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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Yachts and Sail => Topic started by: jaymac on August 13, 2014, 10:37:15 pm

Title: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 13, 2014, 10:37:15 pm
 Anyone own and /or  have a preference for either of these boats   looking at getting  one of them  preowned .  I think the Moonbeam looks better but  would hazard a guess the Archer might sail better not having seen either in the flesh
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 13, 2014, 10:44:26 pm
There is a review of Moonbeam on the model Boats website: http://www.modelboats.co.uk/news/article/moonbeam/4457

Colin
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 13, 2014, 10:58:46 pm
Thanks I have seen that
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: slug on August 14, 2014, 08:40:21 am
my friend has a moonbeam and it sails very well....loves light winds..it moves when nothing else does,looks very graceful ...medium winds still sails well...heavy winds don't know..not as hard to transport as the colin archer...one of the best boats is the cariag pilot cutter...that does sail well..also the kit is a lot cheaper.full kit includes sails......tony
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: tigertiger on August 14, 2014, 08:51:09 am
It would be good if you can get some close up pictures. One may have better detailing than the other.


If you search for [Colin Archer RC] on Youtube you can find some nice videos that show how it sails. It seems to sail well in the right persons hands. In one vid it is being sailed not to well.
I could not find vids for the Moonbeam.
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 14, 2014, 09:51:45 am
Thanks   for the heads up on the CariaD Tony alas  not a builder i'm afraid
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: tigertiger on August 14, 2014, 10:37:44 am
Ah! I think I remember reading somewhere that the Colin Archer is more of an advanced kit. Whereas, the Moonbeam is a simpler model to build. The following links may give you a better idea of what you will get for your money.



The Colin Archer also looks like it will have an auxiliary motor fitted. Very useful if you become becalmed or end up nose to the weeds.
This would mean you will need more than a two channel radio, potential extra cost for a 4Ch set.


http://colinarcher.tumblr.com/ (http://colinarcher.tumblr.com/) build log here.


http://www.modelboats.co.uk/news/article/moonbeam/4457 (http://www.modelboats.co.uk/news/article/moonbeam/4457) review of Moonbeam here.


If you like both, consider price, shipping/collection costs and if any radio gear is included.
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: roycv on August 14, 2014, 02:17:06 pm
Hi jaymac I agree with Tiger t.  They both look good on the water.
Are you thinking to build from a kit or buy one ready to sail?

Also have you read the review of Moonbeam in International Marine Modeling?
regards Roy
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: Netleyned on August 14, 2014, 03:08:05 pm
As Jay Mac said in reply 6
He is not a builder so looking for a built model.

Ned
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: roycv on August 14, 2014, 03:31:04 pm
Thank you for putting me right Netleyned, I missed the 'preowned part of the first post.
R
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: hmsantrim on August 14, 2014, 03:58:30 pm
Hi jaymac.
 fleabay just now. the larger version colin archer
  frank
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Radio-Controlled-Model-Boat-/301274073817?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item4625558ad9 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Radio-Controlled-Model-Boat-/301274073817?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item4625558ad9)
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 14, 2014, 04:34:59 pm
 Yes hmsantim thats the reason for the query :-)   
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: slug on August 14, 2014, 07:58:00 pm
a lot cheaper than the moonbeam...it looks a lovely model...as it has less sail than a moonbeam also a back up motor I think it would be a better bet....I would go for it....shame I live to far away.....tony
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 14, 2014, 08:12:26 pm
Dont't think she has amotor Tony least no sign of a prop and  seems to have  no booms ?
Jay
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s161/jaymac_port/colinarcherRudder_zps70c53c9e.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/jaymac_port/media/colinarcherRudder_zps70c53c9e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: slug on August 14, 2014, 08:27:30 pm
looks like a prop in the cutaway between rudder and hull...think they were built with a prop......tony
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 14, 2014, 09:13:18 pm
Looking at it full screen there is only carpet
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: tigertiger on August 15, 2014, 02:55:41 am
Caveat


At least one version of the Colin Archer is a static, and not a working RC, model.
It may also be worth checking if it is one of the two models made by Billings.


Even if the smaller version of the Colin Archer is converted, it will not sail anywhere near as well as the larger model.
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: slug on August 15, 2014, 07:41:51 am
think that is a prop halfway up the rudder.....regards tony
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: hmsantrim on August 15, 2014, 12:15:09 pm
Hi jaymac.
 why dont you mail the seller and ask is the aux motor is fitted instaid of straining yer mince pies on a thumbnail photo. Possibly took modelers licence and did`nt fit it but as you can see fron the niche in the cows udder there should be a prop in the space.
 Tiger,  there are three different versions  the 51in as for sale on flea, a 37in (which is wot I have part started has shaft for aux motor) and the current static 47 cm wood Pof hull.
 
 Frank
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 15, 2014, 12:52:47 pm
Frank I'm ahead of you and She does not know and for the reasons She is selling I feel it would be disrespectful keep on at her to check to  I'm not straining with a thumbnail I have  a  2 clear Pictures that blow up very well but can only see carpet in the Hole :}  I'm more concerned by the lack of booms on the sails
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: hmsantrim on August 15, 2014, 01:09:24 pm
Hi jay.
 the end of main sail and aft sail (forget name) are atached to booms. Only end of the two jibs are`nt. 
 
 Frank
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 15, 2014, 04:04:45 pm
 Hi Frank I'm with it now  Msail   its partially hidden  No wonder I cant see a prop cant even see :} a big boom
jay
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: hmsantrim on August 16, 2014, 06:12:01 pm
Hi Jay.
    The fact I am viewing on a 31in flat screen TV with a 27.5in actual viewing screen area possibly helps me see a bit more.  O0
 
 Frank 
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 16, 2014, 06:52:59 pm
I meant can see the boom Frank but not the prop
Jay
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: tigertiger on August 17, 2014, 03:46:06 am
I can see a prop, just.
But that does not mean that there is a motor fitted. The original boat had a prop, and as such a model of the prop will also be included. The prop in the picture looks very small and could be a scale model prop. If so it will not have a motor. The larger of the two Billings models of the Colin Archer is suitable for RC conversion (says so in the kit) it does not mean that the model was converted for RC. To try and retro fit a static model to RC is a job for an expert.


If it was me.
As the Colin Archer model is offering too many unknowns, and the current seller seems unable to help, I would opt for the Moonbeam as I know it is a working model.


That is not an expert opinion, just my tuppence worth.
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: slug on August 17, 2014, 07:30:36 am
seems to have an arial coming out of the deck just in front of the boats on deck in picture 3.....tony...grey and goes up the mast...I think it it a smashing boat
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: roycv on August 17, 2014, 09:37:14 am
Hi all, there are 2 manufacturers of the Colin Archer kit at 1 : 40 scale  Billings and Robbe.  Difificult to tell them apart.  Clearly rc Perhaps someone can identify the radio Tx in the first photo?  If more than 2 channel would suggest prop has a motor.
Looks like a nice boat to me.
regards Roy
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: Netleyned on August 17, 2014, 09:44:51 am
With four stick trims I would assume 4Chann.


Ned
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 17, 2014, 10:09:07 am
Well they say there is none so blind as cannot see :}  I See  he he
  Helps if you look at the all the pics .Was just about to go for a refund on my implants. Tiger  re motor fitting difficulty would this also apply to just replacing an existing one  if fitted and needed  replacing.  Have to wait and see how the bid goes  should imagine there are a few lurking in the shadows  but if too close to the Moonbeam ?  ;) 
Jay
 
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: roycv on August 17, 2014, 10:58:20 am
Hi I see there is a Monbeam for sale on ebay.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOONBEAM-Radio-controlled-Yacht-Complete-ready-to-go-on-the-water-/201148500880?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item2ed5628b90

regards Roy
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: tigertiger on August 17, 2014, 11:41:12 am
...  re motor fitting difficulty would this also apply to just replacing an existing one  if fitted and needed  replacing.  ...
Replacing something already there should be straight forward, if you are changing like for like.
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 17, 2014, 12:54:07 pm
How Fiddly  derigging/rigging The CA for transport  the moonbeam seems pretty straight forward
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: klz on August 17, 2014, 04:25:32 pm
I wish sellers on EBay would box the items up and ship them, I would love that Moonbeam.
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: Netleyned on August 17, 2014, 04:43:52 pm
Dave Metcalf will box up the kit.
Less than that guy is asking
and you will have built it yourself :-))

Ned
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: roycv on August 17, 2014, 04:45:41 pm
Hi all, well the Colin Archer went for £150 still a bargain, I put my 2 penorth in but at half the final price, any body here win it?
Roy
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 17, 2014, 04:49:04 pm
 :-)
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: roycv on August 17, 2014, 04:52:01 pm
Hi Jaymac, was that a Yes?
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 17, 2014, 05:17:45 pm
It was Roy
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: slug on August 17, 2014, 05:33:46 pm
glad you got it...please keep us updated,lots of interest on here...questions to answer...who was right or wrong....I am nosey...good luck tony
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 17, 2014, 07:06:11 pm
Will do Tony aim to pick her up Tuesday if I can get it in the car  :}  Jay
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 18, 2014, 03:56:33 pm
Help anyone know if the Colin Archer Bow sprit withdraws easilyor can be removed .Apparently the mast   does not I might be in Deep Litter here <:(
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: slug on August 19, 2014, 08:55:06 am
today is the day...you will find a way round it...good luck...tony
Title: Re: Colin Archer or Metcalf Moon beam
Post by: jaymac on August 19, 2014, 07:25:10 pm
Well picked her up this morning little 17 ml round trip . Went in the car   easily nothing removed . Albeit the  Top sail and  its mast were not fitted but that would not have   been a problem .
Problem  It aint got  the top mast sail yes but no  bit o stick  .wonder if Billings do spares?.
Yes she does have a prop and a motor well I can see a black iron  hoop with   a   lot of shiny copper wire on  roll the and the speed cotroller is a mechnical one and  Aaargh there is no Sailwinch . never has been I would think.There are  loads of  pulleys and  rope  tied off at various points. So steep learning curve for this kiddy comin up .Otherwise  she seems in good nick old I would say
 Thanks to everyone for their various inputs no doubt   I'll have several more questions  fore  long
Jay