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Title: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Stavros on January 27, 2016, 08:58:58 pm
https://gcaptain.com/2016/01/26/listing-car-carrier-modern-express-abandoned-in-bay-of-biscay/#.VqkvV4_XJok



Dave
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Colin Bishop on January 27, 2016, 09:35:18 pm
Good find Dave.

Colin
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Peter Fitness on January 27, 2016, 09:58:32 pm
Car carriers must be among the ugliest vessels afloat {:-{  My middle son worked for Wallenius Wilhelmsen (until they closed the Sydney office and sent all their IT work to Thailand <*<  ) and I used to tell him their ships looked like floating, featureless blocks of metal O0


Peter.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: boneash on January 27, 2016, 10:46:17 pm
The super towing vessel on its way to rescue the listing car transporter

https://gcaptain.com/2016/01/18/photos-abaille-bourbon-battles-heavy-seas-in-raz-de-sein/#.VqlEcM3bC1E
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: tigertiger on January 28, 2016, 03:32:12 am
https://gcaptain.com/2016/01/26/listing-car-carrier-modern-express-abandoned-in-bay-of-biscay/#.VqkvV4_XJok (https://gcaptain.com/2016/01/26/listing-car-carrier-modern-express-abandoned-in-bay-of-biscay/#.VqkvV4_XJok)



Dave


Some nice rescue footage on there Dave.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: BrianB6 on January 28, 2016, 06:13:34 am
If it is a "Pure car and vehicle carrier" what is it doing carrying timber and construction materials?
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Brian60 on January 28, 2016, 08:07:10 am
If it is a "Pure car and vehicle carrier" what is it doing carrying timber and construction materials?

Probably because a lot of shipping is in dire straits at the moment and any cargo is better than no cargo and having to pay out huge sums to tie a ship in port. There are in UK ports at the moment over 100 anchor handlers tied up and crews laid off due to the price drop in oil. A report issued yesterday said that NO anchor handlers were working the North Sea fields at the moment, think about that! Supply ships yes, but rig movers no.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Tug Fanatic on January 28, 2016, 08:34:59 am
The super towing vessel on its way to rescue the listing car transporter

https://gcaptain.com/2016/01/18/photos-abaille-bourbon-battles-heavy-seas-in-raz-de-sein/#.VqlEcM3bC1E

That is what I call a handsome tug!
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: malcolmfrary on January 28, 2016, 10:14:46 am
If it is a "Pure car and vehicle carrier" what is it doing carrying timber and construction materials?
I'm not sure that they can guarantee that, having carried a load of cars one way, there will be a corresponding number of cars going the other way.  Rather than just ballast the box down, they might well carry something that pays. 
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Robotnik on January 28, 2016, 01:20:23 pm
It doesn't look like it is taking on water or sinking,  just a guess, it looks like whatever it is carrying has shifted due to bad weather.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Nemo on January 28, 2016, 06:39:17 pm
Fair bit of salvage there - if they can make it!
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Buccaneer on January 28, 2016, 08:11:52 pm
Could be some cracking good pictures if they do.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Nemo on January 28, 2016, 08:27:37 pm
Shades of the SS 'Flying Enterprise and the tug 'Turmoil' in 1951!

Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: malcolmfrary on January 29, 2016, 08:58:01 am
A more recent report - http://www.lloydslist.com/ll/sector/ship-operations/article478348.ece

Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Brian60 on February 01, 2016, 07:42:05 am
Here's an update report from the bbc. It looks like it's going to run aground...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35456682
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: essex2visuvesi on February 01, 2016, 11:18:28 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35457765
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: BFSMP on February 01, 2016, 12:47:42 pm
This one is carrying a cargo of timber though.

Time for you chaps in France and Northern Spain to start thinking of building a new larger man cave, and only for the price of some petrol and nails.

Jim.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: warspite on February 01, 2016, 01:29:57 pm
And if the stern hits first, think big, get the ramp down and have a digger for the foundations for the new shed.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Netleyned on February 01, 2016, 02:14:54 pm
Under tow at this time.


Ned
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Brian60 on February 01, 2016, 06:21:49 pm
With four acres of what we call laughingly a garden, I could do with one. As it is we have to rely on a Salvador a local with his tractor, he'd due this weekend and charges 25 an hour to plough 3 acres of it over for us. The other acre is after ten years of my hard graft a proper garden!
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: grendel on February 01, 2016, 09:07:26 pm
I remember when there was all that timber washed up on the kent coast and everyone was being warned off going and picking it up by the police. I know that quite a bit was scavenged, and that some people were prosecuted.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 01, 2016, 10:04:42 pm
Along the Sussex coast too. I don't think that the timber was actually of any use though once it had been soaked in saltwater.

Colin
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: boneash on February 02, 2016, 12:49:47 am
Why do you think that Colin?
In Nelson's time , for example, they had sea water pickling ponds for the timbers for his ship construction.

    Rod
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: TugCowboy on February 02, 2016, 07:39:39 am
I rather like a bit of driftwood.

Have made a couple of knife handles from gorgeous driftwood I've picked up off the beach over the years. They look even better than the rare bits of wood one pays a fortune for.

Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: derekwarner on February 02, 2016, 08:16:44 am
Without getting too far off thread  :embarrassed:..... the timber on-board this vessel was reported as construction timber which could have been a quick growing specie & not really suitable for marine construction

It is also referenced that the timbers used in Nelsons time would have been oaken or and other old growth hard woods.....which had a weight or specific gravity approaching that where it didn't actually float <*<.... Derek
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 02, 2016, 08:35:06 am
As Derek says, it was sawn constructional timber which would have warped in water and thus was of no use for it's intended purpose.

Colin
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: roycv on February 02, 2016, 01:03:19 pm
Hi all, I have read in the past about pre-Nelson age ship construction and many ships were rotting 'down below' before they took to the water.

On the other hand we do not always get good quality wood even now.  Wood products, ply etc, is produced for a price, you have to pay for good quality.  I think ply comes in about 6 variants, I use Thames quality ply or more often Marine quality.

It seems wrong thinking to put lots of time into making something from old pallets because they are cheap.
Sorry gone a bit off thread.
regards Roy
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: cos918 on February 02, 2016, 05:14:36 pm
That is what I call a handsome tug!


I am sure there was some on here building her . I will see if I can find the build log on here.


John
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Brian60 on February 02, 2016, 06:02:09 pm
This is the best pictorial build log of the Abeille Bourbon you will ever see..........

https://picasaweb.google.com/105202506859524458881/BauberichtABEILLEBOURBON02
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: cos918 on February 02, 2016, 08:15:51 pm
I knew there was a Build of the Abeille Bourbon on here
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,31944.0.html
John
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 03, 2016, 06:20:26 pm
The ship has now been towed in to Bilbao. She looks in a really precarious condition and I'm surprised she has not capsized. But what an ugty hull shape!

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2016/02/03/01016-20160203ARTFIG00180-le-cargo-modern-express-fait-route-vers-le-port-de-bilbao.php

Colin
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: boneash on February 03, 2016, 06:47:25 pm
I would love to see the loading plan??
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: dodes on February 03, 2016, 07:40:21 pm
Regards to that soft wood not suitable for ship construction, the Yanks used it for ships working up North, though they only lasted about ten years, they still paid for themselves.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 03, 2016, 09:31:36 pm
Another extraordinary video here:

http://www.sudouest.fr/2016/02/03/video-le-cargo-modern-express-est-arrive-a-bilbao-2263177-739.php

Surely it must have been a risk bringing her into port like that. What would have happened had she capsized in the harbour entrance?

Colin
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: malcolmfrary on February 04, 2016, 08:53:33 am
What was the alternative?  Let it sink at sea or beach it as a probably terminal wreck?
If the salvors had managed to get their lines on it and tow it out of a Biscay storm, the chances of it suddenly foundering in calm sheltered water were probably judged slender enough to recover the vessel.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 04, 2016, 09:29:21 am
Malcolm, they adopted a different approach to the car carrier that suffered a similar problem in the Solent. The Port of Southampton wouldn't accept it until it had been stabilised so there was a very delicate reballasting exercise needed to bring it back almost upright. Of course the situation here could be different in that the earlier problem was incorrect ballasting but in this instance it appears that the cargo had shifted resulting is rather different stability problems and maybe there was no convenient sheltered water to undertake operations. However the ship has clearly taken on more water since the initial cargo shift, being noticeably down by the stern and with an increased list.

Colin
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: jarvo on February 04, 2016, 10:16:03 am
HI Colin, i agree, she is well down at the stern, but when you look at her rolling in the swell she comes back up quickly, some water must have entered the hull but she seems to be reasonably tight, can only be a slight influx, at that angle she should have taken on a lot of water.


See what the salvors report says


Mark
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Tug Fanatic on February 04, 2016, 10:24:52 am
Another extraordinary video here:

http://www.sudouest.fr/2016/02/03/video-le-cargo-modern-express-est-arrive-a-bilbao-2263177-739.php

Surely it must have been a risk bringing her into port like that. What would have happened had she capsized in the harbour entrance?

Colin

The movement around 1:20 looks incredibly fast for a ship of this size. It looks more like a small model bobbling around or that the video was speeded up.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 04, 2016, 10:58:08 am
The movement around 1:20 looks incredibly fast for a ship of this size. It looks more like a small model bobbling around or that the video was speeded up.

Yes, momentum does seem a little odd!
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 04, 2016, 11:22:26 am
I thought it was speeded up too but the motion of the tug looks tolerably realistic.

As Jarvo says, the main hull must be well battened down, maybe it is free water entering the car decks above which is causing the extra list?

Colin
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Tug Fanatic on February 04, 2016, 11:25:40 am
I would have thought that extra mass would slow the movement down.  I thought that the tug looked to be bobbling as well. Tugs are normally very well planted.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: dodes on February 05, 2016, 09:16:06 pm
Could be the same problem as the one in the Solent not so long ago and that was caused by incorrect ballasting. These boats rely on their ballast tanks, any problem there and over they go, there are no cargo hatches only the rear door, but as she was carrying general cargo perhaps some of it was not secured properly and she shot some to one side which would have the same effect, with these boats you do have to be a lot more particular about stability and cargo securing than the old break bulk cargo boats.
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Pioneer on February 05, 2016, 11:30:33 pm

Definitely speeded up..... The wind turbines in the background are turning nearly twice as fast as the previous shot they're seen in. <*<

Andrew
Title: Re: Another car carrier in trouble
Post by: Brian60 on February 06, 2016, 08:12:08 am
I've been into that harbour many times aboard BrittanyFerries Cap Finisterre, its not a big place! The part they actually moved it into is the turning basin for the ferry which moors to the harbourside under those gas tanks. The main port is further up river, so I guess they are keeping it away from the main shipping.