Model Boat Mayhem
Technical, Techniques, Hints, and Tips => 3D CAD Design & Printing => Topic started by: Kerrsy on August 13, 2015, 05:54:05 pm
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Could anyone out there create the cormorant on the front of this ship
It would be 1/12 scale and probably 3d printed.
I possibly could get it printed but need an expert in say Pro desktop or Solid works to draw it.
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It's a failing work in progress, not experienced enough to work out how to do it properly :embarrassed:
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Thank you warspite
It's very good of you to try and what you have done looks good.
I'll email you a picture.
If you print this picture it's the exact size.
cheers
Alan
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For the time being I'm having a go, it's not so much the size but the complexity of merging one solid into another smoothly, making a solid, appears to not to be as easy in these curved shapes as what I am used to for engineering equipment and the latest version of AutoCAD I have is more complex than previous versions - its less forgiving - each solid has to match its ajoining solid or when its printed it might not have any substance and therefore fail in printing eventually.
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Thank you for trying
best wishes
Alan
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Hi Alan,
Might be worth putting something like this up on a freelancer site like elance or peopleperhour (Google will help find them)
You could probably get it made for around £20
I'd have a go myself but it's beyond my amateur modelling skills unfortunately! :(
Alex
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Thank you Alex
What is really annoying is that I used to use Pro Desktop when I was a technician at school.
I should of had a bit of forward thinking.
Any way thanks again I'll try google.
regards
Alan
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Just so you don't think I have given up on this :embarrassed:
this is the third attempt, just have to think of a way of doing the feathers without going as mad as I have trying to do the head.
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Wow that looks great
I'm so grateful that you are even trying.
If you email me I can send you a .dfx file of the bow curve.
Or any other format that goes with your software.
Thank you again
Alan
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Once you guys have finished playing, you can send the file this way and I can 3D print it for you.
The quality of the prints from my machine are OK and would be fine for proof of concept, but I would suggest going to shapeways for the final part
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How very kind of you e2v
That is a wonderful offer, thank you
Alan
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Here are a few more pictures that may help
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How very kind of you e2v
That is a wonderful offer, thank you
Alan
No Problem :)
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Using autocad 2014 - and yes just playing at it {-), at the moment it quite 'rough', and I am unsure if the level of quality will not translate into a printable version of sufficient detail, but hey ho, a rough print might be sufficient to add the other details with a sufficiently good enough set of tools, knives / files and sandpaper.
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Absolutely
1 volunteer is worth 10 pressed men.
Thanks again
Alan
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just made a big mistake >:-o
having to redo the wings and all the parts after the neck, deep joy.
just thought I will try and make it look a little more fluid and was doing alright until I noticed the line I was using was not the one I should have been using, oh well here we go again.
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Thank you Warspite
I do appreciate your endeavors.
Alan
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well, managed to redo the bits in error, so here is the revised version, feathers to be added and the feet, not sure if this will help, the wings spread angle is about 50° and the deep vee between its buttocks is based upon the bow slicing right up it mister Mannering {-) %% %% %% %% %%, permission to go mad captain blackadder.
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That's enough of that you silly boy. Its Captain Mainwairing >>:-(
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now a bit more info, the wings are shaped like they are so that the feathers can be placed against a background in an interference manner, then when ready I need a bit advice from those in the know, that when the solids are all merged into one - will it work when operated on by those with the software to convert it into solid works etc and then printed.
This kind of work is only done when I am trying to give clients an idea on what our equipment will look like when put into their factories, so the shapes we use are usually quite boxy and regular, (though some of the kit is curvy etc and dust runs are kept to basic cyclinders and toruses.
are you sure - I always thought jones always said Mannering as did the warden- learn something every day.
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Ah the snobbery of the middle classes. Mannering is the accepted pronunciation but a couple of the characters didnt follow the custom and said it as it was printed, the Welsh pressman for instance. The other aberration of similar type is Cholmondely-Tapper or if you were upper class Chumley-Tupper, but ach whit dae ah ken ! %) The bird is coming on fine, so is the boat , a classic build.
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Reworked the rear part of the wing, has an added bonus when lofted, also reworked the rear end three times so didn't get started on the fearthers, but the tail feather piece was also a lofting exercise for working on the feathers anyway, so test two will be the next exercise, also I am also going to try a multi loft of the main body to see if the result will be smoother, so the tests may mean its a weekend attempt at doing a wing. - sorry no picture tonight. :D
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Hi Warspite
It's looking great, thanks for the hard work involved.
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here is the pic of the results from yesterday - with a little change to the tail to cut a vee out of its tail.
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the lofting through more of the shapes, produced a better body so I am on version 5 and creating the feathers, its a lot harder than I thought.
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You have done amazingly well
It looks great. I hope this has increased your knowledge of autocad to the benefit of your business.
Can't wait to see it printed.
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:-) well finished it, pm on way, just need to know what format to save it in for converting to, even then it may not print as needed, it's not as good as I hoped but it does look good to me.
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Well congratulations warspite :-))...I think you have performed an amazing feat O0
But who will pay for the bl**dy Vets bill as you appear to have broken the cormorants stdb wing......... {-).... Derek
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What format is it in at the moment? My printer uses STL files but I have the software to deal with most other 3d formats
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Wow that is fantastic
I can't thank you enough for your help, you have done incredibly well for someone who is learning.
You must be an expert now.
The wings look beautiful and in such detail.
I'm exhibiting the Alaska at the international Model Boat Show in November at Warwick.
Thank you Essex2 for the help with the print, I wish we used christian names I don't feel that I can thank you both properly with aliases
Just be assured that you will not be forgotten in the build book.
Alan
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No problem :)
The name its Gary BTW :)
As I said earlier I'm happy to do the print out as a proof of concept, but I do feel once you are happy with the design you get it reprinted by someone like shapeways in their frosted ultra detail
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yea I noted that, its evened out as both wings are mirrored versions, so both wings are the same, anyway - its not broke - its just feathering as its got a boat shoved up its backside %%.
the thing may not print out as all the individual parts may be strewn with errors, never created a 3d solids that needed to be printed out before. its all 'connected' with hopefully most of the top section connected to get over the feathered bit, as stated it may take a bit of repair but the concept is there, its done on AutoCAD 2014 in the 3d solids mode, save in AutoCAD 2007 format - dont know if there is a better way of saving it - will check the export options for a suitable version and forward it on to Kerrsy. :-))
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Hi all
Thank for your assistance in this, if it's any help the length from tip of the beak to wing tip is 153mm
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so an a4 print out i did of the first photo was not that far out, from nose to tail its about 198mm not the 101 as previously thought, so the voids should disappear in the print out.
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That sounds good to me
I think a first print would tell us where we are in size
The 153mm or 6" from beak tip to wing tip is the 1/12th scale of the original
that the boat is based on.
I think you have done wonders from a photo.
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I have the files now and have checked them, looks like they should print ok. I'm back in the uk tomorrow so will do a test print then :-)) :-))
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I have the files now and have checked them, looks like they should print ok. I'm back in the uk tomorrow so will do a test print then :-)) :-))
apologies for the quality :embarrassed: will attempt at doing the feathers again at weekend to remove those voids etc
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:-) , been at it again, revised the model made the wings without voids, reset them to the body, revised the body so they look better, and scaled it to be the 153mm long as requested -phew, so come on - those with eagle eyes have not noticed that its missing its crest and feet, lol, suppose that on the cards next %%
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That looks perfect, can't wait to see the results
cheers all
Alan
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:-) , been at it again, revised the model made the wings without voids, reset them to the body, revised the body so they look better, and scaled it to be the 153mm long as requested -phew, so come on - those with eagle eyes have not noticed that its missing its crest and feet, lol, suppose that on the cards next %%
Can you send me the latest files so I can get them printed?
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Hi Garry
I sent them to you on Sunday from warspite
there where iges and stl
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yes but he has been fiddling with them since then lol
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Kerrsy's got the latest version in Autocad 2007 format :} , not generated the iges or stl format yet :P
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Now got the final files and have sent them on.
brilliant partnership, thank you all
can't wait for the final result.
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I'm on the case.... watch this space :D
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as pm'd, do you have a definitive dimension between the wing tips and top leading edges in relation to your boat, those used on the 'model' are a guessitimate.
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oops just should have read my emails first duh {-)
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I'm on the case.... watch this space :D
having some printer issues..... massive overfeed of the plastic filament causing a big mess >>:-(
Will have to strip and clean the print heads tomorrow
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nah, just an enthusiastic amature %) , and a helpful soul to those in need :-) , the real hero is essex2visuvesi, trying to print the thing, hope its not the model causing your woes.
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so, did it print ok?
some of us are really interested O0 , even if it came out a mess, lol
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so, did it print ok?
some of us are really interested O0 , even if it came out a mess, lol
I was testing out some new filament, a water soluble one for creating the rafts and supports. This should have made things easier, but instead it cooked in the print head leaving a residue behind that can be compared only to concrete >>:-(
Ive had to order a complete new hot end as it was impossible to clear out :(
The latest model is sound tho, no errors when tested
Annoyingly the parts are not in stock in the UK so I'm having them sent from Sweden lol
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Hi Garry
Just to let you know we are still here and eagerly awaiting your results.
I'm sorry you had such a bad time with your new support filament.
I left my job as DT technician too early as we had 3D printers, although just after I left the builders who where putting in a new
Gas boiler system, dropped a load of bricks on it. £24,000 worth and they can't fix it. I offered but have not heard.
Alan
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Well the good news is that I now have the replacement parts so I can make a start on the printing shortly.
I'm racing RC cars with son this weekend so not going to be able to make a start until Sunday evening
Fitting new hot ends means some recalibration so its going to be a few nights 'tinkering' but I should be able to run off a sample sometime this week.
A top tip for anyone contemplating a 3D printer, make sure you take a note of what settings work/don't work
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Yes good advice indeed
I remember when we built the first A1 3d printer, it was called a Rap-Man and cost £850 back in about 2008
the software was diabolical and had about 300 different setup properties.
As a school we where somewhat pioneers in the 3D world with feed back to the builders.
The A1 came in a kit form for us to build including winding the heater coil for the head,
This was supposed to be a build one and and use it to make another.
How it has changed in 7 years !!
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Hi
Any chance you have had time to print the bird?
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Not yet....
Parts that arrived didn't fit properly.... my extruder head seems to be a MK9.5. It has some parts from the MK10 and some from the Mk9.
At the moment I'm trying to make one good print head while I wait for yet more new parts.
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OK so We have one print head up and running :-))
Some test prints run off today
(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/Essex2Visuvesi/IMG_3052.jpg) (http://s532.photobucket.com/user/Essex2Visuvesi/media/IMG_3052.jpg.html)
(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/Essex2Visuvesi/IMG_3053.jpg) (http://s532.photobucket.com/user/Essex2Visuvesi/media/IMG_3053.jpg.html)
I have rescaled the model to 50% in order to reduce the amount of filament, and more importantly the print time
This is it so far
(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/Essex2Visuvesi/IMG_3056.jpg) (http://s532.photobucket.com/user/Essex2Visuvesi/media/IMG_3056.jpg.html)
More pics to follow
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The print was successful tho I may have overdone the supports
(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/Essex2Visuvesi/IMG_3058.jpg) (http://s532.photobucket.com/user/Essex2Visuvesi/media/IMG_3058.jpg.html)
(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/Essex2Visuvesi/IMG_3059.jpg) (http://s532.photobucket.com/user/Essex2Visuvesi/media/IMG_3059.jpg.html)
(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/Essex2Visuvesi/IMG_3060.jpg) (http://s532.photobucket.com/user/Essex2Visuvesi/media/IMG_3060.jpg.html)
I'll be running off a full size copy in the morning :)
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You dont usually see how these machines work normally, thats a really interesting set of pictures, i note the detail is lost due to the filiment size - akin to making the object out of one long length of spagetti i suppose, but the area just under the wing at the body appears to have a look of a fingerprint, i take it the gap between the wings is full of 'supports' and will need to be cut out before being usefull, well done - love it :-))
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Thanks :)
I'm running the full size print now and it looks a bit better, the test print was reduced to 50% and the resolution reduced just to check that it would actually print properly.
I'm going to send this one so it can be checked for fit, then I would suggest sending it to Shapeways or somesuch for the final print. Would recommend frosted ultra detail.
I think the print I have done could be used with a little finishing.
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Full sized model had some problems, nothing wrong with the print job, just my printer being slightly out of alignment so the print head clipped the wing and the job detached itself from the bed
Here it is in progress just before the print detached itself >>:-(
(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/Essex2Visuvesi/Mobile%20Uploads/image_2.jpeg) (http://s532.photobucket.com/user/Essex2Visuvesi/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_2.jpeg.html)
And a little cleaning up
(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/Essex2Visuvesi/Mobile%20Uploads/image_3.jpeg) (http://s532.photobucket.com/user/Essex2Visuvesi/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_3.jpeg.html)
(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/Essex2Visuvesi/Mobile%20Uploads/image_1.jpeg) (http://s532.photobucket.com/user/Essex2Visuvesi/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_1.jpeg.html)
(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/Essex2Visuvesi/Mobile%20Uploads/image.jpeg) (http://s532.photobucket.com/user/Essex2Visuvesi/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image.jpeg.html)
If you PM me your postal address I will send this one to you, so you can check for fit, then I suggest you send it to shapeways.
No charge for this just a few sheckels in the RNLI box when you're passing
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Wow that's great.
Thank you so much for your time & trouble
I can't wait to try it.
I'll email you my address.
Thank you again to both of you for your help in this, you have been brilliant.
My very best wishes
Alan
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Bit of a light sanding, should come up fine.
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Another Alaska seen at Warwick! - https://youtu.be/ME8yWqIWUjY?t=21m12s
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Wow that's great.
Thank you so much for your time & trouble
I can't wait to try it.
I'll email you my address.
Thank you again to both of you for your help in this, you have been brilliant.
My very best wishes
Alan
can you resend you address? I seem to have deleted the message :embarrassed:
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Ha Ha Ha Martin you stole my thunder
I got a friend in Dubai to print it for me so fitted it quickly for the show
I had the pictures to put up when yours cam through
But a great Job done by all and I think it looks great
Did you notice the beak was broken !!! one of the helpers pinched it against the mast so a repair job already.
Thanks again to all for your help.
Essex I will send you my address again in an email
It looks like I need a spare.!
Alan
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O and Martin, there is only one Alaska but thank you for filming the club display, the members where chuffed.
cheers, Alan