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Title: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on June 25, 2014, 06:23:05 am: Hi Folks...

I have hung around and asked a few questions and now I've made a start on my daughters Springer.....

This is the first proper build I've done in a long time as everything else so far has been composite hulls....

anyway, in just a few hours, I had marked out and cut all of the parts for the hull and if I had more time I think I could build one of these little beauties and get it in the water in two or three day... nice a simple! :-))

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That's where she is right now... I've got this far with parts I had laying about apart from the batteries

Lets see IF I get any time this week....???
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: derekwarner on June 25, 2014, 07:11:03 am: Well done Dave ok2........I am sure your daughter will love her 'Springer'..... will you paint it PINK for her?

Just one question.......the 'rules & regs' for Springers have not made it to our shores in OZ %) ....but are water cooled motors allowed in UK for this series of craft? {-)

Derek
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on June 25, 2014, 07:00:12 pm: Quote from: derekwarner_decoy on June 25, 2014, 07:11:03 am
Well done Dave ok2 ........I am sure your daughter will love her 'Springer'..... will you paint it PINK for her?

Just one question.......the 'rules & regs' for Springers have not made it to our shores in OZ %) ....but are water cooled motors allowed in UK for this series of craft? {-)

Derek

Thanks Derek...

PINK???I was thinking of doing it a Hello Kitty theme! ;) But no! I chickened out there!
I will do it a basic looking, non-original build but I'm sure she will have bags of fun running it... :}

As for the rules and Reg's... I'm not planning of running any comp's but, I also don't think the cooling will be necessary???
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on June 25, 2014, 07:06:38 pm: Hi,
I do have a couple of questions (at the risk of looking stupid) :embarrassed:

Firstly, I am following the plans by Ken Reilly but, Even though I am fitting the exact batteries as detailed on the drawing, Do I run it 6V or 12V?

Secondly, (and this is the real stupid one...)

What do I use the seal and paint the wooden hull???

Please bear in mind I haven't built a wooden boat for maybe 20 years or so.....

Thank you in advance for any friendly banter about to be bestowed upon me! {-)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: MLT44 on June 25, 2014, 10:01:51 pm: Hi
I've nearly finished building one for my granddaughter, and you'll have guest It's PINK. Now to get back to yours, I sanded mine down, then I gave it three coats of sand sealer, sand down between coats, gray primer, under coat, then gloss. It sounds a lot, but if you don't the grain shows. I hope this helps you. By the way she looks great.
Dave
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Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on June 26, 2014, 05:51:55 am: Thank you! that's great!

Have you got pic's of ~~your your~~ granddaughters Springer?
I'll have a look.... :-))
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: MLT44 on June 26, 2014, 05:17:02 pm: Hi
Sorry not at the moment, still having a battle with posting pics, but I'll get there one day. >>:-(
Dave
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on June 26, 2014, 08:16:56 pm: Quote from: MLT44 on June 26, 2014, 05:17:02 pm
Hi
Sorry not at the moment, still having a battle with posting pics, but I'll get there one day. >>:-(
Dave

is it the size of the picture? i take pictures with my phone, load them up to Photobucket and just pop the pictures link in here...

here's one....
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Ooops! that's up there ^^^
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on June 27, 2014, 09:39:53 pm: Ok,

I got a little work done ahead of another very busy weekend... {:-{

I sanded the sides of the joints and stared to fill some small gaps...

I also fitted the rudder and skeg...

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I know... the rudder looks rubbish but I did say, I'm mostly building this out of my parts bin! ;-)

I am hoping to get the deck on this weekend and maybe get some of the top done???
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: html on June 27, 2014, 10:11:03 pm: I have always run my springers on 6volt, so wire the batteries in parallel this gives good running time. You do not need high speed, because all you will get is a submarine. Do not forget to put a coaming around the access holes in the deck, you will need them. I usually make mine about 20 - 25mm high

Brian
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on June 27, 2014, 10:57:25 pm: Thanks Brian,

I have coaming in the back of my mind....

6V it is! :-))
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 28, 2014, 05:48:59 am: Also, it's worth tapering / rounding off the rear end of your skeg to allow for smother water flow....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on June 28, 2014, 08:55:52 am: Quote from: Martin (Admin) on June 28, 2014, 05:48:59 am

Also, it's worth tapering / rounding off the rear end of your skeg to allow for smother water flow....

:-)) Got it :-))

I have to go out for some filler and other stuff today...

Once the filler is done, I will shape the skeg.
I also need to make some knees before I can put the deck on.... :-))

I must say, this is a fun build! :}
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on June 29, 2014, 06:18:52 pm: Well... Even though I had a long list of jobs to do, I put them off to get some work done on the springer!
I made the basis for the knees and fitted the deck....

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Then, I cut the access hole but soon realised the rudder was stuck! {:-{

So, I had to cut a second hole over the rudder and made a cover for that...

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Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 04, 2014, 03:41:05 pm: Hi everyone....

Is the 18" X 8" Springer to a specific scale?

If so, What is it? I only want to know so I can design my super structure and any fittings I might use...

Thank you! :-))
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on July 04, 2014, 04:16:43 pm: No , just let the imagination run wild. Nice build BTW :-))
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 04, 2014, 06:41:37 pm: Quote from: arrow5 on July 04, 2014, 04:16:43 pm
No , just let the imagination run wild. Nice build BTW :-))

Thank you arrow5!

"Run wild"? Oh no... Some of the Springers are amazing... like Red October!, Umi's build and so on....

I think this one will be very run of the mill by their standards! :D

I have seen some great builds on here and this is not that good but thanks!

Ok, I guess I'll have to draw things up and see what happens....

I have almost finished the knees and the coaming so it's getting there... :-)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 04, 2014, 08:17:55 pm: Here's one idea I had for the top...
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on July 04, 2014, 08:45:35 pm: YES that`ll do nicely !
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 04, 2014, 08:51:07 pm: Quote from: arrow5 on July 04, 2014, 08:45:35 pm
YES that`ll do nicely !

I've been looking for more views of it but nothing!!!
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 16, 2014, 06:18:59 am: Well.... I have made a little progress...

After sealing and sanding, and sealing, and sanding, and sealing, and.... I think you get the idea....

...the hull is now silky smooth and almost ready for paint...

I have also made a start on the super structure... I was going to follow the design of the SAR boat above but I think it looks better this way round????

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Getting there. :-)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: cuppa on July 17, 2014, 01:57:50 pm: Very nice work Sir
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 17, 2014, 09:05:00 pm: Quote from: cuppa on July 17, 2014, 01:57:50 pm
Very nice work Sir

Thank you cuppa but the fat lady hasn't sung yet! %) let's see how it ends up...??? :-)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 20, 2014, 11:29:36 am: And some more work going on today....

I'm acutally supprised how it seems to be coming together naturally... :-)

The details are a pain but I'm loving it none the less! :D

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... and a view of inside the wheel house...
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As ever, please do give any advice where needed... :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 20, 2014, 11:46:04 am: Looking good! :-))
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: TheLongBuild on July 20, 2014, 12:04:03 pm: Looking great, very nice lines.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 23, 2014, 05:55:11 am: Ok...

So, I've not got much done this week so far but last night, I fitted a tow bar and the electrics to my wifes car and then got to work on the Springer...

Not much but I sorted the crappy window frames and started detailing the inside of the side hand rail bits... (not sure what they are called???)

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Inside hand rail lbits...??? Lol...

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Anyway, I need to hit this as we hope to take it to the Isle of White with us in August....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on July 23, 2014, 11:38:55 am: Bulwarks. :}

It looks good. Don't down yourself.

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 23, 2014, 09:22:22 pm: Quote from: Tug---Kenny on July 23, 2014, 11:38:55 am
Bulwarks. :}

It looks good. Don't down yourself.

Cheers

ken

Bulwarks to you too Ken! :P Ha, ha... Thank you... :-))

I am a self critic but I really do want to make a good job of what I do... whatever it may be...

For now... The build goes on.... :-)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 24, 2014, 09:20:01 pm: Ok, It's getting late in the game now and I need a little advice....

I've been working on the hand rails and "BULWARKS" I'v also built a funnel of sorts.... I'm not sure about that though???

Can I get a vote on it??? or suggestions???

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Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 25, 2014, 05:52:31 am: I'm thinking I prefer the funnel to be square???
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: derekwarner on July 25, 2014, 06:48:28 am: That inverted/convex glass system for the bridge deck looks great :-)) Dave

Are you really allowed to place the model on the Calisia classical piano stool? {-) is the Calisia Spanish? :P

The funnel is neither here nor there.......just get on & give her a coat of paint %) .... Derek
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on July 25, 2014, 10:54:59 am: I would make it taller than the cabin and back a bit from the building. (is that the word) {-)

Cheers

Ken
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 25, 2014, 11:24:00 am: "building"... wheelhouse?!
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on July 25, 2014, 12:41:36 pm: The funnel ( chimney/exhaust stack) is fine , add a curved tube stub. Look in the local plumber`s supplier for a suitable copper pipe corner bend or straight stubs cut at an angle. Nice build all together.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on July 25, 2014, 01:07:37 pm: Some straight alloy tube exhausts.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 25, 2014, 05:31:01 pm: Quote from: derekwarner_decoy on July 25, 2014, 06:48:28 am
That inverted/convex glass system for the bridge deck looks great :-)) Dave

Are you really allowed to place the model on the Calisia classical piano stool? {-) is the Calisia Spanish? :P

The funnel is neither here nor there.......just get on & give her a coat of paint %) .... Derek

Hi Derek.

Thank you... It was a little fiddly but it fits together ok...

Hey, I was going to be a £10 pom in your area back in the 70's!!!

BTW, Just don't tell the wife about the stool!!!
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 25, 2014, 05:33:23 pm: Thanks for the input guys! I'm just not sure if I like the hex' section???

I might make up two funnels and see???
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Big Ada on July 26, 2014, 06:37:05 pm: Why not make two Superstructures and have two Spingers for the price of one ( nearly ).

Len.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 26, 2014, 06:58:49 pm: I've been doing some work today and it's getting there....

I finished the bulwarks and hand rails, changed the funnel and temp' fitted some exhausts, and fitted a tow post...

Almost ready for paint I think???

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Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 26, 2014, 06:59:54 pm: Quote from: Big Ada on July 26, 2014, 06:37:05 pm
Why not make two Superstructures and have two Spingers for the price of one ( nearly ).

Len.

No, no, no Len! When I've done this one, I think I'll make plans to build another for me....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: CyberBOB on July 26, 2014, 11:34:39 pm: Yeah, 1 more hull.

And 2 more superstructures!
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 27, 2014, 02:32:02 pm: Quote from: CyberBOB on July 26, 2014, 11:34:39 pm
Yeah, 1 more hull.

And 2 more superstructures!

I'm struggling to find time to get this one done! Who want 4 superstructures????

I will draw mine up in three weeks after our holiday.... and as for this one, I sould have paint on it today! :o
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 27, 2014, 10:11:31 pm: One is not best pleased! >:-o

Today, I have been filling, sanding, sealing and sealing and sanding......

Then I started to prime........

I did the superstructure and most of the top side of the hull and my wife called me for dinner.... after that, 2hrs later, I went back to have a look and finish priming the hull and oh no!... I'm not sure the primer is compatible with the sealer???

For the most part it looks ok and in some areas, it's split like it'/s shrunk and slid??? Oh "xxxxx"!!! {:-{ {:-{ {:-{

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You can see some "splitting in the primer on the deck to the right..

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And then....

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Now I'm not sure what to do about this??? {:-{
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on July 28, 2014, 10:13:54 am: Yes, you have a chemical reaction there.

Can you list the products you've used for confirmation. i expect you are going to have to sand it all off.

Ken
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 28, 2014, 11:42:17 am: Yeesh! that's the same reaction I had when painting my failed Pegasus build....

Possible causes:
1. Incompatible paints.
2 Incompatible batches!
3. Old paint.
3. Too much paint.
4. Contamination
5. Aliens

It was suggested to me that after sand down, several light coats (dusting) was the way to go.....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 28, 2014, 05:52:25 pm: Thanks guys, I took it to a paint guy at work and he's sure it's too much paint!
just in local areas where I've tried to get good coverage too quickly! some sanding and re-prime....
%)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: CyberBOB on July 28, 2014, 07:00:37 pm: I hope that is all it is. I've had that happen before.

Primer dries so quickly, I've learned through experience multiple light coats is faster in the long run. Usually makes sanding it down easier too.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 28, 2014, 07:26:00 pm: Quote from: CyberBOB on July 28, 2014, 07:00:37 pm
I hope that is all it is. I've had that happen before.

Primer dries so quickly, I've learned through experience multiple light coats is faster in the long run. Usually makes sanding it down easier too.

Yup!

Well, I've just spent a while sanding off the worse of it and given it a light "1st coat" of primer and it looks way better already!
I'll give it another coat and maybe start on the white before I turn in.... :-))
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Stavros on July 28, 2014, 09:06:30 pm: OK what primer have you used

Dave
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 29, 2014, 07:01:15 am: Quote from: Stavros on July 28, 2014, 09:06:30 pm
OK what primer have you used

Dave

The sealer is Shellac and the primer is normal auto paint from a rattle can....

Yesterday, I rubbed it all down (in the areas of concern) and re-primed it. Now it looks fine.

I think I just put too much on too soon...

They are different paints that I use of my fast composite hulls.... for these I use 2K paints from Specialist Paints....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: CyberBOB on July 29, 2014, 07:14:07 am: As long as the primer wasn't a lacquer base, you should be fine. Lacquer thinners will dissolve shellac.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 29, 2014, 01:13:37 pm: Quote from: CyberBOB on July 29, 2014, 07:14:07 am
As long as the primer wasn't a lacquer base, you should be fine. Lacquer thinners will dissolve shellac.

Ah! Thank you... I didn't know that! The 2K wouldn't be good then!
It's seems fine now so I'm happy! ;)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: CyberBOB on July 29, 2014, 07:09:36 pm: I have read Stavro's paint tip thread, and it is excellent. I used to work in the automotive paint industry (briefly), and I think if you follow his advise, you won't go wrong.

There are times when you can get away from doing things properly, but there is always an inherent risk things will go south, in which case you will have to sand everything off, and start again. But Stavros lays everything out nice and simple, proper procedures, etc., and is what I normally do.

I don't remember him mentioning shellac. Shellac is a very interesting finish. It is, in essence an excretion from a Lac bug dissolved in alcohol. It naturally contains wax, which is what gives it that amber colour. White shellac has had the wax mostly removed.

It is surprisingly water resistant, but doesn't resist heat well. Note I said water resistant and not water proof. The US Navy used to use it to seal teak on there ships before applying a long oil based varnish. The amber hue warms the tones of the wood nicely. I don't use this method on any exterior brightwork, but have used it on furniture before.

It is a good barrier coat, one of the few that can seal a surface contaminated with silicone. However lacquer thinners will disolve the finish, best not used under lacquer. I believe the thinners in 2 part paint will probably dissolve the shellac as well. I am also lead to believe that single part polyurethane finishes don't adhere well either due to the wax found naturally in the shellac.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 29, 2014, 08:46:54 pm: Thank you for the info Bob AND Stavros!
I am however way too deep...

I think that lady luck might be on my side...

Yesterday, I got as far as priming the hull and the superstructure and getting the white base on the later.
This evening, I painted the hull and got some further work done to the top.

I think it's turning out ok???

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I really do appreciate your help and advice but on this occasion, I jumped the gun and maybe got away with it???

What do you think so far???

BTW, I did know about the poo, poo from the little bugs but this time, logic has failed me! %)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: CyberBOB on July 29, 2014, 09:11:07 pm: It looks great. If it has bonded well, it should be fine, like I say you can get away with things sometimes, but not always. Which is why I like Stavros write-up so much. Follow it, and it will work.

The excretion isn't actually poo poo, it is something the female lac bug produces. I don't know enough about bugs to know what its for, just that it is used for shellac.

1 thing I forgot to mention about shellac, and it very well could be common knowledge but will add it just incase, it comes in 2 forms. Pre-mixed in a can, and in flakes you dissolve in ethanol your self. Once mixed (and this includes pre-mixed in cans) it has a shelf life, if memory serves me correct, about 18 months. However, it degrades with time after mixing. If it has expired, it will dry to a goo like consistency, and you will have to clean it off with solvents (either alcohol or lacquer thinners). The flakes last a long time, perhaps indefinitely. If you plan on using shellac frequently, you are better off buying it in flake form. Mixture ratios can be found online. They are measured by weight, ie a 1 pound cut, 2 pound cut, etc. use the purest form of ethanol you can find, as the more water in the ethanol the less waterproof the finish. Sanding isn't necessary between coats for adhesion, as the new coat will chemically bond with the existing coat. Sanding between coats is useful for maintaining a smoother finish though.

Probably more than you wanted to ever know about shellac.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 29, 2014, 09:23:22 pm: Thanks again my Canadian friend!
Yes, that is way more than I ever needed to know! Lol...

After all of this, I will quit using Shellac and get to the "Stavros method"!

I only used it as a guy at work suggested it, he uses it to seal fishing floats...

It really sucks that when you put your heart into building something even as simple as a springer, you end up making a crap job on the paint....

I have a boat in my loft half way through paint as I was too scared to finish it!

Anyway, it's time to eat....

I'll get back to it tomorrow... :-))
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Stavros on July 30, 2014, 06:41:07 pm: You would have been ok to put 2 pack paint over shellac you can even got over enamels with it as long as you DO NOT put the initial coats on to thick........Halfords and other aerosols over enamels ===REACTION
Enamel over Acrylics ====NO problem

Dave
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 30, 2014, 09:22:00 pm: Stavros, I must look up your guide!

Unfortunately, in my rush to complete this little tug, I have completely screwed it up! <:( <:( <:(

I spent hrs masking and so on but I still managed to let the pain creep under the tape! I almost give up!

(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/KillerDave/Boats/DSC_0608.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/KillerDave/media/Boats/DSC_0608.jpg.html)
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/KillerDave/Boats/DSC_0604.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/KillerDave/media/Boats/DSC_0604.jpg.html)

I am not happy at all! :((

I am going to leave it now and take it along on our hol's to the Isle of Wight.

When we get back, I will probably go round it with a brush and clean up all of the edges....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: GAZOU on July 31, 2014, 08:18:44 am: Hello

The adhesive tape TAMYA is expensive but very economic ...........
Your paint was too liquid
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Stavros on July 31, 2014, 08:37:28 am: In my paint article i tell everyone to use fine line tape for cars

Dave
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: warspite on July 31, 2014, 10:09:16 am: just paint more white over these bits and say its rust that's been painted over {-)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Skimmer Fan on July 31, 2014, 10:49:51 am: Stavros
Do you have a link to your paint article
Skimmerfan
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: vnkiwi on July 31, 2014, 11:10:24 am: http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,39337.0.html

here you go
%)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 31, 2014, 01:00:10 pm: Hi guys... Thank you for the input....
Stavros, I did use 3M line tape, It's been fine on my composite hulls but I think I will do as waspite sugested and paint over using my steady hand and a very small brush... I know, I've not done it properly as I have rushed things and not taken so much care....

Not to worry now though, I am going on holiday tomorrow and taking the Springer along... My daughter will be at the helm and I will post up a video soon....

I will also upday on the paint fix and any detail updates she gets....

Thanks again for your help, encouragement and advice.... Happy sailing folks!

P.s. I'm going to absorbe your guide Stavros! Thank you all!
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: radiojoe on July 31, 2014, 07:37:30 pm: Hi Dave
I've very much enjoyed reading this build log, your too self critical mate, you've done a cracking job and build one of best scratch springers I've seen. :-))
I'm of to the Isle of Wight next month, I dare not take a boat with me SWMBO thinks I spend too much time on them as it is. %)

Going shopping or building a boat, now just let me think about that %%
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on July 31, 2014, 09:20:02 pm: Quote from: radiojoe on July 31, 2014, 07:37:30 pm
Hi Dave
I've very much enjoyed reading this build log, your too self critical mate, you've done a cracking job and build one of best scratch springers I've seen. :-))
I'm of to the Isle of Wight next month, I dare not take a boat with me SWMBO thinks I spend too much time on them as it is. %)

Going shopping or building a boat, now just let me think about that %%

Hey Joe!

I am more than happy about the build itself and thank you so much for the comment but there are some awesome builds here!
I am just very peeved about the paint.... it's been off par from the start! {:-{

Believe me, I will definitely learn from this and improve from here on....

So, The trailer is loaded (we're camping) and the models are charged and loaded... Just gotta go to work for the morning and we're off for two weeks! :}

BTW, Shame we're going to miss each other! it would be good to meet another Mayhemer!
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 17, 2014, 10:22:24 pm: Hi Folks!

Well,
that was a well deserved break!, if shorter than I would like!!!

The weather was up and down but as usual (and as it was a family holiday) I didn't spend that much time playing with the springer...

She did, have her maiden voyage though! :}

I had my wife take some pictures on her phone and I will post them up soon...

She is slow but looks great on the water! turns nicely and runs just as I would like..

I did find at least one problem...

It has almost no reverse performance...??? Any thoughts on this???
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 18, 2014, 05:54:13 am: Maybe my lack of reverse power is my prop choice???

What props are people using???

Can I get any suggestions???
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on August 18, 2014, 08:16:12 am: Did you set-up the ESC correctly ? What prop are you using ?
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: radiojoe on August 18, 2014, 05:04:27 pm: It has almost no reverse performance...??? Any thoughts on this???
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Hi Dave, When you say performance are you talking about speed or steerage, if it's the later very few standard rudder boats answer the helm whilst going astern ;D

Joe
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 18, 2014, 06:27:03 pm: Quote from: arrow5 on August 18, 2014, 08:16:12 am
Did you set-up the ESC correctly ? What prop are you using ?

Hi arrow5,

The esc is set just about 50/50. spinning up in fore and aft about the same.
This is the prop I bought....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191014782545?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 18, 2014, 06:29:46 pm: Quote from: radiojoe on August 18, 2014, 05:04:27 pm

It has almost no reverse performance...??? Any thoughts on this???

Hi Dave, When you say performance are you talking about speed or steerage, if it's the later very few standard rudder boats answer the helm whilst going astern ;D

Joe

Hi Joe,

The speed going astern is almost nothing... the rev's are there but it doesn't stop or drive astern well at all...

I will post some more pictures up and maybe a video???
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: morley bill 1 on August 18, 2014, 07:11:19 pm: Looks like the props the problem look at prop shops web site these props do the job better than any others that I have found ..regards Bill...
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 18, 2014, 07:35:00 pm: Quote from: morley bill 1 on August 18, 2014, 07:11:19 pm
Looks like the props the problem look at prop shops web site these props do the job better than any others that I have found ..regards Bill...

Thanks bill, any suggestions???
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: radiojoe on August 18, 2014, 07:35:33 pm: As Bill said sounds like the prop, try a four blade courser pitch, something else to consider is cavitation your prop is quite near the surface so it may be sucking air under the transom when going astern, and when you go forward the bow goes up and the stern goes down making the prop lower in the water, you could try a bit more ballast and raise the water line slightly, just a thought

Joe.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Netleyned on August 18, 2014, 07:43:01 pm: Most Springers bury the bow when
going ahead.
If you have one that burys the stern
please tell us all the secret.

Ned
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: radiojoe on August 18, 2014, 07:49:47 pm: I have no knowledge of springers, it was just a suggestion what could be happening with the prop based on most of the boat sailing characteristics I have had, as I said "it was just a thought"
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Netleyned on August 18, 2014, 07:56:09 pm: Springers are well known for submarine tendencies.
Many have tried to keep the bows up without success.
Thats why your post seemed a bit strange Joe.

Ned
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on August 18, 2014, 08:03:13 pm: Agree the prop is not the best. Try same size in brass, expensive but....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 18, 2014, 08:11:48 pm: Here's a rough video of the run, it was shot from my wifes iPhone....

Let me know what you think...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1iKlHpFWD0&feature=youtu.be

I think it looks ok??? just wont go backwards...

I will look up some decent props... thanks guys...
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: MLT44 on August 18, 2014, 08:51:31 pm: Hi
l built the very pink one. The prop l use is 45 three blade from SHG, lt's one of there brass ones, no probs. Running gear 540/1 motor, on 7/4 lipo, goes like bat out hell f/r,
Hope this helps.
Regards Dave
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 18, 2014, 08:54:59 pm: What motor are you using. I've looked at your film and noticed it seemed down on power. There seemed to be little disturbance behind the boat when moving.

ken
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 18, 2014, 09:27:17 pm: Quote from: Tug---Kenny on August 18, 2014, 08:54:59 pm
What motor are you using. I've looked at your film and noticed it seemed down on power. There seemed to be little disturbance behind the boat when moving.

ken

Not actually sure??? it's a standard silver can 540 I think???

It was in my late fathers parts box already bolted to the gearbox....

Do you think I should bin the gearbox?

I am a little lost on brushed motors.... {:-{
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on August 18, 2014, 10:23:18 pm: Try a direct drive. The video shows very poor Springer performance. 540 motor is good.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 18, 2014, 10:33:13 pm: Quote from: arrow5 on August 18, 2014, 10:23:18 pm
Try a direct drive. The video shows very poor Springer performance. 540 motor is good.

I'll give that a go...
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on August 18, 2014, 10:38:01 pm: Standard 540 can motor, 6 volts, 3 blade brass 40mm prop. No too bad in reverse , about 40% speed.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: radiojoe on August 18, 2014, 11:03:48 pm: Quote from: KillerDave on August 18, 2014, 09:27:17 pm

Not actually sure??? it's a standard silver can 540 I think???

It was in my late fathers parts box already bolted to the gearbox....

Do you think I should bin the gearbox?

I am a little lost on brushed motors.... {:-

Had not realised you used a gearbox, that could well be your problem.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 19, 2014, 06:08:56 am: Quote from: radiojoe on August 18, 2014, 11:03:48 pm

Had not realised you used a gearbox, that could well be your problem.

I used the gearbox as that was on the drawing I used.

I'll fit the motor direct later and see how that goes....

Many thanks guys!

Here's a little under water action....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ7lYK80AJ4&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: radiojoe on August 19, 2014, 09:08:32 am: hi Dave
good video, it would seem the prop is not revving that much, when I put Zulu in the bath at full throttle the bath turns in to a bubbling caldron, she has a 480 motor and 35mm prop direct drive, it depends on what speed you want really, I never run at full throttle I prefer to run at scale speed, but it's good to know I can move out of the way of another boat if necessary . :-))

Joe.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: morley bill 1 on August 19, 2014, 09:17:46 am: Hi Dave try ringing Simon at prop shop tell him what your running motor set up is he should be able to help with this info Regards Bill....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 19, 2014, 01:06:54 pm: Thanks guys.

I am going to remove the gearbox first and see how that pans out....

Then I'll go for a metal prop and so on....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 19, 2014, 01:07:37 pm: Quote from: arrow5 on August 18, 2014, 10:38:01 pm
Standard 540 can motor, 6 volts, 3 blade brass 40mm prop. No too bad in reverse , about 40% speed.

BTW, Great photo!!! :-))
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 20, 2014, 11:04:22 am: Yes indeed A great bit of underwater filming. :-))

(the surf should have damaged the camera) {-)

You're on the way up now.......

Ken
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 20, 2014, 01:02:44 pm: Quote from: Tug---Kenny on August 20, 2014, 11:04:22 am
Yes indeed A great bit of underwater filming. :-))
(the surf should have damaged the camera) {-)
You're on the way up now.......
Ken

On the way up???
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 20, 2014, 07:50:17 pm: Ok,

I pulled out the gearbox and made a small bush for the coupling and it's all back together again.

Here's a little video of it in the test tank (the bath) :}

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO-idQAJuL4&feature=youtu.be

I'll take it to the lake tomorrow and post another video....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 20, 2014, 08:43:31 pm: :-)) :-))

ken
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 20, 2014, 09:40:15 pm: Hey guys,

I threw a mast together... Let me know what you think???

(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/KillerDave/Boats/DSC_0701.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/KillerDave/media/Boats/DSC_0701.jpg.html)

(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/KillerDave/Boats/DSC_0704.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/KillerDave/media/Boats/DSC_0704.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: radiojoe on August 21, 2014, 09:34:37 am: going by the video there seems to be a lot more thrust both directions and no sign of cavitation :-))

Joe.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 21, 2014, 12:56:05 pm: Quote from: radiojoe on August 21, 2014, 09:34:37 am
going by the video there seems to be a lot more thrust both directions and no sign of cavitation :-))

Joe.

Yes Joe, it does look alot more powerfull...

I am taking it to the lake tonight after work just for a short while.....

I'll post another video this evening....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on August 21, 2014, 02:20:16 pm: with video , of course. <*<
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 21, 2014, 03:17:49 pm: I do like videoing stuff! :D
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 21, 2014, 10:25:16 pm: Here you go...

Now then... when you guys say the Springers like to submarine, you're not kidding!

The speed is much better but man! get to full speed and the tail lifts up and the front digs in! on the plus side, the washports work! :-))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9CGwXtq1k&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: radiojoe on August 21, 2014, 11:06:52 pm: Well Dave you got to be pleased with that, good performance, but I can now see what the guys are talking about in the submarine tendencies but then she should push OK which I guess is what they are designed to do, nice one mate :-))
Joe.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on August 22, 2014, 08:33:19 am: Nice going, try moving the batteries back a bit if you can. If not some ballast at the stern to give a slight bow up when at rest. Brass prop for increased reverse performance. Don`t allow the ducks to chase you ...you can get reported for allowing them ;)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 22, 2014, 10:20:44 am: Please correct me if I'm wrong but...

On the plans it showed several options for the propshaft angle, I went for the one that alowed me to fit the gearbox also on the drawing....

This angle would give a downward thrust line coupled with the resistance of the bow wave and lifting the stern and so pushing the bow under!

It was quite alarming though!

I don't think I have much chance to move the batteries back but I will look at it....

Thanks chaps! :-))
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on August 22, 2014, 01:42:59 pm: Ballast can be "working" i.e. brass bollards, tow hook, resin inflatable etc., as far back as possible. Lots of non-diving devices have been tried, underwater wing, bulbous nose (added buoyancy) etc. Prop shaft angle too dodgy to alter at this stage. There has been a trio of submarines that were a result of this tendency to dive. Toesup`s Red Oktober, my HMS Sprub and the Yellow Submarine by ...um ? {:-{ sorry forgot who :((
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Netleyned on August 22, 2014, 04:10:46 pm: Thats a good looking Springer.
People foget that a Springer is a model of a Truckable Towboat

They only do 40Knts on the back of a truck >>:-(

They jus push barges at a slow rate of knots

Ned
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Calimero on August 22, 2014, 05:10:12 pm: I assume that the "inverted wing" profile doesn't help. Might actually generate some downforce ?

I've found a way to get mine to go bow-up at full throttle:
http://youtu.be/YsZXOuTRnmw?t=2m15s

Just tow a 300kg heavy-lift ship. {-)

Here's how mine is trimmed:
(http://rc.noalia.fr/files/sequana/20140531/tn/wheelhouse01.jpg) (http://rc.noalia.fr/files/sequana/20140531/wheelhouse01.jpg)

At full throttle it still tends to dive. There's water coming on the deck but it is still safe to sail that way (although it looks weird).
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 22, 2014, 06:57:47 pm: Quote from: Netleyned on August 22, 2014, 04:10:46 pm
Thats a good looking Springer.
People foget that a Springer is a model of a Truckable Towboat

They only do 40Knts on the back of a truck >>:-(

They jus push barges at a slow rate of knots

Ned

Thanks Ned, it's not completely finished just yet... I'd like to get some more detail and sort the rubbish paint too...
So truck measure their speed in Knots? ok2

I am a huge speed freak and this is by far the slowest thing I've ever built! my current fastest is hitting 100+mph! this Springer could be my backup rescue boat for when my fast one ends up on its back! {-)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 22, 2014, 07:08:19 pm: Quote from: Calimero on August 22, 2014, 05:10:12 pm
I assume that the "inverted wing" profile doesn't help. Might actually generate some downforce ?

I've found a way to get mine to go bow-up at full throttle:
http://youtu.be/YsZXOuTRnmw?t=2m15s (http://youtu.be/YsZXOuTRnmw?t=2m15s)

Just tow a 300kg heavy-lift ship. {-)

Here's how mine is trimmed:
(http://rc.noalia.fr/files/sequana/20140531/tn/wheelhouse01.jpg) (http://rc.noalia.fr/files/sequana/20140531/wheelhouse01.jpg)

At full throttle it still tends to dive. There's water coming on the deck but it is still safe to sail that way (although it looks weird).

I thought that about the shape too and was thinking of building a traditional bow under the waterline???

I also have a bulwark all round and I deliberately pointed the section between the knees forward to help but it still floods the deck, the extra weight of the water drags it in deeper and I've been lucky not to send it down!!!

I've now put some weight right in the back so I'll give it a go and see how it looks....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Calimero on August 22, 2014, 09:27:04 pm: (http://rc.noalia.fr/files/sequana/20140329/tn/recovery_rig01.jpg) (http://rc.noalia.fr/files/sequana/20140329/recovery_rig01.jpg)

Springers are good recovery boats even without such a rig. The flat bow is very convenient.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 26, 2014, 07:54:16 am: Thanks Calimero! I will keep it in mind for when I brave the fast one again...

Well... This weekend, I did shuffle about the ballast and now it's more bow up...

IF the weather is ok this evening, I will pop to the lake for another test....
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 27, 2014, 06:42:52 am: I'm wondering....

What are people doing on their drive angles??? Is my downward thrust line pushing the back up and the bow into the water???

(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/KillerDave/Boats/Springer/DSC_0718.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/KillerDave/media/Boats/Springer/DSC_0718.jpg.html)

Anyway, I moved 320g of weight from the bow and put it as far back as I could plus added another 160g and this is the result...
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 27, 2014, 07:56:36 am: Sorry... Here's the video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJQ6bI14IHA&list=UUqCs6Cebtno5eavEz54HDXQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJQ6bI14IHA&list=UUqCs6Cebtno5eavEz54HDXQ)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on August 27, 2014, 11:33:48 am: Looks like you still need some more weight aft. The prop shaft angle is a contributing factor built it really is the hull shape that causes the dive. A skid/prop saver coming out of the skeg could be brass or heavy gauge piano-wire , the rudder could be heavy body filler round a brass centre for more weight. For better turning add a T or triangle vertical strip down the trailing edge of the rudder, looks technical even if it doesn't need it ! Video doesn't need music , unless you have a noisy U/J %)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 27, 2014, 01:00:14 pm: Thanks for your comments arrow5, I take them on board and will add more weight....

On a slight tangent, and I know this might upset things but...

Has anyone tried fitting a traditional bow under the springer?
I have a feeling about it....???

As far as the rudder goes, I like how it turns now.... it just has little astern performance...
I will get a better prop for it soon, I just want to address the diving...
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on August 27, 2014, 01:25:29 pm: Yes someone did de-springer a springer by putting a sharp front on it...er pointless exercise if you ask me , it wont be a springer. Remember what they are .. truckable pushboats. The variations of the topsides have spawned all type as you know but most people hesitate at going the pointy end bit. Just build a simple conventional shaped tug which a lot of people do having been introduced to model boating by the simplicity of the blunt bow. They weren't designed for efficiency :(( BTW I was the idiot that tried the bulbous bow on springer, designated by some as "Arrow`s Knob" {-) . Toesup had front foils under the bow, worse than the bulb O0 Your raised bulwark is a better idea, I`ve got a couple with a strip of 90* angle sticking out front.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 27, 2014, 06:38:36 pm: I wasn't thinking of a "pointy" bow, Just the part under the water... the part that pushes against the water..

I've been playing with boats for 25 years or more but I built a Springer because it looked fun, plus my daughter wanted a boat and this is a great start for her.

I think I saw your design. I say! {-)

I was also thinking of putting a clear screen on top of my forward bulwark???

BTW, I actually built that section leaning forward to stop the bow wave.... not quite enough though.... %)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on August 27, 2014, 07:40:23 pm: The "part under the water" i.e. most of the hull ? {-) The answer is weight distribution. Waterline at rest should be an inch lower at stern. The V under the bow would be an interesting study, try a block of blue (or pink) foam and video the result.
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 27, 2014, 08:03:28 pm: Quote from: arrow5 on August 27, 2014, 07:40:23 pm
The "part under the water" i.e. most of the hull ? {-) The answer is weight distribution. Waterline at rest should be an inch lower at stern. The V under the bow would be an interesting study, try a block of blue (or pink) foam and video the result.

I will move my batteries and go from there.

My thought about the "V" bow was to see if it pushed the water sideways instead of forward and up....
I think I'll try a simple mock-up....???

Hang on.... Are you setting me up??? Lol... ok2
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: Arrow5 on August 27, 2014, 08:44:19 pm: Dave`s wedgie ??? %) ;D
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: KillerDave on August 27, 2014, 08:54:38 pm: Quote from: arrow5 on August 27, 2014, 08:44:19 pm
Dave`s wedgie ??? %) ;D

Ha! That did make me laugh! {-)
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: dave parker on August 03, 2016, 08:10:53 pm: Hi KillerDave

A springer newbie here

Apologies for bringing upan old thread,i just wonderedif you could spare a little time to tell me your routine and technique for cutting your wood,in particular plywood for hull and the major parts? :-)

Cheers
Title: Re: Yet another new build Springer!
Post by: dave parker on August 03, 2016, 08:12:32 pm: Just realised Dave hasnt been on here since 2014

Can anyone else giveme their techniques i mentioned??

:-))