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Title: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on July 29, 2015, 11:10:32 am
So anyone installed it yet ?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bob K on July 29, 2015, 11:16:00 am
No, and not likely to.  My PC is working at the mo' and I have no wish to disable it or turn it into a pseudo mobile phone. 
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on July 29, 2015, 12:28:03 pm
My Guru advises to wait as bugs are sure to abound.
 
Download it closer to the end of the 12 month period as it will be more stable/reliable.

There is also talk that this is the last version of windows????
whatever that means. {:-{ {:-{

https://askleo.com/will-windows-10-be-free/?awt_l=J72BJ&awt_m=J_jWk0fxFJdfbL
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: TheLongBuild on July 29, 2015, 12:32:53 pm
My Guru advises to wait as bugs are sure to abound.
 
Download it closer to the end of the 12 month period as it will be more stable/reliable.

There is also talk that this is the last version of windows????
whatever that means. {:-{ {:-{

last version as was, I think they will just continually tweak W10
 
Will be updayeing Laptop within the next few days, see how it goes and then update PC on a new SSD..
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 29, 2015, 03:32:26 pm
 
I'm going to download tonight and install on someone else's PC to test!   ;)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: sailorboy61 on July 29, 2015, 03:45:59 pm
I'm going to download tonight and install on someone else's PC to test!   ;)



That's what Microsoft said and do.........
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: timgarrod on July 29, 2015, 05:24:36 pm
been running it for months, works well.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Brian60 on July 29, 2015, 05:36:28 pm
I'm currently trying to rescue a laptop from another expat in the village, she turned it off using the off button while it was downloading windows upgrades. The result is the computer will not get past the boot screen without errors.

I can't get it to reload from its partition, seems that is corrupt as well. I gave up on win7 seven yesterday and today even though I have deleted all the partitions using  a dos command on a pendrive and reformmated the disk I can't get an operating system to load.

Tomorrow its going to be rip out the drive and slave it into my laptop, hopefully I can get full access and sort it out that way. But Windows 10 ? Let me deal with this first!
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: SteveB66 on July 29, 2015, 06:02:55 pm
I have a desktop running windows 7, that will stay as it is. I don't like windows 8, so 10 no thanks. I also have a old Dell laptop running Ubuntu a Linux operating system, this i do like. It's really simple and dead easy. The only problem is I can't use my printer with it, but I just use the desktop so that is no problem to me.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: ixion on July 29, 2015, 07:57:49 pm
I may run it on a virtual machine on one of my macs  :-)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: malcolmfrary on July 30, 2015, 09:49:28 am
I'm currently trying to rescue a laptop from another expat in the village, she turned it off using the off button while it was downloading windows upgrades. The result is the computer will not get past the boot screen without errors.

I can't get it to reload from its partition, seems that is corrupt as well. I gave up on win7 seven yesterday and today even though I have deleted all the partitions using  a dos command on a pendrive and reformmated the disk I can't get an operating system to load.

Tomorrow its going to be rip out the drive and slave it into my laptop, hopefully I can get full access and sort it out that way. But Windows 10 ? Let me deal with this first!
That one will not get the free win 10 upgrade unless it has a valid win 7 or 8.  If win 10 is installed without using the upgrade option, it will consider itself a "clean" install, and will demand a code which will cost real money before loading.
The circumstances highlight one thing that makes me very uncertain about win 10 - you, as the PC owner, don't get the option to select where, when and what updates are applied.  Given that M$ decided that the entire world was populated solely by portable handheld devices when they cobbled up win 8, this update policy is stupid.  The scene - portable device with a low battery and a wifi connection decides to do an update just as you are about to board your flight.  The probable result is one device that will be converted into a paperweight.
I will be waiting until the dust has settled a bit.  While there are good reports of win 10 from the beta testers, the general public has not done the full customer testing to find the more subtle problems.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 30, 2015, 12:22:16 pm
 
Always a good idea with Microsnot new products.
Although I do here good things from the months of beta testing...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33689332



I will be waiting until the dust has settled a bit.  While there are good reports of win 10 from the beta testers, the general public has not done the full customer testing to find the more subtle problems.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: tigertiger on July 30, 2015, 04:17:37 pm


There is also talk that this is the last version of windows????
whatever that means. {:-{ {:-{

 


I think it means that all further upgrades will be automatic downloads, a bit like updates. That is how Office365 works. My main fear is that they will be looking for an annual subscription (like they do with Office365) some time in the future.
Seeing how people are still running XP and Office2003 (even Office97), with no support and no problems, maybe I will get another 10 years out of Win7 and my Office 2010. There is also the possibility that Win10 will be a magnet for hackers and viruses, because some people may be hell bent on breaking Microsoft's new toy. Call me paranoid. I may convert one machine to Win 10 down the line, but leave the others on Win7.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Netleyned on July 30, 2015, 04:51:12 pm
I am not allowed it apparently.
I have Win 8 oem updated to 8.1
My updates are all done.
I have the search icon that shows I should get it
But no way of getting the download.
Faultfinding tells me my version of windows is not
up to date which the search icon next to my name
is supposed to indicate i have the updates.


The mind boggles


Ned
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: kinmel on July 30, 2015, 05:38:55 pm
I have been running it for months on a PC and a laptop without any real problems.

Windows 10 is no longer an "operating system", it is now a "service" just like Apps and will update as necessary.

At the moment you can stop automatic updates... http://www.wired.com/2015/07/stop-windows-10-auto-updates/

Downloading the Win10 update is difficult at the moment due to server overload.

You can download the full installation package from..  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 , but it is slow due to traffic
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Brian60 on July 30, 2015, 06:47:55 pm
Given that Microsoft have announced that 10 will be the final release of windows, its going to be interesting in 18 months time what they are going to release in its place! O0
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: TheLongBuild on July 30, 2015, 06:59:06 pm
Given that Microsoft have announced that 10 will be the final release of windows, its going to be interesting in 18 months time what they are going to release in its place! O0

They will just be updating W10.. W10 is affectively now an APP, as this will be the same version that will be on phones, they will just update the APP as required, the money will be made when they Licence it on New PC's.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Colin Bishop on July 30, 2015, 07:03:29 pm
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Given that Microsoft have announced that 10 will be the final release of windows, its going to be interesting in 18 months time what they are going to release in its place!

They will still be making money on new installations and on all upgrades after July next year. There are suggestions that they will expand into other areas but their track record with such ventures such as Nokia and Windows Phone has not been successful.

They might end up a bit like IBM. At one time IBM was the bee's knees and had a stranglehold on personal computing and particularly hardware but they have since changed out of all recognition.

I will probably upgrade my 8.1 main PC once things have settled down a bit. The laptop is running 7 so I might leave that for the rest of its useful life.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: TheLongBuild on July 30, 2015, 07:51:10 pm
Interesting about the phones as I have had a Samsung phone on W8 and another Nokia on 8.1 for my son, have never had any issues, and prefers them to Android..  :-))

Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: JimG on July 30, 2015, 09:51:32 pm
No great problem in downloading tonight, I just downloaded 2 iso versions in no more than 2 to 3 hours. (one home version for a laptop and one pro N for the desktop.) Just got to find 2 DVDs to burn them.

Jim
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: barriew on July 31, 2015, 07:26:56 pm
I upgraded today from 8.1 - only problem one of the restarts didn't, so I switched off and on again, and Win 10 installed without further problems.
So far it has removed my biggest problem with 8.1 - the 'charms menu' which appears if you go too near the edge. The start menu is nice, but with some niggles. There look to be some interesting new features when I have time, but nothing which forces me to do things I don't want to.
All in all, I'm very pleased with it.


Barrie
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 02, 2015, 07:44:37 pm
I clicked on the logo which allows you to 'register' and puts you in the queue for the upgrade. Anyone know how long this takes?

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 02, 2015, 08:30:44 pm
 
Mine took about 45 mins all... after the download. 3Gig!

Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 02, 2015, 08:58:24 pm
I clicked on the logo which allows you to 'register' and puts you in the queue for the upgrade. Anyone know how long this takes?

Colin

I registered both pc's months ago.. Lap top allowed the download straight away on day 1 , Main PC still waiting.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: dreadnought72 on August 02, 2015, 11:45:34 pm
Downloaded 10 yesterday, onto a 7 machine. I've really liked 7, so I was wondering whether to bother. Anyway, it's installed and running perfectly OK. No apparent issues. I think the only quibble I've got is that it only gives me a month to roll-back to 7 if 10 shows up something weird.

We'll see!

Andy
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: BarryM on August 03, 2015, 08:16:11 am
Quote: The scene - portable device with a low battery and a wifi connection decides to do an update just as you are about to board your flight.  The probable result is one device that will be converted into a paperweight." Unquote

I admit to being a Neanderthal as far as many aspects of computers go but would you have your 'device' switched on when boarding a flight?

Barry M
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: malcolmfrary on August 03, 2015, 09:12:35 am
Quote: The scene - portable device with a low battery and a wifi connection decides to do an update just as you are about to board your flight.  The probable result is one device that will be converted into a paperweight." Unquote

I admit to being a Neanderthal as far as many aspects of computers go but would you have your 'device' switched on when boarding a flight?

Barry M
No- but I certainly would shortly before, if only to check flight times, doing things to relieve the boredom of being in a departure "lounge" etc.  Just before boarding, I would be wanting to turn it off.  I would be displeased to get the message "updating - do not turn off". 
If I had noted that the battery was running a bit low and switching off because plugging in to a charger was not an option at that time I would not want to see that message.  Currently I can have auto updates turned off on a portable device so that it doesn't start an update with low power, it appears that this option is to be removed.  Unless there is some clarification from M$, this is a potential problem.  Given the number of users, a large potential problem. 
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 03, 2015, 09:36:33 am
Yes, that could certainly be a problem. A workaround might be to put the device into airplane mode before shutting down: http://www.howto-connect.com/windows-10-turn-on-or-off-airplane-mode/

No doubt there will be some discussion on this as soon as the first updates to Windows 10 are released (imposed?)

I use my phone or a tablet at the airport before flights so it shouldn't be a problem for me but a lot of people do take their laptops onboard.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: inertia on August 03, 2015, 09:45:24 am
"Microsoft has relied entirely upon the goodwill of an unpaid army of Beta testers to get W10 up and running, but how long can this one-sided arrangement continue?"

Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 03, 2015, 10:02:30 am
I think that photo just shows how long some of these 'update and shutdowns' take.....

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: warspite on August 03, 2015, 11:34:02 am
I updated my sons win 7 machine last night, the download was 2085.1 MB and took about 1hr and 20min in total from it starting the upgrade process (at 100mbps connection - BT standard line not fibreoptic and living within a 2 mile radius of the exchange - figures quoted are subject to change and are at the descrection of the operator).
At one point i turned to my son and said, you do know it's going to come up with a piece of text that says ' WELCOME TO SKYNET' and a picture of a metalic scull with red eyes is going to follow it going wwwhhhhhaaaa (evil overtones), he chuckled, how niave he is
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: BarryM on August 03, 2015, 12:05:04 pm
Yes, that could certainly be a problem. A workaround might be to put the device into airplane mode before shutting down: http://www.howto-connect.com/windows-10-turn-on-or-off-airplane-mode/

No doubt there will be some discussion on this as soon as the first updates to Windows 10 are released (imposed?)

I use my phone or a tablet at the airport before flights so it shouldn't be a problem for me but a lot of people do take their laptops onboard.

Colin

Dear Malcolm & Colin,

I did say I was a Neanderthal in computer gizmo terms. In fact apart from my PC, I manage to exist without IPhone, IPad, Iwatch or any similar device. My mobile phone only permits me to converse or text. In fact the only ĎIísí I have are either side on my nose.  :-)

In airport lounges, I am one of those old-fashioned fogeys getting flight information from the Arrivals/Departures Board, reading a (paper-based) book or newspaper, taxing his brain to fill in the crossword and actually talking with real people. I manage this without the aid of a battery or filling somebody elseís bank account with annual, expensive, upgrades.  :o
 
I realise that at any moment a squad of Cybermen may burst out of that strangely glowing Photobooth (IBooth?) to slice off the top of my skull, reprogramme the contents and, probably, insert a perpetual standing order for the digital edition of ĎModel Boatsí (IMag?) but Iím prepared to risk it.  :P
 
Regards,
Barry (I)Mc 
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 03, 2015, 12:32:36 pm
Dear Malcolm & Colin,

I did say I was a Neanderthal in computer gizmo terms. In fact apart from my PC, I manage to exist without IPhone, IPad, Iwatch or any similar device. My mobile phone only permits me to converse or text. In fact the only ĎIísí I have are either side on my nose.  :-)

In airport lounges, I am one of those old-fashioned fogeys getting flight information from the Arrivals/Departures Board, reading a (paper-based) book or newspaper, taxing his brain to fill in the crossword and actually talking with real people. I manage this without the aid of a battery or filling somebody elseís bank account with annual, expensive, upgrades.  :o
 
I realise that at any moment a squad of Cybermen may burst out of that strangely glowing Photobooth (IBooth?) to slice off the top of my skull, reprogramme the contents and, probably, insert a perpetual standing order for the digital edition of ĎModel Boatsí (IMag?) but Iím prepared to risk it.  :P
 
Regards,
Barry (I)Mc

Barry, Contrary to popular belief you are not alone O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: roycv on August 03, 2015, 01:02:50 pm
Hi BarrM I would like to line up with your sentiments especially in Airports.  Having travelled on several long distance journies in the last few years I am amazed by the number of travellers locked into what ever is coming through their ear pods.  I have managed without any of the 'benefits' of i technology though I do have a MacBookPro, (a gift) I am feeling more and more alone but not inadequate!

Some years ago I met a fellow traveller I had a long wait ahead of me, she sat beside me at a cafe table after some 10 minutes of reading her paper, she put it down and we had 2 hours of very frank conversation. (both of us being over 70). A sort of in the psychiatrists chair.
Needless to say neither of us had felt the need for technology to get us through our journies.  Then she went West and I went South east.
We exchanged names but nothing else.
I do not think that would have happened if one of us had an ear pod.

I look forward to conversations but do not impose myself.  I still enjoy flying.

Just found out that if you are over 75 and going to Australia one needs to have a medical check up beforehand.  Does any other country require this?

regards Roy
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 03, 2015, 01:03:47 pm
The 2013 Model Boats Special was partially edited in the waiting lounge of Singapore airport when it overran its production schedule (not my fault!) We all have to make sacrifices!

Yes, I do the crossword at the airport too. But I do find that having a connected device on holiday to be very useful indeed. We are not the sort of people to sit around the pool all day and it is very handy to be able to check out details of local attractions and opening times while you are away.

Having the tablet was an absolute Godsend earlier this year when part of the airport burnt down the day before we were due to leave Rome after a short break. My Wife was on the phone to British Airways at midnight discussing alternative flights from other regional airports while I was on the tablet looking up train times to check if we would be able to make the suggested flights. By getting up at 6am we managed to get a train to Pisa and flew back from there. Without the devices we would probably have been stuck in Rome for another two or three days. If we had left it to the next morning the seats from Pisa were unlikely to have been available, the aircraft was packed with other refugees from Rome!

Technology is there to be exploited, you don't have to be enslaved by it.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: roycv on August 03, 2015, 01:06:08 pm
Hi Colin there are some who might not have been averse to an extra few days in Rome!
regards Roy
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 03, 2015, 01:08:35 pm
Quote
Hi Colin there are some who might not have been averse to an extra few days in Rome!

True but they were having a heatwave at the time and while I like visiting new places, three days in a crowded city is usually enough for me. Too many people...

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: warspite on August 03, 2015, 04:38:08 pm
-We are not the sort of people to sit around the pool all day and it is very handy to be able to check out details of local attractions and opening times while you are away.
Colin

Unless its wicksteed of course - I know the idea of a good app for an I device, point it at a stretch of water and your favourite model boat etc., is magically superimposed on to the video image of the water in question, any programmers out there  :D
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Capt Podge on August 03, 2015, 04:46:29 pm
I did say I was a Neanderthal in computer gizmo terms. In fact apart from my PC, I manage to exist without IPhone, IPad, Iwatch or any similar device. My mobile phone only permits me to converse or text. In fact the only ‘I’s’ I have are either side on my nose.  :-)
 
Regards,
Barry (I)Mc 


In that case - I'm glad to be a Neanderthal too  :-))
 
Regards,
 
Ray.
 
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Nemo on August 03, 2015, 06:12:14 pm
Dear Malcolm & Colin,
I did say I was a Neanderthal in computer gizmo terms. In fact apart from my PC, I manage to exist without IPhone, IPad, Iwatch or any similar device. My mobile phone only permits me to converse or text. In fact the only ‘I’s’ I have are either side on my nose.  :-)
In airport lounges, I am one of those old-fashioned fogeys getting flight information from the Arrivals/Departures Board, reading a (paper-based) book or newspaper, taxing his brain to fill in the crossword and actually talking with real people. I manage this without the aid of a battery or filling somebody else’s bank account with annual, expensive, upgrades.  :o
I realise that at any moment a squad of Cybermen may burst out of that strangely glowing Photobooth (IBooth?) to slice off the top of my skull, reprogramme the contents and, probably, insert a perpetual standing order for the digital edition of ‘Model Boats’ (IMag?) but I’m prepared to risk it.  :P
Regards, Barry (I)Mc

We have much in common then!

Being somewhat of the Dinosaur Class, can any expert tell me if it is possible to install Win10 from Win8 and if it is not suitable to me, can I revert to Win8 and how could I do it?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 03, 2015, 06:45:37 pm
We have much in common then!

Being somewhat of the Dinosaur Class, can any expert tell me if it is possible to install Win10 from Win8 and if it is not suitable to me, can I revert to Win8 and how could I do it?
No it must be W 8.1, so you need to upgrade to 8.1 first, then you can upgrade to 10..  Be warned 8.1 upgrade is quite a lengthy one , mine took 2 hours..
As for reverting, no need really but not sure. I think you have a period of time to do so.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: barriew on August 03, 2015, 07:19:30 pm
You can revert to previous windows for one month only.


Barrie
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 03, 2015, 07:20:44 pm
You can revert within a month of upgrading to Windows 10 but I think that is only back to Windows 8.1 or Windows 7. If you want your old Windows 8 back you would need to do a reinstall from your original Windows disks - if you have them!

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: klz on August 03, 2015, 08:56:51 pm
Was Windows 7 Pro upgraded to Windows 10 with no problems my admin tools did not work could not download new rsat tools so reverted back to Windows 7 Pro again no problems.  I noticed the tools are now available to download so I will have another go next week.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: plug on August 03, 2015, 09:50:00 pm
Hi folks,  if you've got windows 10 it's easy to go back to windows 8.1,  left click the little window icon in the bottom left hand corner, then left click settings,  then left click update and security, then left click recovery and you'll see the option to go back to windows 8.1. That worked for me ok but don't know about windows 7 or 8, hope that helps

best regards Jack.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 04, 2015, 01:54:42 am

The link in reply 2 as far as I can gather, covers all the commentary on here to date and the valid reasons for waiting.  :-)) :-)) O0 O0

Therefore, won't be rushing in, so I will be patient and wait.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Tug Fanatic on August 04, 2015, 12:05:47 pm
Running Windows 10 and the new Edge Browser. Everything worked extremely easily and I quite like it - & that it without having got use to it.

As usual there is a lot to learn - the biggest problem that I have had is sorting my favorites - but so far so good.

Complete download & installation took less than one hour - BT Fibre.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 04, 2015, 12:17:14 pm
 
Anyone else having a varying brightness issue?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 04, 2015, 12:20:11 pm
Running Windows 10 and the new Edge Browser. Everything worked extremely easily and I quite like it - & that it without having got use to it.

As usual there is a lot to learn - the biggest problem that I have had is sorting my favorites - but so far so good.

Complete download & installation took less than one hour - BT Fibre.
I just had it import my favourites  :-))
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Tug Fanatic on August 04, 2015, 12:41:10 pm
I just had it import my favourites  :-))

So did I but it rearranged them and left enormous spaces between them which meant that to find anything I seemed to be scrolling for ever. I haven't resolved the wide spacing yet.

The biggest problem I face was one that I caused. Sometimes - and I don't know how but it is my inaptitude - I manage to drag a folder of favorites into either the one below or above. I knew how to get them back out in Explorer but it took me a lot of experimenting to do so in Egde. Now I know how - and where Favorites are stored in Edge - it is easy.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 04, 2015, 01:13:54 pm
 :-))
I have mine defaulting to the Google home page, Looks nicer than edge
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 04, 2015, 06:24:05 pm
If you are not already aware of it then it might be a very good idea to opt out of the data collecting features which are enabled by default. Lots of advice online such as this:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/03/windows_10_privacy_defaults/

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: nivapilot on August 04, 2015, 06:24:40 pm
Daughter had 10 downloaded, installed it and Firefox takes, and I kid you not, 5 minutes to load a page.
Use Edge and its fine and dandy, try to open Firefox and five minutes later it opens.??

I'm still trying to find out why and resolve it. :o
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 05, 2015, 12:41:28 am
If you are not already aware of it then it might be a very good idea to opt out of the data collecting features which are enabled by default. Lots of advice online such as this:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/03/windows_10_privacy_defaults/

Colin

Very good article and reinforces "there is no free lunch", AKA W10 is free.

So what else is there and yet to be discovered.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 05, 2015, 12:59:52 am

Here is one example that Aussie taxpayers are paying for 'free'  Win 10.

There are also other institutions, AKA universities that are staying with XP.

You would think that with all the "brains" therein, there has to be reason why they are staying with XP.


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/government-it/revealed-australian-government-pays-hefty-price-to-keep-outdated-windows-operating-systems-secure-20150804-girdcd.html
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 05, 2015, 09:03:12 am
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You would think that with all the "brains" therein, there has to be reason why they are staying with XP.

There's no big mystery here. A lot of organisations, including some military ones, have XP built into their key business and operational processes. They are dependent upon code in XP which no longer exists in later versions. Rebuilding those systems would be very expensive and amending the existing ones can be very risky as changing code carries a very high probability of unwanted and possibly critical knock on effects so the best solution for the moment is 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'.

Banks and other big businesses are in the same cleft stick. Underneath those slick, snazzy online banking interfaces lies a lot of legacy code dating back to the 1980s written in languages which modern programmers no longer understand. Tamper with it at your peril!

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Klunk on August 05, 2015, 10:57:37 am
Downloaded  Sunday morning. Finished installing in the afternoon. Impressed as it runs my 20 year old printer! !! Not so impressed was that it automatically installed sll the standard windows programmes as default even though it copied across chrome mozilla etc. All passwords are ok. It even signs me in as an administrator where win 8/8.1 never would even though I was the only person registered on it. The Microsoft account copied accross ok and even linked direct into my android and my home network. Not keen on Microsoft edge but will get used to it.
Overall first impression is it good......so far
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 05, 2015, 11:07:45 am
Just change the default for edge, made mine Google
 
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 05, 2015, 01:41:59 pm
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even linked direct into my android and my home network

Yes, isn't that reassuring that Microsoft know your network and Livemail passwords!
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: warspite on August 05, 2015, 08:08:27 pm
again,  WELCOME TO SKYNET  O0
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: MikeK on August 06, 2015, 08:05:52 am
Cannot be bothered to trawl through the posts to see if this has been mentioned (I know, lazy !  O0 ) So if I am preaching to the converted - Sorry !

If you are running a Sony VAIO desktop computer and presumably laptops also, Sony have issued a message in their updates section NOT to attempt a Win10 download. They have yet to develop the drivers for it and downloading could seriously mess with your machine.  >>:-(

Sony reckon they  (should) be rolling the drivers out later this month (Aug)

This explains the lack of the little 'Win10' appearing on the task bar yet in case you are starting to feel left out !

Be Warned !

Mike
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: barriew on August 06, 2015, 08:35:01 am
If anyone uses Microsoft Money to look after their finances, it doesn't work in Win 10, BUT there is a fix.
PM me if you need the details


Barrie
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 06, 2015, 08:57:15 am
Cannot be bothered to trawl through the posts to see if this has been mentioned (I know, lazy !  O0 ) So if I am preaching to the converted - Sorry !

If you are running a Sony VAIO desktop computer and presumably laptops also, Sony have issued a message in their updates section NOT to attempt a Win10 download. They have yet to develop the drivers for it and downloading could seriously mess with your machine.  >>:-(

Sony reckon they  (should) be rolling the drivers out later this month (Aug)

This explains the lack of the little 'Win10' appearing on the task bar yet in case you are starting to feel left out !

Be Warned !

Mike

So did Sony forget it was happening, been in development for over 2  years, would think a large corp would get their act together.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: MikeK on August 06, 2015, 02:35:18 pm

So did Sony forget it was happening, been in development for over 2  years, would think a large corp would get their act together.

I get the impression that Sony lost interest in the computer side of the business and look on updates etc as a bit of a nuisance ! :((

Mike
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: tsenecal on August 06, 2015, 03:43:34 pm
I get the impression that Sony lost interest in the computer side of the business and look on updates etc as a bit of a nuisance ! :((

Mike




Sony sold their "VAIO" pc business a year ago.


http://www.pcworld.com/article/2095180/sony-sheds-vaio-pc-business-turns-tv-unit-into-subsidiary.html
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: MikeK on August 06, 2015, 04:06:46 pm



Sony sold their "VAIO" pc business a year ago.


http://www.pcworld.com/article/2095180/sony-sheds-vaio-pc-business-turns-tv-unit-into-subsidiary.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2095180/sony-sheds-vaio-pc-business-turns-tv-unit-into-subsidiary.html)


Oh great ! Thanks for that Senegal, I didn't know about it. Well in that case I will count myself very lucky to get anything at all. If the drivers get issued then hopefully Windows 10 will be loadable, but after that it will be a wait and see  how long before the scapheap beckons !


Mike
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 06, 2015, 06:59:00 pm
Only thing I have noticed at the moment is I seem unable to add any of the Emicons   :_)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Just Add Water on August 06, 2015, 07:56:07 pm
I don't want to appear to be a snob, but My upfront Office is ahead of the game, they have just Up graded to Windows 95.

I on the other hand have a 27in Mac and things are OK here.

 :-))



Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: warspite on August 06, 2015, 08:09:37 pm
WOW  %%

Win 95 How far into the future is your pc - they only want people to upgrade to windows 10, has Arnie been round ?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Just Add Water on August 06, 2015, 08:14:07 pm
WOW  %%

Win 95 How far into the future is your pc - they only want people to upgrade to windows 10, has Arnie been round ?


Windows 95 is my works, they are going places, believe me they have pencil sharpeners.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: tsenecal on August 06, 2015, 09:14:33 pm
I too am one of those multi-dextrous types...


I prefer macs...   a mac mini and a 11.6" air consume 90% of my computing time, but i dabble in everything...  i have 3 android tablets, 2 android phones, 2 windows tablets, 1 windows laptop, 1 linux laptop.


amazingly enough, no iphones, no ipads, no ipods.   can't stand that limited closed up hardware, and the need to connect to their store to get anything installed on it.


back to the topic, one windows tablet is 8.1, the other is 10.   like the 10 version better.  the windows laptop is windows XP,  and hasn't been turned on in at least 2 years.




oh, and i write computer software for a living... which might be why i collect these things like baseball cards.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: MikeK on August 06, 2015, 11:57:56 pm
Way, way out of my league !
I apologise for getting your name wrong above. How the hell I managed to read tsenecal and turn it into senegal"...........whoa, stop right there ! Just found out as I was writing, it is that 'blinking!' annoying auto correct that the IPad uses that is more of a hindrance than anything. Anyone know how to switch it off ?

And who said 'blinking' - not me ! I said b l o o dy ,so there !

Mike
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: tsenecal on August 07, 2015, 04:17:22 am
Mike,


no injury... i have been called much worse on a few occasions.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: colin-d on August 07, 2015, 05:25:26 am
amazingly enough, no iphones, no ipads, no ipods.   can't stand that limited closed up hardware, and the need to connect to their store to get anything installed on it.

sorry not quite with you there....!!  {:-{ %%

android or Google for that matter ... there is not much difference... there you have to use there STORE and have a google account..
Microsoft and Window are not much better either... for anyone that has the versions 8 or higher.. were all the programs are stored at Microsoft... unless you have manually changed that to a local account...

its the way the computer World is going... just like the centralised software through Citrix, or the virtual computers housed in Blade units.. One Account and One Password (saved in the Active Directory) gets you a work station and all the software you need..
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: inertia on August 07, 2015, 08:38:33 am
Unlike many, I would kill for a decent XP Pro machine so that I can run my ancient copy of AutoCAD properly. I'm stuck with Vista Business at present - suitably tweaked - but there are several commands which just aren't recognised and it has hissy fits at times when it refuses to Save files. The alternative is to buy the current version of AutoCAD (seen the price?!), but it's apparently a pile of pooh compared with R14 - even if you don't have to remember all the text commands for 3D. It's that or learn TurboCAD, and having spent a year at night-school on AutoCAD and gained a C&G I'm very reluctant to lose all that expertise.
Incidentally my network manager mate Huw has been running a beta version of W10 at home for 6 months and says it's as stable as XP. He's not been impressed by anything out of Microsoft since that.
DM
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: colin-d on August 07, 2015, 08:48:56 am
@ Dave
I still have my Laptop running on XP pro...
and I have two other copies of XP pro (the original software with Number) never been used, but its the German Version..  {-)

as to CAD software... I use Coral Draw... very easy to use if you just doing normal Drawings... for example Plans or Etching Brass
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: malcolmfrary on August 07, 2015, 09:03:55 am
Unlike many, I would kill for a decent XP Pro machine so that I can run my ancient copy of AutoCAD properly. I'm stuck with Vista Business at present - suitably tweaked - but there are several commands which just aren't recognised and it has hissy fits at times when it refuses to Save files. The alternative is to buy the current version of AutoCAD (seen the price?!), but it's apparently a pile of pooh compared with R14 - even if you don't have to remember all the text commands for 3D. It's that or learn TurboCAD, and having spent a year at night-school on AutoCAD and gained a C&G I'm very reluctant to lose all that expertise.
Incidentally my network manager mate Huw has been running a beta version of W10 at home for 6 months and says it's as stable as XP. He's not been impressed by anything out of Microsoft since that.
DM
A mate had a similar problem - he paid a nice man to install XP pro on his all new machine that could not load the program he needed to work for his living. 
I suspect that it might be possible to load XP on your Vista machine after creating a partition for it to live in and dual boot it to get the full functions of your workhorse program.  Discs are still available out there - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windows-Professional-Service-Software/dp/B003CG00KE/ref=pd_cp_65_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=01BXNJKMYDX1TNQAXWXQ -
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 07, 2015, 10:43:20 am
Unlike many, I would kill for a decent XP Pro machine so that I can run my ancient copy of AutoCAD properly. I'm stuck with Vista Business at present - suitably tweaked - but there are several commands which just aren't recognised and it has hissy fits at times when it refuses to Save files. The alternative is to buy the current version of AutoCAD (seen the price?!), but it's apparently a pile of pooh compared with R14 - even if you don't have to remember all the text commands for 3D. It's that or learn TurboCAD, and having spent a year at night-school on AutoCAD and gained a C&G I'm very reluctant to lose all that expertise.
Incidentally my network manager mate Huw has been running a beta version of W10 at home for 6 months and says it's as stable as XP. He's not been impressed by anything out of Microsoft since that.
DM

Could it be that M have finally woken up and W10 is the modern version of XP.
Wonders will never cease.
Am still running XP pro on my other machine this one with W7 is a ..............................
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: inertia on August 07, 2015, 12:19:52 pm
The supreme irony is that this machine came with both XP and Vista on it (dual boot only on initial power up), but when the hard drive eventually died we found that we didn't have the system discs for XP - only those for Vista. I grit my teeth and bear it, but I don't like it. Now that the motherboard has accommodated two different HDDs and two different operating systems I don't know if it would accept a fresh copy of XP anyway.
Huw is currently incommunicado after our partial success in getting Server 2008 to work properly. He is adamant he can fix it, but he operates in a parallel universe for much of his time and I have to catch him as he passes by his end of the Wormhole............... 8)
I do have CorelDraw 12 which I use for the wiring diagrams, but it's really more of an illustrator's program than CAD and no substitute for AutoCAD for 'proper' technical drawing e.g. plans.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: warspite on August 07, 2015, 01:43:28 pm
My sons vista machine has been running win 10 now for the best part of a week, had a go - WoW - difficult to find anything that resembles win 7, but he is happy, as long as he does his holiday homework he is getting 4 new peripheral items - keyboard, mouse leads etc.

For 'just add water' - my tablet is a black screen type with a white scribe called chalk  %), doesn't need to update, compatible with all versions of OS's, changing to a new page you swipe it from left to right with a damp cloth - takes a while to be able to do further work on it unless you use the back screen  :D.

Use vista at work with autocad LT 2008, if I need to do a more illustrative drawing i.e. a 3D visual for the clients to understand what our equipment would look like in the position they are having it fitted then I use either AutoCAD 2009 on the XP side of the pc (separate hard drive dual boot set up) or AutoCAD 2014 on the win 7 side, I prefer the earlier 2009 version as it is more user friendly.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: tsenecal on August 07, 2015, 03:03:10 pm
sorry not quite with you there....!!  {:-{ %%

android or Google for that matter ... there is not much difference... there you have to use there STORE and have a google account..
Microsoft and Window are not much better either... for anyone that has the versions 8 or higher.. were all the programs are stored at Microsoft... unless you have manually changed that to a local account...

its the way the computer World is going... just like the centralised software through Citrix, or the virtual computers housed in Blade units.. One Account and One Password (saved in the Active Directory) gets you a work station and all the software you need..




nope, you can "side load" apps onto a google phone.  you can use the amazon store instead of the google store.   most important to me though...  you can use a device like a thumb drive to move files around.   have you ever tried to put a tif file or a dxf file on a iphone?  nearly impossible.   I use my android phone itself as a thumb drive all the time to move files from the office to home or home to office.   impossible to do on an iphone.   and i hate the cloud.  i guess i am old school.   i also love the fact my android phone has a microSD slot, and a version of the OS that supports a 64gb capacity on that microsd card.   room for tons of stuff.   I also am able to take the microSD card out of my "action" camera (gopro) and plug it directly into my phone, to see what my sub just recorded, as soon as i take it out of the water.


and yes, getting back to OT...  my windows boxes all use local accounts.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: colin-d on August 07, 2015, 03:15:58 pm
I do have CorelDraw 12 which I use for the wiring diagrams, but it's really more of an illustrator's program than CAD and no substitute for AutoCAD for 'proper' technical drawing e.g. plans.
i could beg to differ ... but would that be a different thread..!!
the two attachments were drawn using CorelDraw15
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: grendel on August 07, 2015, 09:13:42 pm
Colin, sorry, but as a CAD draughtsman (and ex drawing office manager) I wouldnt call that a drawing, (other than in a vary basic way), proper CAD can do so much more. see attached. which were drawn up in 3d in CAD. as an additional comment more on topic, I upgraded my win 7 machine to win 10, it has 2 CAD packages, autocad and microstation (though autocad is the studdent version) and after the update to win 10, both packages continued to function perfectly (though initially microstation had trouble getting the licence- I think I had to re-input the wifi password).
Grendel
ps - the royal tudor pdf is a 3d pdf and is rotatable if you have the right version of pdf reader.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Stavros on August 08, 2015, 08:03:26 am
Honestly lads I don't honestly know why you are having problems with win 10.....just installed it last night....far far better than win 7 or even 8.....far far easier to use.....I am NO computer geek at all but for a numpty is is easy peasy to use maybe it is to easy for the computer geek out there.

Dave
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: ballastanksian on August 08, 2015, 08:57:10 am
For those who are waiting to see how it all goes with Win 10, I had a pop up with natty clock ticking away telling me that I ought to download it while it was still free.

 
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: barriew on August 08, 2015, 09:05:00 am
Honestly lads I don't honestly know why you are having problems with win 10.....just installed it last night....far far better than win 7 or even 8.....far far easier to use.....I am NO computer geek at all but for a numpty is is easy peasy to use maybe it is to easy for the computer geek out there.

Dave


I agree Stavros - no problems at all. One program didn't work, but a fix was soon found. However, if you're expecting Cortana to be available (in the UK), you have to do some work loading extra language packs


[size=78%]Barrie[/size]
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: warspite on August 08, 2015, 11:25:43 am
what like proper english like wot i speak
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Just Add Water on August 08, 2015, 05:08:25 pm
what like proper english like wot i speak




OH? And wot skool did you went to, wen you was a children ?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: warspite on August 08, 2015, 07:01:45 pm
a real posh won, I still have a tab let from it, it got 11 commandmants, last one sayz - though shalt not remove from school
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: ixion on August 08, 2015, 07:25:52 pm
Windows 7 and Windows 10 run fine on my Mac!



Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: tobyker on August 08, 2015, 10:43:30 pm
seems nice to use but taking ages to load when first switched on. I hope the machine gets used to it. Quite good speed when it does come up.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: MikeK on August 08, 2015, 10:54:44 pm
Installed it onto laptop, agree with tobyker about load time. Also mine has developed a curious trick of shutting down a few seconds after the Win ten logo appears. As soon the as the on/off button pressed again, everything loads as per normal ..............weird or what ? Otherwise seems ok.
Trust me to have a laptop with attitude  %%


Mike
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Liverbudgie2 on August 08, 2015, 11:34:04 pm
Looking at the latest comments I'm assuming that you can load win 10 into a separate partition and run from there, is that correct?

LB
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: malcolmfrary on August 09, 2015, 09:41:19 am
Looking at the latest comments I'm assuming that you can load win 10 into a separate partition and run from there, is that correct?

LB
No reason why it shouldn't, BUT it would then become a new, clean, installation rather that a free upgrade of an existing "legal" system.  M$ would want paying before letting it work.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: MikeK on August 09, 2015, 12:26:57 pm


Took it off again this morning, not happy with computer shutting down by itself. Reverting to Win 7 straightforward, only took a few minutes and everything appears to be back wher it belongs (looking around for nearest bit of touchable wood  %) )

Mike
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: nivapilot on August 09, 2015, 06:26:56 pm
Had it downloaded onto my laptop, running windows 7....and it all seems fine for the last four days :-))
Only thing is I am finding it harder to just transfer files from a dongle, and more difficult to locate certain files........but I like it.
Don't know why my daughters laptop, won't run Firefox....mine does.. ;)

Oh and as I had a new hard drive fitted 6mths ago, and insisting that 7 was loaded on, I have a setup disc for 7 home premium....so if it all goes pete tong, I can reload from disc..happy days.
Title: Windows 10?.
Post by: Big Ada on August 14, 2015, 10:42:45 pm
Should I accept a Free Update to 10 from 8.?
Martin, please move to the correct section if in wrong one.

Len.
Title: Re: Windows 10?.
Post by: Footski on August 15, 2015, 07:06:02 am
I upgraded from 7 to 10 a couple of weeks ago. It got rid of a nasty virus I have had on the laptop and is faster to load and shut down. Okay, it may take a while to get used to it, but so far so good. It has a great little photo editing system, which is easy to use and very effective. All in all I am very pleased with it.
If your machine will take it, go for it. Once installed, if you don't like it, there is an option to return to your previous version if Windows, so nothing lost.
Title: Re: Windows 10?.
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 15, 2015, 07:34:09 am
Should I accept a Free Update to 10 from 8.?
Martin, please move to the correct section if in wrong one.

Len.
Hi Len. If you look in the chi chat section you will find a thread already on about w 10 with various. Feed back, I can't put the link on from my phone
 
 
Title: Re: Windows 10?.
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 15, 2015, 09:04:40 am
I upgraded from 7 to 10 a couple of weeks ago. It got rid of a nasty virus I have had on the laptop and is faster to load and shut down. Okay, it may take a while to get used to it, but so far so good. It has a great little photo editing system, which is easy to use and very effective. All in all I am very pleased with it.
If your machine will take it, go for it. Once installed, if you don't like it, there is an option to return to your previous version if Windows, so nothing lost.

There is commentary on here, that reverting back is only available for a limited time, think it was 1 month.
 Has anyone tried to go back after a month or more????
Also to go back do you need to reinstall the operating system or is it like using the system restore function.
Title: Re: Windows 10?.
Post by: warspite on August 15, 2015, 11:38:20 am
I upgraded from 7 to 10 a couple of weeks ago. It got rid of a nasty virus I have had on the laptop and is faster to load and shut down. Okay, it may take a while to get used to it, but so far so good. It has a great little photo editing system, which is easy to use and very effective. All in all I am very pleased with it.
If your machine will take it, go for it. Once installed, if you don't like it, there is an option to return to your previous version if Windiws, so nothing lost.

AAAHH - but its only fast since its not yet bloated with the garbage they auto download - although, if they are going to just update to fix problems and never change the core software and run win X forever, then it may not get bloated and therefore slow down, but hey ever the optimist - cannot see that happening, and any reverting has to be within the 30 days
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Footski on August 15, 2015, 01:49:56 pm
30 days should be plenty of time to decide on its future on your computers.....and remember that if you keep it, ALL future updates are free, so nothing to lose really :-))
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: meechingman on August 16, 2015, 12:27:27 am
This PC has a totally separate XP and Win7 boot option. Only the W7 is aware of the net, so no worries about 'holes' in XP's security.


Why? Well, the XP side is totally stable and has been for several years when it was last reinstalled, and it has all of my music apps. I used to review them for the music press so I have a lot! These all work perfectly and I can boot into XP from startup with two clicks. 'Only' 32 bit and it can only 'see' half the RAM I have installed but it flies and does everything I want it to do.


I have recently shelled out a lot (around £1K) for the latest versions of my two major music apps (Cubase and Sibelius) that are 64 bit for running on W7, but I'll have to try all the 'virtual instruments' that I have, to see which ones work on W7. And guess what? W10 has 'broken' Cubase's technology to such an extent that they've told users not to upgrade. This technology (ASIO and VST) has been made freely available to the music app world and almost all music apps use them - so they're b****red too! As for Sibelius, total compatibility with W10 has not yet been confirmed, you're advise to wait, though some users are reporting no problems with their systems - so far.


As has been said before, there's no need to rush into W10. My son, senior IT tech at a large college (that still uses XP for the most part) won't even try it yet on his PCs. I might just try it on a 'spare' laptop that I can easily revert back to XP or W7. But not just yet!
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 16, 2015, 04:09:32 am

Here is another question for the computer buffs O0 O0

I convert to W10 and then convert back to W7 within the 30 days, (how this is achieved I am not aware).

After several months W10 is now looking better, am I able to convert again to W10? or is it one bite of the cherry?????
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 16, 2015, 07:08:58 am
 
I think It's a one off offer from Microsoft...
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 16, 2015, 10:47:48 pm
Another issue I have found is that the picture software will rotate pictures , but when you try to upload them they revert back to the original rotation, or at least they do on a well known auction site..
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: MikeK on August 17, 2015, 08:05:53 am
Here is another question for the computer buffs O0 O0

I convert to W10 and then convert back to W7 within the 30 days, (how this is achieved I am not aware).

After several months W10 is now looking better, am I able to convert again to W10? or is it one bite of the cherry?????

I reverted back to Win7 a couple of days after installing Win 10, because of this involuntary shut down during boot up fault it had acquired. On booting up in Win 7 now, it still displays the win 10 download logo on the taskbar and the small window appearing telling me to reserve my download, so it would appear I am still eligible for the second cherry bite  :embarrassed:

As far as reverting back, it was pretty straight forward, following instructions I found on Google. I won't attempt to describe it here as my attempts will undoubtedly make it sound a far worse operation that it is !   O0
 
Mike
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: U-33 on August 17, 2015, 09:30:40 am
I've just had an email from Microsoft telling me I can download Windows 10...on my iPad. I don't think so...  %)
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 17, 2015, 10:29:59 am
I reverted back to Win7 a couple of days after installing Win 10, because of this involuntary shut down during boot up fault it had acquired. On booting up in Win 7 now, it still displays the win 10 download logo on the taskbar and the small window appearing telling me to reserve my download, so it would appear I am still eligible for the second cherry bite  :embarrassed:

As far as reverting back, it was pretty straight forward, following instructions I found on Google. I won't attempt to describe it here as my attempts will undoubtedly make it sound a far worse operation that it is !   O0
 
Mike

Mike,

Thank you :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: wombat on August 17, 2015, 12:01:06 pm
If you look on the interwebs there are instructions on how to force the upgrade - I had to do it twice, first time it made the laptop unusable. Turned out is was the HP fingerprint reader software arguing with the windows one. A sneaky uninstall and happiness  broke out.

After 8.1 I was already to hate Windows 10 - Now I have used it some I am pleasantly surprised.

Wom
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 17, 2015, 12:47:13 pm
Here is a hidden extra for all those with Windows 10

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/digital-life/computers/fears-windows-10-will-blow-data-caps-20150817-gj0i98.html

Suppose more will become apparent as time progresses.

In summary it recommends not to download at this time, which is consistent with recommendations by others and if downloaded to roll back.

Makes interesting reading.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Footski on August 17, 2015, 02:37:35 pm
I've just had an email from Microsoft telling me I can download Windows 10...on my iPad. I don't think so...  %)


Hey Rich,
I never took you for a wimp!!! %%  Go for it.....I think it is superb. Sure there are bound to be some teething problems, but all in all, I reckon it is the best Windows yet.. :-))
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Just Add Water on August 17, 2015, 04:47:03 pm
Mac = no probs.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 17, 2015, 07:29:18 pm
Here is a hidden extra for all those with Windows 10

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/digital-life/computers/fears-windows-10-will-blow-data-caps-20150817-gj0i98.html

Suppose more will become apparent as time progresses.

In summary it recommends not to download at this time, which is consistent with recommendations by others and if downloaded to roll back.

Makes interesting reading.

Just trying to make news, I have had no Real issues with W10 that I have not had other issues with other OS systems, w10 is here to stay so embrace the power.. :-)

Now that is interesting, I can not click on the smiley icon but if I revert back to just the characters it works !! :-(
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: grendel on August 17, 2015, 08:50:28 pm
I dont worry about data limits as I am on BT infinity 2 with no data cap, I know this to be true as my daughter went to work for BT, and as part of their training they looked up their internet usage, at one point we were using 1Tb of bandwidth per month (1000Gb /month).
Grendel
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 19, 2015, 07:57:49 pm
I cannot upgrade my Windows 8.1 HP desktop as although the Windows App says my machine is fully compatible it contradicts itself by also saying that 'critical hardware components made by Intel for your PC don't have drivers for Windows 10 yet. Unhelpfully it won't tell you what those components are! Looking on the Net this is becoming an increasing problem with people tearing their hair out and no response from Microsoft, Intel or the big manufacturers except to run the Intel Driver Update Tool which everyone has done and which shows no drivers need updating! HP have their own driver update tool and that shows everything up to date as well.

By contrast Windows says it is happy to upgrade my Toshiba laptop but this is running Windows 7 which I might stick with.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Andyn on August 19, 2015, 10:33:54 pm
Mac = no probs.


No problems on OSX Doge either

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/Andy_Nightingale/Screen%20Shot%202015-08-19%20at%2022.30.57_zpsv8ngllm1.png)
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: deadbeat on August 20, 2015, 12:06:25 am
Does anyone have concerns regarding the privacy of your data if you accept the terms and conditions of Windows 10. Apparently, according to the press, if you accept the T&Cs you give Microsoft access to just about everything on your device and what you do on the web, including credit card info, contact lists, e-mails and content, texts, etc, etc. If you use that stupid thing Contana Microsoft also collect everything you say to it (apparently). You also give them permission to target you for ads and to sell your data on to third parties. The T&Cs are 45 pages long worth reading I think, how many have read them I wonder.

Could anyone put my mind at ease about this as I find this invasion of privacy appalling.

I'm not entitled to a free upgrade as I'm still on Vista (run in classic mode), but eventually I may have to go to W10 when I replace my PC.

Also Windows 10 automatically gives your wifi passwords to everyone on your contact list provided they are also on W10, this can be turned off, but why did they make it automatic enabled instead of requiring manual enablement???????
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 20, 2015, 10:41:03 am
 
Don't think there anything new there really... it's just that Microsoft are being more up front about it!
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: GAZOU on August 20, 2015, 10:58:06 am
 {:-{ :(( >:-o

You activate Windows 10

10 minutes after you deactivate.

It is too late, Windows 10 has already registered  all the data which he did not have of you      >>:-(
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: warspite on August 20, 2015, 02:25:07 pm
welcome to 2015 less 372 months   %) :} {-)
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Andyn on August 20, 2015, 06:12:21 pm
I'm not entitled to a free upgrade as I'm still on Vista (run in classic mode)


You're using Vista and are worried about security issues? {-)
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 20, 2015, 06:32:09 pm
 :-))

You're using Vista and are worried about security issues? {-)
{-) {-)
 
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: ixion on August 20, 2015, 07:41:53 pm

No problems on OSX Doge either






Google Chrome, nooooooooooo!
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 20, 2015, 09:21:16 pm
OS X Doge

Many Speed, Very Graphics, Much Great, Cr*p Spielchicker  ok2
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 20, 2015, 09:33:41 pm
In  regards the smileys, it would appear it is just here I can not use them have tried other forums and all is ok ?.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 20, 2015, 09:53:03 pm
On researching my own problem I saw a reference to the effect that Microsoft only does a recheck of your computer's readiness once a month on the 15th so even if you have downloaded the necessary drivers etc. nothing will happen until the next 15th of the month!

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 20, 2015, 10:17:43 pm

Is there any way to stop the request to upgrade to Win 10 from  'popping up'  every time I switch on please.

ken

Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Andyn on August 20, 2015, 10:19:23 pm
OS X Doge

Many Speed, Very Graphics, Much Great, Cr*p Spielchicker  ok2


I refer you to Doge: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=doge&espv=2&biw=1680&bih=955&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI1_jkjcu4xwIVJ1nbCh2BBwXP


Nope Ken, you're in this for the long haul ;)
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 20, 2015, 10:20:51 pm

Oh Good news.  Thanks Andy,  hope you're well.     :-))

ken

Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 20, 2015, 10:21:09 pm
Is there any way to stop the request to upgrade to Win 10 from  'popping up'  every time I switch on please.

ken

Yes, Upgrade :-)
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Andyn on August 20, 2015, 10:24:26 pm
Or alternatively, follow these simple steps  :-))
http://www.myce.com/news/how-to-uninstall-kb3035583-the-windows-10-downloader-for-windows-7-and-8-1-75681/


I'm very well Ken, hope you are too
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 21, 2015, 10:27:47 am

Yes, all is well at Sleepy Towers.  Thanks for the Web info.  I have copied it all for future reference.   :}

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 21, 2015, 10:42:50 am
 
Yes, that what I did... freed up 6Gig of disk space!
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: BarryM on August 29, 2015, 08:37:39 am
In  regards the smileys, it would appear it is just here I can not use them have tried other forums and all is ok ?.

My problem too since downloading Win 10.  Smileys/Emoticons do not work on Mayhem. Does anybody have the solution?

BM
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 29, 2015, 11:21:46 am

You are doomed to use the forum's smiles  as yours are deemed photos and have to be entered below the text separately.

Hope this helps

ken
 
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: BarryM on August 29, 2015, 11:57:52 am
Ken,
Not really - it's the Forums smileys that no longer work for me. Previously, I clicked on them and they were inserted in the text of the posting. Now I click on them and --- nothing!
Regards,
Barry M
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: grendel on August 29, 2015, 02:14:19 pm
when I am at work, copy and paste dont work in any forums and only about 50% of my posts actually post, as its work, I just live with it.
Grendel
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 29, 2015, 06:10:11 pm
You are doomed to use the forum's smiles  as yours are deemed photos and have to be entered below the text separately.

Hope this helps

ken

Ken
It is the Forums Smileys which are not working ..
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: nivapilot on August 29, 2015, 07:37:38 pm
I'm on windows 10, upgraded from 7 and my smilies work as they should.

 ok2 ;) :-)) %) :o :} :D :embarrassed: ;D O0 {-) %% {:-{ :(( >:-o >>:-( <*< <:( 8) :P :-X :kiss: :police:

Yep.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 29, 2015, 07:44:18 pm
ummm !!!

Shall test the laptop and see If that works ..
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: BarryM on August 29, 2015, 08:03:34 pm
I am also on Win 10 upgraded from Win 7 and my smileys don't work on Mayhem!  :<( :<( :<(

BM
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: nivapilot on August 29, 2015, 08:43:59 pm
seems that upgrading to 10 causes some problems then, my daughters won't run firefox, or it will but very slowly, mines ok.....so it seems to be selective....... {:-{
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 29, 2015, 10:43:18 pm
Just spent the last hour and a half upgrading at last! All seems to have gone smoothly so far but it's early days yet. Emoticons don't seem to work in the Forum though. (But it does seem to work on the Model Boats site though therefore it must be all your fault Martin.)

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Stavros on August 29, 2015, 10:59:55 pm
Colin it is not Martin's fault at all I can use them with win 10 no probs at all if I use firefox as a browser

Dave
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 29, 2015, 11:13:08 pm
I think Colin was pulling Martins leg, we just can't put up pretty faces :-)  accept this one if you use the symbols, Probably needs SMF updated, but we all no the trouble that causes  smiley face , thumbs up hash tag

Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: inertia on August 29, 2015, 11:25:36 pm
Just had a long day changing operating systems; VISTA to Win 7 and Server 2003 back to XP Pro (mainly for my venerable copy of AutoCAD R14).
W10? No thanks - not until I have no other choice.
I really can't see the point in changing just for change's sake. My hardware wouldn't be up to it anyway, and I can do everything I need to do with what I now have.
DM
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 29, 2015, 11:43:14 pm
I was trying out the new MS Edge Browser. Looks like it has some minor incompatibilities with other software. Trying out the Windows 10 Emoji: 😃

As you can see, it works but not very exciting!

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 30, 2015, 09:00:35 am
.
 :-) ok2 ;) :-)) %) :o :} :D :embarrassed: ;D O0 {-) %% {:-{ :(( >:-o >>:-( <*< <:( 8) :P :-X :kiss: :police:

All 24 work for me but hey I am using Win7 Pro
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 31, 2015, 03:32:05 pm
Interesting! Using the new Edge browser which comes with Windows 10 I had problems with the text editor on the Model Boats website. A bit of Googling suggested that this is because Edge doesn't support the 'compatibility view' settings in IE which enables older software designed for earlier versions of IE to be run properly.

So I have switched to IE in Windows 10 and when I try to put a smiley into a post on here it displays the characters rather than the smiley picture but shows the smiley properly in the preview so the following might just possibly look OK in the actual post itself:     :-)) %) %% {-)

Looking at the comparisons, I don't think I need the extra features provided by MS Edge anyway.

Colin

Edit: It worked!  :-)) :-)) ok2 Looks like the smiley issue is browser dependent when using Windows 10 then.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 31, 2015, 04:00:13 pm
IE11 is noticeably faster than Edge too!

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: U-33 on August 31, 2015, 04:21:40 pm
I'll stick to my good old Linux Mint...  :-))
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 31, 2015, 04:44:38 pm
 %) :-)) ;) :} :D :embarrassed:

So it Does

Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on August 31, 2015, 05:56:26 pm
IE11 is noticeably faster than Edge too!

Colin
Edge is probably learning about you.  All about you.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on August 31, 2015, 06:14:54 pm
Well its not doing a very good job as it should have learnt that we like to use the smiley faces  <*<
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: BarryM on August 31, 2015, 06:28:44 pm
I can't say I see any difference between IE and Edge. All I know is that my smiley faces - and the not-so-smiley faces - have gone and never called me Mother.

This is me pulling an unhappy face ..............................................................   Can you see it?
Disgruntled
Barry M
PS I made sure that the demon Microsoft's default of nabbing every bit of personal info was well and truly stuffed before I let Win 10 and Edge loose.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 31, 2015, 06:48:43 pm
Quote
PS I made sure that the demon Microsoft's default of nabbing every bit of personal info was well and truly stuffed before I let Win 10 and Edge loose.

Me too!

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 01, 2015, 01:32:48 am
Well its not doing a very good job as it should have learnt that we like to use the smiley faces  <*<

 O0 O0 {-) {-) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 03, 2015, 08:52:57 am

An interesting read and how not to install Win10


https://askleo.com/setting-up-windows-10-for-privacy/?awt_l=J72BJ&awt_m=JWsnEii1_JdfbL


Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: BarryM on September 03, 2015, 09:59:46 am
Very interesting - and helpful - article. Thanks for that.

BM
(I'd give you a 'thumbs up' smiley if this system allowed it.)
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: nivapilot on September 03, 2015, 10:18:21 am
 :-))
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: BarryM on September 03, 2015, 12:20:32 pm
Thanks Nivapilot. :<)

BM
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: html on September 04, 2015, 04:26:37 pm
I had problems upgrading, had to turn off AVG and eject both my portable hard drives. All went well after that, I have even resolved the requirement to log in with a password. Did not like the Edge web page so set it back to Google, PC definitely loads up faster.
Private info worries, Microsoft have been taking that info without telling us since Win95 they have just decided to come clean.
The slowest software to load strangely enough is any of the Office 2013 suite of software, it used to be much quicker under Win 7 Pro.

Brian
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: GrahamD on September 04, 2015, 06:17:03 pm
Best thing I did was UNINSTALL it  {-)  (you only have 30 days to roll back to last OS, after that its more complex or total re-install)
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on September 04, 2015, 07:07:03 pm
Mine seems to be settling down OK now. Even the mail client seems to work well.

It's easy to rubbish it as a kneejerk reaction but if something goes wrong it's not necessarily Windows that is the problem. Other hardware and software suppliers don't always keep to the rules and you can't keep patching things up indefinitely to prop up legacy software, this is one reason for the complaints of 'bloatware' on previous versions. So far all my stuff seems to work fine with Windows 10 and the upgrade process was seamless. If you are pushing the envelope you are more likely to run into problems but mainstream stuff seems to be generally OK. I have seen complaints that the system will not support more than 500 simultaneous Apps and you think 'get a life, who needs 500 Apps?'. It's like those people who proudly claim to have 10,000 songs in their ITunes library - and have listened to only a tiny proportion of them.

Things do go wrong but a bit of intelligent problem solving can usually either fix them or give you a workaround. Those of us who have worked in IT know only too well just how difficult it can be to cater for all possible eventualities. Users have a genius for coming up with scenarios you would never have imagined! The important thing is to fix problems when they are identified and that is what Microsoft appears to be doing.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Brian60 on September 04, 2015, 08:01:50 pm
Microsoft has its snout in everything now. Yesterday I had recourse to update my printer software, go online to HP to do it and I get a re-direct to the 'Store' to download an 'App' Trouble was to download the 'app' I had to give microsoft access to all my other software so that it could give me a 'master' password to use all my  software! This is with 8.1 so no way am I going to use win 10 until its absolutely the last thing to do.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on September 04, 2015, 08:20:21 pm
Why do you need an App to do that Brian? Can't you just download the driver directly which is the usual method for most manufacturers. I have an HP computer and had to update a number of drivers for bits of internal hardware and an updated Bios but did it all from the HP website, never went anywhere near Microsoft. My printer is a relatively old Canon all in one and the Canon website said there were no W10 specific drivers and that the W8 ones should be OK which they seem to be at the moment.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 04, 2015, 11:42:33 pm
Best thing I did was UNINSTALL it  {-)  (you only have 30 days to roll back to last OS, after that its more complex or total re-install)

Using the link in reply 158, also has how to get back from Win10.

Also the main thrust is to sit and wait while early birders  sort out/find problems etc etc then if it all pans out update to win 10.

Their is also commentary in Oz PC mags that the early birds are actually testing a beta Win10.???
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Brian60 on September 05, 2015, 08:29:55 am
Why do you need an App to do that Brian? Can't you just download the driver directly which is the usual method for most manufacturers. I have an HP computer and had to update a number of drivers for bits of internal hardware and an updated Bios but did it all from the HP website, never went anywhere near Microsoft. My printer is a relatively old Canon all in one and the Canon website said there were no W10 specific drivers and that the W8 ones should be OK which they seem to be at the moment.

Colin

That's the problem Colin. My computer is a HP laptop, the printer is a HP laserjet. I put the disk that came with the printer in the computer and it prompted me to update online. Clicking the link I was re-directed from the  HP website to the 'Store' to download an 'app' which because it immediately popped up with Microsnot stuff I assume is a microsoft site. I've tried it 5 times up to now with the same result. I'll try again later to try and bypass it, but if not it can stay with its old software, it works so there is no reason to update it aside from the pop up telling me to do so.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on September 05, 2015, 12:01:50 pm
Brian, I assume it is a new printer then. If it already works then you should just be able to go direct to the HP website http://www8.hp.com/uk/en/drivers.html and it should detect your device and automatically download any required driver updates - well, that's what should happen anyway! However, the new driver may simply update obscure features you never use.

RAAArtyGunner
Yes, it is usually best to sit back and let the 'leading edge' guys hit all the problems. However I think we should be fair to Microsoft. Putting together a new operating system is a horribly complex job and Windows 10 has reputedly been tested more than any previous version before being released. Calling it a Beta version is not altogether right as there are so many possible combinations of software and hardware that until it gets out in the wild there is no way to cover them all so it is inevitable that further discrepancies will be found and hopefully fixed.

To give an example, another website I belong to uses a freebie text editor which was developed for an earlier version of Internet Explorer and it doesn't work very well with the new Edge browser which comes with Windows 10. The reason is that Edge has ditched all the previous backwards compatibility settings in IE which allow older versions of software to continue working, the reasoning being that this will make Edge more efficient and quicker and that it isn't unreasonable to expect other software suppliers to keep up with the latest standards. So who do you blame?

Microsoft for releasing a browser that doesn't support legacy software?
The text editor software people for not updating their product (they may no longer be in business or have moved on to something more interesting)?
The website people who should perhaps have updated their site to use a different, more up to date text editor (but which may cause them knock on problems with their own system software)?

To give Microsoft credit, they do include the option to open legacy websites with IE11 which retains the compatibility options and which is also supplied with Windows 10 so that is one tolerable workaround. The other is to not use Edge at all and simply stay with IE11 which is what I am doing at the moment as I don't nee the extra features offered by Edge and on my PC it runs slower than IE11.

Colin



 
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Netleyned on September 05, 2015, 07:06:03 pm
Just downloaded to try it.
 :-)) :-)) :-))
So far so good.
Just trying smileys.
And they work O0 O0 O0
Ned
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: nivapilot on September 06, 2015, 11:06:21 am
Shhhh! don't say that Ned, you'll upset Barry and some others.... ;) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :}
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: BarryM on September 07, 2015, 05:21:26 pm
Too late - I've already read it! :<(  Definitely NOT smiling.

BM
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Netleyned on September 07, 2015, 05:23:19 pm
 :-)) :-)) :-))


Ned
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on September 07, 2015, 06:59:14 pm
Yeah  <*< <*< <*<
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on September 27, 2015, 03:48:38 pm
Ah well - my netbook converted OK last month, the desktop did the same a couple of weeks ago, updated my laptop (Compaq CQ56) yesterday, left it doing some tidying up overnight, it now appears to be a brick.  Turn on, black screen (really black) power light shows, the caps lock flashes and the wifi light shines.  It won't go into the setup screen (press esc early in power up) and safe mode doesn't get a look in.  It won't even try to boot from the DVD (or if it dies, it's not telling me). It looks like something 'orrible happened to the BIOS.  Of course, being a laptop, nothing is easy to get at.  <*< <*< <*<
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: essex2visuvesi on September 27, 2015, 04:07:59 pm
The flashing caps lock key is a bios/post error. You should see it flash a number of times. Count the number of flashes and then find out what the problem is.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Netleyned on September 27, 2015, 04:50:30 pm
Nine flashes tell you that you have downloaded Win 9  {:-{

Ned
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: essex2visuvesi on September 27, 2015, 05:54:24 pm
You'll find the error codes here:-
http://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c01732674#N215
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Cornishman on September 27, 2015, 06:08:32 pm
Just updated my Samsung laptop by following all the instructions, like checking all drivers are up to date, backing up, saving a system image etc.
Everything was very straight forward and Windows 10 is working perfectly. All original programs that were installed all working OK.
First thoughts, Much better than Windows 8.1 and also faster. Like Windows Edge.
Also changed all privacy settings as advised.
Norton Internet Security, Microsoft Money 5, Office 2000 etc all working well


Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on September 27, 2015, 09:18:07 pm
You'll find the error codes here:-
http://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c01732674#N215 (http://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c01732674#N215)
Many thanks for that - I looked at the link, switched the dam fool machine on to do some counting and it fired up.  %%  These machines do know the best time to mess up, but it could be that they know fear, as well.  Don't know what is really happening, but my traffic meter shows a great deal of network traffic.  I think that for now I'll just leave it running and see what tomorrow brings.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: essex2visuvesi on September 27, 2015, 10:24:14 pm
Many thanks for that - I looked at the link, switched the dam fool machine on to do some counting and it fired up.  %%  These machines do know the best time to mess up, but it could be that they know fear, as well.  Don't know what is really happening, but my traffic meter shows a great deal of network traffic.  I think that for now I'll just leave it running and see what tomorrow brings.


Well thats good news :)
If its running and doing updates, do check it often to make sure its not getting too hot...... for some reason running multiple windows updates can make your machine the run quite hot, so make sure all your vents etc are free from dirt and debris
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on September 27, 2015, 10:41:25 pm
My Windows 10 on my PC was OK at first but became unstable following one of the updates and started rebooting at random intervals which is apparently not uncommon. After trying several suggested remedies without any effect I did a system restore from back when I first installed it and so far it has been behaving itself, fingers crossed!

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 27, 2015, 11:27:47 pm
 
I had someone ring me yesterday about Windows 10....

As soon as I answered the phone, there was a uninterrupted tirade of abuse about how unusable Windows 10 is!
I didn't know who it was at first but it sounded a bit like a very well respected family friend but the high pitch frantic vociferation made him almost unrecognisable!  Eventually I realised who it was he soon clammed down enough to ask how me to uninstall it.

For anyone else:
To see if you can uninstall Windows 10, go to Start > Settings > Update & security, and then select Recovery in the left of the window.
Look in the right of the window and you should see an option for Go back to Windows 7 or 8.
Click the Get started button below to begin the uninstallation process.


http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/computing/dont-like-windows-10-heres-how-to-get-rid-of-it-11363996318375



Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 27, 2015, 11:53:40 pm
 
Don't know if this works but it might be useful.

https://askleo.com/four-ways-to-go-back-to-windows-7-from-windows-10/?awt_l=J72BJ&awt_m=JGZR0YS17JdfbL

Still sitting on Win 7 and watching and waiting.


Also of interest.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/digital-life/cartech/complex-car-software-becomes-the-weak-spot-under-the-hood-20150927-gjw42x.html

Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on September 28, 2015, 08:01:45 am
Tomorrow has arrived and the restart went smoothly.  It only seems to be using about half the memory that was wanted under 7, but that might be because it is new and hasn't put on the puppy fat that computer systems gather as yet.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on September 28, 2015, 10:21:40 am

I have not taken them up on their offer.

However..........  they keep asking every time I switch on.  This has now graduated to a full page request, which needs cancelling.  I go very carefully as the buttons would seem to be close to the accepting ones.

Talk about  'on the edge'.              be careful out there.

ken
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: warspite on September 28, 2015, 10:30:35 am
Or alternatively, follow these simple steps  :-))
http://www.myce.com/news/how-to-uninstall-kb3035583-the-windows-10-downloader-for-windows-7-and-8-1-75681/

try this from earlier Tug---Kenny.

or alternatively, in the icon bar at the bottom of the screen (the one with the big start button in), right button click in a clear area and select properties in the box that pops up, there may be 3 tabs at the top, in the first tab mid way is a customise button for notifications, click on it and find the reference for GWX or get windows X and change the notification to 'never' or 'hide', should stop the pesky get windows box, just change it again if it reverts back.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on September 28, 2015, 11:02:06 am

Thank you.

I followed the instructions and hid it as suggested.

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 28, 2015, 12:21:20 pm
 
Worked for me too.

Thank you :-))  :-))
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 28, 2015, 03:44:24 pm
 
Jeremy Vine ( BBC Radio 2 ) had a big thing on Windows 10 today:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06cvt44
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: warspite on September 28, 2015, 05:28:36 pm
It was on a web site called www.techguy.org - there a mine of information and help for computer problems.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on October 03, 2015, 01:46:54 pm
Ah well!!
After last weeks tribulations I was hoping for a long association with Win 10 on my laptop, but it cocked its toes up again this morning.  A "workaround cure" for the CQ56 that I found on the net was to leave it trying to boot with the cooling disabled for a half hour or so.  It seems that there is a problem with the mainboard on some of them that responds to a bit of overheating - probably a dry joint that a bit of expansion cleans.  I don't regard this as conducive to reliability, so a new laptop it is.  Just now upgrading it to Win 10 from the detestable Win 8.
It could be that the amount of work that this one had to do was the straw that broke the joint, and the actual problem was with the laptop and not Windows.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 03, 2015, 04:43:28 pm
Ah well!!
After last weeks tribulations I was hoping for a long association with Win 10 on my laptop, but it cocked its toes up again this morning.  A "workaround cure" for the CQ56 that I found on the net was to leave it trying to boot with the cooling disabled for a half hour or so.  It seems that there is a problem with the mainboard on some of them that responds to a bit of overheating - probably a dry joint that a bit of expansion cleans.  I don't regard this as conducive to reliability, so a new laptop it is.  Just now upgrading it to Win 10 from the detestable Win 8.
It could be that the amount of work that this one had to do was the straw that broke the joint, and the actual problem was with the laptop and not Windows.


This is a common fault with HP/Compaq laptops particularly some of the higher performance machines with high end 3D video cards (NVidia/ATi)
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on October 04, 2015, 04:50:26 pm
Not just the high end ones - a CQ56 must be somewhere near the bottom of the pile.  Typing this on its replacement after spending much of yesterday upping it to win 10 and since then figuring out which bits of rubbishware I don't need, which might be useful, and getting some proper programs installed.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Mad Scientist on October 11, 2015, 11:17:44 pm
Install ed Linux mint on my old (2009) HP desktop lat night. Dual-boot with Win 8, so I can switch between the two OSes, should Linux has trouble with old Win-capable programs. - Tom
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: tobyker on October 12, 2015, 07:09:08 pm
W10 still working fine on my PC once I'm in, but when re-starting after a shut down I get the green BIOS screen, one flash of the lights on the external backup HD, the little blue window appears on the top of the screen and the roundy-round thing starts rotating. After about 3 secs the roundy-round goes out, the small window remains and nothing else ever happens. When I press the reboot button I get the BIOS screen, the HD flashes away like billy-oh, the window and the roundy-round appears, then it all goes dark (but the mouse arrow works) then eventually the password screen appears and all is well. I can now tell from the lights on the HD if it is going to start properly or not! And no. my caps lock does not flash at all. Weird.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: JayDee on October 12, 2015, 07:37:55 pm
Hello,

I go to the Lake, and take some photos of my boat.
Return home and put the photos into the computer.

My camera is a half decent one, the photos are around 5 meg each,
I will have to resize them, to post them onto Mayhem.

The computer is running Windows 10.

HOW do I resize the photos, down to around 100k ?????.

John.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: JimG on October 12, 2015, 10:16:15 pm
Get a copy of Irfanview, this has a good batch convert mode for reducing the size of photos. Its the one I have used for several years now.

Jim
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Stavros on October 12, 2015, 10:41:52 pm
Or use Photobucket simple to use...


Dave
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: JayDee on October 12, 2015, 10:47:05 pm
Hello,

Why is there nothing like Irfanview already installed in Windows 10 ?.

This is the result from my first attempt with it !!.

John.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: JayDee on October 12, 2015, 11:25:22 pm
Thank you Jim G.
Irfanview is a bit complicated, but will get easier with future usage.

John.  :-)  :-)  :-) 
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on October 13, 2015, 12:45:27 am
Hi John
I have since XP used Pixresizer, will do 1 picture or 1000+ ) I have tested it)

http://bluefive.pair.com/pixresizer.htm

But make sure you click the link by the arrow drawn on the picture Not the big green button which says start install here as that is for some other software.

Also to make things easy I have 2 files on my c Drive.. " A " ( Source file ) where I put a copy of the larger file to be copied  and then " B " being the destination file.. Saves having to map the source and destination each time. and then using the slide bar to 800*600 is normally fine for Mayhem and all other sites.

Think I tried Irfanview but still found pixresizer simpler..  As you say this would have been an easy tool to add to W10


Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: barriew on October 13, 2015, 07:01:31 am
If you want something integrated with Windows Explorer, try Image Resizer - http://imageresizer.codeplex.com/
It installs as a right click option, and allows you to select the output size. It hasn't been updated since 2012, but has worked in Win7, Win8.1 and Win10


Barrie
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on October 13, 2015, 08:41:49 am
Hello,

Why is there nothing like Irfanview already installed in Windows 10 ?.

This is the result from my first attempt with it !!.

John.
There is. 
It's called "Microsoft Photo Editor".  If you right click the image file you want to look at, it is one of the options for opening with.  When the image opens, there is a drop down menu under "Image", one of the items there is "Resize".  Much the same with the extremely venerable "Paint". 
Obviously, with whatever program is used, you need to save it either elsewhere or with a different name to avoid losing the original.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on October 13, 2015, 08:55:51 am
There is. 
It's called "Microsoft Photo Editor".  If you right click the image file you want to look at, it is one of the options for opening with.  When the image opens, there is a drop down menu under "Image", one of the items there is "Resize".  Much the same with the extremely venerable "Paint". 
Obviously, with whatever program is used, you need to save it either elsewhere or with a different name to avoid losing the original.
Useless, as will only do 1 picture at a time.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 13, 2015, 10:36:00 am
If you want something integrated with Windows Explorer, try Image Resizer - http://imageresizer.codeplex.com/
It installs as a right click option, and allows you to select the output size. It hasn't been updated since 2012, but has worked in Win7, Win8.1 and Win10


Barrie

That's what I use  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on October 13, 2015, 05:50:09 pm
I use Image Resizer too. I need to have a number of different formats for the various pics on the Model Boats Website and have added and named my customised sizes to the menu list. The program works very well.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on October 13, 2015, 05:55:58 pm
On a somewhat different Windows 10 matter. I recently found that my system was becoming increasingly unstable with crashes perhaps three times a day when the system would either reboot without warning or simply go into a sort of coma which required switching the PC off and on manually. I tried all sorts of remedies suggested online without much effect including uninstalling the Trusteer Rapport security program for online banking which is reputed to sometimes cause problems. I also checked and updated all my hardware drivers.

The blackouts seemed to occur when using IE11 so I have now switched to Firefox and so far it has been OK (fingers crossed) I have also reinstalled Rapport so we will see how things go.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: grendel on October 13, 2015, 07:41:00 pm
if you click on the pictures, right click and select sent to - mail recipient, then windows will give you an option to resize the images, select the size and hit ok, then when the email opens copy the files and save them to a new folder, then close the email without sending.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Stavros on October 13, 2015, 08:20:28 pm
This really tickles me I am an absoloute computer Noob and since installing win 10 and using IE 11 I havnt had a single problem except no smilies on this site...so what....SO is it you computer wiz kids who are playing far to much and buggering the system up...METHINKS YES.........



Dave..................waiting for the flack PMSL
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 13, 2015, 08:32:53 pm
This really tickles me I am an absoloute computer Noob and since installing win 10 and using IE 11 I havnt had a single problem except no smilies on this site...so what....SO is it you computer wiz kids who are playing far to much and buggering the system up...METHINKS YES.........



Dave..................waiting for the flack PMSL


No Issues with W10 here either and smileys work too  :-))
But then I'm running windows on a Mac  ;D
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on October 14, 2015, 10:20:40 am
Useless, as will only do 1 picture at a time.
If you only want to resize one or two pictures, not a real problem, but M$ only supply the bare basics with their OS which leaves room for the aftermarket.  Hence the likes of programs like Image Resizer, which do cater for those who need a bit more.
 {:-{   Trial smiley to see if it works.  It does in preview.
Trusteer Rapport - I did have a problem with that - it suddenly started hogging all of the available memory (looking in Task Manager) and if I remember right, much of the CPU capacity as well.  It might or might not have been reacting with another program, but since Trusteer were of the opinion that PCs are there to run their security software and nothing else, it went.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on October 14, 2015, 01:11:42 pm
Smileys only work for me if I use IE Explorer, Edge will not do it for me.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Stavros on October 14, 2015, 03:29:36 pm
 O0

Dave
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on October 14, 2015, 04:44:02 pm
Smileys only work for me if I use IE Explorer, Edge will not do it for me.
I was using Chrome.  It is quite possible that the MS offerings, being, as I have heard, not particularly compliant with industry standards, will fail occasionally when they run into something that is.  Different MS programs might work, or fail, differently.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on November 14, 2015, 12:25:29 pm
First Major update this coming Thursday  :} :}
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: FsASTSyd1 on November 14, 2015, 12:54:53 pm
Hi Longbuild - got the update this morning,running fine, now keeping fingers, and everything else, crossed.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on November 14, 2015, 01:14:14 pm
Wonder if this coming Thursday was in fact last Thursday as just found it sitting in the notifications box, Updated now..

!! tey gnorw gnihton ees nac I dnA



Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 14, 2015, 01:58:41 pm
It was this last week, there is quite a bit of information online about it. Last night my PC refused to shut down and apparently went to sleep so I shut it down manually and then restarted it whereupon it did lots of updating including another restart before powering up as usual. My notification indicated that some updates were not installed to I set the PC to run a check but it didn't seem to be able to find anything. It is supposed to be quicker to boot up as a result of the update and it did seem to this morning.

Whether it's safe to go back to using IE11 I don't know. Firefox has its plus points but it isn't compatible with everything.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: grendel on November 14, 2015, 05:42:13 pm
just rebooting my win10 machine remotely, its doing a lot of configuring as it shuts down.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Captain Povey on November 16, 2015, 10:42:51 am
I am no computer wiz kid so waited for the feed back from the early converts. I upgraded a couple of weeks ago and all seems ok. There was a panic moment during the change when the screen went black for ages and nothing seemed to be happening but the usual cure of switching off and back on again fixed it. There are a couple of things I used to use that have been moved to new places and took a bit of finding. All in All in all its ok. I havn't used the new browser yet and probably wont. I have yet to find the big advantage in using 10 but then I do not do much more than the basics. Graham
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: grendel on November 16, 2015, 11:58:43 am
just rebooting my win10 machine remotely, its doing a lot of configuring as it shuts down.

It did seem a bit faster after the update, but we will see.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: warspite on November 16, 2015, 01:07:02 pm
My son has win 10 on his pc, but hasn't yet said anything about updates, he has already asked for additions - like more ram, so he can play bigger games on it, but it is a HP dc7800 and the PSU is too small to accomodate to many extras, he even thinks that swapping out the 2 x 1GB's and fitting a single 4GB stick will improve it - from what i remember, two sticks are better than one, the motherboard may not allow him to exceed 4GB in any format as its running 32 bit win 10, so i have to think about getting win 7 64 bit - load that and let him update to win 10 64 bit and add then 2 x 2GB or 4 x 2GB or even 2 x 4GB as it would not be limited to 4GB but 8GB - i could be wrong - anyway why should he get a new pc  :} 
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: radiojoe on November 20, 2015, 02:40:06 pm
I upgraded my oldest windows 7  laptop to Windows 10 download, after it finished installing  the old laptop seemed to have a new lease of life it was faster and so far hasn't froze like it used to on a fairly regular basis, it's been a few days now and I'm gradually getting used to it, however I have found one anomally, after filling in a e-mail address a popup said unvalid address on checking it I noticed instead of a @ it had a  "  I tried again and the same thing happened, so I tried a bit of logic and entered  " and yes I got @  so now I have to remember  that these two symbols are back to front so to speak, maybe the updates will cure it. Ho and the smileys don't work either.

so has anyone else come across this after downloading Windows 10
Joe
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 20, 2015, 03:05:35 pm
 
Check your Language setting  or Keyboard layout!

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/time-language-settings-windows-10


 
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: radiojoe on November 20, 2015, 04:16:35 pm
Cheers Martin, all settings were as they should be, except the keyboard was US Querty so I changed it to UK Querty and that did the trick.

Still cannot use the smileys though.
Joe
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: grendel on November 20, 2015, 08:29:03 pm
american keyboard layout, switch to english and it should be ok
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: radiojoe on November 20, 2015, 08:45:49 pm
Cheers Martin, all settings were as they should be, except the keyboard was US Querty (so I changed it to UK Querty and that did the trick)

Still cannot use the smileys though.
Joe


????
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: grendel on November 20, 2015, 09:09:52 pm
moral - read page 2 of posts before replying
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: radiojoe on November 20, 2015, 09:17:44 pm
Thanks anyway Grendel.  :-))
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: BrianB6 on November 21, 2015, 01:35:40 am
Has it changed your keyboard from UK to USA style or vice versa?
I sometimes find that windows upgrades do this.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: FsASTSyd1 on December 05, 2015, 09:31:22 am
Anybody having a problem with the latest Win 10 update (KB3116908) try the attached, worked for me.
Syd J


http://news.softpedia.com/news/how-to-fix-windows-10-cumulative-update-kb3116908-installation-issues-497114.shtml
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: essex2visuvesi on December 05, 2015, 10:31:34 am
Having issues with my Dad's laptop


Keeps saying that windows is not activated.  Very strange as it was upgraded from 8 through windows update and the windows 8 was the factory installed version.
More strange is that it says that is unable to connect to the corporate network, which apparently it needs to in order to activate successfully
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on December 05, 2015, 10:45:15 am
With all these Windows issues it is best to do a general internet search as you will almost always find somebody else with the same problem as you.

And discover why it can't be fixed!  <:(

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Klunk on December 05, 2015, 06:06:46 pm
I upgraded several months ago. Had a home network on the old system (winxp) but it never really got used. I had my stepmother in law over from Australia a couple of months ago so thought I would get a now tv box and run that through the network. Problem is o cannot get a home group set up. Followed all the jn line advice ie turn sll other pcs off. It let's me start doing the jnitial set up but then says it cannot complete it as there is no homegroup ! Have spoken at length to MS who initially blamed it on the router (virgin superhub 2) spoke to virgin who said it's nothing yo do with them as I can connect to the j tenet etc. Any ideas?????
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Bowwave on December 05, 2015, 06:53:41 pm
Recently acted on the Microsoft prompts to down load windows 10. I have to confess after reading some of the problems encountered  I was rather hesitant  but  I took the chance pressed the  down load  button  and went away for two hours.  Returned to a superb set up. The system works and as it said all my windows 7 icons   and   the rest of my files are   exactly as I left them. The start-up page is different, the machine works faster and there are a number of features that are slightly different but they do the same job. All in all Iím very happy with the results.   :-))
Bowwave
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: derekwarner on December 05, 2015, 08:03:42 pm
...... :o...."I had my stepmother in law over from Australia"....I think there lies your answer  {-)........Derek
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: essex2visuvesi on December 06, 2015, 01:16:24 am
Funnily enough, its happy again now... Windows is now activated again with no user intervention


Dad said when he shut it down this afternoon it did some updates, and this evening the activation warnings had gone


I checked and it is indeed activated again
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on December 06, 2015, 05:12:29 am

It would seem that big brother AKA Microsoft is in control.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Bob K on December 06, 2015, 01:50:45 pm
What I can't figure is why anyone would want to risk a stable computer setup with an early release into the complete unknown, possibly ending in disaster as many M/S systems have been wont to do.
Unless you are on XP and worried about them cutting off support, anything later have all been fraught with a series of calamities.
I have MS 8.1, which took a couple of weeks to get rid of it's mobile phone appearance and numerous other annoyances, and get it set up in a way that was at least useful. Still no answer to it's predilection for saving to "somewhere" invisible in a cloud by default.
An operating system is merely the workbench on which your useful tools reside.
To date M/S still can't decide whether to replace IE11 with Edge, Spartan, or just keep IE11 "temporarily".
Frankly, best wait till Sept 2016 (free until then) before making any decision, to at least give M/S the chance to fix the many problems still being reported and with updates on an almost daily basis.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on December 06, 2015, 06:10:14 pm
My PC still crashes intermittently with Internet Explorer in use but not Firefox. No idea why.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: radiojoe on December 06, 2015, 07:01:36 pm
It's been a couple of weeks since I got an offer to download windows 10, as it was my oldest laptop that was prone to freezing on a regular basis I thought I'd give it a try, left it for a couple of hours and came back to what seemed like a new laptop, it's faster hasn't frozen in two weeks, all I can say is so far so very good, there is a learning curve to new features etc. And had to change from the American querty key board, But I'm happy with it. :-))
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: g6swj on December 12, 2015, 11:12:41 am
Where is my hard disk?

New Dell PC arrived yesterday - it has installed a 256GB SSD drive, 2TB Hard disk and a DVD drive.

I can see the hard disk physically in the PC case and the BIOS also recognises it.

Windows 10 - Devices and drives(2)  ( both in system devices and file explorer)
- OS(C:) - 256GB SSD
- BD-Rom Drive (H:)

I am doubting my sanity where is the hard disk - it's as though Windows 10 doesn't know it exists? Have I missed some great new Windows 10 feature (this is my first experience of the new OS) or have my good friends at Dell worked their black magic? I have a nagging feeling that this may have something to do with RAID  -  but we will see...

Any help/pointers much appreciated
Jonathan

Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Raen on December 12, 2015, 11:33:53 am
Where is my hard disk?

New Dell PC arrived yesterday - it has installed a 256GB SSD drive, 2TB Hard disk and a DVD drive.

I can see the hard disk physically in the PC case and the BIOS also recognises it.

Windows 10 - Devices and drives(2)  ( both in system devices and file explorer)
- OS(C:) - 256GB SSD
- BD-Rom Drive (H:)

I am doubting my sanity where is the hard disk - it's as though Windows 10 doesn't know it exists? Have I missed some great new Windows 10 feature (this is my first experience of the new OS) or have my good friends at Dell worked their black magic? I have a nagging feeling that this may have something to do with RAID  -  but we will see...

Any help/pointers much appreciated
Jonathan


Jonathan it sounds to me like either the drive is not formatted or it is unassigned in the operating system.
See here (https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/3c58601c-9591-4fa2-89bf-8cc22ab9a588/i-cant-see-my-internal-2tb-hard-drive-after-installing-windows-8-only-my-ssd?forum=w8itproinstall) and here (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/change-add-remove-drive-letter#1TC=windows-7) for more possible ideas on how to fix this issue.


Note: I am still on Win 7, the second link is a guide to change drive letters in the win 7 operating system however I assume the method would be similar in Win 10.


Cheers, Tim.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Perkasaman2 on December 12, 2015, 02:47:36 pm
I 'm following Bob's advice concerning W10 and leaving my W7 well alone. I am a total numpty when it comes to puters. (It's snowing in Newcastle as I type.)      Perky
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: grendel on December 13, 2015, 10:54:41 am
if you cant see a hard disc, go to 'This PC' 0pen that then look along the top ribbon for manage and click that. once it opens you want disc manager. this will show you all the hard drives including their formatting state and the drive letter they are assigned.
occasionally a hard drive will get the same drive letter assigned as another, then you will just see the one.
disc management will allow you to format a hard drive, and or change the drive letter assigned to it.
Grendel
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: g6swj on December 13, 2015, 11:31:26 am
Hi Grendel/Tim,
Thank you for pointers. It's a real mystery to me - drive appears in BIOS but not in any disk management function of windows 10. I am pretty familiar with IT and have a windows XP, vista and 7 pro PC on my desk but wanted to move these on with one new faster PC.


I will with some dread phone dell support tomorrow and I'll post the resolution on here


Jonathan



Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: SailorGreg on December 21, 2015, 01:19:48 pm
Just had an update to Windows 10 and now when playing games in the Microsoft Solitaire suite I keep getting a popup window telling me "Display driver stopped responding and has now recovered."  Except that it hasn't because the screen has frozen.  Only way out is to close the window and reopen it (when it gives me back the game I was playing and I can carry on).

I know playing games isn't terribly important in the grand scheme of things and this is simply annoying, but clearly something isn't right.  Before I go trawling around in the great ocean of Microsft issues, is there anyone here who can offer an explanation or solution, or at least tell me they get the same thing?  Or is it just me?  {:-{

Greg
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Cornishman on December 21, 2015, 04:40:48 pm
Did you make sure all you drivers were up to date before upgrading to Windows 10?
There is a program on the internet that will check and update all your drivers, but I cannot remember what it was called.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: philk on December 21, 2015, 09:11:40 pm
Did you make sure all you drivers were up to date before upgrading to Windows 10?
There is a program on the internet that will check and update all your drivers, but I cannot remember what it was called.

slimdriver
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on December 21, 2015, 11:18:09 pm
Did you make sure all you drivers were up to date before upgrading to Windows 10?
There is a program on the internet that will check and update all your drivers, but I cannot remember what it was called.

Read a recent article that the trend now is, there is no need to update drivers if all is working OK, leave it alone?????? {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on December 21, 2015, 11:20:09 pm
Just had an update to Windows 10 and now when playing games in the Microsoft Solitaire suite I keep getting a popup window telling me "Display driver stopped responding and has now recovered."  Except that it hasn't because the screen has frozen.  Only way out is to close the window and reopen it (when it gives me back the game I was playing and I can carry on).

I know playing games isn't terribly important in the grand scheme of things and this is simply annoying, but clearly something isn't right.  Before I go trawling around in the great ocean of Microsoft issues, is there anyone here who can offer an explanation or solution, or at least tell me they get the same thing?  Or is it just me?  {:-{

Greg

 :o :o :o Oh yes it is  %) %) %)
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: SailorGreg on December 22, 2015, 05:54:17 pm
Thanks for the replies guys - and just to make it clear, I upgraded to W10 a while back, and the games were working fine until a couple of days ago, when an automatic update to the software happened.  Then I got the problem.  I assume the drivers are either Microsoft ones or are standard ones that Microsoft include in their games package because I certainly haven't loaded any.

Well, I guess it's off on an uncertain journey into Microsoft pages or blogs listing hiccups with W10 - deep joy!  %% %%

Greg



Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: radiojoe on December 26, 2015, 05:19:54 pm
It appears each Pooter is a law unto it's self, having upgraded my oldest laptop to Windows 10 and was very satisfied with the result, I thought I would upgrade my other laptop from Windows 7, and did just that a week ago, not such a good result this time, OK it all worked but there was quite a few anomaly's, the scrolling on the touch pad was gone, and a couple of other weird things, but the most annoying thing was it would reset it's self at random and usually when you were half way though something, the screen would go black for a couple of seconds and then return to the desktop and the page you were on was gone, so as your old OS is only kept for a month I decided to revert back to good old Windows 7 only took 10 Minuit's and now it's all working fine, even the smileys and spell checker  O0 O0 O0 O0 %%
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: warspite on December 26, 2015, 09:34:17 pm
it's why I wont convert to w10, in fact in the new year I am upgrading two vista machines to win 7 hopefully, fresh drives with a MAR os copy, if all goes well then all the other old software will install on them and off we go again.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: SailorGreg on December 30, 2015, 11:26:04 am
Thanks for the replies guys - and just to make it clear, I upgraded to W10 a while back, and the games were working fine until a couple of days ago, when an automatic update to the software happened.  Then I got the problem.  I assume the drivers are either Microsoft ones or are standard ones that Microsoft include in their games package because I certainly haven't loaded any.

Well, I guess it's off on an uncertain journey into Microsoft pages or blogs listing hiccups with W10 - deep joy!  %% %%

Greg

For those who might find it useful, I think I have fixed this by the (relatively) simple route of downloading a new Intel graphics driver (I did a search for "Intel graphics drivers for windows 10").  The only funny was when I ran the downloaded file to install the driver, after a while my screen went all jazzy and colourful all over - no icons or anything, just moving patterns of colour.  I left it a while to see if it corrected itself, but it didn't, so I forced a restart.  That went fine and, as I said, the problem seems to have been fixed, so I guess the new driver installed correctly.  (Just a word for those like me who are mystified by the internal workings of software - check your spec to see which graphics card you have - it might not be an Intel one.)

Not sure why Microsoft don't make sure all this is sorted when they put out an update.  I guess that's the price we pay for taking up W10 as soon as it appeared.   :-)

Greg
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: inertia on December 30, 2015, 02:31:50 pm
This topic has been going for over five months now. Aren't we on Windows 11 yet?  %)
DM
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on December 30, 2015, 02:35:28 pm
Windows 10 is the last Windows Dave, Microsoft future policy is to keep updating and fiddling about with it until nobody's computer works properly....

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: SailorGreg on December 30, 2015, 04:15:40 pm
Microsoft future policy is to keep updating and fiddling about with it until nobody's computer works properly....

Colin

Well, they're doing a pretty good job so far!  <*< >>:-(
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: inertia on December 30, 2015, 04:18:18 pm
Colin
Someone should remind them about what you get when you polish a brown smelly thing (this forum's anti-naughty software is sooooo prudish!!!).
DM
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on December 31, 2015, 10:29:20 am
This topic has been going for over five months now. Aren't we on Windows 11 yet?  %)
DM
A recent update that has been very noticeable results in you having "Microsoft Windows Version 1511 (OS Build 10586.36)".  So it isn't Win 10 any more.
Apart from the issue of drivers, the "new" system does work enough like the "old" (better, if you come from Win 8).  There is the problem of specialist programs designed around XP, but I've only had to dump a couple of old freebie programs (from W98SE days) and their newer replacements are equally adequate.
While Win 10 was "the most thoroughly tested" it should be remembered that it was, pretty much by definition, tested by the geek community. They are good for testing something new because they really want to, OTOH they tend to look at new stuff through very rosy glasses. 
Being halfway through the free period, now is abut the right time to do the deed.  Usual caveats apply like making sure you have a cloned copy of your old system on a physically separate drive "just in case", and all of your important files are saved separate from the drive carrying "C:\".  Nut we all do that anyway, don't we?
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on December 31, 2015, 11:16:48 am
Really don't know what all the fuss is about.
Firstly regardless of how many updates there are it is Windows 10. Unless they change the name. Like any software just because it has regular upgrades does not make it any less Windows 10.

As long as you do regular restore points and backups , which you should do regardless of the OS you should have no problems. 

Only thing that bugs me is the fact the Emicons still do not work, but is that a problem for MS of in this case the Forum software not being updated by SMF, and to be honest I can do without the smileys as the Forum seems stable at the moment..

Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on January 05, 2016, 09:41:12 pm

For those who didn't and don't want to jump into the fire

https://askleo.com/block-windows-10-with-gwx-control-panel/?awt_l=J72BJ&awt_m=Jehc4.ZOH3dfbL

Follow the links makes interesting reading.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Brian60 on January 06, 2016, 07:11:58 pm
A neighbour has returned from the UK with a shiny new computer with 10 installed. I had to go round today to try and help him into it. I know nothing about 10, but what a ballache, trying to install programs for him and you get the pop up box asking 'what app do you want to open with' with microsnots choice of apps to choose from.

I don't want to flaming well use an app to open anything, I want the computer to let the software open and run its own install program! Now I like to think of myself as computer savvy, but what a complete crock this system is. Why not leave a good thing alone, not everyone wants a desktop or laptop computer to work like or even LOOK like their cellphone.

I finally got all his favourite programs installed but it took me two hours to do.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: dreadnought72 on January 06, 2016, 10:37:06 pm
Had Win10 on the 'big' PC for an age, now. No issues. Starts in an instant.


I bought a tablet back in December with Win10 on it. (Under a hundred quid, and a ten inch screen. Go me!) No issues.


My Android phone? No issues.


I don't have or run antivirus software other than what's built-in - I DO give the machines a quick check with free mal/trojan-ware 'now and again'. I don't visit dodgy sites, don't open any attachments that I'm not sure of, and I do do banking, shopping, etc.


...No problems.


What I am fanatical about is strong passwords, changed regularly. And a big dose of skepticism when it comes to anything unusual.


Andy

Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Stavros on January 06, 2016, 10:45:19 pm
Cant AGREE with you more Andy....got Win 10 on 2 machines here and can access what ever I want......SO I really don't understand why others are getting problems,and believe you ME I am certaintly NO computer wiz kid far from it.

Dave
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on January 06, 2016, 11:22:07 pm
'what app do you want to open with' with microsnots choice of apps to choose from.

Nothing new, been doing that since XP if not before.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: dougal99 on January 07, 2016, 05:15:11 pm
Big Brother, Bill Gates, is watching your next build


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35251484
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on January 07, 2016, 05:26:26 pm
I can quite believe that both Andy and Dave do not have any problems with Windows 10, a lot of other people don't either. However there are a huge number of different components out there, display adaptors, chipsets manufacturer specific drivers etc. which are all put together in various configurations and Windows 10 has to work with all of them. If you have one of the mainstream setups then the chances are it will work fine. But if your manufacturer on your particular bit of equipment has tweaked something inside somewhere then you might find that in certain circumstances it results in a glitch. Gradually these issues are being resolved (hopefully). On my PC IE11 can be unstable. Firefox works better but doesn't allow me to upload photos to the MB website. It can be frustrating, but trying to pin down exactly where the problems lie is almost impossible.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: C-3PO on January 07, 2016, 07:43:13 pm
I don't think mainstream has anything to do with it!

I have been wanting to purchase a new high spec business computer for 18 months but wanted it to ship with Windows 10 pre-installed. The spec of the PC I was looking at had not changed for 12 months (since December 2014). My account manager at Dell wanted me to purchase (October 2015) an existing stock W8.1 PC and use the free upgrade route to W10. I asked why they were not shipping with W10 pre-installed, I was told it was simply due to the amount of pre-configured computers in the warehouse but something alerted my 6th sense so I held fire.

Whilst looking on-line, the model I was after suddenly was shipping with W10, but before I got around to ordering the web listing was changed back to W8.1 Then early December a new reworked considerably higher spec PC for the same money was launched with W10 and I am typing this post on it. No complaints and a blisteringly fast PC.

In my many conversations with my account manager he eventually admitted that W10 was not 100% compatible with the PC's we had first spoken about, they had problems and that's why they had gone back to shipping with W8.1 .

The PC I originally had my eye on was still being shipped (DELL) right up until late November 2015 and by the admission of the sales guy not 100% W10 compatible. So had I purchased it in Oct/Nov 2015 and upgraded to W10  I could be writing a very different post!

C-3PO
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on January 07, 2016, 08:11:33 pm
Windows 10 would have been tested with many of what I would describe as 'mainstream' current component sets from the major suppliers. Clearly the PC you are referring to had something in it which caused problems, either by itself or in combination with other components. PCs are an assemblage of bits and pieces from all over the shop which change all the time so it is entirely likely that one particular setup from a particular manufacturer can and does suffer compatibility failure. Very often the problem lies in the software drivers as these are where manufacturers take a 'standard' offering and then adapt it to their own particular requirements. Sometimes they get away with it, sometimes they don't. Browsers on proprietary machines can also be adulterated to work with the supplier's own software but sometimes at the expense of not working properly with more generic software. Older software is frequently not updated and gets left behind causing various bugs to develop. The varying manifestations of this Forum's emoticons and quote facilities is a good case in point. They work for some people but not for others for no apparent reason.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: wicker on January 09, 2016, 03:44:24 pm
Does anybody here know if Monzilla Firefox and Windows 10 are compatible  -  having endless bother with firefox not responding
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: barriew on January 09, 2016, 05:30:31 pm
No problem here - FF actually just updated to 43.0.4.


Barrie
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: wicker on January 09, 2016, 06:07:55 pm
Thanks for that
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Captain Povey on January 09, 2016, 07:51:02 pm
I recently received an .ics file as an attachment to an email on my laptop but could not open it as I do not have the full version of Office. I found a file reader but apparently it is not supported by Windows 10 yet. My AOL calendar says it can open the file but it doesn't. I managed to get it onto my phone but not my tablet. Calendars seem to be a complex area. Graham
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on January 10, 2016, 09:52:20 am
I used my super power and googles "open .ics file" and got this - http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2007-outlook/how-do-i-open-an-ics-file-attachment-sent-to-me/10113a61-939b-42f0-bca8-8c730c4e734f?auth=1
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: tigertiger on January 10, 2016, 02:08:46 pm
I am beginning to play with Linux mint, more now.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Captain Povey on January 10, 2016, 03:42:59 pm
Thanks Malcom, I went there, tried the google calendar option and the calendar live but still no joy. I am beginning to suspect there is a problem with the file. Cheers Grahan.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on January 10, 2016, 03:58:52 pm
Calendars are a horribly complex area if you are trying to convert/share between systems. Too many non standard features usually.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10? Yes/No
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on February 22, 2016, 08:36:23 am

Now that we are past the hallway mark, and with hindsight, was windows 10 the right move.

Yes/No
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on February 22, 2016, 09:08:28 am
Yes
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Capt Podge on February 22, 2016, 11:10:20 am
I have not tried 10 yet - is there a time/date limit with the free upgrade ? (currently on 8.1)

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on February 22, 2016, 01:08:15 pm
 :-)) Yes
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: craggle on February 22, 2016, 01:17:00 pm
I've heard the end of July is the date it will end. Not sure if they will stick to that though.

I upgraded many months ago when it first came out and haven't looked back since. I use 10 at home and still use 7 here at work but if you can use 7 you can use 10, it's very similar.
I had no problems upgrading and no problems since so I wouldn't hesitate to do it again but it seems not all systems upgrade as easily.

Craig.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Brian60 on February 25, 2016, 02:51:04 pm
Anyone had trouble with Google Chrome?

A neighbour bought a W10 enabled lap top at xmas and I installed all the software he needed. A couple weeks back he called me over to say chrome had dissapeared. After spending an hour or so investigating, I just downloaded a new copy of it and did a re-install.

Coming back to Spain this week and he calls me again with the same problem. Chrome had dissapeared. So yesterday another bit of investigating shows that it is still on the computer it just won't open. So I downloaded it all again except this time it won't install.

A bit of net surfing of forums turns up the fact it won't install on win 10, bit noone has a valid reason except to say that microsoft windows is deliberately blocking it and promoting its own web browser.

Can anyone shed light on it? I've got him using the oe browser but he's not a happy puppy, so I'd like to fix it if I can.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Stavros on February 25, 2016, 02:55:28 pm
ODD this one as I have used chrome since Win 10 was installed and have never had a problem at all with it


Dave
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Netleyned on February 25, 2016, 02:57:25 pm
Same for me.
Win 10, Chrome, no probs.


Ned
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: essex2visuvesi on February 25, 2016, 03:00:06 pm
Same issue as Brian on my mum's laptop she got at christmas
I have Chrome on my Windows 10 Bootcamp on my mac & also on my windows laptop


It's an odd one.... we have also noticed a few of the windows 10 apps (weather for example) are not working either
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Netleyned on February 25, 2016, 03:33:07 pm
The two examples look like they are on laptops with Win 10
pre-installed.
Mine is the update on a two-year old machine that was Win 8


Ned
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on February 26, 2016, 09:05:31 am
A quick look found two possible solutions to MS trying to stick it up Google -
First -

1. Type cmd.exe on the search bar.
2. Right click on the cmd.exe then click "Run as Administrator"
3. Type "netsh winsock reset". Press enter.
4. The computer will prompt for a restart.
And -

1. Right click on chrome icon and run "Troubleshoot Compatibility"
2. Use the first option
3. Then do "Test Program" and test that it is working
4. Press Next and then save the settings


On a side note, I just tried updating a Dell Netbook for a friend - it happened but the screen didn't look right since it had gone to a lower res default.  Getting a new driver from Del restored the "proper" options, but then W10's new wonder facilities Cortana and Groove persistently crashed it.  So it's a W7 machine again.  Simple roll-back.
Removal or disabling or hiding some of MS's corporate malware is not easy unless you are prepared to surf the net.  If you are having a problem, put the question into your search engine, the chances are that somebody else will have had the same problem and will have posted an answer.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Brian60 on February 26, 2016, 12:22:06 pm
Thanks I'll give those a try for him Malcolm. Answers I came up with on the net meant hacking around with the registry. Not something I want to do on a new computer that doesn't belong to me!
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: essex2visuvesi on February 26, 2016, 12:55:25 pm
Thanks I'll give those a try for him Malcolm. Answers I came up with on the net meant hacking around with the registry. Not something I want to do on a new computer that doesn't belong to me!


These were the solutions I found as well
we are going to do a system restore at the weekend
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Big Ada on February 26, 2016, 06:12:20 pm
If it aint broke etc.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Capt Podge on March 12, 2016, 12:11:37 am
I've been scheduled for the upgrade in about 10 mins time.

This is to move up from win8.1

I'll report back on how it went -

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Capt Podge on March 12, 2016, 02:11:09 pm
After 5 hours and about 68 restarts I'm still at square 1 - THAT'S IT, I QUIT !

 >:-o

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Bob K on March 12, 2016, 02:57:36 pm
I've said it before . . . . and  . . .

It's 'only' an operating system, not the actual useful programs that do things for you.  If you have a stable current O/S such as 8.1 it is being regularly updated, and evidently working well with your anti-V and favourite browser etc -  Why on earth mess with it ?  You will not get any 'extra' useful freebees or a significant increase in speed.

What you could very likely get is a complete meltdown due to some innocuous incompatibility with something that MS have not sorted out drivers or migration path for.

My 8.1 is firmly staying put, despite ever increasing pop-up windows demanding I set a date (tomorrow by default)  for their latest 'experiment' using customers as guinea pigs.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Capt Podge on March 12, 2016, 04:01:58 pm
Hello Bob, I like the way you have put that across - and I think you're quite right.

So I'm staying put with 8.1 for the foreseeable future. :-))

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on March 12, 2016, 05:08:12 pm
W10 Rocks...:-)
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: dreadnought72 on March 12, 2016, 07:29:50 pm
I got W10 in August last year - my post is on page one of this thread. It's still working, still boots in a flash, and I've had precisely no issues with it at all.

I like it.

Andy
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Captain Povey on March 12, 2016, 08:20:52 pm
I have been getting messages that there is a missing internet protocol on my system. It seems to be the reason my internet connection has to be refreshed regularly. Some 'googling' has suggested it is a Windows 10 / IE issue. There are many suggested fixes but none seem to have worked. I don't know enough about this but it can be annoying. Graham
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: malcolmfrary on March 12, 2016, 08:33:53 pm
Un-updated windows versions have an end of support date getting nearer on a daily basis.  Updating to W10 is only free for a few more months.  It does work better than either of its predecessors even if there is a bit of unwanted dross loaded with it, which is removable.  It is no longer an "experiment" for pretty much everybody, but a fully working system that does seem to work faster on the same hardware. 
I really can't think what might be wrong with Captain Podges machine, but something is.  Maybe something plugged in a USB hole that it keeps trying to reboot from? All of mine I simply pressed the "yes, go ahead" button and let it do its thing, apart from the bit where preferences get set.  Just seen the new post - maybe using a wifi connection instead of being hard wired to the router? 
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Captain Povey on March 12, 2016, 08:40:15 pm
That's a good point Malcolm as its my wifi connected laptop that has the problem. :-))
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Stavros on March 12, 2016, 09:41:55 pm
I find this so puzzling to be honest with all of you....I am a total computer NUMPTY believe you me and have never had a moments trouble with WIN 10 and it is far far superior than anything I have used in the past.Both out lap tops are on it both update as they should...both not only boot up but close down a lot faster than the old systems....So how come is everyone have so so much trouble.....must be that going into the workings of it totally screws it up.....if it aint broke and even if you think you know what you are doping then don't try and fix a problem that don't excist....us eit and LEARN how to use it SImples


Dave
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 12, 2016, 10:16:27 pm
Dave, you and some others are lucky as you have a computer setup which closely matches the ideal Windows 10 setup and so you don't have any problems. Unfortunately other people have different configurations of hardware and software. Computers have different chipsets, graphics cards and the manufacturers usually have their own bespoke software drivers so there is an almost unlimited number of combinations and some of those cause problems when you try to run them under a new operating system. After I upgraded to W10 I found that Internet Explorer kept on crashing and that is actually supplied by Microsoft. I then swapped to Firefox as a browser and that seemed to work reasonably well until earlier this week when Windows did an update and Firefox also updated. Now Firefox crashes all the time so I am back to Internet Explorer! Believe me it is very frustrating as it is almost impossible to pin down the cause of the problem.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Stavros on March 12, 2016, 10:37:42 pm
My Lap top isnt anything special at all Colin just a run of the mill Dell E5400 you see it is all very well  having all these posh fast thingyss and graphic cards that are supposed to do this and that but the truth lies in SIMPLICITY...Creating you own bespoke lap top /home computer set up's have a serious downside ...and that is exactly the problem everyone is having....it is exactly like a home builder creating a car with an engine from a ford gbox off Vauxhall etc....when something goes wrong then you have problems ce la vi...........

Dave
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 12, 2016, 10:48:05 pm
Dave,

My PC is a bog standard HP from Curry's which is why I am annoyed that it doesn't work the way it should. But even on 'standard' machines, the internal components are changing all the time so you still get glitches. I suppose I ought to be used to it having been involved in programming for a large part of my career. When we first put in a local area network in our office way back when, we actually did all the wiring and set up the servers ourselves including swapping disk drives and setting up tape backups. All good fun at the time. No Windows then, it was all MSDOS (which is still lurking under the surface even today!)

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: TheLongBuild on March 12, 2016, 11:11:08 pm
From my own experience

I built my own pc back in 2006
Pent 4 Quad Chip  ( Really do need to upgrade !!)
Currently on 200mb Broad Band ( Which is probably killing it more than any upgrade )
Just the basic Graphics card
HP Wireless Printer

Os is XP original , upgraded to W7, Upgraded to W8 then W8.1 then upgraded to W10..

Other than the fact it still !! does not let me use the Emicons and on some forums if you press return when typing it jumps to the top of the page, ( Both sortable by using IE, rather than Edge) I have " Touch Wood"  have had no real issues.




Title: Re: Windows 10?
Post by: Bob K on March 13, 2016, 08:53:41 am
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