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Title: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on November 25, 2014, 09:13:09 AM
Hi Folks,

Here is my new build of a Fairmile D MGB658 @1/72. I afraid to say that it will not be R/C as I'm aiming to get it as detailed as possible.

The build will be built on Christians latest hull a 'Fairmile D' @ 1/72 complete with spray rails and rubbing strake which he has kindly let me have the first one. http://www.mtbhulls.co.uk/home

This picture is the inspiration for the build,  taken in Bastia, Corsica

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/v_zpsb3798426.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/v_zpsb3798426.jpg.html)

The hull is a superb rendition of the Dog Boat hull requiring very little in the way of preparation, a few air bubbles and the odd blemish. Great job Christian. After washing, sanding with wet and dry, washing it was primed with Acrylic grey primer.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070442Copy_zpsff4d403c.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070442Copy_zpsff4d403c.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070444Copy_zpsed56e254.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070444Copy_zpsed56e254.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070445Copy_zps45829a0a.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070445Copy_zps45829a0a.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070447Copy_zps84071b32.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070447Copy_zps84071b32.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070449Copy_zps334e339b.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070449Copy_zps334e339b.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070450Copy_zps649248e7.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070450Copy_zps649248e7.jpg.html)

For those interested in R/C I reckon it could be done fairly easily. The boat has a large central accommodation, the hull and deck weighs in at 204gms / 7 1/8 ozs. I reckon the scale displacement to be 720gms/ 25.4ozs. Although Christian normally supplies the huls with the deck attached he will supply them as separate pieces. I also seem to recall him saying he can build lighter for R/C.

Thanks for stopping by, I hope you find it interesting.

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: john44 on November 25, 2014, 09:53:48 AM
What a super moulding, looking forward to your build longshanks.


John
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on November 25, 2014, 10:47:21 PM
Thought you might be interested in my references, if you know of any more please let me know.

There is a large amount of info available

John Lamberts Plans  http://www.feralchic.../lambert-plans/

Allied Coastal Forces of WWII by John Lambert & Al Ross

The Fairmile D by John Lambert

Gunboat 658 by L.C. Reynolds. A personal account of his service on MGB658 from her build in Brixham in '43 through to the end of the war in the Med. He started as a midshipman and finished as commanding officer on the same boat. Great insight into life on these boats.

Mr Reynolds (RIP) has also published several other books

Dog Boats at War: Royal Navy MGBs and MTBs in Action, 1939-45

Mediterranean MTBs at War - Short MTB Flotilla Operations 1939-1945

Home Waters - MTBs and MGBs at War 1939-1945
 

To enable me to build this to a reasonable standard I will be using Coastal Craft Models excellent range of fittings, note they also do complete multi media kits.

http://coastalcraftmodelsuk.com/

Plus additional fittings from David J Parkins splendid range (includes lots for Flower class corvette)

http://www.djparkins...ttle_Ships.html

The hull of course from http://www.mtbhulls.co.uk/home
 

In between all this there will be a fair bit of scratch building  %%
 
I also hope you lot are going to help . . . . . .

longshanks
 
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on November 26, 2014, 09:49:16 AM
See if you can find the book 'Flag Four'. If nothing else it is a gret read but has some photos that might be of use.

Lovely crisp hull.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on November 26, 2014, 07:15:40 PM
Thanks for that buddy I'll try the library  :-))
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on November 29, 2014, 05:15:42 PM
Hi Folks,

Just a small update, work getting in the way of life ;-)

Accommodation block drawn out on deck along with the watertight bulkheads.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070454Copy_zps65fa6768.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070454Copy_zps65fa6768.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070456Copy_zps90bc9cd2.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070456Copy_zps90bc9cd2.jpg.html)

Its my intention to build the block over a coaming so that the block can be removed for ease of building. I guess I could of built the coaming on top of the deck but I wanted to have access below decks for reasons that may become apparent later.

So with some trepidation I set to with a 'Dremel' type cutting wheel. . . . .

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070459Copy_zpsbddc5a33.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070459Copy_zpsbddc5a33.jpg.html)

I need not have worried, lovely quality. I reckon the deck is  around 1.5/ 2mm thick. Aft cleaned up Fwd as cut with disc.

Kev
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on November 29, 2014, 09:06:40 PM
That is a good thickness. I hope my hull for HMS Rupert will be of similar chunkiness in due course.

Did you cut straight along the lines or did you sand the last smidgeon away to them?
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on November 29, 2014, 10:11:20 PM
I'm sure HMS Rupert will be to Christians usual high standard  ok2
I've a couple of his hulls and this is the first I've cut, nicely laid up inside.

Cut inside line with wheel and then sanded back using 60 grit and as you can see no flaking of gel coat

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Rottweiler on November 30, 2014, 10:50:45 AM
Already starting to look good Kevin, I shall be following this one!
Mick F
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on December 07, 2014, 06:31:09 PM
Well life has been getting in the way of the real world (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/frantic.gif)
 I've finally got a day to myself and time to see if my cunning plan is going to work . . . . .
 Opened up the two forward hatches. The one nearest the bow (pointy end) is the crew messroom, the second opens into a lobby connecting messroom, galley, skippers cabin etc..
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070460Copy_zps27d5ddda.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070460Copy_zps27d5ddda.jpg.html)
Thought process . . . boat alonside in the Med, nearly all the doors / hatches would be open. Soooo there had to be some interior detail . . .
 Start of crew messroom. The plan above shows the area to the right of the lighter.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070462Copy_zps24b979c1.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070462Copy_zps24b979c1.jpg.html)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070478Copy_zps9ce54a75.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070478Copy_zps9ce54a75.jpg.html)
Hence corners have to be cut off
 
Its in (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)
The drawing on the right side shows the side elevation of the area in question.
 (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070465Copy_zps3d9811c3.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070465Copy_zps3d9811c3.jpg.html)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070473Copy_zps7a95bfa8.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070473Copy_zps7a95bfa8.jpg.html)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070469Copy_zps975be219.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070469Copy_zps975be219.jpg.html)


and yes it does come out.
All I've got to do now is detail it, all thats present at the moment are the bottom bunks (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)
 Thanks for stopping by
Kev


 
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on December 08, 2014, 09:35:05 PM
Excellent, internal detail on a working model, that is mega!
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on December 09, 2014, 04:08:54 PM
Excellent, internal detail on a working model, that is mega!

Unfortunately not working  %)

On a model only 19" (480mm) long with a semi detailed interior(remember it can only be seen through the open hatches, each of which is only 10mm square) . I hope to detail engineroom, fuel tanks etc.. So unless I can pick up 1/72 Packard/Merlin working engines I'm snookered.  %%

If anyone can think of a source for 1/72 Merlin engines it would save me a lot of scratch building.

Thanks for looking

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Stavros on December 09, 2014, 04:22:15 PM
This any good
 
https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/AIRE7015 (https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/AIRE7015)
 
or if no good try these
 
https://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?&product_type_id=2570&scale_id=956 (https://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?&product_type_id=2570&scale_id=956)

 
 
Dave
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on December 09, 2014, 04:48:01 PM
Thanks Dave,
You may have saved my sanity  O0

Although the marine engine is slightly different with the restricted view these could well be suitable. Will have to check my references to see any major differences.

Thanks again for your input

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on December 09, 2014, 08:01:33 PM

Not to mention the 1/72 aircraft kits with the same engine, after all weren't aircraft engines modified for marine use.????
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: derekwarner on December 09, 2014, 08:22:20 PM
 ok2 .... 'after all weren't aircraft engines modified for marine use.????'  O0...well many certainly were....just needed a fresh sea water to sea water intercooler......Derek
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Netleyned on December 09, 2014, 08:33:34 PM
Fresh Sea Water ??????

Ned
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Shipmate60 on December 09, 2014, 08:45:52 PM
The earlier Marine engines were direct aircraft conversions but later variants used in Chieftain tanks and RAF Marine use were downrated by lowering the compression ratio and sometimes for competition increasing supercharger pressure.
I worked on an old converted RAF launch which still had the cartridge start.


Bob
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: derekwarner on December 10, 2014, 12:48:20 AM
 :D...sorry Ned...just a few too many glasses of RED ned causing the typo

Am sure all new the intent  :P ....closed circuit fresh water cooling with a sea water combined inter cooler

In smaller scales........the fresh water cooling system was just a series of manifolds & pipes run under the hull with the fresh water circulating & relying on a differential between the engine running temp & thus the delta T of the sea water  :-)) ......which was termed as surface condensing or surface cooling  O0 ....

If further clarification is required  {-)...there are two neds here..........

One being Netleyned from north of the border...& the other ned from my glass........Derek
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: TailUK on December 10, 2014, 09:19:16 AM
Let's not forget that Dogboats had Packard 4M-2500 engines, these were not the Merlin copies built for aircraft but a marine version of Packard's 1924 design. 
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: TailUK on December 10, 2014, 10:12:37 AM
Aftermarket resin engines are available although you'd probably have to use something like a Merlin engine.  The link is to a website for Berliner Zinnfiguren which does a lot of add on parts for 1/72 scale models.
http://www.zinnfigur.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Merlin+Engine&sort=1d&osCsid=4ki7r5q80pgek0bj6bgqv716l6&x=12&y=6 (http://www.zinnfigur.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Merlin+Engine&sort=1d&osCsid=4ki7r5q80pgek0bj6bgqv716l6&x=12&y=6)
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on December 11, 2014, 10:36:10 PM
Thanks for all the input guys . . . .

Small update to keep you interested  ok2

I've been detailing the crew messroom with tables and benches plus mattresses. The ford door is to the washroom, the aft watertight door leads to the rest of the accommodation.
 (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070480Copy_zps7a557a17.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070480Copy_zps7a557a17.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070481Copy_zps819de28e.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070481Copy_zps819de28e.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070482Copy_zpse871149a.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070482Copy_zpse871149a.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070484Copy_zps7d488087.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070484Copy_zps7d488087.jpg.html)

The side shelves either side clip on so that they can be fixed when the bulk is inserted into the hull

The messroom has been shortened and the height reduced to allow the module to slip through the aperture, neither of which will show through the hatch.

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on December 12, 2014, 11:45:19 AM
Classic design feature having the heads in a place that can dip and climb many feet in seconds while you are sat on the Khazi! I hope the designer got to experience that piece of genius. I appreciate that the heads have been in the bows for years but at least for centuries they were 'gravity emptied'.

We probably do not want to go into too much detail here about Ships Heads:O)

Looking great with lots of detail.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on December 18, 2014, 11:21:30 PM
Managed to find the time to add a bit more to the messdeck

Electric heaters added for crew comfort and the provision of storage behind the seat backs/ mattresses.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070487Copy_zps940c1a16.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070487Copy_zps940c1a16.jpg.html)

Addition of table and benches plus my interpretation of a pipe cot. There should of course be supports (wire/rope ?) to the deckhead from the outer edge

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070488Copy_zps92a433f0.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070488Copy_zps92a433f0.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070489Copy_zpscdd72824.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070489Copy_zpscdd72824.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070490Copy_zpse4f423b7.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070490Copy_zpse4f423b7.jpg.html)

All this is only visible through a hole 10mm square in the deck, must be daft  %) 

Thanks for looking in

Kev

PS Noticed the aft corner of the cot had come adrift, now repaired
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on December 19, 2014, 10:09:11 AM
That is good, as otherwise, it is a tight build with plenty of detail considering the viewing apeture. If the 'innards' are that good, I can't wait to see more of the superstructire and hull!
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: radiojoe on December 19, 2014, 11:16:43 AM
I do like these extra touches of detailing it doesn't matter if it can hardly be seen you know it's there and you've enjoyed doing it,
Great stuff.   :-)) :-))
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on December 21, 2014, 01:12:45 PM
Thank you to all who have been keeping an eye on this project  :-))

Well it's the turn of the aft fuel compartment today, again only visible through a 9mm diameter circular hatch situated right above the ladder.
 Components
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070492Copy_zpsd99c4b35.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070492Copy_zpsd99c4b35.jpg.html)


(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070495Copy_zpse5e1b702.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070495Copy_zpse5e1b702.jpg.html)


Three of the five fuel tanks, again access problems mean I can only model part of the compartment but it won't show . . .
The pipes furthest from the ladder are for venting and sounding the tanks. The other set is for filling.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070496Copy_zps11ffea84.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070496Copy_zps11ffea84.jpg.html)


My method of constructing the ladder
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070494Copy_zps4cd1bb5a.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070494Copy_zps4cd1bb5a.jpg.html)


(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070497Copy_zps1be62782.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070497Copy_zps1be62782.jpg.html)


The finished product
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070499Copy_zpsd3a5f961.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070499Copy_zpsd3a5f961.jpg.html)


(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070500Copy_zps547589c3.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070500Copy_zps547589c3.jpg.html)


(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070501Copy_zpse58a335a.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070501Copy_zpse58a335a.jpg.html)


As a point of interest these boats carried 5000 gallons in two compartments, the cost of filling them up in todays money would be £27,236 for which you would get approx 400 miles at 30 knots !!!
Think I might start the superstructure next while I ponder what if anything I'm going to do with the engineroom.
 Whilst I'm thinking about it does anyone have any pics / plans of the charthouse? There were local mods carried out I know. The plans I have show only one door from the charthouse onto the stbd deck, the pic at the top clearly shows a door on the port side (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/hmmm.gif)
 
Oh and here's one I prepared earlier
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070493Copy_zps1635b8a6.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070493Copy_zps1635b8a6.jpg.html)
Note to self ! When using the hot air gun to speed up the paint drying.
A) Keep it further away.
B)Keep it moving
 (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)
 
Thanks for looking in
 
Kev
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on December 21, 2014, 03:00:30 PM
Oh well, at least you recovered the situation and probably made it better the second time around? Brilliant to see how much fuel was sloshing around in these machines. 5000 gallons!
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on December 28, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
Time for an update.
 I needed to make a stand to hold the hull whilst working on it. Added complication that it needed to hold the hull with the waterline horizontal and level across the boat. This is due to the fact that many of the lines are parrallel or perpendicular to the water line.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070504Copy_zps6591a309.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070504Copy_zps6591a309.jpg.html)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070505Copy_zps2a759845.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070505Copy_zps2a759845.jpg.html)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070507Copy_zpsbf022c8b.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070507Copy_zpsbf022c8b.jpg.html)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Hull/P1070508Copy_zpsc234ab82.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Hull/P1070508Copy_zpsc234ab82.jpg.html)


Then on to the engineroom trunk cabin, formed out of plastic card
I asked sometime ago about small clamps with mixed results. Bought these on ebay, about £2 for 50, brilliant! They can be bent , shortened etc.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070510Copy_zps9a67111f.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070510Copy_zps9a67111f.jpg.html)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070511Copy_zpse74a9174.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070511Copy_zpse74a9174.jpg.html)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070512Copy_zps6ea1599d.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070512Copy_zps6ea1599d.jpg.html)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070513Copy_zps41f42bbd.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070513Copy_zps41f42bbd.jpg.html)
Thanks for looking in
Hope you all have a good New Year
 
Cheers Kev (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/drink.gif)
 
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on December 30, 2014, 02:15:22 PM
Forming the chartroom/bridge sides today. . .
It occured to me that perhaps everyone dosen't know how to scribe into the deck sheer, I fit kitchens for a living so its something I'm doing all the time cos builders can't build level or upright (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/winkgrin.gif)
So at the risk of boring you I thought I take some pics of my progress.
 
The first thing to do is level the top edge, this should be parrallel with the waterline. the way I do this is to se the boat up level i.e. in its stand. Then eye across the top to another level surface. In my case to a shelf across the workshop. In this case 1.5mm thick card at the back end was perfect.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070514Copy_zpsdd546781.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070514Copy_zpsdd546781.jpg.html)


Now using a piece of card the same thicknes pushed down onto the deck, a line can be drawn along the top.
 (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070515Copy_zps14ba1c74.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070515Copy_zps14ba1c74.jpg.html)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070516Copy_zps4d94fbde.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070516Copy_zps4d94fbde.jpg.html)


You will finish up with a line like this
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070517Copy_zpsc7239c6e.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070517Copy_zpsc7239c6e.jpg.html)
Having reduced the side to the line you may find your level but have to fine tune the line or indeed just lower the side. In this instance I would use a thin piece of card or a thick pencil.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070518Copy_zps6407cbfa.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070518Copy_zps6407cbfa.jpg.html)


Dont forget to check across the boat as well
 (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070520Copy_zps9a428a47.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070520Copy_zps9a428a47.jpg.html)
You can see the shelf in the background.
 
The finished piece
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070522Copy_zps7a4f74da.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070522Copy_zps7a4f74da.jpg.html)


Don't despair if your result are not perfect, mant craft had a plate 4/6" high around the bottom edge to secure the superstructure.
In this case both sides were the same, nice one Christian (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/goodjob.gif)
 So ends todays lesson lol, hope someone found it useful (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/winkgrin.gif)


longshanks

 
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Rottweiler on December 30, 2014, 04:15:31 PM
Nice one Kev!
 Looks an easy way of doing it,thanks.
Now the big question is....will it float lol.
Happy New Year to you and Jen.
Mick F

Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on December 31, 2014, 09:42:45 PM
Nice one Kev!
 Looks an easy way of doing it,thanks.
Now the big question is....will it float lol.
Happy New Year to you and Jen.
Mick F


Only if the levels are right  %) %) %)
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 01, 2015, 09:32:27 AM
No chance of it floating level or not  ;)


It's the little things in life that can give the most pleasure  %)
Working sliding chartroom windows

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070523Copy_zps1d9f0adf.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070523Copy_zps1d9f0adf.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070524Copy_zpsfd826c58.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070524Copy_zpsfd826c58.jpg.html)

Now if someone can tell me where I can get 0.3 + 0.4 mm drill bits with points on I'll be able to fit the brass handle.

Thanks for looking in, Happy New Year one and all.
 

Kev
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: dougal99 on January 01, 2015, 09:40:46 AM
Quote

Now if someone can tell me where I can get 0.3 + 0.4 mm drill bits with points on I'll be able to fit the brass handle.



I got mine from Squires Tools, no problems. There site is down for maintenance at the moment. Tel: 01243 842424


HTH
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 02, 2015, 03:41:03 PM
Amen to that. Definitly give Squires a call. They do pretty much anything and if they had the contact details, they might even stock those interesting clamps.

Looking Good Mr Longshanks, keep up the good and detailed work.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Rottweiler on January 02, 2015, 04:23:12 PM
Kevin,
I have sent you a pm regarding the fine drills?
Mick F
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 07, 2015, 03:08:31 PM
Here we go on an update to keep the interest going, yours and mine :winkgrin:

I've been working on the chartroom interior, a mixture of knowledge/guess work/gizmology . . . .
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070527Copy_zpsab45ed40.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070527Copy_zpsab45ed40.jpg.html)

The hole nearest the camera is for access to the lower deck
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070528Copy_zps08f51a26.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070528Copy_zps08f51a26.jpg.html)

Battle lanterns known as torches to most of us
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070534Copy_zpsa1c03bd2.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070534Copy_zpsa1c03bd2.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070540Copy_zps43fd564b.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070540Copy_zps43fd564b.jpg.html)

The daybed / settee goes under the chart table hence the short back rest
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070542Copy_zps45581427.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070542Copy_zps45581427.jpg.html)

Steps to bridge offered up, more work required
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070544Copy_zps106cb3a8.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070544Copy_zps106cb3a8.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Interior/P1070545Copy_zpsb9f195c0.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Interior/P1070545Copy_zpsb9f195c0.jpg.html)

Thanks for looking your comments welcome

Kev
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: radiojoe on January 07, 2015, 05:07:51 PM
Beautiful detailing Kev watching with interest. :-)) :-))
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 07, 2015, 10:15:18 PM
Yes, it is coming along great! Do not worry about the gizmology as fittings and equipment was upgraded and replaced all the time.

In the book about the Royal Sovereign class battleships, When the Sovereign was being handed over as the 'Archangelsk' the Soviet Zampolit/Commanding officers was angry because the crew had removed some equipment in the Bridge (evidenced by the holes in the walls) and they wanted to know why the British were witholding technology from them? They would not be told that the ships were updated regularly and that there would always be gaps and holes left from the old kit being removed!
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Rottweiler on January 07, 2015, 10:48:58 PM
ah but when the archangelisk was handed back they didnt remove the rats and fleas either!


Mick F
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 08, 2015, 09:35:05 AM
Or a 15 inch shell that they had left to rust into one of the tubes after a misfire!
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Rottweiler on January 08, 2015, 09:50:11 AM
Have you read this one Ballastanksian?
Mick F

Sorry Kevin,didnt mean to hijack your thread.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 10, 2015, 08:32:27 AM
Superstructure taking shape now
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070547Copy_zps84c1da0a.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070547Copy_zps84c1da0a.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070549Copy_zps70ddac4f.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070549Copy_zps70ddac4f.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070551Copy_zpsb592bfbb.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070551Copy_zpsb592bfbb.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070553Copy_zps34adfac6.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070553Copy_zps34adfac6.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070557Copy_zps89b4697f.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070557Copy_zps89b4697f.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070558Copy_zps336fba5c.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070558Copy_zps336fba5c.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070559Copy_zpsc11e5a7f.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070559Copy_zpsc11e5a7f.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070560Copy_zps36696d17.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070560Copy_zps36696d17.jpg.html)

Thanks for looking

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 10, 2015, 08:26:52 PM
Those interiors realy make the model so far!

Will start new thread about the R class battleships to return your thread to the right path.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 13, 2015, 04:50:18 PM
Well here goes todays (part) offering. I've been mucking about with the search light tower just abaft the bridge. Not only is it all angles and curves but it needs to be hollow as inside is the ford hatch to engineroom.

Seems to be going to plan . . . .
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070561Copy_zps1030fb2b.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070561Copy_zps1030fb2b.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070563Copy_zpsc2075182.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070563Copy_zpsc2075182.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070565Copy_zps44944005.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070565Copy_zps44944005.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070566Copy_zps89fbeef6.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070566Copy_zps89fbeef6.jpg.html)

Right way up with the original on the plan above
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070569Copy_zpsc7e274af.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070569Copy_zpsc7e274af.jpg.html)

Just got to persuade the curve bit to go where I want it 

Thanks for looking in

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 13, 2015, 08:54:38 PM
Two possible ways to reduce the angst and swear words when curving the bit are:

1, cut the bit off and replace it with a piece of wide tube from a variety of free sources such as tops on aerosols or similar (assuming the curved bit isn't too tall).

2, cut the bit off and replace with strips of plastic with their edges chamferred to conform to the curve and then sand smooth. If the inside can be seen then use a round ended sanding tool to smooth this off.

These processes remove the risk if breaking it or heat damage caused when using a hot air gun or hot water to soften the bit prior to bending it.

A third idea, better for making rings or similar, is to laminate thin layers of styrene sheet until you have the right thickness of plastic. Just beware of using too much cement or the sheet softens too much.

Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 13, 2015, 10:07:32 PM
Thanks for those ideas  :-))
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: steve pickstock on January 14, 2015, 07:28:36 AM
Forming the chartroom/bridge sides today. . .
It occured to me that perhaps everyone dosen't know how to scribe into the deck sheer, I fit kitchens for a living so its something I'm doing all the time cos builders can't build level or upright (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/winkgrin.gif)
So at the risk of boring you I thought I take some pics of my progress.
 
The first thing to do is level the top edge, this should be parrallel with the waterline. the way I do this is to se the boat up level i.e. in its stand. Then eye across the top to another level surface. In my case to a shelf across the workshop. In this case 1.5mm thick card at the back end was perfect.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070514Copy_zpsdd546781.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070514Copy_zpsdd546781.jpg.html)


Now using a piece of card the same thicknes pushed down onto the deck, a line can be drawn along the top.
 (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070515Copy_zps14ba1c74.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070515Copy_zps14ba1c74.jpg.html)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070516Copy_zps4d94fbde.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070516Copy_zps4d94fbde.jpg.html)


You will finish up with a line like this
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070517Copy_zpsc7239c6e.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070517Copy_zpsc7239c6e.jpg.html)
Having reduced the side to the line you may find your level but have to fine tune the line or indeed just lower the side. In this instance I would use a thin piece of card or a thick pencil.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070518Copy_zps6407cbfa.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070518Copy_zps6407cbfa.jpg.html)


Dont forget to check across the boat as well
 (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070520Copy_zps9a428a47.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070520Copy_zps9a428a47.jpg.html)
You can see the shelf in the background.
 
The finished piece
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070522Copy_zps7a4f74da.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070522Copy_zps7a4f74da.jpg.html)


Don't despair if your result are not perfect, mant craft had a plate 4/6" high around the bottom edge to secure the superstructure.
In this case both sides were the same, nice one Christian (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/goodjob.gif)
 So ends todays lesson lol, hope someone found it useful (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/winkgrin.gif)


longshanks

God bless you and keep you sir, and may angels guide you to your rest tonight. Many thanks for this. I received one of these hulls for Christmas - mine will be a sailing model, and this will be extremely useful, thanks.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 14, 2015, 11:33:29 AM
Hi Steve,
You are most welcome, Iím happy that even if I have only been able to help one person itís been worth the effort.
Feel free to PM if you need any assistance, even if the blog is withdrawn. I wish you luck with your endeavours.

I must admit to being a little disappointed in the feedback, possibly due to the fact that
A    Itís not R/C, impossible considering what Iím trying to do
B   The purists hate the fact that Iím using plastic for which I make no apologies. It will give me the finish required at this scale. Itís easier and more practical to work with. I am using components as small 0.28 x 0.56mm, not realistically possible in wood.

Just my opinion
longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: steve pickstock on January 14, 2015, 11:39:32 AM
I have often found the feedback on these things is often less than you would expect.

Do you have a link to where you got your clamps from?

Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Rottweiler on January 14, 2015, 12:31:12 PM
Hi Kevin,
I dont think the lack of feedback is anything to do with the two reasons you have stated. I and I am sure a lot of others,have been amazed at what you have been achieving in this thread,and I for one really dont think I can comment on each of your sections of build.The way you are presenting the thread is brilliant,and you can be sure a whole lot of people are learning from it,so dont be disheartened please!
I have just checked at the top of this page, that your superb build has been seen by almost 2,000 members,and you have added a lot more to your build since then.
Rest assured my friend, you have a lot of admirers out there. As a bodger with no skills myself, I can only admire in amazement the 1st class work you are putting into this,and I was only joking when I said will it float!
Sincerely
Mick F
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: MTB Hulls on January 14, 2015, 02:08:39 PM
I am in awe of your detailing and fine work, I am proud and feel honoured beyond all reason that one of my little hulls is receiving this level of attention from an undoubted master of his hobby. Please keep it coming as I love every minute  :-)) :-)) :-)) 
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 14, 2015, 10:08:45 PM
It happens on most forums and I have observed it to be a case of:

Most of the work here is of such a quality that there is little to critique constructively on and so to do so might be seen as churlish/picky, while forty versions of 'That is great!', or 'Brilliant!' does nothing but make the builder feel warm and fuzzy.

Or, the people who make suggestions have beaten several other members who also thought of that idea and so did not feel it worth repeating.

In clubs and on Forums, the number of active members are outweighed by those who are perfectly happy (and within their rights) to recieve the club newsletter or, in the case of forums, just browse.

I once belonged to a wargames forum that included the ability to award 'Kudos' points in your message, but after a couple of years, you would get literally dozens of responses to people's posts showing work in progress or finished work with just 'Plus 1' or 'Kudos points to you sir' etc.

It was discontinued in a second regeneration of the forum as it was just crap. few concise responses were better than loads of lazy titbits.

Some people do not like to critique another's work for fear of being seen as disparaging. I try and respond positivly and sincerely to a person's progress every so often as saying 'that's great to say you filing a burr off is pointless, but looking at say four day's work including the building of a frame and detailing the interior of a cabin can also generate a question or thought about an idea to help that generates further discussion.

Not that it my place to tell people how to correspond in a thread!! Enjoy your project Longshanks, as I am sure there are loads of people looking and learning and being enthused seeing what you are doing.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on January 14, 2015, 10:37:27 PM
Hi Kevin,
I don't think the lack of feedback is anything to do with the two reasons you have stated. I and I am sure a lot of others,have been amazed at what you have been achieving in this thread,and I for one really don't think I can comment on each of your sections of build.The way you are presenting the thread is brilliant,and you can be sure a whole lot of people are learning from it,so don't be disheartened please!
I have just checked at the top of this page, that your superb build has been seen by almost 2,000 members,and you have added a lot more to your build since then.
Rest assured my friend, you have a lot of admirers out there. As a bodger with no skills myself, I can only admire in amazement the 1st class work you are putting into this, and I was only joking when I said will it float!
Sincerely
Mick F

As Mick says a lot are watching and Learning, for instance how many are aware of scribing, good illustration, or how to detail from plans.
There are a lot out there who simply cannot read a plan, for some it comes easy, Practical illustrative examples explain it far simply.
As for static models the techniques are basically the same. I have static models built from the box, no detailing, don't know how.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 15, 2015, 10:08:23 AM
Thank you Gentlemen for your words of wisdom.

Mick, whatever level we are at we all try to improve. What you do for the RNLI with your model boats is truly awesome.

Christian, the sign on my shed says I'm an apprentice  ok2
Your words mean a great deal as I've followed your work for years and you are the inspiration behind my work.

Steve, the clamps / hair clips
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50x-DOUBLE-PRONG-ALLIGATOR-HAIR-CLIPS-4-5cm-UK-SELLER-/261695887674?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Hair_Care_Brushes_Combs_PP&hash=item3cee4a593a

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ALLIGATOR-HAIR-TEETH-CLIPS-45MM-FOR-BOWS-BARRETTE-SILVER-METAL-CROCODILE/390665950873?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3D1c1f783a0db74412a5acc98b9bf8ac55%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D20131017132637%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D390665950873

Cheers longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 15, 2015, 10:19:44 AM
Search light platform completed, a total of 38 pieces have gone into this! Out of interest does anyone know how pieces there are in the Airfix 1/72 Spitfire?

Completed the framing
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070571Copy_zps0a1beecd.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070571Copy_zps0a1beecd.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070575Copy_zps7f7ec494.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070575Copy_zps7f7ec494.jpg.html)

ballastanksian,I used a combination of your suggestions. Preformed the curved panel by taping it around a slightly smaller diameter tube an inserted it into boiled water for a couple of minutes. Smaller tube 'cos it always springs back slightly. I then laminated two pieces in situ.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070577Copy_zps9bc20ce6.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070577Copy_zps9bc20ce6.jpg.html)

Happy Days!
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070592Copy_zpsa171b511.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070592Copy_zpsa171b511.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070594Copy_zps3890d5b6.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070594Copy_zps3890d5b6.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070590Copy_zps622dc3ac.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070590Copy_zps622dc3ac.jpg.html)

As far as I can see there is no door on the rear of the structure
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070588Copy_zps92592ee4.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070588Copy_zps92592ee4.jpg.html)

Thanks for stopping by

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: MTB Hulls on January 15, 2015, 10:27:09 AM

looks perfect, this picture shows a little peep inside;


http://cfv.org.uk/forum/download/file.php?id=485&mode=view




Supermarine Spitfire MkIa: L127 x W156 - Pieces 36
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 15, 2015, 09:35:14 PM
Looking at the image, there seems to be hinge detail near the top of the 'door frame' but no door unless it opens inwards? But then I do not see a handle either. Interesting. There is a bit of detail in the top right corner though.

I am glad the idea worked. I hate curving plastic so am always impressed when seeing other people's work that looks tidy.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: steve pickstock on January 15, 2015, 10:08:56 PM
I think there is a door, it's all the way inside and behind rhe seated operatur.

Thanks for the link, ordered some.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 15, 2015, 10:12:45 PM
Christian, thanks for that buddy, lots of interesting detail visible in the area.

ballastanksian, think the detail top right is attached to frame on outside. The plans show a watertight hatch in the deck which I suspect the guy lower left is going down. Given the hatch I think it unlikely there would be a door.

Always handy to have a second interpretation of a pic,

longshanks

PS Thanks Steve, see above
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on January 15, 2015, 11:40:25 PM
For what it is worth seems to me the two guys "inside" are not going anywhere but are either repairing or gauging the extent of the battle damage on the inside. The photo is captioned "damage".
It is also possible that the "door" is gone, battle damage, as it looks like the remains of a door stile and hinge at the top, opening inwards but hey I am no sailor just looking at the pic.
Enlarging the photo may clarify more details.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: TailUK on January 16, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
Looking at the image, ther seems to be hinge detail near the top of the 'door frame' but no door unless it opens inwards? But then I do not see a handle either. Interesting. There is a bit of detail in the top right corner though.

I am glad the idea worked. I hate curving plastic so am always impressed when seeing other people's work that looks tidy.
At the risk of being contary the door is visible but not obvious.  It's almost edge on to the camera, swung past the wall line.  You can see the door knob just visible against the standing sailor in the background, just below his belt line.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Netleyned on January 16, 2015, 10:01:53 AM
At the risk of being contary the door is visible but not obvious.  It's almost edge on to the camera, swung past the wall line.  You can see the door knob just visible against the standing sailor in the background, just below his belt line.


That's exactly how it looks to me.


Ned
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: TailUK on January 16, 2015, 12:07:33 PM
Here's a blow up.  The door is pretty clear now also visible inside the cabin is a brass Pyrene type fire extinguisher.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 16, 2015, 01:29:58 PM
Nice one guys !

You've convinced me there is a door with the added bonus of identifying the fire extinguisher.

Thanks longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 17, 2015, 08:15:43 PM
I've been working on the bridge sponsons, these are the mounting points for twin Vickers K guns. Not been looking forward to this as it has to be cut accurately or it was going to be a mess

Four formers to be made for each side . . . cunning plan.
Cut one to correct size/shape and super glued three roughly cut to it
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070596Copy_zpsf37c7625.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070596Copy_zpsf37c7625.jpg.html)

Then clamped with the master edge level with the face of my new 'thingy bob' aquired at Telford from Squires
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070598Copy_zps0b419746.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070598Copy_zps0b419746.jpg.html)

Then sanded to the face of thingy
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070600Copy_zps0005b940.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070600Copy_zps0005b940.jpg.html)

Rotate until all edges done and you have four pieces the same size and square. Slide a blade between and the glue cracks off.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070601Copy_zpsc6e042dc.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070601Copy_zpsc6e042dc.jpg.html)

Full pic of thingy. Don't know how I managed without one, brilliant for holding small pieces whilst working on them i.e. filing edges of photo etch
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070599Copy_zpsdd11b824.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070599Copy_zpsdd11b824.jpg.html)

Aplogises to those who already are aware of this method but it worked so well I had to share it.

More to follow

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 18, 2015, 10:01:21 AM
Part two of the sponsons
 Frame work to hold everything rigid and square
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070602Copy_zpsa26d322e.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070602Copy_zpsa26d322e.jpg.html)


Attaching front and side
 (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070604Copy_zpsc6dcbca1.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070604Copy_zpsc6dcbca1.jpg.html)


(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070605Copy_zpsdc3bce3e.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070605Copy_zpsdc3bce3e.jpg.html)


First web, for strength I left it whole to fit/glue
 (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070610Copy_zpsb721b312.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070610Copy_zpsb721b312.jpg.html)


Once set, I removed the centre having partialy cut through before fixing
 (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070610Copy_zpsb721b312.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070610Copy_zpsb721b312.jpg.html)


First one finished and glued in situ
 (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070612Copy_zpsac3145bb.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070612Copy_zpsac3145bb.jpg.html)


(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070613Copy_zpsb962b6c3.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070613Copy_zpsb962b6c3.jpg.html)


Sides and front left long to scribe to deck
 (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070614Copy_zpsb788687d.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070614Copy_zpsb788687d.jpg.html)


(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070615Copy_zps2cc66453.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070615Copy_zps2cc66453.jpg.html)


Thanks for stopping by


longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: radiojoe on January 18, 2015, 10:21:19 AM
Hi Longshanks,
Some very nice styrene work there, I know how fiddly this can be so can appreciate what it takes to achieve just a small part, some of the finest boats I've seen have been static models, and I can see even at this stage yours is going to be a very interesting model. :-))
Joe
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 19, 2015, 11:08:40 PM
Hi Joe,
Thanks for your kind comments  :-))
As you say fiddling with some of the small plastic bits can be a pain. I was recently put onto 'Tamiya Thin' having used Plasweld for years, far superior to work with and I thoroughly  recommend it.

Just a small update tonight, couldn't resist setting up the Vickers K guns. Started with Coastal Craft guns which I must say are very good.
P1070620Copy_zps42a0baef.jpg
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070620Copy_zps42a0baef.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070620Copy_zps42a0baef.jpg.html)

Although they come with mounting brackets which are fine I decided to make my own which I feel are more prototypical
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070621Copy_zps3fa33631.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070621Copy_zps3fa33631.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070622Copy_zpsceeec0f8.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070622Copy_zpsceeec0f8.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070623Copy_zps5ecb72bb.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070623Copy_zps5ecb72bb.jpg.html)

Cheers longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 20, 2015, 09:31:05 AM
Lovely weapons! They do make a model I think do K guns, your work and SAS jeeps are cases in point.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 20, 2015, 01:41:55 PM
Hadn't thought of that, these guns would be great for anyone modelling the LRDG in 1/72
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 22, 2015, 06:45:18 PM
An update on D,
Doesn't seem a lot but there is a fair bit of work there

Chart table and furniture added
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070624Copy_zps0622237d.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070624Copy_zps0622237d.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070625Copy_zpsc72a9d7b.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070625Copy_zpsc72a9d7b.jpg.html)

and yes I managed to scratch the side table but they are going to be in and out a few times yet
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070626Copy_zps09a4f111.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070626Copy_zps09a4f111.jpg.html)

Stbd. sponson made and secured but yet to be cleaned up. Fair bit of work yet in this area, there is a small chart area/box set in/through the bulkhead in front of the sponson.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070627Copy_zps3482527d.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070627Copy_zps3482527d.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070628Copy_zps266436ab.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070628Copy_zps266436ab.jpg.html)

Thanks for looking

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 22, 2015, 09:54:51 PM
Splendid progress, those sponsons are lovely.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 25, 2015, 04:58:51 PM
Thanks ballastanksian

Managed to get the bridge chart table / box sorted

Started by cutting out side wall after adding additional horizontal and vertical stiffeners
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070631Copy_zps45119930.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070631Copy_zps45119930.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070632Copy_zpsff8b0084.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070632Copy_zpsff8b0084.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070633Copy_zps16024080.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070633Copy_zps16024080.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070634Copy_zpse78a84f8.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070634Copy_zpse78a84f8.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070635Copy_zpsfbddae3a.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070635Copy_zpsfbddae3a.jpg.html)

Anyone got any charts of Bastia / Corsica  %)

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 25, 2015, 05:26:31 PM
There must be something online where you can go and obtain a map. Otherwise print out a google map of the area and manipulate it perhaps?
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Netleyned on January 25, 2015, 05:51:40 PM
There must be something online where you can go and obtain a map. Otherwise print out a google map of the area and manipulate it perhaps?

Don't think you can get Google charts yet %%

Ned
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: radiojoe on January 25, 2015, 06:50:53 PM
Hi Longshanks
Here's a chart off Corsica, only a thumbnail but may be big enough for what you want.   {-) I used a thumbnail chart of the western approaches that is now laying on the chart table of HMS Enigma.  %%
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: CJ1 on January 25, 2015, 07:03:32 PM
Any Good?
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Netleyned on January 25, 2015, 07:25:41 PM
Don't forget that metric charts were not around when these vessels were.
The black and white charts are what the ships would have.

Ned
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 25, 2015, 08:07:59 PM
If the one you want is in colour then just set it to Monotone and size it right.

Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: MTB Hulls on January 25, 2015, 08:09:33 PM
Admiralty chart for Northern and Eastern Corsican ports;




set to print in b&w?
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Netleyned on January 25, 2015, 08:32:24 PM
A metric chart in black and white is still metric.
Not feet and fathoms.

Ned
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: MTB Hulls on January 25, 2015, 08:38:58 PM
Quite right, although once printed to 1/72nd scale not noticeable.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 25, 2015, 10:50:04 PM
Don't you just love the 'Mayhem'

A throw away remark this afternoon about charts .  .  .   .
and this evening I have a collection of port and general area, awesome!

I used the imperial black & white charts but I'm quite happy to convert the metric ones to black & white.
I believe the full size charts are A0 = 841 x 1189mm / 72 = 12 x 16
I suspect the Fairmile boats were using half size A2 = 420 x 594 / 72 = 6 x 8mm , I think I'll be able to get away with that  ok2

Thanks again for your support

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: spooksgone on January 26, 2015, 06:49:41 AM
22 parts to a 1/72nd Airfix Spitfire, excluding transfers? oopps, decals I mean.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 27, 2015, 04:41:11 PM
I was struggling to make the angled frames for the front of the chartroom, so I thought I'd try laminating them. Used 1.09 x .56 plus 1.09 x 0.28mm

Hope these pics show my method. first but joined the first layer
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070637Copy_zpsf8231242.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070637Copy_zpsf8231242.jpg.html)

Then overlaid second layer making sure it covered the joint
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070639Copy_zpsfd2f23da.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070639Copy_zpsfd2f23da.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070640Copy_zps7b536c12.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070640Copy_zps7b536c12.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070641Copy_zpsc56a19e5.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070641Copy_zpsc56a19e5.jpg.html)

I'm pleased with the results and its surprising how strong they are
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070642Copy_zpsc9f0f32b.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070642Copy_zpsc9f0f32b.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070643Copy_zpsc7e14e7a.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070643Copy_zpsc7e14e7a.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070644Copy_zps1d3039a9.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070644Copy_zps1d3039a9.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070645Copy_zpse3e60f30.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070645Copy_zpse3e60f30.jpg.html)

Thanks for looking

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: MTB Hulls on January 27, 2015, 05:08:29 PM
That looks spot-on  :-)  the chartroom windows can make or break a dogboat build
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: radiojoe on January 27, 2015, 06:39:39 PM
With all that detail it actually looks larger than it is, until you look at the steel rule, lovely work  :-))
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 27, 2015, 07:32:36 PM
They will be much stronger than simple butt joints, which will be a good thing for when moving the boat about.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 28, 2015, 09:40:04 PM
Thanks guys,

I need your help I have a problem  O0

Looking at the front of the chartroom, the dimensions of which were taken off plans I noticed that it differed some what from the pic of 658

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/Capture2a_zps35d25d3f.png) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/Capture2a_zps35d25d3f.png.html)

As you can see the centre front lower panel is not as high as I have portrayed. The question for the more knowledgeable / sharp eyed amongst you.
Is the joint between the top and bottom panels level or is the centre panel slightly higher leaving the joint at the sides to angle down slightly?

I've got it wrong once it would be good to get it right second time around, I would appreciate your views . . .

Cheers longshanks

Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: MTB Hulls on January 28, 2015, 09:43:59 PM
level
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 28, 2015, 10:08:04 PM
Thanks Christian  :-))

Not much doubt there . . .

Is that one of the Air Sea Rescue boats?

Cheers
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: MTB Hulls on January 28, 2015, 10:20:50 PM
That's right, known as LRRCs, (Long Range Rescue Craft).
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: gra2 on January 29, 2015, 08:22:30 AM
Hi Christian,

Have you any more photos of the LRRC.
I am using your hull to make boat 040.

I will be starting a thread on Mayhem soon.

Sorry to intrude Longshanks.

Graham
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: gra2 on January 29, 2015, 08:29:42 AM
Sorry Longshanks forgot to  say a very nice build.

Graham
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 29, 2015, 07:54:59 PM
Your welcome Graham, I seem to remember you made a fine 1/24 Fairmile D

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 30, 2015, 03:59:52 PM
Mk 2 or Oh bu**er should have checked all my references  :((

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070646Copy_zps76c30213.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070646Copy_zps76c30213.jpg.html)

Re constructive surgery commences
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070647Copy_zps4897789b.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070647Copy_zps4897789b.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070648Copy_zps9b6e9ccc.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070648Copy_zps9b6e9ccc.jpg.html)

Building up, looks a mess now but should clean up OK
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070650Copy_zps2d06ca5d.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070650Copy_zps2d06ca5d.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070651Copy_zps662df2ae.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070651Copy_zps662df2ae.jpg.html)

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: radiojoe on January 30, 2015, 04:23:09 PM
Filler and paint who's going to know, well apart from all of us that is.  %% %% {-) {-)
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on January 30, 2015, 08:56:21 PM
Is blackmail allowed on the MBM forum? {:-{
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on January 30, 2015, 10:16:16 PM
Lol  :-))
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on February 03, 2015, 02:31:17 PM
On to Mark 3 of the chartroom windows  <:(

I decided the chartroom windows weren't deep enough and the corners needed a larger radius plus the centre roof line wasn't high enough.

Planted a 1mm strip on the top to gain height and give me room to recut the windows (in situ a job I wasn't looking forward to).
Last one! Thought I'd take a picture in case it went in the bin . . . . .
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070657Copy_zps15b6e18b.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070657Copy_zps15b6e18b.jpg.html)

The finished item
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070658Copy_zps899ec3f1.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070658Copy_zps899ec3f1.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070659Copy_zps888542aa.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070659Copy_zps888542aa.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070660Copy_zps4cde55a6.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070660Copy_zps4cde55a6.jpg.html)

Well pleased, now its on with the roof

Thanks for stopping by
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: TugCowboy on February 03, 2015, 02:46:46 PM
The windows look fantastic. Perseverence well and truly paid off.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: MTB Hulls on February 03, 2015, 04:08:32 PM
Looks super  :-))
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on February 03, 2015, 07:09:52 PM
I hate radiused corners as they are so finicky. Too much and you and up with mouse ears, or too little, and you have corniced corners. An excellent recovery!
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Sandy on February 03, 2015, 08:52:32 PM
Hi,

Looks great but are you sure that D boats had doors on both sides of the wheelhouse?

I thought they only had one, on the starboard side?

All the best
Sandy
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on February 03, 2015, 11:02:33 PM
Thanks for the comments guys

Sandy, Thanks for your input. I'm working from two sets of plans and both show door on stbd side only but......
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/Captured_zpsdb5e6593.png) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/Captured_zpsdb5e6593.png.html)
You can see from the pennant number that its not a reversed negative, these boats were built in numerous shipyards and I guess there were variations.

It could also be a ' Med ' modification if you look at the pic in the start of this build the boat behind also had a door on the port side.
Another local mod was the removal of the twin 0.5" gun tubs replaced by a 20mm Oerlikon. One of the boats, the number escapes me had twin Oerlikons either side of the chartroom.

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on February 04, 2015, 01:01:23 PM
Crikey finished the chartroom roof already
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070667Copy_zps5b2624c5.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070667Copy_zps5b2624c5.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070663Copy_zpsc10a9a2d.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070663Copy_zpsc10a9a2d.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070664Copy_zps67b30120.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070664Copy_zps67b30120.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070665Copy_zpsc95714e3.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070665Copy_zpsc95714e3.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070666Copy_zpsd0eb55de.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070666Copy_zpsd0eb55de.jpg.html)

Does make life easier when you don't build it three times.

I need to pick the brains of the 'Old Seafarers', swing that lamp  ;)
When I was at sea I seem to remember we had a barometer that was long and thin on gimbals and set in a box on the wall. Am I imaging things, can't seem to find any pics?

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Rottweiler on February 04, 2015, 01:42:38 PM
similar to these  Kevin?
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: MTB Hulls on February 04, 2015, 02:01:30 PM
Clever the way you have braced the roof so you can leave it unbonded until after painting to make the window glazing easier  :-)
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: radiojoe on February 04, 2015, 05:33:15 PM
Nice going Longshanks, certainly looks like the photo now.  :-))
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Sandy on February 04, 2015, 06:20:23 PM
Interesting.

675 had a door on the port side as well and she was used in home waters for carrying Chariots.

Looking good  :-))

Thanks for the comments guys

Sandy, Thanks for your input. I'm working from two sets of plans and both show door on stbd side only but......

You can see from the pennant number that its not a reversed negative, these boats were built in numerous shipyards and I guess there were variations.

It could also be a ' Med ' modification if you look at the pic in the start of this build the boat behind also had a door on the port side.
Another local mod was the removal of the twin 0.5" gun tubs replaced by a 20mm Oerlikon. One of the boats, the number escapes me had twin Oerlikons either side of the chartroom.

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on February 04, 2015, 09:49:50 PM
There were variations in every vessel  of a class it seems so do not worry. Also, equipment supplies probably dictated what went in a particular ship as well, so any of the barometers would be viable. Marshall ney and Marshall Soult (Big gun Monitors) each had a different Diesel engine though built at the same time. Ney had a MAN Diesel and Soult a Vickers engine. 
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on February 04, 2015, 11:49:55 PM
Thanks Guys,

Mick the second picture looks something like it but . . . . not as I recall. Age is a terrible thing  :((

Christian, well spotted! Plus I still want to add some interior detail.

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on February 09, 2015, 05:00:28 PM
Well I've spent three days detailing the wheelhouse, amazing how long the little bits take
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070679Copy_zpsee31acb1.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070679Copy_zpsee31acb1.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070680Copy_zps00e5d6dc.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070680Copy_zps00e5d6dc.jpg.html)

Charts courtesy of Mayhem. One is metric and one imperial  ok2
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070683Copy_zps1739e85e.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070683Copy_zps1739e85e.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070678Copy_zps73245dad.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070678Copy_zps73245dad.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070685Copy_zps0c503e91.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070685Copy_zps0c503e91.jpg.html)

and of course lights
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070687Copy_zps098e72ae.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070687Copy_zps098e72ae.jpg.html)

and before anyone asks the parralel rules, dividers, urn & lights do not work, do you think I'm daft? Please don't fell obliged to answer that question  <*<

Thank you for visiting me
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: radiojoe on February 09, 2015, 06:47:34 PM
Ho come on Longshanks, you mean there's no tea in that urn shame on you  {-) {-)  joking aside that is really delightful detailing work, well done mate  :-))
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on February 09, 2015, 08:41:36 PM
Yes, the attention to detail is praise worthy. I think you would win an award if you entered that boat into a competition. I was thinking that you had ommitted biscuits by the Urn and Mug!
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on February 10, 2015, 12:22:20 PM
Thanks Guys,

Look again, blue and white enamel mug just in front of boiler  %)
Could do with making some more but at 1mm dia by 1.4mm high the handle was a right bu***r

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on February 10, 2015, 09:25:35 PM
I bet, definitly tweezer time for that job!
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on February 13, 2015, 10:42:33 PM
I thought for a bit of light relief I would put together the Great Little Ships 20mm Oerlikon :hmmm:

The detail is fantastic, barrels not even cleaned up
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/20mm/P1070671Copy_zps1b9e0e8f.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/20mm/P1070671Copy_zps1b9e0e8f.jpg.html)

Three pieces of etch make up the carrige each side
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/20mm/P1070693Copy_zps3de03a76.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/20mm/P1070693Copy_zps3de03a76.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/20mm/P1070694Copy_zps6e0e47f5.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/20mm/P1070694Copy_zps6e0e47f5.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/20mm/P1070695Copy_zps2912c3f5.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/20mm/P1070695Copy_zps2912c3f5.jpg.html)

Two pieces to make up the shield
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/20mm/P1070696Copy_zps9dbb1b9b.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/20mm/P1070696Copy_zps9dbb1b9b.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/20mm/P1070697Copy_zps5096b28f.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/20mm/P1070697Copy_zps5096b28f.jpg.html)

Happy Days
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/20mm/P1070701Copy_zps1972d9ed.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/20mm/P1070701Copy_zps1972d9ed.jpg.html)

(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/20mm/P1070702Copy_zps1b8e50c6.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/20mm/P1070702Copy_zps1b8e50c6.jpg.html)

Then a BIG black cloud covers the sun! I think you'll agree the above parts are rather tasty but some one put a lump of white metal in from another kit.
The deformed object is supposed to be a magazine, you even get etched front and back plates - shame they don't fit . . . .
The piece on the right is my progress so far in making the correct shape
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/20mm/P1070700Copy_zpse8e7608f.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/20mm/P1070700Copy_zpse8e7608f.jpg.html)

Can you spot the difference ?  ok2
I guess I'll try and make a master and cast some replacements, so 'after market' for 'after market'
Ok rant over, normal service will be resumed after a dispose of a rather nice bottle of red . . . .

Thanks for looking in

longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on February 14, 2015, 06:48:27 PM
Metal or resin casts?

Those Oerlikon barrels are very crisp, but cannot for the life of me understand how the magazine body is so poor? It just does not make sense unless the barrel was made by one person who forgot to make the magazine, and the comissionee thought he would make it to save time, but is not the best plastic whittler?:O)

Still, the etched ends are a delight.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: radiojoe on February 14, 2015, 07:11:33 PM
That's going to look rather nice when finished, it's quite refreshing when we get good quality fittings at the smaller scales, it has to be said there is some tat about.  :-))
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: dodes on February 14, 2015, 10:01:59 PM
With reference to the Med boats and their weapons, remember reading a good book on them called Flag 4, in the book it was stated that a lot of the boats ditched their issued weapons and fitted captured Italian guns when they could, but as previously mentioned used their initiative to beg steal better weapon systems.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on February 15, 2015, 05:59:46 PM
That is one excellent book! I can reccomend Sand on the sea as well to do with the LRDG and/or SBS with their caiques in the Agean doing stirling stuff.

Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on March 01, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Finaly found the time/patience to make a bit more progress

Been struggling with soldering up hand rails on the searchlight platform.
As good as I'm going to get
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070748%20Copy_zpsrx5m9ibj.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070748%20Copy_zpsrx5m9ibj.jpg.html)


(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070749%20Copy_zpsgovxrl1n.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070749%20Copy_zpsgovxrl1n.jpg.html)


Followed by splinter padding, anyone know what they were stuffed with?
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070750%20Copy_zpszlw2kw1y.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070750%20Copy_zpszlw2kw1y.jpg.html)


(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070751%20Copy_zpsjfh9lmus.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070751%20Copy_zpsjfh9lmus.jpg.html)


(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070752%20Copy_zpsbshgf8qc.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070752%20Copy_zpsbshgf8qc.jpg.html)


(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b496/longshanks8/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070753%20Copy_zpsklzngacz.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/longshanks8/media/MGB65/Superstructure/P1070753%20Copy_zpsklzngacz.jpg.html)


Still need to lace up the corners but need to  find something thin enough! Bear in mind the loops are formed from 0.15 wire . ..



Thanks for looking in


longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: steve pickstock on March 02, 2015, 05:00:02 AM
Kapoc?
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: radiojoe on March 02, 2015, 12:30:57 PM
I do like the splinter pads, have you tried solder paste, I find it so much easier the paste helps hold small wire pieces in place and just a flash of heat and jobs done, even I can solder with it  %% %%
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: spooksgone on March 02, 2015, 02:57:48 PM
Hi Longshanks. How about thin fishing line for the lace? I can pull some off one of my reels and post it to you if you like?
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: Rottweiler on March 02, 2015, 03:04:19 PM
Kevin,Im a bit nearer for fishing line! If you like SPOOKS suggestion,and he doesnt mind, let me know what size and I will drop some down to Jen?
Mick F
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: TailUK on March 02, 2015, 05:31:47 PM
From what I've read Anti Splinter mats were made from Coir.  A coarse woven fabric originally used to cover decks to make them less slippery or protect the deck timbers.  Steel decks were often treated with an anti slip compound and didn't require mats.  The splinter mats were made using several layers of Coir stitched through and covered with painted canvas to make them waterproof.  I should imagine the effect was something similar to a Futon type mattress.  Coir was used because it's almost as strong as hemp matting but a lot lighter.  It also floats which gave the matting a double use as it could double up for life preservers.  It was clear that anti splinter matting was exactly that, it wasn't designed to be "bulletproof" but was intended to stop shrapnel and flying debris.
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: longshanks on March 02, 2015, 08:46:00 PM
Thanks for the interest . . .
Steve, I had it in my mind that it was kapok but I guess coir would have much the same effect, primarily physiological !! Good point about it floating tailuk.


Thanks for the suggestion about fishing line, does it go down to 0.1mm


Cheers longshanks
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: ballastanksian on March 02, 2015, 09:00:51 PM
When I start the brass work on my models I am going to go straight for Solder paste as it seems that while more expensive than normal solders, it benefits from being appliable in measurable amounts and that will save wasted solder. Also, it seems to need less heat saving gas/electricity. It also can be used to hold small bits in place as Joe says saving the cack handedness of shaking hands or an inadvertant fidget just as you start to solder.

Those railings look good all the same, you have the knack of solder!
Title: Re: MGB658 Fairmile D @ 1/72
Post by: steve pickstock on March 02, 2015, 10:15:35 PM
I agree it probably was coir in the splinter mats. But just a point about kapoc it was used in bouyancy aids - a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away when I was a young boy scout, our life preservers were filled with kapoc, and we were told to keep our hands across our chests when we went into the water to stop the damned things flipping up and smashing us in the face!