Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: U-33 on July 17, 2014, 01:39:03 pm
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Right...technical question.
If I want to fly overseas, can I just turn up at the airport, buy a ticket, and hop on a plane? Or do I have to book the ticket in advance?
If I have to book in advance, I just know I'll get nervous about it and won't want to go... :embarrassed:
Rich
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It rather depends:
Where you want to go - EU probably OK but many other countries require visas or, in the case of the USA, ESTAS before they will let you in. You will need a current passport of course.
Whether there is any space on the plane, often there isn't.
You can't just 'hop on a plane' anyway, there is the dreaded security to go through and you need to be at the airport at least two hours before you fly which gives you plenty of time to decide to chicken out....
Personally I prefer to travel by ferry but not always easy if you want to go to Australia etc.
Colin
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Have you ever flown before?
Which part of the experience will cause you to get nervous?
I think BA still do 'chicken flights' for nervous passengers to get them used to the process and they explain all the various aeroplane noises on take-off and landing.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/travel/ba-course-helps-nervous-passengers-1847427
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Ryanair do something similar for nervous passengers , a short "round the lighthouse" and back type flight. www.ryanair.com
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you will also need heath and travel insurance rich.............and knowing from what you have said about your health, you might not even be granted it, never mind loaded premiums..............and never travel without it mate...............could cost you hundreds of thousands to get home if anything goes wrong......
Don't wish to put a downer on it mate.........but you need to know the facts blunt and straight. you know what insurance companies are like and also foreign countries for their health regimes. neil.
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It's getting worse...
Yes, I have flown before, short flights to Cork (x2), Jersey (x2) and Lerwick (x1), but not long haul stuff...9 hours and 15 minutes up there. With nothing underneath me but fresh air...
Oh, and a 'round the block' flight in a Jet Ranger heli. Oh, and I sat in the cockpit of a Super Sabre and a Hawker Hunter one day.
According to various travel insurance companies I checked out, I will need a doctor's letter approving that I'm ok to fly, a list of my medications, plus a three day supply of meds with me, plus whatever I have in my case in the hold. Plus a letter from my heart specialist describing what happened to me, what procedures they did, how successful they were, etc.
I don't exactly get nervous as such, it's the thought of what might happen when I'm up there...what happens if the plane runs out of petrol or gets a puncture, that sort of thing. And when the driver says ''we are cruising at 500mph and 35000 feet''....yea, right. I just hope he's looking where he's going and not sightseeing out of the window...
I need a large scotch...and I'm still waiting for my passport to arrive.
Gulp...
Rich
Oh...destination Vancouver, Canada.
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If you have medical conditions, ring the airline assistance team before you book. Their staff will make the arrangements to get you through the airport (security, check-in etc.). You will probably go through the VIP route to minimise the health risk of waiting for too long. They'll use the electric trolley bus things to get you down to the gate and you'll have preferential boarding onto the plane.
The assistance team will have briefed the cabin crew on your condition so they'll know you're on the plane and they will talk to you to make sure you're ok before departure.
They'll keep an eye on you for the whole flight and at the other end, they'll meet you with a wheelchair or electric trolley thing to get you through the airport customs, passport control, baggage claim etc.
You must have travel insurance if you have a medical condition because you could be bankrupted you if you become ill - or worse!
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TBH take off and landing are the most risky parts and you've done that - on a helo !
Chugging along for 9 hours is just Boring.
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Rich, my OH just said they use a good insurance company at work for when they take some of the clients abroad, as you know it's adults with learning disability's.
I'll find out a bit more tomorrow for you.
Nothing to be nervous about with flying, just sit at the back......
You ever heard of a plane backing into a mountain? :-)
Oh just think, 10 hours without a fag <*< :-X
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flying's the safest form of transport there is rich,
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That'd be great Ian...thanks ever so much for that. Knowing my luck, the plane would take off and finish up in the Far East, sat nav batteries not charged. Oh, and I have something here you will just love to see... ;)
As for the taking off bit...I love that bit, reminds me of my old street rod when you dropped the clutch.
Rich
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yea the flying bits not the problem, depending on the type of plane - the batteries are - or the flight crew - (too soon?), its the last 1mm before any part of the plane hits the ground - wherever it touches down {-)
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I always think of Crocodile Dundee in that 747 when it lifts off the runway...'jeeeeeez'
Rich
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Hi all,
It is said that a helicopter does not fly,
It simply beats the air into submission.
Regards
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My Chinook beat me into submission...I can still feel those rotor blades doing their best to perform a sex change operation on me... <:(
Rich
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just don't get on one painted EL AL on the side, and heading for USA, {-) {-)..............or take a chute if you do.
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Remind me to charge my iPad and my reasonably intelligent phone before I go...
Rich
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Oh, and I have something here you will just love to see... ;)
Rich
Ohhhhh matron....
Now that's got me wondering, oh hang on I think I might know, does it begin with a U?
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Remind me to charge my iPad and my reasonably intelligent phone before I go...
Rich
Incontinence pad won't be needed Rich {-)
Most airlines have inside toilets these days {-) {-)
Ned
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Incontinence pad won't be needed Rich {-)
Most airlines have inside toilets these days {-) {-)
Yes indeed, but:
1) If you are standing up when you press the flush it will make you dizzy if you look down.
2) Never, ever press the flush while you are sitting down - remember the way they manage to get an egg through the neck of a bottle.
Other than that you should be fine.
Colin
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Before you use the toilet watch
Billy Connelly's Jobby Wheesha %% %%
Ned
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You are not helping! What with you lot and the news today of a Malaysian 777 being shot down over Russia, I'm thinking of going by boat.
Rich
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Once you're in the air, and have survived the first nine hours or so; do, please, shut your eyes fifteen minutes before you land at Vancouver.
The approach requires the plane to not-quite-clip the tops of the Rockies. The scenery's fantastic - snow-capped peaks at wing-tip height and whatnot - but you can't help thinking "IF I survive the crash, I'm many days' walk from civilisation. Shackleton had it easy."
:-))
Andy
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You are not helping! What with you lot and the news today of a Malaysian 777 being shot down over Russia, I'm thinking of going by boat.
Rich
Long tail boat by any chance?
Your need a fair few lipo's to get you all that way {-)
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Oh, thanks a bunch, Andy...I shall look forward to seeing the Rockies close up. Not...
Ian...I'm not quite sure I'd fit in my long tail...I think my a s s is a touch wider than 3".
And you were correct in your assumption...the new arrival does begin with U. Gawd knows what I'm going to do with it, it doesn't fit under the bed, or on top of the wardrobes...and there's another U boat coming back from Norwich.
Rich
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Rich,
If you are nervous sit in the rear.
I have never heard of an aircraft REVERSING into a mountain.
Bob
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ok2...one day...we were travelling from Sydney to Adelaide [about 1100 km] & naturally with out own namesake QANTAS
So we taxi out to the middle of Botany Bay on the main runway & the Boeing 737 stops......
Big booming Australian voice says...morning folks...the Captain here...we have a small issue.... <*< a dial in the dash board doesn't work <:( & we really need it to work before we depart
10 minutes later big booming Australian voice says...sorry folks... a technician from the technical department is on his way.....
20 minutes later big booming Australian voice says...sorry folks... technician says it's broken %% & a new dial is on it's way
30 minutes later big booming Australian voice says...folks... new dial works OK...... :-))
We are on our way and unlimited free courtesy wine for all on board en-route to Adelaide [yes wine from those little 50 ml bottles O0]
Now with my wife being tea-total.....& without me being greedy, when the Hostie gets to me I politely say two bottles of RED please
The response is ....sorry sir...we only have Australian Chardonnay
Chardonnay I say..... >>:-( ...no self respecting Australian drinks Chardonnay ....we export/deport every drop to the UK........I wouldn't even clean my teeth with it :P
So Rich..........before you book your flight....just make sure the Airline has a larger wine selection than just Chardonnay <*< .......Derek
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And you were correct in your assumption...the new arrival does begin with U. Gawd knows what I'm going to do with it, it doesn't fit under the bed, or on top of the wardrobes...and there's another U boat coming back from Norwich.
Rich
Erm, this I have to see, you had better hurry up and make room for it, in just over a week's time your have two of the things {-)
Will it not go diagonal under the bed corner to corner? how long is it?
I bet it would look good on my work bench, Oh no I shouldn't of said that :-X
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Hang on, I'll post up a pic...
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Here you go, Ian...
Rich
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It would look grand on your bench... ;D
Rich
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I love that Rich............a bed in your workshop..............where have I been going wrong, lol %% %% %%
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You can see why I don't get many 'romantic interludes' nowadays, Neil... ;D
Rich
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And when the driver says ''we are cruising at 500mph and 35000 feet''
As long as its that way round and not flying at 35000mph at 500 feet.
Recently, "they" have insisted that all electronic devices that are in hand luggage must be demonstrated to work or be lost. I would take a good book - the batteries in those never run out.
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If the driver starts flying at 500 feet, I'm getting out...smartish!
A good book...yep, that'll be good. War and Peace...that should last me.
Rich
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As promised, the insurance company they use is.....
http://www.able2travel.com/
There is also this one that is linked to the British Lung Foundation
https://www.allcleartravel.co.uk/CGI-BIN/LANSAWEB?PROCFUN+MSDWEB05+MSDSX03+ALC+ENG
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Thanks mate...much appreciated.
Rich
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Hi all,
"If the driver starts flying at 500 feet"
You can bet he will, at least twice every trip!
Regards
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Do they still issue passengers with a parachute?
Rich
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Do they still issue passengers with a parachute?
Rich
please tell me this thread is a wind up !!!
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Do they still issue passengers with a parachute?
Rich
Yeah,
and if it doesn't work they will replace it free gratis :D
Ned
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Can you travel by boat? At least if that runs out of petrol it will float....
Rich
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Re: 'pilot looking where he's going'. A study a few years ago showed that most pilots' eyes were focused twelve feet in front of the windscreen...
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Yep...that's really filling me with confidence. ''Oh look, there's a mount....''
Rich
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Re: 'pilot looking where he's going'. A study a few years ago showed that most pilots' eyes were focused twelve feet in front of the windscreen...
A few years ago?!? When I was flying (military) about 40 years ago it was well established knowledge that when there is nothing to 'lock onto', such as a bland sky, ours eyes 'idle' to a mid-distance of some yards. Hence looking into a clear sky (from the ground as well) you don't see something like a bird until you suddenly do and then it's so obvious you wonder why you didn't see it before. Now you know :-)
Radar doesn't have that shortcoming - hence we now have ATC and collision avoidance systems.
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With all the present/past pilots we seem to have on here, wouldn't someone be interested in earning a few quid and flying me over? We could talk boats all the way, then I'd forget about being nervous. I'll take a flask and some sarnies... ;)
Rich
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a true story now Rich....
I used to live in a pub called the "Bell" in a little village called Waltham St Lawrence, just down the road from a ww2 fighter station called White Waltham and where they filmed "those magnificent men...." etc.......it was a bit of a hooray henry 14th century pub and the landlord was an ex fighter pilot who flew hellcats off aircraft carriers in the pacific during ww2.
not long after I had moved in (was teaching just down the road in Maidenhead) he held a party for me.....there were a lot of his friends their and I was made most welcome by all.....there were three youngish guys putting it back very freely when at about 2.00am one of them keeled over and fell flat on the ground face down.
one mate said..........."Got any strong coffee, Landlord".
to which the second friend said......."yeh, the stronger the better please..........gotta sober him up, he's flying to Bahrain in four hours"
To which I said................."oh, is he going on holiday"
"No mate" came the reply.........."he's the pilot".......????
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If I were to reply to that using sweeper driver's language, Martin and Ken would be collectively having kittens.. :o ...so I'll stick to saying ''oh gawd'' and leave it that.
Remind me to stand close to the pilot and check for alcohol fumes...
Rich
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If I were to reply to that using sweeper driver's language, Martin and Ken would be collectively having kittens.. :o ...so I'll stick to saying ''oh gawd'' and leave it that.
Airliners always have at least 2 pilots and it's very rare for both to be drunk :D
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I must admit when I first flew commercially I was nervous as everything I'd been up in before were two seater trainers-modern and WW2 (Scottish Aviation Bulldog and de Havilland Tigermoth). I had never been through customs or anything like it but luckily for me I transiting through RAF Brize Norton so at least I roughly knew where I was going. But try to enjoy it, after my first nine hour stint heading for Ascension Island I was that bored at 35,000ft that I went to sleep and didn't wake up until we were coming over the Falklands!
The strange thing is if you've been on a boat before some of the movements are very similar but I found the Boeing and the Airbus I was in to be quite comfortable and stress free. Take a good book and take whatever the Hosties offer you. :-))
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Rich,
Why do you think most airline owners have
Ocean Going Yachts to travel around in?
Look online for fast box boats to Canada from UK
Some have a few passenger berths.
Ned
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I'll have a dicky in my mate Rich Branson's shell like, see if he wants to earn a few bob in petrol money...
Rich
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seriously, Rich......
if you don't fancy going by air.........have a look in the back pages of a magazine called Sea Breezes.......there is a company that regularly sails from Antwerp, Southampton Tilbury and other southern ports..........it's main cargos are frozen foods out and banana's back...they take passengers, and the accommodation is luxurious...maximum usually 8 - 10 paying passengers and it was, last time I enquired about 4 years ago, 80 quid a night all in per passenger ......even wine at the dinner table..............they go world wide......and cheaper than aircraft as well on a short Atlantic trip. forgot the name of the company but been going for years.........may be more to your liking.
neil.
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That's interesting, Neil...thanks for that. But, I have to get on a plane...I know we've all been joking about me doing it, but my sister comes home from Vancouver Island regularly, in fact she's coming over again in August, and if she can do it at eighty eight years of age, then I can do it at sixty five. My late father went when he was sixty four and mother was sixty three, my late brother went at the age of sixty two, so I really have no excuse not to.
It's been a good few years since I went in a plane, so I'm guessing things have changed somewhat...
Rich
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If you travel across the pond in a ship, you still have a 6000km journey ahead of you to reach Vancouver. Better off flying.
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I'd love to beg a lift on one of our subs...I wonder where Astute is? %)
Rich
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That's interesting, Neil...thanks for that. But, I have to get on a plane...I know we've all been joking about me doing it, but my sister comes home from Vancouver Island regularly, in fact she's coming over again in August, and if she can do it at eighty eight years of age, then I can do it at sixty five. My late father went when he was sixty four and mother was sixty three, my late brother went at the age of sixty two, so I really have no excuse not to.
It's been a good few years since I went in a plane, so I'm guessing things have changed somewhat...
Rich
First long haul flight I did on my own from the States I was only 8, you will be fine..
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It's been a good few years since I went in a plane, so I'm guessing things have changed somewhat...
(http://www.sol.me.uk/icons/rofl.gif) Only for the worse my friend.
I'd love to beg a lift on one of our subs...I wonder where Astute is?
I think that if they see your sig they might just decline your request.
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Here's a link for a Felixstowe - New York route: http://www.freightercruises.com/seaworthy_news_1104.php
Then you take the train (Amtrak) to Montreal, then VIA Rail Canada to Toronto, where you board a transcontinental train for Vancouver. NO flying required! :-))
Tom
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Hi, U33 last year about this time I travelled on an A 380 top deck at the back (Emirates) and you feel more like being in a large room. Very little sensation of anything really, even take off and landing. In a large aircraft there are fewer sudden movements.
I always go for an aisle seat, I flew about 45,000 miles last year, a record for me. If you select an aisle seat in the 3 seat configuration you frequently have an empty seat next to you.
Most long haul flights will need you to decide where you want to sit on-line 24 hours before you are due to fly. Some times if you book earlier you may have to pay £25 per flight! But when you have booked / paid for your seat there should be a seat allocated to you. It is just doing it for the first time that is daunting!
If you go one month and come back the next month you should get a change of films etc.
As far as travel insurance goes I have a current account that gives free insurance for EU travel and cost £20 to upgrade to World wide cover for a whole year. But as Neil says don't go without it.
Worrying about 7 miles of 'thin' air under you is as daft as thinking about how deep the ocean is when in a ship.
We all have to live with a degree of trust placed in others especially in the transport business. I have a cousin now retired who drove an underground train in London, now you could reall worry about being in a tube train! But I do it on a regular basis and I am claustophobic and sometimes have a bad night and have to keep the light on.
Not easy but a bit of Displacement Therapy helps, take a book or plan you next model boat etc.
So a bit of common sense plus checking on what your fears really are, it is not flying which is the problem it is crashing and at least you know the pilot is trained ( I like to find a lady pilot as they have had to work harder to get the job!) not so a lot of the car drivers you will meet on the way to the airport.
Good luck anyway check what is the worst that can happen, see how often it happens and then compare it with driving on our roads.
A small tip, we all take water with us now but you cannot take it through security. The solution is simple ,empty the bottle before security and take the empty bottle with you. When through security you will find outside all of the toilet areas there are are cool water fountains and fill the bottle there.
While flying last year I saw a film I would otherwise have missed "Robot and Frank" it's a great film, should be on TV in a year or so don't miss it!
good luck and kind regards Roy
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Humans are rubbish at estimating risk.
Statistics are better! Here's the facts:
Deaths per billion kilometres -
air 0.05
bus 0.4
rail 0.6
van 1.2
water transport 2.6
car 3.1
bicycle 44.6
pedestrian 54.2
motorcycle 108.9
So every mile you drive is 62 times more risky than flying. Vancouver is 4700 miles from the UK - the same risk of death as a drive of 76 miles. How far from the airport are you?
And finally, those figures are per billion kilometres. You'd have to fly the LHR/YVR round-trip six hundred thousand times to stand an evens chance of death.
It really is very safe.
Andy
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Rich,
Book the flight, get on the plane and off the other end, simples!!
If your time is up it wont matter where you are so just go enjoy Canada.
Bob
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You can also remember that almost all crashes are on take-off or landing - so long as you don't die in a massive fireball on take-off, then you only have to be prepared to jump and run through a smaller fireball at the other end.
But at least you'd be at your destination.
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You lot really crack me up, the class of humour is amazing...and I thank you all.
I am going to get on that plane...my name has been short listed twice already by the Big Man, and twice I've been turned away at the Pearly Gates, so I don't fear meeting my maker at all. At least if I'm six miles up it won't be so far to go, will it? I'll be half way there before the ink has dried on his list of the day...
I have my list of things to take, I've made my will (unofficially adopted daughter seems to be very friendly towards me all of a sudden %) ) my boats will be going to my good friend Andy, and whatever is left will be sold and the proceeds will go to the RNLI. I guess I'm about ready...now all that remains is select the date of departure, pay for everything (ouch... <:( ) and I'm ready.
Thanks guys...
Rich
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And we ;) will all be here when you get back
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And as Arnie once said...''I'll be back''
Rich
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Friday the 13th seems a good day to fly!!!
Bob
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you could go back on the lancaster that came from Canada - the ticket should be cheaper - that other guy paid for most of it {-)
I don't know what the text at the bottom says but if it is Russian and you are going the other way - your safe from a buk missile system - just :P
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Strangely there's a program on tonight about the Lancaster I think, 9.30 BBC2
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I'll be the one waving from the window... ;)
Rich
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That's interesting, Neil...thanks for that. But, I have to get on a plane...I know we've all been joking about me doing it, but my sister comes home from Vancouver Island regularly, in fact she's coming over again in August, and if she can do it at eighty eight years of age, then I can do it at sixty five. My late father went when he was sixty four and mother was sixty three, my late brother went at the age of sixty two, so I really have no excuse not to.
It's been a good few years since I went in a plane, so I'm guessing things have changed somewhat...
Rich
yes Richard things have changed planes now have inside toilets lol
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Yea ok..thanks Mark, for that gem of information!
Rich
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and beds - depending on what you pay, so you could lie down and watch the ceiling move strangely compared to the other sections of the plane (one twists one way while the other twists the other. %)
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yes Richard things have changed planes now have inside toilets lol
...and only one set of wings, not two. ;D
Andy
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and surprisingly, more than one engine. but they do have fire coming out it - sometimes not neccesarily as expected
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You can also remember that almost all crashes are on take-off or landing
Exact
See for the most known:
AIR FRANCE
AIR MALAYSIA
AIR MALAYSIA
AIR ALGERIE
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Do not forget: the place the most dangerous for the world is the bed!
The majority of people die in a bed
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1st was batteries wasn't it - and was it one of them plastic ones
2nd was intentional -apparently
3rd was intentionally -ie shot down
4th was just bad luck with the weather - apparently
What - too soon
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You lot are really filling me with confidence... 8)
Rich
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:}
and planes going to Vancouver have to go over the most remotes parts of Canada and the ice sheet, if it comes down there you will need a bit more than a wooly jumper
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ok2
In Canada it is the worse
There is a cold, a snow, a hoarfrost, an ice-cold lake
And I forget it {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Well, I am in Vancouver at the moment and it is hot and sunny. It is one of the most attractive cities you could ever hope to visit!
Colin
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Probably hotter than the UK.
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Vancouver forecast 23 c today
My porch 23.8 c at 0930!
Not going to last though
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NOTE - I said if it came down onroute ok2 - wooly jumpers don't come with the life vest
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I stand corrected, Dougal. Although it is supposed to get hotter next week. :}
My post was more about Canada not being all igloos, frozen tundra and polar bears. Just parts of it {-)
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Bob
You must be about to get our heatwave. We've had 29/30 in the south but it's dropping down to 20'ish from tomorrow we're told. As long as it stays dry for tomorrow's display.
Never saw one polar bear when last in Canada or the times before. But then I only seem to get there in the autumn. Ho hum
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Maybe you got our last heatwave? Low to mid 30's, mid to upper 30's if you include the humidex. Too hot, it was hard to sleep. Next week looks great, upper 20's, maybe 30. 8)
Hope you have great weather for your display tomorrow.
Get on that plane U33, the weather is warm, the beer is cold.
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Flying is still one of the safest ways to travel, boring mostly, especially long-haul but it's the only way to travel to get anywhere within a short time. It would be great to cruise/ sail everywhere like I used to when I was a kid but it's no longer practical for most of us.
My advice for long-haul travel, don't eat too much before flying avoiding use of the cramped 'facilities', save space for regular fluids to avoid dehydration from the dry atmosphere. Wear loose clothing and footwear, invest in some decent headphones (preferably noise cancelling) for the inboard entertainment
If you can manage to sleep on board do so it shortens the flight, apart from that, why worry about flying?
People do it all the time, there are hundred of flights passing overhead every day and they have no issues.
Just do it.
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And if you do not want to hear the children cry try to sit down behind the device.
Generally the children are at the level of wings, near the central galley
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Just seen a tip to reduce fear of flying which is to read up on how it works, etc. The idea being that knowledge conquers fear.
Of course, there may be a flip side to that :D
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Hi,
If possible get as close to the "Black" boxes as you can.
It seems that in a crash most of them are found!
Regards
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It will be in the tail. :}
ken
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I agree with Plague, read up and get confidence in the theory and practice. of flying I used to dislike spiders until I read a book on their life cycle, very interesting. I am chief spider catcher in the family.
The "black" box theory is fine as long as you remember that these boxes an orangy red. So I suggest you need to wear this colour to take full advantage of the theory. Mind you finding clothes in this colour might seriously knock your "street cred".
regards Roy
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English coming back from holidays in Spain have much more luck to be found
They are quite red O0 {-) {-) {-)
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Guys........I am doing an OZ short haul :D tomorrow morning ....1100 Km from Sydney to Adelaide for a few weeks
My dear GAZOU ....Adelaide is an Australian home of good RED wine growing vineyard's ..........
Will keep all posted O0..... Derek
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Yes I know Derek , , there is of very well wines in Australia
There is also of the very good cola ................. {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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"very good cola"???????
We only use Cola if we cannot find killed spirits for soldering flux %) ......Derek
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I suggest everyone starts flying by hovercraft. Statistically speaking it's safer than anything else, apart from maybe an ekranoplan.
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Look out for one armed pumps Rich {-)
Ned
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For pumps read pilots.
The wonders of Smartphones >>:-(
Predictive Text is a retrograde step IMHO.
Ned
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I never use it...my smart phone is only a reasonably intelligent phone, and I don't trust it.
Rich
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But who pressed the send button? :police:
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I hold up me hands to the fact I seldom read my ramblings
before pressing send.
However, how a not so smart phone can substitute pumps
for pilots albeit one armed, is beyond my ken.
Ned
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Has Ken only got one arm, then?
Rich
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I was waiting for a smart phone to come up with that {-)
Rich, did you not see the news item on the Birmingham
to Belfast flight.
Rather a bumpy landing I believe :embarrassed:
Ned
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Rather a bumpy landing I believe
But quite armless for the crew and passengers thankfully.....
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Just relax and enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918)
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The two Lances were better than that at Coningsby yesterday :-)) :-)) %)
Ned
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If the driver starts flying like that, I'll be getting off...smartish.
The two Lancasters and two Spitfires looked and sounded superb here thisarvo...I wonder if I could scrounge a lift on Vera when she goes back to Canada? Funnily enough, my sister(who lives on Vancouver Island)is named Vera..
Rich
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:-))
Flight simulator made enormous progress