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Title: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: catengineman on June 30, 2007, 09:39:12 pm
As the UK becomes a "smoke free zone" well in the work place etc will this law encroach on the smoking of non tobacco products like herbal cigarettes after all if there is no tobacco in them then there is no nicotine in the smoke and therefore would the idea of passive smoking still stand

Just a question as spanner smokes (I quit over a year ago)

Richard,
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: gingyer on June 30, 2007, 09:41:52 pm
are "herbal" cigarettes not already illegal  ;D

Colin

Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: PSSHIPS on June 30, 2007, 09:44:17 pm
It means anything that burns fossile fuels and chemicals and gives off toxic fumes is banned, so no more cars, buses, trucks, planes, ships, boats, factories or in my opinion anything that kills people from breathing in the after affects.

 The wheels have finally fallen off completely!
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: dougal99 on June 30, 2007, 09:52:22 pm


Fossil fuel???            Where do you get your tobacco ???
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: PSSHIPS on June 30, 2007, 09:53:55 pm
Tobacco grows on a tree, the tree grows out of the ground, fossil fuel! ;)
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: dougal99 on June 30, 2007, 10:02:27 pm
Er .... OK.      So where do you grow your coal and oil ???
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: PSSHIPS on June 30, 2007, 10:07:57 pm
EH?

 This ban takes away the freedom of 12 million people in this country, if they "the government" had any idea, they would have made provisions for people to have a choice, ie smoking rooms and set aside areas indoors, not a blanket ban.

 Its a pitty, that people do not see the bigger picture, there are far more toxic things we breath in every day that are not due to smoking cigarettes or any other tobacco products, I say to those who doubt this, check the facts, it is still unproven that smoking kills unless you burn to death! 8)
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: catengineman on June 30, 2007, 10:11:30 pm
A. The new law applies to anything that can be smoked. This includes cigarettes, pipes (including water pipes such as shisha and hookah pipes), cigars and herbal cigarettes.

Found  that on a site which has sent spanne into orbit and I may have to move out for a year or two.

Now while I have quit I am not one of the reformed smoker type and I can understand what the smoker will feel like. Big Brother telling then what they can / cant do where or where not

FREE country (only if your in goverment)

Richard,
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: John W E on June 30, 2007, 10:15:21 pm
pet hate.....everything is blamed on smoking - I had a friend whose grandfather lived to the age of 96 he died not through smoking, because he smoked and worked down the pits from the age of 12.  he died through the NHS' bluinders (make that cockups) of mis-treating a war wound and the poor bloke bled to death in  his sleep and he used to get wrong off the nurses for trying to smoke in the ward - woodbines - to those who dont know what Woodbines are - they are whizzbang cigarettes or legalised maraghooooarna - cant spell it hahaah

jusst opened another TAB to go and google herbal cigarettes....and we will leave it at that.....


Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: catengineman on June 30, 2007, 10:17:28 pm
I have just had this thought

IF 'YOU' ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SMOKE ANYTHING------ A TOTAL BAN ON SMOKING

There will be a few FISH dealers in this town out of a job not to mention the cheese and some meats which are "smoked"

Richard,
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: John W E on June 30, 2007, 10:22:50 pm
Found  that on a site which has sent spanne into orbit

Catengineman this has got me creased  ;D ;D was this NASA - dont give a spanne about the spelling but its made me really laugh  8) 8) best laugh Ive had all week
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: PSSHIPS on June 30, 2007, 10:24:35 pm
Somebody better warn those girls down town then, a tenner a time they charge, they aint been banned and will carry on to smoke as many as they can all night long. Just something I have heard ;)
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: J.beazley on June 30, 2007, 10:33:48 pm
Does this mean that there will be a ban on using our smoke generators in our models ???

mmmmm i think NOT, as PSShips has said theres more ways and means of smoking  :o ;)

Jay
(gave up over a year ago)
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: catengineman on June 30, 2007, 10:37:54 pm
Somebody better warn those girls down town then, a tenner a time they charge, they aint been banned and will carry on to smoke as many as they can all night long. Just something I have heard ;)

The wife has just read through this thread and now wants to know where this place is where the girls smoke as they are ban free!

Richard,
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: sheerline on June 30, 2007, 10:38:47 pm
I speak as someone who has enjoyed smoking a pipe and roll ups for years. Smoking is an addiction, smokers are addicts and their addiction should not impinge on the freedom of others to enjoy life as they go about their everyday activities. Nor should smoking addicts expect to be accomodated by everyone who is not addicted to it. Is it expected that an employer, landlord or restaraunt owner or indeed anyone should go to the trouble and expense of creating an area where his employee/ customers can go to persue their addictive habit? Perhaps the smoker should pay to have the area created and if an employee, have his smoking time totalled up at the end of the month and have their pay docked accordingly!
Even as a smoker, I hated going into restaraunts and having somones smoke drifting across my table as I tried to enjoy my meal. I sat in a pub the other day and was being choked to death by two girls at another table who smoked constantly and I felt quite annoyed that I had to endure it. Setting fire to an abnoxios material and filling the room with its fumes when others in that room are expecting to breath clean air just aint cricket.
Consideration for others is the name of the game here.. thats what makes us civilised isn't it??
Before anyone says it, I am NOT a reformed smoker, I just try to be considerate!
  
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: slewis on June 30, 2007, 10:42:24 pm
I think you may all find  that the ban is on smoking in enclosed places . Ie workplaces ,bars, clubs and company vehicles. Basically anywhere that a non smoker is in a confined space that a smoker may occupy . Its meant to stop passive smoking .
All that said  it is interesting to note that smoking is not going to be banned in parliament or its associated bars and restaurants .


Hmmmmmmm  one rule for them and one for us peons !  
BTW I will still smoke in a company vehicle if I  am on my own but if with non smoking company I wont   as I never did anyway my rule also applies to anywhere I go .  Oh crap i am talking common sense and decency now ! Someone call the government or police  a member of the public is being rational  !!!!
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: catengineman on June 30, 2007, 10:50:36 pm
I don't think that the "government" would even concider a total ban on tobacco just think of the revenue that they would have to find from other places Oh well that would be us public then and the first in line would be the car owner (cos that smokes out the tail pipe)

Richard,
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: PSSHIPS on June 30, 2007, 10:54:17 pm
Yeah! One rule for them and all of us have to live with it, it don't matter what it is, we always get the rough end.
 I don't know about anyone else here, but, I am not voting for any of these clowns and their minions any more.

 They just make excuses for getting more money out of us.

 We need a fresh approach completely.

 Each to their own!
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: bigfella on June 30, 2007, 11:30:45 pm
Hi All

First of all the way I see it is the lungs are for taking Oxygen out of the air and mixing with the blood stream, I cant understand how anyone can say that smoking is a good thing. In almost all deaths in fires it is the smoke that kills. Having said that I used to smoke as a kid.

I have spent a lot of time in the local Public Hospital and have seen some horrific things that can happen to the human body after years of smoking such as vascular problems, lung problems, strokes, teeth problems etc  etc ................ In Australia smoking has been banned for a while, First in the office then in clubs and now in pubs and as the smokers used to huddle outside doorways smoking, now you cant smoke within 4meters of a building. I think the way the government see it is that the cost of public health from smoking related problems has tipped the balance from the funds received through excise on tobacco products. One of the cigarette co. are trying to circumvent the laws by using a hand held device that toasts a cigarette.

I used to play in a local band and after every gig I had to take my clothes that I wore that night and seal them in a bag before going home as the smell of the smoke on them almost made me throw up.

I don't begrudge the smoker enjoying his habit, but it is not mine, so don't share it.

Regards David

PS I can see in about 20 years or so that smoking will be on prescription only.

PPS And another thing that bugs me about smokers is the fact that they don't think twice about flicking the butts on the ground that really PI55ES me off.
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: portside II on June 30, 2007, 11:37:12 pm
My twopence ,like it or not
the smoking ban has beem brought in not to stop everyone who smokes to stop ,but to allow those who do not the chance to go out into an enviroment where they are not going to have their clothes saturated by smokers .
I was once a smoker myself so i know what it's like , yes the smokers among us and the civil rights avtivist's aswell will say it's an infringement of our civil libertys .
Ok so my pleasure is drink and the residue of that is urine  would you mind if i urinated on your clothes and saturated them as smoke does .
Yes its nice to have the choice .
daz
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: bigfella on June 30, 2007, 11:42:15 pm
My twopence ,like it or not
the smoking ban has beem brought in not to stop everyone who smokes to stop ,but to allow those who do not the chance to go out into an enviroment where they are not going to have their clothes saturated by smokers .
I was once a smoker myself so i know what it's like , yes the smokers among us and the civil rights avtivist's aswell will say it's an infringement of our civil libertys .
Ok so my pleasure is drink and the residue of that is urine  would you mind if i urinated on your clothes and saturated them as smoke does .
Yes its nice to have the choice .
daz
Well said
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: DARLEK1 on June 30, 2007, 11:43:26 pm
The problem I see, is that personal choice has been taken away, so no longer a free society, more a dictatorship, its OK for them, but, not us! It is unfair, wrong and down right silly! What is wrong with pubs etc, going back to the old school way and having "smoking rooms" it worked for many years in the past and only changed when BIG  money was required by the breweries, they gutted pubs etc to have open plan, so now, no more smoking rooms that they use to have, there is one easy answer, to those who don't want to breath even outside clean air which is impossible in a town or city, cut your wrists now, because it is going to get worse before it gets better and it won't get better, just worse.

 We all die in the end!

 
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: bigfella on June 30, 2007, 11:52:34 pm
The problem I see, is that personal choice has been taken away, so no longer a free society, more a dictatorship, its OK for them, but, not us! It is unfair, wrong and down right silly! What is wrong with pubs etc, going back to the old school way and having "smoking rooms" it worked for many years in the past and only changed when BIG  money was required by the breweries, they gutted pubs etc to have open plan, so now, no more smoking rooms that they use to have, there is one easy answer, to those who don't want to breath even outside clean air which is impossible in a town or city, cut your wrists now, because it is going to get worse before it gets better and it won't get better, just worse.

 We all die in the end!

 
Why should SMOKERS be the only ones who have rights in this debate. Non smokers have rights not to have smoke filled rooms or pubs or clubs.
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: RickF on July 01, 2007, 12:13:08 am
I gave up smoking 37 years ago. Since then six of my relatives have died of smoking-related diseases - cancer and emphysema. I have lost count of the number of friends and acquaintances who have gone the same way.

My grandfather smoked black "xxxxx" and lived to be 94. My father-in-law smoked and died aged 58. It's a lottery. I enjoy life and anything that increases my chances of enjoying it for a bit longer gets my vote. Sorry, Paul and all the other "victims" of tomorrow's smoking ban, but this is one bit of legislation that I have to agree with.

Rick
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: justboatonic on July 01, 2007, 12:53:33 am
We put our 'No Smoking' signs today ready for Monday (we dont open on Sundays thank goodness!)

What naffs me off is we can be fined if someone comes in our store puffin on the weed and refuses to put it out! What am I supposed to do, threaten them with a cricket bat if they dont put it out there and then?
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: OMK on July 01, 2007, 01:44:07 am
The wife has just read through this thread and now wants to know where this place is.......

Send 'er round to mine.

Mr. Sheerline is the only man to say it how it is. It all boils down to consideration. I love smoking, but I hate to see non-smokers wince as they're forced to inhale smelly smoke -- more so when they're eating.
My old Momma, she raised us on 'baccy, beer and clean clothes. So it's not hard to ask someone, say, in a pub or restuarant, if they mind you smoking, before lighting one up. Nine times out of ten they usually don't mind anyway - it is a pub / restuarant after all. And if they do mind, or if they're eating, then you simply sidle over to the juke box or shoot some pool and smoke at that end of the room.
Recall the scene from The Politician's Wife where the powers-that-be are sat in The Commons, puffing their cigars... in the smoking room. I wonder if the new law applies there also?
But Cat-on-an-engine's thread caught my eye because it says herbal in the title. But I didn't realise it was a question of morality - I thought it was a snippet about herbal fags. Spliffs... ganja... Bob Hope.... etc.
I was pleasantly surprised to hear Bob Wozniak telling the world how he "shared a few joints with his buddies" while talking computers. An old floozy of mine would say, "a contradiction in terms.". She was right. A genius like HIM?... smoking marajuana??!!!
So why do they say dope makes you dopey? How come dopey Wozniak got loads of $$$?
Gents, this latest law might just go the same way as the poll tax fiasco. Besides, The Blue Boar is the meanest, roughest snot-pit in town. I'm there last weekend and even the Plod are there enjoying a smoke. The week previous I'm at the swanky Walnut Tree Hotel, here in this village. Same attitude.... at one end stays the smokers, at the other end stays the non-smokers and diners. Somewhere in the middle is the bar where both sides congregate and dirink the place dry.

Last word to Mr. Sheerline...

Sire, my vocabulary doesn't normally do 'politician'. Can I ask you a couple questions?...

1) Have you ever considered being a politician? (Sounds like you'd be a good 'un).
2) Have you ever considered that vacancy for Knight Of The Round Table?
3) Did not some flooze Cleopatra kick-up a bit of stink when some bozo tried invading her rights?
4) Can you name the man who discovered longitude?


Final word to the whole group...

Gentlemen, apologies for hi-jacking this thread, but can you bear with me while I get this mssg out. Namely, a call to Dave Jacket and Bluebird:

Dudes, moving to new QTH tomorrow. Give me a couple days to get settled in and get the new ISP hook-up. I'll holler from there.
If either of you can fathom-out why the Mayhem site is the only place where my missives don't get bounced back....


Thanks one and all.
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: tigertiger on July 01, 2007, 03:12:23 am
As the UK becomes a "smoke free zone" well in the work place etc will this law encroach on the smoking of non tobacco products like herbal cigarettes after all if there is no tobacco in them then there is no nicotine in the smoke and therefore would the idea of passive smoking still stand


If by herbal cigarretts you are talkingh about the legal kind, then.

The do not contain tar so the smoke doesn't stick.
They do not contain nicotine, so non addictive.
But the smoke is still carcinogenic, can still trigger cancer.

BTW garden bonfire smoke is really bad, but I never did twenty of them a day.
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: RickF on July 01, 2007, 10:47:26 am
Just saw that the "censor" has changed my grandfather's "black sh*g" - a particularly evil-smelling tobacco - to "black smoke". Perhaps the ban extends further than we realise!

Rick
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: sheerline on July 01, 2007, 01:39:15 pm
Hi PMK, politicians are 'professional liars' so I don't want to be aligned with them in any way. I think smoking is a freedom we have all enjoyed and the 'right' to smoke has NOT been removed since we are all still at liberty to do it, we just need to respect the rights of others.
I have just been back to our old town, where we used to live 20 years ago and met up with my neighbours. We all looked a lot older and greyer and had a good laugh at each other but the laughter was cut short when they both announced they were short of breath and had emphysemia.. directly due to smoking! These chaps had given up smoking years ago and in one case, 20 years but the illness still caught up with him a few years after giving up. Now thats a worrying thought. Those dedicated to the habit may argue "well if it gets you even if you give up, why bother, I might as well keep going". The 'right' to kill oneself still exists in this way so I can't see what all the fuss is  about. Respect is something in short supply these days but in smoking terms, respect your fellow man.. put yourself in his place.
Think on this, we are all still at liberty to smoke in the street, I remember well my wifes clothes being discovered with a fag burn after going shopping, she had to throw it away and it cost her money to replace it. Someones 'right' to smoke in a public place cost her money and she has never smoked in her life! I can see a time when smoking in the street may well be banned and in fact I think this is the case in some cities in the States. Perhaps it might be a good thing?

Herbal stogies don't work, bin there ,done that, they are not a replacement and by crikey they are REALLY foul.

One last thought, if I was in a restaraunt having smoke blown at me from across the room by someone, would I have the 'right' to fart and waft it in his direction. Answer: yes I would! I don't do it out of respect (and I don't want my lights punched out either)!
OH GOD I Miss my PIPE!!!!
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: catengineman on July 01, 2007, 09:55:13 pm
The wife (spanner) has calmed down today and as a reward I helped her move a bush from the back garden to the front, She will continue to puff (her words) and WILL be asking why the lords and that can continue to smoke in THEIR place of work?

I gave up fags and it was my choice not from the need to improve my health but I had become 'bored' with the habit of lighting up. This story is not all roses and good stuff after about six months of not smoking I had a 'mild heart attack' while aboard ship, the doctor in the hospital asked how many fags I smoked a day? and it took several tries to convince him I had stopped, the smell from work mates and then my wife smoking was on my clothes. So now I am on the way to getting myself healthier.  (fat hope there)

Some times I get the smell of spanners tobacco and ? I'll not have another fag, but fresh tobacco can smell quite nice ?
I would not smoke at a meal table and would ask if I was in some one else's vehicle even if they were smokers.

as mentioned before it really comes down to Respect for others.

Richard
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: sheerline on July 01, 2007, 10:56:09 pm
I understand the term 'fags' is a slang word and a somewhat derogatory term used by our American collegues ( I won't go into detail) and I bet it brings a smile to their faces when they read our Brit posts!
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: tigertiger on July 02, 2007, 04:14:10 am
I was in bar in Canada in the early 80s. I asked the waitress 'how much are fags?'

she replied "I don't know how much they are cahrging these days, but cigarretted are two fifty a pack'
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: bigH on July 02, 2007, 12:26:51 pm
   Well TT you shouldn't have any problems with a cigggie ban, didn't I read somwhere that China is one of the biggest consumers of same as well as one of the biggest manufactures   ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: J.beazley on July 02, 2007, 01:42:03 pm
God help us all its monday and the new law is in place and i can say fellow staff members are SO SO STRESSY as they cant nip out for a fag anymore.

wont be long before someone cracks i expect ::), just as long as im well hidden when they do crack i dont care.

Jay
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: tigertiger on July 02, 2007, 04:07:33 pm
   Well TT you shouldn't have any problems with a cigggie ban, didn't I read somwhere that China is one of the biggest consumers of same as well as one of the biggest manufactures   ??? ??? ???

Yeh the cheap 'uns are about 15p a pack.
more salt petre than backy
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: sheerline on July 02, 2007, 08:20:12 pm
Sounds more like a box of fuses than fags!
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on July 02, 2007, 08:44:47 pm


Are they addictive ????

Ken
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: bigfella on July 02, 2007, 10:45:48 pm
Hi All

I visit our local hospital on a regular basis, while trying to enter through the main entrance you have to fight your way through the throngs of patients who are outside with their drips on poles having a crafty cigarette. It does not make sense to me.

Regards David
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: RickF on July 02, 2007, 11:22:54 pm
Patients? At our local health centre it's staff -  doctors, nurses and technicians. Is the message getting through?

Rick
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: cbr900 on July 03, 2007, 07:47:38 am
It's not only the patients that stand around at the doors, it would appear that more staff (docs and nurses) smoke more than any patient..........


Roy
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: bigH on July 03, 2007, 05:38:38 pm
    ;D  My mate called in to see me today laughing like a drain, when I asked him why the mirth? he said that he was in work  ( nurse in local hospital) and doing ward round with consultant who was showing off to visiting VIP, he asked a patient how he was and the patient said ok, but his chest was not good.   The consultant with a smirk replied "Perhaps you would feel better if you gave up smoking"' the patient replied, " I have never smoked but I worked with your father who smoked like a b****y chimney"...   Exit one red faced consultant....   bigH
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: OMK on July 16, 2007, 04:12:38 am
Question #3 in me previous missive gave mention to Cleopatra, when you knew all along that Cleopatra is a typo for Bodicea, right?
I've just returned from a mission down ye olde Harvest Moon. 'Mission' meaning it's the place where model-boat nutters, drinkers, diners, where even magistrates and ne'er-do-wells hang out - and have to shiver their goolies off in the cold while trying to enjoy that nicotine sensation.
i.e.: a pub. A place where smokers and oiks are forced from the inner cosy comforts of our fave public bars to the outer shivering windsept 2007 British July. Brrr!
As the powers-that-be deem it fit to ban its citizens from smoking in said establishments, should I take a leaf from Sheerline's book and start farting/wafting, farting/wafting while they're tucking-in to their cordon bleugh? As tempting as it is, nah, probably not. But I don't really care what the argument is - whether it be an issue of health, herbal, non-herbal, whatever... just PUH-LEEEES give us back our smoking snugs. BST has passed Somerset thus far, and it's too bloody cold to be loitering around the outside of pubs, looking like a refugee from Nicotine's United.


Surprised, too, that no-one came back with the answer to question #4. Surely one of you shanty-singing, rum-swigging, sea salts would have known it was John...............................
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: OMK on July 16, 2007, 04:29:42 am
If by herbal cigarretts you are talkingh about the legal kind, then.

Mate, where I come from herbal fags mean those funny-smelling ones -- the ones that get you arrested.
Is there such a thing as legal herbals, then?
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: Colin Bishop on July 16, 2007, 09:20:24 am
I wonder how long it will be before some boater with a smoke generator running his model on an indoor pool gets prosecuted?  ;D
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: DickyD on July 16, 2007, 10:00:44 am
As an ex smoker with emphysema I believe that some leeway should have been given to the smoker who still wants to risk his life. Separate smoking rooms in pubs etc.
However I would like to point out that if smokers could experience what it is like to suffer from emphysema they would probably give up smoking tomorrow.
For example we all sail boats, think what its like having to always have someone with you because you cant lift the boat, you cant bend down to put it in the water, if the car park is not next to the pond you need someone to push the wheel chair. You can only go to local shows as if you go further afield you need to arrange for an oxygen supply or load the car with cylinders. As for making your boats you can only work for short periods as the fumes from glue, epoxy, paint, soldering and not forgetting dust can leave you gasping for breath.
Foreign holidays are out because you cannot fly or arrange for oxygen.
In short lung disease affects absolutely every thing you do in your life, and I do mean everything.
The only good things are you get to retire early and you can lease a new car every 3 years, at a cheap rate on the Motability scheme.
One final thing, don't rely on the old adage "it cant happen to me", it can.
Lecture over.
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: cdsc123 on July 16, 2007, 02:32:13 pm
I gave up 10 days ago after a pack a day for 25 years, your previous comments regarding your condition helped me decide.
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: DickyD on July 16, 2007, 05:04:09 pm
Best decision you've made Christian, keep at it.
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: FullLeatherJacket on July 16, 2007, 06:04:43 pm
My friend Craig died of lung cancer in May. My friend Liam died of lung cancer in June. Both were life-long smokers, although Craig had given up for a while. Both had lost weight. Both looked drawn and haggard. Both had difficulty breathing. Both coughed up God-alone-knows what, and both were in constant pain.

I had to sit and clean off sticky, yellow, stinking gunk from Craig's workshop equipment with methylated spirits before I could use it, and I've had to clean off the same sh1t from Liam's personal belongings before we can do anything with them. I don't want to think what the inside of their lungs looked like.

Stuff the smoking ban, if that's the way you feel. Let's hear it for personal liberty - and nuts to the Health Fascists!

Carry on smoking if you want to. After all, it'll never happen to you..............

FLJ 
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: sheerline on July 16, 2007, 10:17:18 pm
Hi Dicky D, I am sorry to hear of your plight. I think you could do a lot of people on here a lot of good if you could explain your condition a little more, for instance: had you given up the fags prior to contracting emphysema, what were the initial symptoms, does it improve once you have given up or just get worse?  Someones personal experience often carries much more weight than some tv ad and is more likely to sink in with the potential 'giver upper'. I know this is a rather personal request and would fully understand if you chose not to reply to it but I just think you could save a few lives here.
Best regards.... Chris
 
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: OMK on July 17, 2007, 12:33:02 am
Nicely put, Mr. Sheerline.
Just for the record, I've been hooked on the weed since 8-yrs-old. Would I like to quit? Probably (the anti-social thing is driving me nuts). The thing is, my old man quit smoking 4 yrs previous to dying, and although he suffered chronic bronchitus since birth, it wasn't that easy for him to kick his habit.
For more years than I can remember the quacks had been begging him to stop. No amount of gov't-backed so-called 'frightener' campaigns nor any medical advice would sway him. Not that he didn't want to stop smoking, it was that he COULDN'T stop. Major difference.
Okay, so he got there in the end.
You know something, though?
From the day he quit, his health deteriorated waaaay beyond the speed of reasonably normal.
His doctor finally admiited that if he stayed with the weed, then he'd probably still be here now. Mentioned some techno-babble that his body simpy shut down because it couldn't accept such a sudden change.
Crazy, eh?
It gets worse...
He had an absolute loathing of those - especially the ex-smokers - preaching to him that he should quit, and how much better people they have become, blah. "Two-faced hypocrites", he called 'em.
The old goat didn't realise that he'd become the exact same sort of person that he loathed so much.

FLJ:
Nicotine-stained computers, huh? Ooof!... not nice!
You reckon that that's bad? Man, you ought to see one of my bro's. He can sit there, day after day, and won't even think to empty his ashtray before it's resembling a bleedin' mountain.

Me?... leaving sh***y second-hand smoke stains all over me widgets and gagets??
Perish the thought!
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: bigfella on July 17, 2007, 01:24:19 am
My Dad gave up smoking cigarettes a good 25 years ago and then took up a pipe it was when he used to clean his pipe that he realised what he was putting into his lungs, all that sticky tar. He just threw the pipe away that day and has never looked back. Mind you he was in the army as a younger man and was encouraged to smoke (as a lot of men were in the services) to stave of hunger and cold. Back then nothing like smoking could kill you and asbestos was a wonderfull thing. ::) ::) ::)

Regards David
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: John W E on July 17, 2007, 08:37:51 am
hi, Im going to have my two penneth in - yes I do have emphysema, but I try not to let it rule my life and yes I still have the occasional cigarette and I enjoy it.  When I was declared unfit to work the Company that I work for in their wisdom sent me to top specialist, but not only do I suffer from emphysema, but, I also have rheumatoid arthritis in my spine, arms, and hands.  The specialist said to me, after my comment, I will have to try and pack in smoking.    He then said if you pack in smoking straight away, you will be dead in 6 weeks.   

So, what all these do-gooders tend to forget is, all this wooo haaaa and shouting about Health and Safety didnt come about until the early 80s.  Some of the powers realised that some of the conditions we were working in were so bad, it would be lucky if a rat could survive. 

As it has already been said, working with asbestos - no face mask - told to either chew gum or smoke a cigarette - that was supposedly to stop us contracting asbestosis, same goes for the fibre glass industry when we were cutting/grinding the mouldings. 

I could go on.....and on......but what I will say is LET THOSE WHO WANT TO SMOKE - SMOKE IN PEACE - IF YOU DONT WISH TO SMOKE DONT SMOKE its your life and my life - we cant live each others lives.

aye
john e
bluebird
 
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: bigfella on July 17, 2007, 09:09:07 am
Hi All

I agree Bluebird, if people want to smoke let them, as long as it does not interfear with others who choose not too.

As a consequence to the growing health problems caused by smoking, in the future if people are warned of the dangers and health risks, when they do succumb to the Lengthy and costly medical attention who should foot the bill?? The Tobacco companies (as they profited from the sales of its product) Or the smokers who were warned about the dangers of the habit.

Before you all jump on me, I am talking about long into the future and not now. I am not having a go at anyone as I used to be a smoker.

Regards David
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: DickyD on July 17, 2007, 09:09:48 am
Shhhhh do you feel better now you've got that of your chest, so to speak, John ? :-\
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: John W E on July 17, 2007, 09:36:17 am
......... as far as who pays for what, should we not be saying the same about all the Drug addicts - and so far all I have received free from the British Government is my exemption from medical prescriptions and when I go down for tablets to the chemist I cannot get served for all the drug addicts waiting for their free 'fixes' what is the most expensive may I ask, my prescription or their drug habit.  At least I dont go round beating old women up and stealing their handbags to pay for my bad habit of smoking.  I worked long and hard and paid enough money in to the Government so in my time of need am I not allowed to have something back for all the paid taxes and I get penalised left right and centre because all my working life I paid into a good pension fund, so I receive nothing off the government for my hard graft and forward thinking.

Rant over, off soap box, back to me modelling - BEST MEDICINE IN THE WORLD apart from a wee dram Dicky eh.

aye
john e
bluebird
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: bigfella on July 17, 2007, 10:13:27 am
John

I was talking long long into the future about 50 odd years. I was not having a go. I off all people know what it is like to try and get some attention at our local hospital with renal failure while those who are overdosed on drugs and alcohol (usually the underage drinker who tries to put a lifetime of drinking into an hour) are put in front of everybody.

As for drug addicts well don't get me started.

But the way all governments are going, of denying responsability and making corporations take up the slack such as the James Hardy group being made responseable for the asbestos.

Regards David
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: John W E on July 17, 2007, 10:22:50 am
aye, BigFella, no - know you werent having a go at me - we are all mates together on here - but there are certain things which really aggravate me - and these things being one of them......but we all have a rant every now and then......and by hell I am doing some modelling with speed in anger  ;D ;D ;D 

nee worries....let em get on with it .......Im off to have another smoke......  :P :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Typing this with one hand as Ive glue meself to me model!
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: kendalboatsman on July 17, 2007, 10:27:24 am

Typing this with one hand as Ive glue meself to me model!

Hi John,

I've done that a few times over the weekend. Darned superglue!

Clive ;D
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: DickyD on July 17, 2007, 10:40:52 am
Hi Dicky D, I am sorry to hear of your plight. I think you could do a lot of people on here a lot of good if you could explain your condition a little more, for instance: had you given up the fags prior to contracting emphysema, what were the initial symptoms, does it improve once you have given up or just get worse?  Someones personal experience often carries much more weight than some tv ad and is more likely to sink in with the potential 'giver upper'. I know this is a rather personal request and would fully understand if you chose not to reply to it but I just think you could save a few lives here.
Best regards.... Chris
 
Hi Chris I don't mind giving a bit more information if it will help someone to learn from my mistakes.
First I was still smoking when I was diagnosed.
The first symptoms were a shortness of breath when when exerting myself, I was a builder. Then there was the smokers cough which was getting worse. I then started to get a fairly serious shortage of breath when working in dusty conditions, not  good for a builder. I started to struggle carrying heavy weights especially on stairs or ladders.
I went to my GP who sent me for x-rays. When the results came back the GP asked me to call in the surgery where she told me I had emphysema, I packed up smoking that day [9/11] and I haven't smoked since.
The emphysema has got worse since then. I had to retire the following April and haven't worked since. Previous to packing up work I cannot remember the last time I was sick.
I have been bluelighted to the hospital twice and on the second occasion my wife was told to expect the worse, this was cause by an excess of CO2 in my blood caused by the lungs not working properly. The CO2 effectively shut down my internal organs.
I also suffer from cellulitis which is an infection in my legs that can make the legs swell to twice there normal size and is a side affect of poor circulation.
As I said previously this disease affects every aspect of your life. You think of something that you do and this will affect or prevent you doing it. Your life very nearly comes to a standstill .
Air quality which the average person doesn't notice can confine you to a chair because of the breathlessness.
Shaving can result in having to sit down for 5minutes to get your breath back.
Filling kettle and making tea can have the same affect.
You can not plan to do anything as you don't know how you will be on the day.
Boat building has to be done in short spells because the of fumes from paint glue solder etc
If you need anything lifted or carried you need help.
A lot of walking is out , you need a wheelchair and someone to push it.
If you need to pop in a shop you have to park right outside because it will be too far to walk otherwise.
You will learn to hate able bodied people who park in disabled parking bays, or use disabled toilets.
You are not allowed on a plane again because of the low oxygen and low pressure in the cabin.
For me that means I will never see my mum or sister and her family again as they live in New Zealand.
I have to be on oxygen every night which makes going away a bit of a problem.
Talking of nights, sometimes it can be a struggle to get upstairs at night, might have to stop a couple of times to get my breath back.
I hope I haven't waffle on to much but it is very difficult to really tell it like it is.
I hope you can now see why I spend so much time on here, it is the nearest I get to meeting and speaking to other people. Sad or what ?
The one thing I forgot, the medication, I collect 2 months at a time and it comes in two carrier bags, so ask the wife to empty out a kitchen unit because you will need it. [See photo]
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: Colin Bishop on July 17, 2007, 10:49:18 am
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I hope you can now see why I spend so much time on here, it is the nearest I get to meeting and speaking to other people. Sad or what ?

Not sad at all Richard, just making the best of a bad job. I suffer from severe deafness and normal social(!) intercourse can be an effort despite two powerful hearing aids. Using the phone can be a disaster if I don't know who I am speaking to or what it is about.  On this forum all those problems go away.

What a sad bunch of misfits we all are!  ::)
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: John W E on July 17, 2007, 12:46:44 pm
Sad, never, I have made a good many friends on here Richard, including yourself.   

Sad or what would be doing absolutely b***er all and there is no chance of that as long as we can enjoy our hobby and hey NAME THAT SHIP.

JOhn

Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: DickyD on July 17, 2007, 01:11:43 pm
NAME THAT SHIP John, now that is sad. :-[
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: cbr900 on July 17, 2007, 02:48:00 pm
Bluebird,

I totally agree with you mate, I also have the dreaded emphysema and yes I still smoke, why you ask, two reasons 1: I have smoked for 50 years, 2: I still enjoy them, and all the whingeing going on on this thread is rubbish to a degree, I have never smoked in someone else's car without there express permission, and I don't smoke at restaurants at all I wait till I am outside, which means basically if everyone used common sense this thread would be dead long ago, and yes I am restricted to what I do in that it takes longer as I have to stop for rests, but thats my problem, I am not complaining about it, it is a fact of my life........
PS If the giggies are going to kill me I will at least die happy..........


Roy
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: Colin Bishop on July 17, 2007, 03:01:07 pm
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PS If the giggies are going to kill me I will at least die happy..........

I've never had a ciggie in my life but I agree that people should be left to excercise their own responsibility as long as it doesn't directly affect others.

On the other hand, when you've actually watched somebody expire from lung disease (my dad), I don't think that "die happy" is the phrase I would use.
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: cbr900 on July 17, 2007, 03:07:33 pm
My Father went in a similar fashion Colin and it was not all that pretty, I have been saying for years that when I reckon I have had enough I will go for one last ride on the bike and pick a large tree approximately 200 mph into the trunk should solve the lingering bit....


Roy
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: John W E on July 17, 2007, 03:25:44 pm
What we have to remember, is
'Life is for living and your God didnt put you on this earth to sit and worry about how you are going to die - so enjoy your life'
No matter how difficult the path feels, there is always someone worse off than yourself.

aye
john e
bluebird

P.S.  Has anyone ever tried CAMEL 'dung' cigarettes - they are bl%%dy awful  :P
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: Colin Bishop on July 17, 2007, 03:45:45 pm
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P.S.  Has anyone ever tried CAMEL 'dung' cigarettes - they are bl%%dy awful 

One hump or two John?  ;D
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: sheerline on July 17, 2007, 04:40:54 pm
Hi Dicky D, what can I say, your last post was unbelievably detailed and explicit. The anti smoking ads pale in the face of your post and I think it will definately impact on all the other lads on here who have been considering giving it up. I think this thread (which has detracted a bit from herbal cigs) has been a very useful and enlightning excersise. I for one can see you have told it like it is and express my thanks for your your time and effort.
I have to confess to having more than the odd fag, having gone back to it after a nine year layoff (how stupid is that?), this was brought on by a severely stressful moment in my life and having been at it again for the past three years, I have really felt the impact of it upon me. Your post has really hit home and I am sat here looking at my packet of baccy in a very different light.. I will keep you posted as to whether I have the guts or common sense to heed your warning!

Many thanks again Dicky and all the best to you.
Chris
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: DickyD on July 17, 2007, 06:04:30 pm
Thanks Chris, it was difficult to do as I did not want it to look like I am feeling sorry for myself. If I can get one person to give up it will have been worth it.
As John says ,life is what you make it. What the hell I got to retire early, I get a new car on the Motability scheme every 3 years and I can spend as much time as I like doing my boats, free prescriptions [thank god ] and now I get a free bus pass [ what's a bus ?]
Anyway I blame the government for my troubles, they never told me that the ten years I worked with asbestos would affect my health and they never told me in 1960 that smoking was dangerous.
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: DickyD on July 17, 2007, 06:11:40 pm

. I suffer from severe deafness and normal social(!) intercourse can be an effort despite two powerful hearing aids. Using the phone can be a disaster if I don't know who I am speaking to or what it is about.  On this forum all those problems go away.

Sorry Colin I didn't realize you had a hearing problem, would it help if we posted in upper case in future ? ;)
Don't know what its like but I have a mother in law who's deaf as a post and I know she finds certain things vary hard work.
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: bigfella on July 17, 2007, 11:06:39 pm
Hi All

I did not know that we all had problems with health, although mine is more mobility and the occasional renal failure, but the thing I have found is that when you are at your lowest the best thought is the glass is always half full and the power of positive thinking is amazing.

Basically that is why I am on here a lot as my only outings these days are trips to outpatients and the odd sit down at the shopping centre when my wife does the shopping. In this world you need friends and I feel that this forum has the best bunch of friends on it.

Regards David
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: Colin Bishop on July 17, 2007, 11:23:58 pm
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Sorry Colin I didn't realize you had a hearing problem, would it help if we posted in upper case in future ?

EYES ARE STILL OK AT THE MOMENT RICHARD!
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: taxi on July 18, 2007, 12:31:54 am
Dicky's story should scare the s - - t out of any smokers on here.     Way back in 1974 my old boy fell off the perch at the tender age of 49,  six years later it was the old girls turn at 57.   Heart attack for one and the big C for the other.    Both were heavy smokers, 40+ a day.    I haven't had one for over 20 years  but I must confess to having an enormous drag of a fag 8 years after I stopped.    Absolute heaven, all the old cravings  came rushing back and I had one heck of a job staying off them for the rest of that night.   Even now, 12 years later, I would like to spark up another,   a drug it most certainly is.   Cravings were terrible,  I want one,   I need one,   why should I stop,   I enjoy them,     headaches,  feeling sick.     STOP  NOW, take it minute by minute,  if you can stop for one minute you can stop for five and so on.     Polo mints a plenty until you are sick of the taste then promote yourself to the extra Strong's.    Tell all your friends, relatives and workmates you have stopped and if you stay off them they cannot take the p - - s.      Rant over,  good night and may your God go with you.           
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: slewis on July 18, 2007, 10:43:38 pm
WOW  great post Richard (http://shutter01.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/05/002/1F/7F/C8/FF/oHFGsgrPFI9tQ8Hlsf-1Lg1ogl8urnR7001A.jpg)

I would love to meet up with ya sometime so I could shake your hand and say stuff this crap   lets go boating and have some fun instead .
I think you are southampton ? Hmmmm  a bit of a trek but might be nice to come say hello and we can have a laugh at your pond for a few hours ? Up to you chap I can fit a weekend in so we can have fun (http://shutter01.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/05/002/1F/7F/C8/FF/oHFGsgrPFI9tQ8Hlsf-1Lg1ogl8urnR7001A.jpg)

Shane
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: Colin Bishop on July 18, 2007, 11:11:58 pm
Yes, why not a Dicky D day for all within reach? (Non smoking of course!)
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: Bunkerbarge on July 19, 2007, 12:04:17 am
I have to say gents this has been one of the most moving threads I have ever read. 

Dicky I really think your post took a lot of courage as you wouldn't want to be seen as feeling sorry for yourself but it gives such a powerful picture to anyone who is still a smoker.  I myself stopped for six years then started again when I spent some time with an American girlfriend who smoked a lot.  She left but the habit remained!!

I had to go through the whole process again and I have now been off them for about eight years but last night I did a bar-b-q for my lot as I am going home on Sunday and to have something to eat outside on the deck with the warm sun going down and a glass of red in my hand I could have murdered for a cigarette.  I have always been convinced that you are a smoker for life, whether you are actually smoking or not and you need to realise that if you are going to stay off them.

I thank you whole heartedly Dicky for sharing your life with us and maybe just making a difference to someone out there who might just be spared what you are going through.  Don't think for a minute though that you don't have plenty to offer, writing to this forum and encouraging youngsters to enjoy our hobby and passing on your time and experience is worth it's weight.

One thing that made me think was Colins comment about a Dicky D day and Shanes comments.  How many times do you see an add for a load of model stuff up for grabs and the reason given is that they had to give up for health reasons?  I think it is really sad that there aren't enough people in thier lives who cannot find it in themselves to take them down to the pond in a wheelchair, take thier boats and gear, sit them on the bank, stick a radio in thier hand and let them enjoy thier hobby for a couple of hours.

We don't do enough for each other nowadays and it saddens me the more I see it.

Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: Shipmate60 on July 19, 2007, 12:58:15 am
DickyD at Whitely
He is the one smiling with transmitter in his hand while his boy needs the wheelchair after all the running round.  :)

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3599.0;attach=9612;image

Bob
Title: Re: Herbal cigarettes
Post by: w3bby on July 19, 2007, 12:05:35 pm
Good post Richard, should be made into a poster for schools. Respect for your willingness to put yourself out there.
I gave up the weed in February after 30 years, no regrets and no feelings for it. I now describe myself as a non-smoker not an ex-smoker. Biggest problem was what to do with my hands, I get more done now. Just a few kilos of "giving up smoking weight gain" to get rid of and I'll be a happy camper.