Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: Howard on January 25, 2015, 01:11:25 am
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Hi Gents,
I have just started making a model of the SD14 its build in 0.7mm card and will be over 7ft long when built at the moment I've made the bow section double bottom tanks and the midship bottom shell plates it's like building the real ship but in card and not steel scale is 1:70 close to 5 thousand bits to cut out and think it may take about three or four years to do, am going to make her sailable and radio controlled I would just like to say that a member on here called Carlmt has so far giving me some very good help as he, and his father made one a few years back would any one be interested in me doing a build thread on here but as I say it could be a few years in the making,plus I'll have to work out how to post photos up as I've never done that before.
Regards Howard.
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(http://www.marcle.co.uk/SD141.JPG)
http://www.marcle.co.uk/sd14.htm
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Just start a topic about it in the Working Vessels section. Add your photos and brief description of what you've done or problems you have found as you go. If it drops off the page between your posts just do a search for your topic title and add more as and when you come to it.
Most people like to finish a boat in reasonable time, but reasonable depends on size and amount of detail you are aiming at. I've finished my sailing trawler in about 15 months. I've now embarked on my anchor handler, I want that done in about 6 months if possible. I'm also starting a scratch built card model, that I don't want to take more than a couple of weeks. If it takes you four years then so it does, no problem this forum will still be here.
But I think you'll find that once you start time will fly by and you'll possibly finish it in half the time- either that or the job will be so immense you put it to one side and never complete it {-) {-)
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Howard - I find the best way to post up photos is via a hosting site such as Photobucket. The photos are then 'linked' to the site as opposed to sitting directly on it. You have to be careful to keep them on the PB site and not move them anywhere otherwise the link is broken and the photo doesnt show up.
If you find that you are having difficulty in this, email me the photos and I will host them and pop them up for you.
Really looking forward to seeing this one come together :-)) :-)) - would be great to have both r/c SD14's sailing together!!!
Carl
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Hi Howard.
That's some large job you have took on good luck with the build, these are some photos of San George SD14 at 1.32 scale, the ship is
at Balne Moor mbc. We Tow her on tug towing events, you are welcome to come along and have a look round the model. The model
was launched at Wirral m.b.c with about 8 tugs in attendance what a great day.
John
POLL
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Again.
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Hi Thanks Poll,
yes I have seen her a few times on here, I must admit It did cross my mind to double every thing thought better of it who knows after this I might just be mad enough to do another one at 1:32 scale if am still around by then am ready getting a lot of help from Carl, so will stick to this little one for now.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Howard.
had this in the files any use .
http://www.ukpapermodels.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=416
frank
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Hi Frank,
yes had it in favorites for ages that and carmt on here are the ones that grapped my interest.
but thanks anyway.
Regards Howard.
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Evening all!!
Howard has asked that I upload some shots of the progress on his SD14....
It's certainly coming along Howard. Having been there and got the tee-shirt, I can vouch that it can be either a soul destroying process or very theraputic to have to individually cut out hundreds of identical parts. What also has to be born in mind with this kit is that it was designed - and drawn - many years ago...long before CAD was in general use....and that each part has been hand-drawn (with drawing instruments) and that accuracy between what appear to be identical parts can be sometimes 'off'. On a model of this size and complexity checking, double checking and yet triple checking of dimensions from port side to starboard side has to be continuous to ensure a twist isnt built in.
HOWARD - one piece of advice. When it comes to joining the three sections of the double bottom together, ensure you have a long enough and rigid enough board to fix them down to. Again, to ensure that everything is straight and in line. Once the ply 'deck' has been fitted to the top of the double bottom plating, this will stiffen everything up nicely. The ply plate is needed to also spread the load of the removable balast.
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:-))
(MODS - Would one of you be so kind as to move this thread to 'Working Vessels' before it disappears under the weight of general model boating topics please? Ta!!)
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(MODS - Would one of you be so kind as to move this thread to 'Working Vessels' before it disappears under the weight of general model boating topics please? Ta!!)
What glue are you using Howard? :-))
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Thank you Carl,
Am about to buy a 8ft building board once I,ve got to double bottom floors in but before the tank top floor plates go on Ill join all three sections together then build as one from then on At the moment am building in my indoor hobby room as outside is just a bit to cool even with the heating on but more worried about the damp air outside,
Regards Howard.
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Martin, Am using Deluxe materials Roket Card Glue, not cheap but finding it very good so far but might change to bostic clear as have been told thats also good I have a stock of 5 bottles and 200 stanley blades at the ready.
Regards Howard.
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Well done Howard looking forward to following the build, not sure I would have the patience for a projected 4 year build.
When you get it on the water I would love to bring a 1/32 tug up to Goole to give it a push :-))
We will be watching with interest. Regards Chris
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Photo update from Howard :-))
Bow section - which can be very vulnerable on a predominantly card-based model - is best formed from ply and further strengthened by inserting balsa or similar blocks between the ply ribs. Once sanded to shape, this will give an excellent surface area for the hull plating to be affixed to. A similar exercise will need to be carried out at the stern.
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And at the stern will obviously be found the rudder!! %%
On our SD, this was controlled by a 'direct drive' system of mounting the rudder servo directly above the rudder stock, in the steering flat on the stern deck of the ship. It needs a powerful servo and Howard has procured such a device and is planning on using the same method of control.
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Howards%20SD14/SD220215-3_zpsb944d187.jpg)
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Thanks for that Carl,
For anyone interested the servo is a 40kg model, still cant work out how to post photos have done a search but still none the wiser.
Regards Howard.
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Rudder construction - styrene plastic for durability but the correct shape for the vessel.
The use of a square brass rod for the stock is to ensure a positive drive to the rudder and a good, solid connection with the drive servo. This stock will be housed in a brass tube of sufficient diameter to ensure a smooth action.
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Lovely work Howard :-)) O0
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Thank you Carl, praise indeed coming from the master I hope I can keep peoples interest over the time it will take as you know its no weekend build.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Chris,
Your welcome to have a try towing it whens she,s built but remember mine is a 1:70 scale build but its will have something like 120lb of lead plus battery's in her Me and Carl are planing a day together when we,ll be sailing both on the same pond at the same time now that will be a good day out.
Regards Howard.
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Lookin' good :-)) . I'll tag along.
Mark
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Howard I have the four years to build a fleet of tugs to tow her {-)
Seriously a very interesting project and I will watch with great interest. Hope to see you sometime this year in Goole.
Take care Chris
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I am seriously impressed by this. Keep the pics and info coming, I look forward to more....
Sean
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Hello Chris,
I,ve a few more photo,s to put up later I have now joined the three sections together so next few days will be spent welding opps I mean gluing the double bottom longitudinals to the shell bottom plates as I,ve spent the last few nights cutting them all out plus a few hundred slots in them ( what the hell have I started ) and been filling in the forpeak with balsa as this was made out of 0.8 mm ply so it has some strength then a filling of Ronseal resin wood filler then sanded to shape but so far am really pleased how its coming along and even enjoying it so glad you guys seam to be interested and giving my nice feed back with your committs.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Sean,
Sorry just noticed your in Lincolnshire I know its big but am North Lincolnshire, Scunthorpe are you any where near.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Howard. I had the pleasure of building one of these models about 20 years ago, they are an excellent way of understanding the fundementals of ship building, I was fortunate in so much my wife worked for a shipping company and they had one of these on their books, this made it possible to view the photographs taken on board during routine inspections.
The build more or less follows the actual ship down to the finest detail, each cabin is in situ and all the tween decks follow the correct patterns even down to the shape of the hold corrugation bulkheads, I fitted a Hectoperm motor and a 65mm prop and after a couple of coats of runny resin then painting she sailed a treat on our local pond.
Good luck with your project, I wish you many hours of pleasure building her, will she be painted after any particular owner, they were a very popular ship, but!!! It was said they would roll on wet grass such was the design.
Howard Q.
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Hi Howard,
Thank you for your reply, My wife of 41 years was born and lived in Sunderland Am from a town on the Tyne her dad was a plater at Austin & Pickersgill so helped to build a few of them but sadly died before I met him her mums flat look cross the river Wear on to the slipways of one of the yards. As for the name am looking at calling her the WELSH TRIDENT, Carlmt a member on here has giving me a great deal of help and him and his father built one and named theres the WELSH ENDEAVOUR, We are hoping one day to sail them together, I,ve bought a T12 motor from Mobile Marine Models not cheap but very good as for the prop will try and get a 68mm as that's scale size after making the hull I,ll intend to cover it in 0.4mm ply then resin and tissue and rub down main deck not sure yet hoping to do it and topsides in plastic if not then a main deck of 0.4mm ply again as for rolling working on 120,lb lead plus a few 12volt and 6volt battery's hoping to get some more photos up soon.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Howard,
I'm near Boston, so not overly far away. ok2
Any pics to show us? :-)
Sean
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Sorry Sean,
I,ve up loaded three more but still cant get to grips with it yet.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Howard - just sent you an email about Photobucket.
If you still have problems, let me know and I will pop them up for you :-))
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Progress from the shipyard - the foreman tells me that the double bottom for practically the whole ship has been laid and that more yard workers will be taken on soon!!!! :-))
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There is no need to say sorry Howard, I have a rather dry sense of humor, and my comment was most definitely tongue in cheek :-))
I will add that, as something of a novice, the idea of a cardboard boat is still something of a novelty.
I adore how the hull is coming together, and especially how much like a real ship the bits look in this state O0
If you need a pair of hands for anything, drop me a PM, I'm a total novice but looking to learn :embarrassed:
Sean
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Right Gents,
This may be my last update for a few weeks as am due to be out of action in a few weeks with a stay in hospital, any way as you can see in the last photo,s the mid section bottom needed to be done so today I have welded (glued) the double bottom longitudinals in place after cutting out something like 900 slots then I started on the mid section double bottom floors 180 plus of them now they all have to be shaped and eleven slots cut into each of them, so no time to get bored unless two men in white coats come for me first, I take some photo,s as I go along and hopefully upload them. stick with me lads am in it for the long haul.
Regards Howard.
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Cant you take the model with you into hospital, I am sure the authorities will not mind and some of the doctors can help with the delicate cutting of the pieces.
Seriously take care and hope all goes well, we will be waiting for this marathon build to continue after your full recovery.
Best regards.
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Hi chris,
I wish I could but at over seven foot it would be bigger then the bed and am left handed and it my left shoulder there going to put back together, fall of 18feet of the ladders so ended up with four snapped mussels. been told eight weeks with arm in a body sling then about four months of phisyo hope but hope to be back modelling before then.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Howard - Best of luck with the witch-doctors mate!!
Hope all gets sorted for the better......
Been extremely busy with work just lately, but I have got your latest email and will sort out the photos and post them up this evening.........lovely job on the rudder coming up!!!!
Carl
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Hi Gents,
A quick update I,ve reached a big mile stone as I have just finished cutting out the last of the double bottom floors about 350 there abouts most with a 11 slots to be cut in each so am glad to get them out of the way tomorrow I,ll finish welding ( glueing ) the the last 40 are so to the shell bottom plates and double bottom longitudinals then I can start putting the tank top plates on I,ll take some photo,s as I go end get them up for you to see.
Regards Howard.
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I sneaked into the shipyard undetected over the weekend and managed to grab a few shots of progress with the SD ;) .
The rudder construction has come along nicely. An earlier SD had a rudder driven by a square bar located as a sliding fit within a round brass tube to aid removal when needed. This was all then driven by a heavy duty servo acting directly on the rudder shaft from above.
This latest SD build was initially heading in the same direction with regard to it's rudder geometry:
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But it was clear, having slept on it, the yard Manager could see an improvement where with a small modification the rudder blade could be removed without actually having to remove the shaft as well:
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Once this idea had been trial assembled, it was a simple matter to just embed the square brass rod (thread tapped) deep in the rudder blade with the lock-nut also embedded in the top of the rudder. The blade then justs screws into place on the shaft!!!
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Not daft these ship-builders, but they do like to lie down on the job sometimes:
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Not long after, I heard the yard hound on the prowl, so I high-tailed it out of there......but I did sneak back in the next day... :-))
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As said, I managed to jump the shipyard fence on the following day when the whole workforce was in chapel......
I can see now why the Yard Manager was looking a little jaded and needed spiritual comfort (he was in the Rivet and Iron pub next door to the yard, not in chapel)......having to cut all the slots in the double bottom formers would be enough to drive any sane man to drink!!!!
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He is a diligent chap though - I overheard him muttering about the fact that the Naval Architect still hadnt sent him the GA drawings and that he was concerned that the sizing for the ventilators and other machinery was going to prove problematic. I am given to understand, as was told by the barmaid Busty Barbara, that the plans were on their way and that he wasnt to worry.
After a hearty meal, I slipped back into the yard and noticed that the morning of worship in the chapel had obviously had a motivating effect of the workforce because all the double bottom framing had been fitted:
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Light was fading so I couldnt take any more photos, but I will be back again soon ok2
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Noticed some of the workers are child labour {-) , tea girls perhaps, if not social services will be around for a little word <*< , also two appear to have canes - a visit from the HSE may also be in order {-)
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Looking good Howard! :o
What tool are you using to make the 'slot' cuts?
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Hello Martin ,
Am using a stanley blade stock of 200 and tamiya scissors as thay have a small curve in the blades which make them very helpful
Regards Howard.
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Just to clarify chaps......
This is all Howard's work. I am only assisting with posting up the photographs via photobucket as he is having difficulties in this area. I have added the 'story' to try to explain the photos as we go along - but I am sure that Howard will expand further if I have missed something.
Looking forward to the next updates :-))
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Thanks Carl, apologies Howard! :embarrassed:
Re: Cutting the slots. Are you saying you make two cuts per slot?
I thought you might be using special scissors or 2 scalpel blades fixed together... or something?
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I wish there was Martin but just one stanley knife and a pair of tamiya scissors . there only 1mm across at must should be 0.7mm to be right. I give up counting long ago. just glad you lads ar,nt getting bored as I,ve said before this is no weekend project I,ll keep posting as long as people are interested, Carl (carlmt) has been so helpful with info I cant thank him enough and all the others that have left a commit it keeps me going as this is my first build thread.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Howard still watching with interest and admiration at such a mammoth project, the mind boggles at the amount of effort that is going into this build.
I admire your commitment and will continue to watch the build progress. All the best Chris G
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Hi All,
A update at last after many hours I,ve at last managed to weld (glue) the last of the double bottom longitudinals so can now move on and put the tank top plates on and hind all the hard work and hours of slot cutting I stopped counting at 3,000 have taken some photo,s and will post soon I hope.
Regards Howard.
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Right I hope I,ll done this right,
A few more photos some of a nice little lead melting machine I bought and some of the bow now fully packed with balsa after I had replaced the card with 0.8mm ply but before sanding and shapeing, the colour pencils are kids jumbo ones to make the pillor supports instead of card ones slits have to be cut in both ends and fitted into haxy holes in the double bottom tanks and connected to centre line plates again using 0.8 mm ply and not card strengh.
Regards Howard. (http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/howard123/100_2349_zpsjnjjygxq.jpg) (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/howard123/media/100_2349_zpsjnjjygxq.jpg.html)
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Sorry guy's must of dome some thing wrong is It should of up loaded about 10 new photos not this old one will have another look.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Howard,
How is the build going? :-)
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Hello Martin,
Thank you for asking.every thing is on hold at the moment as 1/ I'm still awaiting my op which will be two years on may 3nd, 2/ we are in a rented house as sold last one and the bunglow will not be ready till end of Feb/early March so all my boat modelling gear are in storage at a friends house where there safe and not in a container then I have to set up a new hobby room and a hobby garage her in doors has been told theres no room for the car Carl/carlmt, has some more photo,s but the guys been up to the eyes with his own Ferry build but am so looking forward to getting back into it but to be honest looks like it may be late summer before am up and running again as i can just see me getting started on the hobby room and garage when the hospital says thay want me in again Martin thanks for asking.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Howard
You would seem to be having a bit of a nightmare with the OP and all associated with it. God willing and lets all hope you will be fit and well and in your new workshop soon. I have missed hearing from you of late and am glad to have this opportunity to wish you well.
We both have fond memories of your welcoming us to your Goole open day and would hope to come up again soon.
Take care and best regards Chris G
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Hi Chris,
cheers mate yes it is a nightmare, went into hospital on June 29th last for op next morning but my B,M's was 85 so he would not take the risk and sent me home but my bloods are ok now so just waiting for a letter. Not been able to get to the club for 9 months now to painful to ride the bike and to painful to change gear as its my left shoulder wife takes me when she can, Am really missing the lads and just modelling on a hole at least with the new bungalow I have no upstairs windows to clean, there's a good chance my op will be done in Goole hospital and not Scunthorpe's so some of the lads might pop in and see me. You never understand how much you enjoy model boat building till you cant do it,
You know you and your good lady are most welcome at the club anytime you want to.
Regards Howard.
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Hey Howard,
There are a lot of excellent modellers on here, with Really sharp knives and all sorts of glues..... what Op do you need?! :kiss:
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I was a very clever boy and fell 18ft when cleaning the upstairs windows and gutters Martin, fell onto a hardwood garden kissing seat which broke my fall but ended up with three broken ribs and four snapped muscles in my left shoulder and and am left totally left handed they only found out about the muscles after I complained for nine months that I could use it but most of all the pain am taking something like 350/400 pain killers plus patches a month which isn't good but just want it done so I can get back to modelling and my boat club (Goole) a great bunch of guys, You'll have to come up to one of our night sails Martin.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Guys,
Hope your ready for all this!
Well we moved out of the house and into a rented place last November so all modelling came to a stop and all my kits, plans and started models went to my mate's house in the warm and dry and modelling stuff packed up and into storage something like 90 box's her-in-doors was not impressed as that was just my hobby stuff, still we didn't get moved into the bungalow till April 20th and getting things done and keeping her happy with her jobs came first, yes pet!
Just got started on new ship yard / hobby room) when hospital said we,ll do your op now 3rd August, Great but now hand, arm out of action for 8 weeks then holiday then back a week and went down with what I thought was start of cold/flu, Wife came home and found me with a temp of 41oC. Ambulance crew said another hour and I could of died so 5 days in ICU and 3 more on a ward so after a week or so of resting up her-in-doors go's up to Sunderland as her mum had broken both hips in 9 keeps, I being a bored clever sod thought I'll take my bike out for a run charge the battery and the like, you guested it I lost control 25 miles from home and at mo am not broke any bones but very very sore and black and blue from neck to my toe's swollen left leg no skin on both knees and no sleep for ten days now so to say am pi--ed off with this year is a under-statement!
Anyway, now the good news, I've just found out where out off 200 or so box's still in the garage the one with the the SD14 is so that's coming out tomorrow so hopefully I may start a little modelling again and finish the shipyard/hobby room once am a little more able.
Really hope I havn't bored and sent you guys asleep bringing you up to date as to why i have not been keeping you all up to date with the SD14 build but I hope to start again very soon( or should I wait till this years out)
Regards Howard.
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Trial and tribulation in 2016 then Howard.... nearly 2017!
Did the model survive the move OK?
M
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Good to hear you are still out there Howard.
What a lot to go through in the past year.
Was expecting you to pay us a visitsome time,
Now I know why you didnt make it.
Hopefully things are going to get better now
you are settling in to your new home and
getting back on track.
Let me know when the Goolies
are having a do and I will come over.
Ned
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Thanks and yes Martin, 2017 cant come soon enough and tonight am about to open my sd14 box found it after only looking at about 50 box's so pleased I did,nt have to move the other 150 by the way Martin my friend is looking after the part I have already built just put me back a years so now it will maybe 2021 before it gets its bum wet but lets hope not.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Ned,
good to see your still about and sailing at Cleggy I have got over a few times with wife and grandson but sadly to late as you,ed gone and the last few lads was just about packing up, So good tonight to few and look at the SD14 box but like a told Martin maybe I,ll let 2016 pass before getting the new shipyard/hobby room finnshed and getting back up to speed.As for getting over to Goole would love to see you there Ned better still Goole Model Boat Club would love to see your club at one of our open days or better still how about the night sail next September sailing at night with all the models lite up is something special by the Ned am now a Yellow belly as we now live in Lincolnshire (Scotter) and not Scunthorpe.
Again hope to see you soon.
Regards Howard.
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Lol, just been informed A&E rung to say they relooked at my xray's and and you guessed it I've broke no8,7 and pos, no 6 ribs so 3 weeks on i now know why i ouch, but never mine that am well on the way you finishing hobby/ship yard two and hope to post some phones as soon as i can same reasons as last time ( am think and dont under stand how to do it and Carl'm is far to busy a man this time so will just have to work it out. Really looking forward to starting the SD14 again. with down sizeing to the bunglow I have so many old collections to get rid of Corgi's and plastic airplane models I like boat modelling so much better and at 62 I only have time for one, As I have hundereds far to many to photo andprice as rules state on here unless Martin and the Mod's allow as i know lots on here have more then one hobby just hate them going on flea- bay or car-boot cosh how many boat kits could I buy with the lot I wonder lol. Still guys keep watching If your still interested in the slow build of a SD 14.I'll try not and bore you all.
Regards Howard.
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I am pleased to hear that you are being mended fully and that your new mancave is nearly complete. I look forward to seeing more progress reports of your mammoth build.
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:-)) Hi Howard :-))
Really pleased to hear that you are on the mend my friend!!! No worries about helping out with the photo attachments - it would be my pleasure to assist in publicising your adventures with the SD14. Any you want adding - just send them over via email and I will sort it for you. I know I have a few here that have yet to be uploaded, so I will refresh the thread with them once Warwick Show is over - I will have a bit more time then to give it some serious attention.
Looking forward to seeing the progress soon :-))
Carl
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Hi Carl, friend at the moment I have with my e-mail mine is us so when you get a chance if you can up-load any you can and i,ll try doing my end putting them on to mayhem till i can get it solved (Bt crap) but Virgin not out here in the village. Once am a little better will take some photo,s of the new hobby/shipyard room the finishing work-top is getting done on the 30th. So looking forward to modelling again as am now about a year behind with the SD 14.
Regards Howard.
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Right Gents,
Owing to to I cant get the last bit of the shipyard/hobby room (oak work-top done till the end of the month Plus the ribs are still not knitting together and being itching to get started back modelling am going to skip forward a bit and start making some of the smaller deck fittings, like multi and may-be some hatch covers-angle fairleads, mooring winches these I would like to make in plastic or better still make one and cast them in resin,I hope to show you the results once I work out hows its done. Hope all who are still interested will hang on in as your views and comments keep me going
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I am waiting patiently Howard. I wish your ribs do knit promptly.
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Right Gents,
Im going to try making a balsa wood plug of the lifeboats then then soak them in ronseal wood hardener the reason for doing it this way am hoping to use the plug with a small vac-form machine I have bought it will mean I can make them hollow with no covers white outside yellow inside Im hoping to make a lot of the deck fitting either from resin casts or vac-formed or a bit of both I,ll take some photo's as i go and will post up once my e-mail is working again.
Regards Howard.
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Go for it Howard, you should get some good results. I did similar for my light fittings, I made a wooden plug, pinned plasticard over a similar hole then heated it up, then pushed the plug into the plasticard. With a vac form machine you should get far superior results.
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May I wish you all a very Merry Christmas and for keeping faith with my build thread normal service will soon start again shortly Hobby room/man cave is now finished only the garage work shop to sort out but plans on what I need now made I hope to upload photo's soon, Cant wait to get back modelling, More so the SD14 watch this space.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Guys,
Can anyone point me to a good photo resizing program so I can upload some photo,s as till I can finish fitting out my garage am going to start making some of the deck fittings and accommodation blocks plus navigation bridge deck, Can't read any more books must get back model making.
Regards Howard
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I Use Photobox and all you do is simply upload original pic ...when you have uploaded the pic all you need to do is to click on the picture and on the right of it you will see a box of 4 or 5 image urls...you simply hover over the bottom one and copy...them simply paste on to your mayhem post and the post your posting ...it automatically resises it and away you go ...it is hosted externally and doesnt use mayhem server space
Dave
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Hell thank you Dave that was quick I'll try it.
Regards Howard.
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Thanks Dave, it works the picture is a small lead melting machine very save and can melt 10lb, of lead in about 20/30 mins more photo's will now follow.
Regards Howard.
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The handy thing about photobox is no silly resising and not only simple to use BUT you can see what is posted not like some on here
Dave
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So sorry gent's am still not getting it right I take it I have to reply to the post then upload the photo then paste in into the reply box Ill get there I hope.
Regards Howard.
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Hi,
Gents will try tomorrow to start the funnel cut out the card bits tonight and will copy them onto plastic and take a few[size=78%] photo,s[/size]
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Hello Gents,
Just putting a few photo's of my new finished hobby/model/ship yard room just need to sort all my stored modellling stuff out and into the right place as you'll see lots of storage and nearly all the shelfing in the wardrowb slide in and out, plus TV, Computer, and mini music player.
Regards Howard
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Gosh, that is a well organised storage system. Puts my collection of old drawer units and a serious case of 'flat spaceitis' to shame.
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I do hope am doing this right as I don't seam to add them all at once, as for all the storage it will take a few weeks to sort and put things in the right place or draw as I've still get lots of box's still to open up out in the garage Plus all the Corgi stuff will not be there taking up pressure's modelling room as my daughter has told me she don't want my collection not even in her loft so am going to sell them (her loss) more boat money for me.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Guy's
Just thought I,ed show you a home made tool I use to square up and cut size my plastic card, First a stout bit of wood a off cut of kitchen work top is Ideal, I like to cover mine with some cutting mat then two steel rules set at 90 degrees with short one on top of the longer one ( I have two sizes 450mm x 300 plus a 900mm x 600mm ) a washer under the end of the shorter one which leaves a 1mm gap under it.
I also use a single edge knife to mark my cut as a pencil line at 1:72 scale works out at about 6mm, I hope this may be of help to some of you.
Regards Howard
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That's a whopper of a blade Howard! Good for sutting thick styrene I bet.
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Sut all thickets wid dat blade :}
Ned
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Hi Ballestanksian,
I don't really cut with it just score the single edge means I can press the flat side onto the rule where a double sided blade may be 1/2mm away thats may be 3 to 6mm at 1:72 scale. then I just snap it as normal.
Regards Howard.
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Ned,
Is that Cleggy speak or you is enjoying the new year %%
Regards Howard.
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LoL, after reading my last post to you Ned it looks like me who's been hitting the drink sorry mate. {:-{
Regards Howard.
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Hi Gents,
After trying to buy a ready made 1:70/72 scale Lifeboat for the SD14 but with no lucky so have bit the bullet have stared to make one my self out of card as you'll see by the photo's so far tonight I'll fill in all the gaps with balsa, sand to shape then a thin covering of ronseal wood filler sand again hope it with be ok.
It will be 115mm x40mm I have a small vac-form machine so will make a few more photo's will follow.
Regards Howard
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Is that the cover in front of the hull Howard?
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Yes that's right again card but want to vac-form them to. Thanks for taken a interest Ballastantian.
Regards Howard.
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No worries Howard, I expect lots of fellow members are following your progress.
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Hello Gents,
If I made a plastic master of a lifeboat for my SD14 can i take a vac-form copy of it with out them sticking to each other,
Your will I have to coat the master with some thing thanks for any help
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You are at risk of heating the master up as well as the plastic sheet with squeezy consequences. You might get away with it if you fill the master with plaster or similar as while the plastic would still be at risk, the plaster might support the plastic enough to minimise damage.
Then there are potential issues with undercuts if you have rails/rubbing strips added to the sides before you press your plastic. You need to think like you were designing it for casting from a sand mould, so no negative slopes or undercuts to trap the pressing onto the master.
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Thanks Ian,
Maybe after what you have said I've had a rethink going to make a silicon mould cast it in resin then use that to get a vac-form as I want it open so I can make and show the internals. mind I have 9 B&q kitchen units going on Friday to finish the cupboards in the out door workshop (garage) but with no longer used for the car(I just told her your parking it outside from now on) god I was brave that day.
Regards Howard.
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Have a go at carving your master from wood as then you will have a sound plug that should resist any heat you will be throwing at it. Also, you can fix it to a flat base with holes around the edges to help with sucking the edge of your boat form into the corners making a tidier vac forming. I remember being taught the last tip when at college in the ninties. A friend of mine left the vacformer going all weekend, boy wasn't the workshop warm! Howit didn't burn out or worse still cause a fire I do not know.
Use your frames or the material you cut them from as templates to get the plug right. This will save you lots of money as resin and silicone are expensive enough without just using them once.
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Hi guys,
still sorting and putting things in place in my indoor shipyard this is how I store my plastic profiles.
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I use plastic water pipe and plastic pipe clips plus end stoppers for one end screwed to the underside of a shelf keeps them all sorted and handy.
Regards Howard.
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Photos a very small ..... {:-{
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Sorry Martin but cant seam to make them bigger can you.
Regards Howard.
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Send them to me in an email - Martin@modelboatmayhem.co.uk :-)
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Sorry Martin but cant seam to make them bigger can you.
Regards Howard.
How do you process them? If you use a hosting site then they should offer a range of image sizes. I use Imageshack but they have a storage limit.
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Very tidy Howard :-))
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Hi Gents,
Yes am still here back to SD14 Lifeboats I could not find any the size I needed any were so made a plug from card frames and infilled with balsa glued into and on to the card then sanded back to the card frames so i now had a solid plug I really wanted a open Lifeboat white outside orange inside so try-ed to vag-form them but the small machine just was a little to small the get a good shape, another think, make a silicon mould and cast in resin maybe but will i have to settle on a solid resin Lifeboat NO I want a open one so I mixed up a little resin and pored it into the silicon mould covered the bottom and then swilled it up the sides by turned the mould on its end and kept turning till it started to thicken and go off till it would run no more I put it to one side for a few hours before pulling it from the mould and wow am I pleased it worked the bottoms about a 1/4 of the height but the sides are about what I would say scale thickness just the inners and seats to make am so so happy. As soon as I can work out Mayhem photos I'll post some of what I have made.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Gents,
I hope up loading theses photo's work
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Hi Howard - Hope you are well friend? :-)) :-))
What you have done with those lifeboats is ideal - good shape and lightweight too!!
A German modeller at the Deans Marine open weekend last September demonstrated the exact same method for lifeboats of many sizes and they came out perfect every time. Well done on sorting these out - ingenuity wins every time!!!
C :-))
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Thank you for that Carl coming from you that's one huge pat on the back I have a few spare if you ever want to change yours. Such a enjoyable night watching your build.
Regards Howard
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That's a crafty way of making the lifeboats Howard. I'll have to see if I can do similar for my fast rescue craft when it comes to making them.
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Very nice Howard :-))
I need 2 90mmx40
Double ended clinker
ones for my Cal Mac
ferry.
Did you come across any in
your searches?
Ned
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Hi Ned
Yes I think I did Cornwell models or quay key If you could make a master am sure I could cast you some. Mine are 110mm x 40mm .
Regards Howard
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Hi Gents,
The last one I have made I managed to get the bottom (floor) down to about less then 2mm and hull sides to about1/2mm
so happy looks scale any thinner and I'ed think it would be to weak.
Regards Howard
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Hi Gents,
Just to let anyone still watching my build thanks for keeping a interest the shipyard has now reopened only a few odd jobs to do finishing the outdoor to do like making a worktop bridge across the garage (photos to follow) makes building more comfortable .
Regards Howard.
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Waiting with anticipation Howard :-))
Ned
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Hello guys yes am still here cant think what this RETIRED thing means had more time to model make when I worked full time spent Easter putting more strip light up in the garage/outside covered ship yard as builder only put in one so have added another four and need more sockets fed up of changing plugs over another 10 should do as its got its own ring main, plus my daughter is just about to give us our first grand-daughter in the next few days/hours been to hospital three times over Easter just to be sent home again so my job to look after grand-son Three but thinks he's 33, :-)) .
Regards Howard.
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Very nice Howard :-))
I need 2 90mmx40
Double ended clinker
ones for my Cal Mac
ferry.
Did you come across any in
your searches?
Ned
I made a double ender and a transom ended boat for my Jupiter ferry ned.............don't know what lengths they are and they are not clinkered boats, and I don't have the moulds anymore..........but still have the two plugs..........will measure tomorrow and put a photo of them on here, and if any good and Howard wants the plugs for future, or carlt they are quite welcome to them if they will do dome for you..........I'll measure and photo them tomoz. neil.
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Thank you Neil,
Yes if you don't want them I,ll have them and make a mould of them and hope one might be right for Ned.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Howard,
enclosed are the pictures of the plugs and the finished boats.........I moulded the hulls and then once rubber had set I made the hulls of the boats in thin skins of surface tissue matting and epoxy casting resin, just thick enough so that I could build the interiors..
However sadly for Ned, the double ender is 117 mm long and the transom ender is 108 mm long......but if any good to him or you I can send them on.they were built for my Calmac ferry as per plan so could possibly be ok.....the rubber moulds themselves went up to Scotland with all the other moulds and plugs a couple of years ago,
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Hi Guys,
I have some 1inch ali square tube to run just inside the frames along the floor tops to add strength to the model as it's over 7ft long going to epoxy them on to the ply hold bottoms with a good bandage I also have lots of compressed card-angles as you can now get in packing it's very strong also thought I might try that to or should I use it to make the boxes in the holds to keep the lead ballast in place 120lb plus two 12volt, 2 6volt battery's has any one used this card packing before I look forward to your views.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Guy,
sorry no updates for months but trying to finish a few others my Canning, my Clyde puffer and my mini berthing tug plus I have a loft to fit out on stilts and kitchen splash-back wall to tile plus I see my photos on the build has now gone so will try and reload them from my own file as am always being told its a hobby not a job ( a woman's view)just been told next weekend the outdoor Christmas lights need to be started mine plus daughters across the road. So hope to be back in the shipyard soon into the new year sorry about the C word.
Regards Howard.
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yep christmas and clyde are dirty words !!!!!! {-)
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Sorry Warspite,
I know it should not be used for at least another three weeks but then we also only have three weeks till we start working our way to summer and only four weeks till we start seeing Easter Eggs in the shops again.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Guys,
I have some 1inch ali square tube to run just inside the frames along the floor tops to add strength to the model as it's over 7ft long going to epoxy them on to the ply hold bottoms with a good bandage I also have lots of compressed card-angles as you can now get in packing it's very strong also thought I might try that to or should I use it to make the boxes in the holds to keep the lead ballast in place 120lb plus two 12volt, 2 6volt battery's has any one used this card packing before I look forward to your views.
Regards Howard.
Much like this Howard? It is an ideal and lightweight method of adding longitudinal strength.
Re the boxes for lead - our has 5mmx5mm balsa shapes glued to the hold bottoms to take the lead cubes...which can only be placed once the boat is on the water otherwise 1) the boat is too heavy to lift and 2) it will collapse if lifted with that amount of weight in it!!!
I will most likely be taking our SD14 to Wicksteed in 2019 - long time since it has had a sail....
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Hello Carl,
Hello friend how are you so pleased you remember me, I still read your dad's writings sorry shipyards on the back burner for a few months owing to jobs around the house with both daughter and us building home's across the road from each other am now the maintenance man and decorator for both plus lecy for all the Christmas lights, right back to the SD14 like I said I bought some ali square tube like you did but saved a lot of the compressed angle card and never seen it used before in model boating and just wondered if any one else had thought of using it like I wondered or even use it with the ali bonded to it am trying to think out of the box us modellers are often the first to think of doing things another way I know I have pick up lots from others finding new ways to do things,
look forward to your response, use just the Ali like you and your dad did try the card, or use both I have the compress corners which I intended to use for the ballast holds in the in the ships five holds 20, 4lb weights with eyelets enbeded before the lead cooled.
regards Howard.
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Always keep an eye open on how you are getting along Howard - I wouldnt miss it for the world!
As for the compressed card angles, they would probably be ideal for the ballast boxes but I would stick with the ali tubing for the longerons - bonded and clothed just as you say.
Another tip for added strength and rigidity - when you get to main deck level you will notice that there are lengthy square section 'tubes that frame the hatches and run between the cross bulkheads. Add a close-fitting square section length of timber inside these card tubes and they will be as rigid as steel - they will prevent any twist or buckling of the top deck when the boat is moved or even out on the water.
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Thanks' Carl will do it the way you have said I have enough Ali to take it all the way though the engine room and into hold 5,
I hope to restart soon into the new year hopefully with photo's.
Regards Howard.
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Keep us posted Howard :-)) :-)) :-))
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Wow! That's a LOT of work. Very impressive.
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Hello Gent's,
Wow just pasted 35,000 looks sorry not been much lately but I cant say why at the moment, I hope to get my mojo back soon and crack on with it I have lots of bits pre-cut and hopefully get on with it now winter is on its way with all this rain I might get a lake of my own as river in the village is close to breaking its banks but far to fast flowing thanks again for looking.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Howard - How are you my friend?
Check out the latest Model Boats Magazine Special...........article written by my dad about building his SD14. Loads of pictures and explanations.
See you at Mobile Marine soon?
Cheers
Carl
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Hello Carl,
Yes I have seen its going to be in the winter special I still have the hand written one you sent me one of my best bedtime reads ever still often I have not been able to touch mine for a while still hope we can sail both together at some time her sister ship and yes I'll be at mobile marines, as I only live about 11 miles from it my local model shop. any one reading this it should be a great read buy it for that alone.
Regards Howard.
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wow 36,000 now and a 1,000 in a month time to get back welding card it's a lot harder then I thought more so now going up to first deck level hope to see a lot of you guys at mobile marine models on Saturday.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Gents,
New years over and the ship workers are back off there holidays and the shipyards now reopened I will try and up load so photo's soon starting with some bulkheads and afterpeak as I want to fill between the frames with balsa to make it very strong as think when sailing this and the bow might get damaged more easily and Carl did this like this for the same reason ( thanks for the tip Carl) Also need to Epoxy the inch ali square tube just inside the frames on the tank top decks.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Gent's
Right I need a bit of help I have decided I want to make my display/launching stand for my SD14 now as the contiboard am using it just no longer working it's to short to start with, Am looking at buying some 8ft,x 2ft x 18mm hardwood ply maybe cut if back to 18 inches seal the edges (how what with which is best) then put mouldings all the way round plain picture frame stuff I think will look ok, under the boat I will put 8mm x 8mm hardwood strips evenly spaced maybe 8mm gaps, Now for my problem and hopefully your help I want to make some cradles if that's the right name for them like you see when they launch a ship at the bow and stern but cant find any plans/ pictures will make them out off 8mm hardwood strip too if that would not be to heavy.
I look forward to your reply's
Regards Howard.
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If you mean the supporting steelwork and brackets seen at the fore and aft poppets during a slipway launch you almost certainly won't find any details from GA's or plans on-line for a vessel because they're only there to support those sections of the hull as they are launched (often down a slip). So they won't be there in ships pans or GA's. Traditionally they can be welded to the hull, then after the hull floats off the slip -it gets dry-docked and those parts are cut-off, all the other repairs and convenient things are done then the ship is re-floated. (not always but often).
It's been a VERY long time and nothing done in practice but when I did my launching exercises/calcs at uni you have to make sure the supporting structure ensures that when the ship finally slips off the slipway (and a huge force is down on the bow), it has enough buoyancy not to slam into the bottom of the slipway as it "falls-off". Not an uncommon thing for things to go wrong and most if not all slips have a "drop" at the end.
A vessel this size almost certainly wouldn't be slip launched -I wouldn't worry about the cradles you've seen. If you really want them just look at youtube etc videos and make something up I guess.
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Hi, RST,
It's just something to look good on its display stand as well of it sitting on the blocks making the stand look a little different as you say maybe I'll have to just have to make something up.
As for launching yes they was built on the River Wear some on slip-way and launched straight into the North Sea. most was built at Austin & pickersgill in one of the first covered but still on a slipway, some in Middlesbrough a ship yard others built at other yards but I don't of any that was not build on a slipway I think I'll just try and look at pre-launch photo's and do something similar. but thank you for your reply.
Regards Howard.
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...Sorry, was thinking something else: SD14 slipped absolutely for sure and can't believe they were still building them up to the 80's. But you may have to approximate something. There must be a photo sure somewhere buried.
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Howard....scale anchor chain through both port & stdb anchor Hawer chain openings is always an option
You may have seen some old images of large ship launching where many additional cables in length of anchor chain was attached to the hull
The shear weight in the mass of the studded chain being sufficient to slow the hulls movement once actually afloat [stern first]
I'll see if I can find an image.... :o
Derek
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Hello Derek,
Yes I know about drag chains when launching, It's the wooden cradles on the bow and stern I would like to make just to make my display stand look different and a bit fancy may also hold the ship steady on the base I'll keep on looking on the internet and the books I have am sure some one on here will help to.
regards Howard.
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Hello Gents,
Over the last few nights I've been cutting out card and 1mm slots to make the AFTER PEAK STERN FRAME I took some photo to show you the result but I have tried three times and cant get them to load I think there to big but again don't know to make them smaller will keep on trying and let you know.
Regards Howard.
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Howard......my landline e-mail address is in my profile name [shown to the left], send your images to me & I'll upload them in your thread for you....
Wii also advise a fix for the sizing issue
[I did the same for Danielle [Switzerland] a few years back when she had a Server issue]
Derek
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Thanks for that Derek but I have try to three times but again no joy. will look to see if I can find a good free resize program.
Regards Howard.
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: 'howardmain@xxxxxxl.com' <howardmain1954@gmail.com>
Subject: e-mail address OK
Howard....you have my e-mail address OK.... dlwarner@bxxxxxxxx.net.au (dlwarner@bigpond.net.au) [edited] [/color] [/color]this is my land based e-mail
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[/color]Don’t the e-mail via MBM……use your landline computer to send the SD card ship images to me here directly I will then upload them for you
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Thank you Derek,
I have now sent them seven I think, Again cheers mate.
Regards Howard
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That's OK Howard.......will cost you a pint O0 if I ever make it to UK ..... Derek
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PS.....
[I just saved each file to the desktop with the new name, then went to edit....and change to 1250 x 979 pixels
This takes the image size from 2 MB down to ....less than 500KB....usually approx 360]
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Nice one Derek, thanks. :-))
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Thank you Derek.
As you can see gents this looks quite fragile and could be prone to damage once on the water if hit so my next job is to in fill with balsa wood then sand back to the card edges then flood with Ronseal wood hardener which will make it soiled very much like I did with the Bow but I'll post more photo's I have a 18 inch prop shaft if oil-er specially made up by Model Mobile Marine ready to go in.
Hope you lads are still interested and keep watching like I have said before this is no weekend build, Thanks for watching.
Regards Howard.
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Howard I can't post pics from my phone but if you Google forepoppet or aftpoppet there are some launching pictures. Not many and mostly ww2 but might help you.
I admire your patience with the card kit. Nobody can say the build isn't prototypical!
Interesting tangent but I'm surprised how many launches seem to be done using airbag rollers these days. Or rather, that's what seems to show on Google recently!
Rich
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Thank you Rich,
I'll have a look got my 18mm hardwood ply this morning top quality cut to size 1x18inch plus two 15inch all 8ft 18 inch for this one and the two others cut to 4ft for my Tyneside Tugs so that's my display stands sorted for a while. thanks again Rich.
Regards Howard.
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Hi, might I make a small point re ronseal. I know the stuff but Im not adverse to the likes of z-poxy or similar these days. It will be much stronger. I guess ronseal soaks in though because its thin.
...actually I'm not very old (body of a neglected 40 year old, started losing memory when I was about 15), but looking at all the beginner posts these days. When I started out I had a white futaba 27mhz set my dad bought me and it got transplanted into everything (still have it!). A 540 motor was a months pocket money. I made about 10-15 models from card. No money for waterproofing using anything proper. I used to cover (neatly) with sellotape and thick artist acrylic paint from tubes from the art shop. When it went soggy (always did), I learned PDQ to get back to shore to rescue the model before it sank! I learned lots and lots from that, particularly how to build from thin card! Nothing so complex as this though LoL!
Rich
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Hello Rich,
Yes Ronseal wood hardener is great stuff it soaks right though the balsa making it solid It made the bow section perfect so will use it again once. I intend to seal water proof the hull by putting the card shell plates on then 0.4mm ply then a covering of Delux Materials EZE-KOTE with a light fibre glass cloth or tissue then hopefully copy the shell plates in 0.5mm plastic sheet the paint, not sure yet if I will get the plastic shell plates to stick to the Eze-kote thinking of a can of spray Evostick will have to do a test to see but that could be a long way off at the rate am working at should end up with a hull about 2.5mm to 3mm in thickness so water tight and strong I hope.
Regards Howard.
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That sounds a bit complicated Howard. Could you not consider applying the lightweight cloth and Eze Kote directly to the card hull and then use 0.4mm ply for the plating effect and final finish instead of plastic?
Deluxe Superphatic is supposed to bond materials other than wood as long as one surface is porous/absorbent such as unsealed ply and I have found it sticks thin ply to a smooth surface very effectively and is easy to use with its water clean up. Definitely worth playing around with some test samples I think.
Once the ply plating is on you can use either Eze Kote or the slightly thinner Sand 'n Seal as a final seal ready for painting. Only a light rub down should be needed before priming.
Colin
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Hi Gents,
I hope these photo's load I have filled the card skeleton by gluing in balsa between the card then roughly cut back to near the right size this really solid now it needs to be to stop this fragile aft-peak getting damaged once on the water and then covered it in Ronseal wood filler, where I am now about to start sanding back till I just get to see the card frames where I'll then cover in Ronseal wood hardener ready for painting but will post more as I go.
Regards Howard.
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wow guy's I've mastered it.
Regards Howard.
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Based on the fact this level of detail in card is amazing, I am surprised no one has thought of creating a version in cad, then 3D printing the structures with the skin on, at 1 mm thick the body would be very structurally sound - wouldn't it?
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Would it be strong enough as I will be putting a 120lb of lead plus battery's in it to get it down to even some where near the water line once built, plus not sure about copyrights, but would made my job a lot easier but still enjoying the build just takes time. But thank you for looking and posting Warspite.
Regards Howard.
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Help Gents,
Half a dozen times now I have tried to post with photo's but each time it will not post it I have checked and all the photo's are undersize.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Gents,
As you can see am very nearly finished the afterpeak just a few more hours of sanding and maybe a little bit more filler then another coat of Ronseal wood hardener to soak into the balsa wood then a coat of primer the bit of plastic on the prop-tube hole was a button my shorts the other day but it popped off am not saying why so I reamed out the middle to the right size of my prop-shaft we modellers call it recycling.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Gents,
fed up with sanding so thought I'd give my hands a rest I have started building the other five water tight bulkheads you start by cutting out the two hafts the join and cut 1mm slots where needed the pin holes to on the reverse side so you can join them up with a pencil then score back and front then fold up bulkhead make the corrugations the add the bulkhead stiffener plates hopefully the photos are in the right order.
Regards Howard
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Hi Gents,
as you can now see I sanded a bit more and give the aft-peak a coat of primer may still give it a bit more light sanding but the shape is about there now remember I still have the 0.4mm ply plates and then sealed with a fibre-glass matt and coat of resin and if am really silly cover with 0.5 plastic shell plates before its gets it's final paint coats but that will be when the hole hull is finished please let me know if this threads now becoming boring and i'll stop posting.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Gents,
Sorry I forgot to say the white plastic tube has been epoxy-resined into the prop tube and trued up so will sit on the prop-shaft bearers my 18inch brass stuffing tube is about 0.5mm smaller so will be easy to glue and seal in once in place.
Regards Howard.
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Looking good Howard :-))
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Hi Gents,
As you can see after 250 plus scores and folds I have made the last five out of the six watertight bulkheads I just now have to glue/weld them to the double bottom tanks will post more photo's once I have.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Gents,
with the watertight bulkheads made I had to make four square ali tube straighteners to run must of the length of the tank tops or the hold floors so I didn't have to worry about her breaking her back on the water with something like a 120 lb of lead plus battery's in her, I was going to epoxy them to the ply and card tank tops but The great man Stan told me about a modern glue called STIXALL I tried it and found it works a treat every thing is so nice and strong it's water proof to and can be painted over so easy to use, Thanks you Stan for the heads up, three bits cut and on one more to finish but needs four angels to be cut in them as it go's up and over into the engine space so to two 1meter lengths each side I made a small hard wood plug to join them.
Regards Howard.
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Right Gent's,
As you can see the last of the Ali tube has been made and glued in place all now very strong and firm all will take the weight of the ballast leas and battery's I also attached the Aft-peak glued in firm and on the prop-shaft bearers all square and level the brass prop-shaft stuffing tube is a frim tight fit but still removable at the moment till I seal it in the white plastic one it's 18inches long but might shorten it by an inch once I try up the motor, I can now start cutting and fitting the watertight bulkheads in place, then the frames so will post more as I go if you all haven't fell asleep by then.
Regards Howard.
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Keep going Howard, we loving this epic build! :-))
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Hi Gents,
Just two photo's to let you see number two watertight bulkhead now installed its a bit fiddley to get all the corrugations lined up in the right place and had to cut part of it out to allow for the Ali tube strengthens but I've learnt a lot doing it only another four to do and that was the easy one, why do we love modelling.
Regards Howard.
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Afternoon Gents,
just another few photos as I have managed to fix to more this morning two more to do not as easy to fix as I thought it would be keeping every thing lined up till the glue dry's as it only card glue but am getting there.
Martin if am posting to many photo's let me know just think a photo says a thousand words.
Regards Howard.
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Wow it almost looks like your building the real ship! :-)) :-))
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Hey Howard,
Is the frame a Marcle design, by your own design or by another modeler?
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Hello Martin,
The model is printed by Marcle now if there still doing it, 184 A3 sheets of card that cost £300. it was first designed by Captain G. B. Robinson, Lieutenant Commander R.D. Royal Naval Reserve. long before CAD, like some one said it's like building the real ship but in card and not steel, lots of cutting out and thousands of 1mm slits to cut into each peace, as I have said before not a weekend build. Am building it as my late father-in-law was a plater in the Austin and Pickersgill ship yard in Sunderland that build most of them it should be build as a display model but you will have seen am going to make as a RC model so will be altered in many ways a member on here called Carl with his father build one a years ago as I have done over the last week running 3/4 inch Ali square tube down each side of the hull most of the way on top of the plywood hold floors glued on top of the card tank tops so it will not break its back the reason being I will need three/four battery's plus some where near 120lb of lead ballast to get her any where near the water line I have made 20, 4lb ingots so far with a screw eye in each so I can lift them in and out when at pond side I hope to explain ever thing as the build go's on.
Regards Howard.
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This is looking fantastic Howard - and bringing back many memories for me!!!!
You look like you are doing a splendid job here and I cant wait to see her on the water :-)) :-))
Looking forward to the day we can sail both our SD14's together O0 O0 O0 - PLEASE dont stop posting!!!!!
Carl
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Hello Martin.
I have just noticed one of your reply's just what did you mean by is it my frame the card kit as such is made/printed by Marcle by like Carlm am making is so I can sail it and make it R C so adding things to make it stronger like the battery's and lead ballast.
Regards Howard.
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Yeah, that's what I meant! :-))
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Hello Gents,
At long last managed to fit the last two watertight bulkheads been held-up painting Grandsons bedroom (as batman skyline) and with the nice weather Danish oiling and varnishing the garden furnisher, As you will notice number six bulkhead is a lot larger being full high as the others are only up to shelter deck Hight more will be added once the shelter deck is fitted I hope the photo's explain things better.
Regards Howard.
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Wow....superb technique!!!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))
I like it a lot!!!! :}
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Hi Missyd, Am glad you like it still a very long way to go a bit more when start putting up some frames I spend hours just cutting out and cutting in slots when I finish it will float and I hope the card don't get soggy
Regards Howard.
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Hello Gents,
Just a small update been cutting out and gluing/welding the Tunnel side tanks as the three photos explain better, next will be the Tunnel side tank transverse beams and top plates which make up the deck/number 5 hold floor more photo's to follow in a few days.
Regards Howard
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She is looking good Howard, you have more patience than I have :-))
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..... part 10,672p looks like it's the wrong way round! %)
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Lol well spotted Martin I'll have to be more careful now I know your checking my work {-)
Regards Howard.
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Looks like the welds have applied to much heat as well, its more like what we used to call wrigley tin, loving this detail
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Hi Warspite,
yes should look better once transverse beams are on plus number 5 hold floor/deck will find it but still as strong its cutting out all the slots that takes most of my time go to bed at night with throbbing hands.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Guys,
hope am not posting to many pictures but I think a photo can say explain and show much more then words ever can tell me if its gets boring I have put the transverse beams to the floor of number five hold in today and connected the after peak up to the hold and tank tops hold decks plates in tomorrow.
Regards Howard.
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No such thing as 'too many' built or boat photos! :-))
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Amen :-)) Blooming heck, that's a lot of frames!
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Hi with all that card do you damp proof it? Perhaps varnish etc?
Regards
Roy
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Hi Roy,
Yes once the hull is made I'll be covering it all in 0.4mm ply then seal with a resin and tissue fibre grass matting then rubbed down and copy the kits shell plates in 0.5mm plastic then painted and varnished the frames will be covered in the kits card frames first before I start putting on the 0.4 ply look up SD14 build by Carl and see his sails beautifully lol like I have said before not a weekend build my father in law built the real SD14 ships in Sunderland.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Gents,
Just a few photo's to up-date my build as I've not done a lot this week had jobs to do in the garden put the deck in on number five hold and the pillar and centre line plate am busy cutting out frames at the moment.
Regards Howard.
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Howard, there are threads I follow on here, not because I plan to make that particular model but rather because I am mesmerised by the skill and commitment to progress shown by the builder. This is one of those threads. I hope I am still around when you finish it! I guess there is a host of silent followers as well, judging by the number of views - 42,000-odd and counting! :o
Keep up the good work. :-))
Greg
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Ditto,I always leave this one to the last thread to view as its so like watching the real thing being built
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Thank you Greg and Warspite,
its nice to see you are enjoying mammoth task I have said many times this is no weekend build I did at first thought I'd of finished by now four years on but no but then I've had two very bad illnesses one being a week in ICU then on a ward and another coming off my motor bike not good for model boating plus a house move and all that brings plus my daughter getting married having her house build across from us and now two wonderful grandchildren. Greg I to hope to see it finished and am sure you will am trying to do a little bit each day now even if its just sitting down in my indoor model room and cutting out more bits of card and then all them 1mm slots to cut beleave me there's tens of thousand's of them so far so please keep looking that pleases me no end that you gents are still interested even if its just to see if it will ever make it to the water and see if it floats there's a gent on here call Carlmt who build this a few years ago and our wish is to see both together on the same pond sailing together as sister ships from the same company now that might need some tugs lol.
thank you for your interest. I do think pictures can say and explain more then my words ever can.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Gents,
Sorry not to much to show this week as I have been busy cutting out frames and that mean hundreds of 1mm slots to cut out to
done a little to the model bulkheads up to the poop deck ready for the frames been doing a little to the wheel house on my 1:72 scale Clyde Puffer gives me a break from cutting slots %%.
Regards Howard.
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in the second photo you will see the engine room escape tunnel and passage way to the steering flat not put the ladders in yet as using plastic ones look better then the card ones.
Regards Howard.
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One question, are the slots the same size, I would assume the width is the same - card width, but length / depth?
Is there a way to make a cutting tool, like a punch - slight tap and the card is cut, retro fitting an old hole punch for instance.
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Hi Warspite,
No each one can be different all 1mm wide but some can be two or more long I use a pair of Tamiya scissors or just a Stanley knife does drive you nuts some times but no other way of doing it lol as I have said many times not a weekend build but four years now but it is a hobby amounst other things I have a stash on over two hundred blades card blunts them very quickly.
Regard Howard.
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BTW: Found these, worth looking into?
https://cardholepunch.com/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leather-Easily-Punches-Perfect-Saddle/dp/B07RP9CQZM/ref=sr_1_40?dchild=1&keywords=leather+punch&qid=1594674925&sr=8-40
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SAMYO-Metal-Puncher-Plier-Badge/dp/B00R9BLZM0/ref=lp_4952804031_1_1?srs=4952804031&ie=UTF8&qid=1594675592&sr=8-1
https://www.goodsjapan.com/leather-craft-items/general-leather-tools/craft-sha-leathercraft-oblong-slot-punch-no-4-hole-punch-for-leather-12mm-0-5/a-20073
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Thank you Martin,
But both are no good wish they was, it's not holes I need and the slot is 3mm wide when I need only 1mm but thank you for the heads up only think is a good Sharpe Stanley knife lots of then as card blunts them like you wouldn't beleave, I have over 200 hundred in the draw ready to use.
Regards Howard.
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No, no, no no! Just because that's what You want ... what's that got to do with anything?! :}
So all the slots are 1mm wide, up to 20mm long?
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Whataboutdis!!!! O0
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61yKyuasWQL._AC_SL1000_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/KATSU-Craft-Machine-Cutting-100001/dp/B07K1DP223/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=mini+table+saw&qid=1594701869&sr=8-10
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Thank you Martin,
Looks good but slots are different lengths I have a small Proxxon table saw and have used that on some of the longer ones and I some time change some of the card for 1mm ply every now and then to add more strength up to now the pillar plates in the holds and soon some of the longitude transverse beams.
Regards Howard.
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OK.... if it sunny this weekend, I'm coming to your house and cut slots!
Back garden or one of the other three gardens .... or by the waterfall.... or even by the helipad! :-))
" I have a stash on over two hundred blades...." I don't think that will be enough!
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Hi Martin,
Your welcome any time bring more blades with you as you have said 200 blades might not be enough.
Regards Howard.
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What about, whataboutdis!!!! O0
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61yKyuasWQL._AC_SL1000_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/KATSU-Craft-Machine-Cutting-100001/dp/B07K1DP223/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=mini+table+saw&qid=1594701869&sr=8-10 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/KATSU-Craft-Machine-Cutting-100001/dp/B07K1DP223/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=mini+table+saw&qid=1594701869&sr=8-10)
...for the record, I have on of these coming direct from AIM tools (same seller) for about £20 cheaper than that amazon price.
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...for the record, I have on of these coming direct from AIM tools (same seller) for about £20 cheaper than that amazon price.
https://www.aimtools.co.uk/products/100001
They do have some interesting looking tools .... and Very reasonable prices! :o
Let us know your impressions and quaity when it arrives. :-))
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Thank you for that RST think I might buy one, at that price think Martin should as well :}
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Hello Gents,
As a break from cutting out slots in card I thought I'd make the Aft Deck House as I intended to make every thing from the main deck up all the accommodation funnel and fittings made with plastic or casted in resin, with my getting close to the poop deck level the Aft Deck House would make a nice change, I still have a few small bit to make like railing doors a fire fighting equipment ,and a docking telephone box the house is a firm fit box into the main deck , rudder shaft and rubber servo so I can get the if a ever need to. On the real ship the Aft deck house provides a desk storeroom and access to the steering gear flat and number five cargo hold the roof is also a place to store the spare propeller of which I have a spare of the right size in my spares box I'll not use as its white metal am not sure which colour or cover in a tarpaulin your help is needed Gents.
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Would the colour of Tarp be very pale almost patchy yellow - sun bleached, put some tissue over the prop photograph it and then make a plasticard structure fro scraps that would approximate the prop, so when the painted tissue is placed on top, it looks like the props underneath, saves using a prop.
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Thank you Warspite,
the propeller is a white metal one which I'll never use on any of my boats so not worried about using it just wasn't sure what colour like white, grey primer or red oxy, covered or uncovered like you say I think most would be covered with a tarpaulin then lashed down.
Regards Howard.
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Hi RST,
Thanks for the heads up my mini cop saw came today not tried it but looks good great modelling tool.
got it for £35 posted so very pleased
Regards Howard.
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Hello Morning Gents,
After giving it a lot of thought am going to take a small break from cutting card and making all them slots, after enjoying my real love of modelling in plastic and making the Aft deck house am going to build the Upper Deck Accommodation, and as I have already said I intend to make every thing far the Main Deck up from plastic sheet hopefully showing you each Deck level as I go,
I also will try and make every cabin and room at each stage which will give each Deck a lot more strength.
Regards Howard.
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Got to go with your "real love" in life..... then when that doesn't happen back to modelling boats! O0
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Hi martin,
Don't worry am still modelling in boats just with plastic for a few weeks as I can build the accommodation block with out having to cut hundreds of slots smell plastic glue again, but no am not a glue sniffer lol. a few pictures maybe sometime this week, Am making the bridge deck first then the main crew accommodation on the main deck under that as that has a curve built into it.
Regards Howard.
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Evening Gents,
bad week for modelling as grandsons now on school holidays plus me and wife look after his little sister, As I said I was going to take a few weeks off from cutting 1mm slots in card, As you will see I've started on the Bridge Deck Officers Accommodation reason being the Upper Deck Crew Accommodation being under it and is curved to follow the main deck so will turn this over once I have finished this deck so I can work from a flat surface hope your following me lol. the other Decks above these are the Boat Deck, Navigation Bridge Deck then last the Monkey Island.
Regards Howard.
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Ment to say am about half though this deck so far.
Regards Howard.
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Hi guys.
Just thought I'd let you see I have now finished the first of the accommodation decks the Bridge Deck Officers Accommodation,
now I'll turn it over and start on the upper crew accommodation on the main deck. just the doors into the alleyway's to make from wood. Am not sure what colour to paint the insides either matt dark grey or matt black as I'll be gluing all the deck together with LED's maybe in the cabins to light up when on a night sail your thoughts please gents I have enjoyed getting back to building in plastic.
Regards Howard.
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At this scale and the limited size of 'through the window' viewing, would leaving it white be better and if the view through the window is quite good, print room pictures and stick those on the walls rather than building furniture, just make sure the pictures or coppage (cut out cardboard pictures like birthday cards) are stuck on with very good glue.
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Thanks Warspite,
worth a thought that's why I didn't put any doors in the cabins as I never thought they would be seen as I know which cabins are which. I have some nice white primer as I said all decks will be fixed to each other so although there you'll not be able to see much of the accommodation but it will be very strong.
Regards Howard.
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Can you see inside ? that detailing the rooms with cardboard/plasticard furniture or pictures of a room on the walls will be worth it or will the 'glass' obscure the view inside
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Hello Morning WarspIte,
The openings are 6mm x 6mm so think you will not see much unless you are very very close I don't really think it would be worth going that far, If I ever get bored and use the card templates bits to make a to make a display Accommodation that comes apart deck by deck I think I may have to detail it more thinking of a few very small LED's in the odd place.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Gents,
well at last I have nearly finished the upper deck Crew Accommodation as you will see I had to build this upside down owning to curve of the main deck you will also see I made all the cabins on this deck as I did the on the Bridge Deck Officers Accommodation deck at 1:70 scale bit hard to see into them so am not detailing them but I know there there, may look at lighting some with led's that's two decks done as you will see in the last photo have cut out the card temp plates and cut out matching plastic copies ready to start making up the Boat Deck Officers' Accommodation. Again making all the cabins as it adds strength but as I have said before as this is going to be a sailing model am gluing all the deck to each other just able to lift off so I can get at the engine room, it's taking just as long if not longer to cut the card then copy to plastic but am enjoying the change from cutting slots and working with plastic sheet again.
Regards Howard.
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:-)) O0
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hi gents,
as you can see from the photos' above on the two decks so far I have six alleyways needing doors I was thinking they would be wood as there all set back a few feet from the openings I have looked at all the info and pictures I have but cant find any showing the doors upper decks would be wood I think its the ones on the main deck not sure if they would be steel with dogs or wood set back, your thoughts please gents.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Gents
thought I'd share with you the start of the next deck Just done the corridors and Aft bulkheads of the BOAT DECK OFFICERS' ACCOMMODATION so far more up-date's in a few days.
Regards Howard.
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Looks good, you must be enjoying working with polystyrene sheet now -it is wonderfully easy stuff to work with and no grain to seal and prime to fill to get a smooth texture, especially with solvent welding being so neat and relatively quick compared to most traditional adhesives. There was a guy on-line who built entirely from polystyrene like you are doing in card, but his website seemed to have dissapeared something like 18-24 months ago now -I've been trying to find it ever since to give you some inspiration (it was interesting for me also anyway) but you seem to be doing OK in card so far anyway.
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Hi RST,
Thank you for your reply yes I love working in plastic sheet for all the reasons you have said as for card beleave me this is my first and last one I have never made any thing with ply before some love it other don't am not knocking them it just don't rock my boat as maybe they don't like using plastic I buy my sheets in huge sizes works out a lot cheaper and I always have a lot of stock in as well as Stanley blades l buy them in at 200/400 at a time, A man called Carlm made the same boat from card with him father a few years back and has been a great help to me.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Afternoon Gent's
Just a quick up-date on what I've done this week started the Boat Deck Officers' Accommodation,
as you will see I've put the swaging on the port and starboard side's of the two decks I have made so far, I bought three meters of 2mm x 3 half round and ran out before I even got to the Aft end bulkheads so yesterday made a 60 mile round trip to Doncaster and got the last 3 meters the shop had left just hope it will finish the last two deck's, also made three sets of stair side another three sets to make thank wood steps will be better the plastic, cant do much as I have been made to start decorating the hall and am back at work on Tuesday (Lolly pop man) so looking forward to it as I have been off from before Easter, hope to show more next week.
Regards Howard.
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Good Evening Gents,
just three more photo's as I have now finished the Boat Deck Officers Accommodation just the swagging to put on put think I'll not have enough till the model shop gets a new order got about 1 1/2 meters left next the Navigation Bridge Deck more stairways to make about another six then Monkey island and the Funnel.
Regards Howard.
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Thanks warspite,
hi gents the decorating took a lot longer then I thought every thing needed two coats plus four coats to do the wood work and seven door frames so not much done still back to model boating.
got the Navigation Bridge deck on Aft and port and starboard sides now need its swaging cut up what I have of the 3x2 half round but not sure I'll have enough, but I can now start building the Bridge, Chartroom Radio room, and the likes.
Regards Howard.
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Evening Gents,
Well I managed to finish the decorating so got a few nights modelling in, Got the bridge wings, wheel house, chart room, and other cabins and rooms done on the Navigation Bridge Deck. I have started cutting out the Monkey Island, and some of the funnel parts the I still have to make some bit to do as you will see by the card templates which I hope to join up and cut out as I one piece for the funnel skin sheeting again I hope my photos explain better then my words.
Regards Howard.
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Off to give my bike a run in the morning going to my nearest model shop Williamsons in Doncaster for some plastic profiles as I need some more 3x2mm half round for the swaging and 3mm angel hope he has some as I cleaned him out last time a few weeks back and its a 70 miles round trip but I like to support the model shops we have left so we don't loose any more maybe get the Monkey Island on over the next few nights
Regards Howard.
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Rather than a 70 mile round trip, does he have a phone - checking first or place an order that he can get in for you. ;D
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Hi Warspite ,
I don't use my motor bike that much these days so like to give it a good run out now and then, I got most of what I wanted just the 3x2mm half round he still not got thought so as I cleared him out of it last time using it for the swagging should have some in two weeks time but I'll wait till half term then have a run out again, I have the Monkey Island deck and funnel I can do to keep me going and start on the doors and other detail things so it will not really hold me up for now, The sooner I get this done means I'll have up start cutting and slotting card again so no rush as I have enjoyed building in plastic again so have enjoyed a few weeks rest from card. but thank you for still watching and keeping a interest in my build.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Gents,
As you will see I have now finished the basic Accommodation block will leave the rubber bands holding the funnel skins on till tomorrow the trim the top then start doing some detailing work lots to do mast to make, engine room skylight, ventilators, derrick posts, bridge wing bulwark brackets, taffrail wind deflectors, and defector brackets, life boat davits, accommodation ladders and doors, to name a few hand rails will wait till I finish the model.
Regards Howard.
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hi,
I forgot to say am still waiting for the model shop to let me know when his order of 3x2mm half round has arrived so I can finish off the swaging hopefully by half term.
Regards Howard.
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Looking good and very strong!
( Haven't seen a rubber powered boat for ages! )
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%% Thanks Martin,
It will soon be time for me to get back to cutting out card and card glue again but have enjoyed my plastic break not sure the rubber bands will move the 120lb of lead ballast plus maybe three 7ah battery's.
Regards Howard.
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So how would you go about trimming the top of the funnel?
Still loving this :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Hello Warspite,
I took the rubber bands off this morning very carefully ran a Stanley blade down the over-lap at the sides of the funnel glued and lay'ed them back in flush as for the top I glued a 3x1mm profile on the inside once set I ran a new Stanley blade around the top level with the 3x1 not sure if it looks right maybe it should be higher at the front I will post a photo let me know what you think.
Regards Howard.
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Your work is always excellent, mine on the other hand {-) , just in case I start to build the rest of the fleet in waiting.
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Hi Warspite, these are the photo's of the almost finished funnel got two doors to put on the Aft sides the mast and horns go on the front am pretty pleased with now.
Regards Howard
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Hello All,
Managed to get some more 3x2mm half round profiles to finish off the swaging but wish two decks to do will to a few nights then start doing some detail work, mast, derrick posts vents, doors, engine room skylight. While I was waiting for the model shop at Doncaster, So pasted my time making a Tow-Hook for my Hendon/Cragsider Tyne Tug 1:24 scale from plastic and resin will post a photo sometime but will be a while before I start that.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Gents,
As I said last time while waiting to get some more 3x2mm half round for to finish off the swaging I made a tug tow hook for maybe my next build in eight years time lol. so like I said here's the photo's as am now back putting on the swaging.
only made of plastic and resin so just for show don't think I'd push my luck trying to tow with if.
Regards Howard.
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:-)) for both the tow hook and funnel
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Hello good morning Gents,
Am posting a few photos of the tug towing hook I have build now its painted and finished, But they may be my last for a while if not for ever as over the last few weeks/months have been loosing the uses of my left hand and am totally left handed hope if I rest it for a little while it will come back if not my modelling days are over so keep faith and watch this space.
Regards Howard.
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That doesn't sound good Howard. Take it easy and I hope you'll recover soon :-))
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Thank you Dave hope it gets better,
Regards Howard.
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Looks great Howard!
Can you photo something with so we get a sense of scale size please?!
Ruler, coffee mug, coke can, Jaffa cakes, Nelson's coloum etc... :-)
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Hello Martin,
Sorry here are two photo's its 140mm long by 30mm at its tallest place, I made it a Cragsider / Hendon, 1:24 SCALE tug I hope to make after the SD14, as I ran out of half round profile to finish the swaging which I now have. its only for show made of plastic and resin I love North East Tugs but have no interest in towing things modelling is on hold at the moment as am having problems now with both hands but hoping after a few weeks rest I'll get some feeling back and be able to restart.
Regards Howard.
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Nice work on the hook Howard. I do pray you regain the use of your left hand, not only to finish this monumental model (which I continue to follow with great delight) but also for your more general well-being. Good luck!
Greg
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Thank you Greg,
I don't know the answer to my now hands as the right one is starting to do the same loosing the feeling in both now cant sleep at night left now very numb but back to modelling yes am very happy with the tug tow-hook all the joints mover just hope I get to use it, SD14 am going to see if I can finish the swaging a little each or every other night and hope its a short term thing with the hands I don't want to go to the doc's or hospital as full of sick people there am bobbing myself about the virus as the family know am one of the ones that would not make it owing to past health problems hopefully by next week I'll have a little bit to show you all on the SD14 front. maybe it all that cutting of card and slots catching up with me lol
Regards Howard.
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Howard regardless of how you feel about going to the doc or hospital you need to get there right now. Loss of feeling and hands going numb doesn't sound like a temporary thing and needs checked out immediately. I'me sure everybody here will feel the same way as the last thing we want is you to come down with something more serious because you weren't checked out.
Jim
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Jim's right Howard. Get to the Doc as soon as possible.
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As the others say Howard, get it checked out without delay. It could be a lot of things but the longer you leave it the worse it is likely to get and there is every possibility that it can be treated. Don't become a covid collateral damage statistic.
Colin
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hear! hear! O0 , your health comes first
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Hello gent's
Well big day in the morning after all my tests on my heart hospital will at last tell me what the problem is I do know my hearts running slow and have heart frailer how bad and what can be done I'll know in the morning hands are still numb and am getting out of breath after a few hundred yards SD14 has had to be put to one side for now as all the card cutting was making my hands painful been trying a few hours a day to really sort out my garage its my outdoor hobby room its very warm and dry so hopefully will be sorted for the spring hope its only a change of tablets and not a need for a op and I can start posting photos again.
here's hoping am having a we dram of single malt tomorrow night.
Regards Howard.
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All the best Howard, we're rootin' for ya! :-))
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I hope it all goes well Howard, just concentrate on getting better :-))
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Good to see you almost well, when the weather improves then hopefully you will feel even better. Keep taking it easy.
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Glad to hear from you Howard, and even more glad that your health issues are under control. And patiently waiting for the next card-cutting session!
Greg
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Take care Howard, best wishes for your return to full health (and the return to SD14)
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Hi guys,
hope what I put makes sense as so took me a bit to work out, got results and I have heart frailer was told it is classed on a range form 1 to 4 and am 2/3 and is classed as pumping at 50% why not 100% I don't know just how I was told and mine is 37% so new medication and a heart op in a few months maybe 3 or 4 at Grimsby
I already have a stent in as I had a Heart attack at 39 so think its a few more and a new one in under the old one at least I now know the problem and can more on and do a bit model boating sd14 is out of the question for now may do a few smaller hulls i have stashed away as my hands are a little better but not much still a lost of feeling in both but hoping will get better with new meds. I have been passing my time getting my model making rooms sorted out and making a new kind of building stand which am hope one size will fit all photo to follow when I can.
( if not am going to have one hell of a garage sale lol) Regards Howard
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Found this on Facebook Howard!
(https://i.ibb.co/1GKLBZy/168584924-5351984894874173-1098193742296999682-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B2jtvLW)
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=5351984891540840&set=gm.3894082257313566
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Good Morning Martin,
Thank you for that she looks a 1:32 scale not as !:70 like mine plus looking at the name thinking it may be Polish.
Some where in the uk there's another of that scale The San something, in three bits I beleave built for towing I dont know if if it had a motor and if it was radio controlled. not sure when my will get started again am still not that well right hand a little better but Left ones is still very numb and am left handed trying slow things in the garage maybe back to normal after my op in the Summer but not all bad I can still click on here ok lol maybe if I cant you would like to finish it. :} .
Regard Howard.
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No Martin,
just looked again and I don't think its Polish Greek maybe am sure some one on here will know.
Regards Howard.
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Keep safe and well Howard and rest up :-)
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Hi Phil,
Thanks for that must be bad ever the wife's saying take it easy lol. Mind I've not told her she would still get over half of my company pension every month lol.
Regards Howard What do they say what's mines her's and what's her's is her own lol
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(https://i.ibb.co/d4cJy59/168531290-5351974291541900-6634264227043224518-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PGYz86p)
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=5351974284875234&set=gm.3894077823980676
1/32nd scale sd14 type cargo ship SAN GEORGE , at new Brighton, Wirral , with the tugboats , POINT GILBERT , and REAGARTH
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Hello Gent's
Just a up-date SD14 is in the loft at the moment as I cant work on her and gives me more room in my outdoor model room. I have heard nothing since the last time I told you all what was happening. am down to walking no more then 25 yd's now till this afternoon what i got a phone call from Scunthorpe hospital ask if I would come in a week tomorrow and have my op so hopefully they will find out what's really wrong and may put it right there and then as am on the op table as am so out of breath and fingers are now white when my hands are tanned cant even grip a knife and fork now at times owning to the numbness so hopefully I'll have some better news next week sometime think I may have to rest up for a few weeks6/8 I hope no longer might be longer before I can wash up or use the Hoover as I've told the Wife {-) also told her cold cans of beer help. well hope to up-date you all with some good news late next week.
Regards Howard.
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All the best for your op Howard. Hope it sorts things out for you.
Cheers
Ralph
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Likewise.... All the best Howard. :-))
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Hope your better after the visit to the hospital, we all wish you the best
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All the best Howard with the op. Nothing can keep a good modeller or any modeller down. Might have to try the cold beer can trick myself......numb fingers or not! :-)
Regards,
Dave
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Wishing you well for your visit to hospital Howard, and hope it all turns out as you would wish. And looking forward to a quick resumption of your fine modelling. :-))
Greg
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Thank you all for the good wishes am hope things can be done on Wednesday and is no more the stent/stents and not by-passes.
Regards Howard.
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Best wishes Howard :-)) .......from all in OZ....................Derek
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Hello Gents.
First thank you all for the best wishes I understand Tm has let you know am home again, Well in the end things have not worked out as I hoped I had hoped I get away with a few stents no chance much worse then that got a few badly damaged arteries which are to long and cant be stented so results sent straight up to the Cardiac team to see what to do next thinking now its at least by-passes so hoping I'll get to know next week at least the Ango has showed what's wrong so modelling still on hold will just have to enjoy watching you lot build for now.
Regards Howard
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What bad luck, though hopefully the NHS will get you back to some kind of working order in the future - take care
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Good to hear from you Howard!
Feet up, head back ...... fruit, veg and green tea only! ok2
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Martin I have never heard of green tea beer.
But Thanks nice to know you guys are still with me after all these months.
Regards Howard.
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I'm just hoping you get back to the SD14 :P {-)
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Hello morning Gents,
Am sorry to say I have had to put the SD14 on the back burner for now, My hands will still not work as they should, trying to cut card and 1mm slots at the moment is a non-starter just cant feel the scissors hands are numb and tingling can still big needles in and not feel it as you know I was in hospital about seven weeks ago but still hadn't had any results yet just what I told while on the op table driving me nuts not being able to model.
So have ben trying to so what I could do one is a Life raft 1'24 scale in Plastic like the one you can see on the Tyne models North/Ironsider The Red & white one will put up a up thread once done and painted.
Another is a build stand one size fits all just a bit more to do made from cutting mats and 1000,s of holes to drill but have found i can hold the drill in short bursts am hoping it the only one I will ever need to build any more boats in time and then just display stand for each one well that's what I hope, I hope to post photo's soon. it's about finding out what I can do at the Moment
Regards Howard.
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Well, Howard, I am sure we all share your disappointment that SD14 has taken a pause, but mostly we wish you well and that your physical problems can be resolved in some way. Keep doing what you can (use it or lose it!) and we look forward to the day you can cut card again.
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Greg
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Good luck with the stents, I have one.
Made an sd14 from a mag plan some years ago, but not to the size or level of detail as the one in the picture.
It's made from recycled materials such as a plywood door and hardboard side of old fruit boxes.
There is a market stall on the square in town that has fruit boxes with useable material, will begin some next time I see them.
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All the best Howard, great to hear from you. :-)
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Don't worry about the SD14 - your health and well being are more important, you may not be able to model (boats not fashion) but derive some pleasure from watching and dreaming of how you would build something, and when all the maintenance is complete by the NHS, then start to model and then we can all enjoy the fruits of your labour. Keep safe and look after yourself.
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Thank you Guys for the reply's,
Rich I already have a stent been in 11 years its was checked and found to be ok they cant fix what I have with more stents that's what I was hoping for I want to get back some feeling in my hands so I can get on with so model making just doing my head in, Plus am down to no more then 50yds walking just very little oxygen getting to my hand and legs at the moment there's only so much sh-t tv you can watch, am just one of thousands at the mo in the same boat. Am going to try and finish the superstructure in little burst over the next few months as there's no card to cut I think you dont know how much you enjoy modelling till you cant do it.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Howard much sympathy for your demise. I am experiencing a small prob myself. I woke up about 6 weeks ago with left hand little finger and one side of the adjacent finger numb. It was like it for a week and went to the docs well not quite we had a phone call! I was told it would go away and take Ibubrofen and this is like a red rag to a bull to me. I phoned my usual osteopath and I saw him and he gave me a going over down my left arm and a little bit of feeling has returned but will have to have another go.
I can see your dilema it is gripping and doing accurate cuts etc, it is frustrating. I am fortunate that that is all that is wrong with me so I cannot complain.
All the best
Roy
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Howard.
You have a PM
Ned
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Hi ned I have replied to it
Regards Howard.
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Howard 👍
Ned
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Hello Afternoon Gents,
Not sure if I should post this here if am wrong I think Martin will move it. As I said in my last up-date am so fed up of not able to model and do more on my SD14, well I have tried to see just what I could manage cutting cut is out but have made a a Life Raft for my Tyne models NorthSider just needs painting and rope hands on think I'll have to paint it orange as Red & White checked might be a step to far plus not sure if I made if to big and chucky maybe i should of used smaller profiles. A great help was a very nice small modelling chop saw Martin told me about works great on the plastic profiles I use Thank you Martin for the heads up but its a small start and something I found I could do.am now a lot happier man.
Regards Howard.
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Morning Gents,
After the Liferaft turn out not to bad am going to try finishing the Sd14 Superstructure as it am making it in plastic most of it with profiles but have found a problem am finding Raboesch Maquett profiles the I have been using are starting to fall off mainly the half round swaging I have tried three makes of glue now. Revell contacta, Deluxe plastic magic, even Floplast solvent cement now seam to work, will be buying Evergreen profiles from now on down side to them is there only 300mm lengths just wondered if any one else has found the same problem and how they fixed it.
Regards Howard.
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Have you tried Tamiya Extra Thin Cement – the one with the light lime green lid. I find that it's very quick, and permanent on Evergreen. You don't need much of it either.
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Hello Steve,
It's not evergreen I have the problem with its the Raboesch Maquett ones starting to think it may be ABS as some just keep falling off going to try EMA plastic weld only one I have not tried if it dont work I dont know what to do which was why I was hoping some one on here might know.
Regards Howard.
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Am afraid I've had trouble with Maquette also. Tried most solvents and it either just peels off after, or maybe after a couple of months there's a "crack" sound and the bits part. I started to wonder whether there was some kind of coating on it but sanded parts did the same. I have one model where I had to run zap thin along anything that was partially stuck, but CA is just not right on polystyrene. I bought quite a bit of the Maquette profiles, am afraid the safest place I found was the recycling bin and just use evergreen or plastruct. The Maquette polystyrene sheet is very hard also, I find it difficult to cut compared to the rest. I can understand folk saying they don't like polystyrene if the stuff they tried was Maquette.
..I guess others will disagree, I thought I had bad batches of the Maquette or the solvents but the solvents all work on other polystyrene (the abs ones work also) so I've double bottles of everything now in stock. You're not alone I think.
Occasionally I find a straggler and try to remember to chuck it rather than use it.
Rich
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Howard,
I bought some styrene sheet from 3D Models in London. They supply to architects and do large sheets and some profiles in 1M lengths eg. https://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Strip-Shape/Item/ASA-T-section/ITM3729 (https://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Strip-Shape/Item/ASA-T-section/ITM3729) I found the prices to be pretty good and the quality of the sheet is excellent.
Might help
Tony
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Thank you for your replies Tony and Rich,
Rich I to have lots of profiles I may have to ditch now I normally bought them as as I can get them in 1 meter lengths its doing my head in at the moment.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Howard, yea I bought about 60 quids worth thinking it would stock me for a good while. It was just a pain. I tried sticking sample bits to every other bit of styrene I had. Replaced all my adhesives then found out they all worked fine on everything else. It was an expensive mistake. I chalked it up to experience.
I wondered when they called it styrene whether it was actually mis packaged abs. But not according to the labels, and the abs solvents weren't really touching it either. Really weird and frustrating.
Rich
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Hi Howard, couldn't post before because I wasn't home but here's a selection I can't get to work on Maquette Styrene -they're all decent products that work well. As I said, I had to resort to CA (zap is brilliant stuff) -but is a bit like putting wallpaper up with pritt-stick -it might work but it's not right. I'm not a deluxe user -don't like it, allot, not all I find pretty lackluster. If your only basis of styrene welding is their solvent then I'd advise a change and you should see an immediate improvement.
Sorry was going to post a pic but my works laptop doesn't like any USB for security now, list is...
- EMA plastic weld
- Slaters Mek-Pak
- Tamiaya thin and extra thin
- Humbrol precision poly cement (yellow bottle)
- Revell Contacta professional (blue bottles)
...I haven't used "cements" in tubes for maybe 30 years owing to the solvents being so much better and the tube paste cements just dry out and crack and the models fall apart eventually unlike solvent welding. I never worked out how / why the Maquette stuff never takes to them unlike the rest.
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Thanks Rich,
thats stops me buying some other as between your list and mine think we have covered the lot unless someone else can come up with something why I asked on here as we both agree its not the glues that are crap but Maquette thing is I cant see any Evergreen half round 3mmx 2mm but thank you again for trying. Regards Howard.
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Just wondered if anyone has tried the plumbers weld for ABS for waste pipe, is it any stronger than the usual stuff?.
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Hi Warspite,
One I have tried is the same stuff I think got it from Wicks called Flo plast solvent cement bit like wall paper paste and its for the swagging 35mm to 40 mm long by 3mm x2mm about 500 of them.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Gents,
Some good news and some bad, The bad news is am still struggling to find a glue that will let me fix these crap Maquette profiles doing my head in at the moment the more I try to fix the rest of the swagging others keep falling off got to more am going to try Bison hard plastic glue, and another called CIA Technicqll polychlorlde. am hoping one will work as am finding it so hard trying with these none working hands but still some how to finish the Superstructure some how as no chance of holding scissors and cutting card till hand inprouths, good news is i have been able to take a very small step forward with plastic and made the number five hold Derrrick Masts, and the Engine room Skylight will try and post a picture as I think it says a lot more then words can not a lot to you guys but to me after ten months of doing very little am very pleased.
Regards Howard.
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Hiya Howard,
Have you tried using Stix2 double sided tape at all ?
Obviously it depends on the width of your swagings but they do various widths of the tape.
Have a look here: https://www.stix2.co.uk/product/double-sided-polyester-ultra-sticky-clear-tape/
Hope this can help you...
Ray.
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Hello Ray,
Thanks for that I have looked but need 3mm wide for the the 2mmx3mm half round profile frightened to try the Silicone glue in case any stops me painting later as i have very limited use of my hands at the moment.
Regards Howard.
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I've just had a look on that link Howard and they do 3mm x 15m and 3mm x 5m O0
Ray. :-))
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Hi Howard
I found the Raboesch Maquett a night mare to glue. Its a weird plastic. I think I used Tamiya cement but the was no load on it.
You can use the double sided tape they use to hold moblie phone screens in . Used in on the windows of my Ferry. Good stuff.
John
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Hello Ray,
I will look again and keep in in mind so far this evening I have been putting the one's have come off back on using the CIA Technicqll and so far seams to be working the best so far only tomorrow will tell when I try and pull them back off hoping they wont.
Regards Howard.
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Hi,
I would be careful with Bostik / Bison. I used it for decades to stick polystyrene to card and wood back in my model railway days and it was brilliant stuff. There was a change in the branding which co-incides what google tells me they mght have realigned about the same time. They changed packaging (pink to purple or 'tother way round) and I continued to use it -all was well for 6 months (smelled the same, same consistency, same price) then supposedley the exact same stuff started delaminating and reacting with the PS sheeting and fell off overnight! Heartbreaking to scrap allot of things as it just went wrong suddenly after 6 months with absolutely no warning or signs before. Normally if a solvent reacts it starts doing so straight away and builds up over time but it was just night and day with this stuff over months. I've never used Bostik or Bison stuff anywhere near polystyrene ever since so don't know if the forumla changed since.
I'd recommend you to do some trials first!
I just found a few old pics as an example -the stuff used to be great then suddenly it started reacting after it was in-place for months...
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As I said the old stuff stuck OK forever but the new stuff after re-branding was fine for months then overnight just went "no"...
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Thank you John have logged it in my E-bay in case I need it.
Hello RST, thank to you to the Bison I have is 10 /20 years old old and is in a blue and white tube says PVC,ABS, ACRYLIC, and GLASS. but as I said trying CIA Technicqll first so far looking good.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Howard look at taranis's builds. He gave up styrene adhesives I think a bit too quick as it was based on deluxe solvent which is known to be very somewhat meh. Deluxe are the "apple" of the glue world to me. He uses zap cyano and I can't fault him, zap is pretty darn good for modelling. I'd just never recommend a bonded joint when a welded joint is possible. Perhaps the issue would be put back on your supplier, good luck with that as I said before it was a learning curve for me when I found out just how bad the stuff was. It must be do-able though as it's sold in Europe.
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Would Copydex be worth considering? ...... Evostick?!
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Morning All,
No Martin, not for plastic to plastic Evo stick can soften thin plastic very badly if you don't get it right and with my hands at the moment just cant trust them with the fine detail I would need to use it am still out on what i used last night bet so far its looking good hoping i may have cracked it.
Regards Howard.
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Hello RST(Rich)
Well I think I may have cracked it so far all the bits I have stuck on have strayed on so try CIA Techniqll Polychloride, for rigid plastic, about £2.40 on flea bay. Sod's law I ran out of the 3x2mm half round to finish the swagging so 60 mile round rip Yesterday to buy two more lengths of the crap stuff but had to use the same stuff, might be worth trying before you throw out your stash,
Regards Howard.
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Interesting Howard, it's described as a contact adhesive so not sure how that will work with neatness but give it a try. I did say CA works, more than one of us on here recommends ZAP. I threw out mine ages ago as it was more hassle than worth. When the fenders from half round tube started peeling off my pilot boat I drilled and injected holes with some super quick acrylic I found in Carrefour. Worked fine but it was the 2k type with the spiral mixing nozzle on the end of the syringe so had to be darn quick!
Rich
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Hiya Rich,
I would not call it a contact glue, I put it on and fix it straight away bit like using the old Airfix tube glue but better and it works so far.
Regards Howard.
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Morning Gents,
A small step maybe to you but a huge step forward to me, After spending all day having more tests done at Grimsby hospital I managed to finish the Swagging on the superstructure and as you will see did the engine room skylight, Derrick posts for number five hold, and a vent on the back of the funnel. Hands are feeling a little better[/size] Next am aiming to try and make the Signal Mast, Ventilators, Cargo and topping Winches as there's a few of both of these I'll made one of each and then make a silicone mould to cast the others.
[/size] Regards Howard.
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here's some photo's
Regards Howard.
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and this one
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Very nice Howard lots of fiddley bits on that :-))
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Hello Gents,
Am looking for a bit of help wanting to see if am up to making the Cargo and Topping Winches thing is looking at the card one's even if I managed to cut them out I think they will look crap but all you book and pictures I have I cant any that look what I need
I will make a handed one of each then make a silicone mould and cast then in resin so if any of you great guys have any plans or clear pictures you could send me it would make me a very happy man and would make my hands so happy too, Mayhem has never failed me yet, thank you for your time if you can help.
Regards Howard.
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I can't help you with the winches I'm afraid, but I want to say how lovely it is to see you building again. :-)) :-)) :-))
Greg
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Hello thank you Greg,
am so pleased myself that am at least able to do a little huge leap forward for me I have been back to Grimsby this week for more Specialist tests so now it's back to Scunthorpe Hospital and see what the Specialist says there Right hand is nearly back to normal left about 50% anyway am back modelling so am a happy chappy.
Regards Howard.
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Just a heads up Howard,
Boyes sell Mitre Bond.
Might be worth trying a small
Bottle.
Ned
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Hey Howard!
How you doing? :-)
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Hello Martin,
Thank you for asking I'll write you a heads up tomorrow as a bit late now some good but most not great and with Covid every things just getting pushing back am trying to keep up-beat but finding it very hard where's so little I get do now.
Regards Howard.
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:-))
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Hello Martin,
I know this is a little off thread as at the mo I cant go any further with the SD14 owning to my health my right hand is a little better but my left one and am left handed is much worse very painful pins and needles 24/7often can only snatch a few hours at a time if any at night right one the same but not as bad been over a year now but with covid things just seam to be kept pushed back really doing my head in not able to do my modelling am trying with much luck to fit out my little 1:72 scale puffer with all the black art stuff but only have a 110mm x 50mm hole to work with battery's under Neath and RX, esc, switch, a ActionP69 plus a Action p64a micro stream engine sound puffer version plus all the wirers and cables I think i might struggle with these hands but some how I'll not be beat.
right back to what has been found out about why am so unwell thought it was my stent had angiogram no its ok had, two echo scans of my heart and found the bottom right hand chamber in my heart is not squeezing much so not emptying so cant fill back up again fully, down side is why my body's not getting enough oxygenated blood around my body am 90% ok when sitting doing nowt but as soon as I get up and try and do anything I start getting very breathless and start shutting down can walk about 50 yards if that its so peeing me off when I have been so active think it might be from a Heart Attack I had 39 year ago that did the damage so been waiting since early November to hear what they can do if anything am so sorry the lads might have to wait a bit longer to see the SD14 have more done am as frustrated as them.
once I hear anymore Ill let you lads know am just so pleased people or still interested.
Regards Howard.
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From Facebook ....
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3254456231264232/search/?q=SD14%20
Good evening everyone
i made a new years resolution for no new kits during 2022, and then joined a 90 day group build, all i had untouched was the stern section of the Marcle 1/70 SD14 card kit so here i am on day 8 and hoping i can get it across the line in time
she will be set in a ship breaker diorama, so not everything needs to be built up.
Kevin Aris
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You will now understand what i meant about all the card cutting an hundreds of slots to cut and that's with good hand to work with Martin good luck mate.
Regards Howard.
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Hello Martin,
Am just thinking it you get into cutting card and love making 1mm slots you might want to finish my SD14 as I think it may be a while before my problems are sorted out just wondered cutting out thousands of slots night after night so so relaxing and rewarding {-) as you will find out
Regards Howard
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From Facebook ....
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3254456231264232/search/?q=SD14%20 (https://www.facebook.com/groups/3254456231264232/search/?q=SD14%20)
Good evening everyone
i made a new years resolution for no new kits during 2022, and then joined a 90 day group build, all i had untouched was the stern section of the Marcle 1/70 SD14 card kit so here i am on day 8 and hoping i can get it across the line in time
she will be set in a ship breaker diorama, so not everything needs to be built up.
Kevin Aris
(https://i.postimg.cc/XG46KTwL/Marcle-1-70-SD14-card-kit-d.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XG46KTwL) (https://i.postimg.cc/Wh3jHLxf/Marcle-1-70-SD14-card-kit-f.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wh3jHLxf) (https://i.postimg.cc/yD3K7h1m/Marcle-1-70-SD14-card-kit-g.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yD3K7h1m) (https://i.postimg.cc/rKPc6Zky/Marcle-1-70-SD14-card-kit-h.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rKPc6Zky) (https://i.postimg.cc/8F8ScFcq/Marcle-1-70-SD14-card-kit-k.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8F8ScFcq) (https://i.postimg.cc/wthdm6s3/Marcle-1-70-SD14-card-kit-i.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wthdm6s3)
lol i recognise that build
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Hello good evening Gents,
Just letting you know am still alive been ill with a bowel cancer scare but all sorted when for some reason I could not get logged into Mayham for months even with Martins Help but at last this week Martin got me up and running again Sd14 is on hold till weather gets better as i need to do that in the garage at over 7ft to big for my indoor model room been trying to get my mojo back casting bits in resin finishing my 1:72 puffer, and painting my Victoria yacht to look like the Hull & Humber round the world Yacht race Hull and decks all done just waiting for new white sails to come, £75. so not cheap never used the Vitoria sails or decals still in they bag so might see if i can put them on flea bay I still not got the heart problem sorted so have to watch just how much I do as it only running at 37% just so nice to be able to see and post again on here, SD14 will hopefully follow soon.
Regards Howard.
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Hi there Howard, it's brilliant to see you back on the forum and it'll be nice to see your updates when you're back on SD14 :-))
Aye,
Ray.
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Yes, great to hear from you Howard! :-))
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Thank you Martin and Ray
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A great build to follow again - I cannot wait - loved waiting for the next update
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Welcome back Howard, just take it easy, health first SD14 later
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Welcome back Howard.
Bob
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Good to hear from you again Howard - enjoy the build and keep us updated.
Colin
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Sadly just a up-date Gents, Still waiting Heart op hoping sometime in the next few months we know what it is just now waiting to get it manded, A special pace-maker for one chamber of my heart. but covid and now strikes ar,nt helping am always drained at the moment. so much i want to do.please keep faith in me am coming back.
Regards Howard.
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Hi Howard,
Good to hear from you, hang in there.....
Thinking about it, there's enough mechanics, engineers and electronics experts on here... maybe we could have a go?!
Martin :-))
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Good idea Martin – a few old servos, and esc and a lipo battery. Might need a few new scalpel blades though :-))
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mmmm Thanks lads was thinking a T12 from Mobile Marine Models might be good at pumping blood. lolbetter then the 37% I have now with this ticker.
Regards Howard.
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Sadly Howard never got to finish his beloved SD 14 card model. After a long period of poor health he passed away peacefully at home in January 2024. R.I.P. Howard Main
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Oh Dear,
How very sad.....
This was a very enjoyable build with great humour, he'll be sadly missed on this Forum.
Our most since condolences to the family......
Martin - ModelBoatMayhem
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Yes, another very sad loss.
Thanks for letting us know Gareth. So frequently people just sort of disappear and you never know what happened to them unless a family member has picked up on their membership of Mayhem.
Colin
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I echo that, very sad when a member passes. 8 years in the building, I hope his end was easy.
Condolences to the family
Roy
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RIP Howard,
I always loved reading the progress of his SD14, its a pity he never finished it, sorry to hear he passed away, if peaceful - a blessing, will be sorely missed.