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Title: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on July 24, 2014, 10:23:35 pm
Picked up an ASD tug hull from Mark's Model Bit's this morning.


Really nice hull and very, very strong. I am well impressed.


Spent a bit of time chatting to Mark - a really helpful and friendly chap.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: mark w on July 24, 2014, 11:07:21 pm
Cuppa,
 
Bought a semi kit from Mark last year (he no longer carries it  :(( ), was very easy to deal with, had no problem shipping to the states.
 
Mark
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 25, 2014, 12:37:40 am
 
See:  http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,35280.msg351347.html#msg351347
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on July 25, 2014, 12:49:07 am

See:  http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,35280.msg351347.html#msg351347 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,35280.msg351347.html#msg351347)
haha . thats my build !

Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on July 26, 2014, 06:55:29 am
Thanks chaps


Nice build Ian.


I am going to use a single 60mm kort on mine.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on July 28, 2014, 11:47:39 am
Have been getting the hull prepped for the build and sorting shaft, kort, motor, coupling and prop.


will post some pictures when it reaches the 'interesting' stage if anyone is interested (I know builds on this hull have already been posted by others far more skilled than I am).


The ASD is a great hull and excellent value for money. I just hope I can do it justice.............
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on July 28, 2014, 01:34:07 pm
Have been getting the hull prepped for the build and sorting shaft, kort, motor, coupling and prop.


will post some pictures when it reaches the 'interesting' stage if anyone is interested (I know builds on this hull have already been posted by others far more skilled than I am).


The ASD is a great hull and excellent value for money. I just hope I can do it justice.............
please do post pics of your build mate. Every build is different and every one does them different
Will you be using standard props and shafts with steerable kortz nozzles. Or will you be using steerable asd units from graupner ?
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on July 28, 2014, 01:35:14 pm
Sorry. Didn't read your post correctly lol :embarrassed:
Look forward to seeing photos of the build
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on July 28, 2014, 01:36:02 pm
And do a build log. Every stage of the build is interesting !!
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: mark w on July 28, 2014, 04:31:32 pm
And do a build log. Every stage of the build is interesting !!

+1.
 
Mark
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Netleyned on July 28, 2014, 05:45:25 pm
Remember Mark showing the prototype at Wick steed  2010
It danced around the pond :-))
Not sure what running gear it had but it was impressive.

Its still on my top five of models to make before crossing the bar.

Ned
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: slug on July 28, 2014, 07:37:51 pm
I think that he used the motors etc as per semi kit....tony......ps my mate made one with a 70mm prop...nearly planes
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on July 29, 2014, 12:07:37 pm
I think that he used the motors etc as per semi kit....tony......ps my mate made one with a 70mm prop...nearly planes
mine did plane !! Ask mark from mmb
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 01, 2014, 10:30:09 am
OK - here is the first picture. 60mm kort and the 5mm propshaft. Not bonded in yet as I have to get a P frame to support the shaft - I don't fancy hanging a 60mm brass prop on the end of the propshaft without it having some support.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/cupoftea77/Kort.jpg)
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on August 01, 2014, 10:46:21 am
. Not bonded in yet as I have to get a P frame to support the shaft
i put a p frame in mine but front it wasn't strong enough . so i decided to put wedges in there instead .. worked a lot better
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 01, 2014, 10:57:21 am
i put a p frame in mine but fount it wasnt strong enough . so i decided to put wedges in there instead .. worked a lot better


Thanks for the tip Ian - so a plywood fillet between the propshaft and the hull would be the best bet?


Cheers
            Jon
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on August 01, 2014, 11:02:19 am
thats what worked best for me ! :-))


(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=35280.0;attach=105479;image)
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 01, 2014, 11:28:53 am
Thanks Ian
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 01, 2014, 11:37:47 am
postman has just delivered the 755 motor from Action Electronics - man that is one big motor! It is the motor that Mark recommended for a large single kort installation for the ASD hull. Next job is to make up a motor mount then solder some wires and capacitors on to the motor and then run it in.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on August 01, 2014, 12:33:28 pm
Ooh. Just a thought too. Don't know if you can see on my picture. But I havn't used the bits that you got to stick to the kort nozzle for the rudder post to fit in to because I found that the angle of the prop shaft was too great
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 01, 2014, 01:31:13 pm
Thanks Ian


Your help is much appreciated. I am now busy trying to reduce the propshaft angle as much as possible,
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on August 01, 2014, 01:38:12 pm
Thanks Ian


Your help is much appreciated. I am now busy trying to reduce the propshaft angle as much as possible,
no problem mate don't want to tell you how to build it because we all build to out own ways. Just pointing out what worked best for me
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 03, 2014, 03:30:48 pm
Slight change of plan in the propulsion system area. I have decided to use a fixed kort and rudder - just a system I prefer so am going ahead and modifying the kort to make it fixed.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 03, 2014, 04:36:33 pm

Hiya Cuppa,

I was thinking of fitting a Kort as well but my Propeller has rounded tips  !!    Am I correct in saying the ends have to be flat, just missing the wall of the Kort tube.  ?

Cheers

Ken

Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on August 03, 2014, 05:26:33 pm
Hiya Cuppa,

I was thinking of fitting a Kort as well but my Propeller has rounded tips  !!    Am I correct in saying the ends have to be flat, just missing the wall of the Kort tube.  ?

Cheers

Ken
ken. On real boats. Yes. On models it would t make much difference
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 03, 2014, 06:30:21 pm
Hiya Cuppa,

I was thinking of fitting a Kort as well but my Propeller has rounded tips  !!    Am I correct in saying the ends have to be flat, just missing the wall of the Kort tube.  ?

Cheers

Ken


Hi Ken


From my very, very limited experience I think that is optimal but not essential.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 04, 2014, 10:27:29 am

Thanks for that. i might follow your lead and have a go.
     
                                :-))


Cheers

ken
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: andywright on August 04, 2014, 09:34:37 pm
Hi Ken,
Usually props in kort nozzles are flat, you can buy kart shaped props from Prop Shop, http://www.prop-shop.co.uk/ (http://www.prop-shop.co.uk/)


Regards andy
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 05, 2014, 10:51:17 am

Thanks for the  'heads up'  Andy.  I will see how mine works first as I'm raiding the prop from another boat, to keep costs down.

I was thinking of filing the tips flat, but know that leads to balance problems.   %)

Cheers

Ken
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 05, 2014, 12:40:35 pm
ah well - all modeling activities suspended for at least 6 weeks. went to the coast for a day out yesterday - suffered big seizure down by the harbour and fell down on to concrete - big drama ensued involving coast guard and rnli. upshot is left arm broken just above the elbow and arm is in plaster from my shoulder to my wrist also have damaged left knee. the people who rescued me were wonderful and very kind.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 05, 2014, 12:51:04 pm

Ouch! Very sorry to hear that, get well soon.

... did you get any photos of the RNLI boat while you were sitting around holding your arm by any chance?!?!?  %)
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on August 05, 2014, 01:26:37 pm
Ahh cuppa that's really sad news mate. Hope you have a full and speedy recovery
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: mark w on August 05, 2014, 04:26:06 pm
Wow, really sorry to hear that. Geat well soon.
 
Mark
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 05, 2014, 06:20:04 pm
thanks chaps. must admit i felt a right fool being given all this attention in front of an audience of holiday makers. ah well - at least the concrete is ok!!!


i am very lucky that it was not far worse. the attention i received both at the scene and at the hospital was first rate.
sorry martin - i did not get a ride in a lifeboat. i think the rnli guys were in the area and helped - they were great- the coast guard sent a rescue\recovery team and i was then transfered from a coast guard vehicle to an ambulance. my memory of what happened is a tad hazy and i have no memory at all of the fall.


now i get to look at the asd hull for 6 weeks without being able to touch it.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Stavros on August 05, 2014, 07:43:21 pm
Hope you get better dammed soon I am enjoying reading this blog
 
 
Dave
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 06, 2014, 10:49:30 am

So sorry to hear of your accident Cuppa.  I hope you recover soon.  O0

How far away from home were you ?  Glad you got home safely.

regards

ken

Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 06, 2014, 08:20:11 pm
thanks ken.


we were about 60 miles from home.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 06, 2014, 08:26:01 pm

I had a feeling you were some way as you mentioned lifeboat crew.

I'll pop over sometime and sign your plaster.    {-)

Cheers

Ken

Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 07, 2014, 12:05:37 pm
hi ken


you are most welcome to pop round.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 12, 2014, 12:38:00 am
Now that the ouch factor has reduced a bit i am finding that I can do some modeling with my arm in a cast so have done a little bit to the kort today. Pics to follow soon...........................
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 14, 2014, 07:54:21 pm
Here we go: have installed the propshaft, skeg and kort. Decided to fit a steerable kort in the end. Good news (I hope) is that I went to the fracture clinic on weds and they removed the cast my arm was in (apparently for some types of fracture close to the elbow it is better not to immobilize  the joint). I am still limited in what I can do before ouch sets in but can do a lot more than when I had the cast on.
60mm prop arrived this morning. Anyway - here are a couple of pics of progress so far.



(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/cupoftea77/Hull.jpg)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/cupoftea77/Kort-1.jpg)
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 15, 2014, 10:46:28 am

Well done    :-))      I see you're made of sterner stuff.     :}   

How do you plan to steer her ?    is the Kort steerable, as the linkage looks to be very close to the stern ?

Cheers

ken



Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 15, 2014, 12:51:24 pm


How do you plan to steer her ?    is the Kort steerable, as the linkage looks to be very close to the stern ?

Cheers

ken


Hi Ken


The kort is steerable. I think the apparent lack of distance of the steering arm from the stern is a trick of the camera/shadow. The linkage is actually 1 1/2 inches from the transom.


Cheers
            Jon
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 15, 2014, 07:55:37 pm

Ah  !!.   I would have liked to try a Kort on my latest production but I started making the rudder first so I'll see how that goes.

Am I correct in assuming the centre shaft that turns it is positioned directly over the middle of the prop blades  ?

Cheers

Ken


 
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 15, 2014, 08:40:15 pm
Ah  !!.   I would have liked to try a Kort on my latest production but I started making the rudder first so I'll see how that goes.

Am I correct in assuming the centre shaft that turns it is positioned directly over the middle of the prop blades  ?

Cheers

Ken


Hi Ken.


I am no expert on korts but that is exactly how I set mine up - prop centre line on the pivot point.


Cheers
            Jon
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 27, 2014, 07:22:16 pm
Managed to do a little more:


Motor mount is now sorted and plywood reinforcement has been added for the P frame and kort mountings:
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/cupoftea77/P8270402.jpg)
Basically the motor sits on a bed of filler and is clamped by the brass rod. First time i have been totaly happy with the motor to propshaft alignment - it is as close to bang on as i can get it.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Stavros on August 27, 2014, 10:02:40 pm
If I was YOU I would certaintly reinforce both the motor mounting and the rudder stock with P40 Grp filler.............REASON WHY...............Ordinarry car body filler has NO inherrent strength and WILL NOT  stay fixed to the hull..........P40 is a totally DIFFERENT type of filler as it has Fiberglass strands in it and it will adhere properly to the hull.....the last thing that you will need is a motor mount breaking under vibrations is it.....secondly Ordinarry car filler is PORUS and will absorb water...........
 
 
Dave
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 27, 2014, 10:55:59 pm
Thanks Dave.


I had not thought of that - many thanks for the advice. Think I will grind the filler out and then replace it with P40.


Many thanks for your help.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: roycv on August 27, 2014, 11:53:14 pm
Hi just picked up the point about propeller tip shape for kort nozzles. 

I had an email chat with the late "Tow boat Joe" who was a tug master on the Mississippi and he said that with the many logs  on the river they went away from the close fitting props as these were being damaged and jammed up if a log got caught up.  They went to round tipped props because they did not get jammed so badly when this happened.
regards Roy
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 28, 2014, 03:40:20 am
Hi just picked up the point about propeller tip shape for kort nozzles. 

I had an email chat with the late "Tow boat Joe" who was a tug master on the Mississippi and he said that with the many logs  on the river they went away from the close fitting props as these were being damaged and jammed up if a log got caught up.  They went to round tipped props because they did not get jammed so badly when this happened.
regards Roy


Interesting - thanks Roy
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Netleyned on August 28, 2014, 08:50:46 am
I have found just the opposite with my model korts.
My Seaport tug with the original prop and nozzle picks up
weed.reeds and small plastic bags with ease.
My springer with a kort nozzle and flat bladed prop
does not have the problem.


Ned

Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on August 28, 2014, 09:03:55 am
Here is a picture I me sitting inside the kortz nozzle of the real tug that this kit makes up. Also my profile picture. The svitzer sun
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on August 28, 2014, 07:10:45 pm
Excellent picture Ian
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on September 02, 2014, 11:06:24 pm
Have now glassed the motor mount etc in using fiberglass paste as opposed to filler - much better. Thanks chaps.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on September 10, 2014, 08:49:10 am
Stavros was quite correct - as per my previous post I applied some pressure to the filler fitted motor mount and was able to 'remove' it. So I have removed all the parts I had fixed in with filler, removed any remaining filler from the areas where those parts were adhered, made up a new motor mount and have now fixed everything with fiberglass paste. Much, much stronger - a 'proper' job. Today I have to make up battery mounts and and an internal propshaft support. A big thank you to Stavros for saving me from a potential disaster when operating the model..........
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/cupoftea77/P9100407.jpg)
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Stavros on September 10, 2014, 09:28:50 am
Glad to be of help

Dave
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on September 11, 2014, 08:28:54 am
Propshaft support and battery 'boxes' now installed:
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/cupoftea77/P9110408.jpg)
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on September 11, 2014, 10:34:53 am
Very nice and neat job mate !!
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on September 12, 2014, 12:18:08 pm
Thanks Ian.


I have now added the 'power panel':
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/cupoftea77/P9120409.jpg)
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on September 22, 2014, 10:40:23 am
Well - I changed my mind once again and decided to go with a fixed kort and rudder. Next problem was where and how to get a suitable rudder. In the end I decided to go with a standard shop bought rudder as a starting point and then build up laminations of ply around it and then sand it to shape. I hope the final result of these labours is not too too bad.........
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/cupoftea77/P9220414.jpg)(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/cupoftea77/P9220415.jpg)
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on September 22, 2014, 08:01:24 pm

Hiya Jon,

You may want to round the corners of the rudder a bit more to enable better water flow with no  'Eddie-currents'

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on September 22, 2014, 08:46:29 pm
Thanks Ken - will do
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on September 26, 2014, 01:48:34 pm
Now I am starting to think about the best way to do the deck and its support framework and indeed what material to use in their construction. Probably I will go with a plastic deck and a wooden support framework. I also plan to fit a towing hook in case we ever feel the urgent need to tow something. So that will need a fairly hefty support under the deck. Seem to have spent the majority of this week dealing with medical matters so have not had much time for boats this week.
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on October 06, 2014, 08:31:45 pm
Today I wired up the basic electrics - all works ok and I will post a picture when I have neatened them up a tad...................
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on October 07, 2014, 04:05:11 pm
Here is the basic electrical system in situ. Still looks a bit like a squirrel's nest but please pardon that...
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/cupoftea77/PA070418.jpg)
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: roycv on October 07, 2014, 04:51:34 pm
Looks all bright and bushy tailed to me.
Roy
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on October 10, 2014, 07:32:28 pm
Thanks Roy


i am now trying to pluck up the courage to do the deck.......................................................
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on March 26, 2015, 04:31:16 pm
how you getting on with this build john ?
Title: Re: ASD hull from MMB
Post by: cuppa on April 12, 2015, 10:04:10 pm
Hi Ian

Sorry about the slay in replying. I put the tug on hold for a while so I could gain some more experience before cracking on with it. I hope to getting on with it in about 2-3 months time.