Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: kpnuts on November 10, 2015, 06:15:53 pm
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Hi all we due to the kind generosity of CPNGROATS (a member on another forum who was so impressed by my model ships he gifted this to me from his own stash)I have received this
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today.
Thank you very, very much George, very kind indeed.
I hastily opened it tonight eader to start but my missus says NO!!! "you have enough models on the go, cluttering up my house. you finish some of them off and get them out the way". to be fair I do have 9 on the go and bits are all over the place, she's generally ok so I cant complain ( but I have found in the past a bit of sweet talking can bring her round ) so watch this space, in the very near future.
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I well remember, as a youngster, drooling over this and the sister kit "Cutty Sark" in the local model shop window, but it was way over my budget in those days. Something like 48 shillings when the average Airfix kit was about 3 shillings, If I recall.
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[/size]Hi all well since I'm having a rest from the darn Citroen I need something to fall back on (this addiction will be the death of me)I thought what be better than this,TBH I've been looking forward to this since I was kindly given it (I just hope I can do it justice) [/color][/size][/font]
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Well Ken....they say the camera never lies %)...but this morning appears to have distorted this view {-) .... Derek
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Weird, not how it looks in reality as you can see from the other pics.
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Hi all here is the next update, most of the deck colour is done with pastels
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Hi all well I've tried a little experiment, I got some copper and brass leaf with the intention of guilding the copper plates and spraying it with salt water to get the patination of the real plates, well they dissolved so that's out so now I'm thinking I will guild it then distress it with a combination of washes and such my question is ( as there is some debate as to weather it was copper or muntz metal which is an alloy of zinc and brass I think) should I guild it with copper or brass.[/size][/font][/color][/size][/font]
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The experiment is very graphic in informing your choice I think Ken.
What scale is the model? It looks quite a large ship in a smaller scale? I like your decking especially as you have used dry effects rather than wet ones, very interesting.
I can understand why you sometimes have a short fuse as you are always stretching yourself trying out new techniques etc. Good show.
Another interesting blog to watch.
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Hi all I've gone for the copper leaf (needs a bit of patching) but I think its ok
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Hi all well I've started weathering the copper.
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Hi all given the green a coat of paint and weathered that and done a bit more to the copper[/size][/font][/color]
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To bgin with I wondered if the copper plates were to shiny, but given the abrasive nature of sea water, I expect that it would be kept reasonably clean especially given its anti fouling properties.
I found this link:- http://www.mainemaritimemuseum.org/collection/notes-from-the-orlop/a-jostling-of-contraptions/ showing some old copper sheathing and how yellowish it is, so you are near the mark. I like the stains and marks on the plates!
Excellent progress Ken.
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Hi all a small update on this one
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Lovely. That deck effect is good Ken.
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Hi all here is tonight bit[/size][/font][/color]
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Hi all done a bit more to this one.
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Cracking paint work Ken.
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Hi all here is the next update
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Brill! She defintley has the looks of a merchant vessel hard used.
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Hi all here I another update (think I've managed to hide the black around the rear cabin area now)
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Looking good. I hope you are not going to use those hideous plastic sail on her, you've got too good a build to spoil it with those.
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She is coming along nicely Ken. Don't worry Brian as Ken did something very clever with his sails for the last ship he built so tey won't look that plastic at all.
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Going back to the anti-fouling, i painted soveriegn (victory in a different guise) with humbrol copper paint (particles in a suspension), i did notice that after a while it started to oxidize (green, so coated with matt varnish), so would certain areas be green or would all the copper be worn due to action of being under way, and for a ship of the line of 1785 be as utilized as this vessel - which in its day would be on the move constantly like all current container ships - time is money and all that.
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Thermopylae, like Cutty Sark would have been sheathed
in Munz Metal, a 60/40 mix of Copper and Zinc with
traces of Iron.
Also called Yellow Metal, it was much cheaper than pure copper.
Hence the Brassy colour of the plating.
Ned
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Hi all another update on this one.
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I like the bowsprit and her array of chains. Looking darn good Ken.
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Well I'm so cross with myself, went to do some rigging on this and dropped it, snapped off the rear mast broke the shrouds on the fore mast snapped some of the rigging on the bowsprit, a few of the hatches have come off, broken some of the stanchions round the top of the rear cabin. luckily nothing that cant be fixed but its put me back quite a bit, Grrrr and no one to blame but my butter fingers. I could almost swear, flippin heck, blimey and fiddle sticks (sorry for the profanities there)
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It is so bloomin annoying when our muscle control systems fail us in such a dramatic way. It almost calls for a senior moment page!
Well, I hope none of the bits have dissapeared and that yoyu have no problems getting everything restored.
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Luckily I have all the bits that matter, a couple of the belaying pins have snapped off and disappeared but I don't think it will matter and I don't think anyone would notice unless I pointed it out.
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Hi all well repairs made.
This believe it or not was the worst bit ( I glued that wheel on at least half a dozen times)
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and made a bit more progress
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She's a sweetie and will look amazing with her sails.
I am pleased you are back on track after the annoying damage >>:-(
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Hi all here is tonight update may I first say anyone contemplating this ship, please read the rigging instructions alongside the build instructions and dont leave them till the end, as you can plainly see I have not done that and still I've made things extremely awkward for myself, there is some rigging from the main mast to the four iron rings in the deck which now I have the belaying pin racks and the foremast shrouds in place will be extremely difficult to attatch.
anyway here is where I'm at now.
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Neat rigging Ken.
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Hi all here is the next update on this
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Baring in mind these are almost Identical scales (the thermop is 1/96 and the soliel is 1/100) I still cant believe how much heavier and bulkier and cumbersom the soliel was (I mean I know she had to be able to withstand cannon fire and such) but she must have been sooooooo slooooowwwww
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Hi all well this must be jinxed I went to get an hour in tonight and have had a catastrophe, now I've got several hours of remedial work, it's now back in the outhouse while I calm down.
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Oh No {:-{ , how did you spring your Bowsprit? Will it glue straight back in place without removing the sheets and chains? I am sorry to see that Sods law has been at work and wish you a successful repair job.
You are right regarding the shapes of the ships, they are designed for different jobs in the same way warships and container ships are differently shaped and sized today
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Thanks mate unfortunately for some reason I can't get it back in place either the dolphin striker is bent or the top of the foremost is bent so will have to cut all the rigging and start again (just deciding which to cut)
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Ouch Ken <*<....however just like the real vessel, with all of the ropes & wires in tension [triangle of forces]....it would have been impossible to simply reattach the bowsprit
Has the foremast top gallant moved/sprung backwards after the tension was lost?
Keep us posted............ Derek
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Thanks mate unfortunately for some reason I can't get it back in place either the dolphin striker is bent or the top of the foremost is bent so will have to cut all the rigging and start again (just deciding which to cut)
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Well repairs made and a small update, I really hope I don't have any further catastrophe's
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Hi all, well I needed to do something to take my mind off things so decided to start the ratlines (actually I found it very relaxing)
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Hi all more progress on the Thermopylae
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I am very peased to see that you managed to repair her without resort to throwing it in the bin or just going mad and running up and down your road waving the model in the air and ranting.
She's really starting to look excellent and I am glad that you found theraputic value from doing the ratlines.
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Hi all got the rear railings on and made a start on the aft mast ratlines connections.
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Well if you can do this sort of work before you get your eyesight up to scratch, then imagine how good it will be afterwards!
Looking good Ken.
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Hi all here is the progress so far.
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Hi all here is the next update .
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Gorgeous Ken :-)) Attractive rigging.
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Hi all here is the next update I noticed a split in the vac form mizzen sail and was going to patch it with a stitched square then thought I would experiment with some super glue.
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Unfortunately the superglue made the weathering go white but a coat of acrylic white and you would never know.
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I've finished all the ratlines on the forecast
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Hi all here is the next update seems like a lot of rigging on this but it's nothing compared to the soliel royal, and I've barely started this.
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Hi all here is the next update
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I'm actually quite shocked and proud, my missus just said you can't stick that in your junk yard(what she calls my spares room)she said I just can't think where to put it, maybe we could get a display cabinet.
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I agree. You have made a great job of the rigging even if not yet complete.
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Hi all, well that's one mast finished, only 2 more to go.
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Hi all well this is shelved again for a while I've broken the (I don't know what it's called) the bit that tensions the bowsprit, I'm not actually sure how to fix it as it's very thin plastic and superglue doesn't seem to work I'm so annoyed at my clumsiness, this is the fourth time I've broken something on this kit. I will fix it, it's just annoying.
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That is a horrible looking part.
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Hi all well fixed part so back on it again.
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Hi all here's the next update got the anchor chains the anchors and populated the ship with sailors.
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Hi all on the last leg now.
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She is smaller than I imagined. The crew really brought it home to me.
Lovely job :-))
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Very nice ship!!!! The crew make it even better!!!! ok2
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Well I'm livid I was hoping to finish this tonight (so close and now so far) I picked it up to turn it round to do the rigging on the left side of the second mizzen sail and it slipped from my fingers, if I'd let it fall it would probably landed on the floor on it's stand with no damage instead clumsy me tried to save it I broke the bowsprit (again) it took Supreme control not to hurl it at the wall I've managed to create a heath Robinson collection of weights and threads to pull it all together and get all the rigging true (the dolphin striker will be a bit twisted though) I'm hoping when all set it will still all be true and I won't have to strip all the rigging off and start again. I really am cross, I mean really cross, I came so close to finishing her grrr.
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Yup, done that (though the model was no where near as complex). Model tank just being varnished and I was trying to hold it without getting finger marks on the drying varnish, and so dropped it on a carpet. You know what soap looks like if it gets dropped on a carpet.......
Out with the white spirit and then time spent touching up the three colour camo scheme as well as refitting a gun barrel and filling a dink; repainting that from basecoat up.
She is a lovely model and you will sort it out and all will be well. Keep the faith Ken :-))
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Hi all well it's finally finished.
Just one question, I know which one goes on the main mast from the box art but where do these other flags go.
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Wonderful, she's a beauty! :-))
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She's a stunner alright! I've got the smaller, more recent, plastic kit half built at home. Really need to finish the thing off, but its small size and my shaky hands make for slow progress.
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BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))