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Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: U-33 on March 21, 2015, 11:29:11 am
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So what is the law concerning displaying a tax disc in your car? I've just changed my car's taxation class to 'disabled', obviously I didn't get a replacement disc, but do I need to leave the old (expired) one on display in the windscreen or not? Every car in my road is displaying a disc still, some current, some expired.
I was under the impression that you don't have to display a tax disc any longer, but now I'm not too sure...any advice, guys?
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'Uggett
'Ere be the official chapter and verse. In short, no you don't. http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/abolition-of-the-vehicle-tax-disc (http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/abolition-of-the-vehicle-tax-disc)
DM
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Excellent...thanks Dave, I shall remove mine next time I go out.
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Rich,
Because you have just changed the taxation class to disabled the new change in law states you no longer need to display a valid tax disc, the police if necessary can check via DVLA immediately if your taxed/insured.
Jimmy
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Thanks Jimmy...it'll seem strange not having a disc in the windscreen.
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I will add that as a motorbike enthusiast, it does mean that I no longer have to worry about the stupidly low down placement of the tax.disks on both of mine.(I good way to have alll kinds of fun from the local law :police: Who seemed rather irate at the slightly wrinkled ones with ink runs!)
Sean
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Didn't they used to be right down low on the front forks?
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Bingo :-) both of mine are of the older generation, so yes both get soggy tax disks! >>:-( <*< >>:-(
Sean
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You no longer need to display a Tax Disk, even if the vehicle is registered Disabled.
Blue Badges for Disabled Parking are sourced through your local Council and must be displayed when parking in a designated parking bay. However I note that in most such bays few display Blue Badges and thus most drivers seem to look remarkably nimble and agile. In supermarkets etc such bays are not 'enforceable', which most people know, and too many abuse the situation causing real problems for those who genuinely require such access.
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Disabled bays in supermarkets are enforceable by on officer of the law while on duty I know this because instead of taking abuse off lazy able bodied persons I have a few times asked a police officer if he can have a word and on a couple of occasions he has issued a parking ticket. O0
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Just taken my rubbish down, and at the same time, and seeing as how I was downstairs, I've removed my collection of tax discs from the windscreen and filed them under B1N as well.
Thanks chaps...
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A lot of shopping parks are now showing a contractual obligation sign
on disabled spaces basically saying if you park without a badge you are agreeing to pay the parking charge of £60.
Local ASDA have similar signs for disabled and mother and child spaces.
Ned
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Tax discs are selling on eBay for silly prices at times Rich.
Un bin them at once
Ned
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About 100 yards down my road is a disabled drivers bay...the local council were out last week repainting all the yellow lines outside the school, and they did the disabled bay at the same time.
The guy with the paint stick thingy had hardly finished painting it, and a woman in a huge great 4WD pickup truck parked in it...got out, dragged little Johnny out of the back seat, and practically ran up the road to the school.
The council painting man and his mate stood there, shaking their heads in disbelief....
Tax discs are selling on eBay for silly prices at times Rich.
Un bin them at once
Ned
Good thinking Ned...anything for a few bob in the old sky rocket. %)
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You can check if your vehicle is taxed and has a current MOT here https://www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-tax (https://www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-tax)
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This site also allows you to sign up to the NHS Organ Donor Register
if you wish to. A good thing IMHO.
Ned
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I know that Council car parks have to allocate so many disabled spaces.
Most Councils now charge for parking in these spaces.
In Totnes last summer I noticed that blue badge holders had to pay unless
they had a zero rate tax disc.
Councils now either have to supply the car park ing civil enforcement
officers with a machine able to access DVLA's database (at a cost per machine) or make everyone pay.
Ned
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Thanks Jimmy...it'll seem strange not having a disc in the windscreen.
Certainly does. Mine's not been in the car for six months, and it still strikes me as 'bare'.
As to supermarket carparks, I thought they were generally not public roads, and therefore the police have no rights to enforce parking tickets?!
Andy
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I can only speak for the Superstore I worked at on Customer Service. The supermarket car parks were private property but 'administered' by NCP. Supermarket staff were not allowed to 'enforce' disabled bays, but we did tannoy registration numbers when obviously fit people were abusing those spaces, and kept tannoying them every 20 minutes if they did not vacate the space. As 'private property' Police only had limited powers to intervene.
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All major supermarkets use facility management companies to police
the car parks.
OK if you have humans operating the system.
Sainsburys now have ANPR cameras on entry and exit
with screens showing your reg as you enter and leave.
Just make sure yours shows up on leaving or you will
have a fine in the post.
Ned
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You no longer need to display a Tax Disk, even if the vehicle is registered Disabled.
Blue Badges for Disabled Parking are sourced through your local Council and must be displayed when parking in a designated parking bay. However I note that in most such bays few display Blue Badges and thus most drivers seem to look remarkably nimble and agile. In supermarkets etc such bays are not 'enforceable', which most people know, and too many abuse the situation causing real problems for those who genuinely require such access.
You do not need to look Disabled to be Disabled.
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About 100 yards down my road is a disabled drivers bay...the local council were out last week repainting all the yellow lines outside the school, and they did the disabled bay at the same time.
The guy with the paint stick thingy had hardly finished painting it, and a woman in a huge great 4WD pickup truck parked in it...got out, dragged little Johnny out of the back seat, and practically ran up the road to the school.
The council painting man and his mate stood there, shaking their heads in disbelief....
Parking regulations don't apply to parents delivering children to school - especially if it would have been quicker to walk the child from home to school than drive and find somewhere legal to park %% {-) O0
Guess who lives opposite a school with double yellow lines all down the road. >>:-( <*< >>:-(
Barrie
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You do not need to look Disabled to be Disabled.
Eeem, sorry, but sometimes it's just too darned obvious. No Blue Badge, dirty great 4x4 or ultra low sports car, showing clear agility and lack of any impairment of any kind.
My wife tried to get a Blue Badge for 4 years without success with significant pain and impaired mobility.
She finally got her hip replacement on Tuesday. If she couldn't get a space she often returned home.
The issue qualifications are so severe as to make getting a genuine badge very difficult even with GP's support.
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I'm on my second attempt at getting a blue badge...
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If you are entitled to a disabled vehicle tax you automatically qualify for
a blue badge.
Ned
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Now that's interesting, Ned...you sure?
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If you are awarded DLA mobility you can automatically get a blue badge by
showing your award letter as proof.
Ned
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I get high rate DLA, plus I have a registration card from the local County Council which states that I am disabled. I'll be making a few phone calls come Monday...
Thanks Ned...
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You can do it on line Rich
Go to Gov.org and you will find all the gen there.
Ned
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Disabled bays in supermarkets are enforceable by on officer of the law while on duty I know this because instead of taking abuse off lazy able bodied persons I have a few times asked a police officer if he can have a word and on a couple of occasions he has issued a parking ticket. O0
Same here in Queensland that is why car parks all now use Official signage, stop ,give way, Disabled parking, 40, 20 etc. :-)) :-))
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I wanted to put something different into the holder, instead of just binning a perfectly good holder and after a quick Google for suggestions I found this designed by the Police, which I thought was a sensible alternative :-
http://www.westmercia.police.uk/news/news-articles/police-launch-emergency-contact-disc-as-alternative-to-tax-disc.html (http://www.westmercia.police.uk/news/news-articles/police-launch-emergency-contact-disc-as-alternative-to-tax-disc.html)
Just a bit of Blue Peter work with the scissors and hey presto !
Mike
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I had quite a bad car smash on Wednesday and was surprised that although insurance, tax, licence and ownership are all available on the PNC I was still required to "present my documents sir". Fortunately I had all to hand which saved me from breaking into my local cop shop. Breathalysed also. Got a good zero on that, but difficult to blow with crushed sternum.
Jerry.
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Has anybody noticed the bargain tax disc holders appearing in the pound stores? I can't help wondering if some buyer for them thought he had a killer bargain for a ware-houseful.
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We have turned our A5 parking permits into a tax disc sized circular one and a local
garage has given us there unwanted holders.
It will save members from forgetting to show the permit.
(Our Chairman got caught without his and a charge was applied by a jobsworth >>:-( )
It also advertises the association
Ned
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All major supermarkets use facility management companies to police
the car parks.
OK if you have humans operating the system.
Sainsburys now have ANPR cameras on entry and exit
with screens showing your reg as you enter and leave.
Just make sure yours shows up on leaving or you will
have a fine in the post.
Ned
ours has the sign on entry, but when you leave there is nothing to show which vehicle is exiting.
Grendel
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I wanted to put something different into the holder, instead of just binning a perfectly good holder and after a quick Google for suggestions I found this designed by the Police, which I thought was a sensible alternative :-
http://www.westmercia.police.uk/news/news-articles/police-launch-emergency-contact-disc-as-alternative-to-tax-disc.html (http://www.westmercia.police.uk/news/news-articles/police-launch-emergency-contact-disc-as-alternative-to-tax-disc.html)
Just a bit of Blue Peter work with the scissors and hey presto !
Mike
Here you go if you want to carry it.
Just copy the pictures and print it off.
Regards to all.
Ken
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Private shopping parks that use anpr cannot issue fines for over staying infact they issue you with an invoice which is an invite to pay for your overstay it is not a fine if you dont pay it the ticketing company will be intouch for the money ut as it is only an invitation to pay and not a fine you dont have to pay the companys used to make all sorts of threats to get you to pay something was in the paper a ojt all this the other month
Mark.
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Re car park control by private agencies and not council type parking under road traffic act.
Asda, Tesco, aldi, lidl etc, parking eye and the like. Don't pay, don't enter into any correspondence, ignore further letters/threats until and if you are summoned to county court. If so make sure you attend or they will find against you. If you attend remind the officer that you are in breach of contract, the only penalty for which is damages. The car park people have suffered no damages so I want all my costs thankyou very much.
Jerry.
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Airdrie - we've ONE carpark you have to pay for. The first half-hour's free, then there's a forty pound fine, doubling to eighty if you don't pay within 28 days. This carpark is right next to the surgery. My wife, having arranged an emergency appointment, was parked here for 35 minutes a few months ago. A week later, a letter arrived.
Parking Eye had contacted the DVLA for the car's registered owner details, and sent us the bill.
I wrote to them. I mentioned that under Scottish law, it's the driver who incurs a fine, not the owner, and they had offered no proof of who was driving. I asked them, until FOI rules, who owned by the land in question. I mentioned that the fine was an unfair reflection of 'damages' incurred, and also asked why the same fine would be passed on to someone staying five hours, or five minutes over the allotted time.
They wrote back, suggesting my points were 'too general', and cited one case under English law that they had won, a few years ago.
Stuff that, I thought. They're nothing but a money-grabbing scam designed to rip off the vulnerable, by expecting the 90% to cough up when threatened.
I've heard nothing since.
Andy
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Everybody is out to make a few quid out of people, legally or not. It's getting ridiculous now...soon you'll be getting a parking ticket for stopping in a traffic queue.
I have often displayed this in my windscreen in supermarket (or others) car parks...so far I've been lucky.
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The definitive answer to displaying a tax disc in your windscreen...
Yesterday whilst out in the car to get petrol, I spotted a local Police traffic car parked up round the back of the garage, so I asked the driver for his advice. I'm told that if your tax disc is still current, you may as well leave on it display, and if it's expired then you may as well take it out.
So there you have it...it's up to you.