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Title: Italeri 1/12 Fiat Mefistofele
Post by: kpnuts on February 11, 2016, 06:38:56 pm

Hi all my alternative to the Soliel Royal
(http://i.imgur.com/4ccAdqt.jpg)



(http://i.imgur.com/142aet7.jpg)



(http://i.imgur.com/jkQ101C.jpg)



(http://i.imgur.com/fgYe0mx.jpg)



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(http://i.imgur.com/gdMRkhr.jpg)



(http://i.imgur.com/V6Vl9SR.jpg)
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: Stavros on February 11, 2016, 07:28:39 pm
can't wait for this one

Dave
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on February 11, 2016, 08:07:50 pm
It reminds me of  'The Beast of Turin'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsdWgmp4TaQ

Was it especially difficult to apply the leaf to grilles etc?

I cannot wait to see more.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on February 13, 2016, 06:19:39 pm

Hi all here is the next installment
(http://i.imgur.com/rQ75ra3.jpg)



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(http://i.imgur.com/Jf5MzY1.jpg)



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(http://i.imgur.com/NtrbnZ1.jpg)



(http://i.imgur.com/cT27ydI.jpg)
no difficulty with the grill but the carbs being brass and copper, let me tell you they nearly ended up being painted.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: Bob K on February 13, 2016, 06:46:18 pm
As usual, you are turning what started off as a 'kit' into an art form.  Beautiful work  :-))
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on February 13, 2016, 08:55:54 pm
Yes, lovely. You are getting first class results with the leaf to the point that it makes it little worth getting metalllic paint at all.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on February 13, 2016, 09:03:25 pm
My thinking is you can't get more real than the metal itself, the trouble is its harder than painting, especially on complex shapes and curves (polishing is a problem as well, since it's easy to wear through)
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on February 14, 2016, 02:58:16 pm
Ah, there are pros and cons for everything, but your point about the finish quality of real metal is a selling point.

Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on February 15, 2016, 07:22:35 pm

Hi all, well the friction dampers are definitely fiddely these took all last night (the legs/arms have round holes which are an interference fit on square pegs I was worried they might snap with the force required to push them on, so I drilled them out a bit, still a snug fit but safer[/size][/font][/color]
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Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on February 15, 2016, 09:11:43 pm
Already they look as old as the real vehicle! Subtle work Ken.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on February 21, 2016, 05:42:05 pm

Hi all I've read a lot about this car and from what I can gather the engine leaked oil like a sieve (in fact the driver was sitting in hot engine oil after every run ) so I've tried to depict a very oily engine.
(http://i.imgur.com/g6g1z26.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/jD6cAqc.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/zJjnKIU.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/D20DVPj.jpg)
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on February 21, 2016, 07:53:29 pm
I reckon you have recreated an oliy engine that chucks out enough dirt with the oil to be coloured but not enough to look like an old tractor. Great control of the weathering Ken. I can smell the hot hydrocarbons :-))
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: raflaunches on February 21, 2016, 08:08:47 pm
Looks beautiful, I wondered what was in the kit, you'll have to get the Airfix 1/12 Bentley to match! :-))
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on February 21, 2016, 08:14:17 pm
Done the Bentley (very nice kit)(if very over priced and very dated) none the less a very nice kit, and the only 1/12 4.5 litre Bentley out there.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on February 25, 2016, 08:08:46 pm

Hi all here's the next installment.
A lot of the kit supplied tubing is way out of scale, another modeler  is building this (to a much higher standard than I could hope to and they are using shrink wrap tubing to great effect) the following photo is of the kit supplied tubing and the tubing I intend to use (I think you can see there is quite a difference)
(http://i.imgur.com/8NAQIn8.jpg)



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(http://i.imgur.com/y2C4jyW.jpg)



(http://i.imgur.com/OcGPIyI.jpg)



(http://i.imgur.com/BPl9aku.jpg)
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on February 27, 2016, 03:38:46 pm
Hi all here is today's bit.
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Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on February 27, 2016, 08:50:15 pm
The metal leaf does allow the weathering to work so much more realistically. I like that engine very much.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on March 05, 2016, 05:44:47 pm

Hi all well as I'm doing this as she was for the record run I've primed her in black(she was painted red some time after she went into the museum, on the run she was black)
(http://i.imgur.com/Tx2hm2y.jpg)
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on March 05, 2016, 11:40:50 pm
She should look very cat like in her black livery. Keep it up, interesting project.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on March 11, 2016, 07:05:17 pm

Hi all well done a bit more on this, I was told by someone building this on another forum the chain is very difficult to do(you put it together in sections then melt the little pins to keep the chain together)
well as he did I melted the first link to the one underneath, so I had a rethink activexp (the other builder) tried a solering iron with adjustable heat setting and even on the lower setting had trouble with melting links so that method I ruled out, my solution which seemed to work quite well after a few minor changes (tried cold water but cooled the blade to quick)I put the chain assy in a shallow glass dish and put just enough hot water in till it is level with the top link then heat the knife blade up and melt the pin, I made the water as hot as I could bare to put my hand in (not boiling as was worried it might warp or melt the plastic)
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(http://i.imgur.com/epc6MdT.jpg)

this is just one set there are I think 4 more
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(http://i.imgur.com/mfhl7JY.jpg)



(http://i.imgur.com/SsYDa4I.jpg)
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on March 11, 2016, 08:44:48 pm
Fine work Ken. Chains are an attractive detail on a model and repay the effort made on them. I like your metal effects on the levers, hand worn shinminess rather than chrome shininess.

You have another top model in the offing :-))
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on March 19, 2016, 10:16:15 pm

Hi all thinking of giving up this modeling lark but will finish what I've started and the Rolls,tbh i just don't have the time and apart from the loyal few Ballastiankansian to name but one no one is really interested in what i'm doing, anyway here is where i'm at on this .


(http://i.imgur.com/MdaWrmE.jpg)



(http://i.imgur.com/LbFz2Xf.jpg)



(http://i.imgur.com/FCvnQAa.jpg)
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: Bob K on March 19, 2016, 10:23:00 pm
Please continue -  I always enjoy your build posts, especially the ships  :-))
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: essex2visuvesi on March 19, 2016, 11:21:02 pm
PLease don't stop!


Lots of inspirational stuff in you pages
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on March 20, 2016, 12:05:37 am
I know how you feel sometimes especially if there is the slightest hint of a deadline. Hobbies should not be about deadlines except where the enjoyment factor will be enhanced, say by finishing a model to take to ashow, or painting an army to use at a big game. otherwise, it feels like work for me.

Take a breather and take stock of what you have acheived and what you enjoy doing most, remember it is your hobby first.

I found it ironic that on posting my figure painting ont two forums, the wargames one got little interest at all, while you chaps posted some interesting comments! You cannot bet on how much comment you will get on a project.

Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: essex2visuvesi on March 20, 2016, 12:53:34 am
Just because people don't post a message, doesn't mean they're not watching and learning


You Citroen thread had over 13,000 views!
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: Capt Podge on March 20, 2016, 01:04:29 am
Ian and E2V have got the right of it - and, of course, a number of your particular techniques are adaptable to the model boat side of the hobby - keep it going. :-))

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: nivapilot on March 20, 2016, 07:07:50 am
Oh KPNuts, please do NOT underestimate the interest in your modelling skills and techniques.
I think your work is absolutely amazing and the tips I am getting out of it are brilliant, I would never have thought of some of the things you manage to do.
I read all of the postings...several times...but don't like to clutter up the postings with inane remarks all the time..

Please keep it up, I need your inspiration. :-))
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: Firefly on March 20, 2016, 08:59:52 am
I agree with the comments made previously. Whilst I don't often post comments. unless I feel that they will add something useful, I read threads such as yours with great interest. I was one of those that followed your Citreon build learning from your techniques along the way. Whilst it may seem that people are uninterested in your work that is clearly not the case.  Stick with it, you undoubtedly have a large band of quiet but loyal followers on Mayhem !!


Firefly.  :-))
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on March 20, 2016, 03:23:14 pm
Hi thanks all, it's time really, I used to do some every day now I'm struggling to get some done twice a week and I can only see it getting worse.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on March 20, 2016, 09:01:59 pm
I just re read that 13000 views you're kidding right, mind you a lot of that will have been people checking updates (of which there were, loads.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on April 02, 2016, 07:30:57 pm
Hi all well engine is done, I've put the body shell on just for fun (don't worry it won't be that shiny when finished, I'm going to rub vasline over it
http://i.imgur.com/we3bqRe.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MS0dLUF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ocNfyJe.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/L79h4Jq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TmAAn6S.jpg
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on April 03, 2016, 02:35:02 pm
I love that engine! The weathering is just right and I like the tarnishing on the brasswork.

The model is coming along great.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on April 13, 2016, 08:46:06 pm
Hi all well I was shown some photos of this on it world speed run by Dominic Beerts and as well as being black the rear of the car was higher and the 4 breather holes weren't there so I've raised the back by 10 mill now I just have to lower the skirt by 10 mill. Here are some pics, lots more to do.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/1zbgruq.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/97qnfn.jpg)
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on April 13, 2016, 09:14:11 pm
I hate making good curved corners. They desire to be out of shape or slightly dipped so I wish you luck finishing your panel beating Ken!

Looking forward to the next episode :-)
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on May 16, 2016, 09:11:48 pm
Hi all well back off hols with renewed energy, oh dear, there is something weird with the plastic on this kit, the paint I'm using I usually (on other models anyway) I can get off with meths, I didn't like the look of this so I thought I would remove it and start again, I started brushing it off using meths and it started melting the plastic?
(http://i66.tinypic.com/jq55i1.jpg)
I put some plastic from another kit in the meths along with a piece of sprue from this kit over night, as you can see the ItalarI sprue has dissolved completely

(http://i68.tinypic.com/287dlxt.jpg)
And the other sprue as you can see is completely untouched
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2eev9kk.jpg)
Don't know what to do now, if I sand it out I will loose the rivet detail, all I can think of is to do a what if and have it as a derelict in a barn now, any suggestions.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: Stavros on May 16, 2016, 10:32:03 pm
Get hold of some MODELSTRIP this is specially for plastic kits and is superb for getting paint off......I got  acouple of tubs here I THINK if you cant get hold of any


Dave
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: essex2visuvesi on May 16, 2016, 10:35:07 pm
Mr Muscle oven cleaner works well too


I use it regularly to strip chrome parts, as I don't like the look of the plated parts


Test a bit first tho just in case
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on May 17, 2016, 08:39:34 pm
Now that is worrying. I always knew that white spirit was harmful to plastic models as was Turpentine to acrylic paints (It crazed the paint on a tank model when I used it as a wash medium >>:-( ) but I thought Meths was not so corrosive.

There are not that many rivets by the look of things, so after all your efforts it should be worth sanding them off along with the icky paint and then replacing them with some home made ones. A company called Grandtline do a large range of rivets, bolts etc in plastic on little stalks if you don't fancy making them.

Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: craggle on May 18, 2016, 09:21:36 am
I too have never heard of plastic melting in Meths. Is there any clues or codes on the sprues as to what material it is? More modern kit have PS or some like moulded into them for recycling purposes.

Build looking good though and keep up with the updates, Even though people may not comment all the time they are still interested.  :-))

Craig.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on April 25, 2017, 08:39:24 pm

Hi all well now the big Citroen is done I've promised myself I will finish this to add another stalled build to the finished pile.
 I'm not sure why I put the engine in the chassis as it was not finished there is some pipework I hadn't added as you can see from this first pic
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2mpdg68.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/11tpl3m.jpg)

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I really like the wheels on this kit, although they are a bit too shiney.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2aalpg3.jpg)

I think they look better now.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/fdhlj7.jpg)
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on April 25, 2017, 10:07:14 pm
Those spokes are very fine, something that would worry me with an Italeri kit given its propensity to be brittle, so do go careful when assembling as repairing those would be a mare  :((

Nice and dusty them wheels.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: kpnuts on April 27, 2017, 07:45:05 pm

Hi all here's the next update the four breather holes in the hood were added after the speed run so I've filled them
(http://i68.tinypic.com/24lrgj7.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/oapv11.jpg)

The next problem I thought I might have was that the name mefistofeles is in black and with a black car obviously I would need to make a negative of it, however luckily enough the name was added after the run so it is not a problem after all.
The lettering was stark white so I've dulled it down a bit
(http://i66.tinypic.com/s62e1j.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/1zl86py.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2jc6jgp.jpg)

Need to do a bit more research apparently it may have had 2 seats in the record run.
Title: Re: Italari 1/12 Fiat Mefistofeles
Post by: ballastanksian on April 28, 2017, 08:42:56 pm
Given her age, she may well have needed an assitant driver, especially if the fuel supply/lubrication was not pumped.

Looking good Ken  :-)) Sometimes not having logos and text makes a model look more to the point and less distracting to the viewer.
Title: Re: Italeri 1/12 Fiat Mefistofele
Post by: kpnuts on April 30, 2017, 07:10:36 pm
Hi all there would have been quite a big update on this, I'm starting to wonder if there is somthing wrong with me, I dropped it (this must be a dozen I've dropped in the last year) thing is I don't know why I dropped it I was about to put a screw in and next thing I knew it was on the floor (fortunately not too much damage ) but some thin bits of plastic may need replacing with copper wire, I'm starting to worry maybe I've got dropsy or something.
Title: Re: Italeri 1/12 Fiat Mefistofele
Post by: kpnuts on May 01, 2017, 05:42:45 pm

Hi all well I've fixed it up a bit, here's the next update.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/9izamc.jpg)

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Title: Re: Italeri 1/12 Fiat Mefistofele
Post by: kpnuts on May 03, 2017, 07:49:09 pm

Hi all here's an update on this, I think the kit exhaust is toooo shiney,
(http://i66.tinypic.com/14dd3xx.jpg)

Sooo, mask up the exhaust straps
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2l8usua.jpg)

Spray with hairspray then sprinkle talcum powder on it
(http://i68.tinypic.com/axz8s9.jpg)

Respray with hairspray and then sprinkle on some salt
(http://i68.tinypic.com/21lqr2d.jpg)

I think it looks much more realistic now
(http://i68.tinypic.com/j6tojt.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/fv8ldf.jpg)
Title: Re: Italeri 1/12 Fiat Mefistofele
Post by: ballastanksian on May 03, 2017, 10:20:29 pm
Looking at some images of the real vehicle, you have got the look spot on right down to the colour and cast effect change from Manifold to exhaust proper.

You weathering effect Guru you  :-))

I drop things all the time as I cast pewter and I get smooth dry and shiney finger tips. This is very annoying and can sympathise with the incandescent rage you must get into when having to pick stuff up that should not have fallen out of your fingers  >>:-(

People say to moisturise, but then you get grease on your work that then either ruins the paint finish or stops glue from bonding properly.
Title: Re: Italeri 1/12 Fiat Mefistofele
Post by: Tug Fanatic on May 04, 2017, 10:00:08 am

If this is the model that I saw at Dortmund it is truly beautiful. You look to be doing at great job.
 
Title: Re: Italeri 1/12 Fiat Mefistofele
Post by: kpnuts on May 05, 2017, 06:27:35 pm
Hi all, well after CC's kind ref pics I've amended the exhaust to look more like the pics.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2dtd3pl.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/16j3l06.jpg)
Title: Re: Italeri 1/12 Fiat Mefistofele
Post by: ballastanksian on May 06, 2017, 08:10:18 pm
The heat protecting rope looks excellent Ken, she is an atttractive model.
Title: Re: Italeri 1/12 Fiat Mefistofele
Post by: kpnuts on June 08, 2017, 07:49:09 pm

Hi all well the world record version had two seats so the co driver could use the pump to increase the fuel/air mix.   Here is my first attempt at the extra seat.

(https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2017/06/08/IMG_20170608_26886443435634.jpg)
As you can plainly see it's rubbish, this was made with das modelling clay and I tried a few times with this (including trying to make a mould of the original but none were any good so I tried a different approach, i heated some 2 mil plastic and wrapped it round the seat, let that cool then heated some more and pushed inside that which (although not an exact copy gave me the shape of the seat) I then sanded and cut the sides to suit.So here is the next version(https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2017/06/08/IMG_20170608_348381225495928.jpg)(https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2017/06/08/IMG_20170608_485461737064768.jpg)And here they are installed, just a few more bits to do now.(https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2017/06/08/IMG_20170608_59317716954284.jpg)(https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2017/06/08/IMG_20170608_4771436022199.jpg)(https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2017/06/08/IMG_20170608_9742637865520.jpg)[/size][/font]
Title: Re: Italeri 1/12 Fiat Mefistofele
Post by: ballastanksian on June 08, 2017, 07:52:07 pm
She is gorgeous ken. I bet there was some torque from that engine!
Title: Re: Italeri 1/12 Fiat Mefistofele
Post by: kpnuts on June 15, 2017, 07:33:37 pm
Hi all well it's finally finished (I seem to have very little time to model or even check out the forums lately, life is so hectic)
Anyway for those that didn't follow the build this is not the red version in the museum it's the Ernest Eldridge world record run version, the tail had to be raised and the skirt lowered also an extra seat for the co-driver had to be added all else is out of the box, I've seen some amazing builds of this kit where an amazing amount of detail has been added, I'm no where near as patient as that or talented so here is my version of this amazing kit. It truly is an amazing kit, I have plans for another one but it will be totally radical and nothing like the actual car, anyway that's in the future. Here are the pics.(http://i67.tinypic.com/2h87fqh.jpg)(http://i67.tinypic.com/152nyts.jpg)(http://i68.tinypic.com/24vn1qq.jpg)(http://i67.tinypic.com/10omgih.jpg)(http://i68.tinypic.com/ap9sgx.jpg)(http://i66.tinypic.com/1zq55wo.jpg)(http://i65.tinypic.com/rjr2a9.jpg)(http://i68.tinypic.com/34fe9v5.jpg)(http://i67.tinypic.com/qx2bt3.jpg)(http://i65.tinypic.com/302a1di.jpg)(http://i63.tinypic.com/xqi839.jpg)I think I'm going to concentrait on finishing some of the models I've started to clear the bench for October's ducati(the missus surprised me further saying I could also get the upgrade kits taking the cost of it to nearly 700 quid)[/size][/font]
Title: Re: Italeri 1/12 Fiat Mefistofele
Post by: ballastanksian on June 15, 2017, 07:53:51 pm
That is so realistic Ken. I reckon it is your best model, even taking the brilliant paint jobs of one or two of your other models into account.