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Title: The car tax disc
Post by: sparkey on November 27, 2015, 03:38:40 pm
 <:( If you are like me rue the passing of the tax disc,there was something reassuring about getting that little round piece of paper after parting with all that hard earned cash,well it has come light today that the 9 million pounds saving that getting rid of the disc would produce has turned into a loss of 86 million pounds,well that was clever wasn't it,they (the people with all the brains) said that anyone without tax would be picked up by the police,we don't have enough police to fight crime let alone nick car tax dodgers,what they forgot was that traffic wardens and others reported them to DVLA now they can't as they don't have access to the data,I say bring back the little disc so we can all see who is paying their way and no more bright idea's please.....Ray <*< <*< <*< <*< 
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: FsASTSyd1 on November 27, 2015, 07:26:40 pm
Isn't it the little booklet for new MPs "If it ain't broke - FIX IT"  :-)) %% :}


Syd J
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: derekwarner on November 27, 2015, 07:34:31 pm
Same here in most States of OZ, pay the registration but no label for the car

Here we don't have a lot of Constables on the beat, just driving around in V8 super  :police: cars.......0 to 100 in 2/3 of 10 seconds

These vehicles would remind many of a internals of a jet fighter ....goodness knows how the  :police: driver can remember which button commences a video camera FWD....or AFT or to the sides via joysticks....then aim the camera at the rego plates & in 14 milli seconds the image is back from a computer somewhere....confirming if the vehicle in question has valid registration......then the chase is on....

V8 super car does a 180 degree hand brake turn at 50 km/hour, tyres belching blue smoke .......intercepts the suspect vehicle and informs the driver she is driving an unregistered vehicle

The driver protests, stating she has a valid registration electronic receipt at home on her computer........the two children in the vehicle [think it is all a joke].......'they are my {-)  %) grandsons'

The :police: officer states that he will be lenient and not charge her this time if she drives immediately to her home......

[further investigation reveals that there is a 24 hour delay >>:-(  between most Australian Insurance companies computers transferring data to the NSW Department of Motor Vehicles computers that the  :police: access for their information] .............

Derek

Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Bob K on November 27, 2015, 07:38:37 pm
The figures just released show twice as many untaxed vehicles as before.  Inevitable really as if you have no tax disk or an out of date one it was so obvious to all.  Now it relies on random database checks that no one has the been given the extra resources to do. 
Another major loss of revenue was in the penalty for not displaying a tax disk was significantly more than merely not having paid the vehicle tax. 
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Shipmate60 on November 27, 2015, 07:47:39 pm
I was in getting one of our company vehicles MoT'd when a lady came in as she thought her MoT was near expiry. When checked it certainly was, over a year expired and of course she was never stopped.


Bob
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: malcolmfrary on November 28, 2015, 09:14:10 am
A mate of mine had been cheerfully driving around for several months with an expired drivers license.  So its quite probable that the traffic cops concentrate on likely profiles for checking vehicles. 
I have yet to see a high tech "economy solution" rollout replacing a mature working system actually produce the intended results, mostly because the people proposing the change knew even less than the people implementing the change about the job that was being affected.  A company that I worked for changed over from paper time sheets filled in by pen to an electronic "organizer" device.  The instruction book that everybody had to use would have provided the paper for 6 months of time sheets.  Each change (and there were plenty) took about a months worth of extra paper.  Inputting data was a slow and cumbersome business, a job that was a few minute per week became a good half hour per day, on a good day.  The kick came at the end of the week when the data chips were sent in to clerical, where the data was read off and put on paper.  So a paper free system actually used more paper than the system it was replacing and cost more manhours than was previously used, eventually winding up on paper, so that the bosses in the office could use it.
The discless system might work one day, but it will be at vastly more cost than the instigators ever imagined, in needing different hardware out in the field and in the quantity of that hardware, and the extra training of extra people to work it. 
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: mrsgoggins on November 28, 2015, 09:26:33 am
It's another well thought through move, just like 24 hour drinking and allowing solicitors to advertise.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: plastic on November 28, 2015, 09:34:16 am
I travel to the US quite often - it's interesting that the UK government seems to be picking and choosing the worst possible trends from there.

The next will probably be a change in prescriptions so you can buy your own drugs direct if they are cheaper than the chemists (apparently, only 10% of people pay for prescriptions anyway). That will lead to drugs being advertised heavily on tv - alongside the lawyers and insurance and Geico internet.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: essex2visuvesi on November 28, 2015, 10:13:22 am
I still don't understand why the tax cannot be levied onto fuel prices.



Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Bob K on November 28, 2015, 10:23:47 am
I still don't understand why the tax cannot be levied onto fuel prices.

Actually, it is.  Going back awhile tax was hyped up on fuel to move towards fuel-only taxes used across Europe.  In the end we never dropped road tax, but still kept the EU-style high tax on fuel.
Currently we pay just about the highest fuel prices in Europe, where of course other countries pay at the pump rather through a vehicle tax disk system.

See  http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ (http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/)
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: sparkey on November 28, 2015, 10:24:26 am
 :-)) I don't understand either,it is the most fare way, the more you use the road the more you pay and no one can dodge it,it also would save on admin costs and best of all it would be one less thing to worry about every year....Ray :-)) 
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: inertia on November 28, 2015, 11:14:43 am
:-)) I don't understand either,it is the most fare way, the more you use the road the more you pay and no one can dodge it,it also would save on admin costs and best of all it would be one less thing to worry about every year....Ray :-))

I can just imagine the vastly-different sets of calculations and propaganda which would be put up in support of, and objection to, such a proposal.
On one side the AA and RAC would be in favour because it would greatly assist the private motorists who typically do less miles than those who drive company vehicles (and therefore are not paying the road tax themselves), while the road haulage folk would be up in arms. The Greens would love it because the car manufacturers would then have even more of a reason to improve fuel consumption, while the Jeremy Clarkson Fan Club would howl in pain at the cost of taking their turbo-nutter-idiot machines into the filling station.
Of course, the politicians probably have their own vested interests too, so I doubt whether anything will be done about it. After all, it's easier for the clods at the Treasury just to add the shortfall to the tax take and recalculate new rates; most of us will pay up anyway.
At the end of the day it's far too simple and much too sensible, so the EU is bound to object!!
DM
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: essex2visuvesi on November 28, 2015, 02:37:47 pm
My car is a 1300 yet still attracts the 500pa road tax, as well as returning 20ish MPG
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: nivapilot on November 28, 2015, 02:52:34 pm
AA and RAC wouldn't like it either.....both have massive fuel bills.
Probably larger than a lot of haulage companies.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Netleyned on November 28, 2015, 02:56:54 pm
My car is a 1300 yet still attracts the 500pa road tax, as well as returning 20ish MPG

The joy of rotors %) %)

Ned
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: essex2visuvesi on November 28, 2015, 03:02:56 pm
The joy of rotors %) %)

Ned


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Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Perkasaman2 on November 28, 2015, 03:36:46 pm
I feel that  individual vehicle taxation is quite pointless and unnecessary. It should be levied on fuel instead. I suppose this money is notionally spent on the national road system and the taxed raised on  fuel would be more or less proportional to each road user. Heavy vehicles cause most of the damage to road surfaces congestion issues aside.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: plastic on November 28, 2015, 03:45:14 pm
Road tax is kept separate to subsidise the haulage industry - if you put it on fuel, the small car / low mileage drivers would pay little tax so the heavy users would have to pay a lot more than their current total tax to keep the 'take' the same.

That would put a huge jump into transport costs and, in turn, inflation - so the governement will always keep it separate.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 28, 2015, 03:46:53 pm
Taxing fuel certainly makes more sense but the problem is that in moving from the present system there will be big winners and losers and some of the losers could be put out of business. Whenever you change the basis of a tax system it is the transitional arrangements which cause the biggest headache.

Colin
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Bob K on November 28, 2015, 05:50:15 pm
Taxing fuel certainly makes more sense ....


You want tax on fuel instead - you already have it.  We have almost the most expensive and highly taxed fuel almost anywhere in the world.  Here its as if we had an expensive pay to view BBC whilst still retaining the TV licence fee.  Who would accept that? 
61% of every litre is tax, more than almost all other countries who tax at the pump instead of applying a road tax.  So, the AA RAC road hauliers, even ambulances, all get penalised to our commercial detriment - then we all get hit with road tax on top.  Drop road tax, unlike most others we are paying twice.

PS:  To put it in context I pay 50 for my road tax, and at 2,300 miles a year that only works out at 2 pence per mile. 
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 28, 2015, 06:19:22 pm
'You want tax on fuel instead - you already have it.'

Yes, you are right of course, the issue is whether the road tax should be added to the existing fuel tax (which has VAT added to it of course!)

Fuel prices do vary considerably all over the world, North America is ridiculously cheap by our standards but some European countries are expensive, Greece for example. On top of that the differential between petrol and diesel can vary a lot as well.

I suppose the other point worth making is that the road tax itself is unfairness upon unfairness with many VW drivers probably paying rather less than they ought to!

Colin
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: essex2visuvesi on November 28, 2015, 06:49:56 pm


PS:  To put it in context I pay 50 for my road tax, and at 2,300 miles a year that only works out at 2 pence per mile.


Mine equates to 12.5p per mile as I do approximately 4000 miles a year
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Grumpy Dave on November 28, 2015, 09:32:32 pm
Ref Bob K. 'There are twice as many untaxed cars'. Maybe this means that they are better at catching untaxed cars than they were. Apart from that I agree , we are the soft targets, the AA & RAC are not looking after our interests, we have no 'heavy duty' lobbyists (no pun intended). We are treated worse than criminals. Life is c*%p ,until you consider the alternative.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Andyn on November 28, 2015, 09:59:55 pm
Taxing fuel certainly makes more sense

How does it? The minimum wage cleaner who has to travel 20 miles to work in his old Corsa will suddenly be paying considerably more tax than the school run mum in her 34,000 Audi Q5. Mr Corsa won't be able to afford to work anymore and will have to go on the dole. Makes perfect sense to me.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 28, 2015, 10:41:41 pm
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'How does it? The minimum wage cleaner who has to travel 20 miles to work in his old Corsa will suddenly be paying considerably more tax than the school run mum in her 34,000 Audi Q5. Mr Corsa won't be able to afford to work anymore and will have to go on the dole. Makes perfect sense to me.'

Just because it would be a more sensible method doesn't mean that it would be sensible to impose it. You would get extreme winners and losers so how do you manage the transitional arrangements? I have already made that point above.

Still, it does raise the question of whether fuel and road tax should reflect the amount of use made of the roads or whether it should be used as a rather rough and ready redistribution of money between the richer and poorer elements of society. If you were starting from scratch I don't think you would do it that way but we are not starting from scratch. Maybe a gradual transition from road tax to fuel tax would be the answer. It wouldn't prevent there being winners and losers but there would be some time to adjust. Whenever you make changes for what might be termed 'the general good' some poor devil will end up with the short straw. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't go ahead with he change but it does mean that every effort should be made to give the losers a soft landing although quite how you might do that when moving road tax to additional fuel tax is problematical to say the least - which is probably why it hasn't been done.

Colin

Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: BrianB6 on November 29, 2015, 06:19:29 am
From the ABC Melbourne:
 Victoria's road authority will pay back motorists who did not receive notices to renew their registration, and were then penalised for driving unregistered vehicles.  (some over $2,000)

Since windscreen stickers have been phased out, VicRoads sends notices to drivers telling them to renew their registration.
But many drivers have complained they never received a letter and were unaware they were driving unregistered cars until they were caught by police.
A similar thing happened in 2014 after about 15,000 driving licence renewals were not sent out and about 8,000 customers did not renew as a result, and 768 received a fine.
 >>:-(




 
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: FsASTSyd1 on November 29, 2015, 09:38:53 am
I suppose as long as the DVLA send out a renewal notice, do they? or you have paid the tax by direct debit  everything is OK. But is this increase in untaxed vehicles because the DVLA is not notifying or are people ignoring any thought of the matter. On the other subject of putting the tax on fuel, cannot see it changing after all the government is getting two bites at the cherry isn't it. The bigger your vehicles engine (generally) the more the annual tax and within reason the bigger the engine, and indeed the more miles you cover, the more fuel you will need so you are paying more tax that way. Seen many suggestions of course of dump the RFL and put a couple of pence on fuel, does anybody think it would be a couple of pence, when this was banded about and fuel was only 3/6 a gallon (4P a Litre in new money) it was also suggested that between 15 and 30% would need to be added to that price never mind anything else that has changed since. 
[/size]Syd J
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 29, 2015, 09:54:42 am
Isn't it interesting just how much we are now all dependent upon reminders? This morning I had emails asking me to read my gas and electricity meters and telling me that my library books would soon become overdue. Once upon a time it was our responsibility to remember these things but now the onus has shifted to the 'authorities' who are 'to blame' if they don't remind us.

Although convenient, it's creeping infantilism in some ways. Another example is the proliferation of speed limits everywhere, many of which are unnecessary. Drivers are no longer considered to be sufficiently competent to navigate their vehicles with due care and attention and in accordance with the prevailing conditions. Take away people's responsibility and they regress into idiocy!

Colin
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Tug Fanatic on November 29, 2015, 10:37:50 am
I guess the argument would go that road tax gives you the right to use the road - a fixed cost - and that fuel tax is a variable cost that reflects your usage. Either way it is just a tax and they will get the money from you in some way.


I agree with Colin Bishop about speed limits and the fact that they now change many times in short lengths of road. There is s stretch or road around here that used to be national speed limit - 60mph. It is now 60 then 30 then 40 then 30 then 40 then 50. Very reasonable over 10 miles you might think but this all happens in two miles. At the same time they have reduced the size of speed limit change signs so that they are little bigger than repeaters. The camera vans and police radar gun operators are having a field day. It is becoming harder to be law abiding.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 29, 2015, 10:57:02 am
Quite right that if you change the system the total tax take is likely to remain the same (or may rise as the government of the day rarely passes up the opportunity to introduce a stealth tax rise.)

Any changes will almost inevitably bear more heavily on some people and less on others. There is no 'right' answer - just potential options, each of which have consequences, some of which can be unexpected.

If you want simplified tax collection then put it all on fuel. If not then you have to accept the administrative overheads associated with raising a flat rate tax contribution for each class of vehicle irrespective of how it is used.

Colin
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: inertia on November 29, 2015, 11:00:03 am
Colin

For too many people I'm afraid idiocy is an aspiration rather than an affliction.

In circumstances like these the law always puts the responsibility onto the potential miscreant not to transgress. For example, the offence never was a failure to have a current tax disc - it was a failure to display it. No amount of "it's in the post", "I forgot to fix it into the car", "the dog's eaten it", "I was abused as a child" etc can mitigate the fact that the damned thing wasn't where it was supposed to be. Similarly no-one was ever prosecuted for failing to post a tax return; the offence is failing to render one (to the appropriate address). In neither case could there be any "excuse" - these are absolute offences. It's unfortunate that magistrates and judges seem to have been given powers to mitigate in certain offences when it comes to sentencing (BTW nice one, Oscar... :-)) ). That has set off the media in pursuit of "justice" whenever some crime is perceived as not entirely the fault of the person who committed it. Now the presumption is that this culpable third party should include government agencies for not reminding us of our own obligations. It's said that ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. In that case why should stupidity or irresponsibility be treated with any more leniency?

Yes - DVLA does still send out road tax reminders - I had one just this week. Untaxed vehicles are by definition also uninsured, and so anyone who has an accident involving one of these is up a gumtree when it comes to redress - or at least a long way up a certain smelly creek with a very small paddle. As regards prosecuting those who run untaxed vehicles, it is surely not beyond the wit of man to produce from DVLA's database a list of cars which were taxed in the immediately preceding year but have no current tax or SORN declaration. This list could give names, addresses, postcodes, car reg numbers - in fact everything necessary for an authorised agency to identify and seize untaxed cars and prosecute their keepers. There's even a widely-used computer system called ANPR which will spot and flag up any of these cars as they pass by a roadside camera. How's that for an absolute offence?

What's lacking is the will to do it.... Now that IS the fault of government and its agencies. I think I'll write to The Times... >>:-(

DM

PS Speaking as a former revenue officer I can only remind you of the cardinal rule of taxation: Heads I win; Tails you lose. (You can have that reminder on the house).
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Tug Fanatic on November 29, 2015, 11:08:58 am
Have you ever noticed that a fair tax is one that I don't have to pay and an unfair tax is one that I do?  O0
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: FsASTSyd1 on November 29, 2015, 12:21:01 pm
Speed Limits. Maybe I shouldn't say it but I remember when, apart from I think it was the Royal Parks, there was only one limit. 30MPH as marked up for towns and villages. Remember covering 90% of what was then the M1 at more than a 100mph(Try not to go on it at all these days) trusty old BSA Super Rocket needed a week to recover.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: grendel on November 29, 2015, 12:58:42 pm
How does it? The minimum wage cleaner who has to travel 20 miles to work in his old Corsa will suddenly be paying considerably more tax than the school run mum in her 34,000 Audi Q5. Mr Corsa won't be able to afford to work anymore and will have to go on the dole. Makes perfect sense to me.
I would certainly be poorer, at 124 miles per day, despite having a reasonably efficient car I still pay the full (old) amount as my car is pre emmissions tax, despite every year acing the emmissions part of the test, I am happy today as our local asda has just gone below 1.00 a gallon for the first time in years. I have old cars because its greener to not keep buying new ones (even if they are more efficient) until the old ones wear out.
Grendel
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: grendel on November 29, 2015, 01:05:44 pm
I do see the enforcment car with its cameras on the M2 at least once or twice a month, monitoring the traffic from Kent into London.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 29, 2015, 01:22:42 pm
That's another balanced argument Grendel, at what point do the overall emissions associated with manufacturing a new car offset the higher emission levels of keeping an old one on the road? I must confess that I wasn't sad to see my old pre DPF Mondeo go as the amount of soot it was chucking out the back under acceleration was becoming socially embarrassing yet the engine was running to spec.

My present Mazda 6 petrol 2 litre is giving me 43mpg overall which isn't bad. Much nicer car too!

Colin
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: inertia on November 29, 2015, 01:38:13 pm
Have you ever noticed that a fair tax is one that I don't have to pay and an unfair tax is one that I do?  O0
The only fair tax is one that EVERYONE has to pay and can't simply avoid by employing an expensive tax adviser.
Ah! Them were 't days! I used to love tax advisers (or "failed tax inspectors" as we knew them); I'd have one for breakfast, two for lunch and generally five or six for dinner.  8)
DM
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: davidm1945 on November 29, 2015, 03:34:35 pm
The only fair tax is one that EVERYONE has to pay



I think that was the Poll Tax - the one that did for Maggie Thatcher 'cos NOBODY wanted to pay it!


Dave
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Grumpy Dave on November 29, 2015, 06:47:14 pm
It is no longer Road fund tax it is a tax on the pollution you create. Electric and hybrid cars pay no tax. I don't pay tax on my pre 72 Landrovers.Probably because the don't create pollution. I don't have to MOT my 58 Landrover.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: plastic on November 29, 2015, 06:55:38 pm
It is no longer Road fund tax it is a tax on the pollution you create. Electric and hybrid cars pay no tax. I don't pay tax on my pre 72 Landrovers.Probably because the don't create pollution. I don't have to MOT my 58 Landrover.

They did that for 2 reasons - 1st was to link everything to global waming / global cooling / climate change or whatever eco-tax bandwagon and the 2nd was because it was becoming more and more obvious that the 'road tax' was not being spent on repairing roads.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Liverbudgie on November 29, 2015, 07:33:43 pm
The only way to beat this road tax malarkey though is to find a per 1973 vehicle. I've had one since April 1977 though, she "Demelza" that is, has been laid up since October 1986. This year though I decided that after my little "episode" in January it was now or never. So I enrolled on a car restoration course at Liverpool Community College to do the work.

To wind you lot even more, I was informed by another "student" that if I wanted to do more than three hours a week I could enrol on the daytime course but to do I would have to apply for a "student grant".  This I did and last week I began on the daytime course, the resulting grant BTW is 5,400+. The real downside is that it is paid to the college and not to me  :((

Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Subculture on November 29, 2015, 07:43:26 pm
Actually pre '75 now. The freeze was taken off a couple of budgets back.
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: imsinking on November 29, 2015, 08:07:47 pm
Well, I built my own KITCAR in 1985 , and still have it . . . this 'road tax' discussion really wound me up and (like an IDIOT) I'd worked out what it's cost me in taxation , made a montage of the tax discs over a photo & posted it on our JAGO OWNERS website  . . . .
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/903/YlMDS4.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/p3YlMDS4j)
 %%   >>:-(   <:(  it was a STUPID thing to do  {:-{  I was quite happy in ignorance . . . 
NOW fuel prices are in the frame , way back I wrote to our 'Obedient Servants' pointing out that TWO THIRDS of the price of fuel is DUTY and their taxing a tax, the VAT therefore should be on the base price of the fuel . . . all to no avail . . .
The DVLA dont want to know about it being tax exempt either  >>:-(   
"Being a 'Q' prefix states 'indeterminate year of manufacture' so in other words I CAN SWIVEL ON IT . . .
Bill
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: madboats on November 29, 2015, 08:41:36 pm
One point seems to have been missed on road tax to be added to the price at the pump.
Has pointed out haulage contractors would be hard hit with the extra cost as most of what we buy in the shops or online comes by road would that cost filter its way down to cost of the products?
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: inertia on November 29, 2015, 11:12:24 pm
One point seems to have been missed on road tax to be added to the price at the pump.
Has pointed out haulage contractors would be hard hit with the extra cost as most of what we buy in the shops or online comes by road would that cost filter its way down to cost of the products?

See Reply #17:
That would put a huge jump into transport costs and, in turn, inflation - so the government will always keep it separate.
The answer to your question would seem to be "yes". (Do try to keep up).

And now - Rubbing salt into the wound #5:
From its inception in 1973 until November 1974 the VAT rate on road fuel of any type was 0% (as a type of fuel). Since then it's had every positive rate of VAT apart from the present 5% rate - which is for fuel... Makes you want to cry, doesn't it?

DM





Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Perkasaman2 on November 30, 2015, 01:24:41 pm
Perhaps the government should cancel V E D then carpet the road system with speed cameras and let all the  Range Rover, BMW and Audi owners make up the shortfall in fines.  %)   
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 30, 2015, 01:30:11 pm
Quote
Perhaps the government should cancel V E D then carpet the road system with speed cameras and let all the  Range Rover, BMW and Audi owners make up the shortfall in fines'


I think it is more likely to be the local boy racers in overstressed Corsas actually.....
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Netleyned on November 30, 2015, 01:47:58 pm










I think it is more likely to be the local boy racers in overstressed Corsas actually.....


Unless you happen to live in Fife East Neuk where
they all drive Scoobies  >>:-(


Ned
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Perkasaman2 on November 30, 2015, 01:52:41 pm
I'm happy to add these extras to my list. For the sake of brevity lets agree on  'boy racers and wannabes' to cover the rest.  :}
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: sparkey on November 30, 2015, 02:31:58 pm
 :-))  Walking on the way back from the doctors this morning(the nice medic says I must do 20mins walking every day), I tried to total up the cost of all the road tax of the cars I past,what with the Chelsea tractors,high end BMWs Auldi's and the odd Bentley it came to a few bob,the fact that anyone would need a 4x4 in Wandsworth puzzles me when the furthest they go is the school run or to get their nails done........Ray. {-) {-)   
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Netleyned on November 30, 2015, 03:12:42 pm
How else would they cope with all the snowdrifts on the Common.
Oops forgot, First snowflake all schools are closed due to
keeping elfins safe.
No school run  {:-{


Ned
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: sparkey on November 30, 2015, 03:34:51 pm
 {-)  Last week I was in the tyre fitters parting with my hard earned lolly for a couple of boots,in the other bay they had a 4x4 huge BMW being fitted with new winter tyres at 297 pounds a pop you never know perhaps the lady was going to venture into Richmond Park,any one know the road tax on one of those things maybe 400-500 what do you think?........Ray. {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: inertia on November 30, 2015, 04:08:56 pm
any one know the road tax on one of those things maybe 400-500 what do you think?........Ray.
Not nearly enough...
Why you should require a vehicle as big as a battle-tank to transport one child the size of an amoeba for a few hundred yards is beyond me. There are several roads around here which are completely impassable for two hours every day while these "ladies" try to maneuver their ego-mobiles around each other. Ever seen a 21-point turn? I had to sit and watch one not long ago. Crazy.
DM
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: inertia on November 30, 2015, 05:19:25 pm
The attached link was sent to me by an aspiring BMW owner who currently drives a Ford...  %)   (No names, no pack-drill.)
http://www.roadtaxprices.co.uk/BMW_Road_Tax.htm (http://www.roadtaxprices.co.uk/BMW_Road_Tax.htm)
Like I said, not nearly enough!

DM
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: essex2visuvesi on November 30, 2015, 06:28:06 pm
There is no need for winter tyres in the UK
It's all a marketing ploy
Title: Re: The car tax disc
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 30, 2015, 06:40:48 pm
'There is no need for winter tyres in the UK'

Not down here in the soft South but the situation is a bit different in the Scottish mountains and probably the Pennines as well. And we don't have the option of lassooing a convenient passing reindeer to pull us out of the ditch. Grey squirrels just don't cut it.

Colin