Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: petesubman on September 25, 2015, 06:46:16 pm
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This is a flat bottomed hull at around 4ft long using Glynn Guests techniques to build the hull , its still early days yet the hull is constructed from plywood, birch ply and card and cladded with 10 thou plasticard with rivet detail, she has a wilesco d49 steam engine and a ceramic burner ,getting run times of around 15 minutes shes no greyhound and not pretty, pete
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Hull frames
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Get away Pete, she's a cutie! What is the ship to the right? Looks like a scout cruiser.
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Hi shes a skirmisher thunderchild, type which was going to have the steam engine fitted, using the same build method, pete
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Hi Pete,
The pictures don't do it justice, it looks good, sails well , what more could you ask for. ...
Keep going it's great to see something a little different on the pond
Spud
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Thanks Tim , been aboard hms pickle in hull marina, mal, the owner is letting me crew her when she goes out again, what a lovely boat , pete
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Hi Pete,
That would great opportunity for you, let me know when it is and I will try and get down to wave you off
Tim
Ps. I think you may have a finger stuck to your camera :}
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...or it's a bald-headed dwarf? %%
Andy
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It's probably my nose
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Borodino fore deck and bow planking, a sheet of thin birch ply was used, the planks were marked in pencil and then again in black gel pen, let dry and any stray pencil marks removed with an eraser, then a coat of ronseal clear satin varnish, the barbette base is from the ends of carpet rolls, a 180 degree servo will be fitted into it to rotate the turret , regards pete
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Lovely stuff :-)) I like the idea of using those tube ends for barbettes.
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Funnels ,had to rebuild them using the bottoms and sides of cola cans view of the superstructre warts and all, pete
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And you have a torpedo tube as well! Tsushima here we come! Do you know anyone with a Japanese Pre dreadnought Pete?
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No im afraid i dont, there is a company in united states that produces hulls for ship combat im sure thats where i saw the borodino and derflinger on thier web site, pete
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A little more work done handrails imperial eagle one anchor crane and a revell u boat crew I think they maybe to big maybe 15mm figures would look better but its where to get them ,regards Pete
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Another of the crew
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She is coming along well! It is an excellent subject for a model.
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Thanks Ballastankian, i have enjoyed the build especially something that floats, regards pete
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No worries Pete. Have you any plans to add more ships to your fleet? How is Thunderchild doing? Or is she already complete??
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Yes still trying to get the look with that one, was looking at hms kent as future project have got the plans ,might look for a hull, regards pete
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I am sure that Deans do a hull in 1:96th Pete.
I do think though that you get a great look with your hulls so don't abandon building them yourself!
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More work done on thunderchild tried the deck guns and added a new upper deck ,u boat crew had a look round borodino waiting for paint , regards pete
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She's coming along smart Pete.
The ships are so attractive during this period of transition from Black and white (white and white for foreign stations) to grey of various shades.
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Hi Pete,
It's looking good, keep the updates coming
Spud
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More work done on thunderchild, waiting for a 60mm prop for borodino, merry Christmas everyone regards pete
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More
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You have a PM
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Hi Pete,
Good progress with thunderchild , a few fittings help bring it to life
Let me know when the launch date is pls
spud
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Hi Tim, no transport at the moment, boat is ready to go
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Hi Pete
Pm sent
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Brilliantly mega Pete! Can it get any better?
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Thankyou Ballastankian, thunderchild is nearly good to go, here,s a pic of an ongoing project for a build based around a pre dreadnought clockwork toy battleship around 42 inches regards pete
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Is it the right way up? I ask as you are obviosuly a fan of European warships and their tumblehome, and so could well be sat upright waiting for sponsons and funny shaped turrets:O)
Another gorgeous model to keep an eye out for here.
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I'll be following that build very closely, I've had plans for a long time to build a what if pre dreadnought based on steampunk ideas and early 20th century clockwork toys. Love your Borodino, have you ever read Pleshakov's book called The Tsar's Last Armada? You kind of feel sorry for the Borodino and her crew, fantastic book and a chapter in naval history I didn't know about until recently.
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Thanks for your comments both Ballastankian and Nick , yes it is the right way up have a look at the french warship Camot 1891, I also found a russian boat with a submarine type tumble home amazing ! I thought about clockwork and rc for this one, these hulls/models are fun to build and with a little thought easy to put together and are very multi media , card balsa plastic , other kits endless possibilities, regards pete
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This is as far as Ive got with the hull, one side partly cladded in card , Im also going to use n gauge planking sheets for the decks, regards pete
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At this rate Pete, you are going to need a storage facility just for your fleet, let alone materials and tools etc!
I know the style of ship you mean, they are lovely though their shape is very sinister, especially being painted black.
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Thanks for the heads up on that one, but i think its to late, regards pete
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The latest pics of my marklyn /uss brooklyn type , not tinplate but card plate, regards pete
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Pics of borodino's anchor ports and chains, more work done around bridge area, regards pete ,sorry about the sepia couldnt get rid of it
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Just finished lugging the fleet about, the first post describes borodino around 40 inches long ,just measured the hull and its 57 inches long oops, a pic of the fleet at the moment. Pete
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I can't wait to see these babies sailing one day:O)
Lovely US warship by the way.
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Great fleet Pete,
Just the odd bit of 'brasswork' on the peak works wonders against the black.
:-))
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Thankyou for the feedback , because of the simplfied build techniques the build time is very quick if anything the painting is the most time consuming part, regards pete
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Hi Pete
The fleet is expanding, looking good
No defence cuts in your household :-)
Tim
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Plenty of industrial grade card and ply , superglue , pva ,varnish paint and plasticard, regards pete
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A little more work done on Borodino forward barbette removed showing servo ,more railings and a repair thanks to alan and tim for repairing Borodino's steam engine also added a 60mm 4 bladed prop, Thunderchild had a run out quite fast and very manouverable, a little tender will get some pics taken, pete
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I love the look of her, lovely work, would you be able to get to Mayhem at Wicksteed for some fleet reviews?
Love to see them for real. :-))
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I would like to Nick, its in May isnt it?
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Fleet looks grand, Pete...
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Thanks Rich, im still working on my victorian steamypunk mekanical terror fish , I love rivets, pete
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Looking forward to the pictures of these gorgeous builds Pete.
The panelling looks brill on Borodino.
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Thanks Ian, these boats have long gone ,maybe their designs are antiquated but the design and construction of these boats are fascinating. Another pic of the secondary armament, bridge and railings, pete
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Nice :-))
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Tested Borodino today with her new 60mm four bladed prop. Even with stiff westerly scale 4s and 5s she was making head way beam on the wind got hold of her but she was still able to make decent turn. Still getting run times of approximately fifteen minutes, she looks intimidating, no pics yet hopefully next week,regards pete
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Hoo hoo, I can't wait Pete!
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I would like to Nick, its in May isnt it?
Certainly is Pete, May 28 and 29
Look forward to seeing the pictures too. :-))
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Thunderchild on the water, very manouverable and quick regards pete
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A majestic sight Pete.
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I fully agree, lovely job :-))
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On the last shot Pete, were you aiming for the ducks or the shed?
Very nice piece of work and it'll look great at Wickstead with the rest.
:-))
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Thanks Tony, i think it was the shed, i was really pleased with the performance on a single prop , I also gave borodino a run, again really pleased with the performance and handling the 4 blade 60mm prop gives her a fair turn of speed, regards pete
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Ha! Was that you being imaginative with photoshop, or is that a water feature that you all avoid to save your electrics Pete?
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No it was a shell burst, just kidding the fountain and its base are a hazard to navigation , there are two and one is partially submerged regards pete
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I suppose that is the jy of sharing your pond/lake with other interests especially if it is a municipal facility.
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Hi Pete,
A few pic's from yesterday (hopefully the right way )
spud
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Hi Pete,
Borodino sailed really well dispite the cold / wind conditions , And the obstacles. At least the pond has water in it
:}
Spud
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Thanks for the pics spud , she did go well ,just need to get steam from both funnels and thanks to yourself and alan for the mods to my lifting straps, regards pete
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I am Green with envy Pete! What a lovel warship. Russian Pre dreadnoughts look very sinister in their black scheme.
Using Phtotshop, you could recreate the entire class on the lake :o
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Thanks Ian , i know shes not a scale model but youve just said it, she does look intimidating, regards pete
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Hi
A few more pic's ,sorry about the poor quality (my mobile is from a similar erea ) ☺
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Oh, here comes a Japanese warship! Or is it a cruise liner?
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A little more work done on Borodino,s plumbing to improve access to the internals also some more work done on the stuff you cant see, regards pete
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I am feeling the thousands of miles of sailing loaded to the gunwales with coal and grumpy sailors from the look of the model Pete.
She looks quite deep and so I can understand your redesigning access to the hold for the battery etc.
:-))
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Hi Ian ,with the flat bottom and no curves there a lot of space, there are four assorted gel cells in the hull for ballast and because shes wide even a fair in a blow she is very stable, hoping to have a sail next week if everythings ok then its back to the superstructure.
This model started out as lets see if i can build something for steam and the wilesco d48 runs this boat well but thats down to alan and tim, i break it they mend it ! another view of the of the stern the two square openings between the funnels are over the vents in boiler heat shield, parts of the bridge and rear superstructure are designed to let air in and heat out, regards pete
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Looking good Pete , and she does sail well, you wouldn't know she has a flat bottom
Hopefully catch up with you soon
Spud
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The uss independence is approaching completion, here are a couple of pics this project was a nod to fleischmann and marklin tinplate battleships, this ones cardplate, regards pete
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Pete
I love what you've achieved, both with your Borodino, Thunderchild and now your Independence. These are the closest to what I would like to build one day as a steampunk battleship, can't wait to see them for real at Mayhem weekend- hope you can still make it. :-))
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Thankyou for your comments , the inspiration for uss independence came from a now out of print book called toy boats 1879 to 1955 , might a number or two out but its still around on amazon cost me 10 pounds and its crammed full of liners battleships and diving submarines some of the guns actually fired using a powder charge! One these 42inch beautys could be purchased for a mere 300 gold francs in 1904 of courrse. Regards pete
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On the Independance, did you soak the card to get it to curve around for the bilges Pete? It looks very smooth.
Lovely work :-))
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Yes the card was sprayed with water and rolled around a tin of beans the cut to shape, the funnels main and secondary turrets are left over plumbing plastic pipe the funnel bands are o rings as are the bases on the main armament , never throw everything away
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Amen fellow OCD collector %% :}
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More pics of borodino ,plumbing now uprated and working well rear upper turrets now fitted she sailed well in the windy conditions at one point i thought i had a bow thruster fitted, regards Pete
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Finally been able to get borodinos plumbing sorted , i managed to trash the heat shield but she now makes steam on both funnels and the gnome enjoyed it to, regards pete
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That is a good sized boiler Pete!
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Hi Ian , the unit is d48 wilesco marine engine its regarded as a toy steam engine , i have fitted a ceramic burner which greatly improves the performance of these engines, regards pete
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If it works and does not threat to incinerate your boat then I don't think it is fair to call ity a toy especially as it has to be as safe as any expensive boiler.
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I have to agree Ian , i have two of these d48 engines and they are very effective and reliable and will turn a 60 mm prop with ease , I have one in borodino and one in massena, regards pete
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Its been a while, borodino is nearly completed, but i have decided to complete her in anthracite just have to add ships boats , will post pics,regards pete
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Good idea Pete
One thing I've learnt from plastic model aircraft is that pure black paint doesn't work in scale and anthracite is perfect to represent black paint, same with white paint, a creamier colour works better.
Looking forward to the pictures
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Amen! I can't wait:O)
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Trying out a new rivet look , using metal tape, a dressmakers tracing wheel on the last two secondary turrets , will probably complete the remaining superstructure
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That is a well tried and usually successful technique Pete. It looks like it does the job well.
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Looking good but just remember that there are no rivet details on the side of the turrets (And arguably the roofs) as they were made of armour plate which was both tonged and grooved and bolted together from the inside (short bolts that do not penetrate to the outside). Firstly ordinary rivets would not be strong enough and secondly a line of drilled holes through any armour would weaken it too much. This is the same for the belt armour.
What confuses this is the additional 1" plating which was bolted from the outside added to the roofs of many British ships after Jutland and the KGV class of WW2 which show bolts on the roofs. This sometimes shows up clearly in pictures and its assumed its a line of rivets.
Cheers
Geoff
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Thanks for info Geoff, didnt know that,regards pete
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Over the years I've been fortunate enough to actually go aboard some real Battleships. New Jersey, North Carolina and Texas. What struck me is that the armour is not that smooth, its more like a fine concrete finish and in places you can see the marks of the original wooden mould! There are visible imperfections in the surface of the armour. It all looks like its been hewn from stone.
There also a very strange juxtaposition between the armour and the welded parts of the ship which are super smooth. The notched joints in the armour are very visible indeed.
Whilst I know how they made armour its still astonishing to see mementos of the lost art. Simplistically armour is a special grade of steel which is then sandwiched with another plate in a furnace with a layer of carbon in between and heated to white hot for a period of two to three weeks! The carbon is absorbed into the face and creates a very hard surface with a more ductile back. The whole being a homogeneous plate with a very hard outer layer but flexible enough not to shatter like glass when struck.
As an interesting aside a plate that can't be penetrated from the front can be penetrated from the back!
Its fun stuff
Cheers
Geoff
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Finally got some paint on Borodino, the anthracite looks good also had an episode with her boiler ,thanks to spud for an exellent repair, regards Pete
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Are those hawse hole covers Pete? That is OCD waterproofing on the Russian's part!
I love the panel detailing, very nice.
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Hi Pete,
I like the new paint job (Your boiler was a similar colour :} )
It really does make the detail stand out , keep going
Look forward to seeing it on the water again
Spud
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Have started preparing the ships boats and cranes also fitted fine speaker grill mesh over the main vent openings for the boiler and then for no apperent reason fixed the rear mast in the wrong place ! Ooops, lpete
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More pics of Borodino after her boiler episode even with it being so cold got three fifteen minute runs, not far to go now , ships boats cranes ,crows nests ,couple of turrets and barrels for main armament, now looking for plans/drawings for skirmisher regards Pete
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Stunning work Pete
She sits in the water beautifully, the only places I've seen plans of Skirmisher outside of the NMM in Greenwich is Deans Marine and a GA plan in Norman Friedman's book about Victorian Era British Cruisers.
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Thanks Nick, I have enjoyed the build , I,ll have a look for the book , must be lots of used plans out there though, regards Pete
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Hi Pete
Great to see it back in the water
Pm sent
Spud
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I've just looked through my copy of the book I mentioned and I'm sorry to say that I couldn't find what I thought were the drawings for Skirmisher/Sentinel. I did find a picture of Sentinel in the Eary Destroyers book but no drawing {:-{
I'm sure I've seen a GA drawing in one of his books- I'll have another look through the books tonight after the Warwick show.
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Thanks to spud, my next project is being thought about, found a bows on view of borodino there seemed more steam wheni took the pic, regards Pete
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A very imposing ship Pete.
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Hi Ian , all of the boats of that type were just that, on the lake it does look a bit of bruiser, but for a semi scale model it works and creates the effect of a big powerful ship the real thing must have been impresive, but if it hadnt of been for modellers like glynn guest , clive haliwell and hal harrison , giving people like me the confidence through thier expierence a and bit of a shove to attempt a project like this, regards Pete
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Quick update on Borodino ,the ships boats are complete ,just need to make sure i dont melt them with the heat from the burner, will post pics soon ,regards Pete
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Good oh, looking forward to the pictures :-))
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Thanks Ian, ive also got a finished hull frame for mikasa which has been on and off for the last year, these builds are very quick , but borodino will take some beating , regards pete
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Tried to fit ships boats with boiler heating up , well ships boats very nearly became banana boats , going to have to fit a heat just above the boat deck, couple of gun barrels to fit and she is about complete, will post some pics, regards Pete
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I'm looking forward to that.
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Testing boiler and making sure i dont bend the ships boats, im removing all of gun barrels and using brass tube may turn up a couple of barrels , she needs a dust and some bits glueing back on , but the end is in sight , regards pete
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She's a dirty old tub, but she is beautiful with it Pete :}
How did the test go?
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Hi Ian , boiler fired up and ran well , the thing is i suppose when you build something without instructions and out of your head , theres always improvements you can make as i had to with the ships boats but its a challenge and enjoyable , regards Pete
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I am very pleased to hear she ran well.
I hope to see her around perhaps at Wicksteed.
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Hi Pete,
That's great to hear she's nearly finished ,
And she sails as good as she looks . Top job :-)
Spud
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Thanks Ian and Spud for your comments and encouragement, if i can get to wicksteed with her i will . I hope this model inspires modellers to at least attempt something like this ,as i have said before the hull build times are very quick and this is not a scale model just an attempt to capture the atmosphere of the ship. During the build i made countless mistakes although i like to call them modifications and over time the more mods you make the more you improve your skills and abilities.
When she was last on the water a chap was observing my effortless manoeuvering of borodino (stop laughing spud) .He commented and said thats a pre dreadnought , yes i said , is it a kit he said . That was a suprise and i am by no means a good builder ask my wife, regards Pete
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He is of the superior spectator class that does not point and go: 'Look, its the Titanic/Bismarck,Navyship (Delete as appropriate).
It was pointed out some time ago by a fellow member that many people cannot comprehend the idea of scratchbuilding and often cannot comprehend Model making beyond Airfix kits as seen occasionally when taking their wife into Hobbycraft for wool or cake making stuff. Miniature live steam is nowadays a poorly understood concept that has caused much disbelief from visitors to my old model engineer club. One baby narrowly avoided having its 'bottom' scalded because the parents, not believing that a 5inch gauge engine was actually making real steam and not an electric smoke generator, went to sit tot on the boiler for a photo!
Anyhow, that is all for another topic. Your ships are interesting and attractive in that ninteenth century way and the man obviously knew a little about the subject. Good for him:O)
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It's been awhile since I last posted have removed the steam plant and fitted a torpedo 800 motor will post pics of her when I'm back at the pond, regards Pete
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It's great to see you about and doing stuff Pete.
Best of the season to you.
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Thanks Ian , and all the best to you, I have a partially built sms scharnhorst but info and plans are in short supply ,regards Pete
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Hi Pete
Try [size=78%]http://www.mz-modellbau.net/ (http://www.mz-modellbau.net/)[/size] for plans of Scharnhorst. They are quite quick at delivery and you get five plans of her.
One port side profile
One starboard side profile
One upper deck
One main deck
One Hull sections/waterlines
I wouldn’t recommend buying the hulls as they take forever and a day to arrive but the plans are pretty quick at being dispatched.
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Thanks for that Nick any idea of cost , have been on the website , can't seem to find it, regards Peter ok
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Hi Pete
If you click on the Union Flag icon at the bottom of the webpage it’ll translate into English. You’ll be able to navigate the site easier.
The cost is 54 Euros for the whole set.