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Title: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 08, 2015, 09:44:07 pm
Please re position this post if necessary.

Hello to all, I started my boat last week by drawing up the plans. I found some downloadable plans and re drew due to the poor quality and general lack of information. I then started work on cutting out some planks for both the deck and hull. I did this by cutting down the edge of a 18mm thick sheet of pine to a depth of around 4cm and then cut a thickness of 2 to 3 mm along the length with my circular saw. this gave me 2x 8mmwide planks 2.4 m long with each cut. (the blade is 2mm thick) thus 2x8+2mm = 18mm thick.
 Today I glued up all the deck and made a few frames for the hull. tomorrow ill try and finish the deck shape and the rest of the frames. Ill try and get some photos on here as the build progresses.

Now for some beginners questions....
Is one layer of planking (2-3mm thick before sanding) enough for a hull?
The wood is pine, what putty is best to seal and shape the hull with or is that 2 different processes?

This project will be finished, I may be new to boats but I have built lots of other models.... thanks for any advice and help..U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 09, 2015, 09:31:36 am
Hello U2 and welcome to the Forum.

I have just followed this route that are taking, so to save a lengthy dialog here, may I recommend you have a look at the Blog under the title  Seabex One.

Whilst not professing to be in any way clever, it will give you an idea of how I did what you are tackling, and how I am getting around the million problems that it presents.  Please don't copy the bit about the thumb going through the saw blade.  %)

We would indeed like to see some pictures as you go along and will be helping you with any questions.  Scratch building is such a pleasure. I'll move your thread to working oats section once you get started.   :-))


Cheers

ken

Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 09, 2015, 10:14:29 pm
Hi Ken, I have already read the Seabex one thread with great intrest I must say I did learn a few things, some what to do and some what not, eh hem %). So car body filler is good enough over one layer of planking, good, that makes things a lot easier. I have a couple more questions but I will put them in a different section....

I see youre going to move my post to "oats", I heard that bees are in decline but I didn't realise it was to the extent that it now affects forum posts.....  {-)

Lena..... well today I finished shaping the deck and made almost all of the "bulkheads" not frames as I put in my previous post. eh hem :} I will get round to posting pics..... U2

Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 10, 2015, 09:01:39 pm
I had a good building day today and got some more bulkheads made,  :-)) I also managed to make the blocks which will hold the masts as well as making a start on the rowing boat that sits on the ship.
The blocks for the masts were plunge routered to create a good smooth hole then the fronts and backs of the blocks were cut and sanded to produce the rake angle when fixed between two bulkheads. Care had to be taken because the tops of the bulkheads have a slight difference in height above the water line due to a deck that is lower in the middle compared to the bow and stern. one of the bulkheads also doubled up as a support for the motor. I ran out of bulkhead material otherwise I would have had them finished.
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 12, 2015, 08:22:59 pm
I took some photos yesterday so I might be able to get them on here soon.

Today I managed to finish all the bulkheads and started to connect them. Another day like today and I think it will be time to start planking the hull :-))

Im off to try and get the photos uploaded...... U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 15, 2015, 10:50:10 pm
Finally some photos!

First I drew the plans...

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09731_zpsinhg2ucb.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09731_zpsinhg2ucb.jpg.html)


then I made some bulkheads and incorporated the mast supports...


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09741_zpsdclzlktl.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09741_zpsdclzlktl.jpg.html)


I made a deck..


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09751_zpswt844ssc.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09751_zpswt844ssc.jpg.html)


Then cut some more planks




(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09771_zpstqbpvgy2.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09771_zpstqbpvgy2.jpg.html)




Strange shape structure but I'm sure it'll work


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09781_zps67eo22d8.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09781_zps67eo22d8.jpg.html)


We'll see how it turns out later...... Hopefully
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09791_zpsgklbqekh.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09791_zpsgklbqekh.jpg.html)


A side view..


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09801_zpskpzp4b5o.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09801_zpskpzp4b5o.jpg.html)




This planking is taking ages, I've been on it for two days now and it's still not finished...


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09811_zps9d66xjbf.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09811_zps9d66xjbf.jpg.html)




My OH insisted that her teddies with new knitted hats get in on the picture, she thinks that they are going on the finished boat....... She thinks wrong.
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09821_zpsg3mkf6vm.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09821_zpsg3mkf6vm.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: derekwarner on May 16, 2015, 02:53:56 am
Hi U2.........planking to me is expressing a work of beauty in model ship building, however a few comments & questions

1. I agree planking thickness to ~~~3 mm is a good start :-))  for a hull of these proportions
2. What type of glue are you using?
3. pine timber is a fast growing coarse grained timber and prone to splitting when bent, although I see no evidence in your planking
4. you mention you drew the plans......did you create the water lines & hence the frame profiles?

The reason I ask is not a criticism ...simply an observation of a profile glitch between frames 7, 8 & 9.......[I have the Tee Shirt from a previous build]

I have marked one frame in green where it looks too fat, I have also marked also marked the next frame in red where it looks to skinny

The result here is that the planking over the frames 7, 8 & 9 loses the smooth contour flow...and is a series of straight lengths & bumps

When we view the end elevation plan in the hull profiles view below we see the profile of frame 8 may be the glitch.... Derek
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 16, 2015, 06:52:37 am
Hello Derek and thank you for taking the time to look at my build.
The reason that the frames look a little fat and or skinny is a little technique I am trying. First all the frames are made to the same 5mm thickness, (see earlier photos) then where there is a curve in the hull I added some extra thickness and sanded it to the hull contour. I only did this because the extra surface area allows for more adhesion to hold the planks in place. Once in place I have three mm thickness to be able to sand and get a lovely smooth contour. It seems to be working so far although time will tell.

I got the plans from freeship plans. Two sheets, one sheet is a drawing of the ship and the other is a side and plan view. The size of the drawing is about 15cm total length and if you try to zoom in it goes all pixelated and blurred. Add to that all the details are numbered for a close up view (about 15 items) but only 3 or 4 are shown bigger. mmm >>:-(

I copied as much as I could onto a bigger sheet by zooming the scale on the screen to 1metre =1cm and multiplying by 4. that gave me a 26metre boat turning out at 104cm model. The frames numbered 1 to 9 were on the drawing, the a,b,c and d frames were added by me to give a little more structural support.

I just had another look at the photo and realise that it may be the camera angle that makes it look a bit flat because on the boat its a lovely smooth curve :-))

As for the glue well erm (U2 lowers his head and twists his right foot from right to left) its superglue.......
I tested a few planks by gluing them and then trying to snap them apart and it was always the wood which broke first so I assume its strong enough.
I will be sealing all the wood both inside and out before im finished.

and the point about the wood splitting, your right some did, I bend it before gluing it in place and the ones that split didn't get used.

As long as it floats and looks reasonable when its finished I'll be happy...... watch this space. U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 16, 2015, 07:19:27 am
On the plan there is something in front of the ships wheel. Its a poor plan and the detail of this item is missing. I am assuming its possibly a compass of some description. Could this be a good assumption for a boat built around 1875?

any help appreciated...... info photos drawings   anything really, thanks.     U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: derekwarner on May 16, 2015, 07:59:49 am
U2......if this the item you describe........GOOGLE ships binnacle..........there are 100's of images .......as you suspect, it is the stand housing for the ships compass :-)) ...... Derek
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 16, 2015, 09:14:31 pm
Ah Derek, yes it is and thank you for that. I'm glad I put the drawing on it came in handy along with your squiggly pen.

Today I managed to build all the 'bridge?' and I will now google the binnacle so I can finish it off tomorrow. I made a couple of photos but they're not going on tonight.... maybe tomorrow.    U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 17, 2015, 09:12:40 pm
Yesterdays and todays photos...

Todays efforts..... :-)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09861_zpsudnjqd7p.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09861_zpsudnjqd7p.jpg.html)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09871_zpsrovojjbu.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09871_zpsrovojjbu.jpg.html)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/9b8d340d-5af5-4b3f-9f08-864924e90ca4_zpsln7ryi7f.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/9b8d340d-5af5-4b3f-9f08-864924e90ca4_zpsln7ryi7f.jpg.html)

Yesterdays efforts....

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09841_zpsbqw30jkj.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09841_zpsbqw30jkj.jpg.html)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09851_zpsfl33w6nx.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN09851_zpsfl33w6nx.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: smileyjon on May 26, 2015, 09:22:16 pm
Fascinating  . . . . great stuff  :-)


Jon
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: PICKETBOAT on May 31, 2015, 09:10:33 am
Hi unsinkable 2


This is excellent for a first build. My first build was carved from the solid. I had not got the confidence to attempt plank on frame. Well done. :-))


 My only observation is that when building scale wooden ship models it's always a good idea to choose the timber carefully and try and get some stock built up before you start cutting.
 Pine is readily available and cheap however it brings it's own problems, The grain structure on a lot of modern pine (not all varieties) reflect it's quick growing nature, and the wide bands of the grain are often not to scale. This is not a problem if in it's eventual finish it is painted, however quick grown pine can contain a lot of resin which in certain warm conditions can come through the paint and cause problems. Bending course grain timber can be a problem too. For future reference an excellent timber for hull construction is Canary Poplar (sometimes called Tulip wood). It has a fine grain, contains no resin, is stable, glues well and is soft enough to easily machine and sand. In strips it can be practically tied in a knot so bending is easy. Your local timber yard should be able to get you some. It's down side is that it's colour can vary from white through green to dark purple, so it's probably best for painted hulls. Deck planking is best done with Lime wood (Bass wood if you're in the USA) or Sycamore which is very good but a bit harder to sand.


Open grained timbers like Oak, Teak and some of the Mahogany family are ill suited to scale models (but great for full sized vessels). Again the open grain looks out of scale and needs an immense amount of filling to get a decent painted or varnished finish.


Non of the above is intended as a criticism of this excellent model. I just wish some one had told me the above when I set off building ship models. It would have saved a lot of time.


Keep up the build log as I would like to see the finished model.       
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 31, 2015, 08:05:53 pm
Picketboat, wow, thanks for the info and for the nice comments. Gulp, I never thought about wood choice it was just a spur of the moment decision to build a boat and I had an 18mm thick 2.4metre sheet of pine so I just cut it into strips and off I went.....


I was lucky enough to meet a woodworker who supplied me with about 8 (I'll check next time I'm in the garage) pieces of different types of wooden off cuts. You can see two different kinds I used to build the boxes that sit on the deck. I live in France and the guy wrote all the names on the wood in French so I'll have to translate them and see what I have got. I'll finish the hull with the pine and then seal it and hope that there is no resin leak. If there is, well I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.....

As for the grain, well the hull will be painted and the deck will be stained. The deck will be somewhat out of scale but hey it's a beginners mistake and I'm learning as I go along...... :-))

I took some more photos yesterday so if I can prize the computer off my daughter I'll upload the photos......U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: ballastanksian on May 31, 2015, 08:29:26 pm
I have agonised over wether it is more economic to cut your own or buy ready cut planks.

Bandsaw blades can be costly to replace unless you know of a local sawwright who can reweld the blade together (assuming it isn't blunt!) and circular saw blades waste a lot of wood per cut, and need sharpening to get the best cut. There has been a recent thread about narrow cut circular saw blades on this forum.

Obviously you are enjoying your build suggesting that the choice of wood has not been an issue, so if free, this negates my thoughts, but if you go down the route of buying timbers, it may be worth costing the one way of obtaining planks against the other.

At the end of the day it is our hobby initially as an individual pastime when building our model, so you have a budget or a source of cheap (or even better FREE!) material, so it is the choice of the individual wether to cut their own or but ready cut strips.

I love seeing people making plank on frame hulls, and while I respect that GRP is a more stable material, the smell and feel of wood is peerless. I look forward to see how your build goes.
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 31, 2015, 10:01:24 pm
Balastanksian, hi there, once again I never even considered the cost I just had the wood at hand and I cut it with the saw I have. After reading a few threads, posts and replies on here I would definitely consider the type of wood if I build another boat and also maybe even see my local woodworker who provided the samples to see about cutting the strips.... :-))

meanwhile.... some more photos..... :-))
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 31, 2015, 10:09:14 pm
Latest photos.....

I did some more planks....
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10341_zpsch0dtbwl.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10341_zpsch0dtbwl.jpg.html)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10351_zpsq7s7hwkx.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10351_zpsq7s7hwkx.jpg.html)

But only one side is finished (I know your supposed to build evenly but hey.....)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10381_zps2z392tbl.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10381_zps2z392tbl.jpg.html)

The masts line up pretty well....
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/89efd5a1-3d28-4a64-b185-3237f6a95380_zps4c9nkhsd.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/89efd5a1-3d28-4a64-b185-3237f6a95380_zps4c9nkhsd.jpg.html)

I made/ finished some more bits
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10401_zpsfdniwz7x.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10401_zpsfdniwz7x.jpg.html)

And placed them on the deck to have an idea what they might be like...
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10411_zpskx6frqwu.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10411_zpskx6frqwu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 31, 2015, 10:16:24 pm
I decided with help from you guys that there were no skylights in the deck and that they must be coal scupper covers...
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10431_zpsdgfps1j3.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10431_zpsdgfps1j3.jpg.html)

The chimney support will be raised as needed when the time arrives
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10441_zpseujfjlwt.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10441_zpseujfjlwt.jpg.html)

General rear view
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10451_zpsvvg4e8k9.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10451_zpsvvg4e8k9.jpg.html)

General front view
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10461_zpsdmitp2zq.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10461_zpsdmitp2zq.jpg.html) ...... U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 07, 2015, 08:43:45 am
I have had a busy week at work this week so I didn't manage to get as much as usual done on my boat. This week its a different shift so I should be able to progress again. That said I did receive my order from Steve at model bits..  :} but when I checked the prop was too small  >:-o NOT Steves fault  :} I had ordered the wrong one  :embarrassed: Ill contact him and ask about an exchange as I haven't opened the packet. ;)

I did however manage to install the propshaft and run the motor as well as make some non working boat hoists......  update photos this evening all being well....  U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 09, 2015, 08:39:13 pm
Mmmm all wasn't well, my computer plays up now and again but its OK today so here are my updates....

I fitted the motor and positioned the rudder servo....
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10471_zpsyqxfck2x.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10471_zpsyqxfck2x.jpg.html)

I somehow expected the UJ to be a bit smaller but they are great...
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10511_zpsey6cwq0u.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10511_zpsey6cwq0u.jpg.html)

The motor is secure and runs smooth albeit only in one direction at the moment
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10521_zpshmxiw8xq.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10521_zpshmxiw8xq.jpg.html)

It lines up reasonably well which is good enough for me
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10481_zpsqzp7lo3i.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10481_zpsqzp7lo3i.jpg.html)

then I made some bits,
 (please note that as a first build I am only trying to recreate "a good likeness" of things and not a full scale replica)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10501_zpszscl9ofe.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10501_zpszscl9ofe.jpg.html)

Made some "sticky out bits" around the propshaft...Oh and slapped on a ton of filler...
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10491_zpsaowbszjg.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10491_zpsaowbszjg.jpg.html)

Then removed 3/4 of a ton of filler to obtain a reasonable shape....... for starters
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10591_zpss9ui9j7s.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10591_zpss9ui9j7s.jpg.html)

More soon............... hope you like it    U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: PICKETBOAT on June 09, 2015, 10:07:08 pm
This looks excellent. Can't believe it's a first build! :-))


Please remember that just filler on wood, subsequently painted, can expand and contract letting in water. A good plan is to coat the outer hull surface with GRP resin and tissue. When sanded down this forms a good surface to paint. Many modellers also use the same combination on the inside (between frames) to create a very stable and strong hull.


Glad you discovered Mr Tranter who is an excellent supplier and very helpful.   
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 10, 2015, 07:10:57 pm
Thanks Picketboat, I never even thought of that. I have coated the inside with resin (well most of it, the rest tomorrow) I did it whilst there was still a hole in the side (see above photo) I should have done it on the underside of the blocks that connect the frames but I forgot. Luckily I realised before it was to late and coated them.
 I finished the planking today so tomorrow I'll coat the new planks. I also plan to lay some fibreglass mat pieces soaked in resin all over the inside and incorporate some ballast (lead shot) in the resin.
 As well as that I intend to have two removable pieces of ballast and two interchangeable different weight and length keels. IE remove the heavy ballast and add the heavy keel, depending on conditions. OTT? I hope not!
More photos when I get something done...... U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 16, 2015, 09:32:25 pm
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10611_zpsje3mmyam.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10611_zpsje3mmyam.jpg.html)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10601_zpslpd5arkq.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10601_zpslpd5arkq.jpg.html)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10621_zpsssbdx3oh.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10621_zpsssbdx3oh.jpg.html)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10631_zpsygvr7jbm.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10631_zpsygvr7jbm.jpg.html)
Looks like a GRP mould....
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10641_zpsmsbpaqrd.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10641_zpsmsbpaqrd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 16, 2015, 09:47:07 pm
Some gremlins keep nickin me photos <*<   Ill try again tomorrow......U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: PICKETBOAT on June 16, 2015, 09:51:10 pm
Hi U2


It is always a bit of a dilemma, covering up all the hard work with a coat of paint, but then again try and remember that you are creating a scale replica. We all try and get our finished model as close as possible to the "prototype" vessel. Along the way lots of hard work ends up cover in the process.
You seem to be getting a nice finish on the hull. Hard work but well done.
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 18, 2015, 07:25:09 am
Thanks for that Picketboat.
Got some bits added to the hull yesterday. I don't know if they have a name  :embarrassed:   but they are like long bumpers that travel along the sides of the boat. Got the other side to finish then it'll be ready for a lick of paint :-)) .


Mm seems the Gremlins have given my photos back  <*< ....... Good!       U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 19, 2015, 10:10:57 pm
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Looks like they've taken them away again ........................... {-)

ken
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 20, 2015, 09:20:59 pm
Blooming gremlins >>:-( <*<  mmmmm think I've frightened them off..... If so then here is a photo of my workings out for raising and lowering the sails ........


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpszgoltkzb.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpszgoltkzb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 20, 2015, 09:35:30 pm
Oh seems it worked! :-))


In that case here is yesterday's efforts.....
I made a tool for drawing a straight line on a curved surface.......
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpswrofq93s.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpswrofq93s.jpg.html)


Then I drew the lines and masked the boat....


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpskl17w7yn.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpskl17w7yn.jpg.html)




(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg3_zpsaoacqs1m.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg3_zpsaoacqs1m.jpg.html)


Then sprayed the line....
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg4_zpsxmcmxvow.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg4_zpsxmcmxvow.jpg.html)


Hooray it worked....


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg5_zpsm0mzndah.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg5_zpsm0mzndah.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 20, 2015, 10:35:25 pm
I think I have sorted out how to post pictures with my iPad now :-)  it should be simpler but it's a little fiddly  :(( 
Today I also managed to install the 🚬 machine and the 🔈, hopefully a bit more work on my ⛵️ tomorrow. But now it's time for 🍻 and bed.
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Mad Scientist on June 20, 2015, 11:21:55 pm
About your sail - you could probably eliminate the center line on your gaff. I've seen rigs like yours with just the ends of the gaff having 'inhauls', and the simpler, the better. :-) - Tom
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 21, 2015, 07:11:01 am
Mad Scientist thanks for the input as I have never done anything like this before and I am just experimenting. (No pun intended  %% )
My original thought was to run the lines at different angles, one parallel with the mast, one with the trailing edge of the sail and one down the middle.
But luckily I always draw things before I make them and realised that as the sail is lowered the distance between the lines gets wider and that would stretch the eyelets and damage something.


So I just adjusted them until they ran parallel. After having thought about what you said I think I will go with two lines running through the sail but will keep the third attached to the top for a backup should one break.


So I will now have rings around the mast and two lines running through the sail with a third central fixture. I will carry on this route and post any findings here. Meanwhile if anyone else has any ideas, input or experience of this sort of thing then I'll gladly listen.


More soon........ U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: JimG on June 21, 2015, 12:49:57 pm


So I will now have rings around the mast and two lines running through the sail with a third central fixture. I will carry on this route and post any findings here. Meanwhile if anyone else has any ideas, input or experience of this sort of thing then I'll gladly listen.


More soon........ U2

Hi U2

The top of the sail is usually attached to a gaff boom and the lines attach to the gaff not the sail. This way the top does not change when the gaff is lowered. See the rough sketch below.

Jim
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 21, 2015, 08:42:56 pm
Hi Jim, thanks for that. I certainly need help on this one. What I am trying to achieve is a remote lowering of the sail but at the same time once the sail so lowered I am trying to get it so that it folds itself so the trailing edge of the sail doesn't blow open. To do that I am going to weave the lines through the sail via eyelets. Unfortunately attaching the lines to the gaff boom won't allow for the sail folding itself when lowered, hence I have to attach the lines to the sail. %%
Well like I said it's just an experiment and I'm sure I will encounter lots of problems as I go along but I don't mind as it's fun trying.


If I get too much resistance with the lines and eyelets then I will go down your route. Thanks for the input! U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Mad Scientist on June 23, 2015, 09:56:42 pm
Hello, U2!

I have an idea ( %% ) about your sails. Here's a sketch of a 'typical' gaff rig, with halyards at the throat and peak (i.e. at either end of the gaff):
(http://s5.postimg.org/5e12epunb/gaffrig_Page_1.jpg)
Ahh, finally got it on the fifth try!
If you would provide the 'a' and 'b' measurements for your sails, I'll get to work. :-)

Tom
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 24, 2015, 08:30:26 pm
Grrr  <*<  gremlins just stole my post halfway through..... (Internet wifi cuts out occasionally with my iPad and when it comes back all info typed in this box unposted disappears.)


Tom it was a reply to you.... No more time now so in brief. A 20cm B 25. I'll explain another time.....
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Mad Scientist on June 24, 2015, 09:04:00 pm
Thanks, U-2. I'll get right on it. Might take a day or two, but definitely by Saturday. - Tom
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 25, 2015, 08:30:57 pm
Hi again Tom, what exactly are you going to do or work out?


I wrote a big reply last night and just as I was about to post my wifi cut and I lost everything I was writing. >>:-( , but it was something along the lines of 'I might have figured out what to do' but will gladly accept other ideas for when mine doesn't work...... They usually don't  {:-{ .


But then something else cropped up...... See next post.
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 25, 2015, 08:49:10 pm
DISASTER  <:( ...... After a bit of fiddling with the rudder position a couple of days ago I suddenly realised that the prop shaft was actually about 1cm higher than it should be  {:-{ . I considered all options and then bit the bullet and cut a large chunk out of the back of my boat >:-o i
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpsmj352yqb.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpsmj352yqb.jpg.html)


I then had to fill the hole with blocks big enough to drill straight without coming through the sides.


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsnkxrwnrc.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsnkxrwnrc.jpg.html)


Then once drilled I had to remove not only the excess but a bit more as well so I could add a layer of filler thick enough to sand to shape. Once I had done that I coated all the wood with fibreglass resin.


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zps3izpcg1v.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zps3izpcg1v.jpg.html)


And finally got it almost back to shape before running out of filler......
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsr2xt2rdi.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsr2xt2rdi.jpg.html)


Should be done tomorrow afternoon and then it's re paint and rudder fitting. If all goes well then it's first water will be this weekend to get an idea about ballast...... %%   ......... U2

Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Mad Scientist on June 25, 2015, 10:07:47 pm
Hi again Tom, what exactly are you going to do or work out?


I wrote a big reply last night and just as I was about to post my wifi cut and I lost everything I was writing. >>:-( , but it was something along the lines of 'I might have figured out what to do' but will gladly accept other ideas for when mine doesn't work...... They usually don't  {:-{ .


But then something else cropped up...... See next post.

I am working on a system to hoist/lower your sails when underway, just because I've never heard of it being done.

Too bad about the propshaft! These things happen to full-size ships, too. An icebreaker needed a new bow. When it was finished, the shipyard realized that it had been made 30cm too narrow. An expensive mistake! - Tom
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 26, 2015, 12:58:14 pm
Cheers Tom, let's see what we can accomplish between us O0 .   U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 28, 2015, 09:03:40 pm
 :}  Everything went to plan  :-))  I managed to finish the repair, paint her and get her into the water for a quick test :} :} :}   the boat sat quite high in the water and so the rudder was not as effective as I would have liked BUT once the waterline has been achieved it will be another 20% submerged and should be more effective. There was also a bit of a current on the water so that didn't help. That said it was good to see her in the water and moving under her own power :}


 Once I got home I thought it best to find the correct ballast in the garage so I had to make a test tank 8)  any water I used went on the garden afterwards :police: . 




First I finished the repair..........


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsr2xt2rdi.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsr2xt2rdi.jpg.html)


Then, well you have to draw the line somewhere..........


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpskx6rnly1.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpskx6rnly1.jpg.html)




Once I got home I popped her into the home made test tank...


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpsxypbeses.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpsxypbeses.jpg.html)


Loaded her with cargo to find the correct waterline


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsizeprobl.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsizeprobl.jpg.html)




And sailed her from almost one end of my workbench to almost the other with her precious cargo of garden rocks and gaffer tape


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg3_zps8vmbeti0.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg3_zps8vmbeti0.jpg.html)

Pics of today's outing coming soon to a screen near you, (as soon as I can get the camera of OH)

It won't be long now and it'll be first proper outing...... :}     U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on June 29, 2015, 07:02:32 am
We love photos here on Mayhem :} :-))........ especially on the water...... finished or not %)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN00731_zpsvwgr07dq.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN00731_zpsvwgr07dq.jpg.html)     

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/abc81ae2-3f58-4096-9790-614e9bc0c43e_zpseulbhvve.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/abc81ae2-3f58-4096-9790-614e9bc0c43e_zpseulbhvve.jpg.html)   

 U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: mark w on July 05, 2015, 01:44:52 am
U2,


Looks great in the water  :-)) . What is the length/beam/draught of your model, and what scale is it ? Do you have any photo's of the prototype ship?


Keep up the good work,


Mark
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: SteveB66 on July 05, 2015, 09:39:55 am
Looking good  :-))
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: PICKETBOAT on July 05, 2015, 12:39:23 pm
U2


Looks pretty good from where I'm standing. If your model is eventually going to be sailing under sail (as well as power) you might find she crabs to leeward quite a lot. I discovered this with my scale sailing models. It results from a physics problem associated with scaling prototype vessels down together with water/wind not behaving to scale. I overcame this by fitting a removable transparent keel extension which added "bite" in the water, can't be seen when sailing, but could be taken off when the model was displayed.


I am envious of you sailing lake and all the sunshine, both in short supply here in Scotland.
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on July 05, 2015, 03:07:03 pm
Thanks guys nice comments make everyone day :} .


Mark,
 it's 104cm long 20cm wide and 12cm deep (mmm I'll double check that!) as for the prototype ship, well no photos or info just 2 very small pics to build it from (I scaled it up myself to what works out at 1/25 ish.) if you google 'Lena ship' on images you should get a black and white drawing of the ship which is half of the plan.........


Cheers Steve more photos soon......


Picketboat,
  I didn't know about the crab effect (thanks for the heads up) but I have already been experimenting with a removable keel simply because I thought it might help to reduce the model tipping over,unfortunately  with less than perfect results. I have a steel plate resinned (fixed in with resin) into the bottom of the hull and I made a keel with 2 very powerful magnets. Unfortunately with the weight at the end of the pendulum so to speak it broke free just a little to easily. ( I'll post photos even though I wasn't going to) so now I'm in the process of changing my design. It's going to be fitted with two tubes that slide into two larger tubes. Only two holes in the hull and the top will be above the waterline........ Again photos to follow........U2

Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: PICKETBOAT on July 05, 2015, 04:54:48 pm
U2


Your keel arrangement (with the tubes extending above water line) is the direction to go. You're  certainly picking this boat building up quick. I found that the addition of two small rubber or neoprene washers and a smear of lubricant, under the retaining nut heads prevented any water ingress and also stopped the nuts working free. No need to over tighten the nuts either, just enough to slightly crush the rubber washer. I use a knurled brass nut which can be finger tightened. Messing with spanners at pond side is a pain. The tubes may extend above waterline but the up and down movement of the model tends to drive some water up the tube and you could end up with some sloshing around in the bilge. The washers stop this.


The addition of  ballast as a "bomb weight" on the end of the removable keel is also a good move and will vastly improve stability and the stiffness of the model under sail.


Watching to see developments.


I'm sure you can't wait to take command of her under sail, in the mean time I thought you might like this picture of one of my models struggling in a heavy sea, under reduced sail. Great fun.   
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on July 05, 2015, 06:42:04 pm
Oh wow I can't wait, if mine turns out half as nice as that I'll be a happy chap.....


In the meantime it was fiddling with wires time today, extensions etc. I now have reverse and some servos in place.


Here is a picture of the abandoned magnetic keel.... And with it removed to show the magnets.


Magnetic keel with the weight removed....(holds 800g but not very secure) idea scrapped........
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpsgi8psyok.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpsgi8psyok.jpg.html)


You can see the magnets covered in body filler.


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsoyagapxw.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsoyagapxw.jpg.html)   U2

Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on July 21, 2015, 08:25:58 pm
Well shipmates it's been some time since my last update and that's been because I've been away at HOGWARTS studying 'THE BLACK ARTS' there's been some magic smoke a lot of hair pulling, chopping and changing positions of things but I got there in the end and managed to fit


A fwd sail hoist winch
A rear sail hoist winch
A beam tightness winch
A sound unit
A sound unit on off switch
A sound unit speaker
A 12v lead acid battery
A main power on off switch
A smoke machine
A smoke machine on off switch
An ESC
A reciever
A removable keel tube
A 3S Lipo 2200 MHz
And about 2Kilos of lead into the bottom of my boat........


Here's the first attempt at the wiring diagram...........


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg3_zpsgyxbf5pj.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg3_zpsgyxbf5pj.jpg.html)


And here it is without winch ropes or switch identifying labels yet....
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsivcaghtb.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsivcaghtb.jpg.html)


U2


Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on July 21, 2015, 08:36:20 pm

Tidy layout.     :-))     :-))

You haven't forgotten the fuses have you. 

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on July 21, 2015, 09:16:18 pm
Actually, er yeah :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: . That's what caused the magic smoke. Here's the thing though, on the HOGWARTS BLACK ARTS COURSE they didn't teach me anything about what size shape or amp fuses to fit, so my idea was to ask on Mayhem once I knew everything worked, which it does as of today. Seems you beat me to it {-) . Any suggestions?    U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: derekwarner on July 22, 2015, 02:05:16 am
U2.... Black Art circuit courses are great aren't they  {-)...so all very good, however are winch 1, winch 2 and winch 3....connected by WiFi?.....

Or some new invisible form of motive control? :o......
Or is this a new concept to ensure they don't >>:-( burn out?........

We also have these .... Black Art circuit courses in OZ, however I have yet to pass the theoretical parts of the examination.... Derek  %%.....
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on July 22, 2015, 01:39:41 pm
Oh yeah Derek your right :-))  they are indeed magical as they are not connected on the drawing but yet they work in real life (luckily for me not the other way round). I did it as I went along to remind me of what I did, then I re drew it and once finished I threw the wrong one away :D .......oops the speaker on off actually cuts the power and not just the connection....... And the 3rd on off switch is connected to the smoke unit power line. :-)) ..... I cant believe I actually got it all to work..... When I say work I mean all the parts are doing what they should but now I have to fit masts and sails and see if I can get them to raise and lower remotely........... WE SHALL SEE........  %%     U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: PICKETBOAT on July 22, 2015, 02:05:11 pm
Hi U2


I hope you are keeping a careful eye on weight. It so easy to keep adding equipment and then discover you have about 2mm of free board! I know, I have done it.
Having said that, it all looks heat and tidy below decks.
Fitting some sort of waterproof seal around removable hatches is a good idea on working models functioning under sail. Plus ensuring wash ports or wash ways work. Inevitably the deck will nearly always ship some water and like a real vessel you want to get rid of it PDQ and not into the electrics.
Keep those pictures coming. 
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on July 22, 2015, 07:26:42 pm
Hi again Picketboat, she was a little high in the water the first time I tested her so I added weight but kept in mind that I would be adding the deck the masts and sails plus all the other stuff. I worked it out including an 800g keel. However I have decided to change that to a 400g removable keel. Here it is........


Today.....




(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpskbsyep6p.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpskbsyep6p.jpg.html)


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsuwfha4pa.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpsuwfha4pa.jpg.html)




(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg3_zpsmy1xzl86.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg3_zpsmy1xzl86.jpg.html)


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg4_zps0jwf8eoe.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg4_zps0jwf8eoe.jpg.html)


For the eagle eyed amongst you (Derek, Kenny, Etc ha ha I'm sure there are plenty of others but who just don't post for whatever reason....) you may notice that there is a gap between the keel and the hull. No worries it just isn't screwed in yet. There is a layer of filler which was pressed against the hull with cling film to stop adhesion. There are two copper tubes, an inner and an outer. The fit is almost perfect and once coated with a film of grease it will not leak. It tightens down with a screw bonded inside a round piece of wood and a rubber ring (thanks Picketboat) and (will) screw into a nut inside the inner copper tube. Thus closing the gap.


The second and third holes you see in the photos are 1 you won't see it on the finished item, and 2 a small hole for a locating pin I fitted to avoid unwanted rotation....... More soon.  U2



Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on July 22, 2015, 07:30:11 pm
It was me that took the last photo, honestly, NOT A CYBERMAN...... %%          U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on July 28, 2015, 12:48:02 pm

Chimney made and fitted......
The chimney and operating servo are attached to a saddle bracket which is a push fit over the smoke machine which itself is a push fit into a removable bracket. The reason for this is to allow access should it be necessary. The whole system is removable and replaceable in under 2 minutes. Even though it's a good tight push fit it will be secured by the removable deck piece insert.
The reason for the folding chimney is that the original boat had to fold the chimney to allow the aft boom to operate.


Chimney up....
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpshvsdbajp.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zpshvsdbajp.jpg.html)

Chimney down
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpslh4lmwhy.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg2_zpslh4lmwhy.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on July 28, 2015, 12:53:56 pm
Large access hole cut in the deck......  %%  Now to make something to fill it and make sure it doesn't leak %% ......


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg5_zpsbktasjxb.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg5_zpsbktasjxb.jpg.html)       




       U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on July 30, 2015, 08:19:53 pm
Final deck fit.......


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zps046npz0b.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zps046npz0b.jpg.html)


Oh good all went well so I finished painting the hull......... And then took it for another sail.... :-))    U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on July 30, 2015, 08:21:48 pm
Mmmmm the second photo didn't appear  :(( , here it is  :}


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zps3tprnp0z.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image.jpg1_zps3tprnp0z.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on July 30, 2015, 08:31:14 pm
Another beginners mistake, after cutting the hole in the deck so I have full access to all the interior I realised that the bridge fits over the hole :embarrassed: . I wanted to glue the bridge to the deck so I could attach the ships wheel to the rudder via ropes so that it turns when I turn the rudder........ Ah well I'll have to come up with something else, I'll get it working somehow.   U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on August 02, 2015, 09:38:20 pm
Well well what a great day...... :}  I managed to finish all the varnish yesterday so today I fitted all the removable deck covers. There are 3. One large one for all the switches the removable keel/keel plug and access to the lipo battery as well as winch servos. One that the bridge is fastened to. (This is because I don't want to remove the bridge every time but do need access underneath occasionally.) and the third gives access to the smoke machine chimney servo rudder servo and motor. There is also a sub deck access cover which is secured with small wooden dowels. When this is removed I have access to the 12v battery terminals. I needed to charge it yesterday and had to remove the internal covers...... Photos tomorrow. 


I also started to add a few details........ Then waterproofed the deck and removable covers and took her out on the sea........ FANTASTIC!....... Pics tomorrow.    U2




Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on August 03, 2015, 08:38:45 am
OK pics of the removable decks etc later.... I couldn't wait and had to get her in the sea (still far from finished but getting there) :-))

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10881_zps33qyvlg1.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10881_zps33qyvlg1.jpg.html)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10891_zpskbrrqm7a.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10891_zpskbrrqm7a.jpg.html)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10861_zps36fzgz3x.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10861_zps36fzgz3x.jpg.html)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10851_zpscnjahszs.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10851_zpscnjahszs.jpg.html)

I was about to sail her and photograph her with smoking funnel but decided to double check the battery power. On doing so I inadvertently broke a solder connection >>:-( STILL better on land than out at sea ;) 5 min repair back at the workshop..... photos of the FANTASTIC V4 SUPERSMOKER it really does smoke. Plumes of smoke rose into the air and made her look like she had a real burner inside. very much to the scale of the boat I might add..... :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))   U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on August 03, 2015, 08:44:50 am
Note for observant people....... The reason for the sail being so high is because its the rear sail and has to clear the folded chimney :o
it was quickly secured with bits of string because I couldn't wait........ the big kid in me just had to get it sailing :} :} :}

There is a lot of experimenting to do yet with the sails and all will be shown on here in time..... hope you like whats happening so far,... U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 03, 2015, 08:47:28 am
 
Looking Good!    :-))
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: mark w on August 04, 2015, 12:01:51 am
Very nice indeed  :} .


Mark
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on August 21, 2015, 09:06:31 pm
Getting there now.....

a working ships wheel, I just attached it the same way the original boat attached it.......
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10941_zpsvytvhnow.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10941_zpsvytvhnow.jpg.html)

ships binnacle (thanks Derek. see page 1)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10981_zpspyi52pt4.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10981_zpspyi52pt4.jpg.html)

one sail roughly positioned
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10991_zpsyn5voywf.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN10991_zpsyn5voywf.jpg.html)

more soon...... U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: mark w on August 21, 2015, 09:08:10 pm
 :-))


Mark
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on August 21, 2015, 09:19:50 pm
Thanks Mark

Heres the other side view.... note the boom touching the funnel, it wont once its tensioned OR when the funnel is folded and its sailing under wind power alone......
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN11001_zps6selyvko.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN11001_zps6selyvko.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on September 18, 2015, 03:05:11 pm
Well it's been some time what with one thing and another and then to top off all that my boat has decided to have another electrical problem. This is a serious one, enough to make me give up hope of ever floating her again <:( <:( <:( ......


With charged batteries my system works fine for a minute or two and then either the reciever light turns red and nothing responds or it all goes dead except the ESC. Switching the main power off and back on (on the boat but not the radio) usually re sets it to normal for another minute or so. Switching the radio off just causes the receiver light to turn red and then back to green once its switched back on.


The chimney is raised and lowered through a servo slow and takes 3 to 4 seconds (looks great) except when the problem arises and it shoots up or down. I have 3 sail winch servos and when the problem starts they just turn slowly until they stop.


I have changed the ESC and tried a different reciever, same result
I assume it's not the transmitter as that can't cut the power


That leaves three winch servos, a rudder servo, a smoke machine, (on a separate 12v system but connected to the receiver via a brushed ESC with a wire cut) a sound machine on the same 12v system which the motor ESC runs through and the 12v gel battery (for the 12v system which powers the things just mentioned)


QUESTION? If the 12v battery was damaged in any way (not visibly) but still charged to 15 volts before the charger switches itself off could it be the problem?


I'm going to unplug everything and re plug one at a time and see if I can narrow it down but failing that it's going to be a very expensive dust collector............. U2 {:-{
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on September 18, 2015, 04:58:07 pm

First thing to test when it stops working is the voltage on the battery.

You haven't said how many amps it's rated at.

ken

 
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on September 18, 2015, 09:18:58 pm
Hi Kenny, when the problem first occurred I was told "it's probably a low voltage on a battery" the Lipo was fully charged and when I connected the 12v to the charger it was at 12. Something (1 or 2) and charged to 15v before switching off.


I will re check the voltage tomorrow.


It's such a shame as I worked on it every day (almost) for 4 months and now just as I finished the sails which only leaves the hand rail and a few deck features, it would have been finished, about a weeks work, but instead I've lost interest as I have no idea of how to resolve intermittent electrical faults. :((


I should have just built a yacht.......... {:-{ U2


Oops didn't answer your question, I've no idea about amps, is it written on the battery?
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: ballastanksian on September 18, 2015, 09:48:47 pm
Hi U2, it is usually writted as mAh i.e 3200mAh that is the number of milliamps the battery can put out in one hour.

I am sorry to hear of the angst your lovely build is causing you. I am wary of electrics as it is invisible inside lots of wires and boxes. You can only see electricity when it turns into unwanted smoke and the occasional blue flash.

Still, do not be down hearted, be methodical, try out different experiments and remember that all that you learn from fellow Mayhemers here, and from your own discoveries will make the next models easier and less troublesome.

Your Lena is gorgeous by the way. I like the use of different timbers and the detailing is lovely.


Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on September 20, 2015, 08:47:51 pm
Thanks for the support and moral boost guys :-))  it made me decide to go and try again.


I removed the connection to the 12 volt battery........... Still the same


I removed everything from the receiver and replugged the ESC (throttle) and rudder......... So far so good, in fact even better because that means it's definitely not my transmitter :} :} :} :}
I then ventured as far as plugging in one of the sail winches........ It works {-) O0 %% :} :-))


I was so happy I decided to sail her so I looked at the time for high tide at 3.30 and realised low tide was at 4.00pm :((  ah well can't win them all. My OH suggested I go to the port in the next village as there is water even at low tide :-))  so I even managed to sail her......... Right out to sea, around some anchored boats and all with confidence. I'm very happy with her........... Now to plug the next servo in and see where the problem lies........ More soon. U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: ballastanksian on September 20, 2015, 10:50:43 pm
I am so pleased that she has started to behave at last! Did anyone watch your boat sailing in the sea?
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on September 21, 2015, 10:11:35 am
Hi Ballast, by the time I took my boat from the water there was a group of onlookers that had occupied the nearby benches. It was a lovely day and lots of people pass by. It's a nice feeling when they comment how nice my boat is :}


I want to get the funnel smoking again that's really impressive. U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on October 10, 2015, 05:10:22 pm
Well I managed to get round to taking a few new photos...... My boat is not quite finished but I'd say it's in the final stages now, just a few ropes and deck furnishings then tweaking the final adjustments.


At least I can sail it while I carry out all these last things :-))


Dolls house project already started and a new boat being started soon, maybe as soon as tonight..... O0 :} :} :} :}  Well the drawings at least.......


Here are the photos.......
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image_zpssoauvasz.jpeg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image_zpssoauvasz.jpeg.html)


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image_zpshv27oujy.jpeg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image_zpshv27oujy.jpeg.html)


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image_zpskcdsvnon.jpeg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image_zpskcdsvnon.jpeg.html)


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image_zpsx1sh30ix.jpeg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image_zpsx1sh30ix.jpeg.html)


Hor rah photobucket seems to be working properly again......... U2









Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on December 13, 2015, 07:23:40 am
Out with Lena again yesterday on a beautiful flat sea........


(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN0418_zpsdz7oksmc.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/DSCN0418_zpsdz7oksmc.jpg.html)


My favourite photo so far, pity I had run out of smoke.........
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/RSCN0420_zpsrghyxg0y.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/RSCN0420_zpsrghyxg0y.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: PICKETBOAT on December 13, 2015, 10:09:06 am
Well done.


Just now and again we all take a picture which is good (convincing) and its a bit like a pat on the back. It kind of confirms what your doing is pretty good. You also see the model (via the picture) probably as non model makers see it. You know, the ones who cluster around you when your sailing, and make Oooo and Aaaaaa noises. I build scale powered models and functioning scale sailing models. Its always the latter that attract comments from "Joe Public", never the powered models. Interesting. And your next model will be.......?
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Netleyned on December 13, 2015, 10:12:02 am
Two superb models there Picketboat  :-)) :-))


Ned
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on December 13, 2015, 12:52:02 pm
It's true what you say they do like sailboats, it's true what Netleyned says as well.
 

 'and my next boat will be........' Its already started, see 'Alantis' in yachts and sail :-)) . U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: ballastanksian on December 13, 2015, 07:25:00 pm
Don't worry about the smoke, her skipper decided to save money and bend the sails out for an airing.

Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on February 05, 2016, 07:15:26 am
Mmmm I managed to find the original drawing that I built Lena from, here it is...........



(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/shux_photos/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image_zpsr4owokfh.png) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/shux_photos/media/Lena%20%20%20my%20first%20boat%20buld/image_zpsr4owokfh.png.html)


The wind power meets the power of steam in late 1800’s . In this period of maritime history, a hybrid generation of ships appeared combining these two. They kept the glory of sail ships and added independency from wind. Lena is a little steam schooner like that.

She was launched in 1875 in Sweden by Motala. She was 26.8m long, 4.95m wide and 2.59m deep. While sailing by wind, the funnel tilts back so that the sail boom can move freely.
She has an interesting story beginning with Nils Adolf Erik Nordenskiöld’s polar expedition. She joined the expedition as an auxilary ship up to a point. She took part in Russian revolutions which i could not translate well enough to write here. She was reconstructed several times. Once in 1938. She was extended two meters in lengtg, a new boiler was installed and living quarters were rebuilt.
In 1959, she was planned to be reserved as a historical vessel. But the attempts failed in 1967, the damage she suffered was beyond repair. But the model ship builders will help her to live forever.
The model plan set is distributed on two sheets. Very detailed and prepared for model ship building hobby


So here's a challenge, I can't find any more information about her.......... CAN YOU?.... U2
Title: Re: Lena......my first boat build.
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on October 04, 2019, 10:52:00 am
Hi guys, I have just made a little film of this boat and it's on YouTube for anyone interested. I'm not the best at filming and sailing at the same time but I'm sure I'll get better with practice.


I have to be honest, there's a double reason for posting the video O0 .... I don't just make model boats, I make all sorts of stuff. People always say 'you should put that on YouTube' so I decided to start a YouTube channel. My first project is a child's electric 1989 Batmobile designed by myself. I really need likes and subscribers (it's free and I don't mither anyone) so I'd appreciate any support from you guys.


My YouTube name is Know Expert.... The videos will get better (sound, lighting and editing) as I get more used to it, bear with me please.


Anyway, here's a link to Lena my first boat, then check out my batmobile build  then COME BACK TO THIS FANTASTIC FORUM......... Thanks guys...... Like and subscribe.  UM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JLkMPPU7b3s