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Title: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 29, 2016, 11:45:48 PM
Well, went to Dungeness last Friday to meet up with Andy Griggs and Debbie for a photo shoot, which we did [in the bitter cold] and 17-09 accompanied me. After that I had hoped to go on board and photograph all the Port side wheelhouse and deck detail so I can finish off my DVD of photos - already up to 1,500 shots - for modellers. Then measure all the bolts, washers and rail thicknesses to make a facts sheet for those building in either 1/16th or 1/12th. Unfortunately, it was the day of the Supercat's launch trailer annual service - so not possible, the job must come first! I will make another visit in a couple of weeks. Slightly disappointed we went back to our vehicles, where Andy presented me with the second model out of the moulds [hull, deck, wheelhouse and fendering in the soft set resin] for my help with photographs and certain close-up measurements which do not translate well from the plans. You could have knocked me over with a feather! Not expected, but thoroughly appreciated. He did say that when it goes on sale at Ellesmere this coming weekend it will be in white gel coat - he has done mine in blue and orange so that it looks like the real boat and not spend its life in GREY! So now I must make a start [alongside my Trent, Arun, Solent, Mersey, Atlantic '21] and make room for it in my workshop. I have started by writing a build schedule - do not hold your breath waiting for build pictures in the next month or so - the little 1/72nd Airfix Severn has to be finished first and also start a post on these hallowed pages the Trent Build too. However, I thought I would post a couple of my photos, just to start the process off. This is going to be a different build in many ways and processes from the others that I have started.
Just to say thanks to all those that have ordered and bought the various DVDs of lifeboat classes over the past few weeks. All the money paid goes to the RNLI and Dungeness have had just over 200 in the past month and Dover 100.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: john44 on March 01, 2016, 09:39:23 AM
The model looks superb and I am not in the least bit jealous or envious I have always been green  {-) <:(
Looking forward to seeing it at ellesmere on Saturday

Will Andy be doing a fittings kit for it or are macs mouldings doing one for him?


John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on March 01, 2016, 10:41:49 AM
That does look rather nice. Like John I am not in least bit envious  :embarrassed:
Well done on the RNLI gifts, do you have a web address for buying your CD's.
Colin
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 01, 2016, 11:09:14 PM
John and Colin,
I did chuckle when I read both of your comments regarding 'green' - I needed a little uplift in what has been a 'pain of a day' regarding the alarm system on my Volvo T5 V70 - I now have a courtesy VW nine seater Transporter sitting on the drive - what space that has in the back, enough for my whole collection of 1/12th lifeboats!!!
Regarding your questions of fixtures and fittings John, best ask Andy on Saturday in Ellesmere.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mrzippy on March 02, 2016, 12:28:35 PM
Hi Kim,
Another great model from Andy! - THE boat many modellers are itching to build.
Unfortunately I cannot go to the Ellesmere show this year and will miss seeing the Shannon in the flesh.
I am intrigued to know what the 'soft set resin' fendering is please? had assumed it was a D shaped rubber
moulding that needs glueing in place etc, have we a nicer option available??
regards Paul
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on March 03, 2016, 09:22:05 AM
Hi Kim,
The Shannon certainly seems to have gathered a lot of enthusiasm from Lifeboat Modelers, me included! Like lots of people i'm sure, i will following your build with interest.
Charlie
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 04, 2016, 01:45:19 AM
Colin, regarding the DVDs and CDs of still photos, these are for the Severn, Trent, Mersey, Tamar, Solent and Shannon, although the Shannon one awaits the final shots for the deck and wheelhouse detail on the Port side [these would be sent on later at no extra cost]. These could not be taken last week as the boat was outside the wheelhouse and a launch trailer annual service was being undertaken.
The Severn ones cost 7.50 [there are two and over 2,000 shots], the others are 5 each - all the money goes to the RNLI stations that have allowed me to crawl all over their boats for hours [sometimes days!], and they appreciate this local income. Over 300 so far this year to Dungeness and Dover, more on its way to Newhaven and Brighton. Send me a PM and I'll then burn the photos off and send them to your address - I bear all the costs for postage and packing.
Paul, you were asking about the fendering material. I've taken a few photos and attached. The material is [I hope I have got this right] a soft set flexible polyurethane resin [looks and feels like a black rubber] which will do the job well. It will be glued on and there are two, one for each side. The front edges will need cutting off to length. Andy has told me that the material sands well, and it does! I have used a fine Permagrit metal backed tool and it does the job without tearing, also a 220 grit grade Oakey flexible foam wet and dry square and this too does the job. I have cut into a spare section Andy gave me then sanded it down, you can see the results. I have also treated the smoothed down section with Autoglym rubber and bumper care solution - all remained in tact and no colouring or deposit came off the 'rubber'. You can also see the profile. Andy produces it with a 'stipple' surface - not sure whether I will keep this or smooth it all off - a few more experiments first. I hope this helps. Andy has got the side profile correct at the stern and sides going forwards, where towards the end it loses the flat middle section and goes to a fully rounded profile. This can be seen on my photos of the actual boats and also on the RNLI plans. You can see my untrimmed fenders and the reverse with its gap.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mrzippy on March 04, 2016, 09:18:45 AM
Hi Kim,
Thank you for the concise reply and photos they explain how the rubber fendering is produced perfectly,
and what a great new development it is, very well done Mr Griggs !
a great solution to an age old problem in the life boat modelling world.
regards Paul
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mark w on March 10, 2016, 11:49:30 PM
What a cool new model  :-)) . Can't wait to see a build log of one.


Mark
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 30, 2016, 12:47:28 AM
Met up with Andy and 17-09 again at Ramsgate this morning regarding a much, much larger boat project and got to look at Andy's actual Shannon build with its water jets and motors in place and the bilge keels on. Impressive. Also saw a number of prototype parts, a few of which I now have for my build, which will soon be going into production. Hope to have some shots of Andy's boat in action on the water in the not too distant future [in fact I have shots of it on the water, but that was just to see where she sat when the fendering, deck and wheelhouse were in place - plenty to spare!
I've just ordered my jet drives, so with the research I've already done [and am still doing] I hope to start my build, very slowly, once they arrive.
I was also down at Dungeness the week before last and have now completed the Port side photographs for my DVD of shots for modellers - some 2,000 in all I hope, but am still editing them. This should be ready by the end of next week at 7.50, ALL of which goes to the RNLI, I bear the cost of case, postage and packing.
Once the sun starts to shine a little more and the temperature starts to rise, out into the garden to prepare the hull, deck and wheelhouse for the arrival of those jet drives! With the grass [back and front] already having been given their first cuts, I will have a clear conscience!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: morley bill 1 on March 30, 2016, 09:53:15 AM
Looking good looking for ward to a full build  Bill..
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on March 30, 2016, 01:44:01 PM
Hi Kim
Watching with interest  :-))


Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on March 30, 2016, 02:05:55 PM
That is one very nice model. Looking forward to following your build Kim,
colin
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 30, 2016, 03:13:23 PM
Where have the past two months gone??!! Having been to Intermodellbau Show in Dortmund, written up my article for MMI, then prepared a PowerPoint illustrated presentation of 'The Launch and Recovery of the Shannon Class Lifeboat at Dungeness', travelled to the West Midlands and delivered two talks for the RNLI and also attended two model lifeboat rallies, returned and written another three articles for MMI, done the gardening and off to the Beale Park Model Boat Show for the past two days [and a wonderful show - really went well, even the weather!!], have just arrived home - with my upgrade Models by Design Shannon lifeboat bits, now that Andy has made the window kit and a new wheelhouse to accept them. Added to which he has been doing a lot of work on the fendering, moving to separate sections and back to a starboard length and a port side length. Also he has made some hatch covers and other bits to get the modeller started. Here are my photos - you get all of this for 290 - a real bargain!! He is, however, still developing the reversing buckets along the lines of what you see here, but that will come as another small accessory pack to purchase, should you be using the same water-jet system that we are. I have seen the amount of time and effort that has gone into this Project over the past five or so years, and especially the last few months and can say that it is paying off - judge for yourselves.
The weather here in Kent is not great today, so hopefully I will be able to photograph my actual kit items in the next few days and post them here, as received. Then I will photograph and post on this 'thread' my water-jets, motors and ESCs. Those waiting will then see a very slow build start, preparing the above items and detailing my plans for my way forward. However, I also have to get ready for another Show this weekend - the Care Ashore [Alfold] Charity Model Boat Event at their H.Q in Surrey, where I plan to have my Shannon kit with me on display at my Lifeboat Enthusiasts' Society gazebo display. See you there, it is a great little family weekend event, with plenty of activity on the water, look it up on their website. The local Guides do a mean 'bacon buttie' in their marquee!!
I will post a few of the 'trees' that contain the window set and hatch covers after this, just so you see what we get.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 30, 2016, 03:32:27 PM
Well, I trust you are as impressed as I am and awaiting to get started on my 'semi-scratch' build kit. Here are a most of the 'trees' that the windows kit and hatch covers come on, plus the two 'rubber' fenders. There are also two bilge keels and a stern towing bollard, but more of this when I photograph my actual items. Note too that the model now has a new deck to accommodate these parts. If you wish to make your own windows the original wheelhouse can still be purchased. What a bargain - at this price you can even charge it to 'house-keeping'!!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mark w on May 31, 2016, 03:04:01 PM
Looks great  :-)) .


Mark
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on May 31, 2016, 03:07:16 PM
Very nice wonder where the wife hid my bank card >:-o
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: colin-stevens on June 03, 2016, 07:35:07 PM
What jet drives are you using?, forgive me if I missed that comment.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 15, 2016, 10:58:20 PM
Well, at last have had a bit of spare time when it has not been raining!! So have photographed what I have now got from Models by Design as my semi-scratch build kit. The hull, the improved deck and the wheelhouse that accepts the MbD window frames and glazed inserts. Also the various 'trees' that now come in the original price of 290 for all of this. Hopefully I will now start to 'fiddle and fettle' these parts to go along with the plans and photos I have of the Dungeness lifeboat -RNLB The Morrell. When building one of these [and quite a few have already been sold] do make sure [if you are a self-confessed rivet counter, like me] that you have the correct details from your research, as there are a few differences and you will see a few very small amendments as I progress. That said a couple who I know that have bought the same have said 'I'm not worried, I just want it to look like the Shannon lifeboat!' - point made - we all have our own approach to our builds.
Andy has made me a special set of 'rubber' fenders in the ten different sections for the Port and Starboard sides - he will only be making them in two lengths for the kit, one for the Port and one for the Starboard.
Due to the number of photos they will come in this Post and the following one. Then after that I will Post my water-jets and Escs, which I have also now photographed.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 15, 2016, 11:25:24 PM
Those that are 'eagle eyed' will have seen that the deck comes 'oversized' for the modeller to cut to the scribbed lines in the moulding. Having been with 17-09 today and seen the progress on his 1/12th Severn Class, I took my Shannon and a discussion ensued regarding the deck camber [or fall-off] along the sides of the wheelhouse. Watch for this in my forthcoming build. I will be screwing this [the deck] to the hull, initially, to allow access inside the hull during the build. It will be permanently fixed towards the end of the build.
Also note that the wheelhouse is as it comes [straight from the mould], hence it is 'high' and will need to be cut down, but not before the deck is attached and I have a few more measurements off the Dungeness boat - there are a few idiosyncrasies I have noticed and the RNLI plans do say 'Do not scale', so beware. I will be covering my approach in the build photos. Also the first production boat 13-01 has some little differences that the succeeding boats did not have - ask Mk1, he has scratch built two beautiful Shannons and has had my Shannon DVD and knows!!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on June 16, 2016, 01:36:25 PM
Very nice, makes mouth water to see some good moulding  :-))
Looking forward to your build Kim and shall take notes.
Colin
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 16, 2016, 04:31:26 PM
Feeling good, the sun's out and England have just won their match against Wales in Euro 2016!! I bet 17-09 was there watching every second or was he in the workshop with his Severn Class lifeboat 're-furb'?
Here are the 'goodies' for my Shannon that have arrived from Germany and  Hong Kong a couple of months back:
Off for some music practice now - singing in Canterbury Cathedral this Saturday evening - Verdi Requiem with Canterbury Choral Society and the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - now that's even better than building model boats!!!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on June 17, 2016, 11:30:48 AM
Yes Kim,
 I was in the workshop watching the paint dry..ahhhh!
 You cannot be serious, Nothing is better than building model boats.
 The Shannon is growing on me but the Severn is better!!!
17-09

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 23, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
After a busy week last week [and a full rest-up after Saturday night's concert - full Cathedral with 1,000+ audience and a standing ovation - there just is NOTHING quite like it], back to my 'second love' and model boat building.
The weather was better, so got out into the garden and spent a couple of hours trimming the inner edge to the Shannon hull, flattening the top surface, ready for the deck 'temporary' fitting and also levelled off the bottom edge to the keel. I used a Proxxon belt finger sander and their delta orbital sander, having first scribbed a line around the edge to work to. For the keel I used a Perma-grit block sander and a piece of square extruded aluminium [which was true, when put onto the kitchen worktop!]. This has now left the bottom edge a little thin in a couple of places, so tomorrow I will lay-up an inside layer of glass-fibre tape and resin this into place along the keel. I will also hope to make the two 'stringers' across the width of the hull to give a little slope to the deck either side of the wheelhouse. This all takes time, but needs to be done so that work can progress on the deck and then wheelhouse fitting.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on June 23, 2016, 08:58:34 AM
Hi Kim
Thats a good start keep up the good work.


Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on June 23, 2016, 02:20:25 PM
looking good  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 23, 2016, 02:40:53 PM
Thanks Colin,
I have to just try and remember to do a little every few days, not always easy, but the next few days looks quiet in the diary - tempting fate there!!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on June 24, 2016, 11:34:52 AM
At least you have started and making progress, I still can not see my bench yet !!!!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 24, 2016, 04:36:40 PM
Good to hear from Derek [ :-)) ] and Colin, same here mate - my workshop is SO untidy! That's why I'm working in the garden!
Now before I move on, and just in case there are some new to our hobby watching here, a few words about plans.
I have three different sources for my Shannon lifeboat. Those bought from the RNLI at 1/25th scale [mainly] another set enlarged to 1/12th scale [ or so I am told] and a third set, donated to me, but no provenance and around the 1/12th.
Be sure to check the plans and the model sizes BEFORE progressing on to anything - especially cutting and modifying!!
An example. I have the Models by Design hull with a length of 43 and 11/16 of an inch. Fact. Depending on whether you multiply or divide the RNLI plans in your calculations by either 13.6 or 13.64 you will get slight variations in length. If you have surmised that the boat is a 13 metre class and used that figure [it has been known!] then you are going to be way out. Now I have a set of plans [one of those already enlarged] which is virtually [give or take a couple of milimetres] that comes up to the actual length of the MbD hull length and width, and that is the set I will use. In the past I have actually had plans blown up to exactly what the model hull is, so it is actually either a smidge over or under the actual 1/12th scale. THis way when measuring to make items they are the actual measurements to use. The models won't be going in for any competitions, so this won't lose me points.
Also look for little notes on plans that say '...overall length...overall width.... measurements, NOT including fixed fenders...' as this too will cause another problem, if using a stated measurement incorrectly. Finally, when measuring onto the model and making markings, work from the middle of the boat [normally Station 5 on a lifeboat] outwards to both bow and stern. That way an small inaccuracy is not compounded into the middle! If you do have to make 'allowances' and play about with wheelhouse measurements, fixtures and fittings, then any decision made about those matters above, mark onto you drawings. You will not remember in ten years time [when you pick up this much treasured project again] what you did 'X' years ago!!
I hope that has helped some and not bored others that are a lot more experienced than me; but that is what this Forum is all about, passing on lessons learnt, so others can enjoy it and not make the same mistakes - hopefully!
Talking of mistakes I masked up and put the glass-fibre tape and resin into the keel yesterday - and even though I used the right amount of catalyst hardener, it would not 'go off' - harden. So today I took it all out, then masked off the inside and started again. Having just checked it appears to now be hardening, using three times the amount indicated and used by me before. Maybe I have gone past the 'sell by date'?
Note that yesterday I put the cut section of tape into the hull, ready to lay-up, just in case the resin went off quickly!! Ho,Ho!
Also, please remember that this was 'self-inflicted' damage and not down to the moulding received from MbD. I am a member of the ERCU [Elite Rivet Counters' Union] and was just trying to get it to my liking!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on June 24, 2016, 11:49:39 PM
Kim if it was very humid that could have been the problem with the resin going off I have had this before.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 25, 2016, 12:48:08 AM
Good point Colin, not one I have come across before, so thanks for the 'experience' input.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 30, 2016, 04:30:13 PM
Well, the resin and glass-fibre taping took a little more time than I envisaged and I put another length down the starboard side - no photos as we all know what I've done before. It still took a long time to start going off, and is still tacky, so maybe I'll replace the resin and hardener when I'm next in town. However, Colin's comment above was worth bearing in mind for future attempts.
Yesterday I spent a lot of time going over the plans I have acquired and found and decided to go with two sets that are exactly the length and width of the hull that Andy has supplied and those for the wheelhouse show it [the model] to be an eight of an inch too long. Also, one of the hatches looks slightly long, but I'll cover that when I finally get the wheelhouse cut to length and sitting on the deck correctly - it's all down to how much this will reduce the length of the wheelhouse at the deck level. You really cannot hurry at this point as it will impact on anything done in the future. I also used a pencil to mark the bow and stern markings to start the 'tayloring' of the deck to the hull along its centre line.
Today I started to look at putting in three 'stretchers' made of aluminum to keep both the width [beam] measurement a constant thirteen and a half inches along its main length. They are also meant to put in and keep a constant camber either side of the wheelhouse and at the bow and stern areas of deck. From the plans and boat this appears to be around 3" [a quarter of an inch at 1/12th scale] at its maximum, tapering off at bow and stern.
I cut the 'T' section 'ali' to length, cut off ends to go under the deck returns in the hull and then drilled those returns at the stern deck area to take M2 countersunk stainless bolts, marked these onto the stretcher and tapped an M2 thread either end. Temporary fitting made and then drew onto it the profile wanted. Removed it and using my linisher, and a bucket of water to cool the 'ali' off, I profiled it. Finished off edges using a Perma-Grit block and some wet and dry paper on a small teak wood block.
It looked as though a little more is needed to be 'rounded off' at the angled surface, so as not to give a small high point. At this moment it started to rain - why? So I quickly marked up the stern area to give me the centre line so I could start a temporary fixing of the deck over the first stretcher. There will be another across the middle of the hull opening [which will have support posts inserted and the middle section cut out, finally] and another just forward of the wheelhouse nose.
I then came indoors and decided to catch up on this. Might get back out later, if not, tomorrow I will attempt to get the other two stretchers made and fitted, then marry the deck to the hull. It's now sunny, but throwing it down with rain, so have picked some strawberries and come in to watch the tennis!!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on July 01, 2016, 12:08:41 PM
Kim does the deck have a proper camber or is it a straight line by that I mean an angle from the deck edge until it hits the centre line.
If it has a proper camber it is not too difficult to loft. (hope I am not teaching you to suck eggs)  ok2


peace colin
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 01, 2016, 12:49:08 PM
Colin,
From the RNLI plans [little that they show in cross section on these Shannon ones!] and my photos and visits it seems to be a straight line from the deck edge to the edge of the wheelhouse. Then the forward deck takes a very gentle curve near the wheelhouse nose [just visible in one of my head on shots] and likewise the stern deck, although this is also picked up in the gentle curve on the transom deck line at the very edge. I will just try and get all of these to blend and go with that, better than having a flat deck at the bow [and partial stern] and along the sides of the wheelhouse. That said, it is gentle at both the bow and stern when looking at the fittings plates and access hatches.
On my next visit, hopefully next week, I shall take further measurements and photos [along with the water intake apertures and the trailer pneumatic wheel-rest bulges on the hull], then if any small adjustment is needed I can make them on the [temporary fixing] method I am using here.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on July 01, 2016, 03:31:49 PM
Cool Kim was just wondering  :-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 01, 2016, 11:58:02 PM
Today was the dodge the showers game - but I stuck at it and some small progress was finally made.
Every time I handle this superb moulding of the hull I get quite excited. The feel and lines of her at 1/12th scale are just wonderful. As I have said before the moulding is light, yet quite rigid and sturdy, even more so, now that all three stretchers are made and temporarily screw fixed into place. This has allowed me to again temporarily fix the deck fore and aft and then trim the edge down to almost the right size. This has given a slight camber in the right places, but this will be more positive next week when I get time to fix it all around the edge. I will then make some small adjustments so no 'stress' points are evident to the sight and to the touch.
Off to RNLI Newhaven tomorrow, along with 17-09, to support their Open Day with an LBES three table display of models and lifeboat paraphenalia - the Shannon will be displayed on one table with my photographic display of the real one at Dungeness, should get quite a bit of attention.
Slowly, but surely the build progresses. These stretchers certainly [well just the first one did on its own!] keep the hull edge from flexing down its length and one can easily pick it, up with confidence, by the middle one. They are spaced from the stern edge at ten and a half inches, then 12" further forward [each being 13 and a half inches wide] and then the final one on the fore deck another 12 inches forward.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 02, 2016, 11:42:06 PM
A great day at the Newhaven RNLI Open Day today with 17-09. Much interest shown in our stand, Alan's fabulously finished and detailed models [Brede Class, 'Y' Class RIB and  the 1/72nd Airfix Severn Class, the 41' Beach Class from Dungeness in 1933 built by John Sanders and, of course, the Models by Design 1/12th Shannon and my photographic display. This was by crew, visitors and modellers alike.
One of the crew [James aka Doris] has sent me some shots of the Dungeness Shannon [13-02] returning to Newhaven during the week, where an exchange was made with the Relief boat RNLB Reg [13-07]. I shall now attempt to get to Dungeness Monday as their boat has returned from its maintenance - hence the Relief boat - and I can take some more measurements.
Although there were many RNLI collecting boxes out on the Green, where the Fete was held, and also at the Station [including the shop] Alan and I still collected 29-94.
The 'eagle eyed' amongst you, that know your lifeboats, will have noticed that the recently returned Newhaven lifeboat [from having its new MTU engines fitted] has been given a facelift in the guise of new handrails, door and hatch surrounds, steps, salvage pump, telecomms tower and flying bridge window supports in a galvanised finish rather than the normal colour painted sufaces - all in the name of saving money on future maintenance. Now there's a different finish for someone to put on there model - eh Craggles?
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 04, 2016, 11:42:17 AM
I've just been speaking to the Coxswain [Stuart Adams] of the Dungeness Shannon Class lifeboat, now that she is back on Station. The de-lamination that everyone has been speaking about is nothing to do with the main hull and its construction or integrity - this is fine - it was the bow PU [Polyurethane] sheet coating - lighter grey colour in the photo - that protects the bow bottom section of the hull. This has been rectified, HOWEVER, the RNLB 'The Morrell' 13-02 has now returned with a 'black bottom' [17-09, for black please read 'anthracite'] and this is going to be on all the Shannon fleet now! So some of you will have a choice of finishes on you model, before and after. A real rivet counters' dream! Now why did I not spot that on the preceding photos I posted? Now I know, I can see it quite plainly!
I will be visiting again [just made an appointment as it is a busy week for Dungeness] to photograph and get some more measurements for my model which are not that clear on the RNLI plans, but the Relief Shannon 13-04 was there in January and this is what it looks like.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: craggle on July 04, 2016, 02:06:53 PM
Hi Kim

Looks like you had a good day at Newhaven, Really disappointed I couldn't make it but will keep the date free next year if you go again.
I saw the picture of the two Shannons on the Newhaven Lifeboat Facebook page last week. Shame I didn't know it was going to happen otherwise I'd have popped down there and taken a look, well, would have if I wasn't holidaying in sunny Kent. Visited lots of boats while there, Dover, Walmer, Ramsgate, Margate and Whitstable. Bought a few more fridge magnets for the collection!  :embarrassed:

Yes, I will be building my Severn to represent the latest and greatest incarnation of 17-21 so she will indeed have the galvanised colour fittings. Need to think about what paint to use for that now.

Craig.

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 10, 2016, 07:01:52 PM
As 13-02 was back on station with her new 'below waterline' paint job, thought I had better get down there and take some more photos for the record and also get some measurements before cutting the wheelhouse to fit, as some of the plans I have have conflicting angles and measurements for the deck camber from wheelhouse bottom to edge of deck. I also wanted to get underneath for some photos and measurements of the main water-jet intakes and the hull protection 'bulge' on either side of the underside at the stern. These will all need to be either fabricated, cut out or added to the MbD hull, alongside that provided by the KMB water-jets.
I also took down with me an amount of 137.50, made up from cheques for a talk fee [100] I give on the 'launch and recovery' of this lifeboat and the various sums that some of you have donated of the past few weeks for the purchase of my DVD of photos [over 1,200 now] for the Shannon Class - so thank you very much, this is now over 500 for this year and this Station and is very much appreciated by the team down at Dungeness.
The day went well and a fruitful three hours was spent doing what I set out to do. Also Stuart [Coxswain] and Trevor [Engineer] gave me time to answer more questions and open up flaps and covers that I did not know what they were there for or covering!
All of this was then meant to give me ample time and confidence to get on with four days modelling, culminating with watching the Euro2016 final tonight. Oh, how wrong I was!! The last four days have been spent flat on my back, most of the time, since late Wednesday night when I seemed to have trapped a nerve in my back - excruciating pain that not even my most powerful 'painkillers' have even touched. Off to the doctors' tomorrow. So I thought I would add a few notes of details I have picked up and pass them on for those that are making a Shannon model or just plain interested.
You will see from the photos that 13-04 above differs from 13-02 in that she no longer has the PU [Polyurethane] contoured 'patch' that 13-01 and 13-04 had. I am told this is what all Shannons will eventually have. Then the following I gleaned from my walk around:
These new 130 photos will be added to the DVD in future. If any of the previous folk [DVD purchasers] want a CD with them on - just drop me a PM and I'll get them off to you asap - free.

I hope this might be of some use to folk as I sit here feeling sorry for myself. Cheers.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on July 11, 2016, 12:31:07 AM
Nice photos again Kim keep them coming. As a update on later Shannons they changed the style of the rear door hinges which can be seen in one of your photos and they have also done away with the rivets on the rear hatch and the front hatch as well [photos enclosed]

Mk1
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 11, 2016, 04:34:17 PM
Nicely spotted Mk1 - an eagle-eyed Mayhemer! The 'rivets' are in fact dome headed flat bladed screws, with the different marking out of the anti-slip marking. Just goes to show that you need to 'know' your boat if you want to make a very good representation of her or one for your favourite RNLI Station's vessel. A bit like yourself, as the trend setter that you are - it was you that kicked this all off and totally scratch built 'to boot', not just one, but TWO! I must say that last set of photos of yours were wonderful and a real inspiration to the rest of us. Keep them coming and also anything else you notice that is different. Maybe one day we'll meet - don't forget the International Model Boat Show at the Warwick Exhibition Centre just outside Leamington Spa in November. I would gladly give up my area of display on the LBES stand for one of your Shannons to be there [should we be tight for space] for the public to see!! Please give it serious thought.
Might add a few more photos of my latest visit tonight, but in the meantime I will burn off a CD of the latest ones and pop it in the post later in the week - just for your interest and veiwing.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on July 11, 2016, 11:13:00 PM
Thanks Kim for got to say the front hatch also have hinge changes [enclosed photo]

Mk1
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: tazie on July 21, 2016, 09:30:18 PM
Looking really nice, Hope to see it soon, Mr B
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 30, 2016, 12:10:46 AM
Well, four days turned into three weeks and I have not been able to lift or stand for very long, because of the trapped nerve [even when taking the 'happy pills]. So the model build had to go on hold.
Yesterday I felt a little better so ventured into the outside workshop [garden] and progressed with shaping the deck to the hull profile. Here are some pointers for those that are following this and have also got the MbD model and have not yet started [of which I know there are quite a few from the Personal Messages -PMs - I have had, and those that I have met at recent shows]. However, I do realise [and so do you] tht very quickly you are going to overtake me and not use the same processes that I am employing.
All in all a good day's work; at times it felt slow, but when I tried to speed up a few mistakes were nearly made on the sanding process. I'll attempt to have another go tomorrow and mark up the screw holes down each side, but more of that later.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 30, 2016, 12:23:54 AM
The one thing I forgot to say was that to my eye it now looked as if my centre line was not properly drawn on in a couple of places, so I cleaned the lines off and remarked using my special ruler for this and it also allowed me to check the deck lines and hatch indentations against the plans. What is now on in the photos I am satisfied with to progress further. My mistake was I had gone off line in the middle of the deck by not using a long enough straight edge, it was only a few millimetres, but when later measurements are made and deck fittings are marked out it will show up!
All of this takes time, but needs to be in place if the bottom edge of the wheelhouse is going to be cut and fitted accurately and squarely where it should be - especially those jolly old deck cambers along the side of the wheelhouse and up onto the fore [peak] deck.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 30, 2016, 10:35:27 PM
I just cannot believe it, a third consecutive day in the 'outdoor' workshop!! That's not happened in the last five years!!
I've marked all the screw positions now around the deck edge:-
Well, that was it for today as I then had to charge batteries, look my 1/8th scale divers' boat 'Diving Belle' over and get ready for one of my Club's [Cygnets MBC] Open Regattas tomorrow at Mote Park, Maidstone - 'Boats on the Mote'. If you are in the vicinity or want a day out come over. MBA-Dover will be there with a large display across three gazebos, the Hosts always have plenty, normally with IC fast off-shores and Heron MBC and Tugs-R-Us normally come. It's a great park with Cafe, toilets, a very large lake, steam trains and very pleasant surroundings. I'll probably take the Shannon along as part of my display and to make a talking point with modellers and public alike - there will be hundreds of visitors. Ignore the Cygnets MBC website that says 'no event on' for 31st July - we'll be there and so should they!!

Monday might see me marking and cutting out the aperture for the hull access on the deck section - depends on the weather.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 03, 2016, 10:57:33 AM
With deck in place [temporarily] it has shown I am still out, by only a very little on the stern stretcher. This just needs to have the tops of the angled slopes just lowered by around 1mm [I can just feel them and then when I look at that point the 'rise' can just be seen]. As the means taking the deck off [unscrew] I decided yesterday to push on with cutting out the hull access aperture in the deck while it was still in place.
With that job done I will take off the deck, adjust that stern stretcher, re-check and if OK look at marking out the wheelhouse base line, where it meets the deck and then trim off to this line so she sits on the deck accurately. That will be done [weather permitting] over the next couple of days.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 03, 2016, 11:59:55 PM
Thanks to those that have sent the odd PM to say that the 'thread' makes for interesting reading. The reason I do this is so that anyone that might be building this Shannon model [maybe even their first model] can have some idea of the way I am approaching it [rightly or wrongly by others' views]. It has the potential to promote views of other approaches and processes I have not thought of, thereby giving other modellers a choice. It's also there for those that are past building models, but enjoy seeing others' builds or even those that might want to build a modern day lifeboat. It is to cover a spectrum of readers. So I hope the detail helps, even if the odd person might think it somewhat loquacious or over detailed.
Three things I just want to mention, that I have omitted over the last couple of 'posts'.
Hope this has helped someone. Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 04, 2016, 12:05:20 AM
Oops - the bolts label shows that there are 50 in the pack at a cost of 4 Euros.
Does anyone know how I can enter symbols [Euros, pounds sterling, copyright and fractions] on these Posts?
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on August 04, 2016, 12:19:22 AM
Hullo Kim......you could create the text in Microsoft Word with the needed [Euros, pounds sterling, copyright] and fractions then copy & paste back to a page here on MBM

In Word go to HELP & ask for inserting symbols.....you get the following...


Insert a symbol or special character

You can use the Symbol dialog box to insert symbols, such as and , or special characters, such as an em dash () or ellipsis () that are not on your keyboard, as well as Unicode characters.

The types of symbols and characters that you can insert depend on the font that you choose. For example, some fonts may include fractions (), international characters (, ), and international monetary symbols (, ). The built-in Symbol font includes arrows, bullets, and scientific symbols. You might also have additional symbol fonts, such as Wingdings, that include decorative symbols.

Note: You can increase or decrease the size of the Symbol dialog box. Move the pointer to the lower-right corner of the dialog box until it changes into a double-headed arrow, and then drag to the size that you want.




It's also a good idea for any long posting as nothing more frustrating than typing for 5 minutes here, the go to post & get a page expired error message  >>:-(

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 04, 2016, 01:30:18 AM
Many thanks Derek,
You have given me something to try - I even understood it! Not usual when it comes to some IT. Also, you have answered something that I have thought about and not asked about in your last sentence!! Very many thanks again, most helpful.
My next question would be 'how do I put text alongside my appropriate photos. 'Craggle' told me about the use of DropBucket, but it seemed a little complicated. Any other suggestions?
My regards,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on August 04, 2016, 01:55:45 AM
Kim......one simple way of adding meaningful text to an image is just to rename it  ;)

Your image below is titled P1200502..........so in your PC or wherever you store this images.....just rename it  %)

It could be renamed ...M2 x 6 S/S C/S Head Screws..............then when you post it, the new name appears next to the image

Must also agree that the [www.knupfer.info] group :-)) is probably the best stocked source of realistically priced miniature bolts & nuts

Derek

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 04, 2016, 02:11:37 AM
Hmmm. I can see what you are saying for a very short caption, but I was thinking of what some of the others do when they start with a paragraph and then go into the process and instead of my bullet points and then the photos, have the photo with the text of that bullet point underneath [that is, where it rightly belongs].
Not to worry, will get there somehow, one day - it just looks better, that's all.
Suppose, here in the Northern Hemi-sphere it's time I made my way to bed!! I want to try and get that Shannon wheelhouse base line marked and cut later today - slightly apprehensive.
Thanks for help and comments so far, Derek.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on August 04, 2016, 02:29:04 AM
How would this be?........................ Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: craggle on August 04, 2016, 10:44:32 AM
Hi Kim

Build is looking good and you are making far better progress than I am with the Severn. Been so busy recently, working away, finding time to get out on the mountain bike, keeping the Mrs happy at the weekend, etc. means hardly any time has been spent on my boat. I will get back to it once the evenings get shorter again though.
I too like the centre finding ruler, very good and very useful. I will go looking for one of those right now I think.

Keep up the photos and description of what you are building, I may not comment after every post but I certainly do read them and find them interesting. Even though it's a different boat to mine the techniques are very similar and I'm picking up useful hints on the way.
 
Craig.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 05, 2016, 11:52:08 PM
Cheers Craig,
You're not alone regarding putting model building on 'the back burner' during the Summer Period - each to their own agenda, and ten out of ten regarding 'keeping the Mrs. happy', that's worth 10,000 Brownie points for you [but only takes one silly word or action to lose them!!!]. I know you are watching and busy, so don't expect replies, however I'm glad things have helped [likewise with what you are doing on your Severn!].
For all others reading this, just a quick photo of the area where I suddenly noticed the 'high point' of resin [not the stretcher being oversized] on the underside of the deck. You'll also noticed I took the opportunity to lower the area all across that line. Then I went around the edge of the underside of the deck and the hull's top edge lip - just to make sure all were flat and would marry well with each other.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 06, 2016, 12:31:30 AM
Today [Friday] I set up in the conservatory with my various plans - at 1/12th scale - and the wheelhouse. I really am starting to get excited now, as this is what I like when I get near to starting to make 'the bits' and when the boat has got its main components the way I want them. You will see throughout the photos that I have measured off certain key horizontal and vertical lines, marrying with bow, stern and mid-points, front and back uprights of window frames.
When that was done I then started to measure off some of the 'apertures' on the port and then starboard sides. The outcome:-
The main instruments used here, other than the plans which you might have noticed I have pencilled on my notes or comments as reminders, are a steel rule, pencil, set-square and a radii template for drawing the corners onto the apertures.
Tomorrow [Saturday] I hope to glue some angled aluminium onto the inside wheelhouse walls to keep them straight and rigid, and then scribe the base line [described above] onto the bottom of the wheelhouse and cut to profile. If all goes well I will be a happy Canterbury Coxswain!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 06, 2016, 04:53:57 PM
I am a very happy Canterbury Coxswain, so am currently sitting down and watching the Olympics, whilst enjoying a large iced Pepsi Cola!!
Went into outdoor workshop this morning and then continued after lunch. The following was achieved:
Tomorrow I will decide whether to start at opening up the window apertures and trial fitting the frames supplied by Models by Design. So far very pleased and impressed - thanks Andy for a wonderful start on this superb new RNLI Shannon Class lifeboat - as I've said before, all this for just 290! Maybe I'll have a go at trimming up the ten 'rubber' fenders and making a dummy fit also tomorrow.
Now looking forward to a Tamarind chicken, mushroom rice, aloo gobi and onion bhaji with a cold Cobra beer tonight - can life get any better??!!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 06, 2016, 05:05:01 PM
One bullet point I did leave out was at the point of final cuts and trimming I did make sure that the boat hull and deck were level using large building type spirit levels, then as I cut and trimmed to the scribbed line I used smaller versions to make sure everything remained level, both bow to stern and port to starboard - easily overlooked, ending up with a slightly 'wonky' looking set-up, but not here!
Note the shot showing the way that the wheelhouse nose has shortened [likewise at the stern] after being trimmed as this facing surface is at a slope.
Now off to take some 'happy pills' to keep my back quiet and pain free, but a good days work and worth the effort and discomfort.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on August 08, 2016, 11:36:08 AM
Hi Kim
Thats coming along very well,It looks like a very well made set of
mouldings Andy has produced there.
You are making a first class job of putting things together.


Regards


Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 08, 2016, 11:02:46 PM
Thanks Derek,
Knew you and your good colleague 'the Horsham Hawk' would be watching. Had a good morning with a quick session outside [more of that later], then down to the coast to see our good friend 17-09 [Alan]. Thought I had converted him in the last few months to watch football, tennis, and Tour de France and more recently now the Olympic Games and the Beach Volley Ball!! No such luck, he showed me what he had been up to - Severn Class wheelhouse handrails, tele-comms tower, ladder, back support, foot gratings, and radar screen, the stern air-boxes and the survivors' 'A' frames. All very nice and to a great standard - as one would expect! So no sport, but head down and plenty of time in the workshop. Attached two photos I took, with his permission, to encourage and stimulate the viewers to this thread. I'm looking forward to doing the same in aluminium in a few months time for this Shannon.
Cheers, Kim.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 08, 2016, 11:48:23 PM
Back to my Shannon. Spent just three quarters of an hour this morning placing three 'spare' window frames in the front of my wheelhouse. These Andy gave me sp that I could play about with the flexibility of the frames [superb - flex without any easy breakage when bending them. All I have done is sand down the backs of them to take off the 'meniscus' caused on the pouring / casting method. My own set I will sand using a wet and dry sheet glued to a flat board, this way there will be flat back, adjusted to fit the actual depth required once the apertures are finished and the inside sanded back to make a realistic thickness to the wheelhouse 'walls'. They will also be finished on the visible surfaces and the window inserts press fitted]. The process seen here was:
Tomorrow I will adjust this aperture and frame and the wheelhouse wall thickness, then sand my own actual frame to the point where I am satisfied that one window is done and complete. Then use the same approach and process to complete the other eight windows. When completed I'll come back with a few shots of the achievement.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on August 09, 2016, 07:49:47 AM
Hi Kim
Very nice.
One of the worst jobs doing windows.
Those look great.


I am still at home looking after the new knee.


Regards


Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 09, 2016, 11:25:18 PM
Derek,
Posting this just for you, as you are at home. Is this the original knee operation or the other one now?
Started the day tidying the front middle window as stated yesterday, then did what 'the Horsham Hawk' does - earnt some 'brownie points' by taking my wife out for a riverside pub lunch, then home and completed the windows on the front and then did the front port one. Got out my Proxxon belt finger sander and my Proxxon Delta sander, alongside the Dremel and the diamond cutting disc and drum sander. Sometimes I'm out there working away with a drill, flat and semi-round file - when in the workshop there are these quicker machines that remove the worst and then finish off with the files and wet and dry.
Yes, Derek, Andy has made a good job of the mouldings here and I have today seen some more bits he has just made for this Shannon. More in the next few days.
Hope the knee is better soon. Will you be at Headcorn?
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on August 10, 2016, 08:28:26 AM
Hi Kim
This is the right knee from May and its the 3rd time its been replaced in the last 9 years.
Dr's that can't mix glue properly.  {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ .
I will be at Headcorn with Paul but not Lee as he is at a Bus Fest that weekend.
I will also be at St Albans.
Those window frames are very nice.
Are you planning an interior or going for smoked glass .


Regards


Derek

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 10, 2016, 10:32:25 AM
Derek,
You're right about the glue - give them a 'Master Class'!! Ask them if they have tried that 'Gorilla' one from the States.
Just about to go outside and make some more dust finishing off the two windows on the Port side. Then it's off to have some physio for this trapped nerve - some  times in the distant past it's worked, other times............
Regards the windows, so far all seems to be well, waiting to fit the glazing, but just as a trial fit. Then it will be plan 'B' or 'C' into action. The other matter of tinted windows or a fitted interior - I plan the latter as I have access to the actual boat and there is so much good and different bits and pieces in there that I would like to make and detail myself. That said, let's get the water-jets and electrics in first and on the water!! Don't ask when - gently, gently catchy...........
Well, hope to see you at Headcorn [what is Lee up to!!] and St. Albans and also Broomfield Park?
Cheers,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on August 10, 2016, 10:49:49 AM
Looking very good Kim  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 12, 2016, 01:02:31 AM
Thanks Colin, I'm really enjoying getting outside [where the fine dust does not go all over the indoor workshop] and getting all this provisional work done. It takes time, but needs to be done, just hope it might help or encourage others to have a go. Thanks to those others that have sent PMs and emails, appreciated!
Today not so good, as after the physio yesterday, more pain and the pills have left me very 'whoozy', so never got out to finish off what I achieved yesterday. So that's what I'll do now. I'll cover both the port and starboard sides - although pretty well the same, just so it helps understand the whole picture - this is what a few have encouraged me to do.
A few points to remember:
Next I hope to take out a few of the side wall apertures [fuel fillers and breathers + fire hydrant water access + engine room vent] and move on to the wheelhouse nose dimensions / possible modification.

You
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 12, 2016, 01:11:31 AM
Oops - put two previous photos back in again!
The rest to go with the above notes. The last photo just shows where I am with the frames not in place on the Port side, but the view through the wheelhouse with all window apertures removed.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 13, 2016, 12:29:01 AM
Another good day, both weather and modelling wise.
I got to finish off the starboard side window apertures, then trial fit [push] all the window frames in. they really are a lovely fit. Think I will only have to 'shim' the front-mid frame with an absolute 'smidge'. Remember:
Andy, at Models by Design, really has come up with a novel idea for the frames and good set of glazing inserts - all in the 290 for what you see here and also the 'rubber' fenders for round the deck sides. I really am satisfied for what is in front of me on this project.
A little quiz for you - I have positioned on the bow fore-deck a capstan I was 'tutored' to make with my late friend Ted Murkin. This was some thirteen years ago and he had made one for himself, which I have now inherited for my Trent Class. The one here goes on my Arun Class. Just what is wrong with it though? Something I shall be rectifying for the one on this Shannon model though!
I've seen some more bits Andy is progressing at the moment - hopefully some photos early next week.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 13, 2016, 11:18:31 PM
Today spent some time marking up the wheelhouse against my plans and will continue with some small remedial work on the 'nose' on Monday along with 'P38ing' the areas on both sides that will have their apertures cut then cut out. This will be on display at the MBA-Dover 'Kearsney Kapers' Regatta tomorrow Sunday.
I then got on with some maintenance work [new tiller upright in oak] and cleaning, LED lighting wiring reworked and checked on my divers' open boat 'Diving Belle', with its superb Alan Bond [Forge Electronics] sound unit matched to the ESC. All based on another MbD boat, being their 1/12th scale Holton 32 fishing boat, here used as an open boat and at 1/8th scale, with official MOD Royal Navy diver figures. Great fun and entertains the crowds at many a show and club meeting. I have calculated that since I acquired this mode some severn years ago [with its fitted Caldercraft electric motor], from Andy and then refurbished it and turned it into a dive boat it has covered some 500 miles on the water!!
Guess my favourite soft drink!
CC
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on August 13, 2016, 11:47:03 PM
Those scale divers have great detail, however I would be a little concerned if they ate the burnt corn beef sandwich after travelling 500 miles in  the open air.... :o......... Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 14, 2016, 01:22:22 AM
Nice one Derek,
But they are ham and cheese on rye bread - hence the 'dark' crust around the edge!!
Cheers,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 16, 2016, 01:43:05 AM
Well Sunday went very well and a very good Regatta put on by the Committee and members of MBA-Dover. Some 83 boats and 3 hovercraft from host club and four supporting MBCs.
A great amount of interest in my Shannon Class model and photographic display from both public and modellers alike. Especially liked was the quality of the hull build, the window process of frame and glazing, and the superb 'rubber' [soft cast resin] fendering - both pioneered, here, by Andy. One Club who only tend to make one type of boat [tugs] had a number of members commenting, saying they were well tempted as they all only tend to scratch build [I did notice one kit amongst their display!!] and would prefer this as a starter 'for ten' then to scratch build the rest, especially having the actual boat so close to us! I also had the chance to speak to another two MbD 1/12th Shannon owners on their progress, although not here on display.
In last Saturday's post came a small parcel, unexpected, with the attached stern wheelhouse rear door and upper-steering position bulkhead. Andy will now be doing this with each new kit, but if those who already have the model want to contact him he will do one for 8 + p&p. He has also sent me a photograph of a new item for the Shannon - a servo and battery tray, CNC milled in white styrene, being 10 + p&p.
Whilst on the Shannon, there seems to be a rumour doing the rounds that the water-jets are not available for it. Not true, KMB [Kehrer] have plenty of stock - I am told - and no one that has bought one has had problems aquiring them - they arrive in a few days of ordering at Euros 52 each, but don't forget to order the aluminium flange plate at Euros 13,  if you are going to be using a brushless motor to power them. So two Water-jet 28 [short steering nozzle] and flanges for Euros 130.
On Monday I I decided to start the small modification to my wheelhouse nose and will hope to finish this today [Tuesday]. As mentioned before, I have plans from three sources, one has the nose at 150mm [as in the MbD model], another shows 147mm and those that I am using and go with my hull show 145mm. So you can see from the photos I have drawn the lines on, but this then alters the angled profile - when using the 70mm across the extreme front of the nose. So off with it and then replace.
This will mean that the bow survivors' peak cabin hatch will have to be moved back by the same amount of 5mm. More of that later. Not a hard job, but the two folk I spoke to at the weekend said they were not worried or troubled and would leave it alone - over to us rivet counters!!
Lastly, if you think the RNLI crews are brave then go to YouTube and look at the Pilot boat videos of the Interceptor 42 Pilot boats in rough seas out of Cork harbour!! They are built by Safehaven Marine in Ireland and their videos are out of this world!! So if you want something that is both fast and slow, looks special [there are so many different versions that can be made] then go to MbD who do a 1/12th scale full kit of one - all in at 375!! Dave Abbott built a review one a couple of years ago, and did it it go!! With brushless motors - splendid. Must get back to the Olympic athletics and hockey now, but this has kept me awake!! Cheers, C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 16, 2016, 01:49:01 AM
The last photo of it back on the boat here; the re-build process will follow.
Derek [down in the Southern Hemisphere] a sea gull ate the sandwich on the divers' boat at the weekend, so a new [and fresh] one will be made!!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on August 16, 2016, 05:17:52 PM
Hi Kim,

Your Shannon appeared in my Twitter feed today :D Have to agree, it is looking good.

Charlie
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 16, 2016, 11:44:32 PM
Hi Charlie,
Very many thanks for posting this here for me. Guess what? When I got home i realised that out of all the photos I took for the MMI magazine coverage, I never took one of my own exhibit table [which also had my divers' boat on it too]!!
Sorry that you had to see it this way [apologies again for not taking it to Mote Park] - you must come over some time and talk lathes and model builds, give me some dates and times, when convenient.
Is there any way you can contact the person that took this photo? If so, could you give them my email address and get them to send it to me as an attachment, but at full MBs - not resized / compressed? Also ask if they would allow me to use it on the odd occasion for RNLI / LBES purposes with acknowledgement to them?
Many thanks for this - looks good, will soon start to get some detail onto it and consider putting the water-jets in.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 19, 2016, 01:22:10 AM
Not a pretty sight!!
I've added some of the next few photos in this build just to show some folk, 'newish' to this hobby, that not all goes according to plan or expectations!
There, will try and get out into the outside workshop [garden] early, later today [sitting here watching the Olympics live athletics coverage], to sand these areas back before the rain comes to the South East of England. It does not look a good day weather wise!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 19, 2016, 01:37:21 AM
The second photo in the last post shows the underside of the nose, where I have used resin and glass fibre tape to re-inforce the three sections glued into position [badly!]. This certainly makes for a very strong build in this area, remembering that it might get knocked when putting on and taking off in the future.

Whilst writing this up, I will use the opportunity to confirm that I have spoken to the family concern of Kehrer Modellbau [KMB], who make the 28mm water-jets [Jet28] being used here. They have stock and will be making more in the immediate future. They have no thoughts of stopping production of them. They are a very highly respected producer of water jets with many proven examples, that have fine characteristics and a quality build. Please note that they have told me they will be closed for annual holidays from 22nd August to 5th September, just in case you are about to order yours [knowing that quite a few folk have recently bought the MbD 1/12th Shannon lifeboat].
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on August 19, 2016, 09:14:10 AM
Hi Kim
You are really going for it on this build. I am looking forward to seeing it
in the flesh so to speak.


Regards


Derek


Ps I now have a lifeboat kit to build.... O0
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 19, 2016, 09:47:40 AM
Yes Derek, trying to keep a bit of momentum on this one. Just started to rain here, so no sanding at the moment, will burn some Trent DVDs off for customers and take them down the Post Office.
So you have a lifeboat? I remember the 1/12th Waveney - what's this one?
Will probably not be taking the Shannon to the Headcorn Southern Model Show [I know of three others that could be there], but hope to bring it to Broomfield MBC at the Park and to the St. Albans MES Show.
Have a good weekend - intrigued to what your lifeboat is!
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Revester on August 20, 2016, 04:57:48 PM
Speedline Models is at Haydock on the bank holiday weekend and we will be showing the 'almost finished' Shannon class lifeboat kits in both scales.
In addition we will have some jet drives to show. They are the drives for the Shannons of course but they should prove popular with all types of jet dive boats because of the scale-like appearance and their ability to steer in reverse.
I was emailed a few weeks ago by a Mr Albear Montocchio who is the Global Marketing Manager for Hamilton Jet, the manufacturer of the real things used on the Shannon. He gave us formal approval to add their name on the reversing buckets of the drive units. We sent him the 3D designs which he thought were very good. I think he is interested in having some Shannons built for the Company to use in marketing. I think that is a wonderful idea!!


Our 1/12th scale jet drives use a 28mm diameter overlapping three blade design of impeller cast onto a stainless steel shaft. Protean Design (Simon Higgins new company) was involved in the design and he is making them for us. The six bladed 'matched' stator is cast into the centre section of the drive which is made from a very tough plastic like material. I have tested the drives against all the better know jet drives available and am very pleased with the results. How powerful is it?  Well as Rolls Royce would say, its adequate.
See you at the show.
Kim, bring your micrometer.



Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 21, 2016, 03:00:03 AM
Adrian,
This all sounds very good. You seem to be suggesting from your second sentence that you will now be selling these for folk to use on other models other than your Speedline Shannons? Looking forward to see what you have done with regards to reproducing your windows too.

Now back to my build. Looking [slightly] better now, as on Friday I used first the Perma-Grit block to remove the high spots, then my trusty Proxxon delta sander with a 80 grit, then 150, then finally a 250 grit. All went well, and I will finally do a wet and dry finish with water - right at the last when all is in place for a primer coat in grey - sorry Andy the orange will disappear!! There will need to be just a small couple of areas to add some more U-Pol filler on Monday. The front nose top port corner and just underneath when you can see on the final photo it is just above the deck line.
Just one little area on the port side fuel aperture did not seem to adhere, so maybe I did not thoroughly mix the U-Pol filler? Also the area adjacent I did not mask will need to be revisited. However, my method of masking the surround area proved useful in the initial steps, something I will use in the future for other builds too.
I am really enjoying this model build and each time I pick the hull up I get very excited. She is a lovely looking lifeboat, with great lines from every angle. Thanks for all the emails and PMs, I just hope it will be a help for anyone building this model and lifeboat or just watching. Roll on Monday!! Mind you, I've just seen Mo Farah win the 5,000 metres - unfortunately the Olympics will be finished by then!!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 21, 2016, 03:17:13 AM
I have in place an opportunity to record live on a Shannon class lifeboat the start-up, run and close-down sounds. This will then be translated into a digital sound module small enough to be used both on the 1/16th and 1/12th scale versions of this lifeboat.
As soon as this is done I will report back here on my build. One will be going inside mine!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 22, 2016, 05:45:51 PM
Good weather day today, so got outside and completed a little more.
A good day and all in all some 3 hours work - soon goes!
I've sourced and bought some aluminium channel of the right size for the keel and stern 'kicked' skeg. In real life this is stainless steel, but I will hope to 'braze' my aluminium parts, then treat some to give the correct finish, while polishing others to look as near to stainless as possible. This means the keel needs to be the correct width and depth to take the metal parts. The last thing I want to keep away from is painting these parts to look like metal on my model - each to their own. The only part I will possibly make in brass is the front pulpit rail, as this will be painted in satin black, so the aluminium would be hidden.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: minimariner on August 22, 2016, 11:33:27 PM
Hi Kim,

PM sent
Bryan
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on August 23, 2016, 12:46:16 AM
Hi Kim with reference to the capstan you say what is wrong with it. Is it that the upper cutout should be above every other bottom cutout. The model is looking good keep it up. I have now started on getting my 2nd Shannon up to the same state as the 1st one and then finish all the little bits on both together.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Revester on August 23, 2016, 06:16:32 PM
I don't suppose anyone else will notice Kim. Nice turning job though.
If it was me though it would just have to be right. Its just me I know. This is what mine looks like.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Revester on August 23, 2016, 06:25:27 PM
Couldn't resits that one Kim, sorry.
On the subject of close up accuracy though. If anyone would like to see a detail of any part of the boat on here that might help their build just ask and I'll pop it on.
Soon. any casting will be available be it for a scratch builder or the build of a MBD Shannon.
Adrian
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Revester on August 23, 2016, 06:29:10 PM
There are eight hold down bolts not six.
Adrian
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 24, 2016, 10:20:49 AM
Cheeky Adrian, I thought that I was on the Speedline Models 'new kit' thread when I opened this up!!
Mk1 [John] you are totally right and as the first to recognise it a small RNLI prize is on its way.
Adrian you are too [I made it more than ten years ago for my Arun Class], but a new one is already done for the Shannon and being cast at this moment. However, my thread is for those building or interested in a semi-scratch approach where they [like me] want to enjoy researching and making the various parts for themselves. A few PMs have 'winged' their way to me saying that my site has been 'high-jacked' by Speedline, I hope not! Interesting that you are now offering your parts to all - I always said to you in the past that your idea of a 'Chandlery' would be a good one, but you never took it up. So many parts to offer folk. I shall continue to watch your thread though, there are some really nice parts being made for your kit - those waiting must be salivating enormously. I see the water-jets are not now aluminium?
Yesterday's small progress by me will be posted later.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Revester on August 24, 2016, 03:04:53 PM
Yes, sorry Kim.
I don't mean to 'Hijack' your thread and in fact I think I have been very good staying off.
I recognise that you like to make all your own parts and many more do too I'm sure.
I will be offering a lifeboat Chandlery soon but hey, enough of me. Lets have a look at your latest progress then.
Back to the 'other thread' now.
Over and out.
Adrian

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 25, 2016, 02:34:58 PM
Tuesday saw a day gaining 'Brownie Points' - taking my wife to the coast for a meal looking across the Channel and watching all the marine activity - including a tall ship with three small triangular sails set, two on the jib mast and one between the second and third main mast. [I have written all of this yesterday in the heat, then accidentally touched a key to the left of the keyboard and it wiped the lot!! Could not find out a way of retrieving it, so here we go again].
When I got home I decided to at least do something, so sat in the shade in the garden and started a slow, but methodical, approach to tidying the 'rubber' fenders spoken of earlier in this thread.
I only did two, but it was another small step forward. Remember that MbD originally did the fenders in two lengths [starboard and port], then went to ten pieces [five for each side], and have now gone back to the two lengths, as Andy has solved the casting and air bubbles problem. You will need to support these lengths, maybe using masking tape on a work bench [or kitchen table- if the 'good lady' is out - do not even contemplate if she is in!!]. John [Mk1] has achieved this, so as a scratch builder might give us some extra tips on the exact same product.

The other two photos are of a piece of the fender I got from Andy, early on, where I am throwing at it all sorts of conditions - stretching, pulling, twisting, salt water, immersion for a period, sanding of different grades and Autoglym rubber conditioner / protector. All seems OK still! One has the Autoglym on the first one not.
I believe that MbD will be at the Haydock Park Show this coming weekend, so you can go and have a look at the finished article and [having asked first] give it a 'prod'.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 25, 2016, 04:55:31 PM
There are days when ones' faith in humanity is restored - and today was one of them. The postman came a few hours ago and left an envelope marked 'please do not bend'. In side were three copies of the Naming and Dedication Ceremony and Service for 13-12 RNLB Cosandra a boat for the Relief Fleet of the RNLI.
My very good friend Gary works for Malcolm Elvy, the company that move many of our lifeboats around the country. Whilst there on 1st July he managed to acquire these copies for me to go on my Shannon Class model and photographic exhibition at Shows and for a further copy to go in my reality collection. He knows I like lifeboat paraphernalia.
Why I have also put this here is that if you are making a model of this boat you will need to get one detail correct! The number on the bow is made up of all the names of the people who donated to the RNLI's Christmas Appeal 2015 for the balance of funds required to build her - overall 2.2 million. The late Costa Arsensis [he a merchant seaman] and his wife Alexandra bequested a very large amount of this sum, so when she died in 2011 a request for a lifeboat to be named after them was made - hence the name.
A very generous couple and my thanks to Gary for allowing me to have a very small part of that story!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on August 25, 2016, 04:59:34 PM
My wife's name is in there somewhere!!!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 25, 2016, 11:12:51 PM
Spongie - that's great, your model will have to reflect that!!
Yesterday I did not do too much as I had a physio session.
Having looked at my reference photos I notice that the rim for my hatch cover of 13-02 should sit proud of the deck - for me a trip hazard, but that is what it's got, so that's what I will give it. I will make an infill plate and glue in place and then remove the internal aperture to give me an access hatch for my electronics / servos / cables.

Today I did not do anything, as my body has 'rebelled' against the physio session and I have found it hard to stand or sit, let alone attempt the ten exercises given for each day! Plus it was really hot again here in the South East.

Just to finish. I do record my build with both the processes used and the mistakes made, as it lets others know that such things happen and hopefully they can learn from them - the real benefit of this Forum. I hope it is of use to some.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on August 25, 2016, 11:15:40 PM
I'm too busy refurbishing a full size Lifeboat to have time to make models. Neither do I really have the patience or skills!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on August 25, 2016, 11:40:41 PM
Kim..what is the crazed surface under or about the numeral 12?.....or is it just a photographic reflection :o............... Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 25, 2016, 11:55:14 PM
Hi Derek,
Gary took these shots for me, but alongside the one in the Naming Ceremony brochure where an RNLI technician is peeling back the large 'transport medium' paper with the lettering on [like a giant vinyl transfer from the BECC Company here in the UK] it is either a 'water slide medium' or water residue - all awaiting a good clean off and final polish. Sorry, I have had to surmise, but think this is it.
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: rnli12 on August 26, 2016, 05:57:29 AM
Kim,
 
Your right the vinyl outer layer is being kept on to let the numbers and letters settle before peeling back.
 
Good to see how all the names of donors have been incorporated into the lettering, lovely touch.
 
Rich
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 28, 2016, 11:54:29 AM
I'm happy where I am with this 'starter model' set now. The last few days have seen me further modifying the modifications!! By that I have cleaned up some of the sanded down areas, put another thin coat of U-Pol filler in and then sanded back again to try and get a very smooth and flat finish. This meant re-doing the wheelhouse nose - where I am 99.95% satisfied, but when in the mood [and that is important] I will have another go at getting the 'front face' at its 70mm width with upright edges just sloping outwards, it will come!
You will see that instead of the old T-shirt used to cradle the hull in the Workmate, and protect the outer surface, I have replaced it with a piece of neoprene sheet. This serves two purposes - firstly it stops reminding me how much weight I have put on over the Summer period [hence its use] and more importantly it protects and 'holds' the hull in place and does not let it slip and slide. This was donated to me by a relation of a good lifeboat model friend [who is also now a model lifeboat friend!]. My wife calls this Lifeboat Enthusiasts' Society [LBES] 'the Brotherhood'!
I have also used the hand sanding block and some 'wet & dry' 1200 grade paper after using the Proxxon delta sander. I added a few drops of washing-up liquid to the water to stop it clogging - works really well. This has started to give the overall impression of ownership. I have now gone past the 'phase' of being 'afraid' of the new acquisition. I think some reading this will know what I mean, it's now MINE.
Next I will start to re-mark up the nose hatch cover area and its adjacent 'neighbours'. I really am enjoying getting outside in the garden and working, slowly, away at this part of the build.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 28, 2016, 12:09:57 PM
It's just started to rain [lightly] here in the South East, so have come in to watch the Belgian Grand Prix live. I can hear Sunday lunch being prepared too - so off to get a glass of sherry!!
However, just went onto the Berthon Boat Company's website. Go to the Commerical Services section and also the Commercial Case Studies. You will see plenty of information about the Shannon build and especially the first fourteen, as this work is mainly done 'in house' at the RNLI H.Q. in Poole and their All-Weather Lifeboat centre [ALC] now. Go to www.berthon.co.uk , really good.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 30, 2016, 12:19:34 AM
Today my hopes were raised when I went into the workshop and found a small box of items made by my late friend Ted. There were six stag-horn bollards looking up at me, all made of aluminum. I spread the RNLI plans out in the conservatory and found that what I had was slightly larger than required - yes 1/12th scale, but for the Arun class - hopes were dashed!!
Well, that was it for today, apart from looking at my Folders of Shannon photos on my computer to further understand what is what.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Boats on wheels on August 30, 2016, 10:32:06 PM
Hi Kim , finally followed your advice and registered , does look better with pictures , very good work so far and not too much grey ......
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 30, 2016, 10:52:13 PM
Hi 'Boats on Wheels' - like the handle, very appropriate! I'll expect it to be on your cab sides as you travel the country.
As for grey, that is all going to change soon - sorry! Got to make it look like the real thing in build!!
Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Boats on wheels on August 30, 2016, 10:58:14 PM
Yes Kim , they are grey before being sprayed blue and orange , have move a couple in this state  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 31, 2016, 04:59:40 PM
Today was a Chief Executive Officers' Meeting of the Kent Section of the E.R.C.U. [Elite Rivet Counters' Union]. Present were 17-09 and 13-02, as borne out by their tea mugs, at the Canterbury abode. With 17-09's permission I took some photos of his latest progress with the wheelhouse of the Dover Severn [a total re-build and refurbishment of the 1/12th Speedline Models Newhaven Severn that 17-21 owned for many years]. I thought that for those newish to this part of the hobby some of the shots and comments might be of help for your Shannon or other lifeboat builds [indeed for most vessels].
I trust you will be inspired by the attention to detail, I was. Half the fun is the research, especially when it gets noticed before being built!! I will continue with the last three photos below.
C.C. [ERCU]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 31, 2016, 05:06:17 PM
Photos as promised.
Work on my Shannon will continue over the next couple of days, ready for the Festival at Broomfield Park on Sunday and the display by Broomfield MBC, Southern Model Display Team and me and my Lifeboat Enthusiasts' Society gazebo with my Shannon in build model and the photographic display of the real boat.
I have another small project in the pipeline to raise money for the RNLI Dungeness Station, but more of that after the weekend!
Thanks for the kind comments and PMs sent - most encouraging.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: colin-stevens on August 31, 2016, 07:26:05 PM
Oh Wow!!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Perkasaman2 on August 31, 2016, 09:28:23 PM
These RNLI Shannon boats are expensive at 3.4 million each and a boat was reported to reach 29 knots off the Northumberland coast on a test run. The Mersey at Seahouses is being replace with a Shannon in the near future.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 31, 2016, 09:41:28 PM
Hi, The RNLI Naming Ceremony and Service of Dedication pamphlet displayed above [July 2016] quotes 2.2m for the cost of a Shannon, I think the figure you are quoting includes the cost of the new lifeboat station too, where required. Regarding speed, they are meant to be governed to 25 knots, although a friend of mine who owned an Arun for some-while got 24 knots out of his [stated 19 knots] when he had just got the propellers back from refurbishing and the hull had been newly anti-fowled.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Perkasaman2 on August 31, 2016, 09:50:37 PM
The cost must have included the new tractor and trailer. This likely explains the difference.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 31, 2016, 09:56:00 PM
Sorry Perkasaman, that's what I meant; thanks for the correction, it's not the boathouse at all. Good job someone is awake!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 02, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
Set up in the outside workshop after lunch, having just checked the National and South East weather forecast for today - fine, clouding over, no rain. Excellent.
I'll try again tomorrow afternoon, but will be out in the early and middle part of the day over at Headcorn, 'helping' the Kent Model Boat Display Team set-up the very large temporary pond ready for the Southern Model Show the following weekend - it atkes nearly a week to fill. It's at Lashenden Aerodrome, so there will be some 200+ model aircraft flying throughout each day and around fifteen Model Boat Clubs supporting the KMBDT. There are always lots of trade stands - including Andy and Debby from Models by Design and DK Figures [usually supplying us with superb slices of cake - hint, hint!]. Normally Component Shop are there too. Well worth a visit.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 02, 2016, 04:02:13 PM
I mentioned another small lifeboat Project, the other day, that I was hoping would help me raise another 250 for the RNLI Dungenes lifeboat station. I am trying to raise 1,000 this year for the RNLI [four stations - Dungeness, Dover, Newhaven and Ramsgate] I support, with fellow LBES members at Model Shows, RNLI Station Open Days and by the DVD photo revenue.
Well, just back from the printers and here it is - a postcard of the Dungeness Shannon 13-02 in her new antifoul painted hull. They will sell at 50p each when at Shows, but if you would like some and to make it worthwhile with the postage etc.,. I will send ten of them for 5, all of which will go to the RNLI at Dungeness. I will cover the postage and packing. I have some 500, so please help me out! If they start to go well I will do another three classes [possibly the Tamar at Shoreham, the earlier Atlantic '75 RIB from Southend and maybe the Severn at Newhaven], making it a four card collection.
There you have it! And it has stopped raining - dare I set-up again and finish the job?
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 02, 2016, 05:28:59 PM
There I did! Set-up again, that is.
It has now started to pour with rain again! So job done - satisfied. Looking at the photos in the posts over the past few weeks shows the old back garden grass has deteriorated somewhat, lets hope it rains more.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 02, 2016, 09:31:50 PM
Should have mentioned to those building their own Shannon, just in case you have not noticed, there is a very gentle slope her side for the first couple of inches down on the central section of the telecomms mast support / helmsmans' back rest upright! Just thought I would mention it before someone cut it straight down. It is there in the MbD model wheelhouse, but easy to miss. I will deal the measurement next time, refering to the RNLI plans.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on September 03, 2016, 10:13:16 PM
Kim could you clarify that concerning the 'slope'?
I don't understand what you mean.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on September 03, 2016, 10:18:32 PM
Adrian look at the pic above, the backrest in the centre.

Bear in mind it's upside down, but the top section either side has a chamfer to it rather than being fully parallel.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on September 03, 2016, 10:37:38 PM
In one of your previous posts you say you are modifying the fuel filling, hydrant and vent positions to make them the same as the Shannon you are building. Is that correct?
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on September 03, 2016, 10:50:28 PM
Ah! See what you mean.
The 'backrest' is a padded cushion mounted on two small rails on the inside rear face of the bridge. Its the same item that's mounted by two clamps onto the twin rail mast section a couple of feet further so I was just a bit confused by your terminology.
I'm writing this on my tablet and all my photos are on my PC.
I'll post some close up photos of my model to show you my interpretation.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on September 03, 2016, 11:29:50 PM
Assuming the fendering is rubberised resin tinted black,  a great way of making it a nice even, very realistic sheen is to spray it with WD40. Try it on a bit of off-cuts.
To get air out of the resin used is a big problem and not easily overcome, I sympathise with Andy here.
Just for general interest most of you reading this will know that once resin has been poured into a mould, you pop it in a vac tank, run it to 30" of mercury watch it boil off the air then once the bubbles pop, release the vacuum.
Because this rubberised resin is so gloopy you need to pour it into the mould whist in a vacuum and the pressurise the tank to about three atmospheres to crush any bubbles left in there into tiny, tiny bubbles. Then you wait until the resin sets before releasing the pressure.
Neat eh? You can only do one item at a time of course so the tank needs to be quite large to make it viable.
The machine you need costs about 25,000 new so you have to have a bit of luck in finding one.
There is another way but nothing like as interesting.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 03, 2016, 11:33:29 PM
Adrian and others wondering what I am refering to. If you look at the central area of the wheelhouse which 'houses' the slides for the telecomms tower and is the back wall of the upper steering position, you will see that at the top, instead of those outside surfaces running parallel, they slope inwards from a point that goes upwards from an 'eye-line' drawn from the top edge of both corners of the wheelhouse. This is just above the left hand side rail on entry to the upper steering position and likewise on the other side to the right of the entry corridor to the wheelhouse door. It can be seen just above Catherine Adams head in the photo of 13-02 at Ramsgate and also on the two photos of the 'in builds' from the rear at Poole at the Open Weekend. It is on the RNLI plans and is on the MbD wheelhouse too. However, it is very easy to miss and therefore just take both sides of that central section straight up to the top with parallel sides. Not sure if that has helped, but I will try and remember to take exact measurements when I go down to Dungeness next week.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 04, 2016, 02:38:46 AM
Sorry it's Natalie at Dungeness - I should have put Natalie Adams not 'Catherine'. It just came to me!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on September 04, 2016, 09:21:37 AM
Don't worry about it Kim It is quite clear on the plan.

Do have an answer yet for why the boat you are building is so different from the others?
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on September 04, 2016, 02:50:05 PM
13-01 & 13-02 are both "prototypes" to a certain extent. Even 13-05 is a bit different.

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 05, 2016, 12:32:16 PM
Hi Adrian,
I have been assured by folk at the Technical Dept., at RNLI Poole, and by two Engineers / Mechanics likewise, that there are no differences - they are all from the same moulds. But then Mk1 [John] brought to my attention that there are in the fixtures and fittings - with photos to prove. I think that in their [RNLI] 'eyes' this is the case - but some of us as modellers, keen for accurate detail, spot items to disprove this. I know quite a lot of modellers that have now bought this model and are following my build and I am just pointing out that the research and plans used need to be from a known source and the 'provenance' and 'scaling up' size known. I know one person who scaled up to make it 13 metres [whereas it is 13.6 metres], someone else to 13.5 metres and another to 13.64 metres. I have bought and 'inherited' three sets of plans and as I have pointed out earlier that on one set the nose of the wheelhouse is 150mm, another 147mm and another 145mm [the set that I am now using as the hull, deck and wheelhouse seem to correspond, give or take the odd 1mm]. For me it's the final symbiosis where windows line up with stanchions, that line up with intake / air conditioning valves and outlets, with 'eye-lines' drawn to aerials etc.,. It is at this point that I am 'adding my touches' to go along with those plans finally 'ticked' and being used. Some of my friends and acquaintances that have bought this model at recent shows and Club meetings have said they are not worried about this sort of detail and are just building 'as found' - some not even from plans - each to their own approach. As you well know, that if you are having plans enlarged to the size to work from [1/12th] are they to one, two or three decimal places and how accurate are the ones purchased from the RNLI, where quite often they bear the phrase 'do not use to scale'. Enough from me - you've all got better things to do - but I just want to make some aware that detail can differ. Hence my regular visits to Dungeness to measure the actual vessel, like others, I am fortunate in this respect.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on September 05, 2016, 12:59:52 PM
the phrase "do not use to scale" is quite common on technical drawings, mainly down to user error.

do you measure from the outside of the line, the middle of the line or the inside of the line, is the print actually printed accurately due to printer resolution or malfunctions. Once that drawing is on paper the draughtsman (people like me) have absolutely no control over how it is used, all we can do is state on the drawing that our dimensions (where any are stated) are final, and "do not use to scale".

In my experience of RNLI plans, sometimes there are differences between the plan and the real thing and the institution really don't know any different at all. an example of this is our boat, 50-001's "as modified" plans show her having two rope boxes on the fore deck and the fuel fillers on the side decks along the aft cabin sides. 50-001 has always only had one rope box, with a salvage pump the other side, and she was built with her fuel fillers on the side decks, but when she was modified they moved to the forward end of the aft cabin. so the "as modified" plans do not actually show her correctly at all.

50-002 on the other hand, did have two rope boxes and the fuel fillers did remain on the side decks.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 05, 2016, 01:46:51 PM
Spongie, you are right. I was just hoping to make this clear to some folk, hoping to build and accurate model of any lifeboat. My official RNLI Trent plans show the telecomms  tower the same way round on both the bow and stern view plans! This then needs a little 'research' to see which is correct and then reverse the other. Someone obviously 'copied' and 'pasted' without reversing the image. I have run a 5 year course on model boat building from my home and workshop, for the U3A, and all the people attending were very clever and practical people, but had never made a model boat. Some have now got five or six!! Five members now belong to the MBA-Dover club. However, as we started from absolute basics and progressed, they could not believe all the little 'traps' that were inherent in the process of building an accurate model. Some even went to the National Maritime Museum and up to Glasgow and Newcastle to get their plans from the actual boatyards or builders.
Here I was just trying to cover 'the approach' and a few pitfalls to the way forward regarding this lovely shaped lifeboat. Thanks for your input and professional insight though. Please feel free to join in at anytime - I've read your comments elsewhere too. This was the benefit from my Course - everyone's inputs helped - just like this great Forum!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on September 05, 2016, 01:59:54 PM
I can draw the drawings and read them, I'm refurbishing a full sized Lifeboat and half attempting to build one at 1/12 but I have very little skill, patience or the equipment to do so to such a high standard as yourself
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 05, 2016, 02:21:06 PM
Spongie, I admire what you are doing - if I had that sort of skill I would not be building models!! That said, I am only 'mediocre' compared to a lot of my friends and acquaintances in the model boat building world. However, your kind comments are an encouragement. I am of the opinion that if you buy your model from eBay it's your model [your money purchased it!]; if you build a full kit, it's your model [skill required in completing it, gluing and soldering, painting and all those electrics!]; semi-kit or hull purchase and then semi-scratch as much as possible [my way normally]; buy or inherit and refurbish or upgrade; or just literally see something on holiday and out of your memory of what you saw and understood, build from whatever you have in the workshop / shed or garage - no plans, no photographs. I'll quote the great man himself again [Phil Warren] - 'it's only a hobby if you build to your standard and at your speed, anything else is a chore'. So right.
Keep up the good work, Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on September 05, 2016, 09:34:10 PM
The RNLI,s plans are spot on. Any others are wrong if not drawn from them.
I know a lot about the Shannon. I have done over 500 parts on 3D CAD and know the boat rather intimately now.

You are trying to build a scale model on a base that isn,t really meant to be scrutinised to the level you have  gone to. You did the same thing with my Trent years ago and I admit it hurt a bit. I did my best to make an attractive model but it did not stand up to the level of scrutiny you gave it. It is the very reason why I am revamping my Trent now so I did kisten,.

If I were building someone's offering, that's what I would do, warts an all. I thinks its only fair really.
Whilst what you have done may well be interesting to many, daring to chop and fill and make changes and explaining how you did it, I do actually feel the hurt for Andy.

Why not start a scratch model and show how to do it rather than how to 'correct' others best efforts to bring them up to your standard?
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 06, 2016, 02:18:05 AM
I've been in touch with the RNLI Sales Department at Poole HQ yesterday [Monday - I have the gentleman's name I spoke to] as I had received feedback that 'the RNLI were not going to be producing the Shannon plans anymore and had returned peoples monies'. He said that that was not the case, it is just that there has been a big run on them and they had sold out - they will be back in stock on September 12th [hopefully].
Whilst writing I have also got confirmation from Martin at Macs Mouldings that he will be at the Headcorn Aerodrome Southern Model Show this coming weekend [Saturday and Sunday], as well as Models by Design and Component Shop as previously reported - that's great news.
The Team from the Kent Model Boat Display Team were there last weekend and they set up the pond - 32 metres by 12 metres - it is now filling!! Phil Knell said there were fourteen Clubs supporting the marine side of the event, as well as the Portsmouth Model Boat Display Team who will have a static display there on the Sunday. I am looking forward to seeing my 1/16th scale FCB2 - the Shannon prototype - which is now owned by Adam Maplesden. He is continuing the build and has it back on the water and running.
During the time we were setting up the Spitfire below made three take offs and landings - wonderful sight and sound!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on September 06, 2016, 11:51:36 AM
That sounds like a super weekend! Wish I could be there. Next year I am going to do many more shows, not so much as a trader but for fun. Kim, could you direct me in the right direction to joint the Lifeboat Model enthusiast please?
Tanks
Adrian
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 06, 2016, 03:49:50 PM
As you can see from my last Post it was nearly half past two this morning when I wrote it and I attached two photographs; after some ten minutes of it saying it was loading it cut me off, sent me a strange message saying it had not been sent and to try again later! I went to bed. Today I've been out, so came back to catch up and lo and behold it had posted the text!?*
So here are the two photos to go with it. The wonders of IT.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 06, 2016, 05:38:13 PM
To those of you following this thread I just want to make one thing clear, when I got my Shannon from Andy at MBD I did say I would probably do a 'build thread' on MBM and it would it be OK to show any modifications I might want to make to it as the Dungeness lifeboat - as I see it when I visit. He said he has known me long enough and would not have expected anything different from me - 'you have my OK to make it an open and honest build' - I was grateful and that shows the integrity of the manufacturer. Everything I have come up with I have run past him first, before 'posting'.
I have just 'phoned him to see if he is still OK with this, even though we speak and email each other umpteen times a week - no problem. In fact he said that since Haydock folk have been ringing and ordering them, mentioning that they are following this 'thread' and that the build will be of some help, others that it is a useful read, but they will be doing their own thing. I know this, as I have had a resurgence of orders for the DVD of Shannon photos [Andy has passed them on to me] and some come with a note stating this. Likewise, I have had emails and PMs to the same effect, encouraging me on. Andy knows of two more small amendments I will make at later stage, maybe this week or next week, and is OK with these too.
He has given me permission to show his latest Project which is a 1:1 scale catamaran fishing boat he has designed and fully made the plug and mould for - the 7 metre 'Cougar'. This is now being commercially produced here in Kent. He asked me to go out on her from Ramsgate for a sea trial a few weeks back and said if he was upset with me over the Shannon build he had ample opportunity to throw me overboard - thankfully he didn't. She really went well and was a very steady and stable ride. His own one is down on the South Coast, not on brushless motors, but two Mercury 80s instead!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 06, 2016, 05:49:39 PM
One or two have asked after last Sunday's Festival at Broomfield Park where Derek Attree and Paul Chilcott organised a marine display at the pondside. It was a great idea and we got a lot of attention and questions, especially his 'Kittyhawk' aircraft carrier. Some thirty odd younsters had a go of my Divers' boat. The postcard of 13-02 sold eleven copies and in all my RNLI collecting box had 43.70 in it. The Shannon photographic display got a little attention off and on throughout the day.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 06, 2016, 06:04:28 PM
Adrian [and any others wishing to join the Lifeboat Enthusiasts' Society], just send an email to John Francis the Honorary Secretary at john_francis@rnli.org.uk and he will send a membership form to you. For 18 a year you get three superb [and I mean that!] magazines [called The Newsletter] a year that are top quality in content and information. There is a modelling section in the magazine too. This will also entitle you to attend at least two meetings, normally at Chatham Dockyard in October and the LBES Midlands Meeting at Knightcote in May, where model lifeboats abound. The photo is from Knightcote this year, an end of day photocall.
Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on September 06, 2016, 06:48:59 PM
Thanks for the info re the enthusiasts society. I'll get in touch with him.
Glad too to hear about Andy's phylosophic attitude.
That's some pond.
Have a good weekend.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: captain bligh on September 06, 2016, 08:26:13 PM
Cracking photo   :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on September 06, 2016, 08:27:21 PM
Hi Kim
Thanks for the support at Broomfield and great about the money you raised for the RNLI.
I would add that Mountfleet are coming to Headcorn too.

See you there

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 10, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
Wow!! What a great day. We just about got away with the weather, not quite as bad as predicted. Tomorrow [Sunday] looks really good weather. This has to be the best 'Headcorn' yet and Phil Knell and his Team have done a really good job and there really is a Marine Village feel, while the acrobatic displays of the model aircraft 'brother and sisterhood' just have to be seen to be believed!
Well, I really want to get my jet drives in now, having seen Andy's [MbD] perform today. Those Kehrer Jet 28s really seem to do the job, as the photos here are how it went, but when we got it out of the water the jets were clogged with straw off-cuts from the hay bales!! So I left Andy cleaning them out. I'll report back on them now, tomorrow. That said, there was plenty of speed and she turns on a sixpence - but the most impressive was when he put her into reverse by dropping the reversing buckets - she pulled up in her own length! More technical data will follow, but I am impressed. Later in the day Andy and Martin [Macs Mouldings] did a power test alongside the pool to see the power of the thrust from the water-jets and even Martin had a problem [with his solid frame] holding her steady!!
It was also good to see my little 1/16th scale FCB2, which I sold to young Adam Maplesden, being back on the water and further build work done to her by him. Great to see some younger modellers having a go at the build process. You can see him on the water, while Andy prepares the Shannon.
Finally, I went to Dungeness RNLI on Friday to take some more measurements that the RNLI plans do not reveal and some other confirmation ones. I also took quite a number of shots of the small LED lighting units around the boat that illuminate the deck [three different types in all - not counting the multi unit on the rear of the telecomms mast]. During this work, ably helped by my good friend Dick, I saw a young couple taking an interest and some photos of 13-02 and seeing as the Coxswain had gone off for lunch, asked if they had been aboard one and was there anything I could do to help or explain. The answer came back that they were OK, and on holiday from Somerset and that he had ordered a Speedline Models Shannon. They had also been to Dover to see the Severn 17-09. He then said 'Are you Kim?'. 'Yes' I said bemused, it turned out it was Pipster [Phil] - what a small world. Nice to have met you both!
More next week.
Kim - Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: pipster on September 11, 2016, 01:47:17 PM
Hi Kim
Good to meet you and thanks for calling us young! I'm enjoying following your build; all looking good.
Phil
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: captain bligh on September 11, 2016, 04:25:34 PM
Hi all
Think the model looks better than the real thing  %%. But I am  biased towards the Severn class  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on September 11, 2016, 10:49:49 PM
Over on the 'other' Shannon thread I have posted a link with loads of detail photos which everyone building a Shannon is very welcome to use. I hope you find them useful.
Adrian
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 11, 2016, 11:04:14 PM
As promised yesterday, a few more photos taken at 0800hrs this morning. Andy had cleaned the 'floating straw' pieces from the hay bales out from the water jets [which await grills to help protect the water input]. He is running the motors [around 850kv - 850rpm per volt] on 14.8volt LiPos, so about 12,500 rpm]. She did seem to be going  faster - the photos speak for themselves - if I get performance from my set-up I will be well pleased. I've also included three shots of her braking, once the reversing buckets were put down - this was within her own length, impressive, just like the real boat. Likewise a couple of Andy spinning it on the spot. He also, using all four servos, the two buckets and forward / reverse was able to 'crab' it sideways, again just like the real vessel.
Throughout the day there was much interest when it went onto the water and also at Andy's stand - continuously. There was a vast crowd, and the organising group's leader [Phil Knell] told me he had counted 192 around the pool with 22 boats on the water. It really was the best Headcorn / Hop Farm Southern Model Show in my opinion. The Kent Model Boat Display Team should be congratulated for all their efforts. Some fourteen MBCs supported them in this venture. A report of the event in will follow in MMI in a couple of months under 'Meeting Point'.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 11, 2016, 11:14:16 PM
Just dug out four shots I took last August down at the RNLI HQ Open Weekend - look at the crew member hanging onto the stern rail under such braking!! Looks familiar?
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 12, 2016, 10:35:44 AM
Hi Adrian, Thanks for the Post and I'm sure folk are grateful and will use them - we all need them to support our builds. However, as you know, I do a DVD of static photos of detail and have been doing rather well on raising funds for the RNLI, who very graciously let us 'crawl all over their boats and get in the way'! I just hope that now you have Posted that offer on this 'thread' that those requests [and thereby funds for the RNLI] do not 'dry up'. Since the Shannon model builds have been going Dungeness RNLI have now had more than 600 from this revenue source, and over the past few years with Trent, Solent, Severn, Tamar, Mersey and Arun ones I have been able to send them another 700 or so. But maybe I'm jumping the gun and you are doing likewise - if so, great and the RNLI are really going to benefit from all our efforts.
Thanks, Kim [Canterbury Coxswain].
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 12, 2016, 10:39:52 AM
Sorry left a few words out in earlier Post - hope this makes more sense now!
As promised yesterday, a few more photos taken at 0800hrs this morning. Andy had cleaned the 'floating straw' pieces from the hay bales out from the water jets [which await grills to help protect the water input]. He is running the motors [around 850kv - 850rpm per volt] on 14.8volt LiPos, so about 12,500 rpm]. She did seem to be going  faster - the photos speak for themselves - if I get this performance from my set-up I will be well pleased. I've also included three shots of her braking, once the reversing buckets were put down - this was within her own length, impressive, just like the real boat. Likewise a couple of Andy spinning it on the spot. He also, using all four servos, the two buckets and forward / reverse was able to 'crab' it sideways, again just like the real vessel.
Throughout the day there was much interest when it went onto the water and also at Andy's stand - continuously. There was a vast crowd, and the organising group's leader [Phil Knell] told me he had counted 192 around the pool with 22 boats on the water at one particular time. It really was the best Headcorn / Hop Farm Southern Model Show in my opinion. The Kent Model Boat Display Team should be congratulated for all their efforts. Some fourteen MBCs supported them in this venture. A report of the event in will follow in MMI in a couple of months under 'Meeting Point'.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on September 12, 2016, 11:00:03 AM
Kim, If I were building a shannon (which I'm not) I'd say that having too many pictures is impossible.


I would still buy your DVD as well as using the free images from Adrian too.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 12, 2016, 11:08:33 AM
Spongie, totally agree [I think I covered that, it was my intention] and thanks for the encouraging feedback.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: kinmel on September 12, 2016, 11:17:30 AM
I already have Kim's excellent set of photos and have also downloaded Adrian's too.

Both sets complement the other, it would be foolish not to have them both.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 12, 2016, 12:57:23 PM
Kinmel, thanks. What with a choice of two superb models to purchase - depending on your building style approach - then all of these photos, the lifeboat section are really going to be spoilt for choice! Long may it continue.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 12, 2016, 01:44:00 PM
Just had a chat with Andy at MbD who said I had misquoted the Kv rating of his brushless motors in the photos from the weekend. They should be 600Kv x 14.8 volts, giving 8,880 rpm before load. That is important if others want to do likewise from what they have seen. I have 1600Kv motors to go in mine; it will be interesting to see what happens, however, I can always drop the voltage input to 11.1volts or even 7.4volts on the LiPo battery input to lower the rpm, should I get cavitation. Kehrer state a maximum rpm of 20,000.
Mk1 [John] in answer to your question on the Kehrer water Jet28s being used, Andy had the 'straight out of the box' configuration with their water buckets here, but he has tried his own GRP [Mk1] version which works well too, and is currently developing another for even more control and realism.
There, that's got everything up to date, just in case someone was going out to buy their motors!!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on September 12, 2016, 08:45:43 PM
Kim, I put the photos on the site to help any modellers building a Shannon. Nothing to do with money raising.
I'm sure you will still sell your DVDs.
Adrian
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 15, 2016, 11:07:14 PM
A busy start to the week with non-boat matters, but got out and did a little more today.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 18, 2016, 11:45:21 AM
Busy doing other things today, but an odd hour has allowed me to plan for the coming week and also do a little bit of research.
That's all for now - duty elsewhere calls.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 22, 2016, 12:43:32 AM
Yesterday, continued to do some work on the Shannon, getting ready for a Show this weekend where they asked for a 'work in progress' display of the lifeboat model, photographs and the drive system. The following was completed:
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 22, 2016, 01:09:23 AM
Today I decided to have a go at fitting the two bilge keels. My method was to secure with M3 grub screws [allen key fastener studding].
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 22, 2016, 01:20:11 AM
Here are the final photos for this part of the bilge keel process.
Later today I will hope to rub down the filler on the wheelhouse and then spray that and the bilge keels my favourite colour - GREY! This will mean the boat will look more like those being built down at Poole in the RNLI All Weather Lifeboat Centre! [Sorry Andy, Martin, Gary, Phil, Jeff, Kev and the rest that call me Mr. Grey!! - It was RNLI orange for a little while, thanks to Andy at MbD].
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 22, 2016, 08:41:50 PM
Today started by making the two brass 'load spreading' plates for the bilge keel's fitting inside the hull. 
Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Boats on wheels on September 22, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
Kim , don't worry about the colour , I went into Halfords today and they now do Belcher gray in their paint range :-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 22, 2016, 09:07:28 PM
This afternoon I used 280 grade and 800 grade 'wet & dry' paper to put a finish on the wheelhouse. Again I put a few drops of washing up liquid in the water to avoid the paper clogging. Then I let this dry off in the sun before giving the whole of the wheelhouse exterior a spray coat [Halfords rattle can] of plastic grey primer - now it looks like one of my models!!! I push fitted the window frames into place and maybe later might get to take the window inserts off their 'sprue'.
All of this now makes the model look a lot better for my Shannon class lifeboat display this weekend at the St. Albans Model Engineering Society Show. There will be a lot of other lifeboats on our stand and quite a few MBCs displaying too. There is usually another hall with boats in too and an outside pool, plus a large Meccano display, model railway layouts, the Tamiya Trucking team, fixed wing aircraft alongside helicopters and quadcopters, traction engines and steam locomotives on a fixed line for childrens' rides and a rolling road. There's a  'bring and buy' area and a few traders, including the local RNLI Shop. A great event, considering it is put on my a local club and we get access tomorrow from 1630hrs to set-up and on Sunday have to take the lot down by around 1830hrs!!
Well, back to my build, this should be the last of the main 'dirty' part of the build. When I get back I must seriously clear up my workshop so I can start to think about fitting the water-jets and electrics. Then will come the long procedure of making all the fixtures and fittings - something I relish in my model making. That's what the autumn and winter will be about [D.V.].
Hope you like the outcome so far.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on September 23, 2016, 03:15:03 PM
That's more like it Kim, 50 shades of grey !
17-09

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Macsmouldings on September 23, 2016, 06:28:02 PM
Now that's looking like a Belcher model. :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 23, 2016, 11:32:43 PM
Thanks Gents!!
Before I set off for St. Albans today I did actually mask and spray a little bit of COLOUR on the hull! These were where I had put a small amount of U-Pol filler on the port side top edge and also where I had smoothed off some of the mould line on the bow. I used Halfords Balliol Blue - it just blends straight in with the gel-coat RNLI blue. I'll try to remember to send a couple of shots from the Show tomorrow of our stand.
Typing this up from my 'pad' in Marlow - home for the next few days.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 28, 2016, 11:38:16 PM
Now back from a superb weekend at the St. Albans & District MES Show - the best ever! Still can't believe that a small Society like this can put on such a large Show across two days with so much variety. Some 1,500+ visited. I have attached a few photos of the stand that Jeff Carter organised and he, Gary, Kev, Phil, Lee and myself put on a large lifeboat display. Jeff had his 1/12th Speedline Trent and Atlantic '21, Gary his RNLI Lifeguard Jet-ski, Kev his small DGzRS lifeboat and an RNLI Air-boat, Phil the new Graupner Premium RTR DGzRS 'Harro Koebke' at 1/25th, Lee his 1/12th scale Brede and 1/12th scale Brede and in build Atlantic '21 and I had my MbD 1/12th Shannon, in build, with a display board with the Kehrer Modellbau Jet28s and HobbyKing Rotor Star brushless motors, Turnigy ESCs and a Shannon photographic display with the 1/14th RNLI lifeguard jet-ski and my new Shannon postcards - in all a great display and much attention from the public was given to all of the models.
On the Saturday it was great to meet 'mrzippy' [Paul] and we had a very long talk about the Shannon and the motor / water-jet set-up. He went on to say he could not believe the quality that Andy had got on the window frame insert positions on the wheelhouse sides, especially as I had not 'fettled' them at all. He was not the only one across the weekend to comment on this and it was a pity Andy was not there to hear the comments given!
Early last week Andy rang me to talk about models and I asked him how he had controlled his Shannon at Headcorn so well. He gave me the 'low down' on what I required. During the weekend I was talking to Gary who demonstrated his Futaba FX20 and said this would cover all the aspects I wanted to have on my lifeboat, including working trim planes [tabs]. A voice, from a very good friend, said over my shoulder 'I have one of those for sale - I have recently upgraded!'. On Sunday a deal was done and I am now the proud owner of a Futaba FX20 2.4Ghz - well pleased! Now I can make up a 'demonstration board' with all the functions on it to get the Tx programmed. Now that should be fun!!
This week will not see too much done on the lifeboat as I have a lot of gardening to catch up on, a mammoth tidy-up of the workshop, ready for the Autumn and Winter activities and also start my Company accounts [my accountant is already chasing me!].
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 01, 2016, 08:50:28 AM
My very good friend and Dortmund [don't mention Borussia Dortmund though!] Companion - Martin from Macs Mouldings - has recently been in to Halfords and found the very paint Gary was talking about a couple of Posts above - thanks 'gents'!!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 02, 2016, 07:58:16 PM
Went to Whitstable RNLS to pick-up a 'junior' Musto RNLI All Weather Gear clothing set and Gecko helmet on Friday, ready for a village C of E School [near Dover] talk I am giving on Thursday. Now that is just too big for the Shannon 1/12th figures! Yesterday I spent a large part of burning DVDs of photos to clear a recent run of orders.
So today, after lunch, I just spent a few hours with the RNLI Shannon plans, my laptop with its photos and some B&W photocopies of the water-jet buckets, along with the rear wheelhouse bulkhead - and I compared all of these with my own measurements taken at Dungeness of the actual boat - and there are differences, not large but in some areas significant enough for me to go with my measurements and then mark my drawings accordingly. This is still a slow part of the process, but I just want to get it as right as I can. Reading Steve Davis' [snooker player] auto biography 'Interesting' at the moment and he says 'The thrill of doing something was always so much better than the end product......the best way for anybody to achieve success in anything is to enjoy it.' I can't agree more and that is what I did and felt this afternoon, hopefully smoothing the way for some more model building later next week.
Tomorrow I'm off to Ramsgate RNLS to get the adult All Weather Crew gear for Thursday's talk - this week is going to go very fast!
Really looking forward to getting the water-jets in, but the start of that will probably be the week after next.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 07, 2016, 04:12:57 PM
Thanks to 17-09 being on hand this morning at RNLS Dover [while I was at RNLS Ramsgate returning AWL crew gear] we have two shots of the RNLS Amble Shannon 13-16 - RNLB 'Elizabeth and Leonard' where she 'overnighted' on her way from Poole to Amble in Northumberland, via Harwich and Lowestoft.
The only differences I can see from mine [13-02] and other earlier versions are:
The first photo [when enlarged] does show the concealed LED spotlights rather well in the pulpit rail structure. You can also see Dover castle up on the sky line.

Thanks 17-09, most useful. Will we get any photos from Harwich and Lowestoft?
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on October 07, 2016, 04:19:42 PM
I'm going to try and get her tomorrow morning in Lowestoft
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on October 07, 2016, 04:20:04 PM
P.s She is an afloat Shannon
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 07, 2016, 04:39:35 PM
Cheers Spongie, thanks for the info. Await possible photo.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Netleyned on October 07, 2016, 05:41:42 PM
She is coming up to Southwold as I type :-))


Ned
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Ron Rees on October 07, 2016, 06:13:07 PM
Hi Kim,
What a great read, just done all 8 pages. Send me your H/A via PM, I have a small pressie for you, may suit the new masterpiece.
 
Cheers......Ron  (Or email me it)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 07, 2016, 11:38:03 PM
Thanks, Netleyned,
Are you watching on Marine Traffic?
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Netleyned on October 08, 2016, 05:18:29 AM
Vessel Finder I use.


Ned


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: furball on October 10, 2016, 03:06:31 PM
Hi Kim.


Will you be bringing the model with you when you do your talk at Chatham on Saturday?


Cheers


Lance
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 10, 2016, 04:06:21 PM
Lance,
I wasn't going to, but it's a good idea [seeing as it is the same lifeboat!] and I will be coming with the 'large' vehicle, so can 'pop it in', along with the internal drive electrics board and my photo display. Good job someone is awake!
Have you still got the 52-02 Arun plans? If so could you bring those and I can copy them and get them back to you - that would be helpful.
Look forward to seeing you Saturday.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: furball on October 10, 2016, 05:30:25 PM
I'll dig them out.


Cheers


Lance
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 10, 2016, 11:53:26 PM
17-09 gave me a superb set of some 64 photos he took at Dover last Friday, burnt onto a CD. I have tweaked a few and put them into an order of a 'walk around'. They really are good and have shots of areas that I have not got covered on my 1,200+ photos of the Shannon, mainly as some of them are taken from above the lifeboat when he was on the quayside, this shows plates that items are bolted to, connecting wires for earthing electrical items, new 'colour' for certain items when painting and the general layout from above to compliment the RNLI plans. I attach a few here to whet your appetites. They really are taken with the modeller [that he is!] in mind.
They will be included in the sets of photos on my Shannon lifeboat DVD, however, if you have already purchased one of these - and there are an awful lot of you out there - I will send you a CD with these 64 photos [and a short video clip of the stern area with the engines ticking over and the starboard reversing bucket making a small movement] if you send me three Royal Mail 1st Class stamps on their wax backing sheet. I will put 1 in the RNLI 'bucket' for Dungeness and burn and get the CD off to you, along with a Shannon postcard. If you want just a single postcard, send me two 2nd class stamps and your address and I will send one.
Lastly, I have been sourcing items for the model, when I get a few moments in the next couple of days I will photograph them and give the sources. I then hope to start building a few items of deck furniture before I look at fitting the water-jets.
13-16 over-nighted at Lowestoft on Saturday evening and then went up to Hull where she over-nighted Sunday evening - all courtesy of Mrs. B and her Marine Traffic app.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on October 11, 2016, 07:56:53 PM
She is flying the flag of Northumbria alongside the RNLI house flag, visible in some of the photos. Just thought I would mention that..
 17-09
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: kinmel on October 14, 2016, 12:32:05 PM
I will send you a CD with these 64 photos [and a short video clip of the stern area with the engines ticking over and the starboard reversing bucket making a small movement] if you send me three Royal Mail 1st Class stamps on their wax backing sheet. I will put 1 in the RNLI 'bucket' for Dungeness and burn and get the CD off to you, along with a Shannon postcard. If you want just a single postcard, send me two 2nd class stamps and your address and I will send one.


I have just received my copy of these excellent photos, if you are building a Shannon you need to add this set to your collection

Thanks for the fast service Kim, your continuing help is much appreciated
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 14, 2016, 01:25:07 PM
Alan [KInmel], glad they arrived and are of interest. Dear old 17-09 [also an Alan], even being a 17 metre Severn man tries his hardest for us 13 and 14 metre men!! They are interesting and help to explain some other little areas of the beautiful Shannon.
Last night 13-16 seemed to still be at Hull 'marina'. Is she there for a clean down or service before going on station? 17-09 did tell me from information gleaned at Dover RNLS that the Shannons were going to be delivered to station and then be issued with a polishing kit, where the final 'shine' would be put on the boat. Now to us modellers, does that mean a full gloss finish, a gloss with a smidge of satin added, satin, or a flat matt with a spoon of gloss added? The mind boggles - so much fun and decisions in this modelling game. Some folk think it is a cinch!
A couple more observations on the 'Dover' photos:
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on October 14, 2016, 01:32:17 PM
Hi Kim,
I heard that 13-16 has an Engine problem, and needs to go back to Poole for repairs. In other Shannon news, have you seen this? :((
http://www.westbriton.co.uk/watch-the-dramatic-moment-st-ives-rnli-lifeboat-breaks-free-and-plunges-off-the-slipway/story-29796836-detail/story.html
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 14, 2016, 01:49:15 PM
Wow Charlie,
Thanks for those two Shannon related bits of news, now we are up to date.
Are you venturing up to the 'Warwick' show next month? Also, is your US Coast Guard model progressing?
When I get back from the IMBS you must come over for a chat in the workshop.
Regards and thanks for the updates,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on October 14, 2016, 04:25:47 PM
I'm planning to attend Warwick on the Friday. Not much progress to report on the Coastguard boat, hopefully i can make some progress this weekend.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 14, 2016, 04:38:34 PM
Great Charlie, I should not be far from the LBES stand - I owe you a drink, remember the Cygnets MBC Regatta and my omission of a model?!!
The enquiry into your model was only an interest and not a 'gee-up'; you know the number of shows I attend during the year and you might be pleasantly surprised by the number of people that speak very highly of your US Coast Guard cutter build [even members of the 'trade'!]. As and when, we know there are other things in life and they have to be prioritised.
Final question, are you at Chatham LBES Meeting tomorrow? I hear they have a rather good guest speaker!! [only joking - well not really!].
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 14, 2016, 11:55:59 PM
Well, like a lot of us life has been very busy with no real model [Shannon class] building taking place - gardening [that time of year], RNLI talks, Choral Society marketing matters and rehearsals. However, the model has not 'stalled', because when I have sat down to watch some sport on the old rectangular screen or even a thriller to relax at the end of the day, during any commercial breaks or boring bits I have sourced on the 'w.w.w.' and found parts required for the lifeboat model, then researched and ordered those bits. So here is a synopsis of my efforts, passing on some sites that you might want to visit for your Shannon or other project.
Therre you have it. I have not been doing nothing, just utilising some late night time to acquire what I will need later. The great thing is most are relatively small amounts [financially] when bought in small quantities, so can therefore be charged to house-keeping without being noticed - leaving the larger items to come out of the 'modelling fund'!!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 15, 2016, 12:08:05 AM
Here are the balance of photos that support my last Post. I hope they are a useful source.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 15, 2016, 12:12:31 AM
Sorry, seemed I left off the Prime-Miniatures photo.
If there is a 'bowing' in a few of the close-up shots that is because the 22m lens has slightly distorted the image at this distance.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 17, 2016, 01:46:42 PM
After my illustrated talk on the 'Luanch and Recovery of the Dungeness Shannon class Lifeboat' for the LBES at the Chatham Historic Dockyard last Saturday, I popped in to the Dockyard Model Shop as I saw the lights were still on. Thankfully Rob was there and we had a long talk. He's back at work, but not totally back to full 'strength' yet - Rob we wish that happens very soon. However, he did say he was now going to be open Wednesday through to Sunday and take Monday and Tuesday off. He had plenty of stock in and I finally tracked down some CNA glue accelerator, something two other well known model shops in Kent do not stock! I also bought a few other little items and told Rob that I would put this on my 'thread' to encourage folk back and visit him - you do not have to pay an entry fee to get in. Just state your reason and make your way to the shop at the rear of the Smithery. Good news all round.
Kim - C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 20, 2016, 05:50:15 PM
Still clearing up the dis-organised mess in the workshop  {:-{ - so time consuming, but hope to get back to the Shannon build either Saturday or Sunday this weekend. However, on tidying up today I came across the attached three sizes of braided wire [for pseudo hydraulic cables or shrouding a working Bowden cable function - say trim tabs / planes]. Each are 1 metre long and the sizes are 3mm, 2mm and 1.2mm. Very useful and they now reside in a box with the Tuner Manufactory ones above. These come from www.prime-miniatures. I have no connection with any of the above companies, just passing on items obtained for the model.
Canterbury Coxswain.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 24, 2016, 02:31:47 AM
Got into the workshop Saturday, hoping to make the staghorn bollards for the stern deck.
Some [slow] progress was made and I ordered some M2x10mm countersunk stainless steel [blackened] screws from www.accu.co.uk - not cheap, but what I want to complete the external screwing and 'blend' with the other mechanics around this area.
Maybe later today [Monday] I will go back to making the base plates for the actual staghorn bollards.
In one of the latter photos you might observe the little circular 'tidy'. It is from Sphere Products and is laser cut MDF. It is meant to be a paint brush tidy for modellers, however, it is a superb little tidy for files, scalpels and small scissors - inexpensive and I shall be purchasing another couple to keep things tidy around the work area.
Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 24, 2016, 02:39:31 AM
Sunday's photographs to back up the text above. In photo P1210630 you can just make out the milling on the left plate and the sanded smoother version on the right hand one.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on October 24, 2016, 07:43:50 AM
Hi Kim
Nice to see you back on the Shannon build still watching  :D

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 26, 2016, 07:36:56 PM
Derek, great to see you are still watching my slow build!
However, talking to Andy [Model by Design] today he told me to watch a 47second clip on YouTube posted by Alan Guest [on the 5th of October] of an MbD model purchased at the Ellesmere Port Show - wow some fast build!! It looks great and is powered by the KMB water-jets and has a fair turn of speed. It would be good to have some more details on her, she is based on the Shannon 'RNLB Nora Stachura' 13-11, based at St. Ives. Put in your search 'Shannon Model Lifeboat on YouTube' and it comes up - sorry tried to copy the URL address etc.,. etc.,. and failed!! Can anyone say where this lovely setting and pond is? This will be another encouragement to get those water-jets in, but I think the way the days seem to be rushing by that it will have to be after the 'Warwick' Show now. A great clip though and with crew on board.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: kinmel on October 26, 2016, 09:16:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxVpYWLph_Q
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 26, 2016, 10:59:23 PM
Alan,
Many thanks for your help; you have succeeded where I failed.............. <:( You will have to send me a PM, when you have a moment, to remind me what I should have done. You have made it so much easier for the Shannon crew!
Cheers,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 30, 2016, 05:59:58 PM
Spent the afternoon in the workshop doing some detail work on the water-jet plates and nozzle. This is where I will be spending my modelling days for the next five months, now it's that time of year and the clocks have changed! That said, what wonderful weather we are having here in the UK! If I refer to 'the bridge' in any of my ramblings this is the work surface I have made that joins the left work surface to the one on the right.
Well, off to watch the Mexican Grand Prix live now - let's see what tomorrow brings.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 30, 2016, 06:03:20 PM
The balance of seven photos.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: colin-stevens on October 31, 2016, 05:34:10 PM
Not sure if I have missed a trick here, but how are you going to achieve reverse, if at all?

Hope I am not being to dumb.

By the way, wonderful build.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 01, 2016, 01:32:37 AM
Hi 'G.O.S' [Colin-Stevens],
No you are not 'being dumb' - I'm going to have reversing 'buckets' that drop down and as stated on my Futaba FX20 Tx shots, these will have an instant drop down by use of one switch for when a quick braking action is required, through to independent variable control of either bucket, via the central rotary knobs and sliders, for when general slower manoeuvres  and docking are required. I am working on this mechanism [on the side] at the moment and how to programme the Tx; however, Andy has already solved this on his model, likewise the YouTube version of Alan Guest's above.
Thanks for asking and your kind comment on the build.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on November 01, 2016, 07:26:18 AM
Hi Kim
Good work on the Jet stuff but what is the angle section you have fitted
to the base of the adaptor plate?
Is it a trim tab mount ?
Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 01, 2016, 11:16:25 AM
Good morning Derek,
Yes, you are right, it is the starboard trim plane [tab] mount, as indicated in the third bullet point above and the accompanying black and white photos. Using the Kehrer Jet28s means a small compromise in the design set-up here - for the reversing buckets, nozzles and trim planes - but I hope the finished product will look pretty well correct, especially as the whole lot will be radio controlled and working.
Next [although very busy with singing in a concert at the Cathedral this weekend] will be to transpose the little cardboard cut out here onto ali sheet of 0.032" and then cut out and offer up, later trying my hand at aluminium soldering [I have the materials from CupAlloys] - this was because there was no angled ali section that would allow me to do it in one piece. This will be my first attempt and if successful I shall do the same to the staghorn bollards instead of using glues - let's hope it works!
Hope the extra shots of the actual item at RNLI Poole and their plans helps.
Soon be Warwick!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on November 01, 2016, 11:27:39 AM
Hi Kim
Thanks for the answer see you at Warwick

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Big Ada on November 01, 2016, 05:06:21 PM
Hi Kim, If you are coming to the Club Meeting Tomorrow ( Wed ) can you demonstrate Ally Soldering?.

Len, Scale Sec.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Rottweiler on November 01, 2016, 05:29:04 PM
All looking good Kim
I will have a closer look at Warwick next week.
Cheers,
Mick
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: colin-stevens on November 01, 2016, 05:43:25 PM
I fitted these jet units too my Pibber, and I drowned my Pibber on its first outing as I hadn't slowed the drop speed or motors and it literally pulled the stern under. looked good but cost me 2 new speed controllers. Got some one to programm my Tx to slow the reverse buckets and motors. Lost that function on my Tx somehow so now wont take here out. Also found that quite powerfull servos are a good thing  for the buckets and the steering due to the pressure of the water being expelled from the nozzles. took me a while to work that out as well. Quite a few servos in the bin.

Still agood build and enjoy the photos and comments.

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 02, 2016, 05:30:54 PM
Yes, G.O.S. [Colin-Stevens], I had bought the Turnigy 959 ali cased servos for that very purpose, they have a very high torque value [I still have two more on back-order], likewise the 'slim' ones to be used for the trim planes [tabs]. You also get ball raced bearings and metal gears - cost more, but cheaper and better in the long run.
You have good days and bad days, whilst some days are just there for experience and today falls into the latter!
Started off this afternoon by re-drawing the little edge piece of the starboard trim plane hinge bracket as the first attempt I over filed on the last edge [Sod's Law]. The next one came out better, so then drilled the two holes required [marking them 'just off' position - 4.5mm instead of 5mm separation - so as the middle bolt did not come on the join line of the two pieces of ali [Sod's Law again]. This is called 'modeller's license - use with caution and discretion and the model will still look right! That done, I was pleased, so decided to try my hand [first time] at aluminium soldering. Decided to start on some large pieces of scrap out of my metals box.
Well, time for dinner and then off  on a 35 mile round trip to the Model Boat Association monthly meeting, where 17-09 is the Hon. Secretary and Newsletter Editor and Big Ada is the Scale Secretary.
If all the photos do not get posted now I will finish them when I return.
Adios - C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Big Ada on November 02, 2016, 05:40:52 PM
Yipes! Kim, we don't want to burn the Pub down.  :o  {-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 02, 2016, 06:05:35 PM
Len,
Won't do this at MBA-D until I have succeeded, so no worries tonight! See you later.
Here are the balance of photos.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on November 02, 2016, 08:54:40 PM
Hullo Kim.....I do understand your quest for scale sizing and materials.....that said many modeller's would have attempted the fusion process of welding aluminium with similar results  >>:-(

The only respectable rendition I have seen in small scale was via some laser process in a controlled oxygen free environment [cost prohibitive]

Could you consider a thinner section profile of brass angle + plate & silver solder?.....or would the weight preclude such thoughts?

Derek

 
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 06, 2016, 11:55:37 AM
After my 'first love' of choral singing's event at the Cathedral last night [1,000+ audience and with the English Chamber Orchestra - ECO - engaged to accompany us, and 125 of us in the choir, along with three renown soloists, to culminate the three weeks of the Canterbury Festival] I am back to my model boats and getting ready for the IMBS at Leamington Spa [Warwick!] this coming weekend.
However, I did spend a reasonable part of Friday in the workshop. Small, but essential progress was made on three fronts:-
Derek, ['down under'] to answer your questions. I shall look into the 'fusion method' mentioned. I will try not to use brass [on this model, anyway] as I want to use actual ali, just like the real boat - where it shows. That is my intention - only time will tell. I do not want to paint the railings and stanchions or use resin cast ones. I like a challenge and something different in approach of each model. That said, the only part which I intend to make of brass is the forward pulpit rail, as this will be painted 'black' - or very close to it, maybe a hint of blue metallic!
Well, pour myself a sherry and await Sunday lunch, playing with my new [first!!] 'smart phone'. Why do we put ourselves through these pains - setting them up!!??
Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 06, 2016, 12:09:10 PM
Balance of photos attached.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 06, 2016, 12:11:48 PM
Photos 712 and 714 should have been the other way around. And yes, I did take out a little more of the area for the hinge to sit than marked.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mrzippy on November 06, 2016, 04:03:06 PM
Hi Kim,
Your progress is as fascinating as ever, the model car suppliers for dummy nuts and cables especially interesting - they stock the obscure items I've been trying to find for donkeys years.


Re your Ali soldering etc, have words with Tony Bollard on the King Lear Model Boat club stand at Warwick,
He's the builder of the huge Fairey Huntsman with twin Honda motors and all the gear box reduction drives are of Ali construction and Lumiwelded.


Tony knows lots about the art of silver smithing/soldering etc (it was the job he wanted to pursue, but became a pattern maker) a real wiz with a blow torch and always willing to help.


Regards Paul

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: furball on November 06, 2016, 07:48:10 PM
The stand is *really* nice though... Excellent engineering.  :-))

Lance
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 07, 2016, 10:55:17 AM
Paul, glad to have been of service regarding the little bits for detailing - I think it was 17-21 [Phil Locke] who put me in touch with a couple of the companies in the USA and Japan and from there it all 'blossomed' and many s and $s have been spent!! Thanks for the info on Tony's knowledge, I will make a point of buying him several coffees and discussing the subject at 'Warwick'.
Lance, thanks - only joking - but I have to keep those marvellous fella's at Chatham Historic Dockyard happy with something that resembles what holds the boats up at Poole!!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: captain bligh on November 07, 2016, 12:55:53 PM
Hi C C
Two great minds think a like  O0  going to make a stand just like yours!! I think it looks so much better and more realistic than the normal wooden ones  :-)) .All looking great to nice build.


Mike
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: T888 on November 13, 2016, 08:25:50 PM
Hi Kim,
I meet you at Warwick show Saturday , hope it all went well ? One question I meant too ask was what colour should I be painting my Shannon deck, is it a standard RNLI gray ?
Regards Dave.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 16, 2016, 07:52:07 PM
Dave,
I hope to have an answer tomorrow from the RNLI Technical Dept., as the paint appears to be a slightly new shade in gloss around the edge, that is now that I am back from the IMBS at the weekend - busy, busy!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 16, 2016, 08:38:18 PM
Yes, back from the 'Warwick' IMBS at the weekend where we had a Lifeboat Enthusiasts' Society stand, organised by the dynamic duo of John Owen and Rob Smith. In all ten of us took part in our group and we got 'third equal' Best Stand in Show with the Wickstead MBC, second was the Bourneville MBC and 1st the King Lear MBC - well done to them, they had the 1/6th scale Mersey, Talus tractor and trailer on their stand, now owned and refurbished by Martin Kinghoward.
It was a great three days and I hardly got off the stand due to the amount of interest in my Shannon display and its electrics / water-jet layout. The visitors were in three categories - those that own a Shannon [MbD] and were in build and watching this 'thread', those that wanted or were about to get their Shannon model at the Show and a few that said they were building their own from scratch from the RNLI plans. If any would like to show us where they are in their build by attaching a photo here I would be very pleased. I took orders for another seven Shannon DVDs and one for a Solent class DVD. In all I took 45 for these and the Shannon postcards I had for sale.
What was good on our stand was a new member's [Lesley] superb display of her father's 1/12th scale Solent class lifeboat built 37 years ago and now inherited by her. She has done a lot of research and incorporated this information and some photographs. This too got a lot of attention and she will be the guest speaker at the LBES West Midlands Annual Meeting at the Knightcote MBC event next May. I have attached a few shots of our stand. A nice touch was that Tony Olliff let her have a go of his 1/16th Brede class lifeboat on the pool - she made it look easy for her very first attempt in public of radio control.
Andy Griggs [MbD] was asked to demonstrate his Shannon on the pool both morning and afternoon each day, and as I was the commentator for this side of events its was good to have something different to talk about!!
It was also useful to have a talk to Tony Bollard [King Lear MBC] who offered some good advice on how I should proceed with my aluminium soldering / welding / fusion, this from a response prompted by this very thread.
It was also nice to see Martin [the main man of this wonderful site] taking more photos, sporting a new hair style and even brighter shirt than normal!!
Later I might get time to add a few shots that I took prior to attending the IMBS, getting the water-jet flanges nearer to completion.
Great to meet you all - I can't believe it has come and gone!!
Kim

PS - found these very close to the King Lear MBC stand on Friday, just after the Judges had done their job - was that why they were licking their lips?!! [Sorry Marie, couldn't resist - only joking!!].
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 17, 2016, 01:17:53 AM
As promised above, here are the last few bits I did to the Port side water-jet flange plate before going off to the IMBS.
A couple of things I forgot to mention in the last Post above about the IMBS.Well, time to sign off - we're all up to date now. There will not be much done over the next week or so as I have my Company accounts to do and get to my accountant and also a family funeral of an uncle down in the West Country. Maybe when I get back I will attempt to fit those water-jets.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 24, 2017, 05:13:24 PM
Well, it's been just over two months since I have done any serious modelling and, as reported elsewhere in these pages, due to concert rehearsals with my choral society, a seven week bout of hacking cough and then 'THE virus] - went off food and drink and had to cancel Christmas Day. During the past two weeks I have had to totally tidy up my workshop and put away all the things I've used throughout the year [without putting away!!] and likewise all the new bits purchased. Finished yesterday and am well pleased and ready to start with the fitting of the water jets tomorrow. Some may say that it is all too clean and tidy, but that is the environment I work best in and it is also a New Year, so a new start, I also do military modelling [vehicles and figures] - started with 17-09 some 18 months ago - and that I will progress one day a week and the work bench needs to be very clean and tidy for the standard required at the Faversham Military Modelling Group, to see their end products is absolutely mind boggling.
So there you have it - a Happy and Prosperous New Year to each of you and a great year of modelling achievements.
I have attached a couple of shots of the workshop [some have asked what I have when I am indoors] - you will notice what I call 'the Bridge', which gives a good work area across the middle walkway, extra space gained. I have also got my milling machine mended two weeks ago by a fellow MBA-Dover member and it was that that spurred me onto clean that and then the lathe and the tidying spread out from there!
I have also attached a few photos of bolt heads and their nuts made in plastic from Meng [mine got from Scale Model Shop] and also some made in cast resin and from Russia [ mine were from MAN Models.
Finally, I got some more advice fro CupAlloys on the soldering of aluminium whilst I was at the London Model Engineering Show last Friday and purchased their low melting point [178-270 degrees C] flux cored soft solder, so will be trying that later in the week to see if it works better that my previous attempts!
Hope to Post some more later in the week.
Kim - Canterbury Coxswain

PS - !7-09 has just informed me that 16-01 is in Dover Harbour.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on January 24, 2017, 06:21:01 PM
Hi Kim
So glad you are back posting I was getting withdraw shakes  :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
So much so I bought another lifeboat  {-) {-)
Joined the orange and blue owners.

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: baloo on January 24, 2017, 08:12:46 PM
You said it's been 2 months since you did a bit of boat building due to other commitments,I think you are still eating them 2 cakes you had at Warwick lol,but keep up the good work young man


Baloo
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: lifeboat-Lee on January 24, 2017, 10:43:25 PM
Hi Kim,
  It's true, Del's got a new lifeboat I'm still in shock as I had to ferry it back in my car after the show on Sunday  to his house.
 I sent 17-09 a picture over on FB as I knew it would make you chuckle . {-)


 Glad your on the mend and starting back  on the Shannon as I'm working on mine and came to a halt before Christmas so looking forward to getting back on with the project over the next coming months.


Lee  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on January 26, 2017, 12:49:51 PM
Hi Kim,
Like lots of others, i'm also looking forward to seeing more of your Shannon build  :-)
I spent a very cold day in Hastings yesterday watching them trial a Shannon there for the first time, using 12-12. It did fit in the boathouse - just! I have posted a video on Twitter, if anyone is interested:
https://twitter.com/CharlieB987/status/824282393255223298
I can post some pictures here if that's ok?
Charlie
PS - 12-17 should be arriving in Dover shortly!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on January 26, 2017, 12:56:05 PM
You appear to be stuck in Mersey mode!!!


13-12 & 13-17 ;)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on January 26, 2017, 01:38:04 PM
You appear to be stuck in Mersey mode!!!


13-12 & 13-17 ;)


Lol! Yes, those are the numbers i meant. Think my brain is still frozen from yesterday. It was so cold that the mist/fog was actually freezing on the lens of my camera!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Howard on January 26, 2017, 02:19:15 PM
Just a heads up gents a new sharron Lifeboat going to Skegness on Saturday Just been on local news


                       Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on January 26, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
Hi Howard,
Yes, that would be 13-17, the new Skegness Lifeboat, on her way home. Currently in Newhaven as per MarineTracker.
Charlie
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: minimariner on January 26, 2017, 04:24:37 PM
Skegness Shannon Lifeboat 13-17  Joel and April Grunnill  arrives around 13.00Hrs on
Saturday according to Mark Holley Station Mechanic.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 26, 2017, 04:26:48 PM
I knew I was missing something in my life - all these MBM moments!!
Derek - I had heard you were back in orange and blue mode - I trust it is the correct BS / Pantone shade of orange!! Sorry 17-09.............................
So glad that you will no longer have the shakes though, that places the responsibility back on me!
Baloo - Many thanks for your Christmas card - is was the first one to arrive! That must have been down to your lovely wife ... [rhymes with Baloo!!] - she is so different to you. Will I ever forget the cake for the 'judges'? I shall try it myself later this year.......................
Lee - glad you are still able to help the old and infirm, pity you don't live nearer me!
Charlie - Thanks for the information - please feel free to post some photos on this thread, it will be most welcome. As for the getting the pre-fix numbers wrong - join the club. When 17-09 spoke of 16-01 the other day I thought it was a Shannon. When a photo of a Tamar at Dover came my way yesterday on an email, I thought, what is he up to! Then realised it was me - ugh. Good job Spongie and Howard are out there, to keep us on the straight and narrow.

A little bit of information to go with the previous shots of plastic and resin bolt and screw heads.
Set A Large covers 1.8mm / 2.2mm / 2.6mm [six double rows of each = 35x2x6 = 420 heads of each of the afore-mentioned three sizes, which are measured across the flats.
Set B Large covers the same measurements and numbers, but have washers under the heads and nuts.
Set A Small covers 0.8mm / 1.00mm / 1.4mm [six rows of each = 40x2x6 = 480 heads of each of the three sizes.
Set B Small covers the same measurements and numbers, but have washers under the heads and nuts.
Set C has 1.3mm / 1.5mm / 1.7mm circular rim with an 'allen key' insert hole - same numbers as in Set A Large above.
Set D has 0.8mm / 1.0mm / 1.4mm circular rivets with similar numbers - the spikes tops on the other side are 1.3mm / 1.5mm / 1.7mm

The MasterClub resin bolt head on washers are 1.6mm for 100 items - code MC435069 with MC435079 being the same but nut on washer for other side. The spherical rivets are 1.8mm for 100. There are other sizes, but these suit one of my models. Look at MAN Models website.

Hope to be posting yesterday's little bit of forward progress in marking up the transom area for the fitting of the water-jets later on tonight.

Kim




Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on January 26, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Here is a small selection of photos from Yesterday's Shannon trials at Hastings.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 26, 2017, 10:20:59 PM
Charlie,
Many thanks, those are some really great photos and plenty of detail for some of the stern/transom information required. I must get down there sometime soon to have a look at her and see if there are any small differences [think I have spotted one - the circular hatch lock down mechanisms on each corner appear all black/NATO black - very dark grey].
If you get more, do feel free to post them here.
Don't forget I owe you a visit here - so while the workshop is tidy and the machines are working..........
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 26, 2017, 11:27:30 PM
Got the RNLI plans out yesterday and made a small start - took several hours, but it is going to be one of those 'measure THREE times and then cut' jobs, as I have never put water-jets in before, so want to get it right first time. There is more to rectify here [over my two shaft and props boats - in my opinion] if I get it wrong. Please, if you are building a Shannon alongside my build, and you don't agree with the way I am doing it, then ask why I am doing it and/or do what you feel best!
Now I have a full set of the RNLI plans and then a set I have had enlarged, so that I am working from a 1/12th scale set. That way I measure and make, rather than measure, calculate and make. For me the latter leaves one open to a lot more chances of making a mistake. Here is what I did:
Not a lot, but it all took time - 'gently, gently catchy monkey'. The trouble with tidying up is you forget where all the tools and other items have gone and I spent ages looking for the 'allen' screwdriver of the right dimension to undo the water-jet plates that had been assembled for the LBES display board on my stand area at Warwick!
I might not get much more done in the next few days as I spent four hours rehearsing with another second bass here today, readying for our Concert this Saturday evening when the main item on the programme is Carl Orff's 'Carmina Burana', sung in Germanic Latin and in places at great speed. A full rehearsal Friday evening and again Saturday afternoon. Stops me getting bored. Then there are all the other five pieces by Percy Grainger and Benjamin Brittan - hey ho.
C.C.







Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on January 27, 2017, 07:15:28 AM
Hi Kim
Fitting those water jets is an interesting job I have fitted them to 2 boats in the past
but in the old days you used to get a cutting template to fold round the stern of the hull.
which made it easy.
The life boat I bought is a 37-35 Rother class which was based at Dungeness too.
It is a very well made model.
I have been doing small bits for the A L R too but I have been laid up with the same
chest infection thing as you since the 5th of December just getting to normal.

See you soon

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Ron Rees on January 27, 2017, 11:42:42 AM
Hi Kim,


Nice to see you back....missed you, Mind you I know how busy this time of year can be, been making all the special effects, magic tricks, set pieces and some costumes for Jenny's latest Pantomine 'The Sword in the Stone' very good it is as well. Plus we've also had the dreaded cold/cough, so haven't really got much done except making a small Vacuum Former to do the visors for the 1/12 RNLI helmets.


It's only 4 inches square but with the mould made can pull 9 of them in clear polycarbonate each time. I'll do the 1/24th and 1/16th moulds as well soon.


Been playing with spray Polyurethane foam, working on an idea to build hollow 1/24th hulls of the Severn initially, so its an outside master mould with an inner 'inside mould' suspended inside it to give a shell of hard PU foam 5/8th (15mm) thick. The surfaces are coming out really smooth but will need to be skinned and resined over for strength........All good fun but a bit messy at this stage. If the idea works I can make a hull in about 15 minutes! Trust me to try something different.


Cheers....Ron Rees.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 01, 2017, 11:24:47 PM
Ron,
Sorry to hear both you and Jenny have had the 'dreaded' too. Glad the Panto went well, please give her my regards and a reminder that I hope she gave you quite a lot of 'Brownie Points' for all the help and expertise you gave her!!!!! I lost the ones I was carrying over from 2016 to 2017 when I passed on the 'dreaded' to my wife!
You seem to have been very busy on the modelling front too. I hope to have a go at painting one of your RNLI 1/12th heads soon, once a DVD has arrived from a very eminent airbrush professional that 17-09 and I have got to know over the past year. This will be a new approach for me, so we'll see what happens.
Down here in Buckinghamshire at the moment as family duties have called and I'm helping an ageing aunt.......hope to get back for the weekend to carry on with the water-jet fittings. I will now attempt to follow this post with an update of the little I did last Saturday, between rehearsals for the Concert - it went very well and was a sell out with a standing ovation at the end, well worth all the effort.
Cheers, Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 02, 2017, 12:41:45 AM
With my build we have to remember that I am using the commercially available Kehrer [KMB] Modellbau WaterJet28s, which are not dedicated to the Shannon, but I am planning to make mine as near as I can get them to the real machine. What does that mean?
So, last Saturday for an hours relaxation between the Concert rehearsals I achieved the following:-Done! Step back and admire - only to now realise that I have not allowed for the 2mm thickness of the fibre glass hull! Not to worry [I hope], the water-jet plates already marked up with their respective hinges are as on the real boat, so need to stay here. This weekend I will:Watch this space................ [Yes Delboy, this is going to be fun - but it's just a hobby, not life and death! Remind me of that when I have botched it, please].
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 02, 2017, 12:54:08 AM
Could Martin ['im with the colourful shirts - as at 'Warwick'] or any other reader please inform me how I can turn the penultimate photo in the last post up the right way, even at this late stage? It started out the right way up on my computer.
Many thanks,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on February 02, 2017, 01:58:04 AM
Hullo Kim....it always amazes  %)...all of the materials are of the 300 Series stainless steels, on non corrosive synthetics :-))......then they place a $2.00 aluminium material locking ball  <*< over a flange tube set?

Or is there some design advantage/purpose here that I do not understand?.......Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: furball on February 02, 2017, 06:55:13 AM
That's one of the many zinc sacrificial anodes on the boat.


Lance
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on February 02, 2017, 07:28:02 AM
Hi Kim glad you have got over you nasty illness and now back working on the Shannon. With reference to your setting out of the water jets outlets above
I see you have put them in the centre of the plate were on the real one they are off centre towards the bottom. This might become a problem if you are going to try and put the nozzles on like the real one?. With ref to the trim tabs I thing both work together I might be wrong.

Cheers John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Netleyned on February 02, 2017, 08:35:07 AM
Hullo Kim....it always amazes  %) ...all of the materials are of the 300 Series stainless steels, on non corrosive synthetics :-)) ......then they place a $2.00 aluminium material locking ball  <*< over a flange tube set?

Or is there some design advantage/purpose here that I do not understand?.......Derek


Think you will find they are sacrificial anodes Derek.


Ned
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on February 02, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
How silly  :D of me not to twig to this....thanks Lance & Ned

[However the following is a little confusing as the tube & any fabricated brackets as shown in the build would I believe be AISI Grade 316 and the structural bolts Grade 304 and these both being austenitic in themselves or individually do not rust....however both of these Grades of stainless steel will corrode when subjected to high levels of chlorine/chloride at elevated temperatures]

Derek
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiD3u68tfHRAhUGrJQKHZzYDIQQFggoMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.penflex.com%2Fchloride-chlorine-levels-and-stainless-steel-alloy-selection%2F&usg=AFQjCNFuoJ-eZhHAAs8dI4uKcU6DBSsE8Q

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Courtesy of ASSDA

The stainless steels, including 304 and 316, are more positive than zinc and steel, so when stainless steel is in contact with galvanised steel and is wet, the zinc will corrode first, followed by the steel, while the stainless steel will be protected by this galvanic activity and will not corrode. The rate of galvanic attack is governed by the size of the potential difference.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Netleyned on February 02, 2017, 01:34:12 PM
Whoops, just looked back and found Lance
Had already pointed out the anodes.
Must read prior posts in future :embarrassed:


Ned
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 02, 2017, 03:20:23 PM
Yes, Lance and Ned are right Derek. They are sacrificial anodes that 'dissolve' with the creation of static electricity and waterflow when there are different types of metals in the build. You will notice that there are aluminium alloys and stainless steel used in both the various water-jet components and also the relevant plates and their bolts. Hence the anodes gradually corrode as they have the least resistance, thus leaving the main fabricated items alone. The bolt on anodes are then replaced every six to nine months, I am told, when the boat is left immersed, but less frequently when the boat is removed from the water for periods - as with most of the Shannon fleet, but not all. Derek, I am sure you knew all of this, but I have now included it for others joining in the 'read' of this build. I have also been told there are more than forty sacrificial anodes in total on both the water-jets and their operating components [I will hope to get this clarified, but have added a picture showing a few more on the Starboard side].
Derek, on another small point that would be helpful with my presentation here, how do you add that 'red circle'? Which programme provides it? If I have it, maybe I will then use it, but you might have a more sophisticated software package.
John [Mk1] - I have just had another look at your marvellous scratch built 1/12th Shannon. Now you have mentioned my water-jet configuration - I have commented on my approach at the introduction of those photos, as I am using the Kehrer ones. Didn't you too? If so how did you get your water-jet nozzles in an eccentric position?

Hopefully I will be home later this evening, from my sojourn in Buckinghamshire, and back in the workshop tomorrow.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on February 03, 2017, 12:27:55 AM
Hi Kim this is a photo of how I done my jet back plate as I do not have a milling machine I just used a blank piece of brass. I am looking to try and fix this on the next one. You can see how I altered the top of the nozzle so I could use rods rather than cables to turn it. I will say there are a lot of problems in trying to get the proper shaped hood / nozzles to work in reverse after building about 4 different size ones I can now get it to go backwards quite well. More on this subject later.


John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on February 03, 2017, 12:33:05 AM
Hi should have sent 2 photos.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on February 03, 2017, 02:09:22 AM
Morning Kim.....you have a PM on the simple creation of RED circles from Windows.....

Many years ago, we studied the electrochemical series of metals & the galvanic consequences  >>:-( of such potential between different metals

I am surprised to see so many small anodic round blocks attached to the 'lowerable cover hood and the nozzle' for the jet drive, I would have assumed these to be a castings from an exotic material, however considering the operating conditions it would not be from the Grade 300 stainless series and they would certainly be hardened and heat treated

This is an interesting build & thankfully you will not need  ;D functional real, but scale galvanic protection

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: craggle on February 03, 2017, 02:00:54 PM
Hi Kim

Shannon build looking great and good to watch the progress even if I don't comment quite so often these days, I'm still watching.

My Severn build is kind of on hold at the minute but looking into moving house soon and getting a place with a double garage, room for the Cobra and a boat building workshop is essential so I hope to be able to continue my build later in the year without the worry of sanding dust and glues in the living room.

Keep up the updates and keep in touch if you have any events planned in my area.  :-)

Craig.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 03, 2017, 03:26:31 PM
Good afternoon each.........
John - thanks for adding the photos. I notice you have pivoted your water-jets with an axis at 90 degrees to the horizontal, whereas I am going trying to copy the actual boat and have them pivoted at 90 degrees to the underside of the hull at the transom - as per the plans in the photo above. I will post a photo, unfortunately I have not 'mastered' the technique given to me by Derek overnight, but I hope to crack that once the Southern Hemisphere fraternity have awoken in a different day!
Derek [down-under] - Thanks for the information requested, I have sent over an hour trying all sorts of permutations and it just will not work or give me what you say. I am on Windows 8.1. Could you give me the steps as offered - a PM is on its way - thanks.
Craig - good to hear from you. I heard you are very busy with work at the moment and now a house move too! I have not been able to book an outing on the Severn at Newhaven yet, but have not forgotten the two of you. Are there any dates to avoid [for if I get a choice]? I notice your 'avatar' is of 17-21, likewise mine on the flying bridge helming her. Glad you are still following; must meet up some time when convenient, especially as there is no Brighton Show this year.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: craggle on February 03, 2017, 03:49:24 PM
Hi Kim, Hope you are well

Yes, shame the Brighton show didn't happen this year, was a good show. Will have to wait till Alfold or Sumners for a show I guess.

Would still love to go out on the Severn if it's at all possible. I have a holiday booked mid March but other than that, free as far as I know.

House move is something I've been planning with the other half for a while now but following a very positive valuation last night of my property, I think it will be going on the market in March sometime then we'll look for another place after it has sold and everything's cleared. Big step in life but has to happen sometime I guess. Never a good time with work though, always busy here it seems.

Sure I'll see you around the shows in the year but keep in touch if anything comes up.

Cheers

Craig.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on February 04, 2017, 12:52:47 AM
Hi Kim yes my jets  do pivot on the horizontal when I started the build I looked at keeping them on the same axial as the underside of the hull but wondered if when you pivot the jet would the water start to shoot upwards and loose some of its force as it would be very near the surface so went this way to try and get the best from the jets but not correct as the proper ones they work quite well in forward and reverse it was all trial and error. The water jets on the real boat  look down at a 5 degree angle which helps keep the nozzle down below the surface. I am going to due the right way on the one I am now building I will then see if there is any difference in the way the jets perform. Will try and phone you later today.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 06, 2017, 02:35:38 AM
Houston, we have lift-off!
When I took early retirement from my 'forensic' work, I was asked to do some work for the National School of Government [and two other Companies] delivering Project Management training to all Government Departments, Quangos and other independent 'bodies' throughout the UK. The methodology used was PRINCE - Projects in Controlled Environments. Saturday and Sunday's work was like that - a controlled environment! The use of my Proxxon electric screwdriver came into its own. This has a small Jacobs metal chuck and can be controlled to a very low rpm usage.
Here is what I did in making the initial steps to fit the Port side water-jet:
Later today [I'm sitting writing this as I watch the 51st Superbowl which will end around 0400hrs. Score at the moment being New England Patriots 9 - Atlanta Falcons 28. This is a pity as I am backing the NEPs and yesterday my two Premier League teams Chelsea and Manchester United both won!] I will use the same procedure and cut and fit the Starboard water-jet.
It was good to have John [Mk1] the builder of two really nice 1/12th scratch built Shannons phone on Saturday and we had a long chat, exchanging ideas and experiences on these model lifeboat builds.
Hope this all makes sense! I will Post the supporting photos in two batches.

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 06, 2017, 02:46:28 AM
The rest of the photos, as promised. Meanwhile with just five minutes to go in the 51st Superbowl, the New England Patriots have fought back with the skills of Tom Brady. NEPs 20 - AFs 28!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 06, 2017, 02:52:08 AM
Sorry, the last Post should have had the first photo as now here [not the one Posted], it shows the 'impressed' markings of the screw heads on the back of the plate. I'll put it down to the time 0250hrs!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 06, 2017, 03:36:02 AM
Just witnessed Superbowl history - a draw of New England Patriots 28 versus Atlanta Falcons 28 at the end of Full Time. Therefore, the first time ever that a Superbowl Final went to sudden death in extra time [Overtime] and Tom Brady [No.12] made it happen to complete a touchdown - NEPs 34 v. AFs 28!!!!! That was at 0326hrs. What a last 24hrs.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on February 06, 2017, 04:59:13 AM
Kim...I am familiar, comfortable & have used a similar... PRINCE - Projects in Controlled Environments for our Australian Department of Defence ;D

Could you please confirm the manufacture detail for the complete resilient drive shafts couplings.......[should one 1/2 or a hub element as shown not be rotated ~~180 degrees? O0]

Have not received a PM yet with your land based e-mail address

Derek

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 07, 2017, 03:10:52 PM
Just to say, many thanks to all those that have sent PMs over the past few weeks - they have been both helpful and encouraging.
Firstly, it was good to have had a very long chat on the phone on Saturday with John [Mk1] regarding various aspects of the Shannon build, remembering that he was the first on these pages to show a 1/12th scale model Shannon build [and it was all scratch built!] and he's now on his second one. Also my thanks to Derek [Decoy] 'Down Under' who has patiently shown me how to make my photos more focused with the use of the coloured circles around the salient points. I have not been the best of pupils, but think I have now cracked it! Hence I will 'show off' with a couple of previous photos, just to enhance what I was talking about - plus a little extra.
Secondly, John pointed out the difficulty there is in taking off the larger plastic hex heads and bolts from the cards they are attached or moulded into. They are not like the loose ones or those that come on a sprue [like the Airfix kit parts]. I had a go and found he was right, but I moved my chisel blade around a 180 degree shape under the washer - two did not work, but the second two I reversed the blade back up the right way and it worked. Then I pushed each bolt head onto my finger tip and rubbed it across 800 wet and dry paper [dry] and this neatened the bottom of the washer. Yes, fiddly, but if you need to do a lot them it is a cheaper method - you just need copious amounts of PATIENCE.
Thirdly, looking ahead I have purchased some aluminium square section tube from MACC Model Engineering Supplies Ltd in Macclesfield. These were 1/8" 3/32nds" 5/32nds" 3/16ths 7/32nds and 1/4" external dimensions. As you can see they sleeve into each other. One of the things I am aiming to do is hide my water pick-up scoop face in the front bevel of each under hull support protusion where the transom rests on the launch carriage.
Fourthly, I have now drawn a yellow circle round each of the bolt head impressions on the masking tape - there are three, four and one going left to right.
Lastly, a couple of photos of where I got to yesterday with the Starboard dry fit of the water-jet. I just now have to work on the plates and finalise it. Exactly the same process used as on the Port side.
Well, there you have it. This should have been Posted in the early hours of the morning, but my IP just seemed to 'pull the plug' last night when I wa adding the photos and I lost the lot!! [Likewise my BBCi Player and ITV Hub etc.,.]. There should have been another heading here [making six], but I cannot remember what is was on the re-type.
I hope it all works this time - fingers crossed.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on February 08, 2017, 09:58:11 AM
Hi Kim
Good job on fitting the water jets nice and neat as always.

Regards

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 08, 2017, 11:55:01 PM
Thanks Derek. Mind you, your 1/12th Waveney was very neat too.
Made some progress today in the following ways:
If I get enough time tomorrow afternoon I will probably glue the water-jets to the hull.

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 10, 2017, 12:08:58 AM
More progress made today, but not necessarily in the direction that I had planned.
Firstly, I noticed that the areas behind the outer edges of the trim tab plates had been overlooked and will need filling in the near future - just like the real boat.
I mention next that I plan to use the 100% waterproof Gorilla glue for the first fix of the water-jets, which I bought at B&Q. It was not cheap, but I have used it on a number of small items so far and am impressed by its strength. Do bear in mind that one surface has to be treated with a light application of water and that the process causes the glue to expand by 3 to 4 times its original size. More on this when I apply it in the actual build process.
The rest of the afternoon went like this:
A reminder at this stage - please remember to watch the Health & Safety issues with both the acetone [nail varnish remover purchased at Boots the Chemist] and also the Gorilla glue. Both the effect on the external skin and the lung linings [from the vapours] can be quite extreme, if cautions on the product containers are not heeded.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on February 10, 2017, 12:50:10 AM
Hi Kim looking good  on the bit about [aiming to do is hide my water pick-up scoop face in the front bevel of each under hull support protusion where the transom rests on the launch carriage] I like this idea been looking but did not think of this area. Are you going to use both of them for the motors if so what about the ESC some of these are water cooled were would you put these pick-ups. Have been in touch with Andy and have bits coming

Cheers John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 10, 2017, 01:19:16 AM
Cheers John,
The water pick-ups will be used for the watercooled ESCs I have, see the early pages here where there is a photo. The brushless motors are for helicopters, so have a a built in fan [I'm told!] that should cool them a little, but will make a 'whine'!!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on February 10, 2017, 01:39:33 AM
All looks sharp as usual CC...& I love the yellow highlights  %)

Just one concern is the use of the Polyurethane ''Gorilla Glue" in this application......I acknowledge such glues when used on porous surfaces such as wood result in that 100% water proof joint in that the wood will rot in water & finally decompose & the cured glue is intact

So with your application, you will be relying in the glue adhering to roughened synthetic surfaces, however no chemical reaction will occur apart from the foaming..........Polyurethane glues will not adequately adhere to synthetic surfaces

Having said this, a full matrix of 1.5 mm diameter holes in the square footprint of the water jet body in the hull would allow the Polyurethane glue to penetrate the holes & form the matrix of strengthening keys

A further consideration could be to install identical sized footprint wooden reinforcement plates in the hull......if these were also roughened, would allow the Polyurethane  glue to penetrate the matrix of holes & adhere to the wooden substrate

Derek 
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 11, 2017, 02:42:07 AM
Hi Derek,
Did like your little 'innocent' emogi!!
Thanks for the information. Rightly or wrongly I have gone with the Gorilla Original glue for two reasons:
I have to say, it feels very secure, before the 2. stage has been done. I did take you good suggestion, though, and drilled out with a ball end mill little hemi-spheres, to provide the extra grip around the water.-jet inlet aperture surface.

* To anyone following this 'thread' and using it for their own build, please do not follow this 'blindly', but make your own preferred decision. For me this is a 'test' approach to a new product for me - I just hope it works. The reason being that on some of the occasions I have used Araldite, it has been given a sharp knock and that has released the bond, leaving me with two items one now having a flat almost mirror like surface, hence my trial of a 'new' product.

I hope to Post today's photos and progress tomorrow evening.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 12, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
Well, there is a God!! When I came to fix the water-jets in place I was concerned on getting them both at 90 degrees to the transom, but at the same time parallel to each other and the the bilge keels. I took off a side bench a square engineers' parallel and laid it in the keel 'slot' at the bottom of the hull, then grabbed another one - smaller and chunkier - and laid this against the first and together they were spot on to the lines I had already drawn from the plans!! So I laid the Starboard water-jet against this and all was perfect to glue the unit in place, before later using resin and glass fibre tape to further reinforce [a belt and braces approach]. The following photos will now show the fitting of the Starboard unit then the Port one.
Just a few pointers to go with the photos and if there seem to be a lot of them, both here and throughout the thread, that is to be of help to those that are building the same model and say they are finding this approach useful [from a few PMs received - thanks].
17-09 turned up shortly after this and said how nice it looked - 'pity one seems out of line though', what a little joker he is! It did make me look though!! That said, I did keep measuring the gaps and checking the lines already drawn onto the hull through the process above, just to make sure nothing had got knocked or moved.

That's a first for me in model boats - fitting water-jets. I am pleased with the result and hope to 'glass' the units in later today.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 12, 2017, 12:30:31 PM
More photos for the process outlined above.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 12, 2017, 12:32:07 PM
The final photo.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 13, 2017, 12:11:27 AM
This afternoon was the time to now 'glass in' the two water-jet units, seeing that the 'Gorilla' glue had had twenty four hours to cure. I was going to use the Isopon Fastglas resin and hardener that I had used in the earlier pages of this build. 17-09 sponsored the brushes to achieve this! My only concerns were:-
The very first thing I did, though, was to drill a centre hole in each of the scribed water-cooled exhaust outlets, before I forgot and then found I had removed the masking tape and would have to measure and scribe them again.

I then proceeded with the following:-
All went reasonably well and I cleaned the brush each time with cellulose thinner, supplied by Elwyn Baker [given to me with lost of other model boat bits when he emigrated 'down under' to Melbourne a few years back], so still have two to use, while I await a supply via e-Bay.
Tomorrow I will attempt to cut out the two water-jet inlet apertures on the underside of the hull.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: craggle on February 13, 2017, 08:43:53 AM
Hi Kim

If you ever need a slower curing resin take a look at this from Easycomposites.
http://www.easycomposites.co.uk/#!/resin-gel-silicone-adhesive/epoxy-resin/EL2-epoxy-laminating-resin.html (http://www.easycomposites.co.uk/#!/resin-gel-silicone-adhesive/epoxy-resin/EL2-epoxy-laminating-resin.html)
I'm using it with the slow cure resin on my Severn build and you have a good hour, possible 2 hours to play with it before it starts to cure.

Craig.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: TimpdonG on February 13, 2017, 07:20:50 PM
Kim,


I have been following this thread for months now, as I build my own Shannon, and your CD of photographs has been invaluable. I can not proceed with the hull, as it needs painting next and the weather is too cold, so I transferred effort to the cabin.


You may be interested in my interpretation of the cabin interior. It is designed as a free standing unit, slots into the deck well and butts up to the inside of the superstructure.


GeoffG
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 13, 2017, 11:22:07 PM
Craig - many thanks for that invaluable link. The EL2 will be ordered in the next couple of days as the AT30 package. This is going to help a lot of folk following this 'thread' and passing the information on to others. Appreciated.
GeoffG - Glad the photos have been useful, makes it all worthwhile. You have certainly put them to good use, that is a seriously very neat looking scratch built interior for your Shannon - well done. The illuminated screens look good. Did you use 'grain of wheat' or LED for the back-lighting? Which RNLI Station's Shannon are you making?

Well, thanks gents. If there are any others out there who have made a start, do please feel free to post them on this 'thread' - plus any tips, what has gone well and maybe even what has not!!

I shall now endeavour to edit today's photos of the build and Post them here.
Thanks again for the interest.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on February 14, 2017, 07:31:16 AM
Hi GeoffG nice to see another build of a Shannon I was beginning to wonder if there were other people out there building one. I like the look of the inside very nice keep up the postings.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on February 14, 2017, 12:43:42 PM
I think you have made a great job of the interior. I have just read through this thread for the first time in ages and I am most impressed with what I see. The jet drives particularly interesting for me just now. This looks like its going to be a super model when its all done and dusted.
Adrian




Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: TimpdonG on February 14, 2017, 05:19:39 PM
Thanks all for the kind words on the cabin interior.


Kim, my boat will be 13-66, "Timpdon Lifeboat" - that way nobody can say "The real one was not like that". I have not chosen a name yet.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the cabin screens are not back lit, just paper prints and varnish over the top.


My hull is now masked waiting for a fine day so that I can start painting [outside]. It is the eternal problem. Once I fit the deck I can not get at quite a bit of the insides if changes are needed. So I need to ballast and sail her before then. But I can not fit the working bits of the jet drives and the metal hull skids until the hull is painted... and so it goes on.


All of the control system and electronics are designed, built and tested, so I am confident that all motors and servos are working correctly and calibrated. The radio system is a custom 2.4 GHz system designed and built by myself - Electronics is my primary area of expertise. The photo shows the transmitter.


When I can finally get the hull painted, I will get the jet drives fully working, refit all of the innards, sort out the ballasting and test sail her. Only then will I fit and complete the deck. Then I can paint and finish the superstructure with the mast and the rest of the fittings.


GeoffG
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mrzippy on February 14, 2017, 07:34:30 PM
Hi Kim,

Great to see the build progressing and very interesting reading, I would like to add a small comment about my own experience
with Easycomposites slow cure resin,  used in February 2016 (and cold weather is relevant).

I skinned the outside of my Balsa hulled paddle steamer with EL2 and 100g glass cloth,
the long working time was a great benefit, but the long curing time (3 days left indoors and still tacky) was a suprise.

I contacted a more than helpful technical guy at Easycomposites HQ in Stoke - made a refreshing change !
he advised lots of warmth to help with drying during winter months,
and went into great detail about how the resin absorbs water whilst drying??.

I didn't have the heart to tell him my hull had been resting against a hot radiator for three days
and was barely dry enough, to begin to think about paint prep, felt sticky like a post-it-note,
but eventually dried and Halfords best did the rest, hope this may be of interest.

regards Paul
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 15, 2017, 01:09:13 AM
I've been called away on 'family matters', so a day late in Posting this.
Adrian - good to see that you are back.
GeoffG - well that fooled me! I took several looks and still think they are illuminated - but you should know. Still a wonderful interior, but an even better 2.4gHz set-up - now that really is clever and extremely neat. Good job you are not too near me, otherwise I would be 'worrying' you for so many little bits of technical wizardry!!
Paul - thanks for the resin experience and input, I am sure that will be a help to a number planning to do their own 'laying up', however, I must say I would not advocate putting anything next to a radiator - it could dry it out too fast and might even warp it [both the wood or the resin hull]. That's why, I believe, the professionals state that a hull is still 'green' up to six months after it has been 'laid up' and 'pulled' from the mould. So it's always worth checking as the months proceed - keep it supported and laid flat so that it can dry 'normally' with no undue pressures - there are ways of correcting this should the unthinkable happen. Just to say my two areas around the water-jets have gone off well and are not 'tacky' to the touch.

I have again put a good number of sequential photos here to show the progression of my process for removing the underside of the hull and the apertures for the water- intake area. The steps taken were:
Well, I hope that all makes sense and is useful to someone. You will notice that towards the end I used correcting fluid to take away the wrongly drawn black line, it was interfering with my spacial awareness.
C.C.


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 15, 2017, 01:24:27 AM
Here are the final photos for the process above.
This whole process needs to be done a little at a time, constantly feeling the ledge / edge being created and removing the masked tape that sticks up, just so you really can see what you are doing. Remember, this was a first for me and I really do hope the next one goes as well! My advice, just do not hurry it.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on February 15, 2017, 08:30:47 AM
Hi Kim
Nice job on cutting out the intake are you going to put a grid
over the intakes to stop stuff being sucked into the drives ?

Regards

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 15, 2017, 10:59:34 AM


All of the control system and electronics are designed, built and tested, so I am confident that all motors and servos are working correctly and calibrated. The radio system is a custom 2.4 GHz system designed and built by myself - Electronics is my primary area of expertise. The photo shows the transmitter.



GeoffG

Hi Geoff,

I am in AWE over your transmitter, as I expect others will be when they see this.

That is really impressive and  'Just the job'  for fellow boaters.  It's something I've always wanted to do myself and  'may'  copy this myself one day. I should imagine this will be of great interest to members.     :-))     :-))

Well done on a great idea.

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 16, 2017, 12:09:33 AM
Hi Derek,
Yes, I am planning to make them as per the real item on the boat, with a plate either end that screws into place and then has parallel bars spaced across the width, but running bow to stern. Now I have had the milling machine repaired I aim to mill these out in aluminium and shape the 'blades. Only time will tell how successful I have been. Remember, Andy G. did have a problem with the bits of straw that were floating in the pond at Headcorn, as his intakes were 'open' at the time. Likewise a few years back now, at the Beale Park show the wind had blown the little leaves of a larch tree, or similar, and every time the wind blew across the pond they came away from the edge and fowled everyone's boats - it only happened the one year. So the short answer - yes.
Are you fully fit now? We didn't get to speak much at 'Ali Pali' did we?
Cheers,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on February 16, 2017, 01:13:55 PM
Hi Kim
Knee is coming along nicely thank you but I wont be running the London Marathon
this year  {-)

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: colin-stevens on February 16, 2017, 05:30:47 PM
I found that when i did my Pibber(kehrer jet driven) I needed to put in something to stop ingress of pond debris. I used brass rod x 3 length ways across each inlet.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on February 16, 2017, 05:59:06 PM
Hi Kim
I think when I used these drives I used 3 wires lengthways
over the hole like Colin is saying.
I feel if you make the grids scale like the ones in the picture
you will restrict the water flow through the jets to much and will
reduce the performance of the boat.
Most of the muck and flotsom in the ponds we use is not scale remember.
and I found 3 X 1.2mm wires was more than enough to stop muck getting in the drives.

Hope this helps.

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 17, 2017, 11:57:54 PM
Colin and Derek,
Thanks for your thought on the 'grills'. To start with when I give it its first outing I will have no grills on, just to see what the unfettered thrust is like. Later I will add the 'near scale' versions and see what that is like. I will then refine - if required. Remember, the thickness of the seven  bars on the real vessel will be slightly thinner than scale on my model and the leading edges [fore and underneath] have a 'sharpened' edge. Also the whole unit is lower at the bow pointing end and angled up towards the stern facing end, even to the point that the end plate is an external hull surface fit. Different! Hope the first 'on water' test will be around the end of March, once the initial electrics and servos board has been designed and fitted.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 18, 2017, 12:23:35 AM
Now, I was not going to Post the Starboard water-jet outlet process and photos, as it was to have been the same as the Port side. However, I decided to cut a few of the initial steps out and start with the diamond disk immediately. Also I marked up the area to be cut out right at the outset. Having done it I stood back and made sure it looked OK. Then I re-measured from one side and even measured and checked from the other side. I just did not want this one to go wrong, seeing as the first one went well.
I also added a shot of the interior of the unit [pointing to the rear] to show the 'conical' shaped end of the shaft tube that has the phosphur bronze bearing [the forward facing end of the shaft tube has the ball bearing race fitting].
You will notice I have cut down the cardboard template to the actual size of aperture to be cut out.
You will also notice the point at which I took out the masking tape from the internal pipe and replaced it with a crumpled piece of kitchen towel. This was to stop the debris going into the bearing. That leads me onto my last point; if we are looking after the bearing, don't forget your lungs and wear a face mask to stop the fine glass fibre dust from both the hull and the water-jet housing material going down your tubes!!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on February 18, 2017, 05:34:59 AM
CC....thanks for the PM response on Jet drive geometry etc  :-))

With respect to the water inlet 'grills', I would be inclined to agree to mil the slots to scale proportions complete with the tapered leading edge works

Test 1. [in the bath tub with two drives installed] could be one motor driving one jet drive without the water inlet grill, complete with an ammeter wired in series & if possible with the brushless ESC

Record the current draw at a few point levels with the ESC. Record any other results that are remarkable

Test 2. complete an exact set of Test.1 procedure, however with the water grills installed
______________________________________________________________

Review then publicise the Test results for comment by experienced MBM people that have built the same/similar vessel for comparison
______________________________________________________________
One of the problems you face here is that full size flotsam [leaves] will offer little resistance or damage to a full sized vessel drive, however the same sized flotsam [leaves] may cause issues and damage  >>:-( to the scale size impellor

Looking forward to the test comparison results

Derek

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: TimpdonG on February 18, 2017, 02:56:40 PM
Another take on inlet grilles for the water jets.
As I do not have a milling machine, I had to resort to making an approximation to the real thing by fabrication. The frame is in 0.7 mm thick brass strip, and the bars are 1.6 mm brass rod.
To solder, I applied solder paste to all joining surfaces, clamped everything down on a heatproof surface, and used a cooks blow lamp to melt the solder paste and bond everything together. After a bit of cleaning up, the overall result looks fairly realistic, and should not restrict water flow too much.


GeoffG
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 18, 2017, 06:20:05 PM
GeoffG,
That looks absolutely marvellous! Very neat and purposeful. Much as I was hoping to fabricate, but I want to make mine in aluminium to look somewhat like that in the picture of the real lifeboat. I also want to fabricate all my stanchions and railings in aluminium too - something new to me in the construction of this particular boat.
If you look at my build thread of the Ramsgate Trent lifeboat way down the same page as the Shannon, you will see lots of pieces I have made there in brass and stainless steel, so I know just what goes into these items. Well done and thanks for posting here, because this just might be the way forward for a few others [and there are many] building this model - who knows if I fail in 'ali' I would end up doing it this way and then spraying in the right coloured metal paint, but hope I can succeed in 'ali' this time. Just got in from 17-09's where we have had a great day talking model lifeboats and catching up on latest news. I will be Posting a small bit later on the way he has started to use the resin hex nuts and heads from the Russian manufacturer.
Keep it coming, this all helps for discussion and ideas. It will soon be a balmy Spring day when we can be enjoying our Shannons on the water!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 19, 2017, 12:39:56 AM
Spent a large part of today down on the white cliffs of Dover with 17-09 today, Looking at tools and other items recently purchased for model boat building and also looking at the progress on his model of the Severn Class lifeboat 17-09 and my Shannon. Alan's detail is coming together well, but he has allowed me to post these two photos I took. C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on February 19, 2017, 08:55:34 AM
A real masterpiece! Please tell,us how the anti-slip structure was achieved. I use Alclad polished aluminium for my formula 1 models and can highly recommend the paint. The effect is very realistic.
Regards Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on February 19, 2017, 07:14:41 PM
Hello Arno,
Thanks for your kind comments, Kim has asked me to reply to your question on his thread.
 The anti-slip finish is in fact Halfords Textured Paint rattle can, readily available here in the UK. I see you are in Germany. Halfords are a supplier of motor and cycle parts together with accessories over here. The areas not to be textured are masked off then given a couple of light coats of the paint, the finish is very good and even, my only concern was that it did take a long time to dry. The hinges and other parts that were added for the detail that were made from brass were temporarily attached before texturing, when removed this left a neat footprint for them to be refitted later. You can see on the picture where the locking handle will go for instance. These components that had the texture over them before cleaning remained tacky for a long time. The hatch was then sprayed lifeboat orange. Because several coats of paint were required to get the depth of colour the textured areas became slightly clogged with paint which has made the finish look a little heavier than I would have liked but it is acceptable. The curved clear area in the centre is for the hatch opening graphics to be added later. The areas in front of the wheelhouse and the cabin top are also treated this way, I did find that because the gloss paint reflected all the minute little undulations too much, I had to re-mask and spray the areas again with a very thin clear satin varnish coat.  The real boats get quite dirty on those textured non-slip areas which does change the colour slightly, this is quite noticeable in some photographs.
The Alclad II is a very nice paint, I used a gloss black undercoat as advised and sprayed at the low pressure required, I am happy with the finish of Polished Aluminium and do think it looks right on this model.
 Sorry for the protracted answer.
        Regards  17-09
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on February 20, 2017, 09:08:27 AM
Hi 17-09,

thank you very much for explaining how you achieved the ant-slip finish. I use Standox car paints for my ship models. It is professional car paint and they mix you any colour you need. I had not heard about texture additives so far. I will ask at the local paint shop next time. I am sure they have something similar. If not, I will buy a can of the Halfords stuff during my next visit to the UK.

As for the Alclad II Polished Aluminium, it has to be painted over a black gloss undercoat, otherwise you do not achieve the shiny effect. And remember always to wear a mask: the metal particles are very small and the paint smells really awful.

Regards

Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 21, 2017, 11:23:45 AM
When I ventured into the workshop last weekend I decided to:
There is still a little tidying of the water-jet inlet apertures to be made, but I will do this once I have made a covering grille for each and ascertained my method of fixing them - just saves doing the job twice!
I have also ordered the materials to make the underneath bulges that support the hull when on the carriage - to which I plan to incorporate my water pick-up nozzles. Likewise I am still thinking about which material to use to make the stern spray rails. I was going to make them in teak and then spray them, but Andy advised against this due to the oil in the wood and the paint adherence  - there speaks experience! Thanks.
A little packet has just turned up from Kehrer in Germany with a couple of little 'variables' for the water-jets [Andy had informed me of these a couple of months ago], so will explain in the next Post, once I have had a moment to look and 'experiment' with the possible fitting.

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on February 21, 2017, 05:43:44 PM
Hi Kim

I am impressed,  O0 O0 O0

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 23, 2017, 03:19:32 PM
Derek,
You're so[ooo] kind, but it's good to know you are still around. It will soon be time to start meeting again at Shows and on the water - just the day for yachts today though, with these winds. However, today I'm in the workshop making the prototype water-jet inlet grille - haven't broken the milling machine yet! Might Post results on the first one tomorrow.
Today I'm just adding some shots of the bits that arrived from Kehrer Modellbau the other day. I will attempt to make a 'bulleted' list of the ten photographs, remembering that I am using a commercially bought product and the directional nozzles are concentric within the plate [the actual ones are eccentric at the bottom] and these nozzles [fitted to my model and shown so far] are larger that the actual lifeboat ones - but Andy has fitted them, they work and give plenty of speed - hence a 'starter for ten'[:
This all gives 'food for thought', as they say. Regarding the spray limiter, if you look back at some of my photos of the nozzle units fixed to the plates on the stern you can sometimes see the white masking tape - this is the gap which I want to limit, thus proving more force [power stern-wards] and less spray around the stern area.

Back to the work shop now, with a strong cup of tea!! :-)
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 24, 2017, 11:58:20 PM
Any engineers watching this Thread - look away now!! You'll need more than a strong cup of tea.
I have never been an engineer [don't need to tell us, say the engineers!], however, to get onto my milling machine and start making the grille for the starboard water-jet yesterday I did not check the 'slack' [backlash] etc.,. on the newly mended [electrical circuit board] machine - the pictures will prove that. So, being the prototype I decided to just go ahead and see if the process in my mind would give me the reality I needed. This was what I did, purely to use up some old aluminium stock I had lying around.
Well, that is it. When done I must start to make the second one - for me always the hardest thing to do. There are some nineteen photos to show the process, so a double Posting to get them all in.
Please do not be put off with what I have done - there are 'many ways to skin a cat'!!

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 25, 2017, 12:04:48 AM
The final photos for this Post of the Prototype grille.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: colin-stevens on February 25, 2017, 09:52:07 AM
Very nice, not a straight forward piece of machining. good job.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 25, 2017, 10:42:12 AM

Nice result from your perseverance.     :-))

ken

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 28, 2017, 12:20:40 PM
Colin and Ken, thanks for your encouragement. This made me fettle a little more and I have now completed the process on this grille, now awaiting the drilling and milling of the fixing holes.
It can be noticed that by showing the grille against the 1/12th RNLI scale plan that the end shape is different and that it is not as long as the actual grille on the real boat [hidden beyond the bilge keel on this plan].
I have taken a close-up of the underneath to show how I have filed out a tapering end on the stern of each slot, hoping this will allow the water to 'flow' better, rather than hit a flat end and create unnecessary 'disturbance'.

Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 28, 2017, 05:48:49 PM
I got a reply from the RNLI Engineers' Dept yesterday [at last] after my enquiry of 16th November, 2016. This was regarding the grey colours for the deck anti-slip and the deck [gloss] edging. I'll put this below, along with a little research I have done today:
These can be looked at on www.ralshop.com and holmanpaint.co.uk colour charts. The sections in italics are my research. Please make up your own mind before committing! I did find on one other colour chart that this came out as a yellow/green - so beware. It would be nice to buy a tin and use it - however, one of the smallest cost 500+ before tax!
I have added a couple of shots to show the margin / edge 'gloss' or semi-gloss - your choice.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: colin-stevens on February 28, 2017, 06:58:30 PM
Nicely done on the grills. sweet.

Halfords do a rattle can that gives a non slip texture. As I remember there are 3 grades.

Carry on with the good work. look forward to the updates.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Macsmouldings on February 28, 2017, 08:51:10 PM
Kim, good to see you still working in Grey  :-))

Keep up the good work Fella

regards,

Mac
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on March 01, 2017, 07:34:23 AM
Hi Kim,

the grilles look superb :-))

I think RAL 5008 is too dark for the deck. I have the original RAL colour scheme from their shop (www.ral-shop.com it has to be) and think RAL 7031 would be more appropriate regarding the pics of the original ship on your CD. Choosing a colour is always a difficult thing, especially from a non calibrated monitor. Maybe I will take the RAL scheme (it's a small pocket one) with me when I visit the Dungeness lifeboat station this summer....

Regards
Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on March 01, 2017, 08:57:41 AM
Sorry Arno.........CC has more work to complete the final profiles on these grills

The leading edges to each of the fins and the outer landings must be feathered down to a near knife edge ok2

Kim knows this   O0 ....we will just wait for the outcome ......

Don't you just love the extreme detail in text an images of the build thread?... :-)) :-)) :-))...full credit to the Author!


Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: kinmel on March 01, 2017, 09:41:08 AM
Sorry Arno.........CC has more work to complete the final profiles on these grills

The leading edges to each of the fins and the outer landings must be feathered down to a near knife edge ok2

Kim knows this   O0 ....we will just wait for the outcome ......

Don't you just love the extreme detail in text an images of the build thread?... :-)) :-)) :-)) ...full credit to the Author!

Derek

Derek, you are a man of little faith. Kim has a dozen photos of the grille and would never make such a mistake.

That is the trailing edge, not the leading edge.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on March 01, 2017, 11:16:44 AM
Sorry kinmel  :o...

I understand you may think we are upside down, however from detailed example to date I have supreme faith in the constructor and the build to represent a faithful and accurate scale model

From the images I see, the trailing end of the fin insert has the rounded geometry profile, accordingly I was to believe the leading ends to the insert were to be bevelled to a knife edge as being on the leading or flat square end ;D

But hey, please let CC correct me if I am upsidedown :-))

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: kinmel on March 01, 2017, 11:33:48 AM
Sorry Derek

You are correct about it being the leading edge, I looked at the wrong photo of the grille .....    :((
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on March 02, 2017, 12:45:42 AM
Kim.....you are displaying and showing an ever increasing number of aluminium model components or sub assemblies

For the items that are not to be painted, have you considered completing the total number of these non coated parts and have them hard anodised with a natural finish [colour] & in a batch lot to minimise costs?
 
This hard anodised is an interesting process that converts the aluminium substrate from 20m to 70m micron in both depth & dimensional growth.......naturally the only components that would be subjected to actual [gross] water erosion would be the two water inlet fin plates

Interesting reading......Derek

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=16&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiIio6ry7bSAhWHVZQKHffLBrwQFghiMA8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmetalfinishingsltd.co.uk%2Ftreatments%2Fhard-anodising%2F&usg=AFQjCNEIaAweZNwXtkt9bPnSRSDg5qYUqg
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 02, 2017, 11:27:21 AM
Gentlemen, let's not 'fall out' over the leading [entry] edge of the water-jet inlet's grille! Only joking. It's good that each has looked and given feedback - all appreciated.
Firstly, remember two things that I said - 1] that as I was using the commercial KMB Jet28s I would make a grille that was 'close' to the original. In this prototype I have mimicked the entry, but kept to the rounded profile of the KMB unit upon exit [stern end]. If this allows the water to flow and do its job within the unit I will probably leave the design as it is. 2] However, I also said there is 'more than one way to skin a cat' - just look at GeoffG's wonderful brass grille on 18th February - Page12 above. I might go this way, should I have to, in aluminium - it does appear it will cover the whole area, as on the real vessel and look the part, even if not submerged within the actual inlets 'mouth'. It's neat, easier to make without machinery and looks the part! Let's see if anyone else using these units has come up with another way forward.
To that end I have re-visited the 'entry' shaping - even though the inboard bars did have bevelled ends - and then hand shaped the ends to a sharp point. I think this will aid the entry water a little. Derek, I will fill the little ruts in the hull surface once the filler is next out and mixed!  You will also notice I have now added the two 1.6mm threaded screws - you will see where I made the one side just that 1mm thinner [wrongly] it translates into a very small bulge where there is not enough material to accommodate the screw, this will be adjusted on the second one [Port side], then later maybe a new one to replace this one!
So, Derek thanks for bringing this to my attention and Kinmel thanks for being so loyal in your thoughts towards me. It was all worked out in the end - excuse the pun.
Martin [Macs Mouldings] and Arno - there are more than 'Forty Shades of Grey', that could make a great title for a book! Seriously, Arno, the manufacturer's title does say 'extra dark sea grey' and it really is on the deck paint. That is what made me ask the question of the RNLI. Look at my two 'ringed' close-up shots, especially of the bottom of the stanchion and it's foot-plate, the edging grey is the lighter colour the anti-slip used to be on previous lifeboats, but in recent refurbs even these boats are coming back with a darker grey coating. Like you I will get a better look in the next couple of weeks when I make another visit - I'll try and get the paint label details from Trevor Bunneythe engineer. I looked at the three numbers for RAL, BS and the Pantone quoted by 3M Scotch and they were all pretty much the same dark grey.
Colin - thanks for reminding folk that Halfords now do a rattle-can of textured paint. There are three, but I think it is just the colour that is different - grey, stone and green. I stand to be corrected though. B&Q also do one [used to be by Rustolean] and this is now by Valspar. Spray very lightly, coat by coat and the amount required can be built up from very fine to a coarse grade - your choice.
Finally, two things Derek - 1] the encouragement given in my way of presenting this Thread. I enjoy doing it, but mainly want it to help anyone attempting either this Shannon build or any other boat build for the first time, hence the number of photos and also admitting and showing mistakes made. I have had quite a few PMs saying that it is being very helpful, but I also get a number of phone calls from those passed on by Andy at Models by Design who do not have a computer and the access to this thread. I just hope it helps in a little way, but all your thoughts, help and encouragement keeps me going. 2] Thanks for the information regarding anodising - interesting reading and a valuable starting point, especially as they are down in Dorset. Not sure whether I will go that far yet, but will consider, once a few items have been made and my early ideas of 'fine sand blasting' has been tried - more later.
Well, will end now and hope to tidy workshop and then get the final two screw holes drilled and the underside supports made, tapped and glued into position.
My regards to each and all other readers here.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on March 03, 2017, 10:27:32 AM
Hi Kim
That grill has come out really well.
I wonder if that could be a master
to get them cast in white metal ?

Regards
Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 03, 2017, 11:49:20 AM
Derek,
That's a good point - I had not thought of that, I have all the equipment and rubber / silicone compound, so might make a set when I have completed the second one, as I hope to have corrected the small mistake in this one. Thanks for the idea.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on March 04, 2017, 07:32:08 AM
Hi Kim you said for people to put on what they made so her are 2 pictures of the way I just fitted KBM water jets. They are  level across the hull and they are angled 5 deg downwards towards the  back of the hull this is how they are fitted in the Shannon hull. The grill is only one I made out of plasticard to see what it would look like a Brass one will be made later as I have no way of making a Aluminium one. I also fitted the 2 runners that are used for the transporter wheels to run on. I have drilled these and put nozzles on them so I can use them to cool the motors. Will post more pictures and info as I work out how to do the rest.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on March 04, 2017, 07:48:04 AM
Hi Kim and all did you know that the rear water jet plates that Andy now makes are made with the large hole in the middle about 3mm off centre downwards so this would be more like the real jet plates. I dont know if you can change the old ones for the new ones if you damaged one. I think they are a lot better more like what they should  be like.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 04, 2017, 11:18:44 AM
John,
The stern under-hull detail is looking very good and realistic. The way you have 'sunk' the inlets [like the real vessel] is interesting and I am sure a few folk will follow this approach. I also like the 'profiling' of the bilge keels, again more like the real items. Interested to see you have put the water cooling intakes for either motors or ESCs within the carriage supports on the hull - as I said I was hoping to do in an earlier Post - but mine will be angled at the front [bow] end, more of a 'shovel' profile for pick-up. They do actually continue to the stern edge of the hull. The Keel extension to the water-jet protection bar also looks well made and purposeful!
Lastly, I did not know Andy has changed the water-jet plate, but I shall keep what I have and proceed with that, especially as it is all now fitted for the exit nozzle.
Thanks for Posting these shots, I am sure they are going to be a great help to many.
Keep up the good work.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: minimariner on March 04, 2017, 04:11:37 PM
Picture of carriage support on Skegness Shannon.
Bryan.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 05, 2017, 11:34:24 PM
Thanks MiniMariner for the shot,
Not sure what Mk1 [John] has 'up his sleeve' as he has one of my DVDs of over 1,000 photos and that covers these carriage 'runners', so I'm sure he knows it goes to the stern/transom line. That said, every time I look through the photos there are always little bits of detail that get noticed for the first time, but being there is very useful and one has to be grateful to the way the crew are willing to let us 'get up close and personal'.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 05, 2017, 11:57:00 PM
A couple of ventures into the workshop across the weekend have allowed the Starboard grille to be completed and the stern fixing points to be made and fixed into position.
You will see a few of the instruments used during this process. The fine sponge wet and dry pads are a 'god send' - use them a lot, note that I mark them according to their grading. Also notice the 'ladies'' cut fingernail emery board section. This too is a cheap, but invaluable tool, prior to using the pads.
Finally this afternoon, I scribed the shape of the completed grille onto another piece of aluminium angle stock, which I had milled to a flat and am now ready to start the Port grille - hoping it will take a lot less time and I will correct the runners on either side to take the screws more easily.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on March 06, 2017, 12:28:55 AM
Hi Kim in reply to [not sure what Mk1 has up his sleeve] after I had put these pieces on I realized I had read the picture I had wrong  and they were meant to be flush with the back I will alter them in due course. As for the front end of them this was made square and not rounded as I am hoping that it might help catch and push the water around if it does not I can alter it later.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 06, 2017, 09:45:02 AM
Thanks John,
That explains that - there is a lot going on around the stern of this Class of lifeboat, I am looking forward to making some of those pieces, including the side hull spray rails. I have the metal and my idea of fixing in my head - next the reality - so might progress this alongside the second grille. Trouble is I belong to the Faversham Military Modelling Group and have purchased some six or so models [including where relevant the etched brass upgrade set] over the past six months or so, but due to the Shannon build have not touched one yet and this Saturday is another monthly meeting! Might have to give over Wednesday, Thursday and Friday to some MMG modelling!
Back to the Shannon, it will be good to see how our different approaches to the 'water-scoop' work, mine will just be for the 120A ESCs.
Today or tomorrow I hope to walk to a local 'plastic' sign writing company to get some Perspex off-cuts for my electrics and servos board.
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: colin-stevens on March 06, 2017, 05:24:31 PM
Oh My, really nice machining.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 07, 2017, 01:37:47 AM
Thanks Colin,
All I have to do now is make another one! However, lessons learnt, so hopefully it will be a little quicker. Today [Monday]....
I also went to the 'plastic signmaker' on the local Business Park and got this month's bargain, seven pieces of Perspex off-cuts [both 4mm and 6mm thicknesses] for 20!! Well pleased. Behind them in the photo you can see my 1 metre 32nd America's Cup 'Alinghi' yacht [based on a Kyosho SeaWind] and my 1/10th Robbe Smaragd 'Solo Round the World' yacht 'Emerald'. Another month and some quick Winter maintenance should see them on the water again!
C.C
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on March 07, 2017, 05:58:46 AM
Wish we got a bargain like that.


Just paid 200 for 9 perspex windows!!!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 09, 2017, 12:01:01 AM
Yesterday saw me in the workshop for a few hours, so........
Derek [down-under], thanks for showing me the tricks of the trade with the 'circles' and 'arrows' - you will see I have now put your tuition to good use!

Tomorrow I will sort today's photos and show the completed grille, positioned, but awaiting the fabrication of the two internal fixing brackets.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 09, 2017, 11:21:59 AM
Yesterday [Wednesday] spent a few more hours in the workshop, fettling, drilling and machining the second water-jet intake grille. It went well, but I still made an error which I will try and correct today.
I might make the first one again at a later stage, but at the moment I would rather try them to see whether they let in enough water for the jets to work at 'full' bore. If not the design will have to be modified - so time and effort would have been wasted!

Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on March 09, 2017, 12:05:07 PM
Hi Kim
Love those grills top job sir.

Regards

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 09, 2017, 01:45:52 PM
Thanks Derek,
It's not a fast build - compared with some - but I'm enjoying the semi-scratch build approach and creating the answers and items :} . Looking forward to making the spray rails, carriage support bulges on the underside of the hull and also getting inside to make the electrical and servo board from Perspex and the aluminium support uprights to which it will be attached. Hope to have done all of this before we jet off to the Dortmund Intermodellbau Show, which in a month's time will be our fourth and final day, when we fly back in the evening! There are seven of us going, all of whom you know.
It's nice to know you are around and watching.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: colin-stevens on March 09, 2017, 06:13:24 PM
Fine job sir!!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 11, 2017, 10:54:55 AM
Colin, many thanks for the compliment!
I was speaking to Andy [MbD] the other day regarding my detailing of the Shannon and my intended use of aluminium and he said his Shannon was being detailed at the moment and sent me three photos to put on this Thread. They are 'dry fitted' at the moment and other items are made, but no photos. They have spurred me on to give the aluminium soldering another go again next week - with the new type from CupAlloys!
At the moment I have cleared 'the Bridge' and am about to have two or three days trying out my new airbrushes and the techniques for painting figures - both marine and military. Off to Faversham Military Modelling Group this afternoon!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on March 11, 2017, 11:04:17 AM
Sorry Kim........if our Lord wanted aluminium to be soldered, I think he would have blended and made the metal from a totally different alloy and with a higher melting point  O0

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 11, 2017, 11:10:18 AM
Like it, Derek!!
Still, there's nothing like a challenge - so long as one succeeds!
Best wishes,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on April 06, 2017, 01:37:48 PM
Hi Kim,
Hope you are well, and enjoying this lovely weather we are having at the moment. It's probably too nice to spend inside your Workshop i guess! Anyhow, i saw this photo on the Workington RNLI Website, of their new Shannon being lifted out of the water, and knew that you (and any other Shannon builders out there) would find this view of the underside quite useful, since it is not often seen in this way.
Looking forward to the next update :-))
Charlie
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on April 16, 2017, 11:56:10 AM
Charlie - many thanks for the photo. I agree, a great shot and helpful to see the whole of the stern underside arrangement of the Shannon.
Your thoughts were almost right, I have just come in from cutting the back grass [again!!] and doing some weeding in my small garden, just as well we downsized on the move to Canterbury. However, the past two months have zipped by, mainly due to a number of visits to an elderly relative I have been looking after in Buckinghamshire. Added to which a group of us have just arrived back [last Sunday evening] from the Intermodellbau 2017 Show in Dortmund [Martin from Macs Moudlings; Andy and Debbie from Models by Design and D.K. Figures; Jeff fom the LBES and St. Albans MES; Alan P. from the LBES and Secretary of the MBA-Dover; Alan T. from the LBES West Mids. Section and myself - a right motley crowd!!]. We met up with four other members from MBA-Dover on the first day. Many 'goodies' were purchased for my furtherance of the Shannon Project and will appear here soon. Likewise my coverage of the Show for MMI is being written at this very moment [having chosen my photos from some 280!] and should appear in two months.
I am attaching a few shots of Alan P's [17-09] flying bridge nut and bolt detail - superb! He enjoyed doing the first ten and then realised he had another 140 to go!! Well worth the effort though.
During my sojourns to Buckinghamshire I 'upset' my right shoulder again, so found it painful to cut [saw] and lift my arm. So I put the Shannon 'down' for a while and started a little work on my 1/72nd scale Severn [on another 'thread' here] and also started to use my airbrush techniques on a 1/10th yachtsman, to later progress onto lifeboat men crew [same colour type and almost size]. This will too appear as a new 'thread' over the next few days. But the Shannon will be back on the front burner this week!
Kim [Canterbury Coxswain]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on April 18, 2017, 11:04:54 AM
What I did leave off from 17-09's flying bridge detail was the actual hexagonal white plastic caps that go over the nut head [this one was broken and on the floor, so was not 'filched'!]. On the actual lifeboats these are sometimes inboard and sometimes the reverse way around and outboard - as here. 17-09 ended up using his new Dremel screwdriver with an adjustable speed. Used as a drill / lathe, to turn the fine styrene rod, and then a small 'jig' so that each was cut off at the same length and more importantly at this small size, squarely at 90 degrees.
I posted this here, just to show that at this level of detail, when scratch building, time needs to be spent, but the end product is well worth the effort and time invested.
Nice one 17-09.
Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: TimpdonG on April 21, 2017, 11:37:53 AM
Good Morning All,


I thought some of you might be interested in my experiences in getting my Shannon control system up and running. The hull is now complete and painted and the drives have been fitted, and tested.


The problems started with the servo drives to the steering nozzles and reverser. The first set of servos I tried [big digital brutes from Hobby King with no mechanical end stops] went haywire when first connected, wrapping the connecting bowden cables to the jet drives in knots. After a lot of head scratching, I concluded that the power drain on the servos was dragging the 5V supply down and causing the control system to crash.


Several rebuilds of the control panel later, I have now sorted out all the problems and everything is working fine, so here is some advice for those of you who have not got around to the electrics yet, in the hope that you will not have all of the problems I did.


I changed the servos to Tower Pro MG958 from Servo Shop - Very high torque, but controllable provided you get the power supplies right.
I changed the 5V supply to the control system from the BECs to separate 5V, 3A voltage regulators powered directly from the main batteries [Big heatsinks in photo of control panels]. The ESC BECs are now not used.
I fitted brass distribution busbars from the 5V supply [6 mm x 0.5 mm] under the control panel, with large reservoir capacitors across the 5V supply.
All servo power supply wiring [Red and brown wires] is now soldered directly to these busbars, with only the yellow control wire connected to the radio system. I strongly recommend that you do not try and power big servos from their usual servo connectors via the radio receiver. You will get trouble !


The control panel photo shows my layout. Most of the wiring is hidden underneath.


The six circuit boards in the middle are all my own design servo scalers, allowing me to calibrate all of the servo positions, rotation directions and rotation angles independently for each servo and ESC.
Also, the maximum rotation rate of the reverser servos is controlled to limit the maximum servo current [about 0.5 s for full operation, as this servo is subject to particularly heavy loads.
The other two small boards are digital control boards for any lighting I decide to fit at deck level [not yet thought about in detail].
The custom radio receiver on the left will eventually be mounted in the superstructure.
ESCs are 85A models from Hobby King.
Motors are Rotor Star 830KV brushless.
Batteries are 5000 mAh 4S LiPo, protected by big Automotive 50A fuses.


I hope this will help some of you. If anybody needs help with electrical or control problems, just ask.


Regards


GeoffG


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on April 21, 2017, 01:47:40 PM
GeoffG,
Very many thanks for sharing this information and your experiences here on this build. I am sure many of us will read this several times [and maybe take you up on your offer of help!!] and having assimilated the information build it into our various ways forward. As to be expected, from yourself, the work inside the hull is exceptionally neat and well laid out. Might there be a chance of a photo of the underside of the board - if and when it ever comes out? The stern area of the water-jets looks very realistic too, seeing as you are using the commercial KMB Jet28 units - once in the water most of this will be either out of sight or hidden by a white foam of spray!
I shall be looking forward to some photos of its first 'sea trials'.
I'm off to the workshop now to try some aluminum soldering..........................
Keep it coming and likewise anyone else who has progressed onto a build - I know how many of you there are out there.
Kim
[Canterbury Coxswain]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: TimpdonG on April 22, 2017, 11:27:25 AM
Kim,


Thanks for the kind words.
As you requested, here is a photograph of the underside of one of the control boards.
The other is a mirror image.


Not as pretty as the top side, I am afraid, but adequate.
Because my radio system is custom designed, the only radio output is a single serial data stream connected to the "Data" busbar.
This is connected to all of the servo scalers, each of which extracts the relevant data for its own servo or ESC, before scaling it for onward control.


GeoffG
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on April 22, 2017, 06:17:15 PM
Many thanks GeoffG,
That completes the 'story' so we have the 'obverse' and 'reverse' of your great handiwork. Thanks for your time in doing this. I look forward to 'studying' this in the next few days - questions will follow, as my 'weakness' is electrics.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: BFSMP on April 22, 2017, 09:44:39 PM

as my 'weakness' is electrics.
Kim


I think that this is in the realm of Electronics rather than electrics...........but either way I am totally baffled by the whole concept of it all.


good luck gents.


Jim.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: kinmel on April 23, 2017, 07:46:35 AM

I think that this is in the realm of Electronics rather than electrics...........but either way I am totally baffled by the whole concept of it all.


good luck gents.


Jim.

There is no "electronics" without electrickery  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on April 29, 2017, 01:55:58 PM
Hello all.
I do hope I am not intruding here. Amazing electricals, wish I could do this.
I am just interupting to tell you that I had a customer around yesterday to collect his Shannon from me and during our chat he asked me if I had considered supplying any parts from my kit to people building the MbD Shannon.


Getting my kit finished was the priority so I had not really considered it but now they are done I dont see any reason why I shouldnt as long as doing so doesn't hinder my sales. So if you would like to know more please email me and put 'Shannon Parts' in the subject box and I'll get back to you.
Adrian
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 07, 2017, 12:13:08 PM
Time remains constant - but on the other hand it seems to have flown by at lightning speed!!
As reported in part earlier, on return from the Dortmund Intermodellbau Show there was the gardening, an injured right shoulder, rehearsals for a large Bach concert in the Cathedral, the ongoing welfare of an elderly relative, MMI magazine articles and RNLI Shannon Launch talks and childrens' water safety engagements to arrange - and now we are in May.
I did, however, get into the workshop to 'progress' my aluminium soldering with the new CupAlloy's flux cored solder. Progress is possibly not quite the right word, but experience has increased. I was using aluminium tube and this time a powerful Weller soldering gun. The first try buckled when I went to neaten it in the lathe and I then used the resultant pieces to try again [hence the shorter length of the stanchion], but forgot this was soft solder - not silver solder - when I came to machine the finish on the milling machine! The middle knuckle twisted and I took it off with pliers. I will progress my proposed method with aluminium rod [I can hear Derek from downunder chuckling from here!] when the order arrives and if that does not work I will move forward with the tried and tested silver soldering of brass rails and stanchions and then spray paint with an Alclad aluminium paint.
Just to pick up on a few points above:
Charlie - meant to say - that lovely photo you posted of the underside of the Shannon does show the exact profile of the bilge keels from underneath and along their bottom edge. Great - another challenge for the future. This does not appear on any of my photos or the RNLI plans, so thanks.
Jim - I was right to start with regarding electrics, as I was talkng about me. I have problems just getting the positive, negative, earth and signal wires correct! I leave the electronics to people like my good friend Alan Bond at Forge Electronics [who once said to me - 'I try things out on you first Kim, because if you can understand it anyone can!!], GeoffG, Dave M. and Iain at Component shop, Turnigy and Sol-Expert. I just join the electronics desired with the wires, but not always successfully as a Robbie Roxxy 120Amp ESC in my workshop will testify to. 'Red to red and black to black'  I said three times as I connected the 120 item to my system, then turned on and in a micro second a little brown spot appeared - good bye 120! I looked and there was red to black and black to red - how or why? I just did not concentrate, an expensive lesson that most of us have done at some time in our electrical wiring, or maybe not. However, GeoffG's electronics are incredible.
Kinmel - I agree.

Another Post will follow with some helpful Shannon photos for all.

Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 07, 2017, 12:19:46 PM
A very good friend sent me these a couple of days ago, gleaned from the Internet. I am Posting them here to help those building their Shannon's, as there is a wealth of information contained in them to help with the understanding of what is 'behind, underneath and attached to what'. As they say on the other side of the 'Pond' - 'Enjoy'.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 07, 2017, 12:38:58 PM
After an inspirational day at 17-09's on Friday, catching up on boat matters and the wonderful progress of his 1/12th Severn class lifeboat flying bridge area and windows, I actually got into the workshop [briefly] yesterday afternoon. I decided to try something different, so started on the stern hull side spray rails. I had purchased some K&S brass rectangular tube of the correct size, but needed to remove one of the smaller edge sides to allow access:
The first try went wrong, the milling bit did just that - it bit, pulled and came through the side wall, kinking the unit at the same time. Went back and tried it on two more sections and both successful - phew! The Perspex is of 2mm thickness and the channel 2.5mm. I hope to get back to them this afternoon and tomorrow to finish off.
Note: The process put a very gentle curve in each section, so this will have to be corrected on fixing.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on May 07, 2017, 12:56:46 PM
Coolant for Machining Perspex  :} with a new unused HSS milling cutter

Kim.....I seem to remember that a cup of luke warm black tea + a drop of liquid dish washing detergent ....mix & use a hand spray pump to mist the cutter & the Perspex during the process ......with a slow feed...

Polishing Machined Perspex

This another lesson  O0.......[using Brasso polish & a miniature gas torch]

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 12, 2017, 05:09:51 PM
Derek - Thanks for the tips - I already knew the second one, but this will be useful, although you will see below I have changed to white styrene now as the Perspex was too brittle, after cutting to size.
I am away looking after a relative at the moment, so thought, that before I cook the evening meal, I will Post where I am at with the spray rail [not that far as the week has not been what I planned in my diary!!].
The photos will be self explanatory - now I use Derek's 'yellow circle' technique.
When I get back home I shall then shorten the styrene at the 'bow' end and fashion a tapered shape to fit in the front of the rail [1.25 inches in length] - just like the real item.
All of this will be on show at the LBES Knightcote Meeting [West Midlands way] tomorrow at the New House Farm complex. Might see some of you there?
Kim
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 20, 2017, 11:07:33 AM
This time last Saturday I was up in the Midlands at Knightcote, for the LBES Members Rally and Regatta. There were 98 folk in attendance, with 32 members and some 52 lifeboats - most went on the water during the day.
It was good to meet Mike and David Pendlebury with their two SupaCat tractors and carriages - all fully working like the real things! Much interest during the day centred round them. I had taken my Shannon display and postcards and made just over 50, which included seven orders for photo DVDs. David Reid had his MbD Shannon on display too, and it was good to see his approach to the stern deck access hatch [circular], the method he used of machining two wooden 'motors' as spacers to give the correct distance when starting to fit the electrical / electronics board and the way he had made the wooden upper steering position and wheelhouse access corridor. All in all another lot of interest in the Shannons. Speaking of which I spoke to Andy Griggs yesterday and he told me he is into drawing a set of 1/12th Shannon plans, they will be a few more weeks yet, however, if folk want to get in touch then mid-June will be the very earliest as he has preparation for Shows at the moment - so please give him some time, not a quick job! He is aware that all those that bought the early batch of his Shannons could get the RNLI ones, but the few score that bought theirs latterly are without, so patience might bring a reward. He has also been working on his 1:1 catamaran and this is looking absolutely spectacular!
Back to Knightcote. There were three 1/12th Severns which quite often were creating a wake and all seemed to enjoy their day at this wonderful venue. The afternoon had two guest speakers of whom Lesley Dexter spoke of the 1/12th Solent Class her late father built and she has now been 'gifted' and is using for talks, displays and fund raising.
Hopefully I'll be back in the workshop myself over the next few days, so maybe a little forward progress with my Shannon!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 21, 2017, 12:09:04 PM
Got an email from Andy G. yesterday with some photographs of the 'work in progress' being made by our very good friend Chris Scott [Mr. Plastic Fantastic!] over there in 'President Macaron land'. Both have agreed I can share them with you, as they should both encourage and inspire. They have made me go back to my photos and plans and look at items I thought I understood or recognised - and yet again I have learnt more on certain symbiotic relationships, little details that differ between the Port and Starboard sides and 'pennies have dropped' in regard to how I will progress my scratch building of the detail in certain areas - wonderful!
On the brass stanchions - read Port for 'L' and Starboard for 'R' - sorry could not resist that!
Hope you get as much enjoyment out of these as I have in the past few hours.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on May 22, 2017, 12:06:22 PM
Hi kim
I have to say Chris is doing a very good job on Andy's Shannon.
Thanks for posting the pictures

Regards
Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 24, 2017, 11:36:46 AM
Last Autumn I had a few emails and PMs to ask if I had attempted to 'marry' the upper steering position bulkhead [rear wall of the wheelhouse] with the wheelhouse itself. A few had found that theirs did not fit. So with David Reid's build and Chris Scott's photos fresh in my mind I thought I would have a little bit of 'fun' and get mine in and therefore make the rear of the wheelhouse a little more solid.
I will say now - it did fit. Here is what I did:
Do not copy what I did when I cut the search light locker aperture out [without consulting the plans!!] - this is wrong.................
But, as said earlier, that bulkhead supplied to me does fit in where required.

That said, I might well now use this unit as a template and totally recreate the bulkhead and instrument panel sections anew. That is because I want an opening hatch and also access and uniform thickness of build material to put some illuminated panel lights in later. However, on looking at the 1:25 scale RNLI plans this is quite small in detail, so I will need another trip to the photocopying shop to get it enlarged. Please see my next Post BEFORE following this build section from enlarged plans.
I think that is all for the moment, I will aim to catch this up to date with a little more later.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 24, 2017, 02:46:48 PM
The next four photos will show that it all fitted and got trimmed down - plus the over trimming of the searchlight locker door area! I also wanted to square up the helm wheel location, also noting that the unit when fitted was level with the roof line. In reality this is slightly lower than the roof by 1.5mm on the 1/12th scale model, so having consulted the 1:25 scale RNLI plans where this is so, so small I decided at this point to get the plans enlarged and make a scratch built unit for myself.
Now to the next bit!! As my plans at '1/12th' were given me [provenance and enlargement size unknown] and I had a set of original RNLI 1:25th plans stating 'do not scale'. I decided to measure my actual model hull and then divide that figure by 52cms - the length shown on the plan . The actual measurement from the flat upright bow [not including the 'Y' strop access point and stem head roller forward pointing section] through to the stern 'name plate' upright [not including the projecting rubber fender section] was 43.75 inches or 111cms. So 111 divided by 52 = 2.1346 [and in normal 1/12th scaling that would have been 25 divided by 12 = 2.0833333], so my plans enlarged now are exactly what I have in front of me as a model - a 'smidge' over 1/12th scale. I can measure from these, scribe, cut and assemble without having to play around and possibly make a mistake! Also the detail is so much easier to see and measure off - QED!! Everything lays over the plans and is exact - a very happy modeller! I have already now noticed that the top doorway profile on the model is not parallel so will require altering - not a hard job, but the first thing to be done before progressing [last photo with yellow circle]. I have a busy two days ahead on other matters, but shall make a start on a grey styrene bulkhead to replace my GRP one during the odd spare moment.
However, I have explained what I have done and have in front of me. Please use what you have - if doing a build - but check your plans and model length to get your own personal exact measurements, this is critical.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on May 24, 2017, 11:01:28 PM
 :P Don't ya just love the logic in model boat building....

So 111 divided by 52 = 2.1346 [and in normal 1/12th scaling that would have been 25 divided by 12 = 2.0833333], so my plans enlarged now are exactly what I have in front of me as a model - a 'smidge'

Calculated to .......7 decimal places  %)......and the final unit of measure is called ...a 'smidge'  {-) .....

However it all looks good thou Kim....... :-))

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 27, 2017, 03:09:59 PM
Hi Derek [DelBoy] - yes, Chris is making a very good job of Andy's Shannon and it should soon be finished. Glad you enjoyed the photos. Look forward to seeing you soon at a Show.
Derek [DownUnder] - in my 'former life' I was a Home Office registered fingerprint expert with the largest police force in the UK. Now, beyond the identification of people by fingerprint patterns and ridge detail came Edgeoscopy [the unique fine detail along the edge of a fingerprint ridge] and Poroscopy [the unique shape of each individual sweat pore on the summit of a fingerprint ridge]. When questioned, many times on giving evidence at Court, Counsels would ask why the 'impression' [photograph of the 'mark'] appeared to be different from the 'impression' [photograph of the 'print'] for the exhibits being displayed to the Court. Because the skin has elastic qualities I would have to explain the 'forensic' detail and hence 'a smidge' of difference between the two!! Not being an engineer and working to very close 'fixed' tolerances of thousandths of an inch I have brought my 'profession' into the world of model boat building - long live the smidge!

Back to seriousness and the build. I actually got into the workshop yesterday and had a good day as what I started went well - although there are a few smidges that will need their tolerances to be be 'fine tuned' before the final fit.
I will now start to get the corridor wall and upper steering position floor into place and attempt to make a temporary internal fixing for this bulkhead and upper steering position unit, as when it gets sprayed this could be a tricky conundrum - especially if using a 'rattle can', as they are unwieldy items. When this is done I will then start to measure and cut out the various facets of the steering / instrument panel array! Now that could be fun.
Well, off to more sport now - what a weekend - Monaco GP [just watched the qualifying], then America's Cup Sailing [good old Ben Ainsley Racing - BAR], FA Cup Final and tomorrow the Indianapolis 500 with Fernando Alonso qualified 5th as a 'rookie'. What a veritable feast of sport - now you know why, that what with choral singing, my model  boat builds are sometimes slow, 'GREY' and a smidge out!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: TimpdonG on May 31, 2017, 02:54:18 PM
Kim,


Can you, or anyone else, help.


I am trying to sort out the mast lighting for my Shannon, and am having trouble deciding just what lights I need.
From the plans, there seems to be:


Red/Green navigation lights on the radar platform
Single rear light just above radar platform - What Colour ?
One or two lights forward of mast below centre forwards facing platform - What Colour ? - Blue Flash ?
One forward facing light forward on top cross tree - What Colour ?
One rear facing light astern on top cross tree - What Colour ?


Have I missed any or got any wrong, and can you help with the colours. I have not yet been able to get to see a real Shannon, and none of the photographs I have give much clue.


Regards,


GeoffG
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on June 01, 2017, 12:07:35 AM
Hi the colour of the lights are all White other than the 2 lights  forward of mast centre facing platform top one Blue flashing and the one below it is Amber. So you should have 1Blue, 1 Amber, 3 White/Clear, 1 Red [Nav], 1 Green [Nav]. There is also a light at the rear of the mast were it fastens to the radar platform this has 6 small holes in it and is a White light.  Hope this helps any photos of your build?.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 01, 2017, 01:03:46 AM
Good [early] morning Geoff,
Yes, John is right and 'Posted' just as I was labelling the photo below. I hope this all helps and I will add a little extra detail.
In my 'arrowed' photo [courtesy of 17-09 who took this photo of 13-16 at Dover on her way to Amble]:
Please ask away if there needs to be any clarification.

I spent three hours at the Dungeness lifeboat station today, photographing [50 photos], measuring and drawing lots of detail around both sides of the wheelhouse corridor and also the upper steering position, mainly to give extra detail to the RNLI plans where this detail is not recorded and also to confirm a small detail which I think many will get wrong on there models - but more of that later [in the next few days] as I continue with scratch building these areas.
Hopefully, later today, I will get an up to date Post of what has been done over the last weekend which required me to visit Dungeness before I could proceed further.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: TimpdonG on June 01, 2017, 09:35:55 AM
Kim and John,
[/size]
[/size]Many thanks for prompt replies to my lighting query.
[/size]Problem now solved, and I can get on with completing the mast and radar platform.
[/size]
[/size]John, no new pics from the ones I have already posted, as I have not had time to do any work on the boat for the last month. As soon as I have any more worth looking at, I will post them.

[/size]The radar rotator is built and working, using a Hitec HS35D servo converted to a motor gearbox, and the radar housing round it is nearly finished, so I have at least made a bit of progress.

[/size]GeoffG

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 01, 2017, 12:16:24 PM
Before I go into the workshop for a few hours of 'me time' and Shannon build I thought it would be best to get the build up to date.
In looking at the RNLI plans [and I have the complete set] I found there were little areas and items that were not fully covered, sometimes 'overdrawn' by other items partly super-imposed on top and even not drawn at all. As this part of the build [wheelhouse corridor] impacts on so many other parts - upper steering position general layout + instrument panel/facia, wheelhouse door, side walls, rope locker, engine room vent and the Port side fire hose and hatchet / tool locker I thought a visit to the actual boat and some new photos and measurements with diagrams would help 'marry' the whole into a symbiotic relationship. I had also noticed that the top hinged section of the rope locker had a wider [higher] end towards the wheelhouse door than that at the stern end on the RNLI plans - correct it does - and I reckon that will be 'wrong' on a lot of models. Does it matter - not really, but I do love 'smidges' and just want to get it correct, as the crew members quite often look at this sort of detail and seem very pleased when we modellers get it right!! Other small items I think could be mis-represented will be:
All in all, well worth a visit and three hours 'pawing' over 13-02! The Cox'n [Stuart] and the Engineer [Trevor] were well impressed when I showed them the photos of Mike and David's 1/12th Supacat tractors and carriages - even more so when I told them they worked just like the real thing!
Prior to yesterday's visit you can see I have drawn the handle indentation on the wall, likewise the sloping upper steering position floor and angled the top of this wall to meet the wheelhouse bulkhead [stern wall]. These will be the first matters to address and agree with my new measurements. I have also added the detail on the other side of the wall too.  I used a Post It note cut-off to check the level of the step up to the upper steering position against the lines marked off the plans - they agreed. Also I used my Proxxon to remove some of the thickness [depth] to the side walls' top edges and the back-rest upright too. Some of this will be infilled with resin and tape before the extra wall cladding and detail is added. This is still a 'dry fit', but you will see that after the use of the Proxxon delta sander the wall fits exactly into the newly created floor depth [39" in reality].
That's it - I think.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on June 01, 2017, 01:45:07 PM
..... "I measured the wheelhouse corridor off the plans and got a depth from the back edge to the bulkhead [at 1/12th scale] of three and a quarter inches and then the width that was two and eleven sixteenths of an inch"


Kim...a dimension of 2 & 11/16" sounds near Edwardian  {-).....are the plan dimensions Imperial or metric?.....as in the next line you state.....

.....I made the styrene bulkhead [2.5mm thickness].

Mixing units of measure can be costly resulting in an increase in the thickness of the "Smidge"  O0

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 01, 2017, 02:22:59 PM
Derek,
Great to hear from you. Listen, it must be my thirty years of deep ingrained crime scene work again, where I examined over 7,000 scenes on my own. There we used to have to measure, photograph and cast the single or double bladed end of instruments [normaly chisels or case-openers - 'jemmies'] in metric [20mm] and then describe where they were found [37" from floor and 1" in from opening edge of door] in imperial!! Seriously, it just depends for me what is to hand and also sometimes the gap / aperture I need to get the ruler into. Also my eyesight - certain stainless steel rulers are easier to read. However, it's easier to convert - I just revert to pulling the tape measure out to either the metric or imperial annotated measurement and then read off the equivalent in the other one. Likewise I now have one of those lovely vernier calipers where you can not only press the button to get or convert from metric to imperial, but also another 'press' gives it to you in fractions of an inch - wonderful!! Finally, with Brexit fast [or slowly] approaching, metric will be a thing of the past as we go back to using imperial in everything - some say! However, these Shannon plans state 'all dimensions in mms - unless otherwise stated' and then they give the plus and minus factors that exist, by which I feel they mean 'smidge factors'.
Just a pity we are so far from each other, otherwise we could meet at the local for a swift pint [or litre] and when down to the last smidge in our glasses, toss for who buys the next round!
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 01, 2017, 02:34:51 PM
Derek, another point 'in my defence' is the fact that on the actual Shannon lifeboats, some screws and bolts are in metric, others are imperial measurement and - wait for it - those bolts on the actual Scania diesel engines are a peculiar measurement which is devised and only used by Scania. For these the engineers have to hold a stock of Scania replacements! The difference is a mere smidge, but metric and imperial will not suffice.
Q.E.D.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on June 02, 2017, 03:26:49 AM
 %) ....."Finally, with Brexit fast [or slowly] approaching, metric will be a thing of the past as we go back to using imperial in everything"

Goodness this will be interesting  {-)....just what version of Imperial Everything do you mean?

The way I read it......4 x Poppycorns = 1 x Barleycorn  8) which are 3 to the inch ;)....clearly these units fall into the percential band of mm......so your styrene bulkhead [2.5mm] thickness must have a new name......[of thickness]

By scientific mathematical manipulation  this appears to be [2.5/25.4 x 3] or 0.2952755 Barleycorns in thickness

So using Standard Tolerance deviation from Medieval times... maybe  + or - a  Smidgen

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: kinmel on June 02, 2017, 07:41:08 AM
I have found it easiest to use a trusted online converter which has it's very own precise definition of measurements and all conversions between other units are done via these Reg Standards

https://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html

 %) %) %)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on June 02, 2017, 08:44:06 AM
Goodness  %)...what a comprendsive converter that is 

I had no idea the 760 Wallnuts =110.5455 Bulgarian units of Posh Spices C-Cup :kiss:- :P

No wonder all of the males in UK want a bit of that  {-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Netleyned on June 02, 2017, 10:48:01 AM
What about a Nat's C--k Hair  ;D ;D ;D

Yesterday, I was in the Scarborough Lifeboat House
drooling all over the Shannon and it's magnificent
launch/recovery system, I looked everywhere but
I couldn't find the Smidgen Stowage. :P

Ned
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 03, 2017, 01:19:45 AM
Right, the smidge has given us a lot of fun, thanks to Derek et al, but it's back to the build.
I shall re-focus on the serious side of the build - when all is said and done, this is model boat building!
I hope, with the use of the photos, this all makes sense?
Later today I hope to make a temporary fixing of this wall to the bulkhead and then start to put the u/s/p floor and step in place, along with the ledge in the u/steering position on the Starboard side and the engine vent access and fire hose locker above on the Port side of the wheelhouse corridor.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: TimpdonG on June 05, 2017, 11:45:02 AM
Further to my last post on a working radar for the Shannon, you might like to see the final result.
The motor/gearbox is a converted Hitec HS35D servo which fits neatly inside the body of the radar housing, and gives 20 rpm at a supply voltage of 0.85 V.
If anybody wants to go down the same route, but is not sure how to go about it, I published a Technical Bulletin a few years ago giving step by step instructions for converting the HS35D, or similar servo, to a motor gearbox, and building a controlled voltage source to give the required RPM. If anyone wants a copy, send me a PM with your Email, and I will send you one.


For the purists, I know that the radar housing is different from the RNLI drawings, but by the time the boatyard built 13-66, Furuno had discontinued the DRS12A radar, and they had to fit a later model - that's my excuse, anyway !


GeoffG
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 06, 2017, 11:41:25 AM
GeoffG,
That's a very nice unit and should go well with the rest of your build. Many thanks for sharing this with us and for the offer of the 'internals'. Again a co-operative way forward on the build of this great Class of lifeboat. This is where MBM is such a fine product.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 08, 2017, 10:59:32 AM
OUCH!! - Went into the garden on Tuesday to do a little bit of work on the wheelhouse and as I turned my back a gust of wind deposited it on the floor - broke the upper steering position back rest and step wall off and cracked the w/h in two places - more work, but they should fix OK and it might give me an option [thinks!!........].
So, as can be seen from the photos of the actual lifeboat this is a 'tricky' little bit of build.
It can be seen when this piece is offered up to the plan just how much there is a slope to the top edge of the rope locker. This and the instrument panel and the front exterior bow edge that houses the retaining 'Y' strop are the three 'tricky' builds when completing a scratch built model. But one is nearly complete and the start of the panel is not far away!
I have added a photo of some etched brass items I bought from the Dortmund Intermodellbau in April. They came from Hobby Lobby and what is shown cost less that 10 - however, I bought more than one packet of each. The two bottom packs in the middle column are the ones I plan to use on the rope locker hinge on this corridor wall, dependent on size. Their product numbers are 7-387 [smaller] and 7-388 [larger]. I will give individual bolt/screw heads to each.
C.C.
Title: Hi Kim My Latest Lifeboat
Post by: Nick1 on June 11, 2017, 09:53:16 PM
Hi Kim
I thought I would show you my latest Lifeboat  ok2 . Yes, I bet you didn't expect that.
It's a 5" gauge loco. It is made out of metal and with both tenders it stands at 9 foot long.
It is driven by 2 powerful electric motors and she will happily pull 10 people all day long.
All the best.
Keep the photo's coming of your Shannon, it looks fantastic
Nick
Title: My latest Lifeboat
Post by: Nick1 on June 11, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
It might help if I sent the photo
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 12, 2017, 10:04:51 AM
Nick,
It was good to see you again last Saturday, at the Shepway Military Modelling Show, and talk lifeboats. I have to say that 'new lifeboat' is some size of model - larger that a 1/12th Severn class by some three and a half feet or so and heavier - can't tuck that under your arm!! Very nice build by the engineer though - nice variatioin and change of 'modelling scene'. See you again soon regarding the 1/12th windows.
Just to explain to others reading this. Nick and I met many years ago over the Arun class 1/12th model lifeboat and he had added to his collection. However, he was recently offered this large model locomotive and to fund it - sold his lifeboat collection!! I just hope God will forgive you - remembering his Son did go out in a boat quite often and on one occasion had to 'take matters into his own hands' when there was no lifeboat around in a storm!!
Nick, thanks for sharing it with the photo.
KIm [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 15, 2017, 11:46:31 AM
In the periods of time available progress has been slow, BUT enjoyable and satisfying. As mentioned before, this is an awkward bit of scratch building as all must 'marry up' when looked at from various angles and positions and will certainly show when the small detail of telecomms tower, railings, door, engine room vents, speakers and deck lighting are added. So it is well worth spending the time to get it right at this point. I have used the RNLI plans and some of my photos [now some 2,000+] to help with this, but even so I am 2mm out at the very stern edge on the actual wheelhouse height! I think this error was made by me when I profiled the bottom edge of the wheelhouse to get it to fit and sit on the deck. Two things to remember here, if you have done what I have done -
So what the photos below show are:Well, although long, I hope this write-up might be of help to some who are actually building this area for themselves too. I have included some of the products I use [including my own personal preferences - which might not agree with other folks conclusions] to help with those modellers new to this area and the materials being used.
The photos will follow in three Posts - I think they are self-explanatory with what appears above.

Of for a deserved lunch now and I am looking forward to a visit to 17-09's boatyard on the cliffs of Dover tomorrow! I am hoping his wife has made those wonderful cheese pastries I sampled last visit!! Hint, Hint.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 15, 2017, 11:54:23 AM
Second batch [just like those Cheese pasties!].
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 15, 2017, 12:01:10 PM
Final batch [I can smell those Cheese pastries from here in Canterbury!  :D Cheesy Emogin!!]  %) .
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on June 17, 2017, 12:36:46 AM
Hi Kim was down the Lifeboat Station today and took a picture of the top left of the mast support wall [enclosed picture] the angle started 330 mm down from the top and the angle was 12 mm in at the top. Hope this helps in keeping up the good work.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 17, 2017, 11:42:38 AM
John, many thanks you are a 'diamond'!!
That means on our 1/12th scale boats the inclination inwards is 1mm. What you have said - 330mm down from the top - divided by 12 equates to 27.5mm on our models and that is what is on the plans. That I have put on the Starboard side, but if I do the same on the Port side it will 'eat' into the top of the corridor wall and angle it over. Your photo and mine do not indicate that angle continued along the flat face of the wall at the top, neither do the RNLI plans - unless I have missed something. Do you see what I mean? It's not essential at this exact moment, but would be good to progress with confidence. I have just taken two photos to illustrate off my model. What did you do?
I am grateful for your thoughts, time and help - I say it again, it's what this wonderful Forum is all about, helping each other progress and enjoy our hobby. Martin and his Team provide us with a wonderful 'tool', I just hope he can afford a new [subdued] casual shirt for the 'Warwick' Show in November!
Again, many thanks.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on June 18, 2017, 12:14:58 AM
Hi Kim I am not sure what you mean I enclose a photo from a different angle. Can you do a rough drawing of what you mean. I enclose a picture of a new item I have found in the cockpit don't know if its now standard.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on June 18, 2017, 01:04:30 AM
Guys...that is an interesting dual scale display, however I don't really understand it's low value scale use [+/- 5 degrees]  in a gently or ferociously constantly rocking small vessel :o

I am sure there is something obvious that I have missed........and have assumed it is for athwart motion

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Netleyned on June 18, 2017, 07:26:10 AM
Not +/- , but 5 Degs Port & Stbd
The lower clinometer scale is in 5 Deg increments.
Could be the 5 degs in each?
I stand to be corrected though.


Ned
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on June 18, 2017, 08:34:38 AM

Guys, just Google Silva,

From their website.....

For angles up to 5, read the top precise scale, for angles over 5, use the lower scale for readings up to 35.

"Simples"   

 17-09
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 18, 2017, 04:26:33 PM
John, you are a gent.
Many thanks for the photo, it has confirmed what I had seen in two of my photos - but I thought it might be a reflection. As you can see I have indicated two arrows and the line between gives the area above [on the corridor wall] which on the plans appears to be a consistent angle and at 90 degrees to the deck floor. However, it looks like the 330mm down is the starting point on the Port side as that area is angled and the edge radius is larger below and then 'tapers' over a short distance to a tighter radius - nice to get it right! I have now added this to my model and it looks OK. It can always be altered.
I also observed a few little interesting bits that differ from 13-02. You have mentioned this, I think in the past, your boat's photos being of which one? I will come to this later, when I have updated my build 'thread', either later today or tomorrow.
Great to have your help and input - being the originator [grandfather -meant in a very good way] of the Shannon 1/12th model!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 18, 2017, 05:57:47 PM
Got some work done yesterday. Needed to get the rear [stern] wall / bulkhead of the wheelhouse in and fixed so that it is upright and solid. This will then allow for the build of the engine room vent on the Port side with the fire-hose reel + axe locker above and likewise the Starboard engine room vent box ingress into the upper steering position. Then the infill to the area immediately behind the screen and its gully can be formed and finally the complexly angled and spaced instrument panel and helm postion.
So I:
I am pleased with the result. I also used the time to get some small cosmetic pieces of styrene cut, fitted and sanded where it was needed. The 'eagle eyed' can see where! The next step will be to resin and glass tape them solidly [I do not like superglue!] into position - belt and braces job.

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 18, 2017, 08:49:50 PM
Last Friday was a welcome break from the normal Shannon build and other matters of every day life when I visited 17-09.
I was allowed to look at the scratch building work he has been doing on his Severn and given permisiion to photograph it and put on here, where I hope it will show what can be done with a little patience. Now, before you say it, I hope this will be an encouragement - remember we each build to our own standard and at our own speed in a hobby [thanks to Phil Warren for that quote, which I often use] - anything else is a chore. Please note the weld line on the portable cannister for the salvage pump. The two beige speakers [wheelhouse nose and wheelhouse stern] and the orange flying bridge speaker are well worthy of note, each hand turned on his large lathe. The instruments - including the stern trim plane panel with its three indicators - are great, both airbrushed and hand painted. The emergency hand steering [block and tackle] tiller is totally scratch too, including the ties and when fitted will be 'lost' in the stern wheelhouse open alcove - but as 17-09 says 'I know it is there'. Quite a few of the metal colours are from Alclad. And lastly that axe - the handle he carved and fettled from a small piece of wood - saved having to paint it! Thought I would include, as whichever lifeboat we are making there are plenty of these items to be made, bought or blagged.
As they say across 'the pond' - enjoy. UGH!!
C.C.

PS - yes, for those wondering I did get some wonderful cheese pastries AND sausage rolls for lunch, all made by Mrs. 17-09.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Big Ada on June 19, 2017, 04:59:51 PM
Alan Poole, I salute you!, love your chopper.

Len.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on June 20, 2017, 07:13:07 AM
Those parts really look fantastic! Please ask 17-09 how he made the weld line on the cannister, it looks absolutely stunning. The axe looks the part as well. A real inspiration for me :-))

Regards
Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on June 20, 2017, 02:30:02 PM
Hello Arno,
 I don't usually give my secrets away but seeing as it is you.....
The welds are simply made with white wood glue (PVA) applied with a toothpick, the technique is widely used on model aircraft, tanks and ships.
Apply a small amount and work along the line, adding more as you go, the slightly uneven application represents a weld very well, if you don't like the result, wash it off with water and do it again. When dry, spray u/coat then top coats of colour.
When you visit our lighthouse again, drop in and see for yourself......
 Big Ada is now my favourite MBA member ....
17-09
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on June 21, 2017, 07:34:24 AM
Thank you so much for sharing! I never would have had that idea for myself. The result is simply perfect. Regarding a visit I will send a PM in due course.
Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 27, 2017, 03:39:17 PM
The last week has been busy with three rehearsals for a Concert in the Cathedral last Saturday evening - Vaughan Williams' 'A Sea Symphony', a real choral fanfare, dealing with A Song for All Seas, All Ships - On the Beach at Night Alone - The Waves - The Explorers, Those that have survived and Those that have Gone Down. Hard work and extremely loud with 'gusto' throughout. This was after the 70 piece orchestra had played Elgar's 'Enigma Variations'. It was good to see some of my good friends with a marine background in the audience during the interval - their reciprocal support is appreciated.
During this time I have been able to build from styrene sheet the Starboard and Port engine ventilation boxes, which will have their exit vents added later. Also the little hatch box that sits above the Port one, this housing the fire hose and a small hatchet. Some shots show the styrene 'baton' I have added to act as a 'backstop' guide when fitting into position. Notice how many times I am using the stainless steel set squares to check that all is in alignment and square - we are getting near to the point of making the instrument panel array in the upper steering position and that will impact if not correct!
You will see my use of PostIt notes, but they are also helpful to measure off small distances within these confines where a ruler cannot reach - then measure the distance afterwards. Some photos show the initial construction with a coarse finish. This has then been made smoother and also some contours and radii added later, with an infill of body putty too. All of these are just 'dry fitted' for the time being. Later they will be fixed in place with the 45 degree under-sides of the top rails added, this being the reason that there is a small gap in the odd place. Next will be the step up to the upper steering position and the helicopter strop locker and below that the life-raft cannister void. It is worth noting that there is a very small slope to the top surfaces, allowing water to drain off - hardly noticeable here.
Again the photos will follow in three batches.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on June 28, 2017, 08:35:34 AM
Hi Kim
That's coming on a treat , still working in grey I see  :}

regards

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 28, 2017, 10:17:52 AM
Thanks Derek - slow, but sure - grey is the colour of the day!!
Regarding the last Post above, apologies - two photos were out of sequence. Also, when I went to send the next batch of photos the 'MbM Server was down'!! And was for a while after that, so never got a moment to send what was promised. Here they come.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 28, 2017, 10:29:46 AM
For those wondering, the 'grey' look to the inside of the corridor wall on the Port side here is where I have made an initial 'Dremel' job to flatten the glass fibre moulding so that the box could sit flat. I will make the final sand later when I know what will be exposed and need to be a smooth surface.
The last two photos show that the stern face of the rear wheelhouse wall is 34mm on both sides to the rear edge [exposed] shown. With this I am pleased, the careful approach seems to have paid off and all is square - thanks to Models by Design! However, one could always use the odd washer when fitting this wall with the method I have used, to moved the wall in a number of required directions. It will all finally be glued together and then 'glassed' into position.
Final batch of photos attached. I hope to be back in the workshop this afternoon.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 28, 2017, 08:54:51 PM
It was good to get a visit from Nick1 just before lunch on another related lifeboat matter - I was in the workshop at the time.
Straight after lunch I got back into the workshop and can't believe that in three and a half hours what was achieved follows, it shows just how long it takes to get little things right. But again it was enjoyable and that's what matters.
I added a couple of 'fillets' of styrene to a few edges and bases to make items more accurate. I then decided to:
Gradually coming together. I am writing and illustrating in detail to hopefully help some of the others building the same model [that I know about] - it being their first attempt at a boat.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 29, 2017, 11:26:25 PM
As stated in my last 'bullet' point yesterday, today saw the 'backstop' and door made for the fire-hose locker. I think the photos are self explanatory for the build process.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 01, 2017, 02:46:17 PM
More styrene work yesterday and a few 'pointers'.
Anyone else got a photo of where they have got to yet on their Shannon [Lee in Aylesbury]?
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on July 02, 2017, 01:48:17 AM
Morning CC

1. I do like bullet points in communications, they make reading individual lines of discussion/review far easier to focus on and comprehend
2. I do not like the format in this word processing system SMF 2.0.14/SMF c 2017  <*< for MBM presents for this process

Yet to understand why this frame has an unequal opening  :(( ....but am sure time will reveal all  O0

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 02, 2017, 11:59:57 AM
Good morning Derek,
Thanks for interest and comments. Point 2. is lost on me, that is the technical bit. Not sure if you want something more from me or making a point against the way MBM is set-up?
As for the '..........yet to understand why this frame has an unequal opening..........' is that because the wide angle lens displays a parallax issue either to the top or bottom of the photo? Photo P1230012 above does show the aperture and door with true parallel top and bottom edges and likewise vertical edges. The back [left in photo] edge of the frame is sloping due to the small slope on the rear edge of the wheelhouse stern edge where the telecomms. extrenal slides are. Not sure if this is what was being asked or whether it helps?
Great to hear from you though, please let me know.
Cheers.
C.C.

PS - can anyone tell me why there is a bracket after my 'handle' with forward slash 'left' in it? Tried to amend it under 'modify', but it keeps coming back! Now it's moved to the end here![/left]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 05, 2017, 03:25:43 PM
Just come in from 5hrs of gardening - my back is now complaining heavily!!
Got a couple of hours or so in the workshop over the last two days and.......
I then moved on to starting the initial build of the instrument panel layout and the water drainage gutter around the edge. I have to say all the angles and distances measured up to the plans - from the model in front of me - so I was pleased. One little modification required will be mentioned when I get going again tomorrow. The photos are self-explanatory....It was at this point my measurements were out - SILLY ME - I had not allowed for the 3mm thickness of styrene when constructed the way I had! So I cut 3mm off the forward facing edge.Spoke to Andy Griggs [MbD] yesterday morning [Monday] and he would like to use my module parts from this build of the corridor and upper steering position as a toughened resin 'retro' fitting mini-kit in the future. So I need to finish the instrument area and get it down to him so that he can take the moulds and let me have the originals back ready for the Alfold Show at the end of July! He said he will take orders if folk want to enquire of costs and likely date for release [dependent on me coming up with the goods first, so maybe give him a week or two!].

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 09, 2017, 12:01:24 PM
I'm almost at the instrument console build phase - interesting times ahead!
So, as promised in the last Post, when all the measurements were made in this area I needed to lose 2mm off the top roof level, where the screen is going to be fixed in the distant future!
I await this to all dry out and then will sand down.
Until next time - C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 09, 2017, 12:10:26 PM
Final five photos.
I could get into the workshop again later to continue. However,  went to my other non-marine Group yesterday - the Faversham Military Modelling Group - a really talented 'bunch' of men! I might Post a couple of shots of a friend's Knight Templar figure - one I have just bought and shall be completing, juxtapose with the lifeboat builds!!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 09, 2017, 05:27:06 PM
Here are the afore-mentioned photos of my Faversham MMG friend's Knight Templar from the 'Kingdom of Heaven' film. I am hoping to better my painting skills painting the same figure and then use this on my 1/12th lifeboat men figures. As you will see I have a long way to go - but like a challenge!! My figure is the lone 'round the world' yachtsman figure [1/10th scale] off my Robbe Smaaragd yacht. I am repainting his clothing using an airbrush and the face with brushes - this is where I have got to so far. Yes, he has got a broken left thumb and will have an overall spray coat of satin on the clothing and matte on the flesh when finished.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 20, 2017, 04:47:52 PM
During the last eleven days there have been a few forays into the workshop. But like a good few of you will be able to empathise with - three steps forward and two backwards!!
However, some small progress.
Then the progress has been:And that is where I am at - but a little way further forward on the console, photos taken and maybe downloaded tomorrow or Sunday. I am working to get a bit of soldering done next week [hand rails and aerials], ready for the Alfold Charity Model Show at the Care Ashore Seamens' Home on the 29th and 30th July.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 20, 2017, 04:54:39 PM
Second batch of three sets of photos.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 20, 2017, 05:05:12 PM
Last few.
I did not explain in the main write-up, but it is important that the 'symbiotic' relationship [I use that word a lot!] is most important here, as the top of the corridor wall has to be parallel with the edge of the 'bat-wing' [my non-technical term] on the starboard side of the console. Likewise - as mentioned before - some of the measurements and parts are not shown on the RNLI plans, so need to be got from the actual vessel and hence my drawings. It is this that led to some items being made three times and others very gently altered - so that all parts agreed with each other and their relationship. Remember the angle to the top of the rope locker in the corridor? Well, that slope in the floor of the upper-steering position and the drainage slope from Port to Starboard of the same floor, does have an impact on the parts being made here. Not a lot, but it is there. Notice to the two drainage holes under the central console face - bottom section.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 22, 2017, 01:25:57 AM
After looking at the last Post above and going back to my model and the plans I noticed that the corridor wall forming part of the upper steering position was not conforming to the photos I had of the same area. So I went back to my RNLI plans and re-marked up the door onto the wheelhouse rear wall / bulkhead [it was getting worn]. Then, knowing that I had trimmed the bottom of the wheelhouse by 2mm more than it should be - at this rear point - to get it to sit parallel along the length of the deck, I re-measured from the plans to get:
Note :-
Tomorrow [later today] I hope to proceed with the right hand side of the console and the searchlight storage locker.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 27, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
It's been an awkward little 'so and so' this week - the build - with many small pieces discarded! With no real overall plan from the RNLI on the console I have had to rely heavily on my photos [without which I would have been truly 'up the creek'] and measurements from some twelve visits or so. I would say that I am 90% accurate and when I get back from the Alfold Show at Care Ashore this weekend I will see whether to correct or proceed with some railing work and the electrics. Three days off will allow me to make the judgement in a better mood.
So you will see that I have:
Once again, I hope the more experienced modellers reading this will not mind some basic hints and tips, but as I have mentioned before, there are those following this that are new to 'this game', and boy have the rest of us had some help and hints along the way during the past 64 years of modelling[I started at about 6 years]! Remember the packs of Keil Kraft balsa and the tube of glue left in the stocking by 'Santa'! That was before my first Airfix Auster Otter float plane in yellow plastic at around two shillings [10p in today's money].
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 27, 2017, 12:29:42 PM
I omitted to state above that a few times I mis-read the plan's measurements, hence the piece cut out would not fit!
You will notice that the grey primer [my favourite colour] has shown up some imperfections, one of which I cannot believe I did not notice! Think I need new glasses. Also, the two photos of the wooden block do show a piece of discarded delta sander grade 80 paper and not 'wet and dry'.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 27, 2017, 12:47:59 PM
Just to remember that all of this upper steering position is 'dry' fitted at the moment and not bolted to the wheelhouse. When Andy has got these parts and has decided whether to use them to cast a set, I will then bolt and glue / resin + tape the whole stern section together. I hope to have this done for my display at the RNLI Dungeness Open Day on Sunday 13th August, where some 'high profile' German MBM members will be present!
Well, I'm off to the workshop and car to start preparing the load for tomorrow's visit to the Alfold Model Charity Show at Care Ashore, Cranleigh, Alfold on Saturday and Sunday - gates open at 1030hrs to 1630hrs. I will be there with an RNLI / LBES display and so will Andy and Debbie from DK Figures and Models by Design. There are meant to be some 70 to 80 exhibitors and a few traders. As well as boats there will be trucks, trains, cars and kiting this year. I am looking forward to my evening Bar-B-Q with the reknowned Bagley family and their travelling abertoir!! Maybe see some of you there - the show that is not the Bar-B-Q, although there will be enough!?
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on July 30, 2017, 09:25:13 PM

Hi Kim,
Good to see you at Alfold yesterday, and to finally see your Shannon in the flesh. Those Aluminium Intake Grills are really nice. Was the weather any better on the Sunday? Look forward to your next update.
Charlie
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on July 31, 2017, 07:43:12 AM
Hi Kim I have just had these decals done for the bridge and the cabin. Your cabin is coming along I know when I done mine there were a lot of bits that went into the waste bin. Keep up the good work.


John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on July 31, 2017, 07:52:12 AM
Hi Kim
Great to meet up at the weekend the Shannon is looking very good
keep up the good work.

Regards

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 01, 2017, 04:28:17 PM
RAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What rain?????????? Well, yes that was the sad story for the Friday afternoon set-up for the Care Ashore Charity Model Show down in Surrey, close to the Sussex border. Then on the Saturday morning the first hour was dry and then continued precipitation until 0500hrs on Sunday morning. Did it matter? Only that some folk who had promised to come didn't and some traders and 'childrens' fun' providers didn't - they stayed away, obviously put off by the forecast. However, those of us that did turn up - and that included at least 21 MBCs - well done 'guy and girls', gave the paying public something to look at and we had a good socialise and plenty of 'gentle banter' did the rounds. Some models 'changed hands' and some sailing on the lake went ahead. Come 1600hrs on Sunday Trevor Goacher the CEO for Care Ashore and a keen boat modeller himself presented the awards and Lee Dickinson [Southern Model Display Team and Aylesbury MBC] won the Best Lifeboat in Show, followed closely by Tony Olliff who came second. Next year the Show will revert to its original place in the calender -  JUNE 2ND AND 3RD 2018. Put it in your diary now.
Now I am going to suggest we help Care Ashore [formerly the Merchant Seaman's War Memorial Society] a little through this 'thread', remembering they are a charity that "provides for members of the Merchant and Royal Navies and also those from fishing fleets. Assistance is given to seafarers in the form of residential accommodation through to short holidays." This was the 21st such Model Show [previously just boats] and the first twenty Shows has raised over 25,000 for the Charity [Reg. Charity Number 207500]. This year's Show was well down on the expected gate numbers and seeing that they had to put in temporary loos, a large marquee for the trains and Scalextrix, and also cover the cost of all the beautiful 1st, 2nd and 3rd awards for each category and then the Cup too, they might not have made what they expected to from our efforts. So if you feel a little charity in your soul for this charity and come from a similar background yourself or just like boats and those that sail them, send a small donation of 5, 10 or even 20 to - Trevor Goacher [CEO], Kim's Appeal for Care Ashore, Springbok Estate, Alfold, Cranleigh, Surrey GU6 8EX - making cheques payable to 'Care Ashore'. This will be a real surprise to Trevor and his great Team and might encourage them on a bit. Of course if any MBC Chairmen, Secretaries, or Treasurers are reading this and you are looking as a Club for a charity to support, then what more worthy one?!! What can we raise in the next few months??? I leave it to you - I know you will respond, especially if you have found this 'thread' useful and it has saved you a few shilling in cost or time. Many thanks, I will let Trevor know this is happening tomorrow and send my own personal cheque off to start the ball rolling; I'll keep you informed of the total raised. Visit their website if you want more information - www.careashore.org (http://www.careashore.org) .
Back to model and this 13-02 Shannon class build. It was great to meet with so many folk over the two days. Great to see Charlie [thanks for your patience in waiting for the queue of enquirers to dwindle!] and Derek  who is always so encouraging. A number of Shannons 'flew' off the Models by Design shop display next to me and many bits were bought or ordered for their own Shannons. There are just so many out there now, although there was not a completed one there on display or the water.
I handed the stern corridor and upper steering position pieces [eight but with the CNC bits it will become thirteen, possibly] over to Andy Griggs who is at this very moment casting and CNC cutting in resin and styrene respectively. Quite a few orders were taken and when they are ready and priced I will let you know.
While all this is happening I am about to start the wheelhouse hand rails and also the pulpit railings, ready for the Dungeness RNLS Open Day on Sunday 13th August, when their Shannon 13-02 'RNLB The Morrell' is hope to be launched at 1400hrs.
Finally, John [Mk1] thanks for sharing your splendid transfer set with us - this is ingenious and should compliment your model well. Are you prepared to provide them for others?
Until I have completed some rails - adios! Please remember to rise to the challenge of some Care Ashore support, I know they will really appreciate the thoughts and financial help.
Canterbury Coxswain

PS - a few shots of the Show ground, MBD stand and my gazebo and Dungeness display with a model [now owned by me] made by the great John Sanders. She is ON761 RNLB Charles Cooper Henderson a Beach 'Aldeburgh' Class lifeboat which served at Dungeness.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 01, 2017, 04:37:43 PM
Baloo [Martin] - see, from Lincolnshire to Kent and on display, your RNLI jig-saw pieces!!
If someone from up in the West Midlands [Dudley area] Rob or John, could let John Sanders know that his model is still doing the RNLI 'rounds' I know that would most likely give him a 'lift of spirit'. Many thanks.
C.C.


PS - forgot to say - my RNLI collecting box raised 16.38 and I gave away lots of RNLI literature and 'freebies' to the children and their parents, importantly a lot on Water Safety!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on August 02, 2017, 06:46:40 AM
Hi Kim yes will supply them if anybody would like a sheet of the decals PM me. These just lift of no cutting around you can just put them on as they are or for the bridge ones put onto a piece of 0.5mm plastic to give the panel depth.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 02, 2017, 12:01:25 PM
My good friend Martin [Clifton] of Macs Mouldings got himself a passport to get off the Island and went North at the weekend. He did not forget us Shannon modellers and took the following photos and passed them on to say we could 'post' them here. So here they are, they might just show some detail mine do not. Go onto YouTube and see the arrival of their lifeboat 13-15 - what a wonderful lifeboat station too!
Thanks Martin.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 02, 2017, 12:11:46 PM
Just noticed one small detail that appears different to all the others I have seen. In the first photo there is a thin black line along the deck / floor on the starboard side, where the wheelhouse joins the deck. This is normally an inch and one half border of RNLI orange, as on the wheelhouse. It is there on the stern quarter, but seems different along this side. Does anyone have similar shots of the Port side and nose of the wheelhouse to see if it continues round? It would be interesting to know why there is this variance and whether others know of the same on their local Shannon. Different!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: minimariner on August 02, 2017, 10:00:29 PM
Kim,
     Photo`s  of wheelhouse margin on 13-17  Skegness Lifeboat.
     Bryan.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on August 03, 2017, 12:47:50 AM
13-07, 20 & 22 DO NOT have the black line...




Odd
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: craggle on August 03, 2017, 09:20:36 AM
Interesting how different the grey is for the non slip floor too.

Build looking good so far Kim.  :-)) 

Craig.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 03, 2017, 10:21:58 AM
Good morning Spongie, Craig and Bryan,
Yes, I had missed the 'lighter' [like the rest of the fleet] anti-slip paint Craig, but Spongie's shots show the darker colour used in all those I have photographed. Also in his I noticed that the hinges to the survivors' hatch cover are VERY shiny and bright and also there is a diagonal stripe pattern to the anti-slip surface on this hatch cover too. So Martin's photos have made us aware, again, that if you are making a particular lifeboat it is well worth researching the fine detail to get it 'right', especially if you are a Member of the Honourable Guild of Rivet Counters like me!!
I did get a PM from a gentleman that had worked in the Paint Room at RNLI Poole regarding the black joint line and he has said there is no generic guidance on how to mask up and finish off these areas. So that was useful feedback.
Regards and thanks to each for your observations, no doubt we will get some more; all helpful to complete and understand our models.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 04, 2017, 10:13:27 AM
Got a package yesterday containing the 'bits' I had given Andy Griggs [MbD] last weekend at Alfold with a set of the resin and CNC polystyrene pieces too. The CNC sheet has the little 'egg box' [Floor support and two storage accesses under the upper steering floor and steps] bits missing in the photo as Andy had made this up to give it a test. Well impressed. You will have to remember the following, as I made the originals shown in grey - what else!
All of this can be adjusted with thin fillets of either styrene or glass fibre sheet. You can always send me a PM if you want me to give further help on these matters, once you have your 'kit'.
This kit only went on sale Wednesday evening and five have been sold already. They cost 25 + 4.25 p&p which includes the insurance value of the product sent. You get the 'cream' resin pieces shown [photo 2 gives the reverse of the pieces showing the floor supports and their angle of drainage] and the CNC sheet which gives the air intake for the engine room on the Port side and the also the upper steering position air extract, the rear step and the little 'egg' box that makes the floor supprt and lockers above and below the step, the fire hydrant locker door and the upper steering position floor. I am pleased with what Andy has turned out from my efforts, so hopefully this might help a few folk with what can be an awkward little build.
Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on August 04, 2017, 05:08:09 PM
Hi Kim
Have to say Andy's done a nice job of those parts from your masters.
Now you can get on with fitting them  {-)

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on August 05, 2017, 12:28:36 AM
Hi Kim been looking at the pictures you have put on that Andy has made of your bits. I noticed that the right side of the aperture under the upper steering position should be flush and not set back. Also the rear cockpit wall should it not be like your photo on your CD. But very nice bits that are a pain to make I know have made 3 cockpits to date.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on August 05, 2017, 12:31:39 AM
Hi forgot to put this photo on it shows a lip around the edge of the back wall plus a pole which I would think is for support.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 05, 2017, 02:36:54 PM
John, you are not wrong regarding the starboard side being flush on your photos [and possibly on most boats], but I have said in my Post on 27th July that the whole of this unit is about 90% correct and in the last Post above that 'all of this can be adjusted with either styrene or glass fibre sheet' by each modeller to make it correct for their lifeboat. Andy has brought my attention to a number of little 'peculiarities' from boat to boat reminding me that the first eight or so were made at Berthons and those since by SAR Composites [I think they were formerly Green Marine and bought up by the RNLI to become SAR under them] and each boat is put together and these 'units' when added at the main build could or would be slightly different. But not a major correction - a small rectangle of sheet, cut to the same size of possibly 1.5mm sheet, glued to what is there and all is corrected. That's what I'll do once I have got down and measured the indent [or not] on 13-02. At the same time I will get to look at the life-raft cannister supports underneath it.
Regarding the rear upper steering position wall - I have made the actual 'blank'. This now needs to be detailed with various items including the rear back supports fixtures. I will possibly mill this to get the support protrusion you mention and therefore the right thickness at this point. As for the 'pole', this is the electric cable feed pipe for the electrics to the speaker and the electric contact plate that gives the information back to the System Screens that the telecomms tower is in the lowered or raised [and fixed] up position. Again these pieces can easily be added and detailed with either tube or rod.
Of course all the other little strengthening supports that sit under each hand rail fixing position have yet to be cut and fixed on, but I thought this better to do at the time of fabricating each hand rail.
Along way to go and a lot of detail to add, but this was just to get the main corridor and upper steering position with its instrument console made for my model, replacing what I had and allowing for the whole to be fixed together and a more solid, one piece wheelhouse in its entirety.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 09, 2017, 11:09:02 AM
I got into the workshop for a couple of hours yesterday and was going to put together the corridor and upper steering position parts that Andy had returned from the moulding process, to make a more solid unit. However, on thinking about it I decided that with all the detailing and drilling of holes for the stainless steel bolts and screws that will affix the fixtures and fittings, this might be better done later. I have not decided on the painting procedure yet and this area is going to me a small 'nightmare' to spray [especially if using a 'rattle can'] and also detail paint. So while I had the rear bulkhead / wall as a separate unit I decided to:
I had already typed this up once and when I posted it one of the photos was at 301kb - so it came up 'error' and I lost the lot!! Still do not know if there is a way to get this back when it happens? Hope I have not forgotten anything I typed first time. Well here goes - hope it is accepted!

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on August 09, 2017, 11:45:30 AM
Looking really good Kim great skills as usual.
colin
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on August 10, 2017, 12:56:17 AM
Morning Kim...still following on.....I didn't quite understand  %) the yellow box around the tube/pipe transition??

In the real vessel, are all of these larger diameter.... OD tubes or NB pipes? and beatifically TIG welded stainless or alloy?....and how will you make that ~~135 degree transition bend & the concentric reducers just above the bend?

"when I posted it one of the photos was at 301kb - so it came up 'error' and I lost the lot!! Still do not know if there is a way to get this back"  >>:-(

Am sure this has happened to most of us at some stage.... for anything more than 5 lines..... I type the text into MS Outlook....can check, edit & save etc.....[it auto saves the message in Drafts Folder so is easily accessible] ...then copy & paste into the MBM page .......

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 10, 2017, 03:09:10 PM
Colin, great to hear from you again and thanks for the comment. Are you building at the moment and if so what? If not are you enjoying 'the fruits of your labours'?
Derek, welcome back, I thought you might be hibernating - but trust you are well?
The little yellow box [so wonderfully taught me by an antipodean] is showing where I have drawn in the bottom part of the door hinge and - hey presto - it mimicks the angle of the rear rail to the 'gob-eye' fairlead! Nice touch, I thought.
Regarding the fabricating of these for my model, I shall be making the rails and stanchions now in brass, both rod and tube, and bending on my superb little Robbe tube bender. Where the gauges of metal change I will machine on the lathe two cones [with studs on either end that will be soldered into the relevant other rail. These will then be primed and sprayed the 'flecked' anodised light aluminium silver colour.
Derek, thanks too for the tip on typing up, I had worked out that if I 'Copy' it before I send it will allow me to 'Paste' should it go wrong on the second attempt. I now have two methods, thanks.
As to the construction or metal used on the real lifeboat, I will try and get some information this Sunday [13th] at the Dungeness RNLS Open Day.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 10, 2017, 03:24:26 PM
Folks, a couple of days ago I got the very new and latest design magazine 'Lifeboats - Past and Present', which replaces the former 'Newsletter' for the Lifeboat Enthusiasts' Society. In recent months there have been a number of changes for various reasons - one being that John and Pam Francis who started the Society have hung up their pens after 52 years!
If you want to join you get the magazine three times a year and a handbook once a year, detailing all the whereabouts and info on lifeboats and their tractors - a great reference work. Send a cheque for 18 - and made out to the RNLI to Tony Denton [Membership Secretary], Dawn, Upper Battlefield, Shrewsbury, SY4 4AA. The magazine has as its Editor Nicholas Leach - need I say more? It really is a marvelous volume and very informative and well documented. You will not be disappointed, that I can guarantee you! Some 'pics' to whet your appetite.
Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on August 10, 2017, 11:04:18 PM
Hi Kim, not building at the moment had best part of a year of life getting in the way as it does, still got into the shed today so hope to sort it out and get back to the Tyne sometime in September.
On a more cheerful note found the Facebook page a couple of days ago for the LES wondered how to join it appears your post is very timely.
Peace colin
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 11, 2017, 10:09:29 AM
Colin et al,
Don't forget to put your own address with your LBES cheque [made out to RNLI] and also say you are a new member! Easily forgotten - I've done it myself and wondered why goods did not turn up -  it would give Tony a big headache! He might wonder why so many are suddenly joining though.
Colin, just enjoy what good happens and when it fits in with the rest of 'life's rich pattern'.
Happy modelling and 'tidy' sheds and workshops.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 11, 2017, 11:07:37 PM
Having got the exterior door frame glued into position it then needed the 'water seal' protusion to be added. This I made from 1mm white styrene sheet at a depth of 5.5mm, cut into three smaller lengths. I formed each one separately into its position, gently coaxing the shape and when satisfied I used the EMA plastic-weld to fix into position, making sure the rear [interior edge] was against the bench cutting mat surface, thus making sure it had a uniform edge and protusion. Each went well, but there was an excess 'squidge' of glue in places and this needed to be left over night to harden off before tidying up. When this had been done I:
I then remembered that Andy from MbD had made a resin 'generic' door [also used on the Trent and Severn classes, but hinged on the opposite side], so I dug that out to look at, but decided I would continue with mine as I was going to machine my fixtures and fittings for this later.
I had also filled a few other scratches and dips in the upper steering position and corridor and when all was dry and hardened off, sanded and contoured the surfaces smooth. This was followed with another light dusting of grey primer.
All in all I am pleased with this and might stop here and tomorrow [Saturday] start to make a few rails for the wheelhouse, just to give a contrast of items produced on the model for the Open Day this Sunday at Dungeness, especially as a few of the crew have their own MbD Shannons under construction and might want to see some of the items I have fabricated.
The good news is that I am now up to date with the 'burning' of some DVDs of Shannon class photos [also a Severn and Arun one too] for models sold recently, so am able to take another 60 to RNLS Dungeness on Sunday and hope that with the collecting box contents I might be able to make it another 100 by the close of play. If you are coming down, don't forget your wallets!! Remember the lifeboat launches at 1400hrs.

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 11, 2017, 11:16:26 PM
Final photos.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on August 12, 2017, 09:17:30 AM
Hi Kim
Cracking along there great progress  :-))

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 12, 2017, 10:07:29 AM
Thanks Derek,
It appears to be painfully slow at times, an hour here and two hours there in the workshop, and what have you to show for it - a hole with an edge around it!! Also, as you know, you have to get each stage correct and finished before moving on, but it's rewarding in a small way. Like you, that's why I like the 'semi-scratch' build side of modelling.
Well, off to the workshop for the morning to make a handrail for the Port side roof. Will it go well and to plan? This afternoon it's 'charge everything' for tomorrow and then get everything out and lined up in the lounge [that might not go down too well!!] for the very early off to Dungeness in the morning - leaving at 0630hrs, after loading [similar display to what you saw at Alfold]!!
Have a good weekend, it will soon be 'Broomfield' in the Park Festival.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 12, 2017, 11:46:44 PM
As well as getting all my gear ready for tomorrow's Open Day at Dungeness I did have a short time in the workshop, where I made a start on the rails. I do like brass for these as they normally take knocks and bangs and various pressures when being loaded and unloaded, and I've even seen adults push and break them at the Newhaven Open Day a few years back - hence my reluctance to use plastic and cast resin - it's the best way to save 'heart ache' further down the line - they are a pain to mend and normally never look the same again [and they are weakened]. Fine for a display model, but for me, not for a 'working' radio controlled one that live on the pond or lake alongside other club members' vessels!
So back to silver soldering skills. Firstly I :
Next week I will attempt to do this and also make the Starboard side rail. Then I will get to grips with the pulpit rail on the fore deck.
It's been a busy week, as a number of you making this model are sending PMs, emails and also 'phone calls, to get information on how to complete items on your Shannons and find certain measurements either off the RNLI plans or from my notes made when visiting RNLB The Morrell at Dungeness. Do place the odd picture here of your progress - please.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 16, 2017, 12:15:59 PM
What a great weekend and Monday!!
MBM brings so many of us together in build matters and socially at Shows and at other times. As you will know from above it was to be the Dungeness RNLS Open Day, with the New Romney Sea Cadet Corps of Drums Band, the Kent Police Rapid Response Weapons Team, wine, beer, B-B-Q, candy floss and Ice cream machines, books, sweets, plants sales, tombola, childrens' rides, the Station's Shop, the LBES Model Display and of course ..........the Schnell Family over from Germany - Arno [Swiftdoc], Andrea his wife and daughter Anke!!!
This was a truly wonderful day, well organised by Fund Raising Chairperson Georgie and everyone readied by the Coxswain Stuart Adams and his trusty Engineer and 2nd Coxswain Trevor Bunney. The LOM [Lifeboat Operations Manager] Roger Gillet took full responsibility for the day.
I am downloading a few of my shots to give a feel of the day. You will see the Littlestone 'schaulchboot' - tube boat, being the Atlantic '75 RIB and also the Coastguard helicopter. There is a picture of Trevor spinning the Shannon through 360 degrees on the water jets - impressive. Down by the waters edge I counted roughly 500 visitors, including Arno who was in 'seventh heaven'!!. They were most generous and my collecting boxes contained the most ever at a one day show - 88 [a 20, 3x10, 3x5 and many 2 coins. That and the DVD monies and collecting box contents from the Alfold Charity Show meant I handed over 138. Thanks to all concerned for this great amount. By 1800hrs all was packed away - you will see 13-02 recovered onto the carriage, but prior to its spin of 180 degrees, ready for the next Launch.
Monday brought a visit to Alan's [17-09] boatyard above the cliffs at Dover - Arno and the ladies were most impressed with what they saw - and we all got some of Mrs. 17-09's wonderful cheese pastries!!
I hope you enjoy the photos, they will come in four batches across the next hour or so.
Kim
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 16, 2017, 12:20:04 PM
Next.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 16, 2017, 12:25:07 PM
And the next! Notice the different lengths to the two major VHF [whip] aerials, something that is easily overlooked in some models.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 16, 2017, 12:28:49 PM
And finally!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on August 16, 2017, 12:45:43 PM
Great pics Kim, I should think the station was very happy with your contributions congratulations on the amounts you raise  :-))
 Hopefully next year I shall get along to the open day just need to get the date in the diary.
peace colin
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on August 16, 2017, 07:39:38 PM
Kim, you are right: Sunday and Monday were days we will never forget. Thank you, Alan and Alan's wife for the warm and heartily welcome you gave us. It was so much more than we might have expected. Attending the launch of the Shannon lifeboat was very impressive indeed.


The quality of your model and the ones Alan showed us is outstanding. It gave me so much inspiration and I am thankful for that.


Kind regards


Arno & family


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 20, 2017, 11:52:05 PM
More inspiration for model Shannon lifeboat builders.
Just got these photos from Andy of his Shannon 13-02 in a boatyard in France, nearing completion!! She will be coming to an English port or Show near you soon. Must say, this does look good - keep up the great work Chris! Shows what can be done when scratch building on a semi-kit.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 20, 2017, 11:55:23 PM
Folk will remember this is the original hull colour scheme and there is a choice to do the second one which now has the 'anthracite' anti-fouling colour paint below the 'boot topping'.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on August 21, 2017, 09:09:52 AM
Great work and skills  :-))
Colin
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on August 24, 2017, 07:54:35 PM

Although the Shannon was designed primarily to be launched from the beach, using the Supacat Launch and Recovery System, there is now a Slipway Launched Shannon stationed at Swanage in Dorset. I was lucky enough to be down in Dorset delivering my daughter to her PGL holiday near Weymouth on the same day that Swanage had their annual open day - how fortunate was that! So obviously I made a small detour to visit and take a few photos. The only differences that I could spot, between this particular boat, 13-13, and the SL&RS boats, were the omission of the Sea Catch, and a black rubber or plastic moulding hiding the recess where the recovery strop is usually located, in the bow.  However i'm sure Kim's eagle eye will flush out any others! Anyway, here are my photos - enjoy:)
Charlie
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 24, 2017, 10:08:35 PM
Charlie,
Many thanks for these ten wonderful photos of something most of have not yet had the chance to witness. I would have been proud to have taken any of them! You have also shown us a big detail that none of us have covered so far - the searchlight used - on the Starboard side of the upper steering position. Have you or anyone else [reading this] got a close-up shot? If so please post here. I will make sure I get some photos when I visit Dungeness next, for the DVDs I produce - why have I not thought of this before?!!
Some good additions and information.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on August 24, 2017, 10:48:48 PM

Hi Kim,
Yes I do. I have also posted a couple of clips of the launch process onto my YouTube Channel here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YrZXfvDUy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ecjNFspLM
Charlie

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 26, 2017, 11:16:32 AM
Thanks Charlie,
That's informative and a good start - a great help.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 27, 2017, 12:42:35 PM
Charlie,
Just watched your two YouTube videos, prior to Sunday lunch and the Belgian GP. You were in the right place and captured the essence of it all. Goes to show how each member of the crew is drilled and ready for their own individual jobs - proper team work. Wished that more folk looked at these and then did not critisize that the RNLI 'waste money' putting to sea once or twice a week when there is no emergency!! This is why they are ready when the real call comes. Also, saw that a Shore Crew member had a yellow Gecko helmet - first one I've seen. Your video also shows the dependence on each other of the Lifeboat Crew and the Shore Crew [the latter quite often made up of ex-lifeboat crew, who know the job inside out]. That was real 'history' for me - the man releasing the rear retaining strop and watching 13-13 gently gain momentum. Thanks for Posting these, I am sure they will be watched thousands of times over. Just want to see it for myself now!!
Arno, if you are reading this - do watch, you'll be back next Summer, maybe a visit to RNLI HQ and Swanage?!!
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on August 27, 2017, 01:29:15 PM
Hi Kim,
During the recovery, there were 2 Shore crew on the Slipway. One had a yellow Gecko, and the other had an orange one. Possibly the colour denotes their respective roles, as the commentator mentioned that it was the Head Launcher wearing the orange helmet. One other point of interest is that there now appear to be 2 different ALB Crew Kits. All the crew were wearing the familiar yellow kit, except one crew lady, who was wearing a more florescent coloured kit. Maybe the RNLI are changing their ALB kit, i don't know.
Charlie
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 27, 2017, 03:13:16 PM
Some good points and information there Charlie, thanks. It will now make for some choices of colour schemes for those that want to 'bring their models to life' on the water, if they are not modelling a particular lifeboat or crew from a particular RNLS. You have given us some interesting insights.
Happy photographing and modelling.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on August 28, 2017, 02:02:28 AM
Charlie.....

At the commencement of this Pt 2 video..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ecjNFspLM of the launching  of the Swanage Boat, we see & hear the exhaust flap from the Stdb engine 'flapping' prior to the vessel entering the water ....do these engines run any form of sea water cooling?...or is the engine cooling system/radiator totally self contained without an intercooler?...[they talk of heavy duty sea water pumps in the attached text]

I had seen images of a new engine set [Scania D13?] in one of thee vessels as posted by CC, however no detail on the cooling system was evident

Derek 
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on August 29, 2017, 04:21:58 PM
Hi Derek,
I don't have any info on the cooling system i'm afraid.
Charlie
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: gregk9 on August 29, 2017, 05:17:08 PM
Did a bit of trawling on the Scania site. they seem to list 2 options. 1/ keel mounted heat exchanger. 2/ direct sea water cooling. So all depends on which RNLI opted for, which afraid Scania site does not state.
I dare say if anyone has had the opportunity to check out a Shannon engine bay, they might be able to let us all know. O0
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: kinmel on August 29, 2017, 05:36:46 PM
All of the "launched" ALBs start and test their engines before entering the water.

They have onboard water tanks and radiators, just like your car, I am not sure if they can run indefinitely.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: McGherkin on August 29, 2017, 06:53:47 PM
This might answer your question!


(http://www.berthon.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/shannon-class-water-jets-ilfracombe-lifeboat.jpg)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: me3 on August 29, 2017, 07:29:48 PM
They have a closed fresh water circuit that circulates the engines, which is then cooled by raw sea water in a heat exchanger - this is to prevent the engine getting clogged with sea water weed / barnacles etc. The raw water is taken from the sea through a skin fitting and passes through a filter or sea strainer. The engines have metal water pumps so they can be run dry for a period of time. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: McGherkin on August 29, 2017, 09:32:27 PM
Yup  :-))

Until the engine reaches its running temperature it doesn't actually need any external cooling/radiator at all, since the coolant flow will be directed back through the block by the thermostat. Of course though, the Jabsco pump will still try to pump seawater, so having a somewhat heavier duty version which can be run dry would be appropriate in this case.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on August 29, 2017, 10:51:14 PM
Thanks all.... :-))

The image shown below is naturally exhaust with sea water cooling exiting both engines....as mentioned the Scania WEB pages did not differentiate the cooling configuration for the RLNI vessels.....although from you comments is now understood

The real answer is that the engines must have the ability to be started & maintained for a period of time [xxx?] out of the water or on the skids etc

[my only experience with small craft {say to 20 tonnes} when slipped/docked is to have a shore side water supply connected to the engines intercoolers prior to starting the engines etc]

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: me3 on August 30, 2017, 07:25:23 AM
The raw water pumps have metal impellers instead of rubber so they don't burn out when run without water!  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on August 30, 2017, 10:01:18 AM
They have a closed fresh water circuit that circulates the engines, which is then cooled by raw sea water in a heat exchanger - this is to prevent the engine getting clogged with sea water weed / barnacles etc. The raw water is taken from the sea through a skin fitting and passes through a filter or sea strainer. The engines have metal water pumps so they can be run dry for a period of time. Hope this helps.


Now that sounds right. When the boat was back inside the boathouse, one of the crew opened up the hatches on the aft deck and took out a cylindrical strainer, and removed the seaweed that was wrapped around it. This was done on both sides. The strainers were then clipped back into position and the deck hatches closed. Unfortunately i didn't take a photo of that.


Charlie
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 30, 2017, 11:56:26 AM
Thanks for all the inputs to this response from Derek 'Down-under'. I know ME3's 'pedigree' and that was an informed comment, followed by Charlie's observations from his Swanage visit and other folks' comments. I emailed Trevor Bunney, the Dungeness 13-02 engineer / mechanic, and have got his replies this morning, which I will try to copy and paste here, along with a photo of mine, highlighting what Trevor refers to.
I hope this all helps and takes us forward regarding the Gilkes raw water cooling pumps method - a visit to their website in the Lake District is well worth a visit. This will certainly now help me in my understanding when I give talks on the launch and recovery of this lifeboat.
Thanks to each.
Kim

Hi Kim,
The Shannon is fitted with raw water cooling pumps which pump seawater around the engine to keep the coolant and oil cool, they are Gilkes pumps which can run dry for about 15mins, they have stainless impellers in them in order to do this, the pick up is that large black pipe which comes off the side of the jets on the stern outboard side, from there it goes through the hull and up to the filter baskets which are in lockers on the aft deck, hope that helps,
Regards,
Trevor

The flapping noise you refer to is merely the exhaust gas leaving the exhaust port, prior to having seawater running through them, once at sea and when seawater is running through them that noise disappears; the Mersey did exactly the same.
Trevor
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Netleyned on August 30, 2017, 02:09:49 PM
For a beach launched craft and not very old
the anodes which are everywhere seem to
be degrading at an alarming rate.
Ned
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 30, 2017, 02:33:09 PM
Ned,
I did make this observation myself a year or so ago. I was reminded that she is the first Shannon to be placed on station and therefore many 'little things' have had to be sorted - mainly to do with the water-jets - this requiring regular visits back to Lymington, where she sat afloat, whilst RNLS Dungeness had a Relief lifeboat, normally 13-04 RNLB Storm Rider. I believe most of those remedies have stood the test of time. I was told she also had a leaking fuel tank [very small] and this was resolved some time later at Lymington too. Next time I speak to Trevor I will enquire further. At least they are doing their job - I am sure I was told there were 57 sacrificial anodes around the stern water-jet area, or has my ageing memory played a trick? I'll find that one out too.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Netleyned on August 30, 2017, 02:43:40 PM
Thanks for that CC
The main thing is they are doing the job
and protecting some expensive engineering
for a small outlay :-))
Ned
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 04, 2017, 04:58:51 PM
Well, over a month has gone by since I last Posted here. Not been totally idle - couple of Model Boat Shows attended with the LBES display, another couple of visits to Dungeness RNLS, DVDs made for those that have recently started a Shannon model build, parts bought - all in the name of stores for the workshop, the wheelhouse door started.........................and all those other parts of life that seem to get in the way of modelling!
The next few Posts through today and tomorrow will bring:
So to the door. Measurements were taken from the plans and three different thicknesses of styrene card were used.I hope it makes sense and completes the first Post.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 04, 2017, 11:59:38 PM
I have to acknowledge, here, my thanks to Trevor Bunney, the full time engineer on 13-02. He gives me lots of information and answers all my questions regarding this fabulous lifeboat - it does make my job easier when I travel up and down the country giving my illustrated talk to all sorts of groups on the 'Launch and Recovery of the Dungeness Shannon Class Lifeboat'.
So, spurred on by Charlie's observation and photo of the Swanage boat's searchlight, I went down a fortnight ago and asked Trevor to get the searchlight out.' Which one', he said, 'there are two'. It turns out one is stored in the Fore-peak Survivors' cabin and this is used on the two location points on the top rail of the Pulpit Rail - Port and Starboard. The other is stored on the Starboard side locker of the upper steering position and this is either located on the Starboard side point as depicted in Charlie's photo or on the stern deck railing on the Port side as in my photos here. These are the four positions.
As Trevor had been fitting new impellers to the two water-jets the previous week he showed me one of the stainless bands placed inside the tunnel around the impeller, which then has a plastic sleeve between that and the actual water-jet tunnel itself. This bares the brunt of the stones and shingle thrown at the tunnel sides during operation. Impressive.
During my attendance he was working in the engine room, so the H&S grille was fitted to stop me falling in! There are two of these - one is kept in the engine room and used at sea, should the stern engine room access hatch be used and the other is kept on the wall of the Crew access gallery wall.
Finally, I wanted to check what type of life-raft containers were used and whether the bow [wheelhouse Port side 'nose' one was the same as that under the step up into the upper steering position - it was. I now have the full measurements of this and the runners underneath the container of the latter. Trevor was slightly reluctant to get this out as it is heavy and also marks the deck [that anti-slip paint is vicious!!], but he did it and would not let me clean the deck up afterwards - a real gent.
Finally, it was Mk1 [John] who said that the areas under the steps at the stern were indented to the Port side and flush on the Port side - totally right, now that I have got down on my knees and looked - thanks, another small piece of detail that will be rectified on my model.
If any of you dozens of modellers that have purchased my DVD of photos would like the last few Folders [visits for the corridor, extra upper steering position instrument and searchlight details + life-raft container] of these photos, then send me a PM and a reminder of your address and I send another DVD with them on [there are more than just shown here] - just let me know the last Folder number on your current DVD.
Well, hope this is informative and helps with your own model builds.
Kim
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 05, 2017, 12:13:12 AM
Just to say, the last photo shows the forward life-raft container where it sits on similar runners. The stern runners are each lifted off the deck by three small blocks down each side [the screw heads are just visible]. If anyone wants the measurements here, just send me a PM or an email. Cheers.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on October 05, 2017, 08:15:31 AM



Kim the level of detail and information being given on this thread to help others is outstanding, without mentioning the DVDs you produce. I would just like to say THANKS very much for your time and effort.  :-))


 Peace Colin
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 05, 2017, 03:16:14 PM
Colin, thanks for your kind words and encouragement, they are much appreciated. Of course there are other good 'teachers' on this Lifeboat heading that do a great job too - Neil, Charlie, Tiny69, Griebeauval and Son [Mike and David] and as for Shannons the great two scratch builds of Mk1 [John]. Each of these gents has explained and photographed their marine creations, the research involved, mistakes made and tools used along the way, as well as planning and procedural approach. This shared knowledge not only helps those wanting to build their own boats, but also gets the 'readership' questioning our techniques used and even coming up with other ways [sometimes better and not even thought of!!] to approach a certain part of the build - great! I know just how many of these Shannons have been sold and how many of these are embarking on their first model boat project - through 'phone calls, emails and PMs received. As it is a semi-scratch build, information passed on hopefully makes the venture slightly more enjoyable and possibly not so expensive on mistakes made through 'lessons learnt'. The more that join in keep our great hobby alive and enduring, long past my time on this 'mortal coil'!!
So to the continuing build and my thoughts on my approach to the water-jets. You will see from the photographs that there is;
Thomas, the owner / manufacturer of these KMB water-jets, must wonder where the 'explosion' of mainly UK requests for his units have come from, although I did warn him this might happen when I enquired of him the availability of these units some eighteen months ago!! Maybe I'll get a German Christmas card!!
Strange though, a couple of days ago a package of two water-jets [as at 1] above] came to me on behalf of an RNLI employee at Dungeness who is also building one of MbDs model. When I checked the contents I could not but chuckle - they are now fitted with a flange, just like the ones I had machined down!! Life is strange at times.
Well, I hope you have followed my 'ramblings' here. Just ask if not, but it reminds me of my good friend 17-21 [Phil Locke] who years ago developed various 'drive trains' [along with Ian from Derby] of the Speedline 1/12th Severn class and then the Tamar with his radio controlled working transom door for the 'Y' boat - the develoement often comes from one [sometimes two] source, where the ideas require an injection of cash to develope - only for everyone else to use after they have been proven!! This above has been reasonably cheap - in the grand scheme of things, I'll just charge it to 'house-keeping' - but if others can benefit, then we have taken the hobby forward. Back to where Colin brought us in with his kind comments.
Cheers,
Kim - C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on October 06, 2017, 07:31:22 AM
Hi Kim just looking at your bit on the KMB jets. When I bought mine with the short nozzle the Black ring that you show was in with the jets kits [both sets of jets] and they fit the short nozzle okay. The problem I found is by using the short nozzle you have to have room for it to turn in the Hood and this is were the water escapes out the back under pressure. I have tried many way to stop this but have not found a perfect answer yet. The best I have cone up with is to extend the short nozzle as much as you can so it just clears the hood when you rise and lower and turn it. My boat goes quite well in reverse [I think] not tried it out against any other persons ones and due to health problems am unlikely to have it in the water again.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 06, 2017, 12:04:37 PM
Leading up to the St. Albans MES Show I thought I would make the 'whip aerials' [VHF] on either side of the wheelhouse, to give the model a little more height and presence whilst on display.
So, using 1/2" [12.7mm] aluminium rod stock I machined them both down, having drilled a 2mm hole in the centre first. The flange was 10mm diameter and the pivot protrusion 3mm. These were 'fixed' temporarily to the sides of the wheelhouse, having first marked their positions on masking tape and then re-checking before drilling! This worked and then my fear came true when attempting to make the bottom ends of the main sections of aerial in carbon rod - it split and did not like the drill at all. So after a number of attempts and lack of time what you see is what I got. I will attempt to make them now in brass and aluminium [like those on my Trent and Arun class lifeboat models] and spray them later. Hopefully this will get done next week, in time for the 'Warwick' Show.
A small progress, but not so much to read this time.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 06, 2017, 02:04:33 PM
Just one point of observation, whilst photographing the Shannon a fortnight ago. I had seen the previous photos of my wheelhouse roof bracket for the whip aerial seemed to show that it 'leaned' forward, however, one has to be wary of distortion - especially when the wide-angle setting has been used. But no, when I looked at the actual item it was constructed to lean forward. This, I think, is due to the fact that the aerial is inclined forward and, therefore, the 'tongue' that locates into the sprung aperture needs to enter at a small angle to locate smoothly. I measured the angle of inline and it was 12mm if a straight line was put to the perpendicular. So at this scale [1/12th] - a 1mm incline. Another small detail sorted. I have added the photos to show what I mean.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 06, 2017, 02:22:19 PM
My final Post for the day - some bits that arrived from Hiroboy, a company I have used before, but from their Japan supply warehouse. They seem to now have a base in Tewkesbury, UK. I had gone to the site after Arno [SwiftDoc] had been in discussion with me over model racing car matters. And this is where I originally found them, as that is another 'arm' of my modelling interests. Through this, when trawling their website, there are many, many items that can be used on the 1/12th [and 1/6th] scale lifeboats we build. So I stock up my workshop boxes, ready for use in some distant year!! Here are some of them - weld lines, hex nuts, concentric circles for instrument panels, screw heads and the one that looks like a length of wire is - 100x 2mmx 1mm neodymium magnets, superb for holding on small panels and fixings that might need removing to show hidden detail [mostly on my racing car engine covers]. The 2mm and 2.6mm braided wire from Tamiya I would rate at 90 out of 100, those I have sourced from Tuner Manufactory, in the past, I would rate at 100/100 - superb.
I think the photos allow you to see the items, their product numbers and the main manufacturer, although all of these were sourced from Hiroboy. As they say on the other side of the 'pond' - enjoy!!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on October 06, 2017, 02:27:48 PM
Hi Kim
Interesting as normal keep it up with the posting.

Regards

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 09, 2017, 03:43:06 PM
Having an 'itsy-bitsy' day today - clearing some emails, tidying my photo Folders on the external hard drives and tidying up my workshop. In doing this I came across the attached photos of when I went tothe MME foundry at Faversham Creek to pick up some sacrificial anodes for a good friend of mine, Andy Ianetta, who at the time owned the ex-RNLI Arun Class lifeboat 'RNLB Mabel Alice' 52-24 from Penlee. He ordered them one day and I went to pick them up the next day and delivered them to him at Ramsgate Harbour that afternoon, before he, John and Rob took 52-24 up the East Coast. They were half the price of those purchased from the normal chandlery. Spot the guy that had cast them - sent out on a bit of a 'wind up' by his mates! The two long ones went on the keel plates and the two circular ones on the trim planes [tabs] on either stern transom corner.
Just thought it was of interest, as we were speaking of the Shannon's many sacrificial anodes around the water jets a few Posts back[Replies#471-473  ], so know the not insignificant cost back then.
Talking of water-jets, I finished off the small hex bolts around the stern Port side water-jet's plate the other day and then added both of the new Riva-Calzoni I had purchased from KMB. I think they look more the part, akin to the actual ones on the real boat. I am now playing around with a couple more of them to make some semi-scale reversing buckets, whilst closing off and fixing the bottom reversing system they use. I will also remove the little rudders on them. Only time will tell if it works and what they look like.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 14, 2017, 11:46:03 AM
Yesterday a little package arrived with the new tap and die set in it. Found it on Amazon - do search around though, as the same set came up with a price difference of 15!! I got this for 25 [GB Sterling] and from within the UK [Brexit speak]. Yes, it is from China, cheap, but not too nasty and fine for my limited and miniature purposes.
The set comprises dies of 1mm, 1.1mm, 1.2mm, 1.4mm, 1.6mm, 1.8mm, 2mm, 2.2mm and 2.5mm and a die holder. Then the equivalent taps [two of each] and two converter plates to use with the handle provided for the taps. You will see that I have one of the taps mounted in a Moore and Wright miniature tap holder [if it could talk it might well say 'what is this rubbish you've inserted!']. The set is purported to be of HSS. So far great value for my needs at this size. Next week I will get round to using it 'in anger'.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: gregk9 on October 14, 2017, 01:37:33 PM
Hi Kim, Ive had one of those threading sets for a couple of years now.....to put you at ease...its not yet let me down and all sizes still work great, even  when putting a small thread in a resin casting. Its just the end torque that takes some ,er adjustment to reduce pulling the thread out.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 14, 2017, 05:32:17 PM
Thanks Steve,
I've used these sizes before - and like you I've gone straight into resin and GRP and for some applications this is fine, others NOT. But I have acquired a number stainless bolts now at 1.4mm and 1.6mm from Germany and in looking for some taps found this set, at a not too silly price.
You commendation makes me a happy man as I build up my appetite for my Saturday night curry!!
Cheers and thanks for your interest and information.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 21, 2017, 03:15:10 PM
Whilst sitting here with an enforced 'rest' period I am watching a superb game of snooker [English Open live on Quest] between Kyren Wilson and the Swiss Alexander Ursenbacher, who I have never seen before - he'll be a World Champion one day - marvellous concentration. All of this while I wait for the US Grand Prix [F1] Practice 3 Session and the Qualifying live on Channel 4!
So what have I been up to. Well, as a preface, thanks to all those that have sent encouraging emails and PMs regarding the detail and help this 'thread' is giving to a good number of Shannon builders. Also, thanks for the very generous spirit when paying for the Shannon DVDs you have ordered - I took another 110 down to RNLS Dungeness on Wednesday, all from the last two months. I also took one of the senior staff his KMB water-jets and flanges for brushless motors, these I had ordered for him and his MbD Shannon build - he only lives some 200yards from the actual lifeboat!! Having driven the 37 miles there, I decided to take more photos [never too many] and some more of my own measurements and notes to compliment the RNLI plans. I now have seventeen pages of these. You think you know the vessel, but the more you look the more 'little' details you find to be different and will need to get correct.
This is what I found out this visit:
There were other small details too, but more photos of the above and these other parts, alongside a more comprehensive set of close-ups of the Survivor Gantry workings [hinges, support stay, lock mechanism and light] are now on a new Folder - number 19.
So, a little nearer the motor racing slot and another 'thread' up to date. I hope to make a start on the aerial mountings tomorrow.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 21, 2017, 03:20:46 PM
Final few photos [only ten allowed per Post].
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 27, 2017, 11:30:18 PM
Spoke to Andy [MbD] earlier in the week and he sent me the attached photo of another of his Shannons [for shop display purpose only] sat on top of an 'on loan' Supercat tractor and carriage [SLAR] from the dynamic Pendlebury duo - Mike and David - at the Blackpool Show last weekend. Andy loaned them a Shannon! Fair exchange.......................
I've included two photos from my Knightcote LBES May 2017 Meeting report for Marine Modelling International, but they never made it due to them going into Administration!! Here they are - the 'dynamic duo'.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: gribeauval on October 28, 2017, 03:51:51 PM
The Slars units do look good with a Shannon on the back.  {-)

David stopped everybody in their tracks when he went 'walkabout' with his unit and the on loan shannon hull/superstructure from Andy.
All we need now is a pool with a ramp to launch and recover the boat.  :-))


Mike
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 28, 2017, 03:59:55 PM
Hi Mike - totally agree and thanks for the inspiration. Will you and your units be at the 'Warwick' Show in a fortnight? If not [yet] give John Owen a PM / email and see if you can get on the LBES stand with the rest of us. You would be most welcome, but we might need another two tables!!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Stavros on October 29, 2017, 01:22:48 AM
The Slars units do look good with a Shannon on the back.  {-)

David stopped everybody in their tracks when he went 'walkabout' with his unit and the on loan shannon hull/superstructure from Andy.
All we need now is a pool with a ramp to launch and recover the boat.  :-))


Mike




Can be arranged for Blackpool next year


Dave
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 29, 2017, 05:00:32 PM
Now, today has been a relaxing day - resting that wretched leg so that I can hopefully reach 'Warwick' in a reasonable state, not for the model boats, but for all the cake that is going to be available during the day and the curries in Leamington at night!!!!
So while I am waiting for the Mexican GP to come on I have been searching the Internet for more 'goodies' to put into the stores boxes in the workshop and came back with a company I have used on numerous occasions and mentioned before - www.prime-miniatures.co.uk (http://www.prime-miniatures.co.uk) . And 'lo and behold' [getting ready for Christmas there! - now that Arno has given me a Techi Advent Calender] I came up with these wonderful little brass clevis pins, that on looking at are virtually the right size for the VHF and MF aerial base hinges. So I have ordered some and also a lot of other items - have to spend the Pension somehow! Thought I might pass this onto those of you that are building a 1/12th Shannon or similar, so that you can have a look. They should be here quickly as they come with free 1st Class p&p.
Back to spending that Pension..................................C.C. {-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 02, 2017, 11:09:35 AM
The clevis pins and the other items arrived, including some lovely stainless steel stranded wire for the bow strops. I must say that Dominic at Prime-Miniatutres has a superb set-up and customer service. Ordered items [1st Class mail - post 'free'] late on Sunday evening and the items were with me, neatly and strongly packaged by 1100hrs on Tuesday.
I have put the clevis pins to work and the results, so far, are posted here. Off to a doctor's appointment in the City now, hope to get into the workshop on my return to get the angled wheelhouse roof bracket and its locking mechanism under-way and also the top section of the aerial. I am making these as near to the actual mechanism as possible so that I can 'store' the aerials when transporting in the car, like the real lifeboat.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 10, 2017, 12:28:17 AM
All booked in and ready for the IMBS at 'Warwick' over the next three days. Two good matters straight away:-
More to follow tomorrow, hopefully.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on November 10, 2017, 07:06:02 AM
The Shannon looks brilliant, thanks for sharing :-)) :-)) :-)) Showing a Shannon boat in the flesh I am quite sure Andy will sell some of his kits over the weekend ok2 Enjoy the show!!!!!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 10, 2017, 10:19:55 PM
Arno,
Thanks. Good to hear from you - pity you are not here, you would have had a great day with us today and yes, Andy has sold a few Shannons and also taken a number of orders. Quite a few folk have shown an interest in my 'grey' Shannon and asked a lot of good questions. Alan Poole [17-09] has come up with a idea of how I can taper the top sections of the aerials [something I would not have thought of!!], so when I get back I'll try it and when I have a result I will share it.
Also today I had a quick chat with Adrian [Gosling] who popped his head into the Show, but I got called away to do another commentary on the pool. However, it was good to see him up and about - I've not seen him for a while. That said, one gent on this MBM site [Minimariner] did show me some nice photos of his Speedline 1/16th Shannon just 'mocked' up [hull, deck wheelhouse, fendering and deck fixtures and fittings] as he waits for the rest to be delivered - got the impression it was too much of a temptation to just leave it in its box, so has judiciously placed parts together and he was pleased with what he saw as an end product so far. I think he said he had it on display at the Blackpool [or was it Haydock?] Show recently.
Well, maybe I'll take a few photos tomorrow and Post them here if I have time - but Martin [our illustrious MBM Leader and Creator] was here today taking photos and keeping us 'all awake' with his brightly coloured Hawaiian shirt - for which he is famed.
Regards to you and all the 'readership'.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Big Ada on November 11, 2017, 06:37:18 PM
Have you got a photo of the Gateaux please.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 11, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
Sorry Len [Big Ada],
I opened the lid to take a photo and the 'gannets' on the LBES Team and from the King Lear MBC swooped ...........and it was gone - ALL twenty four slices!!!!! That Martin Kinghoward has a lot to answer for! I wouldn't have minded [he gave me the cake], but he kept a bigger cake for the 'judges' and his Team [KLMBC] won the Best Stand in Show - again, next year I might have to take a Christmas hamper up with me!! >:-o <:(
See you soon,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on November 12, 2017, 08:55:14 AM
If a lovely cake will raise your chances to win the prize, maybe Anke should do one for you (she is really good in bakery!) and we will turn up next year {-)


Thank you so much for sharing, it makes me feeling a bit part of the joy you obviously have :-))


Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: baloo on November 13, 2017, 08:03:34 AM
CAKE,have I missed something here,I did not see any CHOCOLATE & CARROT cake,it was "Steamboat Phil" who kept nicking the cake,but the judges did like the cake Ha! Ha!


    Baloo
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 13, 2017, 03:58:16 PM
Whilst walking around the Warwick IMBS yesterday [trying to burn off some of the calories consumed when eating chocolate gateaux, ginger cake and then evening curries at Mem Saab in Leamington] I had my attention drawn by Lee Dickinson [LBES and Southern Model Display Team member] to the launch of the new cast brass impellers by Simon and Daniel Higgins of Protean Design [formerly PropShop]. They are specifically made as an upgrade for the Kehrer Modellbau [KMB] Jet28 water-jet, as used on my Models by Design Shannon class lifeboat here!
They come as:
These have three 'helical' blades, rather than two, on a thinner central hub - giving more blade surface area. They have not been proven yet, however, I have never had or heard of anything coming out of the 'Higgin's Workshop' as not working or not being 'fit for purpose'.
They will sell for 20 each and mine have been ordered and paid for!! Then, when shown to others a small queue formed to order theirs! Simon says that with his order book filling, expect to wait around a fortnight for delivery. I could only find their site / contact on FaceBook [as a Guest].

Put them on your Christmas Present list and send off to Santa!
Please let have feedback here if you fit them on a working version, so we can know the effect they have.

I will Post a few photos from the Lifeboat side of the Show late tonight.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on November 13, 2017, 07:30:40 PM

Hi Kim,
You and all of the other Lifeboat boys certainly put on a good show once again. Andy's Shannon looked the business on the water. I have uploaded a few Videos of the pool action here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U02YHX4Wsw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4OzJV9deTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4AIKZOSAdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgOQcjMI0bs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEOm8_tvJY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42bJZOQ5i7I


Charlie
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: T888 on November 14, 2017, 12:13:45 AM
Hi, Kim,
Do you know if Simon will be doing the impellers right and left handed ? As I'm having power torqued issues with my Shannon.


I've been trying to use the trim tabs to reduce this affect, with some success. However this is also has an second issue. In that when the tabs are fitted as on the actual Shannon. The KMB revseing buckets thrust is being pushed aft by the trim tabs, not forward.



I,ve also fitted modified reversing buckets, but these are still not working as they should. {:-{
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 14, 2017, 01:37:46 AM
Charlie, you really have done the Show, the LBES 'boys and girls' - along with Steve and David from the Phoenix Marine MC - proud with these great video clips. Many thanks. It was good to see you again [and also Martin, our illustrious MBM guru in his electric blue Hawaiian shirt in the bottom video!!]. You have also saved me some time, as I was about to edit down to 299kb some photos of the 'LBES' on the pool, but I only need to do a few of our stand now.
I should think Andy [MbD] will be well pleased that you have shown his Shannon [with semi-scratch build detailing by Chris Scott - Mr. Plastic Fantastic] and allowed others out there to see its manoeuvrability in a tight situation, using KMB [Kehrer Modellbau] Jet28 water-jets fitted with the Calzoni Riva reversing nozzles here. That said, the boat would look 'finished off' if it had a good lifeboat-man figure in the upper steering position - now, I wonder who could supply him with one of those??!! DK Figures? It would save on the postage!!
Dave [T888] I'll answer your questions as best as I can:
Finally here, Mk1 [John], we did mention you at the Show as being the first with a Shannon and that they were totally scratch built - you were not forgotten. Which brings me to the point of the commentary on those videos Charlie - who is droning on there!!??
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 14, 2017, 02:22:48 AM
Here we are, a few shots of the 'teams' boats:
I think I have most of that right, there were a few other loaned, but I do not know the detail.
Along with RNLI videos being played on screen all day we got 3rd Best Society / Club stand in Show. Our thanks to John Owen for organising us all.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: T888 on November 14, 2017, 02:34:33 AM
Thanks, Kim,
As you may already know, I,m good friends with Andy and we have spoken about this many times.


Also my Shannon is based one of Johns Hulls. (MK1)


I've been giving Andy feed back on my set up and issues, so he would not make the same mistakes.


For info, at first I used the KMB KiMeWa units, these worked well but, I had to move the Trim Tabs to outside of the jets. Which was not correct per the actual Shannon.


Currently I have the same out let nozzle as Andy, but I've got my own 3D printed version similar to the Graupner mini Jet buckets. Which has seem to have improved the reversing issue, but I'm still making adjustments to them so I can get them working as close to actual.


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on November 14, 2017, 02:44:38 PM
Charlie, many thanks for the videos. When I watched them I was left speechless.... so many beautiful lifeboats together in the pool! And and a nice presentation as well ...very impressive!

Kim, the brass impellers look promising. I think I would like to place an order but can not get to the FaceBook site of protean props as I am not a member. Do you have an email-adress from them? I am posting the request on the forum as it might be of interest for other users as well.

Once again thank you for sharing that nice weekend at the show with us!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))

Regards

Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Fred Ellis on November 15, 2017, 08:16:20 AM
Hi


Try this
Simon Higgins (Props ex Prop Shop)
 Proteus Design

 simonhiggins181@btinternet.com
 01789565228
 07977193759
Fred
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on November 15, 2017, 10:04:12 AM
Thank you, Fred :-)) I have sent him an email.

Regards

Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 16, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
Firstly, a correction and an apology to Martin [Baloo]. His boat on our stand was the 'Duke of Northumberland' [ON231] and not 'Cumberland' - that's a pub in Barham [Kent] I frequent occasionally.
Dave - I had a long talk with Andy [MbD] yesterday and he has been in touch with Simon and Daniel regarding making a 'handed' set of impellers. However, I then got in touch with Dungeness [RNLI] and they told me that both engines and impellers turn in the same direction and the water jet propulsion created then 'hits' the stator which turns it into a non-biased thrust. He said their stator is nine bladed and fixed into position and is like a reversed impeller. After that the water jet exits through the nozzle that is visible in some of my photos. Our model KMB stator is just four 'cross-haired' blades. Hope this edifies - maybe someone can update us when and if they get the 'opposing' impeller and have fitted it to their Shannon water-jet. He also said that he sold out of Shannons and took quite a few orders at the Show and a few more since his return home, so their ought to be a few on the water next Spring!!
Arno [Swiftdoc] - I only went onto Facebook as a 'guest' to get my details for the implellers, but thanks to Fred we now have the detail. I will email you separately, later today.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Fred Ellis on November 16, 2017, 11:27:18 AM
Hi Swiftdoc


update on contact info,
Address 21,Victoria Cottages, Shipston Road, Stratford Upon Avon, CV37 7LN
Phone No 01789 565228  Mobile 07977193759
Web www.propman.uk.com (http://www.propman.uk.com)


Fred
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 16, 2017, 10:05:58 PM
Gradually catching up with life and jobs, since getting back from the IMBS. Whilst there I overheard a conversation Adrian Clutterbuck was having on our LBES stand, so I asked for a copy of the actual details, which arrived yesterday. It's not what we want to hear [at the moment], but at least you will now know the official line regarding the Shannon and other classes of lifeboat plans for use in modelling from the RNLI. Please pass it on at Club Meetings, as I and a few others spend many hours dealing with queries on this subject by email, PMs, telephone calls and chatting at Shows.
Sorry, but however the email from Adrian has been put together will not allow it to copy. I'll type it up later.
C.C.


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: alan44 on November 16, 2017, 11:19:52 PM
Hi Kim
re: your problem with the email. I have had the same issue and found that forwarding the email to yourself then allows the email to be copied or printed. Hope this is of some help.


kind regards
Alan
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 17, 2017, 09:24:30 AM
Alan, thanks for your suggestion and help - here goes!


Well, that has worked Alan. Something else learnt and you have saved me some time - thanks.Kim

P.S. When I pressed the button it went to 'gobble de gook'. Oh well, worth a try.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 17, 2017, 09:47:45 AM
Alan, I tried and it did not seem to want to do as it was told, but thanks for helping.
Here is the main text from Adrian Clutterbuck, folks.

'Hi Kim,
Great to see you at the weekend. As promised please find below an official RNLI statement re RNLI Model Boat Plans:-
"Lifeboat Plans.
Lifeboat Plans for modellers were available through the RNLI Online Retail Sales at Poole H.Q. The RNLI have ceased the online sales early in 2017. The RNLI HQ have stated plans will be available when they restart
their online Retail Sales in 2018. No date is given or available. Please note the LBES does not hold any lifeboat plans. The LBES also does not have any access to plans held at RNLI Poole Retail Sales."
Best regards,
Adrian
National Model Advisor for the RNLI/Lifeboat Enthusiasts' Society [LBES]'


And there we have it. That is going to continue to put a 'damper' on many a New Year Project, as well as delay further those already being patient from this year!
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Neil on November 17, 2017, 11:46:10 AM

ohhh, poor Mick, who's just bought his two Shannon's to go to Canada.............what ARE  the RNLI  thinking of................they know there's a big market these days for their plans..................another decision from on high that's not been thought about perhaps.


and lets face it, in comparison, lifeboat modellers do bring in money to RNLI funds with their support and shows they attend and collect at.......it's a shabby way to treat supporters. Do they have an intelligent explanation for this lunacy.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on November 17, 2017, 02:42:53 PM
Poor Mick in Canada can rest easy as I have drawn up plans for the Shannon for use with my kit. I drew them up ages ago. They are GA's not  plans like the RNLI's with all the sections and stuff, just to show where all the parts go.
I see Models by Design has produced a resin cast insert for the bridge..................the best form of flattery so they say. Now my full kit is out I wonder whats next? Windows?





Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Neil on November 17, 2017, 03:13:43 PM

marvellous news Adrian.


I will let him know straight away. sadly he emailed me at 05.25 this morning to say he has had another fall. he falls regularly, and isn't well.


Could I just ask those guys on here who know and have chatted with Mick, aka IRISHCARGUY, say a few prayers for him for a solid return to good health..........he is one of the nicest and most sincere guys I have ever met.............god knows why he chose me as a friend..


but good luck and best wishes to you Mick if you read this.
hopefully we'll have your kits to you very soon.


neil.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 17, 2017, 04:18:17 PM
Neil - I have just sent a package off to Mick and a Christmas card, so hope that might cheer him a little. Regarding the 'plans', I think it was an out-sourcing type of thing, and as with most Companies and Councils, it usually pays to keep things 'in house' in the end, for both service and quality.
Adrian - regarding the upper steering position resin cast unit, that was made two years ago by Andy, but in glass fibre. When I produced mine [which true to form was months longer than Andy thought he would get it from me] he decided to use that instead. As for the windows, remember he has had the frames made from the resin with the acetate window insert since his model came out some eighteen months or so ago - you should know as you have photographed them, I believe.
Well, off to give my illustrated talk tonight on the 'Launch and Recovery of the Dungeness Shannon Class lifeboat' to a Gardening Club down in Kent. They said it would make a change from pruning, manure and vegetables ............although there just might be a little bull s..t!!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Neil on November 17, 2017, 07:12:29 PM

thanks kim,


yes he mentioned to me a few days ago that he had ordered something from you...........that'll cheer him up a little and bring warmth to his heart........doubt it'll bring warmth anywhere else though as the other day it was thick snow and -30c out where he lives.........gawd, I couldn't exist in those temps, lol.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 23, 2017, 10:21:52 AM
Before going off to the IMBS I did do a little work on the two main whip aerials to try and get them completed  - I partially succeeded and, therefore, partially failed! The aerials were OK, it was the two wheelhouse roof supports that were the problem. Here the white plastic extrusion being used would not glue properly. One broke up in the workshop before I left, the other broke whilst setting up at the Show. I had to 'jury rig' the Port side one to 'show it off'. I will proceed to try some methods suggested by Jerome of SHG Models when I have finished my 'year end accounts' for the accountant [who is pressing me!!] and get back to the workshop to continue with my models. However, I have decided to use the pieces as templates and make them in brass, as I want them to have a working mechanism and this will stand up to the continual handling better. In the meantime the last of the photos taken a couple of weeks ago.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 13, 2017, 04:33:33 PM
After a few weeks away from MBM Forum I am now sitting in my workshop with a large '14-02' mug [courtesy of 17-09] of Kenyan Broken Orange Pekoe leaf tea at my right hand, knowing that my Company's A/Cs are now complete and with my accountant [hopefully a tax rebate will be on its way in the New Year!], some family duties have been performed [ongoing] and rehearsals for two Concerts in the next few weeks are progressing well. That means I will be back into some modelling!
Whilst at 'Warwick' many folk came up and were impressed with the 'rubber' [soft cast resin] fenders around the deck edge. This was the reason I attached them with Gorilla waterproof tape. It was a temporary measure, but I also wanted to 'test' their claim that they would grip anything! Well, the first thing that must be borne in mind is that the thickness of the tape is around 1.5mm. This therefore 'steps' the fender off the edge of the deck, so would not be a perfect solution for the final fix to the deck and hull edge. Also, I found that even with lightly roughening the surfaces [800 wet & dry] and then wiping with nail varnish remover [acetone] some of the fenders came away after  few hours or couple of days. You can see this in a couple of the sections. I also treated the inside surfaces of the fender the same as the deck and hull sides. However, it allowed me to cut and trim the lengths to size and see how they fitted - I was well impressed! It also allowed me to see where the individual 'spacers' will go [as on the real vessels] - these being fixed to the hull sides at 90 degrees and then filled in with black silicone. That will be at a much later stage. I hope this helps with anyone considering a way forward with their fenders. I shall probably be fixing these with another glue that is on its very way to me at this moment - something I saw for the very first time last Saturday whilst at my Faversham Military Modelling Group!
Finally, I took my 1/35th scale model [just started and in build - but not grey!] of the Scimitar tank to this group and all they wanted to look at was the various tools I had in my [plastic kit only] tool box! Many notes were made and I think Santa's list is now even bigger! You can see one set of new blades I have here, but I have not put them to the test yet.
More will follow over the next few weeks, depending on the mood I'm in. It could be the aerial brackets in brass for the top of the wheelhouse, or the pulpit railings, some more wheelhouse door detail, maybe a stanchion or even the two bollards [bow and stern] and their floor plates in aluminium - that's the choice at this stage when semi-scratch building! It's good to be back.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Stavros on December 13, 2017, 05:41:46 PM
May I suggest that you use Black TIGER SEAL  and nit silicon with the fenders........it can be overpainted at ant time where still on cant...furthermore i use Tigerseal to attach side moulding trims to cars and also rear spoilers......yes it is mucky to use.....wear plastic gloves.....any excess can be easily removed with panel wipe......it does what it says.....it will stick to anything.....I also use it to hold grp wheel arches to rally  cars and never had one come off.


Dave
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: McGherkin on December 13, 2017, 06:45:32 PM
I also use it to hold grp wheel arches to rally  cars and never had one come off.


Is there a thread for your rallying endeavours?
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: BFSMP on December 13, 2017, 07:02:43 PM
May I suggest that you use Black TIGER SEAL  and nil silicon with the fenders........it can be overpainted at ant time where still on cant...furthermore i use Tigerseal to attatch side moulding trims to cars and also rear spoilers......yes it is mucky to use.....wear plastic gloves.....any excess can be easily removed with panel wipe......it does what it says.....it will stick to anything.....I also use it to hold grp wheel arches to rally  cars and never had one come off.
Dave


that sounds an interesting adhesive Dave. where do you buy it from and can you buy it in mall amounts.


thank you,


Jim.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: BFSMP on December 13, 2017, 07:22:55 PM

After a few weeks away from MBM Forum I am now sitting in my workshop with a large '14-02' mug [courtesy of 17-09] of Kenyan Broken Orange Pekoe leaf tea at my right hand, knowing that my Company's A/Cs are now complete and with my accountant [hopefully a tax rebate will be on its way in the New Year!], some family duties have been performed [ongoing] and rehearsals for two Concerts in the next few weeks are progressing well. That means I will be back into some modelling!
Whilst at 'Warwick' many folk came up and were impressed with the 'rubber' [soft cast resin] fenders around the deck edge. This was the reason I attached them with Gorilla waterproof tape. It was a temporary measure, but I also wanted to 'test' their claim that they would grip anything! Well, the first thing that must be borne in mind is that the thickness of the tape is around 1.5mm. This therefore 'steps' the fender off the edge of the deck, so would not be a perfect solution for the final fix to the deck and hull edge. Also, I found that even with lightly roughening the surfaces [800 wet & dry] and then wiping with nail varnish remover [acetone] some of the fenders came away after  few hours or couple of days. You can see this in a couple of the sections. I also treated the inside surfaces of the fender the same as the deck and hull sides. However, it allowed me to cut and trim the lengths to size and see how they fitted - I was well impressed! It also allowed me to see where the individual 'spacers' will go [as on the real vessels] - these being fixed to the hull sides at 90 degrees and then filled in with black silicone. That will be at a much later stage. I hope this helps with anyone considering a way forward with their fenders. I shall probably be fixing these with another glue that is on its very way to me at this moment - something I saw for the very first time last Saturday whilst at my Faversham Military Modelling Group!
Finally, I took my 1/35th scale model [just started and in build - but not grey!] of the Scimitar tank to this group and all they wanted to look at was the various tools I had in my [plastic kit only] tool box! Many notes were made and I think Santa's list is now even bigger! You can see one set of new blades I have here, but I have not put them to the test yet.
More will follow over the next few weeks, depending on the mood I'm in. It could be the aerial brackets in brass for the top of the wheelhouse, or the pulpit railings, some more wheelhouse door detail, maybe a stanchion or even the two bollards [bow and stern] and their floor plates in aluminium - that's the choice at this stage when semi-scratch building! It's good to be back.
C.C.


Those Swann Morton blades look a very versatile little tool CC, do they come with the handle as well.


What are they recommended to cut, material wise.


Jim.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on December 13, 2017, 08:45:46 PM
Jim....the profile on the blunt end of the serrated Swann Morton blades appear to be universal handle fitment or the same for all of their other scalpel blades....[the text on the blade set implies the same]

They do look like they would be standard fitment for say a Neurosurgeons lunch box  ...those serrations would sure hack through skull bones OK  {-)

Must admit I felt a little squeamish  :embarrassed: after looking at 5 pages of the said brand of blades on e-bay....but did not see any  of the serrated variety

Derek

 
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: BFSMP on December 13, 2017, 09:26:29 PM

my method of hacking is a Stanley knife Derek./.......... never possessed a scalpel......must have a look and wait for CC to get back on where to obtain such blades. they look interesting.


Jim.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Stavros on December 13, 2017, 10:03:58 PM

Is there a thread for your rallying endeavours?




No sorry


Dave
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Stavros on December 13, 2017, 10:06:32 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TIG-NB-NEW-Tiger-Seal-UPol-TIG-NB-310ml-Polyurethane-Adhesive-Sealent-BLACK/282579712244?hash=item41cb1038f4:m:m5NJwyHE_Qdac4pkksEbdig (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TIG-NB-NEW-Tiger-Seal-UPol-TIG-NB-310ml-Polyurethane-Adhesive-Sealent-BLACK/282579712244?hash=item41cb1038f4:m:m5NJwyHE_Qdac4pkksEbdig)[/size]

Dave



Print size enlarged at customers request     {-)     {-) 

Alright Dave

ken







Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: BFSMP on December 13, 2017, 10:59:25 PM

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TIG-NB-NEW-Tiger-Seal-UPol-TIG-NB-310ml-Polyurethane-Adhesive-Sealent-BLACK/282579712244?hash=item41cb1038f4:m:m5NJwyHE_Qdac4pkksEbdig (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TIG-NB-NEW-Tiger-Seal-UPol-TIG-NB-310ml-Polyurethane-Adhesive-Sealent-BLACK/282579712244?hash=item41cb1038f4:m:m5NJwyHE_Qdac4pkksEbdig)

Dave



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Alright Dave

ken




thank you Dave. a great help. cheers,


Jim.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 14, 2017, 02:56:51 AM
The blades come from Accurate Armour, as on the packaging label in the photo, and on their website go to 'tools' and they are there both with and without the handle. This is with the handle supplied, but as it says, they will fit a regular Swann Morton scalpel handle. Been using the latter for over 55 years!! I have a full range in my tool boxes of both handles and blades - would not be without them. Also on the photos it states on the blade fret [sprue] that they are for resin and plastic, although their website states wood too. I normally use razor saws, but these will allow you to get into areas where a small aperture or hole is required - something which could not be done with the end of a razor saw.
Well, back to watching the 3rd Test Match cricket now as Alistair Cook has just been got 'out'. Hey-ho.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on December 28, 2017, 12:31:36 AM
Never mind the test match, get on with that Shannon!

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 01, 2018, 12:35:35 AM
Firstly, may I wish each reader of this 'thread' - especially Martin and his Team - an enjoyable and rewarding 2018. I have made some really good friends in 2017, just from doing this lifeboat build - a truly national and international venture. Many thanks for all the helpful comments and PMs that are of the encouraging type - long may it all continue.
So, just about a fortnight ago I found time to get into the workshop and really felt like a go on the lathe. It was to be the forward bollard in aluminium. Having found a piece of rod I checked the RNLI plans for measurements, made myself some notes and diagrams and started. I am including more detail of each step and photos as a few have now been encouraged by this semi-scratch build and have gone out and purchased lathes and milling machines and want to get into this aspect too. If I can [and have] do it - so too can you.
This will be the same again for the stern bollard, apart from the side support fittings which are a different shape and set at different angles.Tomorrow [later today - now 0030hrs on 1st January, 2018] I hope to marke the plate/deck bolt holes, drill and tap 12BA threads to take 14BA brass hexagonal bolts [with 12BA threads - specially made for me by EKP Suppiles - 232 for 1,000].

The photos will follow in three sections.

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 01, 2018, 12:44:21 AM
Next batch [ahhh - Mrs. !7-09's cheese straws come to mind!!] of photos.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 01, 2018, 12:51:05 AM
Final batch - goodbye 2017 and hello 2018!
I hope you can see the difference in the surfaces of the last two photos.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on January 01, 2018, 01:28:23 PM
Very neatly machined, true square and strong.
 Nice    17-09
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 02, 2018, 01:47:17 AM
Got back into the workshop this afternoon [New Year's Day] and with 17-09's kind words ringing in my ears, decided to fit the bolts to the bow bollard deck plate. Warning - ignore the first two photos if 'copying' this build process! Well, 17-09's Post caption is 'Do it nice, or do it twice'. True, much like 'measure twice and cut once'. Hmmm.
I got the plate and scribed a line 2mm in from the edge. Then - for some unknown reason - I marked the ten bolt places at a 2mm spacing, this should have been 4.5mm. I only noticed this when two holes had been drilled ready for the 12BA threads to be cut - remembering that these were my specially made hexagonal bolts with 14BA heads, giving a stronger and slightly larger thread. I have used a number of these on my Trent class build, so those that you see in the photo in a 35mm film cassette case [remember those?] are worth around 180!!
So, seeing as I had made two plates [the stern one too] I decided to go and use this one and start again. The photos should speak for themselves. I have put yellow circles round the cutting fluid, prior to the hand cutting [tapping process] the threads, just to let our friend Derek [Down under] know that I had not forgotten! You will also see that the last photo shows the abortive plate and the second attempt.
Well, I know these process shots are helping some folk, as I have already had an encouragement that this is of use to at least one European friend, so I will continue - even after Brexit!!
Please ask if there is anything you would like explained.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 02, 2018, 02:03:44 AM
The final photos from New Year's Day.
I forget to mention that the first photo here shows my method of screwing the bolts in and out. The rear one is a socket [allen key] screw with the bottom half machined off on the lathe to give a a thin - but solid - edge, allowing you to get into very narrow spaces. Likewise, the one in the foreground is a cheap 'jeweller's' 14BA screwdriver with the 'spinner' end machined off and the working end machined down too, likewise, allowing close fitting in small tolerance places. Both ideas were gleaned from my late friend Ted.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on January 02, 2018, 02:19:15 AM
Compliments of the season CC :-))...........and watching on.......

"ten bolt places at a 2mm spacing"

I think the Design Engineer had a few too many Christmas tipples a few years back when he designed this  %)

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on January 02, 2018, 11:57:43 AM
Very neat machining Kim - i don't think you will find Aluminum fittings of that quality in any kit :D
How do you intend to attach the cross bar to the post?


Charlie
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Netleyned on January 02, 2018, 02:27:05 PM
Drill from the bottom up through the crossbar and insert a pin interference fit....or
Sticky Toffee Pudding :D
Jokes aside, it is good to see an engineer at his best :-))
He can sing as well %)


Ned
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 02, 2018, 03:38:07 PM
Good afternoon [here in the Northern Hemisphere!] Derek, Charlie and Ned, great to 'be with you all' again so early in the New Year.
Derek - I remembered the cutting fluid and a little note I left off was that I was using my favourite little Proxxon tool - the speed adjustable screwdriver, which doubles as a drill and also thread tapper [designed for that purpose] - it can be turned down to half a revolution per second with an adjustable torque setting too. Wonderful. I did this job by hand as it is easier, non-critical for 'perfect' 90 degree accuracy. I just need to find the 14BA washers now - they are out here in the workshop - somewhere!
Charlie - thanks for the comment, but this is the part I like best, even if I am slow. As I have said before, this is a new skill learnt some fifteen years ago [just prior to retiring] and not often used, so quite often forget how the process goes. But with my notes and the Internet and various Club members it all comes to fruition - and that's where the satisfaction comes from. Much like your marvelous hull, deck and wheelhouse fabricating skills! [I'll let you know the date of the RNLI Dungeness Open Day. Hope to get down there again in the next fortnight.]. But it's nice having the machines there [and plenty of various stock metals] ready to go when one fancies it.
Ned - thanks too for your comment, however I just wish I were [or had been] an engineer. Those of you out there that are 'proper' engineers must scream when you see what I am doing and methods used!! You might see the Moore & Wright centre punch in the previous photos, with a burred over end - it belonged to my uncle [who was an engineer working for Pump Maintenance, remember them with the grey, yellow and black Commer vans, often on garage forecourts fixing the early petrol pumps when it cost just 2/6d a gallon!!] and it was his father's before that [my grandfather - he was an engineer working on Bentleys for HR Owen in London], so maybe there is a little bit of it in 'my blood'. As for the singing, again those all around me are of a far better quality of voice and sight reading, but somehow they keep coming and sitting next to me [one friend Simon, regularly telling me how good he is - I love tapping his arm and telling him when he sings a wrong note!!], but I seem to keep passing the auditions to remain within Canterbury Choral - so much time spent on my knees offering up prayers!
Charlie, to answer your question - the cross bar has been machined so the middle 12.35mm is a 'smidge' [there we go again!] thicker and is therefore a good 'push fit'. However, when final assembly is made [after what I am attempting below] I will glue it with Gorilla glue and also fit the 1/12th scale weld lines that I purchased a few months back, using JB steel weld glue in this instance. Then it will get a spray paint job [weep, weep.......].
Well, I had better get on. I'm in the workshop working out how to fabricate and fit the three base supports around the upright and the two bow facing SeaCatch brackets. It keeps me 'on my toes' and 'passing the time of day' - a couple of idioms for my good friend Arno [Swiftdoc] to 'get his head around' out there in Germany, with his perfect English and wonderful Austrian lathe and milling machines.
'Adios' each and until we 'meet again soon',
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on January 03, 2018, 12:32:23 AM
....."You might see the Moore & Wright centre punch in the previous photos, with a burred over end"......CC...tools such as these centre punches were intentionality heat treated to provide the softer impact end so as not to shatter when hit <*<  with the ballpein hammer

So your engineering uncle well used that M&W quality centre punch, however good practice is to simply grind the mushroomed head lest a slither fly off to some unsuspecting eyeball

Did we talk of kerosene as the drilling/tapping fluid for use with aluminium? ....

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 04, 2018, 01:58:36 AM
Derek - thanks for the information - we're always learning. Seeing as I won't be using the centre punch that much and also only on smaller jobs and work, I think I will leave the 'burred' end, but will remember your good advice - makes sense.
So, while I'm waiting for the 5th and Final Test Match [Down under] to start [rain has stopped the start of play] I'll get up to date on what I did yesterday [Wednesday], for a few hours, in the workshop.
Later today I hope to mill those last two slots in the upright and while I wait for some M5 bolts to arrive [small remedial job needs doing to the cross slide on the lathe] before I make the stern bollard. Also make the rear web on the current bow bollard and also the two front plates that the Sea-Catch T11 attaches to. Then I might well start on the bow pulpit rail - and some silver soldering!
Now that's good timing - play has just started in the cricket!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: MOXCY on January 04, 2018, 05:28:45 PM
Brilliant thread to find when iam just about to start my MBD Shannon
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Stavros on January 04, 2018, 08:10:35 PM
How are you going to fix the strengthing plates to the towing post


Dave
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: MOXCY on January 04, 2018, 08:47:56 PM
Iam new on the forum and have only just joined and found this blog earlier and had a quick look at it and now ive had a proper good look at it iam blown away by your build and the detail that has gone in to the build its amazing and it will be really helpful to me when i get my MBD Shannon next week 👍
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 05, 2018, 03:33:51 PM
Dave - I've put the slots in both the upright pillar and the base to give more purchase and solidity, although the main upright pillar is held through the deck [and with a load spreading plate on the underside too] with a cap head bolt. These will all be glued together with Gorilla Original, JB Steel Weld and Araldite to give the finished product, which will also have the weld lines in the correct places.
I'm just about to mill the stern facing web and then the two Sea-Catch plates on the front surface.
Cheers,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 05, 2018, 04:05:27 PM
MOXCY, welcome to the MBM Forum and long may you continue to visit it!
Many thanks for your words of encouragement - they go along with many more, from folk like you, that make it all worthwhile. I have my own style, which most seem to like, and it's there in detail to enable you to see what things are and how they might be made or manufactured. Which tools I'm using [or in some instances not using], mistakes that have been made [so they are not done twice!], modifications that can be made [or not] and allow another perspective on thought processes. It's also there for a handful of modellers [mainly men], who have admitted that they are long past the building stage in life [having already built and sailed many boats], but enjoy reading what I am up to in life generally - a sort of morning coffee read and chat! I'm more than happy to be there for these folk too, as one day [now well into my 71st year] I will be there also!
Can I encourage you to also look at T33cno's Speedline Shannon build thread [if you have not already] as you might see things there that reflect on what you are doing with your MbD Shannon. Likewise, processes, tools, glues and paints. It's superbly documented and photographed. I'm sure there will be others [I've heard they are on FaceBook too, but I don't do that!].
Well, do ask away either openly [or via a PM] - there's never such a thing as a 'silly question' - if you knew the answer you would not be asking. We all are constantly learning and sometimes I've found that when a question is asked or answered I think 'why didn't I think of that!!
Enjoy your MbD Shannon - do feel free to post the odd photo of progress on here or even make your own build 'thread'.
Regards from the 'Lifeboat' Section,
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: MOXCY on January 05, 2018, 04:28:11 PM
Thanks for the reply Canterbury Coxswain


I will be going over your thread a few hundred times probably and iam also following T33cnos thread as they are both a very good useful and detailed threads to follow


Hopefully getting my MBD Shannon next week and I cant wait to get started
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: T33cno on January 05, 2018, 04:46:33 PM
Hi Chris only just realised you joined  :-)  Welcome and thanks Kim for the praise  :-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: MOXCY on January 05, 2018, 05:58:45 PM
Hi Chris only just realised you joined  :-)  Welcome and thanks Kim for the praise  :-)


Yes just joined on here Andy after finding my way from Facebook pages etc 👍
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Stavros on January 06, 2018, 09:36:53 PM
Thanks Kim


Dave
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 31, 2018, 04:00:36 PM
I have been missing for some three weeks due to the recurrence of the injured right thumb tendon - it will not allow me to pick up or grip items - so modelling has been put on the back burner. However, my very good friend Arno [Swiftdoc] has produced this wonderful aluminium stand for his MbD Shannon [and another for his 1/6th Speedline Models Shannon - quite a fleet!] and has given the 'OK' for me to show it here. This is the best I've seen - it's 'in proportion', solid and will do for both workshop and Show displays. That said, it is not cheap. The parts can be seen and ordered from
www.alu-profil-technik.de . I was very privileged to have been sent one as a present from Arno and this will be put together and the various parts described [including their details] over the next few days - depending how much the thumb allows!! It requires to have M5 and M6 threads cut into the ends for the solid assembly. I have just finished photographing the various parts and items, so after editing them I will Post them here. Another factor has to be taken into the final cost and that is the postage! Please do not bother Arno with this as he is a busy man, but I will answer any queries via a PM - if required. I hope you enjoy it - I will!!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: BFSMP on January 31, 2018, 09:10:03 PM

It will certainly set your beautiful build off to the extreme Kim.........they work well together.


Jim.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: T33cno on January 31, 2018, 09:11:55 PM
Heck I want one  8)  Arno !! ow much ?  :kiss:
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: BFSMP on January 31, 2018, 09:22:05 PM

Please do not bother Arno with this as he is a busy man, but I will answer any queries via a PM - if required.C.C.


T33cno


I draw you to the last part of Kims post! :((


Jim.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: T33cno on January 31, 2018, 09:25:05 PM
Tongue in cheek
I'll ask him on SBG thank you Jim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: kinmel on January 31, 2018, 09:33:13 PM
Heck I want one  8)  Arno !! ow much ?  :kiss:

When modifying my 3d printer, I used similar materials from a U.K. source....   http://www.aluminium-profile.co.uk/
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 02, 2018, 11:58:10 PM
Yesterday an engineer friend Bill, from my main club - Cygnets MBC - , came over to rectify a couple of stripped M4 threads on my lathe cross-slide. He also found that the phosphur bronze block that traverses the lead screw was not well designed, so ended up making a plate to keep all parts parallel and in line, relining the M4 threads with a repair kit [a revelation in itself!], copper greasing the threads and lead screw and giving it a complete overhaul. It now runs superbly smoothly - four hours well spent. I also got to learn many little tips and importantly how to engage the front [main bed] lead screw with the motor and machine in this fashion!! Something I had never done and was a little apprehensive about. This afternoon I went into the workshop and put the whole experience to the test - the first photo is the end result and the start of the stern bollard. It cost me, but money and time well spent!!
Also this afternoon I continued to 'use my damaged thumb' and gently cut eight M6 threads into the ends of some of the aluminium extrusion pieces to my new [courtesy of Arno] Shannon display stand. I will load the photos here now, showing the point I have got to. Tomorrow I hope to finish the main assembly [but not the angled support tops] and add on this thread the parts and their sizes so that folk can either visit the website I have put here [above] or that which Alan [Kinmel] has directed us to also. Most of the photos speak for themselves. It has been really good fun and an enjoyable half hour spent on the project! Lathe and stand has made an old man very happy. Tomorrow will be like 'heaven', more stand, then two Six Nations Rugby matches, followed by a superb curry in the evening! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......................
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 03, 2018, 12:07:36 AM
The final set of photos from today.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: BFSMP on February 03, 2018, 12:24:55 AM


Kim, could you please do us woodworkers/cabinet makers a favour, when you have finished this, could you please  put the measurements of the cradle on to the site plus the template of the cradle supports for the hull.
 
I am sure that this would look lovely made as a stand in the same dimensions but in polished Honduras Mahogany, which from my old woodworking days have some hanging around.

I would like to make a cradle for someone I know, using dovetails and  secret mitre joints for it, in the old fashioned way as a project...........something that I am good at, lol.


Thank you,


Jim.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Big Ada on February 03, 2018, 06:05:57 PM

Kim, could you please do us woodworkers/cabinet makers a favour, when you have finished this, could you please  put the measurements of the cradle on to the site plus the template of the cradle supports for the hull.
 
I am sure that this would look lovely made as a stand in the same dimensions but in polished Honduras Mahogany, which from my old woodworking days have some hanging around.

I would like to make a cradle for someone I know, using dovetails and  secret mitre joints for it, in the old fashioned way as a project...........something that I am good at, lol.


Thank you,


Jim.

Now this I would like to see made.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 04, 2018, 11:58:42 AM
'Jim',
I will certainly be doing what you request, however, you will have to take into account that the angled support arms will be left 'free' on my stand, so that they can 'take-up' any small difference in angle when the hull is placed on them - much like my current stand free standing stand. I'm also considering doing a couple of very small things slightly different to Arno's superb version.

Now it's confession time!! Arno has pointed out that I have got the large central bar, in last few photos, in the wrong place. This is for the angled arms to be made from. There should be another short bar across the middle, much the same as the ends. I have now rectified this and am adding the other two angle brace pieces to the opposite side. Photos should follow later this evening or tomorrow. The wrist did not like me using it yesterday, so is quite painful at the moment, but I am about to venture into the workshop, prior to Sunday lunch, to attempt a little more before I go insane! Then there is the Six Nations match between Italy and England to hopefully enjoy.

I have also just received in the post some more 'mock' screw heads and working hinges in photo etch, so will photograph those and Post them later too.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 04, 2018, 12:01:28 PM
It's good to see that Mick [IrishCarGuy] is up and about again, but not yet fully fit - let's hope that that is soon though.
Mick, did you ever get either of those two Shannon DVDs I sent?
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: BFSMP on February 04, 2018, 12:59:08 PM

thank you Kim. I look forward to building one in timber.


cheers,


Jim.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: MOXCY on February 04, 2018, 01:51:53 PM
The stand looks amazing and will make a great finishing touch for a Shannon





Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on February 04, 2018, 08:51:34 PM
CC...I saw this as an IKEA type concept ...futuristic, with an industrial flavour however able to be built on a domestic assembly line [kitchen table] :o so was a little taken back seeing the set of M6 HSS Taps.....

With every conceivable building element pre-tapped .......end plates, angle pieces, internal jamb nuts & the like...are the taps only for  >>:-( emergency or contingency use?

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: JimG on February 05, 2018, 12:42:09 PM
The taps will be to thread the holes in the ends of the aluminium extrusions. This is needed for the corner blocks which are fitted at the outer corners. All of the other fittings which fit in the slots are pre threaded. It is possible to buy self tapping screws to go into the ends of the extrusions and some corner blocks come with these self tappers.
Jim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 05, 2018, 03:17:44 PM
Hi Derek,
Yes, the threads need to be made in the ends as the aluminium extrusion lengths. These were pre-cut to the lengths supplied by Arno [Swiftdoc] for me, hence the M6 taps in the picture. However, the little bevelled edge 'slides' supplied here and used on the four corner 'angle units' have M5 bolts. I used the M6 tap to enlarge each of these on four 'slides' and used these to fit the four self-levelling feet. These are shown here at their full length. My next job, when I finish this, is to cut these down to their lowest length and re-fit.

Now, here's a little tale that some will be able to equate with! On fitting some of these items I needed some Allen keys, so went to the little box on the wall marked as such and hey-ho, none to fit one of the fittings. So went to my rack where there was a handled set and again this size was not covered. Later that afternoon as I was looking at some drill boxes by the side of the milling machine there was a nice blue box and the 'penny dropped'. I had treated myself to a complete set of both Imperial and Metric Allen keys some while ago and had forgotten!!

This whole unit is so solid and firm - without diametrical flex. It will make a superb stand for the workshop, for transporting in the 'old' Volvo V70 to Shows and on the display stands at those Shows - clever 'old' Arno. You can see I have now got to the stage where I will need to make the three keel 'rests down the middle and then measure and cut the four angled supports - two on each side. That might take a couple of days or so, as time is at a premium at the moment with music practice at the fore-font and me learning the German pronunciation of all words - if only Arno lived just around the corner!

The measurements so far are:
Overall footprint = 476mm x 321mm
Extruded square lengths = 20mm x 20mm [two lengths at 435mm length and three at 280mm length]
All of the threads / bolts are of M6 diameter, except for the four mentioned above for the feet 'sliders' which I enlarged from M5 to M6

Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 05, 2018, 03:32:34 PM
One of the inputs I put on this 'thread' are the various products I come across that might [or might not!] be of use on my lifeboats models [or other static models I build]. These below are the latest I've found from Aber - mine were purchased from Historex Agents of Dover. I have just put them in my 'Really Useful Box' containing all the others - many being of the working types in stainless steel and down to 0.80mm - with a quick bit of mental arithmetic they add up to in excess of 400! Well, as my wife would say, 'it's money in the bank'!!
Just in case the product numbers cannot be read, here they are:
Hinges = 35 A39
Screw heads with flat bade head = 35 A101
Screw heads with cross head = 35 A108

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on February 05, 2018, 03:42:59 PM
They will be handy  :-))  thanks
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on February 05, 2018, 08:35:34 PM
Hi Kim,


your stand is coming along nicely. As for the feet, I cut them so that they only reached the centre hole of the profile and did not use the nuts that were provided. I wanted to sit mine as low as possible. Glad you found your allen keys. I had not thought about the imperial standard that you are used to %%


Thanks for showing us the Aber hinges. I was just looking for something like that for my doors of my Bigliani class build!


Enjoy the German  pronounciation in your rehearsals ok2


Cheers


Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on February 05, 2018, 09:11:30 PM
Ahah...... I see it now Kim........

Suppose it still qualifies as an  IKEA type concept ...futuristic, with an industrial flavour however able to be built on a domestic assembly line [kitchen table]

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: kinmel on February 05, 2018, 09:23:01 PM
Aluminium profile is a huge step forward, BUT you must buy it pre-cut to length. It is utterly reliant upon the accuracy of the crosscut.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 05, 2018, 11:06:29 PM
Alan,
That's where a milling machine comes into its own. That's what I will do for the four adjustable legs, but there's going to be some fun there on the front longer legs and their end 'platform'!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 05, 2018, 11:20:29 PM
Thanks Arno for the input. Like you, I too wanted the feet as low as possible - here is the result. I have really enjoyed putting this together over the past few days - many thanks.
The old style stand can just be seen in the photos and got many compliments at Shows - the new one will get so many more, I think.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on February 06, 2018, 08:27:59 AM
Hi Kim
Nice to see you back on the Shannon build I like the stand it looks like
Rexroth section range which is a very versatile system and can be bought from RS components in the UK.

Regards

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 06, 2018, 10:50:50 AM
Hi Derek,
Good to hear from you. Thanks for the extra supplier, I shall have a look as I started a small order yesterday with a firm in Leicester and at the end they added on a basic standard delivery charge of 19.95 - doubling the cost of the overall order! Yes, you are right, it is the Bosch Rexroth system.
I haven't forgotten the 'Wetlands' date on 14th July when I shall have a lifeboat display and do RNLI Water Safety talks. We'll see each other before then - Dortmund?
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 08, 2018, 11:35:08 AM
Derek - ordered some bits from RS-online from my original order, mentioned above, on Tuesday afternoon, especially some small 'sliders' with an M4 thread. These were to facilitate the making of fixed - but adjustable - screw fittings to position the keel.

So, with the thumb allowing a little movement and slightly less pain I ventured into the workshop and :
Having done this I needed those ordered sliders - I had lunch instead. When I went into the workshop the front door bell rang and there was Parcel Force with my 'post free' delivery of one small packet of 'sliders' - costing 6!! Now there's service and a decent 'no postage' system from RS-online. I have since used them again for more parts and a de-burring tool.
I put the first support into place [and fitted the other slider into the groove too, otherwise it would mean undoing the system again!] and it worked well. I then finished the other and adjusted that too. All done and well pleased. I shall at a later date machine off the inside edge of each support  to  accommodate the keel. I shall also be adding a liner of neoprene to the top and inside edges.
I shall be going into the workshop again this afternoon to progress the stern supports and then [when time permits] the mid-frame keel supports too.
This is an fun and enjoyable bit of work using both the mended milling machine from last year and the lathe, more recently returned to its working self.
C.C.

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 09, 2018, 12:28:01 AM
Yesterday was another visit into the workshop to use the same method as the previous Post and get the stern and mid-frame keel supports made. Great fun and enjoyment was had and all went well and no instruments were broken! So good when you get a day like that.
Here are the results and I hope Alan [Kinmel] likes the finish on the ends of the 'cut' supports - but they still need finishing off fully, when I get my miniature [and larger] de-burrers.
Once the inner top edges are profiled to take the keel 'snugly' I will start on the side angled support bar uprights. I have taken this approach to make my stand slightly different and also closer to those used on the real boats. As soon as this is done I hope [right thumb allowing] to get back to work on the actual boat.

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 12, 2018, 12:51:50 AM
Yesterday afternoon I got back into the workshop and started to profile the inside top edges [using the milling machine] of the bow and stern central clamped keel support pieces. The first three photos show the Bow two, with the third of the photos showing it from the opposite side. The next two show the same [back and front views] for the stern ones. The final [sixth] photo shows the underside with the bow ones in place and supporting and the mid-position arrowed [nothing in place] and the stern one arrowed, but with a 'depth of field shot' it appears 'out of focus' - however, it can be seen. I have started the mid-position ones, but did not photograph them.
Some of the edges in these photos show a 'jagged' edge on the open machined surfaces, these will be tidied up when my new [first] de-burring tool miniature blades arrive in the next few days.
Later today I shall:
Canterbury Coxswain

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 13, 2018, 12:07:46 AM
Here are the photos from today's venture into the workshop. They cover the top three bullet points above in my previous Post. I hope to start the fourth bullet point work later today.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on February 13, 2018, 10:52:19 AM
Nice bit of engineering looks very professional  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: SteamboatPhil on February 13, 2018, 08:26:03 PM
Nice one Kim  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 14, 2018, 11:16:06 AM
Colin and Phil,
A Happy New Year to each of you and yours! Colin, so good to hear from you again, recently, as you were one of the early 'encouragers' of me to continue this Shannon build thread and Phil, I missed you this year at the London MES as I was singing in a Choral Concert that weekend - you will be pleased to know though, Phil, that I am making sure Andy has got the keel absolutely right so that the Shannon travels in a straight line!

A few have asked after the de-burring tool, especially my good friend Arno [SwiftDoc]. Not from China or India, nor the USA, not even a fine example from Germany! No this, out of hundreds of tools in the workshop is my first from Israel!! It is a NOGA RB1000 Rapid Burr and comes with the one blade shown. I then ordered some more of these blades S10 - BS1010 [only came in packs of 10] and also some with a much smaller end to the blade BK3010 [also only in packs of 10]. Why I have not bought one of these long ago I cannot imagine - so easy to 'take the edge off' brass, ali, styrene and Perpex! Saves using a file and leaves a nice, very small angled edge - perfect. Thanks to Bill my engineer friend for suggesting this and Arno I will be sending an email regarding this tool. The blades can be changed in an instant using the spring loaded 'chuck' and they revolve around the edge being worked on [superb when working on the inside of a tube or other continuous hole] due to the free nature of the retaining chuck mechanism.

Well, into the workshop to start on those four angled supporting stand legs.

Kim [C.C.]



Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: SteamboatPhil on February 14, 2018, 11:29:57 AM
 {-) {-) {-) {-) ......STRAIGHT to the point


Love the de-burring tool looks like a must have  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: McGherkin on February 14, 2018, 02:32:49 PM
I think the first thing I had to make during my apprenticeship was one of those.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Netleyned on February 14, 2018, 02:55:12 PM
My first at HMS Fisgard Apprentice Training Establishment was a 1x1x2 inch block
from a rod of cast iron.
Chisel it roughly square then File <*<
Cast filings are worse than coal dust.
Finished job was measured by the instructor
with a micrometer and marks deducted for
tolerance outside 11/2 thou in any plane >>:-(


Ned
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on February 14, 2018, 10:33:13 PM
haha...I can just see the listing of the Estate of the late CC  %)

Nine [9] only BK3010 [First Quality Israeli manufactured] Tool Steel de-Burers.......never used, beautifully presented complete in plastic case

Sorry Kim.....I hope you can see the funny side of this {-), if not please do the report it to a higher order being Thee or Thou......or if all else fails a Moderator

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Starspider on February 14, 2018, 10:46:29 PM
My first at HMS Fisgard Apprentice Training Establishment was a 1x1x2 inch block
from a rod of cast iron.

Ned


My first job when they let us loose in the workshops was a stepped shaft with collars in different materials which had to be a nice sliding fit using rule and outside calipers  :-))


Peace Colin
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 14, 2018, 11:16:19 PM
Phil, McG, Ned, Derek and Colin,
Many thanks for the comments and insights into your 'early days'. Derek, absolutely fine - really made me chuckle and I think there will be several thousand other 'lots' much the same!! Some folk are going to have a field day - just sorry I won't be there to see it! Arno will have to travel across with a Mercedes van and take his pick! As they say 'stick your head above the parapet and expect to get shot at'. True - and I owe Phil [SteamBoatPhil] a beer when we next meet, as I keep promising him I will not mention the word 'straight' again - bye the way, how is Steph?
All the best to each of the 'quintet' and thanks for your continued interest. Keeps me going.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 15, 2018, 01:36:58 AM
Today got to spend a couple of hours in the workshop, but before I list what got done I must share a little tip that I now know of [but I'm sure many of you will already know], courtesy of Bill my engineer friend. He brought me over a can of Brake and Clutch cleaning fluid spray. Now I use this to clean off items and tools [including taps and dies] when I have used cutting fluid, likewise end mills and the milling machine vice area. It also cleaned the extruded 'ali' sections when cut today - the cutting fluid and small amounts of swarf soon came off! Next visit to Halfords will see me getting a spare can for back-up.
So, today I was able to:
This was a good afternoon's work. Later today, in the afternoon, I aim to go back and make the two bow [front] support arms in a similar manner. You will notice there is one photo showing some of the tools used, including the new de-burring tool - fitted with the small ended blades - to clean the internal holes of the extrusion milled ends. It did the job perfectly!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on February 15, 2018, 02:46:08 AM
Brake and Clutch cleaning fluid spray. Now I use this to clean off items and tools [including taps and dies]  <*<

Kim...if this hydrocarbon propellant fluid is related to Tricoethylene 1.1.1. .......you will certainly clean off any residue of cutting fluids, and leave the cutting tool [eg., HSS tap] absolutely clean of any surface contaminate :-))

However these are specifically designed aerosol sprays which do not provide any surface protection against moisture from the atmosphere

[yes....rust will precipitate overnight >>:-(]

An aerosol can of RP7 or WD40, will provide a similar cleaning function, however will also provide a full surface protection against corrosion

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Big Ada on February 15, 2018, 06:41:04 PM
Hi Kim,
Are you concerned about the weight of the Lifeboat bearing on the 4 support legs of the Stand and leaving dents in the Hull.

Len. 
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: captain bligh on February 15, 2018, 10:24:18 PM
Looks supported by the keel in three points so outside legs are to just hold it upright  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 16, 2018, 10:16:42 AM
Len and 'Captain Bligh',
The original stand had 'pads' that were only one third of the surface area of each on this stand and there was no problem, damage or impact marks - two large lifeboats have stood on and travelled many times over a number of years, but thanks for the thought, as it might have been a very valid point and learnt early on. Captain Bligh is totally right - the keel and lower hull surface sits and is supported in three positions and then the support legs support in the four positions easily seen are on 20mm x 20mm 'pads' of neoprene [soft and spongie] that can still be upgraded to three more thicknesses that I have here in the workshop. Over the next few days I shall 'fine tune' each of these seven areas and 'lock off' for a permanent stand for this Shannon Class hull. Three cheers to Andy [Models by Design] for getting such an accurate hull shape [mirror image] in the first place and then to Arno for thinking of such a wonderful system to form a modern, solid and proportional stand for this 1/12th scale Shannon lifeboat.
Talking of Andy - here is a little fettish confession I have had over the build of this stand. Every time I move the Shannon I just have to touch the fender edging running around the top edge of the deck and hull. It is so tactile with its 'spongie give' - I call it rubber, but I know it's 'soft set resin'. I felt bad at the time of the concept as I almost 'bullied' Andy into the idea - now I am well pleased and keep looking at and touching it!! Don't tell the wife!!!
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 18, 2018, 01:34:32 AM
Two days ago I finished my Bosch Rexboth stand by completing the two forward support legs - same method as the rear ones:
This now gives a 480mm x 320mm stand base with bow leg extrusion extensions cut to 70mm [add another 40mm for the hinge where this stand is being copied in another material / components] and stern leg extrusion extensions cut to 40mm [again, add 40mm for the hinge where this stand is being copied in another material / components]. Note - this will vary should you place the boat further forward [or backwards], also, I have not angled the front support top pads to exactly match the contact area on the hull. I might do this later, however, at the moment the thickness of Neoprene is 'taking this up' [moulding itself via the contact pressure].
I am VERY pleased with the finished product. It is extremely stable and holds the boat securely in place, with absolutely no movement in any direction. I have already carried the stand with the boat on it from the photo location in the lounge, through the kitchen and corridor into the workshop [part of the house]. Having placed it onto the 'bridge' worktop area it can easily be turned through 360 degrees to look at or work on the model. My grateful thanks to Arno [Swiftdoc] for bringing this product and design to my attention and for his very kind 'sponsorship' of this build.
Next week I hope to get back to working and finishing the two bollards, now my lathe has been repaired. You will see that the last photo is of the Shannon back where it belongs and awaiting more scratch building. Also in the photo is the Ramsgate lifeboat [Trent Class] and the Margate lifeboat [Mersey Class] - so much to do.................
Kim [C.C.]

N.B. - the 'rubber' deck edge fender is 'stepped off' the deck and edge by some 2mm in these photos as the sections are temporarily fitted with Gorilla double sided tape. This will not be the case in the finished model, where it will be flush fitted.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 18, 2018, 01:43:28 AM
The final two photos and now back to watching the Winter Olympics live from South Korea for a few hours!!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 18, 2018, 12:01:07 PM
Derek [Down Under],
Thanks for the input at Reply #597. My can says 'more than 30% Aliphatic Hydrocarbons'. I do sometimes use WD40 but sometimes one does not require to have oil or grease on the items being processed - like brakes and clutches - but these do not rust, when used, on my car - but it is a Volvo V70 T5 Turbo! Seriously, I have put it on some taps and test pieces of metal and so far none have got rust on them. However, that might be because I have put a notice on each door into the workshop 'Rust not allowed in this workshop' and then got my wife to sign each -  only a fool would disobey this!!!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: McGherkin on February 18, 2018, 01:18:26 PM
T5s are the best cars!  :-))


Great work on the stand - looks very modern, for a modern boat!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 19, 2018, 12:14:52 PM
McG,
You're right - T5s are the best!! This is my fifth Volvo and my third estate [V = Versatile]. I have only seen six T5s on the road during the past five years. She's a wonderful workhorse with 205bhp, 0-62 in 6.9 seconds and a top speed of 155mph - using the Tiptronic semi-auto gearbox [as in Porsches, I'm told]. It's the same as the traffic police use, but they don't get leather and the wood finish. Got this five years ago with just 24,000 miles on the clock having been a CEO at Volvo's personal car and then an elderly couple - who did not know what they had when I gave it a test drive!
She gets me to Shows in comfort and a 'steady' speed. [I've cut out the 'reg' and VIN - you never know who is looking!!].
Thanks for comments, much appreciated.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on February 19, 2018, 12:49:59 PM
A wolf in sheep's clothing O0 I still remember when you showed us what happens at full throttle last year - I had underestimated the acceleration!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: McGherkin on February 19, 2018, 12:52:08 PM
Lovely spec and condition there. A lot of people don’t like cream leather in cars but to me it reminds me of luxury yachts etc.



I have the C30 T5 with ~320ish bhp and 400ish lbft now. They are perfect all rounders, they drive so cofortably most of the time, really nice interiors and features, but when you want to get going, they don’t disappoint! Lovely sounding engine with lots of midrange torque.

They don’t attract any unwanted attention either, which is almost unheard of in performance cars.

We need a Mayhem car thread!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 19, 2018, 10:39:36 PM
McG, it's been good to share this, not many people know about the T5s, but a few websites give the main differences [visually small] that make you aware. You mention MBM Forum - this is where I 'met' Arno last year through this 'thread' and since then we have become very good friends and have met each other a number of times when he and his family visited England in 2017. In April I hope to meet them again in Germany and also here again during the Summer. We have found that we also share other interests [Formula 1 racing and performance cars] as well as foods and drinks - it's like we are twins at times! This site, run by Martin and his team really is such a valuable resource and 'meeting point' in so many ways. Another T5 owner met me at the RNLI Dungeness Open Day and stated how much he liked my vehicle and said he had seen it at the St. Albans MES Show last year too - small world. So yes, we might need to have a Lifeboat Enthusiasts' T5 Society!
Today I have been back into the workshop and started making the bow and stern bollard plates again, especially as I have the lathe back and working. I messed the first and second attempts up and you know what it is - it will only annoy me until I finally remake them, so I have 'bitten the bullet' and got on with it now. Photos will follow in the next few days.
I am attaching a photo of a very cheap Chinese set of die-makers' de-burrers - they will be a useful set when a fixed and non-rotating version is required.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on February 20, 2018, 05:11:09 PM
I have to reaffirm what Kim said: last year we met Kim and 17-09 during our stay in Kent in summer for the first time. The contact would not have been possible without the MBM forum. I was fascinated by the modelling skills of my fellow UK modellers. This also was the reason for me to buy a lathe and milling machine later - something I had wished but not dared before. It really lifted me to a higher level of modelling skills: I can still hear Kim saying 'If I can do it, you can do it as well.' He gave me a lot of support and I enjoy machining very much now. Still a lot to learn though but that is what makes things interesting.

I am very thankful for all the help I was given and will always remember that it would not have occured without this amazing forum!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 20, 2018, 11:53:41 PM
If my late friend Ted could just see that not only have I progressed, since he got me involved with the lathe and milling machine, but that I have been [in part] an encouragement to a fellow 'lifeboat' modeller to also get involved with the same machines - he would be so pleased that he, a superb engineer, had two more 'disciples'!!
Well, like myself, Arno is a keen scratch builder in his model boat building, something that gives a real 'shot in the arm' when you can produce small parts for the boats. Since he recently acquired these two machines, never having done this sort of work before, Arno made a few small parts for an Italian Coastguard Bigliani vessel. Then he asked how I made the capstan. I took the one I inherited from Ted and took it apart [it is so good the parts press fit togther], photographing it [now shown here] and sending the results off to him - reminding him that instead of six sections around the base it requires to have eight. The last photo here is the end product Arno sent a couple of days ago!! Superb - what more needs to be said? This is only about the seventh item he has made. Scratch building at its satisfyingly best - there, I said if I could do it.............it's just that Arno has done it better!! Ted would be pleased.
Kim [C.C.]

PS - I have his permission to 'show it off' here.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 22, 2018, 02:08:58 PM
As they say 'follow that'!
On 19th [Monday] Reply #608 I said I was going to start making the bow bollard deck plate again, so here is where I have got to:
I hope to get back into the workshop to make the two identical SeaCatch parallel plates next, having made a cardboard template from the RNLI plans.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 23, 2018, 11:33:49 AM
A couple of hours again yesterday were fitted into the agenda, but first a 'little' story!
Needed some 1.7mm thick aluminium sheet, so pick a piece at 2.5mm and put it on the milling machine and started to reduce the thickness. It did not progress that well and a few attempts were made.................until I remembered my box [Really Useful Box] that was under the bench containing, brass, ali, stainless and copper sheet, along with various mesh and chequer-plate!!!! Opened it up and there was a small [A5 size] piece of the right thickness!*?
So, half an hour after starting I was allowed to fabricate the two SeaCatch plates that are welded to the front of the bow towing and mooring bollard.
This allowed me to may a dry fit assembly - as seen here.
I will, time permitting over the weekend:C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 25, 2018, 06:04:44 PM
A few forays into the workshop in the last 24 hours and a little further forward.
I am covering this 'little build' in detail a a few have said this is helpful in their build, but some in different materials.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on February 25, 2018, 08:01:16 PM
That bollard really looks the part :-)) :-)) :-))  It is a pity that the wonderful finish will be covered by paint later! I like the Zeus chart very much as well as it shows metric and imperial data which is a great help for me.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 26, 2018, 04:42:17 PM
Thanks Arno - you're not the first one to make that comment of 'painting' the metal parts, but then I'm quite slow at this [painting] so it will leave it this way for quite a while!
Something else you and a few other 1/12th Shannon builders might like.....................
Having seen T33cno's Post at the weekend on his Speedline Shannon build reminded me that somewhere in my large box containing my Red Bull Dakar Rally VW Toureg radio controlled model was a ratchet strap mechanism from RC4WD in the USA, someone I had bought some beautiful anodised ali wheels and adjustable axle stands from in the past - direct from America.
Here is one. On the 1/12th model this should be 20mm in length and 10mm width. If larger then it is a 1/10th scale like mine - 24.5mm by 11.5mm in width, but for the moment it has changed boxes and is now in the one labelled 'Shannon'. Of course if you are building 13-16 [from Amble] you will not need one as she lies afloat and does not need to be recovered by the method shown here at Dungeness. It is used to stow the recovery strop to the deck. The good news is this little 'oversized' item can be got from www.modelsport.co.uk (http://www.modelsport.co.uk) as item Z-S1009 RC4WD Ratchet tie down assembly [workable] and already made-up! Not cheap at 21.84, but another item sourced! And from these folk you will not have to pay import duty!!
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: ray123 on February 26, 2018, 05:15:38 PM
i like the look of them :-))  here is the video from you tube featuring the tie down! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC-0XtsxTGU&t=38s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC-0XtsxTGU&t=38s)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 28, 2018, 12:41:26 PM
Spent a short while, yesterday, on some remedial work. In an email Arno [SwiftDoc] had asked why the slots on the side of the upright bollard post had an 'extended' slot - it was due to the fact that I had put the large webs at the side and when fitting the short web to the rear realised my mistake. I therefore made another short web and fitted these, then milled the rear slot and fitted that - leaving the 'extended' slots showing. So I cut two small 'fillets of ali and glued them in place, then put it back in the lathe [with one band of masking tape around the circumference to protect the surface] and machined '4 thou' off the bottom, reversed it and took '4 thou' off the top - finito! I then 'dry fitted' the unit back together.
Two points:
Next will be the small profilee fashioned onto the angled edge of each web and then glue the unit together, after which a 'little tweak' will be made to the finish - more of that later [if it works].
Much fun and enjoyment has been had making this - off and on - over a few weeks now!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 28, 2018, 12:54:59 PM
I have received this photo from Arno, showing he has now made his 1/12th scale capstan [windlass or winch] for the Models by Design model and an upgrade [now he is enjoying his new skills on the lathe and milling machine] for his 1/16th scale Speedline Models version. Very impressive, with a neat finish to both. You are putting those Austrian machines to good use Arno!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 28, 2018, 01:24:46 PM
I have just come across a photo I looked for [amongst some 1,700] when completing Reply #615 above. It shows the ratchet strap lying in its 'stowed' position, where it rests at all times when ashore and at sea - holding the recovery strop in place, juxtapose to the central SeaCatch Dynex 'Y' bridle [bow retainer] that holds the Shannon class lifeboat in position on its carriage with 6 tons of pressure [it has a breaking strain of 32 tons]. The recovery strop is released only when the boat comes to rest on return from an outing, then using the boat hook, it is attached to the launch and recovery tractor winch wire and the Shannon is pulled back into position on the carriage - as shown in my photos above. However, it is only on those boats that are launched from a tractor pulled carriage. As previously mentioned those, such as the one at Amble [13-16] have a 'less cluttered' fore-deck without one as they 'lie afloat' and do not require recovery in such a manner.
C.C.

*Second photo courtesy of 17-09, taken at Dover.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Flundle (Speedline Models) on February 28, 2018, 11:36:42 PM
Nice work Arno and you too Kim of course. But Kim, this time you have to paint it!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Tugboat adam on March 01, 2018, 04:35:54 PM
Hi Kim your life boat looks good
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: T33cno on March 01, 2018, 07:28:14 PM
Thanks Arno - you're not the first one to make that comment of 'painting' the metal parts, but then I'm quite slow at this [painting] so it will leave it this way for quite a while!
Something else you and a few other 1/12th Shannon builders might like.....................
Having seen T33cno's Post at the weekend on his Speedline Shannon build reminded me that somewhere in my large box containing my Red Bull Dakar Rally VW Toureg radio controlled model was a ratchet strap mechanism from RC4WD in the USA, someone I had bought some beautiful anodised ali wheels and adjustable axle stands from in the past - direct from America.
Here is one. On the 1/12th model this should be 20mm in length and 10mm width. If larger then it is a 1/10th scale like mine - 24.5mm by 11.5mm in width, but for the moment it has changed boxes and is now in the one labelled 'Shannon'. Of course if you are building 13-16 [from Amble] you will not need one as she lies afloat and does not need to be recovered by the method shown here at Dungeness. It is used to stow the recovery strop to the deck. The good news is this little 'oversized' item can be got from www.modelsport.co.uk (http://www.modelsport.co.uk) as item Z-S1009 RC4WD Ratchet tie down assembly [workable] and already made-up! Not cheap at 21.84, but another item sourced! And from these folk you will not have to pay import duty!!
Kim [C.C.]


Thanks for that Kim! A real working ratchet with strap  8)  no brainer  :-))  One on the way  :-)


Love your work  O0
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Mr Plastic on March 04, 2018, 11:39:09 AM
Bonjour Canterbury Coxswain,
Brilliant and informative Blog, Keep up the good work.
Best Retards
Mr Plastic ( Fantastic ).
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: me3 on March 04, 2018, 06:10:17 PM
However, it is only on those boats that are launched from a tractor pulled carriage. As previously mentioned those, such as the one at Amble [13-16] have a 'less cluttered' fore-deck without one as they 'lie afloat' and do not require recovery in such a manner.
C.C.

*Second photo courtesy of 17-09, taken at Dover.

Something just to note, I expect you have already noticed but all boats have the hydraulic pipe coming out of the deck next to the bollard regardless of if they're afloat and the arm and launch button on the dash. This is so the sea catch can be easily retro fitted if required. 
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 05, 2018, 04:09:15 AM
Thanks me3,
Yes, I realise that and it can be seen clearly in both of my photos above. The main matter being discussed at this point was the ratchet strap to the starboard side of the SeaCatch 'Y' retainer, where it is missing. But thanks for bringing the matter up, it will be of help to some folk, if it has not already been noticed or grasped.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: chipchase on March 05, 2018, 08:25:57 AM
Your making a great job of her Kim (outstanding fittings very impressive thats what i like about scratch building)  :-)) 
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 07, 2018, 11:30:13 PM
Apologies to those of you that have been following this 'thread' and maybe using it to help build your own Shannon, but I should be back now! Unfortunately, at the start of March my elderly aunt was extremely unwell and got taken very suddenly into hospital. So I went and stayed in her house in Buckinghamshire, so that I could visit her in hospital each day - sometimes for up to nine hours. This went on for some four and a half weeks. She's now slightly better and home, but with a live in carer. When I got back home there were the normal jobs to get done and also catch up on my own admin. Likewise - for all of us - the garden had sprung into life with bushes 'shooting', grass getting longer and weeds larger! During this time my computer also 'gave up the ghost' in that the picture went when the link cable to the screen from the main body snapped. That meant research, time spent looking, then buying and getting the new one up to speed - and I'm not great at IT!!!! Still that is all done now and in the meantime I prepared my self and went to the Intermodellbau in Dortmund, where I met Arno [SpeedDoc] and spent two days with him and his wonderful family, both at the Show and his home [great BBQ!!]. Now back home and about to get ready for the LBES West Midlands Lifeboat Rally this coming weekend, where I shall spend two days travelling with 17-09 and having a curry or two.
So whats's happened on the modelling front? Firstly, attached, are e few photos of the little bow bollard now glued together with two part resin JB Weld [steel] glue. Then I will catch up on a present from SwiftDoc - rust and all! Then some shots of Mr. Plastic Fantastic's Shannon [in build] down in Burgundy, France. After that a new approach to getting small parts made using a 'sledge hammer to crack a nut'  for what could be the first time used on a lifeboat model. Finally, my first approach to the use of etched brass [nickel plated] weld lines on the bow bollard - techniques and materials used. I hope that will amend a little for the time spent away elsewhere. Unfortunately, I am now some six weeks behind on the build, but hope that with a little planning and by earning some 'Brownie Points' by being back and doing little bits of late 'Spring Cleaning' I can get some more modelling in on the Shannon so that she looks more like a life-boat for the Alfold Charity Show and all the others that will rapidly follow.........and we'll all be at the 'Warwick IMBS' again in November - is it really May 7th already?!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 07, 2018, 11:37:15 PM
During February I helped Arno [SwiftDoc] in Germany obtain some small brass 14BA nuts and bolts for his bow capstan. When he went to Belgium he found an old rusty forged steel adjustable spanner and a large nut and bolt [19mm thread with AF 25mm] and said he 'thought of me', bought it and sent it to me as ' a thank you'. At first I was not sure what to do with it - so large - but let's just say, it is not around any more!! He also treated himself to one from the same shop.
C.C.  {-) %) :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 07, 2018, 11:55:30 PM
Here are a few shots sent to me and Andy [MbD] by our very good friend Chris Scott [Mr. Plastic Fantastic] ex-pat, now living down in Burgundy, France. You might remember he made the detail parts for Andy's Shannon, which was beautifully featured on a superb video by Charlie, when Charlie visited Warwick IMBS last year. Chris's version features a fully working telecomms mast. Hmmmmmmm.............that does look good. Hope these shots will give inspiration to others too. They come with Chris's blessing and permission. As they say across the 'Big Pond' - 'enjoy'!!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on May 08, 2018, 07:57:09 AM
Hi Kim
Nice parts and nice to see the thread running again.

Regards

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: gribeauval on May 08, 2018, 10:37:37 AM
Nice to have you back again Kim.  See you at Knightcote with a boat that will interest you. 8)


Mike
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Neil on May 08, 2018, 11:17:34 AM
Yes, I totally agree with Mike and Del's comments and sentiments :-)) O0
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 09, 2018, 10:58:55 AM
Derek, Mike and Neil,
Thanks for the kind comments - appreciated - I too have missed this and other 'threads'.
Del - great to see both you and Lee at Dortmund, still can't get over how we both - independently - booked the same two flights and the same rows on the plane!! If you had tried to do it, it would not have happened. Great that you met Arno [SwiftDoc] and Edo too. This is the really good side of this Forum and our hobby - long may it continue. Just wished I lived a little closer to the Siegen Region of Germany!!
Mike - now you really have got me thinking and looking forward, even more, to the LBES AGM Rally and Regatta! I hope it might start with a Class number of '13', but knowing you and David [a little] it could easily be a 1:4 scale Shannon [or of any other type in the fleet] !! I am intrigued. See you Saturday.


Here is the first part of my attempt at using photo etched [nickel plated] weld lines. I first:
Hey presto, the result. Pleased, but from start to finish this little bit took over an hour and three quarters! However, most of this was on getting the bend in the top not just to go over, but also to be a 45 degrees to fill the joint at the correct angle. It is a new technique and [hopefully] will only get quicker!! I might have another go at some more of it this afternoon. It will be at the LBES Knightcote Rally this weekend.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on May 09, 2018, 12:03:19 PM
You know CC......there is no such thing as a clean tidy "uphand" vertical fillet weld  %) is such situations ...and this representation is brilliant  :-))............ Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 09, 2018, 04:46:39 PM
Thanks Derek,
Great to know that you are still 'down there' looking up to us here in Europe.
This is another great 'spin off' from this site - learning new technical terms and techniques, an 'uphand vertical fillet' - sounds like something I might ask for at the butcher's.
Cheers,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 09, 2018, 04:53:59 PM
Just got these in folk, from Chris [Mr. Plastic Fantastic] in Burgundy, France. Here are some of his new, totally scratch built seats for the interior of his MbD 1/12th scale Shannon. I would think this will soon be painted and on the lake near his 'chateau'. No doubt he will have it at the Warwichk IMBS in November - finished - while I might have just finished both bollards and a few stanchions [and maybe the stern rails!] by then. Nice one Chris, keep the photos coming.
C.C.


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 09, 2018, 10:59:14 PM
One thing I did not mention, when putting the 'welding' on the bollard, was that once the resin glue was curing I used a small hot air gun to speed the process - but remember to put the whole 'unit' onto a surface that can take the heat!! This torch [featured below] came from the London Rubber Stamp Company and was a superb buy a few years back at 12 or so. I use it mainly for my wiring connections in the electrics, where it does what it should to 'heat shrink' tubing superbly.
I'm also including a few photos of the new set of self-locking soldering tweezers that I mentioned in my 'build' technique piece earlier today. You can see them doing their job in a dry fit, before adding the glue - a 'dry run' to make sure they will do what I wanted - the grip pressure is strong. They are made in Italy from top grade US stainless steel and sold through a company in Germany - but in this instance imported into the UK by RS Components Ltd! Get your head around that!
C.C.


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 10, 2018, 12:05:03 AM
To get right up to date I promised a new process I don't think has been used in model lifeboat [or any other types] as far as I know. As I said, it is a 'sledge hammer to crack a nut'!! Here's how it came about.
I was travelling by bus to a model show on the coast in February. Sitting on then top deck a friendly face appeared, with his friend. It was Nick who I haver known for a number of years through initially a 1/12th model of an Arun Class lifeboat. We got talking and he mentioned some bits he was having made by a company that use water-jets to cut metal. I made a note and got in touch with them when I got back from the Dortmund Show. I took my little bollard, featured here, to show them the lengths some of us will go to, to make our scratch built models. What I had in mind was the Shannon's upper steering position gate insert - all those holes - 154 on the early versions and 151 on the later versions. I produced my RNLI plans and asked whether this would be possible, remembering that the two 'beds' used by them [one shown here] cut through 6" steel and granite!! The answer was 'YES'. So what I have shown here is the machinery, the first two prototypes and then the amended versions with the correct number of rows and with the three right angled corners now machined off.
The process is:
Each of the 150+ holes takes 1.5 seconds to complete, by first 'punching' a small hole that is then cut to the exact size, with two extremely fast circulations. Each of the gate inserts takes about five minutes.
So I have ordered 8 of each version in brass and for myself too, one in stainless steel and one in aluminium. I have already received interest and orders for 5 of them. How much? Not cheap, but accurate and a little work of art in their own right that can be a talking point when exhibiting your model. Remember, I have had to pay for:
Oh yes - 15 each plus 1 p&p in the UK - elsewhere the unit cost plus postage at cost to the address of the recipient. The engraving shown here on the second amended prototypes was for me to see what it looked like for spacing. This will not be on those supplied. It did cost 5 though. However, it is not what I want, so I am still working on this in two different directions. The water-jet cutters can only do 7mm and I require 2.5mm.
The sharp eyed amongst you might notice that one of the second amendments had four holes cut at the wrong size when the machine was wrongly aligned. So I soldered these in and then re-drilled by hand to the correct size of 1.06mm. It must also be noted that I will not be finishing off each unit - this can be done by rubbing with 1200 grade 'wet & dry' paper, when received by the recipients.


Well, there we have it. The story so far. If You would like one then let me have a PM or send me an email and I'll get one to you as soon as I get the payment. You'll also have to let me know which version you require for your lifeboat. I am currently making a researched list of which Shannon had which gate - this might take some time. If you have any queries, just get in touch. However, I hope you like this little venture! I am not saying who the Company is as they requested this - saying, this was a one off Project for them and quite costly timewise, but they wanted to prove a point that it could be done! My thanks to them - Paul and Chris - as it has allowed me to get a small detailed item that would have been hard to produce to such a quality and in the right thickness of brass [to be painted anodised aluminium at a later stage].


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 10, 2018, 12:23:12 AM
The final photos in this Project to date. The last six show the second amended versions [1 & 2] that are being produced at this very moment. I will have these at the LBES AGM this weekend.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 10, 2018, 12:27:49 AM
Not sure how the photos got put on their side, they were up the right way when I attached them.
Can Martin do this, please, if being read at some stage or can anyone else suggest how this can be rectified - now they are Posted? Thanks.
Also a small point - the four holes on the Version 1 type have now been rectified, so will not be filled with solder when the new ones arrive!!
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on May 10, 2018, 03:56:38 AM
That's some nice brass work.

 8)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on May 10, 2018, 10:01:25 AM
Kim,


if you ever need any CAD work done for stuff like this,


just drop me a PM, it's what I do for a day job.


I play with lifeboats for fun, always happy to help a Lifeboat modeller out.






Scott
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on May 14, 2018, 12:38:25 AM
Hi Kim just had a look at this https://www.ilfracombelifeboat.org.uk/virtual-tour  You can go all the way around the boat . I think the rear cock pit gate is different to yours?.

Cheers John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 14, 2018, 12:46:43 AM
Firstly, Umi and Scott, thanks.
Well, Saturday was a great day at the LBES AGM and Model Lifeboat Rally at New Home Farm, Knightcote - the home water of the Knightcote MBC. They hosted a really good day, making all welcome and providing excellent parking and food. This is what makes any event enjoyable overall and they did it in abundance. Likewise the weather held, so a dry and warm day allowed a set-up and take-down scenario that could be 'enjoyed'. Once on the road home - the heavens opened and the spray caused some awkward visibilty!
The really good bit for me was to meet so many friends from this MBM Forum - Charlie, Mike [Gribeauval] and David, Jeff, Alan [17-09], Marie and Graham, Steve, Martin [Baloo], Ian, John and Rob. The photos will show some of their lifeboat models:
I hope you enjoy looking at just a few of those boats that were put on the water during the day. Do come next year, if you are a member of the LBES, and if you are not, then drop me an email or PM with your address and I will get you a membership form into the post. It is well worthwhile and the magazine alone is worth every penny of the 18 membership subscription!!
There were two excellent illustrated lifeboat talks in the Monk's Barn Conference centre during the afternoon and at the venue there is also a Model Railway Club's HQ and their layouts - open to us free of charge and also a tractor museum - what more do you want for a day out?
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 14, 2018, 01:04:01 AM
Hi John [Mk!],
Thanks for your feedback. No, this is the  Version 2 that is on the official RNLI plans and is definitely used on the Amble lifeboat [13-16]. I have Version 1 on my Dungeness model and this was on the first four built, but as I said, I am in the middle of making up a list, from those photos it is able to research from. I have had both types made and they are shown above. If anyone can show me the gate insert to the upper steering position of any of their local boats I would appreciate it [this will enable me to be sure and will help me make the decision to who gets what when folk order them. So far everyone knows, although two others are finding out]. Funny though, when the RNLI started the design of these they said every boat would be the same, with no 'little differences', as has been the case on other classes over the years. You John, and a few other folk, have already spotted differences galore!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on May 14, 2018, 06:16:58 AM
Hi Kim I enclose a picture of the cock pit gate it looks different in the fact it only has 2 holes on the right hand side were the writing is and not 3 holes as of yours. This is from 13-09.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on May 14, 2018, 06:19:42 AM
Hi should have said 1 hole.

John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 14, 2018, 09:51:54 AM
Hi John,
Yes, sorry, you are so right. That makes Version 3 [so far!]. I had a look last night, but could not get a good definition [sharpness] when I zoomed in, but thought I had read it correctly, but not so. So thanks for the correction.
I have had a PM from another of our Shannon community and he too has reminded me of this 360 degree tour of the Ilfracombe boat. It should be a help to many modellers - very clever.
Cheers and keep up the good work.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: minimariner on May 14, 2018, 08:21:58 PM
Hi Kim, Photo`s of Lowestoft 13-05 and Skegness 13- 17 gates.
     Bryan.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on May 18, 2018, 05:02:41 PM
Bryan,
Many thanks for this. I also got a photo sent from Mike [Griebeauval] for Scarborough's boat and this also confirms version 3. So with what Alan drew my attention to has now made me look again at the detail and notice that not only is there only hole between the top 'full' line and the next 'full' line under the lettering area, but that that top line now only has thirteen [13] holes, instead of 14 holes in the earlier [version 1] gate inset.
Great, these little details. I have just got back from the 'waterjet cutting' company having ordered some of these versions so that I can fulfil a recent order received. These ought to be with me in the middle of next week and the surplus will be going with me to the Care Ashore Charity Show in Alfold in three weekends time [2nd and 3rd June] where I will have my LBES gazebo and model display + lifeboat memorabilia.
So, anyone else out there that has a clear close-up shot of a Shannon gate and the boat's number - please post it here or send it to me on a PM or email. My list of the 26 Shannons so far built is half completed.
My thanks for your interest.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: kinmel on May 18, 2018, 05:11:54 PM
13-18 (Llandudno) is identical to 13-17's
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 04, 2018, 05:41:50 PM
Before I catch up on earlier matters [maybe later tonight or tomorrow] I will give a short update on the Alfold Charity Model Show from last weekend, down there at the Care Ashore HQ, Springbok Estate, Alfold, Surrey.
The weather this year was just superb, likewise the company and camaraderie. There were some 22 MBCs, including the large Moorhen MBC stand and a similar one from the Portsmouth & District MPBC too. It was good to see some new clubs joining in for the first time too. The Eastourne MBC [Martin, Ian and John] who were just across the aisle from my LBES gazebo, and they were 'royally' entertained by my antics, right across the weekend!! Thanks guys for your help, humour and guardianship of my stand in my regular 'absences' - when I remembered my key! Also Ramsgate Vikings MBC, with one gent [sorry, forgot his name] taking the 'Best Lifeboat' shield! Which brings me to the fact that we gave a small tribute to the late Tony Olliff at the awards and presentations. Tony passed away in April and his name appears on many of the cups and shields at this Show. He was a prolific model lifeboat builder to a superb standard. He had an 'impish' sense of humour and regularly wandered around the stands. He was a founder member member of the Southern Model Lifeboat Society, along with Reg Woodcock and others and was also a member of the LBES. Trevor Goacher, the CEO of Care Ashore, said when he arrived on the estate he was more than a guest - he was 'one of the Springbok Estate family, a fine accolade indeed. However, without Tony this year the bar takings were down considerably!! He will be sorely missed. Should anyone [or Club] wish to make a tribute donation in memory of Tony, please send it to Trevor Goacher [CEO] at Care Ashore - it will be gratefully received and help boost the money raised this weekend for this fine Charity, looking after the needs of Merchant Seamen, Royal Navy staff and divers too.
Oh, there were model railway layouts, some real diesel engines pumping water, a bouncy castle and other entertainments, as well as the Guides and Rangers providing good food and drinks.
Attached are a few shots of my stand. Notice the stand that was the 'brain child' of Arno [SwiftDoc] - it is great in the workshop, holds the boat securely when moving it from the workshop to the car and it travels so steadily in transit and still looks great on display - wunderbar! The beautiful little 41' 'Aldeburgh' Beach Lifeboat was scratch built by John Sanders and I acquired that from him a few years back. It's the Dungeness based lifeboat, so goes well with their Shannon, here in build!
It was good to meet so many folk that spend time reading this 'thread' - thanks.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on June 04, 2018, 06:22:31 PM
which boat is now missing 2 stanchions  {-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 06, 2018, 05:05:13 PM
Spongie - The answer is RNLB Edith Emilie [ON 1062] 52-14!! If you look at page 93 in Tony Denton and Nicholas Leach's book 'Lifeboat Directory - a Complete Guide to British Lifeboats' you will see her photographed as a Pilot boat in Montrose harbour. She is without her stanchions on the Port side and also her later model capstan - now appearing to possess an early version. A friend of mine owned the ex- RNLI lifeboat 'Mabel Alice' and acquired a number of 52-14's stanchions and the capstan [which I nearly bought from him to act as the base to a revolving 1/12th scale lifeboat stand for my Arun - 52-25! Alas it was too heavy to be able to move on my own and even for the back of the Volvo V70 Estate!!]. However, I did buy two stanchions [which are the same on the Trent, Severn, Mersey and Tyne classes too], this helped solve a dispute where I needed to prove that the section below the central knuckle and the kickboard spade was in fact tapered [Q.E.D.]. They now accompany me to a number of Shows, where I use RNLI memorabilia amongst my LBES display.  %)
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: spongie on June 06, 2018, 05:55:17 PM
I've got the rest of the stanchions off her  :-))


Didn't know Andy had the Capstan!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 12, 2018, 03:05:13 PM
Got to 'catch up' and 'fess up' to a few matters, before I show my upper steering position gate build for the Alfold Charity Model Show a couple of weeks back.
Firstly, that rusty old spanner, bolt and nut [see reply 628] sent to me by Arno [SwiftDoc] was a chocolate one, bought in Bruges, Belgium and sent as an Easter present. Hence, it did not last long and had a wonderful taste. I thought showing it might be a 'fly to the trout' in certain areas, but I was sadly wrong!
Secondly, the weld lines continue to be added, but I have gone 'off piste' with the gate insert build at the moment, as mentioned above. Thanks to all those, and there have been many [emails, PMs, phone calls and in person at Shows] that have said they really do like them. Even better that a few folk are npw adding this to their boat builds now. I have only had one comment that the person did not like them. As I always think, if you want to get the right blue and orange correct on the paintwork, and likewise the nut and bolt heads - along with their washers, then on a lifeboat such as the Shannon this is a prominent feature to the build throughout, so if that is you 'bent' - get it right. I appreciate this is not for everyone [the detail that is], but on this boat the water-jets and weld lines [as well as its beautiful lines!] are the key features for me.
Thirdly, the three versions of the gate insert mention above are here to be seen. So far I have sold ten out of the 23 I have had made.
Lastly, it was good to see Arno and his family over here a few weeks back and catch up on matters, person to person. We shared in our other pastime of motor racing and cars and had a few meals together. We also watched the the evening launch exercise of 13-02 at Dungeness on the Wednesday and then on the Thursday morning a friend of mine who is the LVO [Lifeboat Visits Officer] gave them a guided tour of their Atlantic '85. That and a visit to Mount Ephraim Gardens [to earn large amounts of 'Brownie Points for him!] it was a very enjoyable week. I'll say it again. Ten months ago we did not know each other and had not met. Through this Forum and 'thread' on MBM we have become good friends, share various passions [including quality teas and coffees] and have met four times, including a visit, BBQ and stay at his home in Germany whilst at the Dortmund Show in April - where I had the best piece of lamb ever!!! Long may it all continue - the best side of what goes on within 'social media'.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 12, 2018, 03:14:59 PM
Chris Scott - Mr. Plastic Fantastic - from down in Burgundy, France has been in touch with me concerning his order for a gate insert and some technical measurement details and has sent me some more photos of his 'scratch built' interior for his 1/12th MbD Shannon. Because they are in styrene, they are nice and light. He is currently making the seat-belts for each seat.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Neil on June 12, 2018, 07:19:12 PM
Are all the screens and scanners backlit with led Kim or is it just the light from the camera flash. looks superb. :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on June 12, 2018, 09:08:43 PM
Chris is doing a wonderful job building the interior from scratch. Thanks for sharing!
As Kim covered our last visit to the UK I feel obliged to give a comment on that as well. I have learnt a lot from you Kim and I am happy that you share all your knowledge. Not to forget 17-09, we only had a short stay last year but I took so many impressions with me watching his beautifully detailed build. As you said, long may it continue. And if Martin (admin) should read this thread, thanks a lot for your effort to keep MBM running. Without the forum it all would not have happened.
But now back to the Shannon build ok2


Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 13, 2018, 01:57:22 AM
Neil - Not sure, I don't think they are back-lit, I'll find out, unless Chris reads this and beats me to it!!
Arno - Great to have your encouragement and feedback and am already looking forward to the end of July!!


Well, you've all seen the end product, sitting on my photo of the gate insert at the Alfold Show above, but here is the build process [23 photos in all], I hope it might help some Shannon builders 'out there'.
A few hours work, but it was worth it. Now to make the hinges and hang it on the backrest.


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 13, 2018, 02:04:12 AM
Second set of photos.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 13, 2018, 02:13:23 AM
The final three photos and then time for bed!! But at least I am now up to date with where I am at this moment.
Not sure how much will get done in the next week and a half as I have a Concert coming up in the Cathedral on Saturday 23rd June at 7.30pm singing Elgar's 'The Dream of Gerontius', along with three top soloists and the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra [no less!!]. Some 120 voices in the choir [Canterbury Choral Society - details on their website, should you want to come and support us]. Great music, a superb sound and a great World Heritage setting!

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Macsmouldings on June 13, 2018, 10:49:46 AM
Hi Kim, Really nice work Fella. Hope you are well.

regards,

Martin.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on June 13, 2018, 11:59:42 AM
Well CC.....we trust your vocal chords will be in fine form  :-))...[certain choral massed voices are absolutely magnificent]   O0

Getting back to silver soldering.....we see you have pinned the tubes for support......what is the backing material ?.... some sort of heat resisting compressed Vermiculite board?

Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: minimariner on June 13, 2018, 04:33:23 PM
Derek,
              Its Skamolex Board, Kim put it in the text.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 13, 2018, 11:56:16 PM
Just trying out a better image size of the Gate Insert versions photo, after Charlie stated the quality was not too good. So hope the 'internet tool' he has suggested is better than the previous one I used. Here goes........................
Cheers,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 13, 2018, 11:58:39 PM
That looks better and is of more use. Thanks Charlie; just have to get used to using it now. Life is full of changes and is a constant learning process!!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 14, 2018, 10:49:10 AM
Just been sent another PM by Charlie and it seems I am still using the wrong size 're-size' - can be maximum size of 500kb per individual photo, so let's see what size that gives.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 14, 2018, 10:50:34 AM
Cheers Charlie,
That should be better for detail in future. No wonder your shots have been larger than mine - problem solved - Q.E.D.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Mr Plastic on August 05, 2018, 11:03:29 AM
Good Morning All,
In reply to a question about my interior build, the screens are not back lit. i have used high res photos.
hope this helps.
Mr plastic fantastic.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: TimpdonG on August 17, 2018, 04:51:15 PM
At long last my Shannon is finished !!


Initial sailing trials were impressive - Very fast, and very stable.


For those of you going to the Haydock Park Model Boat Convention next week, she will be on the Etherow Model Boat Club stand.


Geoff G
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 17, 2018, 05:49:19 PM
Geoff,
She looks very neat and a real beauty! I won't be at the Show, but no doubt some others will take photos. Thanks for showing it here.
And then there's all those wonderful electrics inside too...............................!!
I hope to catch up the little I've done recently, but this year has not turned out as planned in my diary!! And here we are half way through August.
However, so pleased you have got your Shannon finished and you are pleased with her.
Please put some more of your thoughts or tips here for us all - good and bad experiences, so we can learn.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 27, 2018, 12:34:42 AM
Yes, I'm back and actually got into the workshop and did some Shannon build today!! This year has just not turned out the way I had planned it at the start.........but that most likely goes for all who are reading this. So let's get up to date and start sharing what's happened.
Well, I'll end now and catch up on some other folks Shannon news over the next couple of days.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 27, 2018, 12:39:22 AM
Apologies.........there was a 'double take' at the Open Day and this attached should have followed the second launch photo and then the last photo was posted the correct way up, but the MBM machinery has thought otherwise!! It gives an impression of what I have done though.
Cheers,
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 22, 2018, 11:45:10 PM
Well, had a great few days at the St. Albans Model Engineering Show a few weekends ago. There are a few shots of parts of our stand [that's Jeff, Lee, Jacob and Paul].
Last week decided to start and make the pulpit rail for the fore-deck. Heated the 4mm brass rod to 'cherry red' and when cool attempted to bend it around a brass rod of the correct diameter [radius] - 28.5mm - and it snapped!! Never happened to me before. On Wednesday I went to Dungeness RNLI to meet up with the LOM [Lifeboat Operations Manager] who is also making the MbD Shannon and take him the motors, ESCs and KMB water-jet updates I had got him. It gave me a chance to see his workshop and model. Whilst there took the opportunity to take more photos and measurements and re-measured the pulpit rail..............42.5mm diameter [divide by 12 = 3.5mm rod should be used!!]. So, this afternoon went back into the workshop.....'cherry red'......bend round 28.5mm rod in vice and 'hey-presto' it worked! Then bent the two angles into it before being called in for evening meal by Mrs. B [who is very happy as we had been out to buy a new washing machine in the morning - brushless motors now!!] You can see the broken rod in the photos.
So there we have it. I'll try and get this done over the next few days [busy with choral work at the moment as a concert at the Cathedral in two weeks time, to close the Canterbury Festival]. I'll try and get those promised updates from other folk's Shannons posted here too.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on October 23, 2018, 07:30:53 AM
Very strange that snapping Kim
I used brass rod straight off the shelf from Cornwall model boats, no treatment of any kind. I started in the middle of a suitable length and initially formed it around a Humbrol paint can and tweaked to the final shape then formed the other bends with hand and pliers
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-gmPWfP8/0/b2e3b275/X2/i-gmPWfP8-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-7fKW7hk/0/1090c4ca/X2/i-7fKW7hk-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 23, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Hi Andy,
Yes, built a few of these at 1/12th scale over the years, for my boats and for a few other folk, and never had a problem. There is a lot of bad quality brass [from China I'm told], but I can't remember where I got this length from. One of many in my stock tubes in the workshop. Still, it went better yesterday. I have to say your one looks very good and it's nice to see one that has the bow searchlight brackets and also the fore-deck LED lights below! First model I've seen with these on.
Just got off the 'phone to Andy G. and it's good to hear that quite a few Shannons got sold at Blackpool and he's taken a few orders since. There will be quite a flotilla of Shannons at the Shows next year - mostly in orange and blue with one in 'Belcher Grey'!!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on October 23, 2018, 11:00:10 AM
Thank you Kim
I think CMB stock is from K&S metals
I picked my MBD Shannon up at Blackpool too so I have all the brass work to repeat  {-)   <:( 


I remade the searchlight cradle from brass and I have done the mount in the bridge also but so far neglected the rear railing mount



(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-N7q62JV/0/94cb0eeb/X2/i-N7q62JV-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on October 24, 2018, 06:01:51 AM
Hi Kim did you forget that the Shannon I built had the light horns on it and the lights work you can just see them in the pictures I put on here. Has any body else built them with working lights.
Cheers John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: C-3PO on October 24, 2018, 09:00:01 AM
This is one of John's (MK1) Shannon's with some of the lights working

Not the best of pictures as for some reason my auto focus was misbehaving and the close up's are all blurred!!

(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2018/10/24/IMG_2316.jpg)


(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2018/10/24/IMG_2077.jpg)

C-3PO

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: C-3PO on October 24, 2018, 10:56:46 AM
A better picture of the rail mounted deck lights on the Shannon built by John (MK1) - every time I look at the detail on this scratch built model I smile

(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2018/10/24/IMG_7950.jpg)

C-3PO
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on October 24, 2018, 12:57:25 PM

CC....could I suggest brass stock from China is not of poor quality, however simply is the product of a ''melt'' of a Grade of brass with a Zinc content over the norm of 80%Cu/20%Zn


With all metals manufactured & exported/imported around the world [included Chinese manufacture] have chemical composition Certification


So if you end up with a brass product that has been imported, the importer should have copy of composition


If you purchased a load of brass bar lengths from a car boot sale........thats just what you have


You have used stainless steel in certain applications.....did you request a specific Grade?.......18/8, 300 Series for non magnetic and  rust resisting?, 400 Series for mechanical strength but less resistant to rusting?


If you purchase brass bar from a reputable supplier they should be able to confirm the Grade of brass


Derek


[PS....my stock of 0.125" [3.17mm] diameter brass was sold to me as 80/20 or Grade C24000] is precision diameter rod.......I think it would be impossible to bend  >>:-( around a 28.5 mm diameter former in the cold condition]



Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on October 24, 2018, 07:36:03 PM
I applaud those who go to the great lengths of lighting up
Myself Id rather not so my light details are limited to looking like they might  {-)
Im not sailing in the dark so I direct my precious time to other aspects  :-)
Old fart also has working lights  O0
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Neil on October 24, 2018, 08:09:10 PM
I applaud those who go to the great lengths of lighting up
Myself Id rather not so my light details are limited to looking like they might  {-)
Im not sailing in the dark so I direct my precious time to other aspects  :-)
Old fart also has working lights  O0





yes, I agree......once spent inordinate amounts of time wiring up all running and nave lights on an old tug and a puffer I made, never actually got to putting power to the trawler lights other than on the work bench, but having put the puffer in the water, the first light failed within a week from salt corrosion from the sea water I sail in and by the 3rd week none of the others worked.....so from that day forth, working gimmicks have never been put on my models, including lights..


my idea of working lights for a night time regatta is a string of Christmas fairy lights hung between masts, fed by 3 x AAA batteries, lol.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on October 24, 2018, 08:24:36 PM
I will of course have the obligatory rotating radar  :-)  an absolute must  O0


https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LVm24Xs/0/172abf55/1280/i-LVm24Xs-1280.mp4 (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LVm24Xs/0/172abf55/1280/i-LVm24Xs-1280.mp4)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: tsenecal on October 24, 2018, 08:33:35 PM
looking at those pictures of MK1s railing...  are those just 3mm LEDs inside 3.5mm or 4mm brass tubing?
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: C-3PO on October 24, 2018, 09:37:49 PM
looking at those pictures of MK1s railing...  are those just 3mm LEDs inside 3.5mm or 4mm brass tubing?

John (MK1) could confirm - They are 12v grain of rice

Regards

C-3PO
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 26, 2018, 02:57:32 PM
Promised an update on a few fellow members' Shannons.
Here is a video clip that Gribeauval [Mike] sent of his son's [David] Shannon in the test tank. This is with new smaller resin nozzles made by Andy Griggs[MbD] and new ESCs fitted to the motors. https://youtu.be/yvBqof0qd0Q    I hope it has worked. If so I will Post another two videos of the same boat that Andy has of Mike's / David's boats with the upgrades and details of how to get them from Andy G.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 26, 2018, 03:16:04 PM

Well, it seemed to work from where I am sitting!!
What a 'test tank' - wished my bath was that large!! However, now the weather is getting colder maybe a smaller 'test tank', and indoors, is better.
Here is the second video. These are the new fibre glass 'hoods' to go with the new smaller nozzle in previous video. They work well and Andy says they will require a little 'cosmetic' tidying. However, they come free with a pair of the new nozzles that cost 5 + p&p - can't be bad - best bargain of 2018!! Get in touch with Andy G. @ MbD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzJoqsoIwvU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzJoqsoIwvU)

The next video will show the same Shannon performing some superb manoeuvres in a confined area with these new nozzles and buckets in use.

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 26, 2018, 04:03:51 PM
Sorry, the new washing machine [Bosch] has just been delivered and installed and when I started telling Mrs. B that it had  a new type brushless motor drive all I got was 'BORING!!'. Oh well, nothing changes.........................
Back to the more interesting things of life!! The next video.................https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmkY4jM7cAk   .
There. That wasn't too hard and Mike obviously gave me a good instruction as it all seems to have worked - first time I've posted videos. I trust you will have enjoyed them, don't forget to get your updates from Andy G!!
I'll end here, but there might be more later tonight on my build progress and Chris's down in Burgundy [Macron country].
C.C.



Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: gribeauval on October 26, 2018, 07:21:10 PM
went even better at Blackpool but this is the only video clip of it on the pool that seems to have been taken!!!
Pity as my son, David, had the boat doing pirouettes and crabbing sideways as well as trying to stand on its nose during crash stops.



https://www.facebook.com/battleshipbuff/videos/10155903299992849/ (https://www.facebook.com/battleshipbuff/videos/10155903299992849/)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 27, 2018, 01:26:06 AM
Just to catch up on the Posts put here:
I'm awaiting for some 'higher res.' shots from Chris in Burgundy, so a little delay there.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 27, 2018, 12:21:01 PM
'There's more than one way to skin a cat'.........well, that was a book that an old church minister friend of mine from yester-year had!!
And that was where I was at a few days ago when I had an odd half an hour and decided to put the next couple of bends into my pulpit rail. After the 'cherry red' session they both snapped again!! <*<  So I tidied the four ends on the 3.5mm pieces of rod and then silver soldered [using my small 5 Euros brazing torch which fills with lighter fuel] them back together again! Then I:
That's how you now see it [in a temporary position] whilst I wait for the 3.5mm brass tube to arrive for the front legs - seeing as I hope to have working LED lights. :-))
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 27, 2018, 12:35:43 PM
You will see:
The rest of the photos are attached.
Again, a reminder that I go a little OTT with my explanations and photos to hopefully help those folk that do not have plans or are building their first boat / Shannon class lifeboat. For those folk, you will see I do  DVD of over 1,000 photos of the Shannon for 6.50 [inc. p&p] and all of that goes to the RNLI station at Dungeness and also a small brass gate insert for the upper steering position with it's 154 holes all water-jet cut out. This is 15 + postage [that was the actual cost] - there are a few left. Just send me a PM and I'll get them off to you. They both appear on previous pages of this build.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on October 27, 2018, 01:33:26 PM
Hi Kim
Looking good nice tube bending sir.

Regards

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 29, 2018, 01:51:59 AM
Thanks Derek. A small bit done, but at least I'm in the workshop again now.


Today [Sunday] saw a couple more hours there and I decided to make the starboard side wheelhouse roof handrail [made the port one July last year]. I used the same approach and silver soldering to achieve this and that is recorded on Page 18 of this 'thread' - Post number 443.
Here are the photos of this one. I just await the delivery of the 3.5mm brass tube to get back to the pulpit rail. However, later today [Monday] I might start to look at bending the main stern 'open' fairlead and its fabrication and deck plate.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 31, 2018, 11:19:08 AM
As 17-09 came across last week for a few hours I thought I would share with you some more of his scratch built items for his 1/12th Severn Class based at Dover. I'm also putting it here to give some insight into scratch building, knowing just how many MbD Shannons have been sold and ordered in recent weeks. Obviously the 'season for Winter Projects' is getting underway - who said scratch building was a dying art?
Some of what you will see in the photos are:
What is shown takes research, access to the actual boat and items [not always easily possible at this height from the deck - but achieved with permission and the correct H&S approach]. It, alongside patience, pays dividends.
Hopefully these will inspire others to give it a go.
I will now get into the workshop to start making the stern 'gob-eye' fairlead deck plates for my Shannon, seeing as the 3.5mm tube has still not arrived for the pulpit rail!! More ordered from another supplier.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on October 31, 2018, 12:30:08 PM
Beautiful - amazing - awesome!!!! A real source of inspiration! Will have to ask my ladies what kind of product curtain wire is - it seems to come from a world they have better knowledge of :o Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on October 31, 2018, 01:05:10 PM
Hi Arno,
 They are called taught wires over here, used to hang net curtains, strip off the plastic covers to reveal these corrugations.
( sorry to butt in Kim....)
 17-09 Alan......
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 01, 2018, 11:29:34 PM
Went into the workshop yesterday and made the two stern deck plates that the 'gob-eye' towing fairlead is fixed to. All of this while I waited for the brass 3.5mm tube to arrive and enable the pulpit rail to be completed. These were fabricated from 0.8mm [1/32"] brass strip.
During this process I noted that detail was missing from the RNLI plans. Some folk say these are always 100% accurate, but I have referred to my RNLI Trent class plans before, where the telecommunication mast is the same way around whether it is viewed from the bow or the stern. Also the port and starboard air-condition trunking exits the wheelhouse is left off. Here I noted that two plans of the same areas where some 2mm out in places at 1/12th scale. Also the three stern deck access hatch covers have only got the hinge detail on the covers - this is not continued onto the actual deck surface, as shown on the attached photo.
The brass tube was delivered late afternoon, so I quickly cut the two 100mm lengths that would become the front 'legs' for the pulpit rails and profiled the top joint area with a 'cod mouth', ready to accept the curve of the top rail.
Although a Concert week for me here in Canterbury, I did manage a few hours in the workshop today and tried to silver solder the 'legs' to the pulpit rail. Oh, what a day!! I made four attempts that were inadequate and broke. Finally it worked. I have done this many times and had no problem. Everything was clean, prepared and using the same flux that I normally use. It just goes to show that not everything proceeds well all of the time. This now needs to be cleaned up before I continue - I hope to get a little more done tomorrow, by getting the support rails in place on this fixture.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on November 02, 2018, 10:21:15 PM
Hi Kim
I question why the need for silver soldering ?
All my brass is regular multi core solder and holds very well
It took a full speed crash to break my bow railings and had they been silver soldered I fear the deck would have broken instead
https://youtu.be/YVHRWCUKObI (https://youtu.be/YVHRWCUKObI)


The main damage was to the resin cast bow roller assembly but I benefitted in the long term by reproducing from scratch in brass
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-BJBMPRh/0/72bf6a94/X2/i-BJBMPRh-X2.jpg)


Im thinking I would not know where to begin if I had to silver solder such as these grab rails
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-FjTr7WK/0/014c1003/X2/i-FjTr7WK-X2.jpg)


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on November 02, 2018, 11:07:43 PM
Some video same day after the crash
This was in hindsight foolhardy as at this point I did not realise the cause of the loss of control
https://youtu.be/gOwuSJD7j3o (https://youtu.be/gOwuSJD7j3o)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 03, 2018, 12:33:15 AM
Taranis,
After my first 1/12th scale lifeboat - the Arun class - I have always silver soldered my brass work for all of the 'heavy duty' railings and stanchion work. These are the most likely to take a knock and I have found with just the normal solder that items have bent, whereas with silver solder there has been a resistance that had led to no damage. The other reason being that in some builds where many 'fiddly' assemblies are required [telecomms masts] it allows for silver solder, normal solder for the 'protected' and non- major pieces and even low melting point solder for some small finer detail in a 'crowded' area. It all works well and was introduced to me by my late friend [and top engineer] Ted. Never had any problems - until this last fortnight. Still not the end of the world, I just went across to me Walkover 555 set-up and the correct nozzle and extra heat cured the problem. It's just what some jewellers use on very small detailed work. The flame can be tuned right down to a needle point and can be very accurate in its application - my wife's uncle used to be a jewellery craftsman for Cartier.
However, your damage was a blessing in disguise, as the new scratch built stem head roller is just a wonderful little creation. As for the videos [I've now watched all three of yours] that boat has a great turn of speed, seems very manoeuvrable and the sound unit is a nice touch, adding a little 'reality'. This should inspire a few more of us to get our boats ready to be on the water for next Spring!
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 03, 2018, 12:46:40 AM
Got a small period in the workshop today [a hectic schedule all round], so another couple of steps forward, rather than a total standstill. I cut and made the two bracing rails that run parallel to the top of the pulpit rail. I profiled [cod-mouth] the four ends and here they are sitting in position [dry fitted]. Whether I will get time tomorrow [Saturday morning] to silver solder these into position waits to be seen, as it will be mostly spent at the Cathedral with a full rehearsal with the orchestra in the afternoon and the Concert in the evening.
The unit has been tidied slightly and will be further 'tweaked' once the whole unit is complete. One of the holes drilled in the fore-deck might need filling and re-drilling as it is very slightly out of alignment and is creating a tension in the legs [much like its owners!].

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Neil on November 03, 2018, 12:56:48 AM

I too prefer silver solder over soft solder.....it's hardier, takes knocks, doesn't fracture when older, and it flows well into the joints, with less cleaning up after. it also goes "off" very quickly.....I do use soft solder for very thin brass and copper that a normal propane pencil pin flame from my Sievert torch would normally melt, but use the torch to pre heat before using liquid flux and multicore to flow into the joint on the  thinner gauge sheet such as the life belt hangers.



also when silver soldering, you can localise the area you want to solder with heat sinks, because the heat needed to melt the solder is much higher and therefor can be isolated, whereas using soft solder the heat, even with heat sinks are used, usually ends in having to heat the whole assembly in order to give the soft solder a good enough temp to melt and bind to the metal.


and finally, silver soldering is much quicker.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 03, 2018, 01:14:17 AM
Yep Neil,
It's 'horses for courses' as they say. When I ran the Model Boat Building Course for the U3A from my home for five years, I did a couple of sessions on the various ways of soldering and then set up little practicals for each of them in the workshop. They all could not believe how easy it was once the three 'musts' - clean joints areas, correct heat and solder for the job, and no movement whilst performing the action. One elderly gentleman said all his life it has been a 'black art' and he had never mastered it. Then came the Coarse and he has never looked back. Whenever we meet, if there is someone else in the conversation he always introduces me as the 'chap that taught me to solder'!! As you know, I always say when things go wrong, as some folk, new to the hobby, think that for some of us nothing ever goes wrong - oh how wrong that is. I hope that it will encourage some to have a go and at least give them an idea of how to rectify matters.
Have a good weekend.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Neil on November 03, 2018, 01:29:22 AM
Yep Neil,
It's 'horses for courses' as they say. When I ran the Model Boat Building Course for the U3A from my home for five years, I did a couple of sessions on the various ways of soldering and then set up little practicals for each of them in the workshop. They all could not believe how easy it was once the three 'musts' - clean joints areas, correct heat and solder for the job, and no movement whilst performing the action. One elderly gentleman said all his life it has been a 'black art' and he had never mastered it. Then came the Coarse and he has never looked back. Whenever we meet, if there is someone else in the conversation he always introduces me as the 'chap that taught me to solder'!! As you know, I always say when things go wrong, as some folk, new to the hobby, think that for some of us nothing ever goes wrong - oh how wrong that is. I hope that it will encourage some to have a go and at least give them an idea of how to rectify matters.
Have a good weekend.
Kim



and you KIM.




I  have always found silver soldering much easier.....in fact whilst during my teaching career, I used to teach 14-15 year old boys AND  girls both silver and soft soldering, and the kids picked up the former, much more quickly than soft soldering.


I am not saying that all my joints are made using that method as the smaller thinner gauge..20 -24 gauge stuff is suicidal using a propane torch,  and then I use soft solder, but still use a bakers paste flux to aid flow, even though I use multicore I find the former much more satisfying for an ultimately cleaner joint....I just wish more people would try it before thinking it is beyond them...my Sievert torch cost 50 quid, a propane gas bottle 20 quid and a propane regulator 18 quid.....and it will do virtually anything I need from it....as for breaking a 2mm thick grp deck, I very much doubt it, TBH.


I've hit a fair few concrete banks at speed with my grp hulls and never broken one yet, and the Speedline deck is equally as robust as my hulls that I mould. {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on November 03, 2018, 08:30:02 AM
Thanks for those replies  :-))
I also use different heats and solder types for parts close together and even superglue for a third or further connections.
The crash didnt actually bend my brass rather it burst three solder connections but unfortunately this resulted in one piece being lost in the drink  {-)  the top one piece rail was reused as luck would have it.
These really are fun to sail and attract a lot of attention equally at low speed as at the overscale speed.


On my stern railings I had them built and painted before I realised that the mid to top rail must be exactly 41mm to accommodate the life ring mounts. Using regular solder allowed me to make the necessary adjustments without destroying all the paint

Thanks for the bow roller compliments Kim
This is now finished in Humbrol chrome spray to good effect  :-) 


I dont know if you are aware but the sound unit is a ESS dual that is marketed for 1/10 scale 4x4 rc cars
This can be found on eBay from uk seller for under 60 and has Scania sound file
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Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on November 03, 2018, 01:09:34 PM
This is in no way a criticism of silver solder it is just that I have not learnt to do it.
The thing I find a major advantage of soft soldering is the ability to solder in place as the GRP will withstand the heat easily. This ensures the foot plate of every stanchion is exactly at the correct angle to the deck
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-nWNGtJr/0/4c205d46/X2/i-nWNGtJr-X2.jpg)
I have seen a number of examples where the cabin front railings fall fowl of being vertical whilst soldering in situ enables better accuracy. The left side of the picture here looks out of plumb but that is the camera lens effect
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-BhwNDDL/1/4e54342a/X3/i-BhwNDDL-X3.jpg)


Surprisingly even the resin will withstand the heat too if quick
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Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 31, 2018, 11:35:32 PM
Can't believe that it's almost two months since last 'post' and the IMBS at 'Warwick'. So, I'll catch up over the next few days on matters appertaining to lifeboats and and all things 'Shannon'. But, first......................
Part of the reason that I am behind on the build and the 'thread' is that I have 'duties' looking after two family members at the moment and this is taking an awful lot of time each day, so this is way down the list of priorities!!
Firstly, I will start with photos from our LBES stand at Warwick - we came second to King Lear MBC, who had a wonderful display and especially the compilation of various boat / vessel video clips - this entertained a good number of folk over the three days, well done King Lear [Again!!]. You might notice a certain 'bright shirt' character, without whom we would have no MBM and also a photo of all those who helped 'man and woman' the pool on the occasions  allotted. I will start at my corner of the stand with my 'in build' and photos alongside some of my memorabilia and the lovely 41' Beach [Aldeburgh] lifeboat diorama built by John Sanders and now owned by me - based on the Dungeness lifeboat. We go around the stand to the wonderful scratch build of the ill fated RNLB Solomon Browne - built by Mick Astle for Paul Parfitt and his collection.
All the best to all around the world and all the best for 2019, just twenty minutes away!!
KB [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 31, 2018, 11:50:42 PM
Notice here the two MbD Shannons built by Chris Scott - one belongs to Andy [Griggs] and the other is Chris's. Andy tells me has now broken the '200' barrier for the Shannon, so who says scratch building is a 'dying art' in the model boat world?
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on January 01, 2019, 12:25:50 AM
Super pics, happy New Year Kim  :-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 01, 2019, 12:30:45 AM
Thanks my friend,
Great to speak to you. Maybe next year you could join us on the stand and water display? You and your boat would be most welcome.
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on January 01, 2019, 12:35:32 AM
I can see no end in sight as building has ceased until the warm weather returns BUT she is proficient on the water finished or not so thank you for the invite. Happy 2019  8)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 01, 2019, 01:16:50 AM
Forgot to give credit to the wonderful Sue Kinghoward, who is a great photographer in her own right, for taking our group photograph - which is why most of us are smiling! Thanks Sue,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Macsmouldings on January 01, 2019, 01:42:07 PM
Mr Grey,

Happy New Year Fella, look forward to seeing you soon.

regards,

Martin and Mel
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 09, 2019, 11:39:07 AM
Now, where I had not succeeded last year in getting my Canterbury jeweller and his laser Birmingham jewellers to laser cut the small 'stencil' font lettering on the upper-steering position gate insert, Arno [swiftdoc] in Germany has :-)) !! I am using his photo here to show the result. So, thanks Arno, that is a wonderful result, for which I am well pleased and will be sending you mine to have laser cut. So if you already have one of my gate inserts [or would like one] and might want the lettering added, here are your options:
It's your choice to go with the offer [for which Arno and myself actually make no profit, but having done the work for ourselves, gives you the option of joining in on the small - but expensive - small runs of the product]. However, to get this moving, we will both need to have the orders in by the end of this month  - January 2019. I will be having a few [maybe four] extras made for the future...........but don't count on these if you want one now. I hope this all makes sense, PM me if not and I will 'enlighten' you!
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 16, 2019, 04:55:30 PM
The postman has bought my five Shannon gate inserts back from Germany and the Anglo-German project has succeeded [whatever the Brexit Project is doing, or not!]. So thank you Arno [swiftdoc] for making a 'little dream come true' - this modeller has a grin across his face 'like a Cheshire cat'! There are still four in my workshop - the details appear above, should you want one.
I have also got my seats from France [so has Arno], so to that effect I will hope to get the basic resin casts photographed tomorrow and onto this 'thread'. Chris will be selling them to interested 1/12th Shannon builders, so watch this space.
To that end I went down to Dungeness RNLI last Wednesday and took a detailed set of photographs to help modellers understand their build, set-up and operation - should you want to make a detailed set. A few photos are attached, but these also show the new range of instruments and throttle and bucket controls for the new Hamilton Water-jet AVX3 system - there are differences, both in the wheelhouse and also mirrored in the USP [upper steering position]. I was allowed to have a 'fiddle' with these and see them work and alter the display - great fun! That was why 13-02 has been at Poole HQ for around three months, where she also had other modifications made [interior 'beefing up' of the deck furniture that takes large loads]. The Engineer also told me the rear of the keel had been lengthened by 6" and also 'beefed'.
That's all for this Post. More to follow in the next couple of days and with the inspiration of Mk1's Shannon, tractor and trailer build and from the photos's of Arno's Italian Bigliani Coastguard build, maybe I'll get to do some more modelling myself!!
Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 18, 2019, 03:09:21 AM
Here are the cast white resin seats set produced by Chris [Mr Plastic] over in Burgundy, France. They are a very good basis to make a start on what could be a long build without them. The photo does not quite show the padded seat edges and surrounds - they are a very good reproduction of the real thing. The amount you detail them up will be down to you! I shall start a build of one later in the week when my 1/12th seat belts and carbon fibre decals arrive. Notice the template for the side plates of each seat at the bottom of the photo. If you want a set they are Euros 35 + p&p. Contact Chris via a PM to get his details and preferred payment method. I shall photograph the relevant RNLI plans sections I will be using for my detail tomorrow and put them here on the thread.
Also here is a photo of the radar motor box - also made by Chris. A PM to him will likewise get you the cost + p&p. I will eventually cut mine in half, mill out the middle of each section, make a small working hinge and then put a small motor inside to turn the radar scanner at 26rpm!
Finally, a photo of the small set of broach / reamer files I spoke of in a recent Post here.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 18, 2019, 03:21:30 AM
I have just re-worked the seat photograph to hopefully show the seat swab detail and also the shoulder pads on the top of each side of the back swab. I should have used a +/- switch [for white on white and black on black] on the camera, but forgot!
C.C.


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on February 18, 2019, 09:55:20 AM
Hi Kim,
 Good to have you back with your build, those seats from Chris look really interesting.
The seats on 17-09 are from KAB Seating and their website say they supply seats for the RNLI, the ones on 17-09 are KAB 524's and look a bit different to the Shannon ones in your photo's, a bit beefier, but then, the Severn is bigger. (and better) !!!   LOL
17-09
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 18, 2019, 11:55:27 PM
I have a number of email catch-ups with Arno [swiftdoc] each week and a few WhatsApp video calls every now and then. He has sent me some photos of his Italian Coastguard Bigliani vessel, an unusual subject and for me a lovely looking vessel. When he has finished this he will make a start on the one of his two Shannon class lifeboats - the MbD 1/12th scale one, I believe. The Bigliani is a really nicely built model, getting near the final moments............and it's GREY Martin........but by design!! He has agreed for me to show you all a few photos - we await with bated breath the Shannon build!
As they say on the other side of the 'pond' - 'enjoy'. Great work Arno on another SAR type vessel model build.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on February 19, 2019, 07:35:47 AM
A very interesting vessel Doc  :-))  lovely to see thanks for sharing :-)


Kim
I have a spare motor for the radar if youd rather put it in the T frame? I owe you one
Action electronic voltage controller can achieve the desired speed
The noise is not as bad as the iPhone camera might have you believe having a keen microphone


https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3SMWFPg/0/3e462c2f/1920/i-3SMWFPg-1920.mp4 (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3SMWFPg/0/3e462c2f/1920/i-3SMWFPg-1920.mp4)


Underside
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Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 19, 2019, 04:22:37 PM
Andy that is a very kind offer and a another great way of concealing the motor and driving the radar scanner round - thanks. I am sending you a PM. The video looks so realistic with that sweep speed.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on February 19, 2019, 04:24:04 PM
 :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on February 19, 2019, 08:22:41 PM
Please delete or ignore  :embarrassed: ..........................Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 20, 2019, 12:27:09 AM
As promised - here are photos of the RNLI plans I shall be working from to make a more detailed set of seats for the interior of the Shannon class lifeboat, based on Chris's cast resin set above.
Please note: These plans have been taken at different distances, so will need to be used with care if scaling. They are being shown to see my approach in the build and what goes where. I will be giving a few measurements when I start, so this will give an aide to see the size and enlargement / reduction required when building. However, they are also useful to see:
I hope this gives an insight and helps with the overall understanding of the wheelhouse interior, especially as the RNLI no longer make the plans for this lifeboat available.


Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 04, 2019, 08:28:21 PM
Still have not found the time [and sometimes the inclination!] to properly get on with some earnest Shannon build. But hope to at the weekend or next week - maybe the start of the wheelhouse floor, ready for the first seat build [with detail]. That will require the access hatch into the hull space to be made more exact in its dimensions - something slightly different, before I get back to the stern railings and stanchions and also finish the stern bollard! There are Shows coming where some progress must be shown!!
However, Arno [swiftdoc] in Germany did get into his workshop at the weekend and sent me some photos of the Italian Coastguard Bigliani progress on the telecomms tower lighting and elsewhere on the wheelhouse superstructure. The main thing was it went well and he enjoyed it - what more can you say - something we all ask for when we enter through the door of the workshop!! I think it shows and here are three photos to show where he is at - I really do like the authentic and realistic figures too, brings it to life. Remember, when this is finished, his next build is to start his 1/12th Shannon class lifeboat! What I did like was his 2019 RNLI calendar on the wall............
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on March 04, 2019, 08:48:31 PM
Love it! That mast is icing on the cake  :-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on March 04, 2019, 09:22:04 PM
Thank you so much for your compliments! The figures are a mix of Deans Marine and Fujimi ones. Cutting off the arms and heads made me feel a bit like Frankenstein...


I still have to airbrush some detailing parts and then this project will be finished (it took me about two years). Then it will be the 1/12th Shannon MbD build for me, my first model with jet drives. I cannot wait to start that and your input will surely be a great help for me. :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on March 05, 2019, 10:49:01 PM
Sure we'd all love to see more of your work Arno  :-)
I'm nearly as far as I'm content with on my Portgarth.
Shannon build will resume this month at the builders group forum. Praying for an early spring and warm weather.
If you ever want your best pictures hosting at full resolution just email them to me and I'll give you a link to the address to post the images anywhere.
I have routinely been deleting forum membership requests from ALL .gmx email addresses as they are mostly scammers/spammers. Anyone using such an address should contact forum administration in advance of application. Anyone using a false/inacurate email address will not get the membership confirmation so again contact admin to clarify the delay
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 27, 2019, 01:39:22 AM
Well, I hope that if Martin and his 'team of Moderators' read this they will be well encouraged to continue the excellent work they do to give us this great website!
During early 2017 'swiftdoc' - Arno in Germany added a few comments to this 'thread'. In August of that year I met him and his wife and younger daughter at the Dungeness RNLI Open Day....................and as they say, 'the rest is history'. We have met on a number of their visits to the UK in the past 20 months and I have also visited them in the Siegen Region of Germany when I went to the Dortmund Intermodellbau last year. Now, most of you will know that my first passion on this planet is Choral singing, so imagine my complete surprise when I got an email a couple of weeks ago to say that 'swiftdoc' [Arno] and 'swiftfrau' were flying over to hear me sing in Mozart's Requiem with the English Chamber Orchestra at Canterbury Cathedral last weekend and then fly back on Monday!! That is some friendship and support that I will never forget to my last day on this planet - many thanks folk, it meant so much and we had a really good time when they visited the afternoon rehearsal [photos here] and then the actual Concert [photos not allowed] in the evening last Saturday, where they were part of an 800+ audience. Sunday saw us meet and have a meal and then head off to Whitstable harbour - a favourite spot of theirs. Some photos are attached of them watching me in the very back row and me watching them from the giddy heights of the eleventh row. They also met fellow model boat builder Dick and his wife, who they met last summer over here. In just over a week I will be back in Dortmund to cover the Intermodellbau Show for the Model Boats magazine, whilst also meeting up with the Schnell family for a few days! What a wonderful friendship this has turned out to be, all down to this wonderful Forum and our model boat hobby.
Speaking of which I hope to be back to some serious Shannon modelling in the next couple of days and then again when I get back from Dortmund, where I will be flying out with 'Delboy1958' and 'lifeboat-Lee'! Unfortunately Mrs. B has been quite unwell since just before Christmas, with not much hope of getting better, so I have now quite a few extra 'chores' to do most days, just to keep us fed and watered and in some sort of order - that said she tries here best to not let matters beat her! So hence the lack of building on this 'thread'. I should think that by now a few of you will have well overtaken me with your builds and might even be on the water in a blue and orange livery - long live the grey primer look!!
I hope to start on the deck cut outs for the wheelhouse 'ingresses' for life-raft [bow] and the water / fuel inlets and their box attachments on the wheelhouse itself. Then a start on the seats and the wheelhouse floor section....................'the best laid plans of mice and men'...................
I trust you are all still out there and enjoying your builds, whatever they may be.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on March 28, 2019, 06:29:07 AM
We had such a wonderful time in Canterbury and Whitstable, thank you Kim so much for making it all possible and spending the time with us. The concert was magnificent and touched us deeply. We will never forget that weekend in all our life.


As Kim has already posted, this friendship would not have been possible without this amazing forum. I am very thankful for that and if the administrators and moderators should read this they should feel proud because of their great job backstage


My Bigliani build is nearly finished and I cannot wait to start the Shannon MbD build.


Next week Kim and me will attend the Dortmund Intermodellbau show, Brexit can wait {-)


Kindest regards


Arno




Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on March 28, 2019, 09:06:34 AM
Hi Arno and Kim.
Have a great time in Dortmund, I will be with you in spirit!!
   Alan  17-09
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on March 28, 2019, 10:43:20 AM
Hi Alan,
We will send you some photos! It is a pity that you will not be with us. Hopefully we will meet each other in July (another friendship which started on this forum) O0
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on March 28, 2019, 11:12:28 AM
Hi Arno & Kim, have a good trip. Please post lots of photos of the Lifeboats you see on display. Some of those DGzRS models look pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on March 29, 2019, 12:49:55 PM
Hi Kim, knowing that you are such a fan of the grey livery, here are a few photos of ON1342 for you to enjoy! They show her just after having the grey primer applied. These were shared on the Lifeboat Enthusiasts Facebook group. This one is apparently destined for Peel, IoM.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on March 29, 2019, 01:25:05 PM
Great pictures Charlie. Is that an afloat build? or do you think the rope guides get fitted at a later stage?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-D52PfWn/0/8ae8f7d1/X3/i-D52PfWn-X3.jpg)


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on March 29, 2019, 01:41:23 PM
Well observed Andy! Peel is a carriage launched station, so if the info posted is accurate and that is definitely where she is going, then i guess the guides must be fitted at a later stage. But i don't have any definitive knowledge about the build process. Maybe Kim will be able to answer this one.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 30, 2019, 12:34:05 PM
Hi Charlie, Taranis and Alan [17-09],
Charlie - I have just put you onto my 2019 Christmas Card List, you are the first one on it, purely for the photos of that Peel I.O.M. Shannon 13-02!! Grey, grey, grey......looks wonderful. As for the Dortmund Intermodellbau, yes I will Post a good number of the various German lifeboat models that I see there - even those small dioramas which are made from card! And Alan, we shall miss you, but I will toast you with a Brinkoff at Edo's restaurant!
Taranis - the bow section of your Shannon is coming along fine, with some good small detail. Yes, as far as I can remember the stem-head rubber profiled cross-section for the storage of retaining 'Y' strop is added after the boat is complete and painted, as per my photos from the Opening Day of the AWL Centre at Poole HQ. I have come across a company that makes these in the sort of sizes that we would need in 1/12th scale, so another job for when I get back from Dortmund. I have narrowed the choice down to three profiles, so will order a metre of each and make a decision when I have the physical products in front of me.


Recently Arno and myself, independently, got the resin wheelhouse seats from Chris [MrPlasticFantastic] and because of our interest in F! and Sortscar racing visited some of our supply sites for our models and came up with buying exactly the same items - for each other - just like a couple of twins!! Spooky! I have attached them here so folk can treat themselves.......or not....... they do not come exactly cheap for six seats, but we have decided to eke out two seats from each set, with the help of the 3mm polyester blue tape, purchased from a haberdasher's shop here in Canterbury. I hope the detail for the parts numbering will show up in the photos. If not I will Post the details later, when I have viewed it.
This brings me onto my last point. Way back when Andy G. [MbD] made the first hulls, decks, wheelhouses and window frames [June 2015] he suddenly noticed [on a visit to the Dungeness RNLI Station with me] that his first few hulls had been made with a straight top bow spray rail! He immediately put this right - along with a slightly more flared top to the hull at the bow - and all subsequent hulls had the curve [that almost follows the sheer line] - this then means that when the lettering and numbering is added it has to be spaced at an unusual angle/postion within the boundary area between the mid-spray rail and the top one here mentioned.


Well, had better get on with a little more 'housework' and gardening!


Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on March 30, 2019, 01:09:38 PM
That's an old picture of mine Kim and I'm back building now Portgarth is advanced enough for my taste currently. Hopefully she'll be well advanced by Warwick show but not sure about the logistics
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on March 31, 2019, 02:19:59 PM
Retirement is making a huge difference. Almost completed my stanchions from where things will move on at quite a pace. Might be complete for Warwick yet.
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Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on April 21, 2019, 10:19:55 AM
Happy Easter Kim AKA Mr Grey  {-)  Arno and everyone else  :-))


Do you realise how many greys there are  %%  but I've yet to find the orange grey  {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3bHS8fV/0/f2977126/X5/i-3bHS8fV-X5.jpg)

For the anchor pad
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Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on June 30, 2019, 11:44:26 AM
Kim has invited me to post some details of my build of the Models by Design Shannon kit. I will not 'hijack' his thread but post some photos that might be of general interest.
I have started my build setting back the front of the wheelhouse about 5 mm as Kim took the measurements on the original boat at Dungeness (I will build this version as well as I have seen this one 'in the flesh' - and hopefully will do again at the Open Day soon!). As I am a rivet counter as well, I decided to shorten the wheelhouse as Kim showed in this thread. I cut off the front section leaving it as one part so that I did not face problems reproducing the slope (Kim cut them off in three pieces as you will notice at the beginning of this thread, so I made profit from his experience).
I applied three layers of glassfibre cloth at the inside to reinforce the section. When I sanded down the hatch frame the material got too thin so that another three layers of glassfibre were laminated underneath. The new hatch frame is made from 0.5 and 2.0 mm styrene.
So the start was made, Kim and me being 'Shannon twins'! :-))
Kind regards
Arno


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 30, 2019, 12:09:09 PM
Welcome my very good friend - Arno,
Yes, indeed we have met over the past 'three' years many times, both in England [UK - just!] and Germany and we have been to each other's homes, in fact I have stayed with the wonderful Schnell family on two occasions - superb hospitality. The fact that Arno and I not only share a a 'love' of RNLI lifeboats, but also Formula 1 motor racing, sports and performance cars and also classical music [he and his wife flew over from Germany to the Mozart Concert I was singing in last March at Canterbury Cathedral - true friendship in my book], plus leaf tea and good coffees, indeed makes us Anglo-German 'twins'. Long may it continue.
Arno, I'm so pleased you took up the invite of sharing this build slot on MBM, especially as it is the same lifeboat and model base being used! :-))


Well, I will be back in the next few days with plenty of news to get me back up to schedule, otherwise Arno will have finished his Shannon and I will still be putting the upper steering position gate in place!!
It is good to see Arno's start on the wheelhouse and I can guarantee that this will be a well thought through and neat model build, if his Bigliani and model car collection is anything to go by!
Thanks for the 'kick start' Arno O0 - happy modelling!


Kim [Canterbury Coxswain]

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 09, 2019, 02:40:36 PM
Arno [swiftdoc] progresses....................whilst I have still to get 'the spark plugs' to work!!
He has now been able to mark out the window and wheelhouse side access recesses, drill, use cutting disc and Proxxon sander to get the basic aperture shapes cut and they now await the final trim to the inside line of each window frame. I said it would be a neat build. Q.E.D.
Kim [Canterbury Coxswain]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on July 13, 2019, 08:12:14 PM
I have completed the stretchers as you can see on the photos. To achieve the correct shape, you have to draw a circle with a radius of 2.31 m. I did that on the floor, using a strong thread and a pencil. Remember to add the strength of the deck rims when transferring the template to the aluminium profiles! (about 2 mm in my case) I profiled the stretchers using a jig saw and a Permagrit sanding block.

I decided to glue brass washers underneath the deck as the tension of the deck was too strong for two countersunk screws to hold it down without without them.

Next step will be profiling the wheelhouse to the camber of the deck. :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 14, 2019, 05:19:00 PM
Arno - so pleased that you are here and providing such a good build of another Shannon class lifeboat. When I was with you at your home in April I can remember seeing this in your workshop, awaiting the start, once your Bigliani was complete. So, yes this will keep us all enthused. Recently others have requested the little gate inserts we worked on together, so more MbD Shannons are being purchased and built throughout the UK and EC. I am looking forward to seeing you in person [and other family members] later this month, here in Kent and especially at the RNLI Dungeness Open Day on Sunday 4th August.
Charlie - before I went off to the Dortmund Intermodellbau you asked that I take some lifeboat photos and post them here. This first batch are from the Rettungkreuzermodelle [Rescue Cruiser Models] and are by Michael Ruttel and Reiner Zapatker, seen here with a message for you. Well, before I get back to my Shannon build I will get us up to date with a few Shows and the model lifeboats seen this year. I hope others are inspired and enjoy the photos from like-minded modellers within the EC!! How much longer will we be able to use that phrase?
As those in 'Trumpland' would say - 'enjoy'!
Kim [Canterbury Coxswain].
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 14, 2019, 05:26:36 PM
.........and the rest........sorry about those on their side, but they were the right way up when I posted them! Does anyone know how I can correct this, please? {:-{
C.C.
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Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on July 15, 2019, 06:11:42 PM
Hi Kim,
Thanks for the excellent photos, and a special thanks to Herr Michael and Herr Reiner for their efforts! Those models look magnificent in your photos, but probably even better actually up close. I have read your excellent Dortmund write up in Model Boats, but the advantage of a forum like this is that you can view the photos in a much larger size, which is easier on the eyes.
Charlie
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 15, 2019, 09:36:22 PM
.........and the rest........sorry about those on their side, but they were the right way up when I posted them! Does anyone know how I can correct this, please? {:-{
C.C.

Fixed!   :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 28, 2019, 12:13:18 AM
Thanks Charlie for your comments and Martin for fixing the photos orientation - is there a chance to do the same to the two photos in #748 - please? Thanks.
Just adding a few more lifeboat photos off the Modelbouwgroep Nederland stand at the Dortmund Intermodellbau.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 29, 2019, 03:16:09 AM
The final few photos from the Dortmund Intermodellbau - they are of those on the SMC Murgtal stand.
After these, in the next few days, I shall return to some model building of the Shannon Class boats, starting with the update shots of the work that Arno [swiftdoc] has completed recently.


Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: dpbarry on July 29, 2019, 02:39:19 PM
Hmmmmm!!!!

One can dream to aspire to that level of perfection.  <:( %%
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 29, 2019, 05:55:40 PM
The 'swiftdoc' has landed...................here in Kent and have just got back from a wonderful day with Arno and his 'ladies'.
As promised, the photos of the work he completed before he left the Siegen area of Germany and now he is looking forward to seeing the real boat in action at RNLI Dungeness in Kent on this coming Sunday [4th] at their Open Day. Do come if you are reading this and can make it. It's on from 1000hrs until 1600hrs - there will be burgers, beer and wine, with candy floss and ice-creams [Mr. Whippy 99s] and plenty more to see and do [raffle and plant stand], plus a live launch at 1400hrs! So long as the weather is OK and wind not too strong I hope to have my gazebo and display there too.
Well done Arno, this is starting to take shape nicely and I can already see where the K&S brass you bought today will be going!
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 29, 2019, 11:56:36 PM
Declan,
Dreams quite often do come true!! Inspiration by others allows for one to make an attempt to 'raise the game' in our own builds. This is another good 'spin off' from this Forum.................seeing others' models [here the same Shannon] and reading their build techniques and methods and quite often learning from their mistakes too! Keep enjoying putting together your Shannon 'package' and doing your research - maybe your vessel will soon get allocated to your Station. As you can see from my comments above, Arno and I will be at RNLI Dungeness this coming Sunday! Great fun and a wonderful Boat crew and Shore crew too.
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on July 30, 2019, 06:31:43 AM
Hi Kim             Can you please ask Swift doc or do you know if there are any plans available for the SAR boats that you have shown in the pictures above and if so were could I get a set etc. I am thinking of building something different than a Shannon.   Cheers John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: C-3PO on July 30, 2019, 08:39:22 AM
Hi John,

Are you thinking of this type of model or the smaller ones? - I think I may have some drawings/plans

(https://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/07/30/IMG_572129341b4ef4d93f02.jpg)

Regards

C-3PO (Proud owner of one your scratch built Shannon's)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on July 30, 2019, 09:47:02 AM
Hi John,


have a look at this link:




https://seenotretter-shop.de/schatzkiste/modellbau.html (https://seenotretter-shop.de/schatzkiste/modellbau.html)


This is the official shop of the DGzRS. They sell a variety of plans which cover the different classes of boats. Hope this helps.


Kind regards


Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 30, 2019, 03:44:34 PM
John,
Arno has done us all a big 'favour' there. I have a leaflet in my lifeboat material somewhere [from a Dortmund Intermodellbau visit], but after a long look could not find it. I look forward to seeing which one you choose, the scale you build it at and how many other lifeboat model builders follow suit! All the best and please keep us updated, either with some news here or another of your beautiful 'full builds' on this Forum, please. Good to 'hear from you again'.
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on July 30, 2019, 11:35:54 PM
Hi CPO yes something like that I have no idea on what size that is got to start some were.
Thanks John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on July 30, 2019, 11:44:40 PM
Hi Swiftdoc many thanks for the link to were I can get plans had a look but I will have to work out how to translate into English and then see what I like. Will see first what CPO has and go from there.Hi Kim  I think what ever I build it will be in 1/12th scale all I have to do is get my Mo Jo back not touched any thing to do with models for the last 6 months got to find some thing to take up my time.
Thanks all John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on July 31, 2019, 10:39:24 PM
Super photos Arno  :-)


Can I ask ? regarding your Shannons (Arno Kim), are you fitting the recovery cable channel down the bow?
I fitted mine and lovingly shaped it but after many sailings it was quite damaged from hitting debris at the waterline.
I've recommenced my Speedline in the hope of completing her this year. I've just finished installing a brass channel into the original and blended in with fusion adhesive. I think this should cope with most normal impacts. Being black when finished it will be easy to touch up too.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kXSdfTW/0/ad8f0c3c/X3/i-kXSdfTW-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 31, 2019, 11:25:02 PM
Hi Andy,
I have in fact researched into using actual rubber profile channel to match and fix, just like the way the actual boats are completed. At the moment I have got three types that all look correct in profile, so I am going to request and pay for the three sample lengths and then decide from there. I will Post the result, once achieved successfully, to my taste.
Actually got back into the workshop today, for the first time in many months, and stripped off the ten sections of wonderfully tactile soft-set resin fenders, took the Gorilla black and clear double-sided adhesive tape off and have then re-affixed with a new type 'Stix2Anything' and this is a thinner depth of tape - more like 0.75mm than the Gorilla 2mm. First impressions are that it is a lot better product - but then it should be, it's German! This gives a good temporary fix to allow cutting and fixing and working out the 'gaps' where black silicon joins will be put in place on the final fix with glue. But more details of this next week, after the Dungeness Open Day this Sunday. This is just to let folk know I am back and running, while I still have a lot of domestic duties to do each day [due to my wife's illness], but have managed to completely tidy [almost] the workshop and take some items to the tip and also pass on items too good to 'bin'.
The last couple of weeks have had many requests and questions regarding the Shannon class and also requests for DVDs of my Shannon photos - this all takes extra time too. Speaking to Andy G. today, he tells me he has sold ten more Shannons during the past two and an half weeks.......that's good going.
The main 'lift' to my spirits at the moment is seeing Arno and the 'ladies' again for a couple of weeks!
The attached photos are from Arno's outing today to the Festival at Broadstairs, where the Ramsgate AWL and RIB attended. As I write this they are enjoying the firework display to end the Festival.........................tomorrow we are having a 'model' chat day together and also hoping to enjoy an Indian meal at a fine local curry house.
Kim [C.C.]









Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on July 31, 2019, 11:36:25 PM
Thanks Kim


FYI I will be fitting Jet drives to my MBD hull when I receive some revised parts. The 28mm jets are from OceanWorks Hong Kong and a worthy alternative to Kehrer with a realistic looking Reversing bucket. Victor will also make trim tabs and intake grills when I give him some info after fitting his jets.


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Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: dpbarry on August 01, 2019, 09:28:41 AM
Hi Taranis

Looking forward to seeing any installation photos on your build blog.  :-))

Declan
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on August 03, 2019, 11:57:53 PM
Dear Kim
What have you in mind for access to the motors once the deck is glued in place?
I also prefer my servos for the trim tabs to be mounted direct above so perhaps access those through the hatches
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-pD2thfJ/0/222db9af/X3/i-pD2thfJ-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 04, 2019, 01:46:06 AM
Andy,
Two things for me here, regarding your question:
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on August 04, 2019, 06:10:23 AM
Hi Andy I like the idea some thing like what I used on mine my servos were a lot smaller than the ones you are using as I did not have the space between the deck and the platform. I thing that yours is not quite to scale as of the real boat so it gives you more room. The only problem is how do you fasten the hatches in place so you can remove them to work on the servos?
Hi Kim if you fasten your deck down like you say with covered screws how would you manage about putting the deck on with the rubber bumper in place?
John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 12:26:53 PM
I definitely don't like the many screws idea as a permanent affair.


Having just cut the main hole in the deck the ideal donor hatch panel material presented itself  {-)


I will of course have to transfer the bollard base.


I will make the hatch and surround thicker and it will be held in place by magnets. The bollard will be the means to lift it off. Pretty sure I can make the Joint only a hair line.


Hopefully I can fit the servos so I can service them within the restriction. Certainly access to lubrication points and couplings will be ok
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3Brsg5q/0/919992a3/X3/84DCCE66-F729-44E8-8CA0-A6149090466E-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on August 07, 2019, 08:37:29 AM
Some measurements for the placement of stanchions would be very useful just now. No matter how I do it just doesn't seem right. At the moment I'm thinking of using the fender joints and cleat cutouts as the best indicators. Example, the front stanchion has a leg either side of a the first fender joint.
I think the aft stretcher at 10.5" clashes too possibly
Thanks
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: lankyandy on August 07, 2019, 10:47:10 AM
Can I just ask where you got the stand your building the model on? Or did you make it yourself? Thanks
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 07, 2019, 11:18:05 AM
Andy, I will point you in the right direction........................
LankyAndy - if you look at pages 23, 24 and 25 on this thread you will have the answer..............
Cheers,
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on August 07, 2019, 11:27:37 AM
Can I just ask where you got the stand your building the model on? Or did you make it yourself? Thanks


It's plumber 40mm waste pipe. 8x90 bends 2xT's Not up to Display standards but handy for everything else including working with the hull on its side
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-z6x3DM8/0/63eb63de/X4/i-z6x3DM8-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on August 07, 2019, 11:28:42 AM
Andy, I will point you in the right direction........................
LankyAndy - if you look at pages 23, 24 and 25 on this thread you will have the answer..............
Cheers,
Kim [C.C.]


Thank you Kim  :-))  The Speedline is different measurements
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: lankyandy on August 07, 2019, 11:44:02 AM
Much appreciated
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 07, 2019, 04:04:27 PM
Last week I actually got into the workshop and did a few minor bits of work, which I will catch up on here.
Nothing more, but hope to start catching up on finishing off some of the previously started fixtures here in the next couple of weeks.
Later I hope to Post a few of the photos from last Saturday's RNLI Dungeness Open Day.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 07, 2019, 04:08:47 PM
.... the final few photos.
Two points:
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on August 07, 2019, 06:19:03 PM
Stool is great  :-))  I stand all day then wonder why I have lower back ache
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 07, 2019, 11:08:57 PM
So last Saturday's RNLI Dungeness Station's Open Day has come and gone. It was good that Arno [Swiftdoc] and his family had planned to be here for this and it was good to see them for a good part of the day and also my good friend Dick [a member of the U3A Model Boat Building Course I ran from my home for five years] and his wife. We all went for a superb fish & chip meal at the end of the day at the famous Pilot Inn, almost alongside the lifeboat station and frequented by the crew too.
The day started at the Station for me at 0800hrs where I set-up ready for the 1000hrs start. I decided to take the Shannon [based on their lifeboat], an earlier version model of one of their's - the 41' Aldeburgh Class 'RNLB Charles Cooper Henderson, a static diorama built by John Sanders - and five of the Jane Hart official RNLI 175 years miniature lifeboat sculptures in resin, alongside some of the lifeboat memorabilia I have acquired - helmet, stanchions, compass and lifebelts. In all my collecting boxes yielded 45.82, which considering the number places that had boxes, I was pleased with. This did include some monies for my postcards and also the last two Shannon DVDs of photos I had sold. There were other stands with the armed police unit, the British Sub-Aqua Society, the Romney Wine, Beer and Cider stall, burgers, candy-floss, ice creams, a massive 26+ prize raffle with large screen LED TV as 1st prize, cakes stalls and information tables. This really is a superb day and event! At 1400hrs the lifeboat was launch, much to the enjoyment of the 500+ crowd. Prior to that 17-09, the Dover Severn Class lifeboat passed by, so too five Royal Navy Archer Class P2000s and the Coastguard helicopter flew over from Lydd airport.
Here are some photos to give a feel of the day. Seeing as I was staying on my stand to interact with the folk that did not go down for the launch, my hand held photos of the launch were all taken from at least 200 metres away on the edge of my gazebo - hence the poorer quality to the 'action' lifeboat shots. Finally, there was a mishap when the retaining 'Y' strop was released by the SeaCatch button on the upper steering position it flung forward, but went to the right [starboard] and impacted on the spray rail, causing damage!
C.C.





Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 07, 2019, 11:14:50 PM
.......the final photos..............

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 07, 2019, 11:18:35 PM
Ugh.............the curse of the 'portrait' photos has re-occurred. If Martin or another Moderator can put them the right way up, that would help. They did start out in the correct orientation........am I doing something wrong?
Thanks,
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on August 13, 2019, 06:44:15 PM
Hi Kim
The left and right angles here are not the same? I thought they ought to be? Have I missed something. I noticed as I'm now cutting away at the cabin to accommodate
(https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=54069.0;attach=176373;image)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 14, 2019, 01:07:47 AM
Ugh.............the curse of the 'portrait' photos has re-occurred. If Martin or another Moderator can put them the right way up, that would help. They did start out in the correct orientation........am I doing something wrong?
Thanks,
C.C.

No.... it's just the way some camera / phones  work Kim.   {:-{

Fixed!   :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 14, 2019, 03:09:08 AM
Martin - many thanks for doing this and for giving the reason why.


Andy - you are right, now I am looking at it. I've had a look at mine and I will alter the Port side[size=78%], [/size][/size]by bringing the outer edge to mirror the Starboard side and then alter the sloping inner slope to run parallel. Seeing as yours is resin this should be easier, whilst mine is styrene. I hope that will do.  Or maybe the other way around, depending on the top edge of the wheelhouse, I'll have to have another look. Either way, both sides need to be the same........as on the plans![size=78%]

Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Charlie on August 14, 2019, 06:40:57 AM
Hi Kim,
Looks like you had a good day at Dungeness. On the same day, Selsey had their open day, so I went along to see their Shannon 13-20. I have uploaded a launch video, plus several others.


https://youtu.be/q58AFTE9mzI (https://youtu.be/q58AFTE9mzI)


Charlie

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 09:27:40 AM
Thanks for confirming Kim
I already last night cut the port side edges off and glued some resin offcuts to the outer edge which has pretty much fixed it  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 14, 2019, 09:43:16 AM
Charlie - what a superb video of the launch.........I'll forgive you for not being at Dungeness, you were missed! You got yourself a good position, That will be enjoyed by many visitors here, thanks. It also shows nicely the difference in the main aerial lengths, the Port side being somewhat shorter, its on the plans, but gets missed by quite few folk.


Andy - sorry about that, at least I will now correct mine before it's too late, thanks. I will look forward to seeing your 'stages' of correction on your thread later. This will help all the other builders, so thanks for pointing this out. :-))


Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 09:56:21 AM
A little bit to do but not a hard job. A bit of left over Speedline in on the act  {-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-R9LsTjX/0/02cdd3bd/X3/4B8BE6EB-0284-4FF2-8DAC-7D1EC71DA151-X3.jpg)


The side wall I think is going to be short ? my cabin rear corners are 140mm off the deck. I'll see later today


Meanwhile
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zpxnD2J/0/2f81d525/X3/26652253-9DA2-4F01-B7DE-992E44C9EDF6-X3.png)



Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 14, 2019, 11:14:38 AM
Andy,
I have to say that that is a very smart water-jet set-up assembly and inlet grille. It will be worthy of a 6"x6" mirror underneath, if and when on display at a Show, just to 'show it off' - I know I would!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
OceanWorks I think have made a real effort to fill a hole in the market. Good luck to them and hopefully they will trial successfully
I will be focusing on nothing else once they arrive
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on August 18, 2019, 11:37:36 AM
We spent a beautiful holiday in Kent and attended the Open Day at the Dungeness lifeboat station two weeks ago. It is the biggest reward of this forum that we became friends with Kim which makes a holiday unique. We share not only the modelling hobby but other interests as well. Long may it continue!!

I post some photos of the launch as Kim had to stay at his gazebo and could only take photos from far. I was standing at the portside and therefore did not witness the strap hitting the bow (see #781 of this thread). I only heard the bang! Modellers who wish to build a working hatch will have to make an axe and a hammer ok2

You can see the shingle spray when the boat returns to the beach. It is most impressive to see when the boat hits the ground as they return at a high speed. The crew have to pick quite a lot of pebbles from the grilles of the water-jet inlets before bringing the boat back into the lifeboat station.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on August 18, 2019, 11:39:38 AM
....and the second batch of photos....
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 18, 2019, 12:17:10 PM
Thanks Arno for these. The last shot of the first batch showing the 'reverse buckets using full power' takes me back to Andy G's model at Headcorn, the first time he used it [that's when I thought - 'the set-up on Kehrers works and anything better will be a bonus'].......shown here on the thread, somewhere........your real life photo, though, is just great.  :-))
Cheers my good friend......missing you all greatly.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 18, 2019, 03:40:56 PM
The 'klein jagdhund' was pleased to see the family return home safely from Kent to the Siegen area!  :-)
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 28, 2019, 05:06:21 PM
Recently Mr Plastic [Fantastic], down there in Burgundy, sent me some more photos of his seats, monitors and interior wheelhouse floor-pan tray. Arno and I have already got the seat and backrest swabs, along with the arm-rests and 'gimballs'. We are happy to build the rest ourselves, in much the same way as Chris has done here. And elsewhere we have also found the scale seat-belts, via our model 1/12th scale racing car interests. However, there are those that might want some of the kits / pieces that Chris is offering. He has advertised them elsewhere and says that quite a few folk have ordered them. In recent weeks I have dealt with over thirty requests for measurements, details, DVDs of Shannon photos, all of this takes time, but at least I know they are being built - out there somewhere!
Here are the prices and details offered by Chris and straight from his email. You might need to PM him if your order is smaller, to get the actual postage for your 'wants'. Please deal with him direct. He is Mr Plastic here on Model Boat Mayhem.


'Interior Kit' costs as follows:

Seats = 5 each
Base  = 2 each
Monitors  = 8 for 3
Interior tray  = 100
p&p from Burgundy in France is 25 [as the parcel weighs in at 1.9kgs]
Total for a full kit is 175 / Euros 187

A commissioned fully built interior is 290 / Euros 300 which includes the p&p [but the harnesses are extra].


I just want to say that I am not related to Chris, or in partnership with him. In fact Arno and I bought our resin cast seat items at the going rate!! That's Brexit for you, from both sides of the Channel!!


I hope this might be of use to some of those following this 'thread' and the build of their Shannons.


I am hoping to be back building this Friday.......it's not been the last nine months that I [or Mrs. B] would have wished for.............................


Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Big Ada on August 28, 2019, 06:01:52 PM
Just bringing " Saving lives at sea " is back on again ( New series ).

Len.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on August 28, 2019, 06:03:11 PM
Just bringing " Saving lives at sea " is back on again ( New series ).

Len.
Watched last night really good  :-)) 
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 31, 2019, 11:45:07 AM
Good to see Len [Big Ada] and his large tanker at Mote Park recently and included him in my Model Boats article reviewing that and the Cygnets MBCs 60th Anniversary. Now the reason I mention that is because Len knows that I am a self-confessed rivet counter and a founder member of their Society!
Yesterday I got back into the workshop for a while and decided I would start to tidy up one or two areas that I have already started on the Shannon. Now, the Shannon for me is three BIG 'Ws' - Water-jets, windows and weld joints! And these are the three areas I want to 'major' on as the build progresses. To further this I have not only the 2,500+ photos of the Class, but some 30+ pages of my own notes and measurements from the days and weeks I have spent on the boats that appear at Dungeness [courtesy of the long suffering crew and mainly engineer Trevor!]. I also have a notated plan / schedule of all the ways that I aim to use in achieving these aims - noticing that others are also going in the same direction on their builds.
So, before going any further, look at the first two photos below and see if you can spot the differences! I did not!! I used the first photo and cut my weld 'lines', mixed some J.B. Weld [metal type epoxy resin glue] and positioned. Not as easy as I had hoped for, but some one hour later got as far as the stage in photos three and four. It was then time to do 'some household chores'.
There is a God! This morning I was about to finish the last three small weld lines, when...................the photo I was using [photo 4] showed a different number of weld lines! Photo 1 is from 13-04 [RNLB Storm Rider] and photo 2 is from 13-02 [RNLB The Morrell]. I was basing my work on the wrong photo  {-) . So I will take off the middle one on the gate upright and add either that or another piece in between the two already in position on the curved rail. One of my very good friends, Dick, when he reads this will say 'get a life Kim!'. It's all in days work as a R.C.!
Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: kinmel on August 31, 2019, 01:03:57 PM
that definitely counts as rivet counting O0
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on August 31, 2019, 01:05:07 PM
that definitely counts as rivet counting O0
What about the number of ripples in a weld run  %%
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 31, 2019, 03:05:50 PM
You're both right........but my 1/12th welder said he could not drop his standard to that of the actual boat fabricator!!
However...............when I came to make the amendment, I then noticed that on 13-02 the complete set of welds go in a clockwise direction, so I had to take off the other two 'welds' on the radius part of the frame and re-position so they follow in the correct direction......as now per the attached photo. I have just watched Manchester United play Southampton............great game, and now the Wales v Ireland rugby, followed by the Belgium GP Qualifying for tomorrow. After that I will clean these weld joints up, using Isopropyl alcohol [a tip picked up from my colleagues at the Faversham Military Modelling Group], who use this technique when cleaning up the minute pieces of etched brass on their models........which make my models look like I have only just started on this hobby!! Wonderful.
Tomorrow I will make something slightly different and needed to be done down both sides..................
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: lifeboat-Lee on August 31, 2019, 05:42:08 PM
Hi Mr kim,
 Well done in recreating the weld detail,
 However I think this time round the welds look a little over scale.😱
 I was counting the ripples and wonder did you check this too 😂😂😂
 You know that Im a welder- Tig  by trade so its all in the finish product.
 Only teasing you buddy keep up the great work and have enjoyed reading
 the progress  of yours and others on this thread.👍👍


 Lee
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 31, 2019, 06:13:34 PM
Hi Lee,
It's good to hear from you - this time next week we shall be at the Southern Model Show at Headcorn Aerodrome.....are you and the other two reprobates hoping to be there? That should prompt a response from Del Boy!!
Have you progressed with 13-03 yet? I heard that the Severn went to another 'slipway' here in Kent!
Regarding the St. Albans MES Show, will you have anything new? I have liaised with Jeff and he says we are 'graced' with your company for both days again. I might not bring quite so much, so do feel free to bring something new.
Give my regards to the 'Budget Co-ordinator'.......any new trucks recently?
Cheers,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: lifeboat-Lee on September 01, 2019, 10:05:58 AM
Hi Kim, yes looking forward to Headcorn show and the reprobates will be in attendance 😂
No more work done on 13-03 as yet, too much work on so getting enough time to build as yet  <*<
 
The Severn is on its way to Kent  so our friend will be happy when he gets it👍
Del will reply Im sure on this thread 😂
I may take Eiswette for a change to show off the work done since you last saw her.


See you next weekend


Lee



Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on September 02, 2019, 08:10:45 AM
Hi Kim and Lee
Yes I am watching still.. and looking forward to Headcorn.Lee I agree the welds are 0.0001mm to wide  {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-21 on September 03, 2019, 12:04:21 PM
See you all there then, looks like I will have my 2nd Severn build on the water before you Kim :} :} :} :} :}




Phil.
Retired from Chertsey :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 03, 2019, 04:10:42 PM
Well, there's a surprise!! Look forward to seeing you Phil.
Just spent most of the afternoon pencilling the Argentinian dialect Spanish pronunciation into a score for tonight's Choral rehearsal and then refreshing myself with the Russian pronunciations for the Rachmaninov Midnight vespers. The things we do 'for fun' and to think I pay for this pleasure. Mrs. B. says I cannot even speak English properly!!!!!!!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on September 08, 2019, 01:52:19 PM
I have built the four bollards using the parts that come with the semi-kit from Models by Design. I replaced the 5 mm diameter tube and used 6 mm one as this is more to scale. The countersunk screws are stainless steel ones from Knupfer. I sanded the top plates down to a thickness of 1.3 mm.
For the first time I tried the technique I was told by 17-09 (I am sure you will read this, so a huge thanks to you!) to make some weld lines. I applied PVA glue and when it started to cure, shaped it using a tooth pick.

The thin base plate is made from 0.5 mm plasticard and will be glued to the deck.

I hope to find the time to paint the bollards next week, using Alclad semi matte aluminium.
Make sure that the slots of all the screws are in line as they are on the Dungeness boat ;)
Arno



Martin, please turn the pictures, when I posted them, they were not upside down, thanks!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 13, 2019, 04:13:43 PM
Well, great to have Arno add his latest Shannon detail, in a very busy lifestyle...........
Meanwhile Chris is coming to the end of his fifth [!!!] MbD Shannon build [another commission heading from Burgundy to Kent], here shown alongside his own version of 13-04. I am soon to collect another MbD Shannon and bring this back for Chris at the Warwick Show......likewise another commission build.
So, we have the 'worker', the 'semi-retired' and the retired [me]........who is building slowest? Yep, me. I might find time to Post my latest 'box' build tonight or tomorrow........but don't hold your breath........I am busy writing up the Model Boats article from last week at Headcorn - Southern Model Show, having edited some 1,000+ photos [mainly off the motor-drive sequences].
Cheers,
Canterbury Coxswain[/me]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: dpbarry on September 13, 2019, 04:30:06 PM
In Fairness Kim, We had a few former lifeboat crew that when they called it a day, always said they wondered how they had any time to do 'lifeboat work' they were that busy. In fact, one joked that he wanted to come back.. to get a rest {-)

Declan
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 14, 2019, 12:12:47 PM
Thanks Declan, the last fourteen years of retirement has been a bit like that........just can't fit it all in.......but I don't get bored!


So, last week I actuallt got back into the workshop and decided to make the wheelhouse 'nose' Port side life-raft container storage space. This immediately think of 'risk management' training I had delivered and the 'x' and 'y' axes [co-ordinates] on a basic risk grid - the 'likelyhood / probability' and 'impact' factors. The reason for this was that the wheelhouse was going to be fitted and taken off many, many times, the damage most likely to happen was to be on this little box, hitting the deck on re-fitting each time. Hence it had to be strong. The likelihood was high and the impact high also! Therefore:
I also considered:
I decided to go for the latter, as if it did decide to break this ought to be hidden on the external paintwork, where if it was projecting through there would be a crack appearing all around the aperture - QED.
This all took longer than I had envisaged, but was fun!


I shall later [next week or the week after - I have a busy week of engagements coming up]:
That's where I am at at the moment, but any of this could be made with either styrene or plywood, using similar methods.......you have the choice, just remember 'probability' and 'impact' to this part of your Project!


C.C.




PS - you might notice that on the fourth photo from the end there is a 'protusion' on the front corner edge - this required [gently.....] for the glass fibre and epoxy resin on the inside top edge of the 'nose' to be ground back, using the Dremmel, to accommodate the box correctly.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on September 15, 2019, 08:08:20 PM
I did the paint job on the bollards today using Alclad semi matt Aluminium. This paint comes quite close to the original and I am happy with the result. I used a primer from Zero paints (Belcher grey!) first, followed by Alclad black gloss and finally some very thin aluminium layers.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 15, 2019, 08:17:16 PM
Arno,
They look great - nice finish all round.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: dpbarry on September 16, 2019, 09:27:23 AM
Hi C.C.


How do you find working with the UV Glue? Is it as good as they say??


Declan


p.s How do you like to be referred to. Kim or CC?? Think I've used both here  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 16, 2019, 11:14:53 AM
Hi Declan,
I tend to use my first name, and other folks' too, when dealing with either one or a number of individual queries or points raised - this keeps it personal within the Forum arena, but C.C. when I am just covering general points of the build.


As for the U.V. glue. Mine is Bondic [and I am not a chemist], but there are similar products 'out there too', claiming the same results [The Range do one at a quarter of the cost]. So I can only speak on my version. In most cases it has made a very strong and instant [4 seconds] bond. However, I did knock one recent usage - a stainless steel 3mm tube into an aluminium hole in a stand I had machined and the two parted company. I have since 'roughed' both very small surfaces again and cleaned them with an alcohol wipe [to remove any grease] and so far all is OK. One has to remember though, that:
Not sure if this helps. But it is always good to try out new glues and items and see if they stand up to the 'rigours' we expect of them, prior to fully using them on our 'sacred models'!


Lastly, sorry to those that read my narrative to building the 'box'. When I re-read it yesterday I found it was full of typos!! I had hurriedly done this, just before I dashed off to my afternoon meeting of the military modelling group I attend monthly........oops!


Kim

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: dpbarry on September 16, 2019, 04:16:46 PM
Cheers Kim.


Seems to be so many glues out there now. I suppose it basically whichever works for you in what your are doing.


Regards


Declan
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on September 24, 2019, 07:25:54 PM
I did make use of my lathe and milling machine in order to build the cleats. The base plate is made from 1.5 mm aluminium, the posts and bars from 3.0 mm aluminium rod. I used my milling machine to make the rounded shape at the top of the posts. The welding lines will be made by applying PVA glue as I did with the bollards. The cleats will be finished using Alclad polished aluminium paint.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on September 25, 2019, 09:21:51 AM
Hi Arno,
Nice tidy work as always, good to see you are putting your machinery investments to good use.
If you polish up aluminium it gives a good representation of stainless steel, I use it all over to make small fittings.
We have over here a company called "Boots", they make cosmetics and all sorts of medical supplies, in their range for nail care they have a four way block of abrasive which gradually reduces from fine to very fine, I use this to polish up the aluminium to replicate the stainless steel, the block also keeps a nice flat surface with no rounding off of corners. I can send you some if you cannot find them in Germany.
Regards   17-09  Alan....
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on September 25, 2019, 08:08:49 PM
Hi Alan,
Thank you very much for your advice. I think this is the abrasive block you mean. Kim told me about "Boots" and during our visit in August I bought this in their Ramsgate shop. It works very well and I have already made some use of it as you can see. I first intended to polish the aluminium but then I would have to paint the welding lines which I want to reproduce and I fear to make a mess then. So I have decided to paint the complete fitting using Alclad polished aluminium. I have already used this paint on my car models and it comes quite close to stainless steel.
I am happy that I made the machinery investments. It was like plunging into a new world of experiences and I am still learning a lot but that is part of the fun I get from this hobby.
Regards
Arno
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on September 25, 2019, 09:12:17 PM
Sorry Arno but I don't think you've made enough  {-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on September 26, 2019, 08:34:22 PM
Eight pieces came out of the assembly line, Andy. Is that already mass production? {-) :} {-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on September 26, 2019, 10:01:19 PM
Then there is Kim myself and a other = 32  {-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on September 27, 2019, 07:03:36 AM
No way, Andy. My aim is to catch up with Kim within two years {-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on September 29, 2019, 11:35:19 AM
I have finished the cleats :-) The mounts are made from styrene and will be glued to the deck.  My new compressor (Iwata 975) works a treat. It is quite silent so that you can use it even on a Sunday, leaving the door of the workshop open without neigbours complaining ok2
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on September 29, 2019, 08:24:38 PM
Hi Arno,
 lovely job......say no more
     Alan
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Big Ada on September 30, 2019, 04:42:23 PM
Hi Arno,
 lovely job......say no more
     Alan

I see the Thighs getting rubbed!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on November 10, 2019, 06:40:53 PM
I have machined the bollards O0 The base plates were made from 3.0mm aluminium plates. They were cut out by a jigsaw first and then milled to 25 x 25 mm. The slots for the support plates were milled using a 1.5 mm endmill suitable for milling aluminium. The pillars were turned on my lathe exactly the same way as Kim showed us earlier in this thread.

You will recognize a false hole at the stern bollard plate which happened being tired when milling in the evening. As the plate was nearly finished by then I decided to use JB weld to close that and it worked very well. After the paintwork you will not see that mistake anymore.

I tried to imitate the weld lines by using PVA glue. I had to do that twice as the glue shrinks considerably when curing. I hope it will look realistic after painting. I will try to use etch primer and Zero paints (similar to Tamiya Nato black) finished by a satin lacquer. Some trials on scratch pieces will be made first.

The bollards will be fixed by a screw to the deck, similar to what Kim showed earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 10, 2019, 08:35:18 PM
Arno, my very good friend,
You have made an old, grey haired Englishman very happy looking at these. They really are a tribute to you and your continued build. I hope they, too, encourage a few other folk to have a go at this type of work with aluminium and brass on the lathe and milling machine. I do not have that much experience in these matters, but you have had less AND YET have 'turned out' [excuse the pun, bro'] such superb examples!
I have just got back from the International Model Boat Show at 'Warwick' and am with Rob and John in Netherton at this moment [where the Titanic anchors and chains were made] and will soon be going to The Swan to enjoy some of their ales from their micro-brewery.......as they say in England - 'wish you were here!
I will try and post a few photos here tomorrow....we on the LBES stand came 3rd........Worcester MBC came first, follow by Wickstead Park MBC in 2nd.
Have a good week.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on November 17, 2019, 08:35:00 PM
At the weekend I made the vent and started the anchor housing.
The mesh is made from aluminium which I bought from a company who sell materials for architects. It can be cut by using scissors. I used car filler to replicate the front area as it is on the real thing. The pins were made from 2 mm styrene rod which I brought into shape using my Proxxon disk sander. The wire is 0.3 mm thick. I have ordered some plastic dummy nuts and bolts made by a Russian company (17-09 uses them on his magnificent Severn build, thank you Alan, I am sure you will read this!). These will be glued onto the cover to finish this part.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on November 18, 2019, 09:32:36 AM
Very, Very nice Arno, great work
Alan......
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 18, 2019, 10:21:51 AM
Arno,
Nice scratch building on these pieces of 'deck and wheelhouse furniture'. Superb detail and an inspiration to other Shannon builders, of whom I met quite a few at the IMBS at 'Warwick'. Your approach and methods explained is most helpful.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on November 18, 2019, 04:48:48 PM
Voil!
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 18, 2019, 05:08:44 PM
Guten Arben Arno,
You are really keeping the Shannon build 'alive' - thanks. I hope to be back building in a couple of weeks, once my Company accounts are in with my accountant, something you will understand!
I have made a few small items, but need to edit the photos and put them into a Post.
Likewise I have purchased some new parts and materials, so might photograph them soon and put them here too!
There will be a PM coming your way tonight, to answer 'yours' of yesterday. Thanks for the 'heads up' on the IMBS 'Warwick' antics from Steve Dean and also the pool commentary!
Well, keep up the very good work on your Shannon and it will soon be April and the Intermodellbau in Dortmund!! ;)
Ciao,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 24, 2019, 06:03:38 PM
It's not believable that the Warwick IMBS Show was a fortnight ago! Here are a few photos of our LBES stand, which got awarded 3rd place of all the Clubs, voted on by the other Clubs.
Starting from 'my corner end', the Shannon is by Chris Scott with his interior set displayed. The photos are mine and likewise the actual lifeboat items of 'shrunk' wellies, a 'D' Class ILB floor mounted Sestrel compass, helmet [out of date and damage repaired and refurbished with the help of Gecko and presented to me by a RNLI station in the South East], a section of rope [that had been damaged] off the Trent Class 14-02 'RNLB Esme Anderson' at Ramsgate, my model of a RNLI Training Lifeguard jet-ski based at Poole, then the two stanchions I bought from a friend who acquired them from the Arun class lifeboat 'RNLB Edith Emile' 52-14.
The Royal Air Force Rescue Sea King helicopter is totally scratch built by Rob Smith, as is the large 1/12th Severn Class 'RNLB Richard Cox Scott' the Falmouth lifeboat 17-29. The Arun Class is built by John Owen - being the predecessor to 17-29 at Falmouth - 52-11 'RNLB Elizabeth Ann'. The Trent Class 'RNLB Esme Anderson' is 14-02 based at Ramsgate and a purchased second owner model, completely refurbished by Jeff Carter. The new beautifully modelled 1/10th scale Atlantic '75 was by Alan Turner and was acquired at the Show by a new owner! Many of the 'gap fillers' around the stand are from the collection of John Sanders, the legendary lifeboat authority, model builder and commentator.
I hope this gives an indication of what is what and by whom. We are always looking for new members and exhibitors!!
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on November 24, 2019, 06:08:00 PM
Superb! kim


also fantastic work Arno  8)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on November 24, 2019, 06:50:20 PM
Memories
17-09
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 24, 2019, 07:00:19 PM
Alan,
2020 will be back to reality.........there should be another 1/12th Severn on the stand!!!!!!!! I've booked your B&B [separate email to follow later tonight] and you'll need a pantechnicon for transport though! Also a glass case to keep 'little fingers' off it.
Secondly, Jeff did a great job on the commentary, so that's Saturday taken care of, with you on the Sunday that will give me a free weekend and a chance to get to the loo occasionally!! Or even frequently at this stage of life............................ :embarrassed:
Cheers,
Kim
 



Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 25, 2019, 12:50:54 AM
Sorry forgot the LBES Team photo.......I'll have to go!!
Right to left - Rob [Severn + Sea King Heli], John [Arun and Atlantic 25] and also the organiser and 'fixer' [with Rob] of our stand, Dave [Tamar which I forgot to mention!], Jeff [Trent], Mary - wife of Alan and 'keeper of the purse', Alan T. [Atlantic '75], Adam [another Tamar exhibitor on the water] and 'yours truly'.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on November 25, 2019, 07:38:11 PM
I found some kitchen items very useful for my Shannon build. I was looking for a metal mesh for the vent but found only round shaped ones in our kitchen. My daughters had the right idea: that well known Swedish furniture shop sells kitchen items as well. So we made a visit together and found this cheap flour sifter! A big thanks to my lovely girls!

I cut the mesh with my Dremel cutting disc.
The brass strips are 0.3 mm thick. I filed slots into the sides so that they would accept the ends. The bolts are the Russian ones I have mentioned earlier in this thread. The same brand went on the hatch of the starboard bow vent.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on November 25, 2019, 07:40:28 PM
The finished vent:
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on November 25, 2019, 07:47:58 PM
Another kitchen item went into the vent at the portside: filter mat! The mesh is made from plastic which is used for protecting goods when being transported. I used my milling machine to mill the slots at the back which accept the mesh. The brass bits were made from 0.3mm brass sheet. You will recognize those Russian bolts again... I am still waiting for some slotted screws for the frame which I have ordered. (The angle of the part on the left side should be the other way round, but I only laid it this way for the photo, gravity preventing the correct way ok2 )
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: mk1 on November 26, 2019, 12:05:29 AM
Great detail gives us all a bench mark to get to. Keep it up
John
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 26, 2019, 03:12:44 AM
Arno, some more great bits built.......at this rate, between yourself and Andy W., I will not have to think how to make many parts, just toss a coin and choose the method, either 'heads' or 'tails'!! Keep up the good work and thank the good ladies of the Schnell family too.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on November 26, 2019, 01:32:38 PM
Superb! now I'm waiting to see how you do fuel filler caps  O0
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on November 26, 2019, 07:46:21 PM
Thank you so much for your nice comments!


As for the fuel filler caps, Andy, no kitchen items available this time. I think I will do some lathework instead. Are they identical on both sides, starboard and portside?
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on November 26, 2019, 08:45:36 PM
Yes four fill caps but I've not begun to figure how yet. So if you could knock 12 up  {-)


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Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: reynard555 on November 27, 2019, 08:39:30 AM
Hi Did you make the stanchon bases. Regards Roger.

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Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on November 27, 2019, 09:02:10 AM
In my blog Roger
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Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: reynard555 on November 27, 2019, 02:02:26 PM
Hi Thank you ,most helpfull  :-) .Regards Roger
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on December 03, 2019, 04:30:45 PM
I received my slotted screws and completed the small vent.
The VHF aerial was built from styrene scrap. When building it I did not really know what this thing was for. Thank you Kim for explaining that it is an aerial used in an emergency should the main aerials be broken.
On the last photos you will see some 4 mm carbon tubes which I filled with styrene rod using car body filler and sanding to get the slope. The mechanism was built from styrene, using a file to get the slot in and brass rod (0.5 mm for the shaft and 0.9 mm for the cross bar handle). The base plates are made from 0.5 mm styrene.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on December 16, 2019, 07:21:56 PM
First I intended to use smd led's of 1 mm length for the deck lights but then Kim suggested to try some fibre optics. I had not used them before but decided to give that a try after Kim had shown me how the light travels even through relatively narrow curves when the fibre optics are bent. I compared both ways of lighting and found the fibre optics much better. Thanks Kim for pointing me into the right direction once more!
I drilled a hole through the shaft of the aluminium rivets and then drilled another at an angle using my milling machine and the adjustable vice. The holes have a diameter of 1.2 mm so that the fibre optics of 0.75 mm slot in easily and can be bent down a bit so that the light points downwards. The hole was closed using car filler. Then I applied Mr. Metal Primer and Revell satin black by brush. I am very happy with the result O0
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 16, 2019, 11:20:25 PM
Arno, great........at least I know my idea works!!

After an awful last twelve months - in many ways - I did at last get back into the workshop this afternoon and made a start on the 'gob-eye' fairlead on the stern deck. I will now edit the few photos and make a Post later.

I must say, during those twelve months - when other more pressing matters have eaten up all my spare time - watching and talking with Arno on a very regular basis has kept me both sane and also inspired. That is why I invited him to join me here, as we are not only very good friends, but building the very same Shannon based at Dungeness. That way, anyone following this 'thread' will get at least two approaches on the build as a minimum. Then I am pleased for the few that have also posted their boats' progress - as they say 'there is more than one way to skin a cat'. I hope this has not been too hard to grasp for anyone.

Then on that other superb 'thread' here on MBM [I do not do Facebook!!] there is the wonderful build of the same MbD Shannon by Andy W. [Taranis]. That has really inspired and given me a few ideas to copy also, especially his approach to the hinges for the upper steering position gate! Now why did I not think of that when I made mine. They will be re-made!! Who said that scratch building was going out of fashion and almost dead - bah humbug!!

Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on December 16, 2019, 11:32:57 PM
Thank you kindly Kim. This model just keeps on giving and it's great seeing the numerous ways to achieve a similar result.
I hope you have a much better year of 2020
There are a number of tricky items now put behind me but a fair few I have not yet formed a plan of attack for. One in particular is the Radar motor housing and another the camera. For now I'll progress the mast as far as I can until I hit a wall. I'm doing the nav light boxes as I type
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 17, 2019, 12:12:43 AM
Well, here it is - the start of the stern 'gob-eye' fairlead.


On the actual boat this is 73mm diameter in the lower thick section = 6mm on the [1/12th] model, which allows for the paint to be added later [I jest not!]. So I have used a very good quality brass tube [given to me by Andy G. when I was staying with him back in September] which has 1mm walls [slightly thicker than normal tubing]. Then my process has been as follows:
The result is almost OK to the plan. I will await and see what the starboard side piece comes out like, using the same process and at this point decided whether to proceed with these two pieces. If I do, then I will:
This will hopefully get done across the next three days or so..............................


Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on December 17, 2019, 10:35:43 AM
Great to see you back in the workshop K.
17-09


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 19, 2019, 12:02:23 AM
The photos here will show the progress - as described above - for the Starboard side. The first attempt did not go well......even with the sand tightly compacted into the tube, it bent! So the second attempt went better and this was then joined, using a 10mm length of 4mm rod, and soft soldered. The end product was almost to the plans - but not quite - however, there were 'dings' from being in the vice and the tubed being annealed [softened] which I used my Proxxon handheld finger-belt sander to minimise and then finished off by hand. This is nearly done, as can be seen. My next job will be to either make the 'feet' or deck plates for this piece to sit on the deck or the two bevelled 'reducers' for the handrail to be attached to. Either way these will all be done across the next few days, as and when time allows.
I have also shown my new vermiculite block - 300mmx400mmx25mm - and sent through the post! This was supplied by FirePlug Fire and Accoustics from Amazon. It was just over 30 including P&P.

C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on December 19, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
Sorry for disturbing you in the workshop, Kim ok2 {-)

I was not really happy with the screws shown in #851 of this thread as their heads were too big. I have made a new frame and put in those tiny ones from Knupfer. They are not counter sunk but will look to scale in their 1.4 mm holes. They are made from stainless steel and are the smallest I could find.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-09 on December 19, 2019, 08:59:23 PM
Hi Arno,
 The screws looked OK to me on the first frame, the second one, again looking good, they do look just a tad smaller?
Beautiful work on all your fittings, well done, pity they need to be painted!
Thanks for everything, Merry Christmas .
Alan......

Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 20, 2019, 01:06:30 AM
Arno,
As I said in the email just sent - I am so pleased that you saw the big difference and made the change for yourself. This looks so much better and a lot more to the scale required. This is a lifeboat with finesse and not a large and beamy affair!
You will also notice that I have had my 'rivet counter' hat on today, on noticing your correction, and the screws are actually just set 'off centre', more towards the outside edge. It's incredible how many little things like this get noticed when you look at someone else's build; Andy W's build has drawn my attention to little areas that have made me go away and look more closely at the way things are made or work............wonderful!
Keep up the good work - did not get into the workshop yesterday or I doubt today......other matters have overtaken the time allocation! So hopefully the gob-eye will get more attention at the weekend.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 22, 2019, 12:42:09 AM
In the long distant past I used to do some art [pictures] and would go to bed, well pleased with my efforts. Then in the morning I would look at the portrait and think 'why is she [or he] 'gotch eyed' or 'why is the parallax on that building out' or even 'how could I have got the vanishing point in the perspective so wrong!'. Well, the same happened today [Saturday]. I looked at the basic bottom section of the 'gob-eye' covered above and thought 'where have all those 'dings' and 'flats' come from, I thought I corrected those yesterday!'. So just over two hours was spent on further refining this piece - it was quite therapeutic and also rewarding. The little diamond grit flat files [red and yellow in the first shot] I came across and had forgotten them. These were ideal for getting the curved surfaces back as they broached the raised humps and got the shape down to the same level. Then I:
[/color][red and yellow in the first shot]
I hope that all makes sense. You might just be able to spot the rogue centre punch marks filled in!


The other thing that happened today was a large parcel arrived from Arno [swiftdoc], which contained the latest batch of laser cut lettering on the gate inserts. Four of these are 'spoken for', so will be got off in the next couple of days, that leaving just four more..........if you are building a Shannon and want one you had better PM me quickly regarding the versions I have left, there might not be anymore made and those that are out there are a very select thirteen [that is with the laser cut lettering on too]. Arno also sent me some mesh goodies [many thanks and much appreciated] and what also looks like some Christmas pressies too!! Those will have to wait a few more days.......................................

C.C.[/color]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 22, 2019, 12:58:01 AM
Apologies for the 'typos' above, I 'modified' part of my text and it replicated it all over the main text. I then went back and corrected it several times, but it would not alter and correct as required - heyho, maybe I pressed a button somewhere, but I hope you can just ignore the bits in brackets throughout!
Thanks,
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: coch y bonddu on December 22, 2019, 07:17:38 AM
nice to see your build on here cracking workmanship as usual




Dave



Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 27, 2019, 12:09:28 AM
Got into the workshop for awhile again this afternoon and did some silver soldering on the cradles and deck 'feet' [plates] for the stern gob-eye fairlead.


But, before that, just a few words on the production of this item and similar fixtures and fitting in the near future. They do not have to be in brass and silver and soft soldered - those are my preferred methods over many years. I have seen these same fixtures for the Shannon and other lifeboats made of aluminium, styrene and in some circumstances even wood. Use what is best and works for you. Once it is painted you will normally not see the difference! I like brass, ali and stainless steel because I normally enjoy exhibiting 'in build' as it gets more interaction with the visitors and allows the build techniques to be shown. It is slightly stronger and will take the strain when we get a little 'heavy handed' whilst loading and unloading at shows.


Now, back to today. I ........
Tomorrow I hope to get the two 4mm pieces of studding made to hold the unit to the deck and then soft solder the 'gob-eye' onto its cradles. The 'tinning' of the parts has just been done, but time ran out to complete.


Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 27, 2019, 12:15:09 AM
............last couple of photos.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: SteamboatPhil on December 27, 2019, 01:03:56 PM
Nice metal working Kim  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 27, 2019, 06:39:56 PM
Thanks Phil,

Coming from you, I take that as a great encouragement as we move into yet another 'modelling year'. I do find it quite therapeutic .......when it goes right! But as they say, practice makes perfect and I would encourage anyone who has not tried soldering to have a go for themselves. Just read it up, ask some questions and putting safety to the very front of your mind - have a go.
There are three main rules:
So there you have it. Thanks Phil for your encouragement and may you have a 'very straight running' New Year!! Hope to see you at Alli Palli in January.
Kim O0
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 02, 2020, 01:24:39 AM
If you are reading this 'thread' for the first time - 'welcome' - and a Prosperous and rewarding modelling New Year to all those that are regular readers.

So, prophetic or what......'practice makes perfect' I said above! I'll let the photos do the talking, but the sequence was:
I wanted to put the upper steering position back together, temporarily and in doing so noticed the Port side aerial needed tightening on its pivot - needed a 2mm spanner! Found these from Knupfer, which I had purchased some six years ago at Dortmund......I knew they would come in handy one day!


It's been so nice being back in the workshop, even though it does need a bit of a tidy up! Maybe the build momentum will gather pace now!


Canterbury Coxswain

 

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Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 02, 2020, 01:26:50 AM
.......last few.


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: derekwarner on January 02, 2020, 02:15:08 AM
Hey Kim.....if you need a hand with KNUPFER M2's ....just give us a yell & I'll get my little Mate on a flight for you  {-) ......Derek
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 04, 2020, 12:10:04 AM
Not a pretty sight!! I got into the workshop for a short while this afternoon and decided to make and then solder on the two small supporting 'fins' on the gob-eye fairlead. I used plenty of solder at this stage, hoping it would make a good bond and not have to be done twice! Then other 'duties' had to be attended to, so there the unit sat in its 'warts and all' stage.
At midnight, and being committed to family matters tomorrow, I decided to go back into the workshop and remove the residue of solder. It was then that I noticed how loud the Proxxon finger pen sander is!! Even though I am in a detached premises I thought the new neighbour [no longer a student let premises] might not be too impressed with the sound of an enraged dentist next door! I can hear his Kango hammer, as he has demolished the interior, and gone about a complete refurbishment of his property, so thought prudence might pay off in the long run....................
However, thought some of you might just appreciate what things look like, before being tidied up........maybe it will encourage some newcomers that their 'offerings' are not as bad as they thought!
As I say to the 'Doc' sometimes..................'gently, gently catchy monkey!'.


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: BrianB6 on January 04, 2020, 12:36:28 AM
Sorry CC
My father taught me that the less solder on the outside of the joint the better.  Think of how much solder you need then halve it.
Clean both sides of the joint and 'tin' them.   Sometimes that's all that's needed or just a touch of solder and let it flow into the joint.   Very little cleaning up needed.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 04, 2020, 01:40:04 AM
Thanks Brian,
Been at this for many years, but agree with your father for most joints. Here I needed to get the heat up [having already tinned exactly as stated] and then not undo the soft solder joints in the cradles - remembering that the bottom joints were silver soldered, so could take the heat. This way the solder has - just - flowed and then I have moved down with 'touched' amounts added to complete these thin 'fins' with so much metal to dissipate the local heat applied. Once cleaned it will have achieved what I set out to do. Hopefully it will add to the various techniques I used to teach on my courses.
Appreciate the input and would agree that in most cases - least is best.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 06, 2020, 12:53:27 AM
Today, 'fins' cleaned, then:
Next will be the hex headed bolts and washers for the footplates and then turning the two reduction cones to take the start of the stern handrails.


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Macsmouldings on January 06, 2020, 05:36:59 PM
Hi Kim,  very nice fella :-))

keep up the good work, look forward to catching up soon.

regards,

Martin.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 09, 2020, 04:36:27 PM
Thanks Martin - good to hear from you.
It's that very busy time with concerts at the moment and six rehearsals in the next two weeks, with professional vocal training for me [on Mondays] and also learning the 112 pages of Russian text [phonetically] which we sing across the one and a half hours at the Cathedral - Sergie Rachmaninoff's Vespers or 'All Night Vigil'. All unaccompanied.....wonderful stuff!
However, every now and then I get out into the workshop and do a [very] little bit of brass work to keep me sane! I have some more to Post on this thread, hopefully in the next couple of days. Send me an email when you have a moment and I'll venture your way for an hour's chat.
Did you see the subliminal Macs Mouldings compliment slip in th background to a few photos here recently? I try my best!
Are you going to Ally Pally? I hope to go with 17-09 on Friday 17th.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: SteamboatPhil on January 10, 2020, 03:23:53 PM
Come and find me on Friday Kim, I have a French model boat magazine supplement for you about their lifeboats  :-))
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 10, 2020, 03:44:30 PM
Great, will do Phil.
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 14, 2020, 03:58:04 PM
Recently, in snatched spare moments, I have:
Well, I hope that has made sense, especially if you are going down this road too, and like me have very little 'engineering skills'.


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 14, 2020, 04:02:42 PM
........balance of photos.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: dpbarry on January 14, 2020, 04:39:19 PM
For someone with very little 'engineering skills' i'd say that is impressive!!! :-) :-)

Declan
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 15, 2020, 01:16:32 AM
Thanks Declan, but I've never had to use a lathe or milling machine to earn my living, hence a few folk that I know that have, must look at my methods or end products and wince at the time I take or quality produced. But it's been a new skill learnt over the past few years [fifteen since I retired] and I'm enjoying it, learning all the time and when the primer goes on it won't notice!! Just so long as I remain safe in the use of these machines, they can be lethal.


So, to get to where I am at this very moment:
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on January 15, 2020, 07:43:46 AM
Hi KimNice parts and nice to see you back on the build .
Regards
Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 17, 2020, 11:59:16 PM
Well, I have just got back from a very eventful and enjoyable day at the London Model Engineering Show at the Alli Palli with 17-09 [Alan].
When we arrived we immediately came across Mr. Plastic Fantastic's [Chris's] James Bond stand with 17-21 and his grandson Michael accompanying him. Pleasantries were exchanged and then I was told to close my eyes and hold my hands out - as there were a lot of people around I did as requested. 17-21 then put into my hands a 'can' and I opened my eyes........and there was the most incredible surprise, a Citadel Games Workshop aerosol can of Lead Belcher [grey] undercoat paint!! I was actually speechless and therefore quiet for some few minutes. Phil said he had found it in a model shop in Weymouth whilst visiting recently and '.....just had to buy a can, whatever the price'. Everyone laughed, as if you go to #168 on my 'thread' here you will find the instigator of all of this little joke against me, when Martin [Clifton] of Macs Mouldings and Warwickshire Back Lane Mystery Tours Ltd., put this photo from our Dortmund trip on a can of Halford's Grey Primer [if you have ever seen any of my 1/12th model lifeboats........they are all in Grey Primer!!]. Hence the joke.
So thanks lads [Martin and Phil] see what you have done.......now can I claim any royalties from Citadel?????
I must admit, halfway through the day I thought it was a clever prank that I had fallen, hook line and sinker for, but when I got back home I checked the internet and found that it is actually an 'undercoat paint for plastic, metals and resin model pieces'.
Martin, you owe me big time Fella!!
Thanks all, it was good to see many other 'old faces' too - Steamboat Phil, Derek [Del Boy], John from SMWS, and Rob Briancourt from St. Albans MES.
I came home with most of the items on my shopping list and after a detour to Faversham for a curry at The Raj with Alan, who was my chauffer for the day - thanks for such a good trip and day to each of you.

Kim


 
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: 17-21 on January 20, 2020, 09:23:48 AM
Just had to be done Kim %%  must say I think its the first time I have known you be speechless  O0 O0


Lovely bit of brass work Mr B :-))


Speak soon.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 21, 2020, 04:09:00 PM
Thanks Phil.


Well, back in the workshop [on the East wing of the premises] to get away from my wife [who is in the West wing], whilst I practice my notes and Russian pronunciation for the Rachmaninoff's 'All Night Vigil' [Vespers] rehearsal tonight and the Concert this coming Saturday. So no modelling at the moment.
However, sitting here amongst six 1/12th scale lifeboats and two other scale lifeboats, I was reminded of the notice I bought at the London Model Engineering Show last Saturday and which is now displayed - on a background of 'belcher lead grey' - out here! I just hope the Almighty has read it!


Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Fred Ellis on January 22, 2020, 07:01:04 AM
It's good to see that, that poster is still doing the round's, I still have mine from way back in the 90's, that company used to give them out when you took out insurance with them.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 13, 2020, 12:13:37 AM
I actually got back into the workshop for a couple of hours this afternoon! It's been agonising and inspiring over recent weeks to see the progress of Andy W's superb Shannon build and also some progress photos from Arno [Swiftdoc], who I hope when he gets some spare moments will Post here too.


I decided, having got the gob-eye almost finished, that I would now progress with the stern deck and hand rails. However, I decided to spend my time in checking out that all was square and in line on the work done so far, as I had had feedback that the deck and hatches were out of kilter by up to 4mm. Almost correct, but mine were not that far from the required positions:-
So, what follows will show my approach to get the basics accurate to the nearest 1mm of deviation overall! Anything larger will get corrected - eventually.
This all went well and left me in good spirits that another small amount of progress had been made and hopefully in the next few days more will follow [ever the optimist!].


C.C.





Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 13, 2020, 12:18:16 AM
Oops - just noticed that Port hatch cover has been replaced the wrong way around - only press fitted, so no lasting problem!


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on February 13, 2020, 11:01:41 AM
Looking good Kim. I actually cut the whole hatch section out in one big rectangle and moved it over. To look now no one would ever know but it would stand out like a sore thumb had I not done this.


Might not seem much but if your railings are 100% symmetrical it shows.


I never posted this picture in my build blog.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-vVvgP7X/0/c0b357cb/X2/395CBFA6-8A7C-418D-BDCA-44A04B268D6B-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 13, 2020, 02:18:06 PM
Hi Andy,
Yes, I can see that, but, as mentioned above, I could see that immediately and fitted mine correctly right at the start by moving the whole deck over by [I think] 4mm towards the Starboard, once I had the bow central screw in place from which to pivot it. Then every thing 'fell into place' exactly - nothing like yours shows in the picture. However, after many months of doing nothing [and the little chat we had over this matter] I decided to just check everything and the symbiotic relationships against the plan dimensions. It would appear that all is OK except the hatch hinges - and they are easy to alter, especially as I will be fabricating mine in stainless steel and have them working, as on other models of mine. It's all good fun and keeps us out of mischief - eh?


As I have said before, your MbD Shannon is looking wonderful - your RNLI station crews must be impressed.


Cheers,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on February 13, 2020, 02:28:42 PM
Thank you  :-)


I'm struggling to motivate just now and keep shuffling stuff around my workshop hoping something will kick in  {-)



Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 13, 2020, 04:26:12 PM

Andy, I know the feeling [from the distant past] - what about having a go at the wiper arms and blades? I am hoping to use the Albion Alloys square aluminium or brass square sections that slide inside each other - it has got to be done sometime, but I am a long way off that, just a thought. There are a lot of photos in my DVD of photos [the odd one or two slightly out of focus - ugh - but usable] and alongside your plans you'll have the measurements. Then there is always the door to the wheelhouse to finish, that a nice little project in its own right. I shall be doing some of this one during the next few days to try out my new little 'apres Brexit' pressie to myself! Photos will follow later, but you have most likely spotted it already.
All of that said, you have certainly shown folk the way forward on many issues. By the way, I like your idea of the thick section stainless jig for drilling the railings; there's a pretty good chance I shall follow your lead on this one! As we say in Project Management training - 'don't re-invent the wheel'!!
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on February 13, 2020, 09:25:09 PM
My deck is ok as I have checked the middle before fixing it with screws. I had cut off the edge before following the line of the moulding and had to glue the missing filet later using some epoxy. But that was at the starboard side, Kim. I had to move the stern section of the deck into the portside direction by 2-3 mm in order to find the middle. Are you sure it was the other way round with yours? Anyway, better check things before you fix them....Or as 17-09 points out: do it nice or do it twice {-)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on February 13, 2020, 09:34:42 PM
I cannot recall if I might be responsible for any confusion Arno  {-)   but I agree the right side starboard as you look down from above did not have enough material. I cut nothing off that side and pushed my deck as far to port as possible but it was not enough.
As said for anyone starting IGNORE the indicated cutting lines on the deck moulding.




Brexit present Kim? would that be the sweet Proxxon milling table  {-)


P.S. thanks for the attempt at inspiring me  :}
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 15, 2020, 12:36:42 PM
I spent a short while out here in the workshop yesterday and after lunch will attempt to be out here all afternoon to fabricate the six deck plates for the rising handrail supports on the stern deck and transom area.


As can be seen on the photo, these are all marked as per the RNLI plans and also my own measurements off the actual vessel. The plates here are of a different size to those that run down both the Port and Starboard sides, however, I will decided on those measurements when I get to them, as at 1/12th scale the difference should be quite small and only noticeable to those of us that belong to the noble order of the RCWWS [The Rivet Counters' World Wide Society] - open to all that like to push matters to the limit, have nothing better [at the time] to do and also do not value their sanity! Of which I am one!! You will also notice from my photo that all is aligned and as per both the plans and that that has been discussed before. As I have said back at the beginning of this build, check before cutting and fitting - my small mantra is 'measure twice and cut once', like millions before me!


Yes, Andy was right and to answer a few folk, now that my back and right hip have got a lot worse in recent months I have decided to treat myself to the small Proxxon bench drill, plus the cross slide table [compound to some] and vice, adding the adjustable 'Jacob's' keyed chuck instead of the collets provided. This will enable me to work on all my fine deck and wheelhouse fittings on my 'Bridge worktop', shown here, and save me crawling under the 'Bridge' every time I want to make a small item on my larger Chester milling machine. I will attempt to mill the odd small items on this [not really to be encouraged - Proxxon do actually make one] as the metals and styrene will be of a soft type cut or thin in profile - only time will tell. I have added a sherry bottle stopper to the top belt cover, as raising the top unit by another 30mm to give more height under the chuck left a large hole - this looks neater.
You can see the very small vice I purchased at the Dortmund Intermodellbau last year attached in the last photo and also my small rotary machining table and a larger vice that should fit too [from off the larger version in the background of my photos]. Hopefully this will allow me hours of great pleasure! I got mine from Reichelt in Germany and they were far cheaper than anyone else at the time by a long way - all of this was a few pounds over 200 [including the postage], good value I thought. They all go along with my other nine Proxxon power tools.


Lunch calls.


Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 16, 2020, 01:34:55 AM
Yesterday afternoon's time in the workshop was enjoyable, but pedestrian. However, the fun was in making the first six [well, seven actually as one 'pinged' somewhere when I used the cutters to take the final 3mm off the bottom of a finished plate! - that's life and most of us will have had a similar experience in life at sometime.


So, using a piece of 12mm brass strip:
These can be seen, placed where I had marked their positions on the stern deck area. Later today I hope to mark each of them out and then drill for the central 1/8th inch rail hole and the three smaller holes that will be tapped to accept the hexagonal bolts.


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on February 16, 2020, 11:41:05 AM
I am glad you enjoy your German tools and machines in the aprs Brexit era, Kim {-) I did some carpet crawling today as well, small parts having pinged. But that is common with nearly every modeller I think - I still remember my father calling me to have a look if I might find some parts that had dropped from his workbench.
I have made the first three fuel intakes as you can see on the photos. The last one will be finished hopefully by next weekend and then they will be sprayed using some Alclad chrome colour. I have machined the hoses from aluminium on my lathe.
The profiles of the warping drum have been added for the capstan as well (17-09 gave me the inspiration when I saw his beautiful detailed deck fittings on his Severn class boat, I am sure he will read this!).
I have treated myself this small caliper with a digital readout. I always had difficulties using my larger one when measuring small parts on my lathe.
Sorry for interfering, but you invited me to do so Kim ok2
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 16, 2020, 04:16:02 PM
Hi Arno,
This is not interfering by any means, I did invite you to do so, as both a very good friend and also because we are building the same vessel from the same lifeboat station, which you have visited on a number of occasions. Which means we are 'twins' in a number of matters - except 'anno domini'!! ;)


Your lovely 'twin' grill plates for the water-jets ought to be shown here too, please.
These items are really neatly and accurately made and will detail your Shannon well. I am looking forward to what is next on the 'menu'.
The calipers [vernier] will stop the right hand end keep knocking on the back swarf guard! I hope they are German?
I shall be in contact with an email later tonight.


So pleased your scratch building is reaping rewards.


Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on February 16, 2020, 05:09:39 PM
Arno that capstan is magnificent and I think my fuel fillers and vents might need recycling  {:-{
Super work


Kim
I am looking at proxxon millers even though I may barely use one
I have the same drill stand and I use very frequently so rather than the add on table Im erring towards the stand alone machine that I can find for about 240
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on February 16, 2020, 05:40:48 PM
Thanks for your compliments! As requested the photos of my grilles. At first I did not want to post them as they add nothing new to this blog, being nothing more but a copy of Kim's work. At least they might encourage some builders to go the same route and maybe invest in a lathe and milling machine (Taranis?! :} ). Both had been on my wish list for a long time but I had not dared a start before. It was this blog and Kim who lifted me to a new level O0
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 16, 2020, 11:33:49 PM
This afternoon allowed me to use my small pillar drill to start doing those items at the 'Bridge', without having to constantly move onto a larger machine. The cross-slide also meant that the 'item' being worked on could just be wound forward or sideways to get it into the correct position to drill. This is going to be even more beneficial once I start making the small items with surround frames and lines of holes for hex bolts to be tapped into.


At least I now have a way to fabricate the other deck plates for the stanchions on both the Port and Starboard sides at a later date.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 16, 2020, 11:36:05 PM
......last few photos.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on February 17, 2020, 09:49:35 AM
Super Kim!
I hope you won't mind me saying but the margin between foot and fender looks far too big in proportion compared to photographs.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-J225DHQ/0/e8f5512d/4K/DSC_3079-4K.jpg)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 17, 2020, 03:57:31 PM
Andy,
Many thanks for spotting this 'difference' - you are correct, since I have now gone back and re-measured and each is out by 1.5mm - I know not why! Maybe my mantra should now be 'measure thrice and cut once'. What actually makes it more visible to your eye is that the gap you are seeing is in fact 3mm oversize! Yes, another 1.5mm. This comes from the fact that Andy G. made three versions of the soft cure resin side fenders.
The little adjustable set-square was given to me years ago by 17-21, along with some centre drills - I think at the Sandown Racecourse Show! This made the job that little more easy!


Again, my thanks for bringing this to my attention. All has now been corrected and as I was about to drill out the 1/8th holes for the handrails, when I looked at your email, I was grateful for the timely intervention. It could have been corrected later, but that would have been even more work than what I just did. I have also measured across the whole deck now and the centres of where the handrails should be now tally with the plans too. It has reminded me that I will have to check and cut back the underside of some fender overhangs though. That task is now on my 'jobs to do' list on the workshop plan.


Anyone noticing the small deck fixing screws in the way - no problem - they will be altered or take away once I have all the deck fittings and stanchions in place with their threaded ends, as per my other lifeboat decks.

I just hope my railings turn out half as good as yours and I will be pleased!


Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on February 17, 2020, 04:16:41 PM
Happy to save you filling holes  :-))


I'm sure your railings will shine like all your work


Having done these twice the best advice I can offer is to form these identical first.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6ZW9fSt/0/085df3e1/X3/B882470C-B8B1-4F5B-8D94-6206675A4C0D-X3.jpg)


Then clear the deck and turn them over to find the rest of your bends directly over your stanchion holes
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-h4cXjWc/0/a25cae70/X3/0DBB238B-C6C3-47E6-853B-4762609CB237-X3.jpg)


If then successful matching the final bends to the last stanchions the rest is easy just filling in
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rqLjtwR/0/3546a39c/X3/3549A2D0-BAB6-433B-836C-52EE41E0B1A8-X3.jpg)


I imagine most modellers completely overlook the extra kick in the rails here and below to both sides


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wCPwjLD/0/0af519af/X2/E675DF7B-5535-4610-9872-1121A3788C50-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 17, 2020, 05:46:26 PM
Andy,
Yes, thanks, I had looked at your build and unlike the ones I have done on my Trent class and my Arun class lifeboats where the rails follow the curve of the transom / stern deck camber [and there is not only a 'kick' where you point it out and that is quite clear on the RNLI plans], unlike these two, the Shannon also follows the 5 degree inclination down to the rear of the wheelhouse - so each upright rail also shows a 'kick' downwards for the top and middle rails on the plans. This is not the same on the Trent and Arun where the handrail is parallel to a flat deck. That should be fun!


By the way, I had a Damascus moment just now - like Saul of Tarsus - that small 1mm to 1.5mm 'error' I was out and could not realise why.......was I had made an allowance for the thickness of the heavy duty double sided tape used to keep the fenders on temporarily!! So, back to square one and I have repositioned the plates back. That added to the thin undercut accounted for the 3mm out to 'the eye'. Hey-ho.


Time for food, but thanks for the 'heads up'.


Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 19, 2020, 03:09:31 PM
My fifth day on the trot out in the workshop......hasn't been like that for over a year, wonderful!


The postman brought a number of 'modelling' parcels today and amongst them were my square brass tubing selections from Albion Alloys. Remember I suggested to Andy W. that the windscreen wipers with box section extrusions might make a good 'project', which he promptly cracked on with and produced a very neat first one and the many parts to further this, as mainly ten pieces are required to produce the five complete units.
I decided, whilst in the mood, to order my metals. These came and with a very small amount of 'fettling' the 1mm square rod [actually 0.98mm] soon went inside the 1.6mm tube. This will make a challenge for the end of arm pivots, but I am always up for a challenge! Like Andy I will use the three lowest configured sizes to get nearest to the actual scale size [rivet counter], instead of four sections in all [like the real vessel]. I then went to put them away in my 'Shannon' materials 'Really Useful' box, only to find that I had already bought them!! That must have been at least three years ago........and there were other sizes in there too. Oh well, as my wife sometimes says when either large or small items are purchased for the future.....'it's like money in the bank'.


Yesterday I drilled out the gob-eye reduction cones and main rod to 1/8th" to accept the 'start' of the handrails and also the 1/8th" holes in the deck for the stanchion plates and those on the gob-eye plates. Then came:
So, still a pedestrian pace, but now to stop this writing and attempt to make the mirror image piece for the Starboard side!


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 19, 2020, 05:43:21 PM
More of the same, this time the Starboard side.
Another step forward - hopefully more tomorrow, that's my plan, but you know what they say about them!!


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 21, 2020, 11:34:48 PM
A couple of short forays into the workshop have led me to consolidate work already done, make a couple of amendments and then move forward......very slowly.
I have, again, added a lot of detail on my methods here, as i know there are a number of builders who are using and following this build as they too make their first model boat [Shannon]. One of my friends says it reads more like a book [I think he uses it to send him off to sleep at night!!].


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on February 22, 2020, 10:03:58 AM
Looking great Kim.
I never measured the gobeye gap but I have noticed some finished models where a crewman is in danger of falling through  %%
I was prompted to measure mine by your post and I'm at 4.14mm so I'm near enough  :-)


Regarding the other bends in the rails as they work their way forwards. I never made any further bends but maintained the height off the deck with the stanchions which effectively does this anyway by forcing the rail to stay parallel to the deck camber.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 25, 2020, 11:24:45 PM
I have progressed with the Starboard top stern deck handrail. Do not be misguided by the close-up and wide angle shots, as these distort the upright supports. Suffice it to say that all has been measured off the actual RNLI plans, has been constantly looked at against numerous photographs of the same angles and with two very, very minor tweaks tomorrow - I am pleased.
The rail has been bent both in an 'Y' and 'X' axis to achieve what is in reality on the vessel. Not easy, but the time has been worth if [so far!]. This is all 'dry fitted' so far, except the one joint at the top when the gob-eye rail becomes the handrail. This I have 'tacked' in place with a dab of Bondic UV glue.
Just got the Port side to do now and then fill in the centre rail, which goes against the actual build of these rails - they have two in parallel, with supporting bars [rails] welded in place between the deck and centre and centre and top rail. Will it notice, I hope not.
Lastly, I added a 5 degree wedge under the set square to bring the angle of the deck to the 'right' position.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 01, 2020, 11:50:44 AM
I am still working on the stern handrails and trying to get the 'symbiosis' correct from all angles. I have taken over 2,500 photos of this lifeboat and am looking at every angle and the relationship of other fixtures and fittings both on the deck and the wheelhouse. This does not always agree to the plans in the way that they are drawn. The photos shown [with Natalie the Coxswain's daughter here on the stern deck at Ramsgate, when they first got the boat and needed to do some 'coming alongside' training - something they cannot do on the shingle beach at Dungeness] will show just what I mean, a little. The main areas are the upright rails with the upright lines on the wheelhouse [wheelhouse door, surround plate to the vent in the wheelhouse corridor. Then the cross [horizontal] rails with items such as wheelhouse roof, the steps to the upper steering position and the Port and Starboard upright stanchions. Also the deck furniture, like the stag-horn bollards which point outwards with the slope of the deck from side to side. There's a lot more than this, but it gives the gist of what I am trying to get right.
Then during the middle of this one piece of brass railing snapped!! And from a very reputable source [engineering supplier] who I have dealt with many, many times. That is where I am at at this moment - taking the snapped large portion and making the end square again, then re-bending a new end section down to the deck and silver soldering that back into place! It's all good fun [liar!] and adds to the model making experience. That said I have cut the 3mm [M3] threads on the end of each upright.
I hope this might help some folk. Done all of this on a number of other 1/12th lifeboats and not all of those went 'to plan' first time.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on March 01, 2020, 11:55:13 AM
I find that the plan has a limited contribution as things that are out of my control cannot be changed.
The fenders dictate the position of the cleats and the windows cannot be moved. These are all relative to other fittings so compromises have to be made as sympathetically as possible where they disagree which they most certainly do.


 %%
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 02, 2020, 12:00:38 AM
Spent a little while back in the workshop today, mainly to rectify the snapped section of the handrail. Using silver solder, for a very solid join, that worked well. You can see that I used a set-square and some engineers' parallels to hold the items steady and at the right angles - also some cut-off paper clips.
Then I wanted to:
Tomorrow I hope to firstly correct two minor angle 'tweaks' [one shows in the last photo] and then tidy the whole of this rail section up by cleaning off the excess solder. On this occasion I have not used silver solder as the whole assembly is quite intricate and I did not want to undo silver solder joints if angles were wrong!
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 03, 2020, 02:39:53 PM
Had an update from my younger German 'twin' yesterday, who is busy with work at the moment, and he has agreed that I can post his progress.
All in all some very neat scratch building! :-))


I'm back to my stern rails.................................


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 04, 2020, 12:11:01 AM
Time spent cleaning up the solder work today, before moving on. Just two more stanchion deck plates to be cleaned and then I will start on the mid-rails, before moving over to the Port side.


However, thought I might just give a few tips used here as I know there are quite a number of builders of this model watching here and on Andy Waters' build thread too.


Not wanting to catch [snag] a stanchion and break it off whilst cleaning up I  .......:
The masking tape across the back of the wheelhouse is just to 'pull it together' as it is still a dry fit and nothing properly glued. There is just a 1/16th of an inch of spring in the GRP flex. This then allows for the accurate cross reference of parts to each other.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 08, 2020, 04:42:22 PM
Yesterday I drove down to East Sussex to be the guest speaker to the monthly Club Meeting of the Eastbourne Model Power Boat Club. They requested my illustrated PowerPoint presentation of 'The Launch and Recovery of the Dungeness Shannon Class Lifeboat'. I know the Chairman - Dave Hedges - and a few other members from some model boat shows in the South. They have a membership of around forty members and twenty six were present. I have attached a photo, this was straight after the mid-point tea or coffee with cakes break. We had already looked at the SupaCat tractor and launch carriage and also the Shannon lifeboat itself in quite some detail. Here they are, all smiling, and awaiting the second part of the actual launch and recovery exercises between 13-02 and 13-01 on a training day [with RNLI staff on a February day in 2014], so the talk must be reasonably OK!! It was good to bring modelling aspects into the talk as we went along. They asked me to present a few awards, which was nice, and I noticed that one of the Cups was for 'Best Scratch Builder'!! Just my sort of man. All in all the afternoon raised another 55+ for the RNLI at Dungeness.


Back to my build. At the beginning of last week I was not happy with all that work I had done on the aft deck Starboard side railings - a 1.5mm difference at one point, a slight bend where I decided after must consideration there should not be one, and lastly the soft solder joints.........so I :
You can see my little diamond hand file, which I think I got [along with two other grades] from Arc Euro, but their site does not show them any more. I have since ordered a quantity of tools from a Jewellers' site and they have arrived............................


I profile the ends of rails to be soldered into the 'cod-mouth' shape as this gives a larger surface area and stronger joint, especially when using soft solder. A number of seriously good modellers, engineers and electricians have commented on this at Shows I attend and say that it is a working practice that has died out, but they are glad to see it still exists. Just makes a lot of sense to me.


Having got back to where I was I :
C.C.





Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 08, 2020, 04:46:18 PM
........final photos. Now for the Port side!!


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Delboy1958 on March 11, 2020, 07:47:37 AM
Hi Kim
Nice brass work

Del
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 15, 2020, 06:27:00 PM
..........thanks Del..........and here is the Port side, using the same methods as the Starboard side construction. Enjoyable, but glad this main structure is finished. The detail of fixtures and fittings [searchlight holder, life-ring holders, navigation light etc.,.] will come later. Ignore the masking tape, that was just there to hold the wheelhouse together so that all was 'upright' for the alignment and symbiosis checks.


Next is a workshop tidy up, then move all my military modelling figures [busts], equipment, tools, paints and spray guns to the 'self-isolation room', so I am prepared and ready - if I feel up to it!! Until that arises [ever the optimist!!] I will start to have some fun and make a few small detailed items for my Shannon.


To finish on a really encouraging note. Last week I went to the Eastbourne Model Power Boat Club for the RNLI. I reported that I had received 55+.........to my pleasant surprise, when I opened the collecting box there was actually 8 in coin and a 20 note!! That made a total of 78 in all......many thanks to all at the EMPBC. I also noted on their website that in 2018 they raise 700 for the local RNLI station [Tamar class], now that's my sort of Club, one that looks outward rather than inward!!


Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 15, 2020, 06:30:45 PM
.........c'est fini!!


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 21, 2020, 11:05:53 PM
Well, the best laid plans syndrome again..........................
You know when you have finished something and there is that little niggle that something is not quite right? Well that was the case with the Starboard side of the railings, one of the bends was out a little. So I cut and shut the top rail - with a smaller angle. At the same time I drilled [1mm] a hole in both rod ends and inserted a 1mm rod into the hole, which made for a stronger joint when I soldered it back together. Then the mid-rail was un-soldered and re-angled to a shallower bend and the whole area re-soldered. It was a reasonable success and is about 98% correct now. That took a little bit of time earlier in the week.


The last two days I decided to take out the gate insert and install one that seemed to have a wider cut at the back of the lettering - it's minute, but seeing as I had the idea for making these - I owed it to myself! This just requires the welds to be put back now. However, yesterday and today I have started to make the hinges for the gate. I decided to copy the method that Andy Waters used on his - it is very simple, but very effective and I do not know why it did not come into my mind, so thanks for sharing Andy. I have completed one [well, actually two, but whilst I was cleaning the unit up it 'pinged' out of my pliers and went in the direction of the lathe. I looked for ten minutes and could not find it, so decided to start again! Not doubt when the two are made and in place.......it will be found!!] and one third of the other.


Having said all of the above, the photos will show what I have done and where I have got to. When this is complete and working I will tidy the gate area up and re-prime with grey [what else!].


I am so pleased to be getting into the workshop and enjoy it - most of my other commitments have now ceased, due to the Covid 19 issue. When I lost the part and told my wife she just said, "well you have about a year to make another one, as at our age [73] we are not going anywhere soon!!".


Should have been singing in our Concert at the Cathedral tonight with the English Chamber Orchestra - Faure Requiem and the Schubert Mass - but it has been cancelled, along with June's Beethoven 'Missa Solemnis' with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. So much has changed and more will be, yet.


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 21, 2020, 11:08:24 PM
...........final few photos.
C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Macsmouldings on March 22, 2020, 06:37:01 PM
Evening Kim, Looks really good fella, keep up the good work and stay well, talk soon fella

Regards,

Martin.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 22, 2020, 11:15:28 PM
Thanks Martin, good to hear from you......will be in touch in the next couple of days.


So, this afternoon I made the second hinge and tidied up the first one. Tomorrow will have a look to see which bolts to use for the hinges and fix [temporary of course, as these will all need to come off at various stages and also a hand rail will need to be attached]. The first photo shows the second hinge in a 'dry fit' and then the progression. Used the Proxxon belt sander for this - bit OTT, however, one gets used to the balance problem after a while with such small items.....but it worked.


After this I might then make a few detailed smaller items for a change.


C.C.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Taranis on March 24, 2020, 12:29:28 PM
Nice job Kim
You likely noticed I used that grab rail as a means to fix it all in place without glue until after final painting.
I'm producing nothing of late due to shingles being quite a distraction.
I'm looking forwards to your smaller items  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-85hr675/0/9f8042e2/X4/B4878D16-7FF7-416E-87A7-A0F1BEDF1C4D-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 25, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
Thanks Andy, sorry to hear of your ailment and hope your are fully back to sound health and comfort very quickly.


Yes, like you, I had realised some time back that these pieces [with their very tight fit] will need special attention. Mine has a 1.2mm thread in both ends of the handrail and this will act like a captivated bolt, hence fitted from the other side to pull it into place. The holes just have to be drilled..........
......however, with the Covid 19 situation, the gardener I had just employed to do my 'small patches' has to remain at home. Thankfully he had given the front and back gardens a high and medium cut last week [first cut after the winter - ha, ha], so the biggest job done. I will now have to keep this going until matters return to 'normal'. I cut both yesterday [it's like summer down here] and attempted a little edging and pruning, but my hip and back gave up!! So, time for modelling very slightly reduced, just after I had started to make progress. That's life though. A few thoughts later tonight though.


Take care, Kim
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on April 19, 2020, 06:32:18 PM
I have built some rails during the last few weeks. The upright of the pulpit rail is a brass tube which contains the leads for the LED. I used 3mm LEDs which fit into the tube after some sanding. The rounded cap was sanded flat and then polished.
The gate is only a trial fit, the bottom hinge will be correct in the final fixing. The hinges are fixed using M1.2 hex bolts (same for the backside plate). I chose M1 bolts for the plate which accepts the locking pin. The bolts, washers and nuts were bought from Prime Miniatures (UK).

The rails at the roof were silver soldered. I chose soft soldering for the other parts and soldered them in situ. The gate is a mix of silver and soft soldering. The insert was glued in using epoxy glue. Should other Shannon builders be interested, Kim might supply some gate inserts. He has a few of them left which could be completed with the laser cut lettering from a German jeweller (might need some time  but we still keep the data files, so should be no problem).

Bending the brass rod was easier than I had expected it to be. I used my Robbe bending tool, a vice for the 90 degrees angles and  pliers for the areas where only a slight bend was needed.


Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on June 22, 2020, 04:52:50 PM
Kim kindly permitted me to post some photos of my radar scanner before he will get back on his Shannon build in about two weeks time.
I used the original Furuno plans provided on Kim's DVD, zoomed them to the appropriate size on my printer and cut them out as templates. I tranferred those to a box made from 4 mm styrene using a pencil. Sanding the item to the correct shape was not easy as the shape is quite complex and this took me several hours. The sides were cut from 0.5 mm styrene and fixed by cyano glue.
I wanted to get as little friction as possible and used ball bearings of 3 mm diameter (1 mm shaft) from Knupfer. Two of them were inserted into a brass tube, fixed by Loctite.
The motor is from sol-expert in Germany, it was a kit of its own with this tiny gearbox, great fun to assemble and to see it working in the end! Sol-expert provide a small ESC which allows to run the system at a maximum voltage of 18 Volts, adjusting the speed to about 26 rpm as per the original.
The bolts and the ground lead will be added later.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on June 22, 2020, 05:08:39 PM
Arno, that's a superb bit of building and mechanics. I'm so glad you have added this and it will 'close the gap' time wise until I get back to my Shannon build  :-)) .
As you know, and have seen, I am having a break and currently building, preparing and painting a couple of my 1/10th scale historical figures - a Teutonic knight and Boudicca - Queen of the Iceni tribe.


Kim [C.C.]



Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on July 19, 2020, 01:29:13 PM
As Kim is still having a break from his Shannon build, he encouraged me to post some photos of what I did in the meantime.
The stanchions were silver soldered. The eyelets will be fixed with soft solder later. I have turned the sockets from brass tube (inner diameter 3.5 mm) on my lathe and will fix them with glue onto the deck. The stanchions themselves have a very tight fit so that inserting a pin will hold them in place as per the original.
I have attached some photos of my mass production.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on July 19, 2020, 01:49:00 PM
I built the navigation lights from a clear 8mm Plexiglas rod (I think in the UK you call it Perspex). I fixed a piece of the rod in the chuck of my lathe and milled the hole using a 4 mm endmill in the tailstock. In order to achieve the rounded shape I used a hand file at very low revs. Then I used some sanding paper, beginning with a 240 grit followed by finer grits. You have to cut the piece from the rod also at very low revs otherwise it will kink. Then I polished the item with metal polish (toothpaste should do the job as well). I have also polished the inside so that it looks clear as glass again.

I will paint the lights using Tamiya clear red and green and black for the housing with a brush. Later red and green SMD leds will be used for illuminating.
The blue beacon light is from Pistenking in Germany. It has 12 SMD leds in blue which replicate the revolving effect very realistically. I have painted the cap using Tamiya clear blue with a brush.
We are not sure whether the orange light should be revolving or light in a flashing mode. Kim will check this after the pandemic at the Dungeness lifeboat station. Meanwhile we think it should have a flashing mode. I have used a Chinese light bought from e..y and modified this (sanded the housing down and milled the inside so that it will accept the electronics of 5 leds again) It can be programmed either in a revolving or a flashing mode so that can be adjusted later. I have painted it using Tamiya clear orange as this is more glossy than the bought item.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: swiftdoc on July 19, 2020, 01:53:57 PM
Finally, I have made a start on the Bosch camera using a 12 mm pearl which has been flattened on the sides and the front where the lens is situated. The shield was made from Tamiya 0.2 mm plasticard. I will have to replicate the wiper though probably using some styrene profiles. On the photo I have attached the different parts with masking tape only to show what it will look like later.
Title: Re: Shannon 'RNLB The Morrell' 13-02 [Models by Design] - a 1/12th build
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on July 20, 2020, 10:40:24 AM
Wow Arno!! Those stanchions and their 'deck feet' are superb and all the lighting is progressing so well too. Then the Bosch video camera. Who said scratch building was dead??
Thanks for keeping the interest here going.....just wished I could have visited Germany and seen you a few months back. C'est la vie! [as they say in France!].
I had a Zoom Meeting with my Military Modelling Group last Saturday and it was so good to be able to show them my small progress on the 'figures' and 1/48th jets side too. I will get back to the Shannon soonish, but with no Shows on the horizon and other matters, it gives me a chance to do something different..............
Keep it going though and thanks for the Post.
Kim