Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Full Scale Ships => Topic started by: Just Add Water on May 26, 2015, 05:00:38 pm
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I Live only 15 mins by pushbike where the Titanic sailed from Southampton docks and I have in my possession a part of her, some of you may be interested in .
My Wife's Grandfather worked on the RMS Mauretania as a chef, and he was invited on board the Titanic as a guest to look around, when docked in Southampton, when he was in the First class area the naughty boy stole a coat hanger with a female clothing item still on it from a cabin.
We still have it here and. It is probably the only one in existence today.
I often wonder how much it would fetch on Ebay sometimes.
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I'm afraid it wouldn't be worth anything and certainly didn't come from the Titanic. Cunard White Star only came into existence during the mid 1930s when the Government forced the two companies to merge as a condition of giving a loan for the construction of the old Queen Mary.
It's also doubtful if it came off the old Mauretania as she was taken out of service in 1934. the same year that the companies merged.
Colin
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On eBay with your story you might tempt a gullible buyer
But as Colin says not worth a bean.
Ned
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I'm afraid it wouldn't be worth anything and certainly didn't come from the Titanic. Cunard White Star only came into existence during the mid 1930s when the Government forced the two companies to merge as a condition of giving a loan for the construction of the old Queen Mary.
It's also doubtful if it came off the old Mauretania as she was taken out of service in 1934. the same year that the companies merged.
Colin
So my wife's Grandfather was lying then is what you are saying ?
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Just spoken to my wife and her grandfather died in 1916.
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Colin didn't say that at all! he did say, that the company Cunard White Star didn't exist until 1934, certainly not in 1912, and if you look in any history book you will see Colin's facts are irrefutable.
Also White Star line didn't label anything on their liners without embossing the White Star Pennant on it. This ceased when they amalgamated with Cunard in 1934.
there are no arguments about the facts as they have been printed many many times over the years.
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cunard white star line from 1934 till 1949. That coat hanger would have been made some in that time period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunard-White_Star_Line
john
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All I am saying is that it is historically impossible for a Cunard White Star coat hanger to exist in 1912 when the Cunard White Star company did not come into existence until 1934.
Back in 1912 Cunard and White Star were fierce rivals on the North Atlantic. Cunard was a British Company while White Star was owned by IMM which was an American group of companies although the ships were registered in the UK.
Your coat hanger would appear to date from sometime after 1935.
Colin
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There is a further point that Mauretania sailed from Liverpool until the beginning of WW1 so I don't see how she could have been in Southampton at the same time as Titanic. Mauretania didn't sail from Southampton until after WW1
Colin
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So my wife's Grandfather was lying then is what you are saying ?
Since he died long before the hanger existed it must be a more recent person who has produced the story. Most likely several people actually, with an element of Chinese whispers rather than a deliberate fabrication I'd imagine.
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Looking at other pictures ... from the QM
http://keithwaynemccoy.com/tag/cunard-white-star/
Theoretically if genuine it could have come from the RMS Olympic
or 1 of these
In service for Cunard White Star Line
Ship - year Built - White Star Service period - Tonnage
RMS Olympic 1911 1934–35 45,324 GRT
RMS Mauretania 1906 1934–35 31,950 GRT
RMS Adriatic 1907 Never entered service 24,541 GRT
Ceramic 1913 1934 18,400 GRT
RMS Berengaria 1913 1934–38 51,950 GRT
RMS Homeric 1913 1934–35 35,000 GRT
RMS Aquitania 1914 1934–49 45,650 GRT
RMS Majestic 1914 1934-36 56,551 GRT
RMS Scythia 1921 1934–49 19,700 GRT
RMS Samaria 1922 1934–49 19,700 GRT
RMS Laconia 1922 1934–42 19,700 GRT
RMS Antonia 1922 1934–42 13,900 GRT
Austonia 1922 1934–42 13,900 GRT
RMS Lancastria 1922 1934–40 16,250 GRT
Doric 1923 1934–35 16,484 GRT
Franconia 1923 1934–49 20,200 GRT
RMS Aurania 1924 1934–42 14,000 GRT
RMS Carinthia 1925 1934–40 20,200 GRT
Ascania 1925 1934–49 14,000 GRT
Alaunia 1925 1934–42 14,000 GRT
Calgaric 1927 Never entered service 16,063 GRT
Laurentic 1927 1934-36 18,724 GRT
RMS Britannic 1929 1934–49 26,943 GRT
RMS Georgic 1932 1934–49 27,759 GRT
RMS Queen Mary 1936 1936–49 80,750 GRT
RMS Queen Elizabeth 1940 1940–49 83,650 GRT
RMS Media 1947 1947–49 13,350 GRT
RMS Parthia 1947 1947–49 13,350 GRT
RMS Caronia 1949 1949 34,200 GRT
However.. As some say :police: It was the Olympic which sank and the Titanic became the Olympic so in theory from a conspiracies groups point of view it could well have come from the Titanic 8) 8)
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They also did not name any items in their ships, like cups saucers etc after the ship, this allowed them to move these items from one ship to another if required. So there is actually no way of knowing what ship items came from
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After the merger ships would have carried on using their original equipment until such time as replacements were needed or the vessel underwent a major refit.
Colin
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found this on ebay..http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-Cunard-White-star-1-Atalanta-Cleaners-ltd-Sale-wooden-coat-hangers-/400925613458?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5d59075d92 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-Cunard-White-star-1-Atalanta-Cleaners-ltd-Sale-wooden-coat-hangers-/400925613458?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5d59075d92).. back 1s similar
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However.. As some say (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/classic/police.gif) It was the Olympic which sank and the Titanic became the Olympic so in theory from a conspiracies groups point of view it could well have come from the Titanic (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/classic/cool.gif) (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/classic/cool.gif)
I will ask the family, But he was in Southampton at the time of the sailing, that is true.
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There is a further point that Mauretania sailed from Liverpool until the beginning of WW1 so I don't see how she could have been in Southampton at the same time as Titanic. Mauretania didn't sail from Southampton until after WW1
Colin
He was in Southampton at the time, not on the ship.
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He was in Southampton at the time, not on the ship.
Your original post rather implies that he was on the Mauretania at the time which is a bit confusing. However if he was in Southampton at the time then he may indeed have visited the Titanic as you say - but he certainly didn't make off with that particular coat hanger.
Colin
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Your original post rather implies that he was on the Mauretania at the time which is a bit confusing. However if he was in Southampton at the time then he may indeed have visited the Titanic as you say - but he certainly didn't make off with that particular coat hanger.
Colin
I also forgot to tell you he was also a secret time traveler, I am afraid you all have, we weed on on my Wife's bonfire :-(
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also forgot to tell you he was also a secret time traveller,
if he was, why didn't he inform Captain E J Smith of the imminent danger the guy was sailing into, and avert total disaster...............then we wouldn't have been having this conversation in the first place {-) {-) {-) %% %% %% %%
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I thought everyone knew that a professional time traveller would never interfere with historic events. :-)
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Obviously not but the sonic screwdriver would
have melted the ice in the rather oversized G & T.
Ned
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if he was, why didn't he inform Captain E J Smith of the imminent danger the guy was sailing into, and avert total disaster...............then we wouldn't have been having this conversation in the first place {-) {-) {-) %% %% %% %%
DOCTOR WHO, told him never interfere with the future. If remember his reply was Tommy! and Roger Daltry said where is the ice for my gin?
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DOCTOR WHO, told him never interfere with the future. If remember his reply was Tommy! and Roger Daltry said where is the ice for my gin?
Can I have some of whatever it is that you are on? Powerful stuff.... O0
Dave
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:-) .... "we weed on on my Wife's bonfire" .....is that like piddling on a grass fire? :embarrassed:.......could always use the coat hanger of questionable age as kindling O0.....Derek
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I dont think its a coathanger at all Derek,its a boomerang! Well at least the replies keep coming back!
Mick F
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That would be the aussie connection then
:-))
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I dont think its a coathanger at all Derek,its a boomerang! Well at least the replies keep coming back!
Mick F
aarrrrgggggghhhhhhhhh.......that 2was the worst of the lot, {-) {-) {-)
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My Wife is gutted, that the, said boomerang, kindling thing is worthless, Her time traveling grandfather was obviously a bit of a scoundrel on the high seas.
I fear he may have been a bit of a fibber also. This I cannot confirm as the said Time traveler, was here last Thursday, and was a bit dismayed we found out :embarrassed:
Or was it Sunday, hmmm never checked my watch, as it is always wrong.
Bernie.