Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: Brian60 on March 26, 2015, 08:28:14 pm
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Was this taking dazzle paint too far? %% .....
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Effective though!
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Striking, but I assume that's in drab greys, black and white, unlike what they've done up in Liverpool to the Edmund Gardner and the Snowdrop.
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Striking, but I assume that's in drab greys, black and white, unlike what they've done up in Liverpool to the Edmund Gardner and the Snowdrop.
Not sure.
I thought, but stand to be corrected, that on purpose of 'Dazzle' camouflage was to disguise the speed and direction of travel, making if hard for gunners and torpedo operators to plot bearings. If that is the case the ship being visible would not be a problem, and drab would not be needed.
BTW this is purely speculation on my part.
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There was a mass of theories in the various navies. Looking back, any scheme that aimed to confuse range finding told the other navies what your navy thought they were using for rangefinding. Some interesting stuff here - http://io9.com/an-illustrated-history-of-unbelievably-camouflaged-ship-676257937
Schemes could vary on what the perceived threat was, the estimated level of ability of the opposition, the theater, in some cases, the assumed preferred time of day of going into action (Mountbatten Pink?) and what type of confusion was wanted. Some camo could be used to disguise the type of ship, or even if it was a ship in the first place.
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My point was that what they've done up in Liverpool is hideous, in the name of 'modern art'. I'm sure any gunnery officer would have given orders to 'shoot at that ruddy coloured thing over there!'
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My point was that what they've done up in Liverpool is hideous, in the name of 'modern art'. I'm sure any gunnery officer would have given orders to 'shoot at that ruddy coloured thing over there!'
Agreed, but one problem is that to hit the hideously decorated eyesore at any distance you need to get its range, if it moves under all that paint, you have to plot it to guess where your shells should be landing. Another problem is that colour photography did not exist during WW1, so all of the coloured pictures are at best B/W with colour added later, with unknown accuracy but probably much closer that the modern "artist".
I can only hope that the gunnery officer could be persuaded to direct his attention to the present day artist. With the reputation of RN gunnery officers, this could involve either shellfire or cannibalism. Since I am more inclined to believe the artists of the day, either outcome would be satisfactory.
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I can only hope that the gunnery officer could be persuaded to direct his attention to the present day artist. With the reputation of RN gunnery officers, this could involve either shellfire or cannibalism. Since I am more inclined to believe the artists of the day, either outcome would be satisfactory.
:-)) :}
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Dazzle paint scheme was never intended as camouflage, but to make the vessel stand out and confuse the eye of the opposition as to what he is seeing and apparently they did use at times some pretty weird colours.
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Various color schemes found on line.
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Here are some more. These are highly stylized prints but show how the eye would be confused.
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Some that will make you ask question
What is it?
How many ships?
How big are they (see both images)? This question would really affect ranging.
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Here is a challenge, who will be the first to build and paint the refurbished Liverpool Ferry SNOWDROP.
Come on you Liverpool lads. :embarrassed: :-))
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And for anyone who doesn't know . . . .
The ferry in question . . .
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/1CTfGz.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/id1CTfGzj)
Must have been smokin' some good stuff . . . %%
Personally I like a possible Royal Navy interpretation . . . .
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/910/WNhQag.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/paWNhQagj)
Via an imaging program . . . . O0
Bill
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Ferry across the Mersey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32158049 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32158049)
Liverpool's 'Dazzle ship' opens to public to mark WW1 centenary
(http://www.polarismedia.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Cammell-Laird-Snowdrop-dazzle-ferry-C-work-in-progress-DSC_7256.jpg)
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I agree, the artist`s interpretation is far from WW1, more like a 1960/70`s hippy Volkswagen Combi, only missing the flower motif and a peace symbol. The accommodation ship in Orkney does it better.
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I agree, the artist`s interpretation is far from WW1, more like a 1960/70`s hippy Volkswagen Combi, only missing the flower motif and a peace symbol.
I think you've got something there. Thinking of what they (not me, I was far too young-honest!) were smoking back then, maybe the person responsible had some left over..... :D
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I think the 'artist' who also apparently designed the Sgt Pepper album sleeve, is just using it as a excuse to indulge his ego.
On the other hand, painting a Mersey ferry in a scheme which makes it difficult to tell in which direction it is travelling might not altogether be a good idea....
Colin
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Just hope that there's never an insurance accident. "What colour was it?"........."Can you blow in this bag for me, 'Sir'?"
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Actually, if dazzle is to confuse gunnery, range finding, then the Snowdrop has failed. They have very helpfully painted a target on the side. %)
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Once read an article.....that suggested the inspiration and basic concept of the Sgt Pepper album sleeve was 100% Lennon...which I didn't find difficult to accept ;)..... Derek
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You don't really want the dazzle paintjob to be too effective on that ferry though. Whilst it may have helped stop submarines in the war from telling where you are going, it would also help a modern day skipper have heart failure when he realised that the ferry was actually approaching him instead of going away!
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You have to give it to them, only a scouser would paint their local ferry so colourful.
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You would,nt believe the controversy this has caused amongst the Merchant Navy assosiations, its not in keeping ,definitely out of line ...