
when the North Sea surge and gales were to
flood our homes
Don't tell me I have no idea
Ned
And did they?
Sorry, I don't want to get into an argument but I felt your original post was not what I would have expected from you.
Colin
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Strange how none of the media have done a follow up on the Dutch Engineer with heavy drainage gear brought over from the Netherlands last Friday to start operations in Somerset. Despite Mr Cameron stating that however much money is required, it will be found, won't be enough for some.
Regards Ian.
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As someone who was affected by the floods in Gloucestershire in 2007 I have no illusions about the political right or left. The response then was as much as it is now which is too little too late. Although Tone had resigned 4 weeks earlier he was still handing over to Gordon 'if you don't agree with me your a bigot' Brown and neither had any or little interest in Gloucester, with Gordon paying one visit and making the remarkable statement that 'he would ensure Gloucester had as much bottled water as it needed ..........' And that was basically the total sum of the support. If it had been Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath I suspect his response might have been slightly different. Whether its the right or the left they are not the ones affected - its the poor souls flooded out and used as political points scoring pawns. For 95% of politicians regardless of their party the only thing that motivates them is 'will I look bad in the press' or 'kerrrrrching'.
It will take some years to recover and others will never recover. Not really a joking matter.
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Colin, you seem to live in a very tunnelled vision of a utopian world at times..................I don't think any of us don't have sympathy for those suffering, whether they be in Somerset, Cornwall/Devon, the Thames valley or in the outer Hebrides.............it's the totally unbalanced way in which this government has suddenly sprung into action when prime voters houses are now being inundated, and the main man stands up on tv and says money is no object.......had he said this when the environment agency had asked umpteen years ago to spend more money on dredging, flood release channels and other methods........we as citizens wouldn't be in the mess that this government has cause by reducing Environment agency funding...............and yet suddenly there the money is...........sorry Colin, but on this as with numerous other stands you make on here your vision is very blinkered indeed, and that is fact, not fiction.
neil.
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Neil,
You are clearly in the 'must blame someone' camp. I'm not blinkered, I spent over thirty years in local government and I know just how politicians react and I also know what the underlying realities are.
I'm not wasting any further time arguing. You once told me you could pick a fight in an empty room - too true!
Colin
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Gentlemen lets just agree to disagree - but agree on the shame it is that the plight of the suffers only now seems to be being dealt with :police:
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There's also the fact that this flooding is taking place on a 'flood plain', should give a hint really of what might happen.... can't control nature indefinitely. I'm sorry for all the people out there affected, but moaning that the government should've done more to stop flooding on a flood plain is a little silly....
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having spent 3 hours getting home from work today because a 7 foot wide 50 foot deep hole appeared in the m2 today, I have to wonder if it was caused by the excess of water around.
Grendel
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There's also the fact that this flooding is taking place on a 'flood plain', should give a hint really of what might happen.... can't control nature indefinitely. I'm sorry for all the people out there affected, but moaning that the government should've done more to stop flooding on a flood plain is a little silly....
Quite right. The truth is that the Southern part of the country is in an exceptional and almost unprecedented situation and the powers that be have understandably been caught off balance. The usual reaction is to try to find somebody to blame when in fact to a large extent all you can do is to cope with it as best you can and clear up afterwards - just like all natural disasters really. There is never enough money to do everything and there never will be. You could pour millions of pounds into trying to prevent another flooding situation only to find that the next hazard is something completely different such as the 1987 storm that blows everything over instead, or we might have a big freeze. These things happen, fortunately less often in the UK than in other parts of the world but you just have to accept that they do happen and you do the best you can.
Colin
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of course it the councils fault for allowing people to build on flood plains, not the developers or people wanting to build in a scenic location next to the river, oh no. I wouldnt buy a house on a flood plain and not expect occasional flooding in exceptional weather.
Grendel
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we had ditches which were 4 feet wide and 4 feet deep and our council have put in a 12 inch pipes so where does the excess water go--in to fields and around houses and have the clever folk trying to run the country realize the sea levels are rising over the last number of years
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I don't see any point in battering on about the unfair financial bias towards the South East, we all know it happens and isn't anything new.
But it's rather entertaining to see HS2 going on whilst a large part of the country is completely cut off by rail for the next 6 weeks or so.
Oh, and I'm not going to talk about the lives put in danger because of finance because it will make me angry.
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Just been watching the news. There has been so much rainfall in the South that the water table is effectively above ground level in some places. The water is literally just coming out of the ground. Where I live the water table at the moment is just a few inches below ground level. Stick a spade into the lawn and the hole fills with water. It's going to be a while before that goes down. I have a water meter under a cover in my driveway. The meter is about 18 inches down and there is a polystyrene float which forces up the cover if the cavity fills with water, I have had to remove the float as water is forcing itself into the cavity due to the high water table. I hate to think what it is doing to the house foundations.
Colin
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I don't see any point in battering on about the unfair financial bias towards the South East, we all know it happens and isn't anything new.
In terms of general public expenditure the South subsidises the rest of the Country. Been like that for years.
Colin
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In terms of general public expenditure the South subsidises the rest of the Country. Been like that for years.
Colin
A rather reckless statement from one usually so sanguine.
Could I remind you of my address, Admiral? I seem to have missed out on the subsidy cheques somehow, as apparently have the folk in Zummerzet.
DM (M.Fad)
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Living in Windsor I see first hand the devastation of rising ground water, up to 1/2 a mile from the river. As Colin rightly said when the water table rises above ground level it is not just the Thames overflowing. That's what shut the main rail line into London at Datchet.
Futile to just blame a "King Canute" for not having dug more ditches. Until the water table goes down there is nowhere to divert it to. The combined services are doing all they can.
By my reckoning we've had a lot more than 40 days and 40 nights of downpours. Maybe time our remaining shipbuilding capacity is switched to giant vessels designed for pair of animals.
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we had ditches which were 4 feet wide and 4 feet deep and our council have put in a 12 inch pipes so where does the excess water go--in to fields and around houses and have the clever folk trying to run the country realize the sea levels are rising over the last number of years
So what are the government supposed to do? Raise land level everywhere? Build a 20 foot wall around the country? Unfortunately nature is unpredictable, we can't be completely prepared for rising sea levels, floods, winds, extreme cold etc, it's all a compromise. This year has been extremely wet, normally I think flood defences actually do quite a good job, unfortunately this year the defences have been overwhelmed.
More specifically for the Somerset levels, it's drained marshland, most of it is actually below the high tide level, so it's going to flood pretty easily. It is naturally supposed to be wet land.
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In terms of general public expenditure the South subsidises the rest of the Country. Been like that for years.
Colin
Hmmm... only since we stopped making and building things.
Up until then, and what made Britain Great, was everywhere else.
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A rather reckless statement from one usually so sanguine.
Could I remind you of my address, Admiral? I seem to have missed out on the subsidy cheques somehow, as apparently have the folk in Zummerzet.
Hi Dave, nice to have your input but not reckless at all on my part I'm afraid. Having worked for a large County Authority for most of my working life I have seen how the taxes raised in the South have been applied to supporting local authorities in the North via the Rate Support Grant redistribution formula. It has been a well publicised bone of contention for many years. That is not to say it wasn't necessarily the wrong thing to do given the relative prosperity of the South East but even down this way we have our pockets of deprivation. Basically what was happening was that the centrally collected business rates were being redistributed in favour of Northern areas of the Country so that, for example, the rate given per pupil to Northern Education Education Authorities was very much higher than to their Southern counterparts. All this is on record if you can be bothered to look for it which I can't at this time of night!
Colin
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I think the problem with the news reports is that they are concentrating on the 'personal impact' situation. Of course individuals, quite reasonably, will be concerned with what is affecting them personally and I don't blame them. But when you look at the wider position as shown by the DoE flood warnings you get a better impression of just how overwhelming the flooding is and how little can really be done to stop it. As said in the post above, you can hardly build a 10 foot wall on both sides of the Thames and along its tributaries over 100 miles or so to try and keep the water in, especially if it is also coming up out of the ground behind you. All you can do is to wait for the weather to ease and the levels to drop. At that point flood relief can help in the clear up process.
Colin
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Has anyone noticed that, while parts of England "appear to be sinking", the land in the area of Japan is expanding ?
Could something be happening to the Earth's Axis ?
...it's just a thought - I've absolutely no hard facts to correlate the above observations {:-{
Regards,
Ray.
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We will gladly swap you some of our sun in exchange for some water.
Especially if it can be used to put our bush fires out.
Thick, smelly wood smoke all day in Melbourne and we are 100 Km. from the nearest fire! :((
p.s.
It has happened before
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Has anyone noticed that, while parts of England "appear to be sinking", the land in the area of Japan is expanding ?
Could something be happening to the Earth's Axis ?
...it's just a thought - I've absolutely no hard facts to correlate the above observations {:-{
Regards,
Ray.
From an old magazine article, I recall that Great Britain is `tilting`, with northwest Scotland rising, and southeast England sinking. Something to do with plate tectonics, IIRC.
If this is the case, things don`t look good for the London area over the long term.
Tom
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Anyone know if the proposed route for the HS2
is affected by the flooding or will it be on stilts?
Ned
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Just for a change, weather forecast here today is heavy rain and high winds, yet again !
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I remember Hull being criss crossed with drains and dykes, as a child I can recall fishing in them with nets for sticklebacks and newts, life was fun back then in the long hot summers (at least it seemed to be as a 7 year old) Roll on 50 years they have all been filled in to allow building land to be freed up, only two large ones remain one of which my home in Hull backs down to, am I worried? no!
Back in 2007 when we had the last major floods, rainwater was running a foot deep along roads, water was coming up through grates in the road like fountains and yes the water level in Barmston drain behind my house rose, it rose to the highest we could remember but never came close to overtopping the bank.
Our ancestors who dug these dykes and drains had the right idea to keep land that is lower than sea level (Hull is lower than sea level) dry. It seems that with the rapid increase in housing needs over the last 50 years our leaders have lost touch with reality. Maybe what we need to do is bring dykes and drains into the 21st century? They don't have to be on the surface, they can be piped underground with sufficient grating run-offs in strategic areas? If developers were made to install this sort of thing in the building phase maybe they would think twice about wanting to develop on flood plains.
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Maybe all the water filling up the land is pushing down and making the land in japan rise up %% .
Or, if your a daily mail reader
By George, its all down to all those illegal imigrants, so many the south is sinking under the weight (take in jest gentlemen).
next they will say theres a drought on its way for next week - we hope - its not long till april and the week long heatwave (have you noticed this for the last couple of years).
Sorry had to lighten this up a little, as for HS2 see my post on - (correction Railways).
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From an old magazine article, I recall that Great Britain is `tilting`, with northwest Scotland rising, and southeast England sinking. Something to do with plate tectonics, IIRC.
If this is the case, things don`t look good for the London area over the long term.
Tom
I have a solution. Move all the money from Canary Wharf to Oban and that should re-balance the whole shebang.
DM (M.Fasd)
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I don't think it is plate tectonics, it is simply the land re adjusting after being relieved of the weight of the glaciers during the last ice age - sort of bouncing back.
The idea that it is caused by banker's bonuses is an attractive one though....
Colin
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From an old magazine article, I recall that Great Britain is `tilting`, with northwest Scotland rising, and southeast England sinking. Something to do with plate tectonics, IIRC.[/size] If this is the case, things don`t look good for the London area over the long term.
It's been going on for the last 20,000 years, so the long term in this case is probably several thousand years until the next ice age comes along and things start to reverse - whether you'll be able to recognize the British Isles at that point, let alone London means I'm not worried about it... %)
Lance
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26146361 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26146361)
Here you go i.m about 3 miles from Chertsey. Was born in Chertsey and in 50 years have never seen the river this bad.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26146361 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26146361)
Here you go i.m about 3 miles from Chertsey. Was born in Chertsey and in 50 years have never seen the river this bad.
No it just means you haven't lived long enough yet %%
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Build a 20 foot wall around the country?
then we would have a 20 ft deep pond covering most of the country with the rain we have had. :-)
(Hey that would be great for boating....)
Grendel
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Do you think they have made any attempt to store any of the water??
most of the places that are flooding have hose pipe bans during the summer I was wondering if they could
pump it into large tankers then put it into reservoirs
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In terms of general public expenditure the South subsidises the rest of the Country. Been like that for years.
Colin
Been like it since the early to mid 1980's when the then government decimated and ripped the heart out of the manufacturing base of the north and midlands, then through everything at the finance sector to entice those organisations to set up camp in the south.
I'm sure there is a conspiracy theory in there someplace, it just needs a little work by those who can be bothered %)
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Some posts on Twitter from around the country - :o
Blimey! Had to hang on to a telegraph pole, the wind was so fierce! LOOK OUT! FLYING COWS!!!.......
Thank God for TV reporters standing outside in the wind & rain to tell us that it's windy & raining! pic.twitter.com/yTqQrJjT5z (http://t.co/yTqQrJjT5z)
(https://twitter.com/AllyFogg)
something big just blew past my window in Manchester. I think it was Liverpool.
This amazing photo is actually Sennen in Cornwall pic.twitter.com/0LZ7YdwPfd (http://t.co/0LZ7YdwPfd)
(pic) of Stonegate - the track has since been removed to allow us to reinstate the embankment . pic.twitter.com/v46BV4OfJf (http://t.co/v46BV4OfJf)
MeteoGroup UK @WeatherCast_UK 1h
Aberdaron breaks today's record again. A gust of 108mph was recorded there in the last hour pic.twitter.com/NLLSH8Ycci (http://t.co/NLLSH8Ycci)
M62 particularly bad at the minute with wind (http://t.co/NLLSH8Ycci)pic.twitter.com/75ZgvcTM4E (http://t.co/75ZgvcTM4E)
There is a lot of opinion that the situation in many areas is much worse than the media is reporting .
BBC now reporting that 42,000 homes in Wales are without power, and 18,000 in England.
Satellite radar map -
http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com/forecast/europe/radar/europe-radar-loop.php
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Been like it since the early to mid 1980's when the then government decimated and ripped the heart out of the manufacturing base of the north and midlands, then through everything at the finance sector to entice those organisations to set up camp in the south.
I'm sure there is a conspiracy theory in there someplace, it just needs a little work by those who can be bothered %)
How about, all the heavy industry removed from up north, and fat wallet bankers in the south, so they are now sinking and needing a bale out - (sorry not trying to offend just jesting) :embarrassed:
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Been like it since the early to mid 1980's when the then government decimated and ripped the heart out of the manufacturing base of the north and midlands, then through everything at the finance sector to entice those organisations to set up camp in the south.
There is a degree of truth in that but the underlying problem was that British industry had become uncompetitive due to developing nations undercutting it on costs and also a failure to modernise. Building something like an oil tanker requires relatively crude technology, it's just a big steel box with an engine stuck on the back and well within the capability of nations with less sophisticated capabilities and much, much lower labour costs. The reality is that there is no mileage in flogging a dead horse, the UK cannot compete in such markets. We needed to up our game to enter markets for which the emerging nations lack the technology and know how to compete in. Instead, as far as much manufacturing industry is concerned, we have allowed them to overtake us. It is still possible to compete as the Nissan UK operation shows but it is necessary to embrace new working practices and techniques and the Unions don't have a very good track record in this respect.
However, it is also true to say that successive Governments have not supported our industries in the same way as has happened elsewhere such as in France. They have been too content to favour the lowest bidder at the expense of maintaining UK manufacturing capacity. This will probably prove to have been a major mistake in the longer term.
I think the basic problem is that politicians tend to be ambitious but not very intelligent but that has always been the case.
Colin
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(http://www.mitchellcharlesworth.co.uk/media/47685/we're%20all%20doomed%20(200x193).jpg)
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Just driven down Blackpool prom after picking No 1 daughter from dance practice............ catastrophe...........Blackpool illuminations or what's left of them aren't faring well at all...........the prom's a jungle, littered with power cables and light bulbs.......just watched a Chelsea tractor slam into a wheelie bin on the prom..........and the idiot didn't even see it or stop..............hell, he'll have a headache in the morning when he sees the damage to his range rover sport, lol {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Probably out looking at the devastation, wonder if he'll go and ask for compensation due to foul weather damage?
Just think how more helpful it would be if all the gangs of media reporters in all the areas would be if they lifted a few sandbags between the reports?
Regards Ian.
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Strange how none of the media have done a follow up on the Dutch Engineer with heavy drainage gear brought over from the Netherlands last Friday to start operations in Somerset. Despite Mr Cameron stating that however much money is required, it will be found, won't be enough for some.
Regards Ian.
I agree with this, still it doesn't fit the Medias script so it won't be reported. I remember being a witness to a Belgian Airforce Jet crashing in bad wether into the hills outside Folkestone, many years ago. We called several National Newspapers and all gave the same Response. "Did it Crash on houses?, how many dead? Near a School? when the answer was "No" to all of these, " No Reader Interest" End.
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Back in the 70s, Townsend Torreson wanted 3 new Ferries ( No bad taste remarks about Free Enterprise please), they went to the big shipyards in GB, but finally went and had them built in Holland. The reasons? No British Yard would give them a Firm Price, nor a Finish Date. Imagine," Will you build me 3 Ships?" Oh yes. "How much will they be?" Dont know, hard to say. "When can I have them ? " No idea , when we finish them I suppose.
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Finally reported tonight on One Show, the pumps are working. More than can be said for the t****rs in anorack and waders spouting at peak news times that it's raining and flooding.
Regards Ian.
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I think this is all part of "dumbing down TV". They have to pretend the "be involved".
As if we don't know what some Whitehall office looks like in the dark after they've gone home!
Now if they reported from somewhere flooded shoulder deep (I'm not cruel), then I might watch!
Cheers
Danny
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Back in the 70s, Townsend Torreson wanted 3 new Ferries ( No bad taste remarks about Free Enterprise please), they went to the big shipyards in GB, but finally went and had them built in Holland. The reasons? No British Yard would give them a Firm Price, nor a Finish Date. Imagine," Will you build me 3 Ships?" Oh yes. "How much will they be?" Dont know, hard to say. "When can I have them ? " No idea , when we finish them I suppose.
I dont know why this has appeared in 'Flooding in England' post , BUT in the '70's -'80's there was a concerted effort to 'RID' the UK of shipbuilding, I've been in and around shipbuilding all my working life & I can assure you our prices would've been as competitive as anyone else IF WE HAD BEEN ALLOWED TO COMPETE everything was put in the way 'Export guarantees / no intervention fund access / import charges / etc etc . . .When the Japanese (gov' supported) could place prices cheaper than we could buy the Steel it was rather like banging your head against the dock wall . . . .(moderator please delete these two posts if they overstep forum rules) :police:
Bill >>:-(
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It did drift off a bit. %)
I guess, that's what make this Forum. :}
ken
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IF WE HAD BEEN ALLOWED TO COMPETE
No competition, we were the best in the world at lightning strikes. O0
Regards Ian.
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No competition, we were the best in the world at lightening strikes. O0
Regards Ian.
No argument from me , "Custom & Practice" used to be the battlecry of the Unions %% , had an altogether intransigent attitude to management, then they sold their members down the river by agreeing to "percentage pay increases" do the maths . . . £100 a week @ 10% or £200 a week @ 10% or £500 a week @ 10% . . . . so who'll get the most ? it wasn't us "dirty hands" workers that was for sure >>:-(
Bill
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Just in case you chaps hadn't noticed, there was an interesting and relevant letter in 'The Times' on Saturday last about the rights of way between boats and vehicles.
Assuming that the flooding is ' the high seas or WATERS CONNECTED THEREWITH' under the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, then there are clear rules.
Road Vehicles, being confined to the submerged roadway, shoud be regarded as being "Restricted in their ability to manoeuvre" and should therefore display from a mast three shapes in a vertical line: ball over diamond over ball. At night these are replaced by a vertical line of lights: red over white over red.
Immobilised vehicles would be treated as "vessels aground" and would be required to display three balls or three red lights in a vertical line.
Other vessels underway are then obliged to take avoiding action.
I trust that the above is of use to the general Mayhem Data Bank>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %)
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What on earth has unions etc etc to do with FLOODING YET AGAIN we seem to have gone left or is it right off course
Dave
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Just in case you chaps hadn't noticed, there was an interesting and relevant letter in 'The Times' on Saturday last about the rights of way between boats and vehicles.
Assuming that the flooding is ' the high seas or WATERS CONNECTED THEREWITH' under the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, then there are clear rules.
Road Vehicles, being confined to the submerged roadway, shoud be regarded as being "Restricted in their ability to manoeuvre" and should therefore display from a mast three shapes in a vertical line: ball over diamond over ball. At night these are replaced by a vertical line of lights: red over white over red.
Immobilised vehicles would be treated as "vessels aground" and would be required to display three balls or three red lights in a vertical line.
Other vessels underway are then obliged to take avoiding action.
I trust that the above is of use to the general Mayhem Data Bank>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %)
back when I was doing my time I recall being told of a very, very, old case of a car, driving thru flood water on the Thames as I recall, colliding with a vessel, and being prosecuted under the Rule of the Road (IRPCS).
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Having witnessed the flooding in Oxfordshire, reading about people bleating on about unions makes my blood boil. Spare a thought for those affected and who have lost so much.
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What on earth has unions etc etc to do with FLOODING
A few drips lead to a wave of misery. :-))
Regards Ian/
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I went shopping today, parked on the shore of lake Sainsburys.
Grendel
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Plenty of vacant mooring bollards :embarrassed:
Ned
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bbc news today full of the floods in London one week not a word about somerset 8 weeks
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Nice photos of the car park, know it well. Didn't you take a model with you? Would have been on TV for sure!
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Having just recently joined,,Ive read this topic from start to finish...and...find it strange....that after 3 pages of discussion..on the plight of all those who are suffering.....from this catastrophe.....The original topic poster...has not uttered another word.....the mind boggles....
wee speug...
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Having just recently joined,,Ive read this topic from start to finish...and...find it strange....that after 3 pages of discussion..on the plight of all those who are suffering.....from this catastrophe.....The original topic poster...has not uttered another word.....the mind boggles....
wee speug...
Aye Wee Speug,
It was a Scotsman that started it 8) 8) 8)
Ned
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RE:Having just recently joined,,Ive read this topic from start to finish...and...find it strange....that after 3 pages of discussion..on the plight of all those who are suffering.....from this catastrophe.....The original topic poster...has not uttered another word.....the mind boggles....
wee speug
Hi little sparrow.
yes a Scotsman may have started the thread as he wanted to empathise with those experiencing the hardship having been there himself. I thought it strange that no one on either side of the border had made any comment about their / our own humanitarian disaster as members are usually quite quick to comment on most topics in the news which affect them. The fact that my post has generated such debate has given members something to talk about as there was recent comment about the forum being quiet.
The fact I have not made any more comment in the thread is that I had expressed all in the original posting.
Frank.
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Found this on the BBC travel site for Hampshire,
Flood Street Flood Street Breamore, both ways at Breamore Hampshire - Flood Street in Breamore closed at the Breamore junction, because of flooding.
Surf
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Nice photos of the car park, know it well. Didn't you take a model with you? Would have been on TV for sure!
in this case a priority? the model or the car :police: