Model Boat Mayhem

Mess Deck: General Section => Full Scale Ships => Topic started by: Liverbudgie on October 30, 2015, 09:02:46 pm

Title: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: Liverbudgie on October 30, 2015, 09:02:46 pm
After spending the last four weeks or so hanging off around the Canary Islands, the Zhen Hua 231 is due at the new Liverpool 2 site with the first consignment of container gantry cranes for the site. 

This should be quite a spectacular event and the best viewing will be from the Wirral side of the river at New Brighton from midday onwards high water is at 1459.

LB
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: Liverbudgie on October 30, 2015, 11:01:02 pm
It's this coming Monday BTW. :embarrassed:

LB
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: Brian60 on October 31, 2015, 06:14:21 am
any live feeds to watch it for those who can't get there?
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: Liverbudgie on October 31, 2015, 09:35:13 am
Yes I think there are, I'll check them out later and let you know.

LB
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: imsinking on October 31, 2015, 09:45:49 am
Really ? On the Marine Traffic A I S it's still shown as berthed in Las Palmas . . . the 'out of range' indicator is on & the position's not been updated since the 15th Oct' . . .we can see LP2 from the model boat lake at New Brighton & there still seems to be mounds of sand everywhere , frantic welding going on there , I'll have a gander on the Irish Sea A I S , the ship should be somewhere there if it's due Monday.


No sign of it anywhere in the South Irish sea sector , maybe the transponders broken ? it's not a radar fix on the AIS it's by locator transponder.

Bill
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: Liverbudgie on October 31, 2015, 11:29:35 am

 Yes really!

Lntm33-port-of-liverpool-no.33-2015-zhen-hua-231.Pdf

Currently approaching lands end.

Satisfied?

Lb
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: imsinking on October 31, 2015, 03:27:08 pm
Being SATISFIED doesn't come into it ,there's been 4 dates for delivery so far , Oct 10th / Oct 15th / Oct 30th / now Nov 2nd . . . . .
They (LP2) haven't been ready . . . . .the longer they leave it the more chance of bad weather screwing thing's up .
Not showing up on the Lands End AIS  . . . broken transponder ?
Bill
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: imsinking on October 31, 2015, 10:40:49 pm
At LAST ! ! now showing on the Marine Traffic AIS as of 22.35  Sat 31st Oct' just off Penzance, so 2nd looks good . . .
Bill
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: Liverbudgie on October 31, 2015, 11:21:56 pm
any live feeds to watch it for those who can't get there?

http://www.wirralcam.org/newbrighton.shtml

LB
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: kinmel on November 02, 2015, 03:49:10 pm
Photos taken as she passes Crosby

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/live-zhen-hua-transporter-brings-10372778
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: Liverbudgie on November 02, 2015, 08:46:44 pm
Well conditions could have been worse I suppose at least it wasn't raining. We'll just have to wait until the next lot arrive I expect.

LB
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: Nemo on November 02, 2015, 10:20:40 pm
Amazing feat - but I am shaking my head in despair the we cannot build them here, better and cheaper! %) <:(
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: derekwarner on November 02, 2015, 11:16:48 pm
Well Nemo.......Britain could have manufactured the structures at the turn of the last Century....but things have changed

I am sure you would find hundreds if not thousands of Degree qualified British mechanical engineers that could badge engineer and copy a Chinese CAD >>:-( drawing........but you would probably be hard pressed to find 1/2 a dozen trade qualified  welders to build them

Or for that matter, you may also need to import the steel plate from another land.......POSCO in Korea  :kiss: would be a good place to start

Derek
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: Tug Fanatic on November 03, 2015, 02:30:50 pm
I would think that getting them on & off the tanker would be worth watching.
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: Liverbudgie on November 03, 2015, 06:00:54 pm
A little better visibility to-day but still grey and murky. She will probably be here for two weeks or so as the cranes can only be unloaded at certain states of the tide, in day light and wind conditions.
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on November 05, 2015, 03:31:53 am
impressive ! ... but how the hell them things dont fall over when out at sea is beyond me . you cant say thats not top heavy !
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: warspite on November 05, 2015, 08:29:41 am
not really, if you consider how much hollow steel there is against how much ballast the ship can carry - even if extremely high, waters 1kg per litre - 1 tonne or 1000 litres would hardly wet the bottom of one of the tanks.
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: imsinking on November 05, 2015, 10:30:36 am
Also, I would imagine, there's some super quick side ballasting going on in order to stop any rolling sideways , if that got away the pendulum effect would take over  >>:-(  the skipper would be annoyed if that happened.
Bill
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: Nemo on November 05, 2015, 08:24:55 pm
Well Nemo.......Britain could have manufactured the structures at the turn of the last Century....but things have changed
I am sure you would find hundreds if not thousands of Degree qualified British mechanical engineers that could badge engineer and copy a Chinese CAD >>:-( drawing........but you would probably be hard pressed to find 1/2 a dozen trade qualified  welders to build them
Or for that matter, you may also need to import the steel plate from another land.......POSCO in Korea  :kiss: would be a good place to start
Derek

Derek. I did not say that Britain could manufacture these cranes any more (unlike you,  I have no experience, data, figures etc. to suggest we could)  I simply expressed my despair that we, once the greatest ship-building and engineering power in the world, are (apparently) no longer able to do so.
Bob.
Title: Re: New Gantry cranes For Liverpool.
Post by: derekwarner on November 05, 2015, 08:44:04 pm
Hullo Nemo.....

I too have no experience, data, figures etc. to suggest Britain could, however as agreed as once the greatest shipbuilding country in the world, and having arguably the largest plate finishing/rolling capacity at the turn of the century...they would have been a piece of cake to rivet the structures together :-))

Naturally though I suspect you would not find a convention rivet in any of the construction in this day & age :o...... Derek