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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Pleasure boats, Sports, Race, Power and Leisure Boats: => Topic started by: TomHugill on June 28, 2014, 07:27:14 PM

Title: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on June 28, 2014, 07:27:14 PM
Since I saw videos of these hugely impractical and ruinously expensive things on eBay I (foolishly) thought "that's the boat for me!". After much hunting about on eBay.de I found one with a seller willing to post.

Here's where I am so far; the mechanicals are all done, jet drives fitted, motors on, esc's connected. She's running a pump to water cool the esc's (which will probably be switchable). There's also a bow thruster. Using two robbe navy 70a brushed esc; one for the steering jets and one for the booster. The bow thruster is running off a 30a robbe esc and the pump with be off a 20a mtroniks jobbie I found in the bits box.

I'll be running her off 3x 8ah 4s lipos to hopefully give a reasonable top speed and decent run times. Depending on how this goes i might go for a brushless setup to give a bit more oomph.

She will be getting full lights and probably an action electronics noisy thing for sound.

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Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on October 13, 2014, 10:59:41 PM
I seem to have neglected the build thread on here as for a while not very much had been done. I wanted to get plenty of run time with her to iron out any bugs before I started on the detail work.
 
Had some issues with debris getting into the jets, first time the motor burnt out, the second two times the couplers broke. Ill probably be adding some mesh screens to try and stop this in future.
 
Other things that have come to light are that the steering servo was far to weak, as where those on the reversing buckets. Ive replaced the steering servo which has solved the problem, but I still need to replace the reversing ones.
 
I fitted 3 speed 700 neodyms recently to up the performance, but whilst the boat shifts Im going to be switching to a brushless setup to get higher efficiency and therefore longer run times. 
 
Also to facilitate use of this model I've bought a Robbe F-14 navy with decoder switches etc and a horn sound module. 
 
So I've pretty much finished all the building bits, I've added lighting, including added lights for the rear bit. Planned I need to hook up a couple of 360 servos to the radars (which currently rotate but arent powered). I need to add LEDS for the top sun deck, in the launch alcove and I'm thinking some underwater lights too!
 
This boat has been tortureous at times, theres been an aweful lot of sanding, cutting and fileing! However I think the results have been worth it! The railings where particularly theraputic, despite snapping two drill bits! The spiral stairs also worked out quite nicely!
 
Any way some pictures of the progress so far:
 
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/F672D310-8219-4CA7-A088-A5B7BFB2B3DA_zpsqyj1ogbc.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/F672D310-8219-4CA7-A088-A5B7BFB2B3DA_zpsqyj1ogbc.jpg.html)
 
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Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on November 15, 2014, 12:20:43 PM
I've decided to convert my moonraker to brushless, mainly for longer run times (but the extra speed will be nice). To necessitate this I've had to beef up the couplings and buy some adapter mounts so the 700 bolt spacing can be adapted to the 25mm spacing on 540 brushless cans.

After looking on hobby king I've decided to go for the Dr mad thrust 3674 1600kv motors. These have a similar KV to the speed 700 neodyms I'm replacing and where fairly cheap (but looked to have better performance than the turnigy xk series). 

To controls these I've gone for the hobby king 90a esc. I've used these in a few of my other boats and they seem solid.

The couplings I bought from Steve tranter at model boat bits. After a chat with Steve explaining what I was trying to achieve ended up with Steve using 4mm grub screws to cope with the higher power.

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I've also added a tray for the 3 8ah 4s lipos that power the boat

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I'm trying to keep the internals tidy but  there's quite a lot to pack in!

Other updates include connecting all the lighting. I'm using a robbe f14 so I can individually switch the different lights. Currently I have the top cabin l, bottom cabin, navigation, masthead and rear deck lights all on different circuits.

I've added spinning radar using 360 degree modded servos (although in hindsight I would have used geared motors as they're easier to run off my f14).

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/662E1474-ED97-4288-B8BA-89832A665508_zpsr2ax2rf9.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/662E1474-ED97-4288-B8BA-89832A665508_zpsr2ax2rf9.jpg.html)

The next task will be painting, I'm also considering how best to do the railings. I'm currently leaning towards alcad.
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: Paul R on November 15, 2014, 04:57:56 PM
Hi Tom,

Your Moonraker looks good, if you have a look at KWPMBC website and go to gallery, you'll see some pics of mine completed a few years ago. A word of advice regarding your mtr upgrades. The jet drives will only handle so many revs so be carefull when you test with the brushless setup complete. Its the turbine blades in the drives that are prone to shearing off, if they do, you're looking at new jet drives once you've dug the old ones out, (very time consuming).

Upgrading the motors in this kit is common though as the 700BB turbos don't give exactly sparkling performance on the water, so its tempting to upgrade.

However, any modeller who completes a Moonraker build is to be congratulated as its really one big paint job from start to finish with a lot of filling & sanding in between!

Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on November 15, 2014, 05:55:24 PM
Here's a couples of the function tests I did.

http://youtu.be/nvSPuRW6A5k

http://youtu.be/dO92Dc-4DZM

Paul, your moonraker has been a source of inspiration, the paint job looks awesome!

Regarding the motors I tried to match the KV fairly closely. I feel slightly embaraced to say that I might have been misguided in changing the motors, I was finding if I gave it the full beans the low voltage alarms where going off. I assumed as the speed 700 neodyms are quite current hungry it was that. However I've since found there's an issue with my alarms :S

However the deed is done and hopefully if nothing else run times will be improved!

I'm still struggling to figure out how I'll paint it, I don't really have the space at home so I might have to get a friendly car sprayer to do it!

Oh the sanding! So much don't and so much left to do! Go a few bits that need smoothing out. It's been very rewarding so far however!
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: Paul R on November 16, 2014, 05:28:18 PM
Hi Tom,

You've really committed to this Moonraker of yours, I can tell by the amount of work you have put in on the lighting and radars etc. The only downside of a comprehensive lighting system is the amount of wiring you have to go with it, its unavoidable I know.

I painted my Moonraker during the summer months out on the patio and in the garage. I built a temporary spray booth, with a cheap hob extractor above it ducted outside (from B&Q) in the garage to extract the paint fumes and excess spray. As Moonraker is so long I had to build a spray booth, I didn't know how else I was going to paint it.

I used Halfords car aerosols and lost count of how many cans I had to purchase & the cost, so taking it to a vehicle paint shop as you suggest makes sense to me, probably cheaper too. I'd be interested to know if you do actually get longer run times with the brushless set-up as my feeling is that you might not. We know there efficient, but there also current thirsty so i'll be intrigued to find out...

     

Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on November 24, 2014, 12:37:15 PM
Had a chance to go play boats on Saturday so took the najade, moonraker and the new Riva to the pond.

I think I've learnt the lessons of my last jet drive brushless conversion! The moonraker ran almost without a hitch (the horn on one of the reversing bucket servos came off) and one of the esc reset mid pond. However aside from this she ran brilliantly. The speed is incredible. I didn't have her much past half throttle most of the time (but theories and esc stayed stone cold).

I need to have a play with her trim because there was some porpoising, although the pond did get choppy which didn't help. 

Regarding battery life I ran her about 30 minutes and voltage had only dropped to 15.5v so I'll see how much was actually used when I charge the packs up again.

Also the lights radars and reversing buckets all worked perfectly off the f14.

For now here's a couple of vids.

http://youtu.be/R0pSL4gKeBI

http://youtu.be/ArquWSeG3P0
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: sailorboy61 on November 24, 2014, 12:40:52 PM
Looks good but a bit over speed me thinks there Tom, at least she didn't take off!
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on November 24, 2014, 12:53:49 PM
I like to run my boats scale speed but as the pond was empty I thought I'd give her the beans!

Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: Stan on November 24, 2014, 02:15:58 PM
Looks good Tom I have sent you a pm re sound units.

Stan
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on April 05, 2015, 11:57:42 PM
Finally pulling my finger out with the moonraker, two coats of primer rubbed down to get a nice smooth surface. This evening I started on the gloss white, two coats so far.


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Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on April 11, 2015, 08:17:15 PM

The trimming was done in BMW gloss jet black. Masking was fun and took time, however it was worth it in the end.


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/5ABBAC84-F2C8-4AA9-AD7E-E699E2AB8322_zpsqj8n9hbj.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/5ABBAC84-F2C8-4AA9-AD7E-E699E2AB8322_zpsqj8n9hbj.jpg.html)


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(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/FE54362E-CC2D-43B8-AE6C-224DD7D7CB18_zps8df25usi.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/FE54362E-CC2D-43B8-AE6C-224DD7D7CB18_zps8df25usi.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/9FD41110-A01C-4DC7-9BF3-DEBEF352E9F6_zpshwjg0won.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/9FD41110-A01C-4DC7-9BF3-DEBEF352E9F6_zpshwjg0won.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/865C2D7E-75E7-42EF-BECC-2B451E33CBD5_zps5cxkpnbp.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/865C2D7E-75E7-42EF-BECC-2B451E33CBD5_zps5cxkpnbp.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/2728416D-C69D-4ED6-BB21-029025B975FC_zps1gfehu6i.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/2728416D-C69D-4ED6-BB21-029025B975FC_zps1gfehu6i.jpg.html)


I've also started on the under water lighting, 14 green 5mm LEDs.


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/3C465782-3CCF-4096-A3C5-9674AE01C3F8_zpsbbzpfsxa.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/3C465782-3CCF-4096-A3C5-9674AE01C3F8_zpsbbzpfsxa.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on April 11, 2015, 08:19:44 PM
A question for the paint gurus, I need some tips to stop the Orange peel effect when laquering. I've done some tests on the White sprayed onto styrene but keeps coming out the same.
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on April 20, 2015, 11:52:59 AM
Well next up came the stage I was dreading, the laquer. I've never  <*<been one for clear coating after some bad experiences. However this boat really requires it to get that high gloss wet look.

So sticking with the halfords paint system applied the laquer to the bottom to test:

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/B761430B-7809-4ADB-8F8D-5FA624C772DD_zpssmp2fwbu.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/B761430B-7809-4ADB-8F8D-5FA624C772DD_zpssmp2fwbu.jpg.html)

So far so good, proceeded to the sides. Disaster! I was slightly liberal with that application and it ran....no problem I thought can always cut it back with some wet and dry.

Upon closer inspection I noticed the the laquer had attacked the paint and ruined the pinstripes I'd carefully masked off earlier  >>:-(  <:(

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/6F389BDC-2998-44E4-8926-F85DC68A1F5C_zps8b2nbwz8.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/6F389BDC-2998-44E4-8926-F85DC68A1F5C_zps8b2nbwz8.jpg.html)

Let this be a lesson kids, don't go crazy with the laquer!

So back to the drawing board:

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/F1AFD59C-3800-4997-9A20-6C3F4A751117_zps5jjopr5c.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/F1AFD59C-3800-4997-9A20-6C3F4A751117_zps5jjopr5c.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/AC4EA3BB-B1F8-4007-9CF7-80400C45F525_zpsq01l8had.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/AC4EA3BB-B1F8-4007-9CF7-80400C45F525_zpsq01l8had.jpg.html)

And back to where I started:

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/A79647E4-E6EE-42DF-B0B6-94B83C1237EC_zpsr8npdwu2.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/A79647E4-E6EE-42DF-B0B6-94B83C1237EC_zpsr8npdwu2.jpg.html)

Take two:

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/BC5F230C-9CE8-4EC2-8958-92181D529B36_zpsyhw0dcdp.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/BC5F230C-9CE8-4EC2-8958-92181D529B36_zpsyhw0dcdp.jpg.html)

I'll call that a win! There's a slight distortion which I've yet to decide if I can live with, but it's only small

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/76715B99-6160-416C-AC5F-C6F1639D79A0_zpsghaseq0q.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/76715B99-6160-416C-AC5F-C6F1639D79A0_zpsghaseq0q.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: Atlantic Mouldings on April 20, 2015, 10:23:23 PM
Looking Good , I too have always had issues with laquer but think you've cracked it.  :-))
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on April 21, 2015, 10:10:56 AM
Finished off the rest of the hull last night, added the vinyls as well!


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/8DF04AD9-6588-41FA-BA94-A1F51D8B2839_zpsu1c5gwxt.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/8DF04AD9-6588-41FA-BA94-A1F51D8B2839_zpsu1c5gwxt.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/5C3D84EA-796B-4AF3-B0D6-A3168358C245_zps95p4cl7f.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/5C3D84EA-796B-4AF3-B0D6-A3168358C245_zps95p4cl7f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on April 22, 2015, 11:55:15 AM
Half the underwater LEDs done!

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/12D19FBD-C014-4940-A625-6EA16761EA18_zps3aku4zd8.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/12D19FBD-C014-4940-A625-6EA16761EA18_zps3aku4zd8.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/F69B87FB-548E-4E64-A7E8-9D3C3B2DACB2_zps1z4vc3xk.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/F69B87FB-548E-4E64-A7E8-9D3C3B2DACB2_zps1z4vc3xk.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/E1FF0C46-4FB9-430D-A9E0-8DA2FA6C0ECF_zpsivavrb52.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/E1FF0C46-4FB9-430D-A9E0-8DA2FA6C0ECF_zpsivavrb52.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/659E6767-44FE-49C5-AC28-CE44823C6CE2_zps3jr21rpe.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/659E6767-44FE-49C5-AC28-CE44823C6CE2_zps3jr21rpe.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/55E20F00-F57B-42C9-86A1-08BA90FB7AD3_zps0srnlmbf.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/55E20F00-F57B-42C9-86A1-08BA90FB7AD3_zps0srnlmbf.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/8F05D508-0EF7-4526-B571-E12F2A784C4F_zpsf66sdrkq.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/8F05D508-0EF7-4526-B571-E12F2A784C4F_zpsf66sdrkq.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/C1A748CF-C096-44F2-BF7B-A18EFF0740B0_zpszlmqq47x.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/C1A748CF-C096-44F2-BF7B-A18EFF0740B0_zpszlmqq47x.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: derekwarner on April 22, 2015, 10:56:25 PM
Hi Tom......underwater LED %) ..........is the actual lens bulb of each individual LED cemented/glued directly to the hull?...or is there a protective strip/shield?....in either case...

1. what type of cement/glue is used?
2. how is one LED removed & replaced....if it fused or blew?

If the vessel was in OZ....I could see a few MBM members with hand nets with long handles catching a few prawns for the BBQ O0..........Derek
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on April 23, 2015, 12:03:33 AM
Managed to finish the LEDs tonight!


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/7CB70E1E-6D24-4FD8-BBA7-A568148F1DC4_zpsdtavocem.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/7CB70E1E-6D24-4FD8-BBA7-A568148F1DC4_zpsdtavocem.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/08694766-E2D7-4E7F-8A6C-6E6D929C348F_zpsh8h1ossr.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/08694766-E2D7-4E7F-8A6C-6E6D929C348F_zpsh8h1ossr.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/563D39B0-CE52-42ED-A08A-62666ED443BF_zpsmzilxtkc.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/563D39B0-CE52-42ED-A08A-62666ED443BF_zpsmzilxtkc.jpg.html)


Derek, they're a very tight interference fit to the hull with a little ca to seal them. The end of the bulb fits flush with the hull sides.


If replacement is requireds I would just knock the offending lamp out and replace.
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on April 27, 2015, 02:29:46 PM
The next stage of the hull was to get the railings sorted, I had been dreading this part as they aren't the most robust things (even soldered together) and they're big long pieces so getting them back in without damaging them of the paint will be a challenge.


Learning from my previous attempt on the najade where I had gone straight to the gloss black undercoat prior to use of the alclad chrome, this time I primed the railings with one part etch primer. Then I added the gloss black, alclad chrome and finally a layer of Aqua gloss varnish.


I procured a piece of balsa which I could press the railings into  which proved invaluable for getting at all sides.


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/F6574783-4906-4326-84C3-31780D2AD019_zps0fo2cvw8.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/F6574783-4906-4326-84C3-31780D2AD019_zps0fo2cvw8.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/1E6D5008-41DD-43F6-8DCE-820B6349375F_zpsbjlm21vw.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/1E6D5008-41DD-43F6-8DCE-820B6349375F_zpsbjlm21vw.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/70E5D702-AB99-42A3-BC7C-F6E78B933FB2_zpsa2zynz6s.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/70E5D702-AB99-42A3-BC7C-F6E78B933FB2_zpsa2zynz6s.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/D86A4563-1C4B-4811-B692-7A9BE7009958_zpspqvxkfvu.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/D86A4563-1C4B-4811-B692-7A9BE7009958_zpspqvxkfvu.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/EFD64BC1-C2CE-4DA5-91F9-76D9E949559B_zpslzl4ygkb.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/EFD64BC1-C2CE-4DA5-91F9-76D9E949559B_zpslzl4ygkb.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/5E629BC2-0853-4095-8E6F-722ED6F993B5_zpsz01qmyaw.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/5E629BC2-0853-4095-8E6F-722ED6F993B5_zpsz01qmyaw.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/CE6504AA-7060-4D12-B79F-1F0BC238E846_zpshl3t1a8p.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/CE6504AA-7060-4D12-B79F-1F0BC238E846_zpshl3t1a8p.jpg.html)


That's the lower hull pretty much done, all that's left is painting the buckets and jet nozzles and some deck fittings.


Next up is the superstructure, made a start on the primer:


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/FF56F18A-1303-42F3-85D0-0B501B4FB986_zpsasnsmpyu.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/FF56F18A-1303-42F3-85D0-0B501B4FB986_zpsasnsmpyu.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/93A05371-F477-444C-A409-71E9DFB1AD69_zpsmctekqhm.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/93A05371-F477-444C-A409-71E9DFB1AD69_zpsmctekqhm.jpg.html)


I've also got to fit the sound system, I have two speakers (one for each benedini card) which I'll be placing at deck level towards the front of the boat. Watch this space!
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: sailorboy61 on April 27, 2015, 02:59:56 PM
Love the rails Tom.
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: rocket ron on April 28, 2015, 06:44:59 PM
Well done TOM
What a fantastic build,your level of finish has to be praised.
My Moonraker has rails which comprise of etched brass uprights and plastic rails,a combination
that definittely does not work.When I can reach my Moonraker(I can see it but cannot get to it) then
if you do not mind I will press you for more details on how you made yours.
Again well done


RON
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on April 28, 2015, 11:33:48 PM
No worries ron! My rails where built as per the plan from 1.5m brass rod soldered together
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on May 04, 2015, 10:26:09 AM
Well some more done, I've built an enclosure for the speakers which sits towards the front of the hull opening. Hopefully this will have the effect of moving the COG forward slightly and stop her going quite so nose up with getting on the plane.

I've also started painting the superstructure. Same as the lower hull, white and the. Masked off for the black bits. Got a bit trigger happy with the fist gloss white coast so had to take it back almost to the primer in places and then recoat.

Also before gloss application there was a lot of imperfections left over from construction so liberal coats of Mr surfacer was added to the offending areas and the. Sanded back for a more smooth surface!

Speaker box
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/8ACBB091-5A7C-4B5A-9092-935E654E1C4F_zpshqlmjhx4.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/8ACBB091-5A7C-4B5A-9092-935E654E1C4F_zpshqlmjhx4.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/40232622-8A69-483B-AF6E-862E0E353ABA_zpsrm4owdca.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/40232622-8A69-483B-AF6E-862E0E353ABA_zpsrm4owdca.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/99AD97DA-C644-4C4B-AC82-C8C54647C89A_zps5sgxlny0.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/99AD97DA-C644-4C4B-AC82-C8C54647C89A_zps5sgxlny0.jpg.html)

Primer and Mr surfacer:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/903BBF3C-00A9-4625-8FB8-9D494184C58A_zpsjkj9fbgc.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/903BBF3C-00A9-4625-8FB8-9D494184C58A_zpsjkj9fbgc.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/53EF82B8-1756-45DA-A507-ABDB699BCF42_zps4b6qcmtt.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/53EF82B8-1756-45DA-A507-ABDB699BCF42_zps4b6qcmtt.jpg.html)

Gloss coats:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/D4B8006B-8327-4880-8E33-001BB513A621_zpsp0grgu17.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/D4B8006B-8327-4880-8E33-001BB513A621_zpsp0grgu17.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/07F84451-E04B-4B8F-934E-B029238C8FDD_zpswk2hrj4y.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/07F84451-E04B-4B8F-934E-B029238C8FDD_zpswk2hrj4y.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on May 05, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
I've been busy painting the superstructure. Masking it off took a good couple of hours but has been worth it. There's a load of fittings and buts left to go but finally she's looking like a proper yacht.

Masking:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/0369C1F5-7F85-479F-89A3-9055547F5D77_zps5brrliqt.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/0369C1F5-7F85-479F-89A3-9055547F5D77_zps5brrliqt.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/DBC3E8B4-0125-42DE-9FDB-BB6C0BDA1021_zpsjdjus2zc.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/DBC3E8B4-0125-42DE-9FDB-BB6C0BDA1021_zpsjdjus2zc.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/3BB7D1FB-0734-4277-97A2-67EE060DDB51_zpsfdmxyl93.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/3BB7D1FB-0734-4277-97A2-67EE060DDB51_zpsfdmxyl93.jpg.html)

Paint going on
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/76A330FA-68AE-40CD-B95F-DC8A0BFF9363_zpsxzo3gimq.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/76A330FA-68AE-40CD-B95F-DC8A0BFF9363_zpsxzo3gimq.jpg.html)

Superstructure:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/E2CDB03D-6B0E-4803-A5D7-C74C64589EC0_zpsk9riei1i.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/E2CDB03D-6B0E-4803-A5D7-C74C64589EC0_zpsk9riei1i.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/834125A3-37B3-4779-B813-7940B3E723E6_zpsyodt32km.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/834125A3-37B3-4779-B813-7940B3E723E6_zpsyodt32km.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/7756E578-0D91-4011-B189-6EB13D9DD161_zpsit8fro08.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/7756E578-0D91-4011-B189-6EB13D9DD161_zpsit8fro08.jpg.html)

Mated to the hull:

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/0B602802-3C46-4535-9405-A745A8D380AE_zpsuwdodsn8.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/0B602802-3C46-4535-9405-A745A8D380AE_zpsuwdodsn8.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/36A80041-9D04-44F5-8ED8-2BF36EE58CAA_zpsljbb97qx.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/36A80041-9D04-44F5-8ED8-2BF36EE58CAA_zpsljbb97qx.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/1BD6519D-214A-46A7-A149-B72BD763AC90_zpsvjuaw4tc.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/1BD6519D-214A-46A7-A149-B72BD763AC90_zpsvjuaw4tc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TugCowboy on May 05, 2015, 09:35:26 PM
looking fantastic Tom.
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: Atlantic Mouldings on May 05, 2015, 10:17:36 PM
Really looking good, great work :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: Tomrhorsfield on May 06, 2015, 10:05:05 PM
Having searched for years to find a kit, I purchased a second hand one on ebay that needs some TLC. Your build is an inspiration and have set my minimum standards of achievement. Will be back for more details once I have received my build instructions and plans auf Deutsch from the very helpful folk at Graupner. having purchased it, There's now a kit on ebay with 1 day to go for 400 if anyone is looking to obtain one! Item I'd is 181731816072 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/tel:181731816072) - I may still but it feels a very greedy thing to do.


Love the lighting, must have working radar and sound and a posh interior for the lighting to show off. All I need now is time.....


Looking forward to your sea trials! :-))
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on May 06, 2015, 11:00:15 PM
I've had to muddle through without English instructions, the seller kindly only sent the German ones! But between the pictures provided and the plans I think I've muddled through! I was toying with building a proper interior, but aside from adding a fair bit of weight I wasn't convinced you would really see it behind the tinted glazing. Did you get yours off German eBay? Would love to see how you get on with it. From experience I think building a fresh kit is easier than a refurb (depending how much TLC yours needs!).

Really look forward to seeing how you get on with it!
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on May 11, 2015, 05:18:03 PM
Some more progress, been working on asking off the seats and tables. Was time consuming but I think it was worth it.


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/E3FD803F-27A4-4FDE-9458-147C7B20B09B_zpsri0ngedh.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/E3FD803F-27A4-4FDE-9458-147C7B20B09B_zpsri0ngedh.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/6C0931BF-68B7-40A5-BAF0-3D92E369A615_zpsyyb5zsl4.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/6C0931BF-68B7-40A5-BAF0-3D92E369A615_zpsyyb5zsl4.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/647A5D7A-0541-4874-AA6D-7A4517BFA245_zpsbfz56izs.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/647A5D7A-0541-4874-AA6D-7A4517BFA245_zpsbfz56izs.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/2A0FF551-FE63-4CC1-A01F-A5BA10CFE5D2_zps8fyxmz1m.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/2A0FF551-FE63-4CC1-A01F-A5BA10CFE5D2_zps8fyxmz1m.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/905B0159-9339-4BD4-A07A-A759D1A74004_zpswxzzmb3v.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/905B0159-9339-4BD4-A07A-A759D1A74004_zpswxzzmb3v.jpg.html)


Some pictures with the lighting in place:


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/F7A89322-A67D-43F8-9793-FBB3F994A0CA_zpsnr4z2asp.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/F7A89322-A67D-43F8-9793-FBB3F994A0CA_zpsnr4z2asp.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/53A96D23-1844-4F1A-A426-FD9FAF989907_zps7yhzjspr.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/53A96D23-1844-4F1A-A426-FD9FAF989907_zps7yhzjspr.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/2B5B6363-7E23-40D1-A401-DA8BB5935DFB_zpsmf60ojib.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/2B5B6363-7E23-40D1-A401-DA8BB5935DFB_zpsmf60ojib.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/54EA986F-8DB0-4DBA-8D0E-46B74865B6A6_zpsw5ratlrq.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/54EA986F-8DB0-4DBA-8D0E-46B74865B6A6_zpsw5ratlrq.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on May 11, 2015, 10:39:22 PM
2 words
Want one!
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: Tomrhorsfield on May 15, 2015, 11:12:18 PM
Looking really good Tom. Yes I did find my ship on ebay.de. I managed to find one spare jet drive and reversing bucket as the one I have was missing a couple of bits. They could be made from brass or plastic card. The prop shafts and motors don't align - there are kinks in the universal joints that mate the two so it looks as though the motor mounts will need to be re-fitted. I'm now considering whether to replace the graupner jet drives with a more robust type. I've received the build plans from Graupner so have a better idea of what's under the skin, filler and 4 layers of tar that has spoilt the ship a bit. The scale of the rebuild is growing. I will try and find the time to upload some "before" pictures that indicates the starting point prior to some intricate disassembly and refitting of key parts. A few micro bot sites have possible solutions to the working radar scanner conundrum - oh yes and there's the radio control to fund and fit.

Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: Atlantic Mouldings on May 16, 2015, 08:41:01 PM
Had one of these five years ago but sold it, never even opened the box  , wish I hadn't, really looks great.
well done.  O0 :-))
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on May 18, 2015, 11:14:15 AM
She's pretty much completed, just needs some crew and a few accessories. Thought I'd pump up the paddling pool and see how she looks at night!


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/07514002-877E-48AC-B5FF-7E9A445A3A7C_zpsvy9w8fl7.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/07514002-877E-48AC-B5FF-7E9A445A3A7C_zpsvy9w8fl7.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/F2CE17BE-1409-43F5-897F-82ACD5B305D5_zpsgtmfk5rm.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/F2CE17BE-1409-43F5-897F-82ACD5B305D5_zpsgtmfk5rm.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/22B8D6EC-F937-4708-A64D-5CE71E46BE5D_zpseg3wi7mg.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/22B8D6EC-F937-4708-A64D-5CE71E46BE5D_zpseg3wi7mg.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/3449908C-FDD7-419B-ADEE-E74FE335EB25_zpszz2fyyxu.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/3449908C-FDD7-419B-ADEE-E74FE335EB25_zpszz2fyyxu.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/7DACC556-FFBC-4FFA-891A-D59BE5CDF568_zpsob2vdn2t.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/7DACC556-FFBC-4FFA-891A-D59BE5CDF568_zpsob2vdn2t.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/F53191E0-EEBD-4FAD-B0A5-9B0F9AF2B3DB_zpskukjjw27.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/F53191E0-EEBD-4FAD-B0A5-9B0F9AF2B3DB_zpskukjjw27.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 18, 2015, 12:24:04 PM
 
Nice!   O0
Title: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: TomHugill on May 21, 2015, 11:33:33 PM

Well finally got a chance to play properly! Up bury this evening, didn't quite get dark enough for the lighting to really show but you get the idea.


https://youtu.be/jaDi4lKqY1g


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/1F6DFBB4-116A-49F3-9334-B9195E102091_zpsmmgkiwls.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/1F6DFBB4-116A-49F3-9334-B9195E102091_zpsmmgkiwls.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/DF1C2452-EE86-49A0-B5BB-F004E8BB4CDC_zpso1l7dsvp.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/DF1C2452-EE86-49A0-B5BB-F004E8BB4CDC_zpso1l7dsvp.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/CDB291F7-D5C6-4CCB-8998-FF3D4D128A2E_zpsnayjbiyv.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/CDB291F7-D5C6-4CCB-8998-FF3D4D128A2E_zpsnayjbiyv.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/2EE16923-7D25-4781-A1B9-5D59E19E2E86_zpsdu9vefkn.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/2EE16923-7D25-4781-A1B9-5D59E19E2E86_zpsdu9vefkn.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/A019A2F3-4F74-41E5-A1DC-D8409AE62C8C_zpsx8umaae2.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/A019A2F3-4F74-41E5-A1DC-D8409AE62C8C_zpsx8umaae2.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/3660564A-4074-4A43-A864-13E8D566E3D2_zps5fs2maxi.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/3660564A-4074-4A43-A864-13E8D566E3D2_zps5fs2maxi.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/79520E53-36BC-4E80-B252-3A73202D32DD_zpstfjurzl6.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/79520E53-36BC-4E80-B252-3A73202D32DD_zpstfjurzl6.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/9849F702-D4F7-4ED5-8C7A-DF703F6CEF2F_zps0jlhdivy.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/9849F702-D4F7-4ED5-8C7A-DF703F6CEF2F_zps0jlhdivy.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/FD94073A-4718-4286-8734-86CDEEACBDC5_zps2hhqjirn.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/FD94073A-4718-4286-8734-86CDEEACBDC5_zps2hhqjirn.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/F6CD63D0-5578-4D66-8D4D-0D7B02354BF8_zpsqomi74nc.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/F6CD63D0-5578-4D66-8D4D-0D7B02354BF8_zpsqomi74nc.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/1630FBDA-C6ED-4066-85AC-23620B55B40F_zpsp59ng7ew.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/1630FBDA-C6ED-4066-85AC-23620B55B40F_zpsp59ng7ew.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/76B2FCD8-6A70-443C-B1E5-34BF6C0DA05E_zpsr08yamaj.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/76B2FCD8-6A70-443C-B1E5-34BF6C0DA05E_zpsr08yamaj.jpg.html)


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/team_shrewsbury/Moonraker/9F5C8805-491F-480B-AC9F-F144679D23A2_zpswtxpl586.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/team_shrewsbury/media/Moonraker/9F5C8805-491F-480B-AC9F-F144679D23A2_zpswtxpl586.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: derekwarner on May 21, 2015, 11:45:05 PM
Tom......the sound effects on startup & running are great :-)) .......twin turbocharged marine V8's?..........vessel is also deceptively larger than I had imagined.....

What type of sound card & system are you using?.......& what is her displacement?............well done O0......Derek
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: TomHugill on May 22, 2015, 12:12:26 AM
Hey Derek, she's running a benedini TBS mini through a 40w 2ch amp and two 4inch speakers. The engine sounds were as close to the quoted ones in the real thing, v16 MTU 43 litre diesels, the closest I could find were from a German diesel locomotive. I've also got another TBS mini with a gas turbine sound, however I'm having issues with the benedini running two Esc so I can't use the gas turbine one yet.


She probably weighs about 10kg with 3/4kg being batteries!
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: derekwarner on May 22, 2015, 12:30:38 AM
Thanks Tom......my comment of V8's was just a guess  :embarrassed:...but the turbo sound is very life like and is as you have downloaded the real thing

I had not heard of Benedini TBS mini ....but according to Google they do not require an armoured van or bank loan to purchase one  ;D .... Derek
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: TugCowboy on May 22, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
Tom she looks great out on the water and that sound is brilliant - perhaps a little loud though? may just be the way the recording picked up the sound.

I bet you are very proud of her.
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 22, 2015, 08:49:53 AM
 
Fine job sir!   O0
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: TomHugill on May 22, 2015, 09:47:15 AM

Fine job sir!   O0
Tom she looks great out on the water and that sound is brilliant - perhaps a little loud though? may just be the way the recording picked up the sound.

I bet you are very proud of her.

Hey, thanks very much, I would have the sound unit quieter but it struggles to be heard over the motors if I turn it down any more.
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: TomHugill on May 22, 2015, 09:55:45 AM
Thanks Tom......my comment of V8's was just a guess  :embarrassed:...but the turbo sound is very life like and is as you have downloaded the real thing

I had not heard of Benedini TBS mini ....but according to Google they do not require an armoured van or bank loan to purchase one  ;D .... Derek

Hey Derek, yes the benedini system is very reasonable. My one with two tbs mini sound cards, amp, wiring and two speakers was 220 delivered from Germany. But most people would only need one tbs mini. 

There's also the added benefit that the card can be reprogrammed with different sounds so can be swapped from boat to boat.
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: sailorboy61 on May 22, 2015, 12:57:52 PM
Looks great Tom.


Well mine finally made it up of the floor and back onto the bench, so hopefully, next few weeks will have her on the water!
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: GAZOU on May 22, 2015, 01:38:46 PM
He well!

220 to make noise ..............
And you do not find that expensively ............

You have good salaries in UK    O0
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: boatmadman on May 22, 2015, 01:46:49 PM
Very nice Tom.


Just a little porpoising there, try moving a little weight forward a bit, or else add a little inside the bows low down.


Ian
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: TomHugill on May 22, 2015, 05:25:56 PM
Very nice Tom.


Just a little porpoising there, try moving a little weight forward a bit, or else add a little inside the bows low down.


Ian

Little bit more on the trim tabs and she should be fine!

He well!

220 to make noise ..............
And you do not find that expensively ............

You have good salaries in UK    O0

The boat's probably about 1600 with the f14, decoder, batteries etc so no I don't find it excessive for a decent sound unit, if you're going to do something do it properly!

Looks great Tom.


Well mine finally made it up of the floor and back onto the bench, so hopefully, next few weeks will have her on the water!

Really look forward to seeing that, would be great to have a pair running in the same place!
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: Atlantic Mouldings on May 22, 2015, 10:13:38 PM
Looks great on the water :-))
Super job O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Graupner moonraker finished
Post by: w3bby on May 23, 2015, 11:00:15 AM
Very nice looking boat. Now it's just to study the full size to get the ride attitude......

Moonraker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z448QdHFtOY)
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: rocket ron on January 02, 2017, 06:35:36 PM
Hi TOM
When building Moonraker did you have a need to buy or make any etched standards for the handrail running round the
boat?
I need several and have no experience of where to go or what to do.


Happy New Year
RON
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on December 24, 2018, 04:32:35 PM
Hi There,
Just got hold of the moonraker kit, sort of unstarted.
The kit came minus plans / manual etc anyone out there got these items to sell or copy and send me, all costs will be met, I am in Finistere so some cost implication!
The above contributions will undoubtable give me inspiration / focus etc.
 Built a Jeles Verne last year and have used her to compete in various Brittany / Pays de loire competitions, finished 3rd in the BPL championship, well pleased!!
I will try and mount some photos.
Cheers
Tony S
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on January 17, 2019, 07:15:52 PM
Hey Tony, I've got a set of plans and manual somewhere but it's only in German!
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on January 17, 2019, 07:52:35 PM
Hi Tom
Forgot to post, I found a set on German Ebay for 20. They have instructions in German, French and English. My one problem with this construction is that as the graupner Jet drives are not currently available, the kit came with another variety but the base is about 25 - 30mm too  short, however, with laminated plasticard should be able to fabricate closure pieces for the infill pieces.
Looks to be an interesting project, however the re are bits that need demounting to start again!
I might have found another kit in Germany, in a quandry as to buy or not(as a [possible investment)
Thanks again
cheers and bloavez mad(happy new year in Breton!)
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on January 17, 2019, 10:09:46 PM
Hi Tom
Forgot to post, I found a set on German Ebay for 20. They have instructions in German, French and English. My one problem with this construction is that as the graupner Jet drives are not currently available, the kit came with another variety but the base is about 25 - 30mm too  short, however, with laminated plasticard should be able to fabricate closure pieces for the infill pieces.
Looks to be an interesting project, however the re are bits that need demounting to start again!
I might have found another kit in Germany, in a quandry as to buy or not(as a [possible investment)
Thanks again
cheers and bloavez mad(happy new year in Breton!)


They're probably KMB jets which are tbh a better choice than the graupner ones! Glad.youve got some plans. Build thread?
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on January 19, 2019, 08:46:18 AM
Ah yes, thanks for that!
Perhaps a recovery/build thread covering the hull modifications to fit the KMB's.
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on January 25, 2019, 09:37:31 AM
ok, so how do I mount photos on here?
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: C-3PO on January 25, 2019, 10:30:13 AM
Martin's info re posting images on the forum

https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61103.0.html

C-3PO
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on January 25, 2019, 11:15:20 AM
ok, thanks for that
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on January 25, 2019, 11:16:31 AM
ok no2
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on January 25, 2019, 11:17:09 AM
no 3
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on January 25, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
no 4
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on January 25, 2019, 11:18:48 AM
no 5
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on January 25, 2019, 11:19:30 AM
no 6
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on January 25, 2019, 11:20:50 AM
no 7
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on January 25, 2019, 11:21:28 AM
the above, just for a taster!
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: C-3PO on January 25, 2019, 11:46:46 AM
Great detailing - looking forward to the Moonraker rebuild

C-3PO
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on January 25, 2019, 12:12:05 PM
forgot to add the rc system uses a 'v'tail mix, one stick controls both motors, forward and reverse both motore or one motor outside of turn inside stopped or as above wth the inner in reverse, that together with the bow thruster allows for static spins.
The lights work and the radar turns.
The origin of the name, a connection sort of with Jules Verne they were both science fiction writers, Jules Verne was painted mahogany brown to copy 30's vintage yachts, i preferred something more notable hence white.
The kit was bought from a model shop adjacent the Dutch shipyard who constructed the full size version, and the guy who commissioned the full size yacht also wanted a model, the shop had just started construction of said model when the guy lost his money, everything stopped. The original was then taken over by an American, she was finished and now rests in Los Angeles.
My model is purely of fiction.
A throughly enjoyable but hair tearing experience as I took the hull back to just the drive systems being installed.
I now look forward to the Moonraker build, obviously with a different name although still Bond connected! ; - ))
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: TomHugill on January 25, 2019, 12:57:12 PM
Superb Jules Verne! Really looking forward to seeing what you do with the moonraker.
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on February 19, 2019, 01:47:39 PM
The latest addition to the fleet, a 1/10 scale RIB, equipped with a jet drive by KMB, a 28mm job.
A challenge mounting all the 'stuff' in the central hull, uses a bucket type reversing system , it performs extremely well in reverse, answering turn commands without problem - can't wait for the competition season to start, 'I'll show those froggies a thing or two!!
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on February 19, 2019, 01:49:02 PM
ok 2 more
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on February 19, 2019, 01:50:04 PM
and another 2
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on February 19, 2019, 01:51:15 PM
and the final 2, the lights work etc
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: stotty1111 on February 19, 2019, 02:00:01 PM
Needs  finishing off, touching up screw heads with black marker pen or paint etc.
Another challenge finished, bought cheaply on ebay, the kit was unstarted so a blank canvas!
Been trying to find some 1/10 scale figures, a bit like rocking horse merde(French for you know what ;- D)  ) - so any suggestions greatfully received!

Now  on to the Moonraker, have now acquired some plasticard of varying thickness to fill part of the 3 hull holes, and also some 35mm pipe joints to enable the discharge tubes on the 3 x kmb's to be lengthened, just  need to find some 35mm diam copper tube for the extensions - a to visit Quimper required as there are some industrial plumbing outfits there who may have some short offcuts, time will tell. Otherwise it'll be good old UK ebay, problem with ebay, delivery cost! - usually more than the tube!
Title: Re: Graupner Moonraker build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 19, 2019, 05:35:51 PM

Topic Split!  :-)  -
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62577.0.html