Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: jaymac on February 10, 2015, 07:08:46 pm
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At last someone who tells it as it is
http://ozziesaffa.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/i-bet-she-regrets-asking-her-question.html (http://ozziesaffa.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/i-bet-she-regrets-asking-her-question.html)
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Very good link and confirms our way of thinking. :-)) :-)) O0 O0
Similar questions are asked on TV panels here but answered using political correctness, however the majority of us still call a spade a spade
O0 O0
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Guys.....I sincerely hope this thread does not denigrate to any form of religious/political overtone & hence subjected to the BLUE padlock
So it up to us, lets please keep it clean :-))....Derek
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While what she was saying is what 90% of the rest of the world believes, this would not beat the political correctness in this country! In fact I'm glad it was a black woman saying this because a white person would never have got away without some charge being leveled at them.
Having said that, I found the guy on the left of the panel the best, his facial tones were so funny to watch.
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however the majority of us still call a spade a spade
Calling a spade a spade and being gratuitously offensive often just depend on what side of the conversation you are on!
In most cases calling a spade a spade simply dogmatically states your own viewpoint, alienates the other party and leaves no room for a meeting of minds which might actually resolve the issue under 'discussion'.
But of course it makes people 'feel better'.
That is not to say that you shouldn't tell it like it is when the situation warrants it but people often don't distinguish between this and simply venting their prejudices - it can be a fine line sometimes.
Colin
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Well.....it is not my intention to change the understanding of this thread %)...but to call "all a spade a spade"....
My understanding of to "call a spade a spade" did not include emotion <*<....so I asked alternate sources
Wikipedia certainly has an alternate view in the meaning of to "call a spade a spade"
To "call a spade a spade" is a figure of speech which explicitly calls out something as it is, by its right name. The implication is not to lie about what something is and instead to speak honestly and directly about a topic, specifically topics that others may avoid speaking about due to their sensitivity, unpleasant, or embarrassing nature.[1]
I have also checked this with Professor Tulloch [Head of English] from the Flinders University in Adelaide who suggests the previous posting here on MBM [at 10:46:58 AM] is simply an individuals opinion rather than the accepted learned understanding of the text......Derek
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For a sensible perspective scroll down the comments to 2/7/14 23.59.
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Jonty...... "comments to 2/7/14 23.59" .....??????????????
This was a new thread raised yesterday... Derek
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This spade thing was kind of discussed last week with Eamon Holmes on Sky news.
What they basically said was that there are far too many people around today who are quite happy to say "I'm offended by what you've just said" The answer and one I totally agree with was 'Tough. Last time I looked it wasn't against the law to offend you'
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Derek - go to the blog and scroll down the comments there.
Whilst I agree with much of the sentiment, I think it needs to be understood that this woman is a Christian fundamentalist with a far right agenda.
God preserve us from all fundamentalists - Muslim, Christian, Hindu - and, for that matter aggressive atheists.
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Point taken Derek, but unfortunately a lot of people do apply the emotional dimension when they stray from facts into opinions.
The other thing of course is that calling a spade a spade in the defined sense doesn't always help a situation. OK if you simply want to make your position clear with no arguments but very often you need to hold back a bit if you are to achieve what you want by negotiation such as dealing with a clearly incompetent bureaucracy for example.
It's the same with white lies. If your other half asks you 'does my bum look big in this?' then calling a spade a spade may not lead to a happy outcome...
Colin
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God preserve us from all fundamentalists - Muslim, Christian, Hindu - and, for that matter aggressive atheists.
Couldn't agree more (and add rivet counters to the list) - but is there a God do you think? ok2
Colin
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Thin ice, Colin, thin ice...
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Yes, we will just have to preserve ourselves, after all the ancient Egyptians managed it.... (athough history doesn't tell us what happened to their Daddies!)
Colin
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(although history doesn't tell us what happened to their Daddies!)
Colin
Is this a ketchup joke, Admiral?
As for preserving ourselves, me and my friend Jack Daniels are working on a cunning plan to pickle a human body from the inside. It's a very slow process so far - thankfully. 8)
DM
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%) Our ancient ancestors threw bodies into the bogs of northern europe ( a lot without the owners permission) which done a good job of preservation something to do with lack of oxygen in the bog offering for the goddess of water,but like DM I prefer going down the Jack Daniels route much more fun,Ray, %)
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Yes, I agree with DM on internal preservation. There is rarely enough oxygen in the bog...
Colin
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I'm a 'dark rum man' myself. %)
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Oh I dunno, Glen Fiddich is a decent enough bloke to help with the problem and another close chum is Gordon Gin!
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could some kind person tell me what the question was my speaker on laptop not very clear or cannot it be printed here
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{-) Lets get one thing straight it is only for medicinal purposes to keep the cold out, I get no pleasure whatsoever from drinking it,that's my story and I sticking to it,Ray. {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Without being sceptical %)...this was an American produced video of an American gathering of people with a chosen host panel
We see and hear from one member of the public Saba Ahmed...yes an American Muslim law student with views of the far right [according to Google]...
What was the name of the TV show?
Was Ms Ahmed invited to the gathering?
What was the criteria or advertised topic of discussion?....[we were not told, however we could conclude it somehow related to the deaths of four American nationals]
On the other side of the content is Brigitte Gabriel.....rhetorically using the term so purposefully that 'the peaceful majority were irrelevant'.......which is all too true, however I could not believe a humble individual could confirm word by word all of those % of deaths of people from different faiths or from political arenas of conflict....
I acknowledge I had not heard of Brigitte Gabriel...until Google confirmed she was the founder of the American Congress for Truth and ACT! for America
So I certainly am not disagreeing with the comments portrayed by Ms Gabriel, however I wonder if Ms Ahmed knew she was walking into a loins den
So for me.......it's OK & 'lets get back to tin tacks' and without emotion 'call a spade a spade'......... O0.... Derek
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It appears, I hope I am wrong, but reading all the commentary on this thread, that the ability to call a spade a spade, as stated by some of the commentary, is no longer possible in the UK. :(( :((
Whilst some, are trying to drag us Australians to such a miserable position, we are resisting this madness, namely political correctness. We Aussies value the truth and abhor PC and all that rubbish. <*< <*<
You will note that the clip referred to political correctness and telling it how it is, namely a spade is a spade, it is not a shovel, it is not an earth moving implement, even when used as such, etc, etc, etc, it is still a spade. :-)) :-))
Looking from afar, I gain the impression via the comments that Political correctness in the UK is the order of the day irrespective of truth. :o :o
I am of the hope that, we Australians, who were established by descendants from the Mother Country and speak English, will win out and continue calling a spade a spade, as we have done since the first fleet.
The clip demonstrates quite clearly and the questioner acknowledges that Islam is NOT a religion but an ideology. Which is what communism also is, namely an ideology? Digressing, Communism is illegal and banned in some counties, so why not Islam it is far worse than Communism. Back to the thread. %% %%
How this thread got onto centre, left, right, Christian, Political correctness, etc,etc, escapes me, but a spade is still a spade, as the originator of this thread asked, I repeat, yes I think, she regretted asking the loaded question and was shot down in flames by a person calling a spade a spade. :-)) :-)) O0 O0
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I asked the question honestly as one of the points made here was we should negotiate with these people after they had cut off your head or burned you to death in a steel cage. I see it was removed. I lived in Aden for a year & unless you have, you will never be able to explain to most Western people how most of these people think & act. Life has no value to some of these people & we had better use that as a starting point when dealing with the situation we now find ourselves in. If we don't we will find ourselves in the same situation we did with Hitler. Next time we may not win. I am calling a spade a spade from experience. Mick B.
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Mick, There has been another blackout on the forum today and yesterday's posts have been lost again! No posts were removed, they just sort of got lost in cyberspace!
Colin
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Mick, There has been another blackout on the forum today and yesterday's posts have been lost again! No posts were removed, they just sort of got lost in cyberspace!
Colin
Aha, That explains why there are "notifications" of postings but the posting is not there.
I too thought some had been removed.
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When were you in Aden Mick I never saw you :-))
Jay
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Thanks Colin I was getting paranoid, that was twice in a week, Mick B. Jay to answer your question ,most of 65 & a bit of 1966. I was with the RAF at Khormaksar, at that time it was an active service posting, with nearly 500 of our lads killed & buried in Little Aden, what for you may well ask, it still goes on. Mick B.
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Apart from the obvious fact this question was staged as an excuse for a pre-prepared rant of bigoted abuse, I hope no one will suggest the English are in any way prejudiced, as evidenced by this Flanders & Swann song ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8)
Yes, it is OK to protest over Charlie Hebdo cartoons guaranteed to deeply offend millions, but not to say anything about anyone of different cultures, religions, or sexual orientation, without been jumped upon.
It's called "Freedom Of Speech" ????
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I don't think that newcomers to this country should be deracinated, but this is the result of multiculturalism:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-31452814 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-31452814)
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65/66 Mick that explains it we were there 63/64 originally nowt to do with internal security there for the Gulf with one squadron up there al the time . We did the Dhala runs and also up to Behan and Ataq. When things were on the Horizon got roped in for riot squads , Khormaksar Ha that ws like being backin Blighty part from the sunshine must say the Raf always fed well same in El adem Libya, We were up the other side of the Mountains of the Moon past 45 Commando who were in little Aden . On the day before we left I had to go in to steamer point to pick up one of our guys who was in transit from the ARAB jail and finishing at Colchester. Lost alot of weight while he was in there as only got about 3 of our type meals a week.On the way to Steamer point passed the High Commissioner on the way to the Air port on our way back passed the Ambulances carrying him due a bomb at the airport . Small world init oh and 69 I was In Calgary and Camp Wainwright
Jay
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Aden 63/4 HMS Eskimo 9 th Frigate Squadron based in Bahrein.
Many runs ashore in Aden remember the swimming pool at Steamer Point.
Back in 67 to cover withdrawal on Eagle with Buccaneers from 800 sqd on
Point duty. Managed a quick peek at Crater.
Ned
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never went Bahrain Ned left that to our Tank squadron A and B alternated while you were there
Did you do the big showing the flag Beach landing down nearer Aden way think it was the Ark Royal along with others . Also different kind of Muslim then used to walk around in pairs holding hands and carried a tin with pebbles to rattle in case someone broke wind not forgetting the wee shame beard to pluck crying Ayee Shame
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We used to have Bastion and Parapet LST's up in Bahrain with us.
Ned
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After or antipodean members raised the question of how politically correct you have to be in the Uk nowadays. I saw this photo this morning and just had to post it to this topic....
We asked as a population to celebrate st Georges day and it was turned down as not conducive to the integration of other cultures! Yet the hindu's, muslims, jews and all other races celebrate their particular holidays.
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Surely this is because the extreme right and neo-Nazis have high-jacked the St George`s cross flag. The cartoon does remind those in the south and other parts of the UK that to be British is not the same as being English.
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It is now the same in Oz O0 O0 O0
Just change the last cartoon to AUSTRALIA Day >>:-( <*< >>:-( <*< >>:-( <*<
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Hi,
Leaving aside all the politics, the panellist does not attempt to answer what is quite a philosophical question, ie. can you defeat an ideology with weapons? It would have been nice if, after her speech, the host had said something like "Now would you like to answer the question? Shall I repeat it for you?"
ps. I wouldn't like to answer the question - it's too philosophical for me, but it does put me in mind of Dooley's response to the judge in "Dooley is a traitor" by James Michie.
'Mr Dooley, won't you help to destroy evil ideas?'
'Ah, your Honour, here's
the tragedy,' I said. 'I'm not a man of the mind.
I couldn't find it in my heart to be unkind
To an idea. I wouldn't know one if I saw one. I haven't one of my own.
So I'd best be leaving other people's alone.'